Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #120 - Fallscheer's Roundtable

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

Between the 3 brothers (Dustin, Dallas & Dalyn) they have played university football, won a Royal Bank Cup, played pro in Germany and have helped win 2 Allan Cups with the Lloydminster Border Kings. Enjoy our Shenanigans Let me know what you think     Text me! 587-217-8500

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The contact button, send me your information. We've got lots of different options. and I want to find something that can work for the both of us. Now, let's get on to your T-Barr-1, Tale of the Tape. The Three Brothers are all originally from Lloyd Minster, Alberta, Saskatchewan. Dustin would play quarterback for Queens University football for five years and helped win the 2001 Allen Cup with the Border Kings. Dallas would play for the hometown in Lloyd Minster Blazers,

along with the Kinders League Clippers, and then four years at University of Calgary. He would go on to play pro in Germany for four years and finally come home to be a part of the two. 2007 Allen Cup Championship. Dallin played for the hometown Blazers as well. In his final year, he'd be traded to the Camrose Codiacs who would end up winning the 2001 Royal Bank Cup.

He would also be a part of that 2007 Border King Allen Cup championship. I'm talking about Dustin, Dallas, and Dallin Falsher. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Vern Falsher from the Harley Bar with my three sons, Dustin, Dallas, and Dallon. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Okay, well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Tonight, I am joined by the Three Brothers, the Paulsher Brothers.

So thanks boys for hopping on, Dustin, Dallas, and Dallin. Thank you. The 3Ds. Thanks for having us. Awesome, man. Thanks for having us here. Absolutely. Well, let's do this first.

Everybody needs to get used to your voices. Hopefully they can decipher who you are. So let's go around the table. We'll start with the youngest. We'll make the youngest lead it off. What number you wore growing up and why? Nice and simple. Yeah.

just during minor hockey I wore 16 I was a big Brett Hall fan growing up so that was my number of choice and then it switched to 27 later when I got into junior so like the little heavy la rock no no it wasn't it was more of uh Shane Corson oh yeah Shane Corson yeah you betcha and I think you can get behind Shane Corson he's a good oggy player and Smanco I like Smanco growing up too so that was a part of it so for the people. people who can't see it, we're sitting in the Harley bar. This is a pretty fancy joint. We're going to get to that after we get through the numbers.

Dallas, what do you got from me? What number did you are? Oh, what did I have? I was all over the place. I had six, 77 one year. I don't know why that came about, but that was my first year at junior in Lloyd. You wore 77 as a Blazer? Yeah, yeah, just one year.

And that didn't really fit me too well. Did you guys harass them for that? Well, they only won 10 games that year, I think. I got to explain. He took enough of a beating already. Maybe, I think I was nine and kinderously just because I was traded their half for a year, six in college, and then. Oh, so you didn't have a number.

I didn't really have a number. 24 when I was at the Kings. So just all over the place. Why is that? Did none of you guys have like a fixed number where you're just like, yeah, like this number? To me, it didn't matter. Didn't matter. No, not a whole bunch.

Yeah. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit in high school. And I was working kind of 16 or 12, but then I ended up settling on number three. And I think that was just homage to the Patriarch, Lavernail. That was his broomball number back with the Capri and then slow pitch with the Red Express. Wow, we got to start there. Wait a second. He wore number three in the broomball league.

Oh, Brum Ball League. He's a Saskatchewan Brewing Ball Hall of Famer, him and Sandra. Yeah. Bullshit. You look on the clock over there, the old school clock and the hanging up. It's got a little plaque on it where they were inducted into the Saskatchewan Broomball Hall of Fame. Was it broomball hall of fame? I sound like I'm in awe.

Yeah. Did you guys grow up playing Broomball? No. Just grew up at the rink. Four nights. Four nights a week. Mom and dad were playing Broomball and we just ran around the rink and caused shit. kicked around, played some kind of soccer or hockey, crushed a pop can.

Dallas broke his arm there. Broken bones. Fell out of the scorekeepers. For the listeners, there was, Dustin was the oldest, or is the oldest, born in 76. Yeah. Then Dallas at 77. Then they waited a couple years and said, maybe we shouldn't do that again. And then 80?

He was supposed to be a girl. Yeah. Yeah. So then they had to stop. LeVerno even said at my wedding that I needed to thank Dallas because if he was a girl, I wouldn't be here today. Well, in sports, you know, I was saying before we started this, the three of you have played some decent hockey, some good hockey, some good football, athletes, and have the commonality with Lloyd and. the podcast is you've all won Alan Cups with the Border Kings. And so to have you guys on and talk a little bit about your collective journeys

and how you got there and winning some Allen Cups for Lloyd and maybe the route there, I thought we'd maybe dive into a little bit of that and have a few laughs along the way and see where it goes. But we've got to talk first about this bar. Like, was this here when you were kids? No. No, right when we were in high school, he started. It was inspired from the Calgary Flames Sea of Red, the run there in 05, I think it was,

when Jim Ferrence had his Harley Bar and they had the Harleys going when the Flames were on the run and Andrew Ference was playing. Yeah, yeah. And I think Dad kind of caught on to that idea shortly after and started this. Well, for the listeners they can see, I'll take a couple pictures. You can check it on on, let's call it Instagram or Facebook, Twitter, don't matter. but like it's a your typical garage just converted into a very very nice bar with two harleys sitting there that i'm assuming getting revved up every once in a while only past three in the morning usually

who's the family team who you guys watch are you oilers fans flames fans are we going to have fight fights around the table no i think we're i don't think mostly oilers just by location kind of thing it's not we're probably more redden fans there for a while like yeah yeah yeah followed Wade and Ottawa and then wherever he he traveled after and I don't know if we'd say we're huge followers of one team like to watch all sports you don't have a sport oh we all got we all got you you being the football player and you had NFL CFL oh I like a little bit of everything look at there's there's there four of us on a trip to Indianapolis for Downing Stag.

Four of us went to watch the Colts and spent a weekend there. Manning, yeah. Who did they play? Baltimore. Pumped him. We even got to see Jim Sorgi coming up, the backup. That's good. I think we set a record for how many plastic beer cups we brought home.

You brought the beer cups home? Well, they said souvenir on them. You paid extra for them, so we might as well. Can we start, before we go anywhere, I work with your uncle Larry, and you're telling, I was saying this before, once again before we started, everybody calls him the champ. Hey, champ, how's it going? I've never really thought about it, but can we tell the story on why he's the champ? Yeah, he was the, I can't remember what year it was. Must have been about 2000 to 2001.

He ended up, he come out of nowhere, come out of nowhere to be the, the Oilman's golf tournament champ. I think he was, he enjoyed his weekend, I think. He had got lots of sleep on Friday night. Was well rested for his round on Saturday and came out of nowhere and won it. Is the no shoes thing true? I might have made that up. Yeah, I'm not sure with that one.

I think it's a better story when he's like, he showed up Sunday, he had no shoes on. You could ask him, but I guarantee he doesn't remember. The reason we got to bring up Chap, because Chap walks into the Baker office pretty much every second day, and it's like 8 in the morning, and he's already listened to the podcast. And I'm like, came home like, like literally like two hours ago,

champ I got it but I'm overthinking it right but he's up having coffee at the crack of dawn yeah so hey shout out to you champ we know the story the legend of beggar vans golfing and bare feet well what was what was the falchre house like three brothers that close I mean three and four years I don't know what the Newman household was like but were you guys always at the pond, always at the outdoor rink? We always had something going. There was road hockey outside all winter long, even summers through summers were playing road hockey or we played ball.

We were growing up with all played ball. There's another one, Dustin, won a national championship with the Spurs. I think your brother was on that team as well. Your dad coached. But yeah, it was competitive. Lots of blood. Yeah, we had a. We'd do an annual trip where we'd stay with an uncle and auntie in Calgary,

and they'd still talk about how we invented the game of contact croquet. Things got heated. It didn't last long. Things got heated pretty quick. I think there's a whole in the basement wall. It's patched now, but you can see where it was where there was a good battle. My butt went through the wall. See, with us, we were always fighting, so you didn't ever want to be the single guy out.

It was always two-on-one. It didn't matter what. but they tried teaming up with someone and usually they had licking on the other one and sometimes it meant broken noses and breaking glasses over my head being introduced to Dallin's knee. Mom didn't like that one too much but that was that was kind of how things ended for us most most nights somebody won and somebody lost and somebody got hurt it was awesome every day was a game it didn't matter what it was there was a winner and loser and we were competitive as hell And you can see out back here, we dad paved the backyard.

So we had, the neighbors must have just hated us. We always had lights going on and music going and friends over. It would be a game of something, basketball. Why did you pave it? I got tired of us playing out front and on the street. I think it was probably after I threw the bat through the front window. We got just 20 minutes before. that he told us, no playing baseball on the front grass. Okay, okay. As soon as he left, we're out

there playing baseball on the front grass. And that's when he ran the shell station by home hardware there. And Dustin phoned him and told him the bat went through the front window and I swear I heard his truck start at that gas station and come screeching around every corner. I remember standing there like, oh, you're dead, Dustin, you're dead. As soon as he pulled up, it was like, everyone's getting it. Just run. Oh, man. You caused a lot of gray hairs on the old man, is what you're saying? Yeah, I think we put him and mum through, put him and mum through enough.

It was constant. It was, we had a lot of fun. You know, so you grew up then playing fastball, hockey, and at some point you dabble in football because, I mean, you end up there. Yeah. You win the championship with the spur. That was a cool little run. You guys had, I don't know, well, think of the athletes on that team in my places.

There's some talent there, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And some great, like, coaches, like, structure at the top. Yeah. Yeah. And for a small town, you know, like Lash for all places, to go up against the best in all of Canada and then just stroll out.

Hey, there we are. Yeah. Yeah. That was some awesome times. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. Well, you were hanging around and watching there with your brother. Jason and your dad. What year was that? We won we won Westerns. We won Western Canadians in 92 when we're in Bantam and then we won midget Nationals in 93. So I was seven years old.

Seven years old. Yeah. I remember going on those ball games and like those still might be one of the nicest uniform. I don't see that uniform in here. I still got the jacket at home. The whites, the old whites. The whites. The white's with the team. Yeah, mom used to curse all the grass stains. Sandra still got a spurs sweater. Yeah, she's got a cuspier. She's got a cusp. Then then the old stirrups.

I don't know who the hell invented those. The blue stirrups. They were sharp uniforms. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we were trendsetters. Why then do you gravitate towards football? I don't know. It was just something I enjoyed.

Did you start playing? I didn't start until grade nine. I started in grade nine and just just at high school. We played six men, six men football. It was just something that came natural to me. And what high school did you go to? I was at Holy Rosary here. You're at Holy.

Yeah. All three you went to Holy. You got you. Yeah, I knew I was surrounded by Holy Rose. I can feel it. So you just pick it up in grade nine? Pick it up. Well, we didn't have phantom or peevee or anything like that back then.

So we started. It is different now, isn't it? Yeah. With younger ages getting. You can start in grade four or five and play a lot. So yeah, it was different back then. You were mentioning earlier that you've been now coaching for 20 years, a couple of years? 20 years at the high school.

Have you noticed the talent level then increase with the amount of kids playing it early on? Definitely. I admit this to people now. Like kids nowadays would kick our ass all over. There's kids that are good. And I same with hockey too, watching kids now, like how skilled kids are and how, and just everything, the athleticism. I don't think they're as tough as we were, but skill-wise.

I would agree with that. Yeah, skill-wise, I think they're, yeah. It might beat us in one game, but in a series we'd get them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dustin was saying that his offensive playbook that he runs now in high school is more complex than what he was running when he played college. Was it not? Yeah, yeah. Like that's how far football's come in Canada's days. Just by people starting earlier.

I remember Murray McDonnell talking about rugby that way. Yeah. That they started in Lashburn, another Lashburn story, but they started their kids young in rugby. And by the time they got to high school, they had like five, six years of rugby. So then they could, you know, they could walk in and understand the program and just do things. And that's why they started beating all the big centers was because the big centers only had three or four years of rugby. And Lashburn had eight years. you were already running by the time you hit grade 9, 10, 11.

Makes sense. Oh, look at hockey now, too, with kids. Like, you look at, like, a midget game now, or junior game. Like, those kids are fast and good. Junior's fast. Yeah. It's just to prove that much. But look at how we used to practice, too, right?

If you go out there, you do horseshoe for a little bit, maybe some one-on-ones, two-on-ones, dump it in, and then now that's scrimmage. Yeah. Look at now. Look at now. And I guess I'm six years after. Now, so I would argue a little bit on that because I think that goes to the different coaches, right? Like, I think coaching's improved too.

True. But there's the guy with the mentality that's what he does in a practice and whatever. And then there's other coaches, because by the time I went over to Finland, like, I was amazed at what they did over there. I don't know, Dallas, you went Germany. Did you see such a giant difference in, or not so. much I don't know if I seen that a big difference it was different in the way they trained but skill-wise and competitiveness it wasn't whole it wasn't significantly different than what we're used to in junior over here but I guess that one's for me

but just it was a new trick by the way he's opening opening the coronal with his wedding room I like that Yeah, I would say the, they trained a lot different when I was over there and a lot more, like two a days. Skating or dry land like workout? Twice, twice a week, we'd go two a days skating and then a dry land or a workout as well sometimes in theirs. So it was. That's why you got the rock hard abs on the December calendar. I'll have to also take a picture of that so people can know what the hell I'm talking about.

Thanks. It could be worse It could be like big old beer belly That's right Do you want it before and after Going back to the football thing then So you hop into football And it was like immediate attraction

Like wow this is fun Yeah Yeah I enjoyed it A lot of fun We had Did you Your first year Quarterback right away

Quarterback picked up the ball And just throw it And boom It was Yeah it just became Like I said, it was something I enjoyed, something that came easy to me. And so I stuck with it. Did you quit quit hockey at that time?

You played out your hockey? Well, I played midget. Well, I, what did they do? I finished my last year, I blew my knee out, playing football in high school. Bad hit? Yeah, I just had a guy roll up on it. And then, so I didn't play hockey that year. And then...

Your coaches hated you. Yeah. Right? Yeah. How many hockey? players know the football player that's kind of like split entirely man just just get in the hockey multi sport man multi sport but yeah then i uh back in that time i sent it was all vhs tapes you know sending those around game film and you sent vhs tapes man of your football yeah yeah like

six man football six man sitting there making uh two vcrs making making making highlight tapes and sent them around and then the the coach of Queens at the time had been through and and they had a spot and I really I didn't know anything about the school and ended up moving out there and went to school and it was the best decision I ever made. Before we get to the best decision, can we talk about VHS tapes for a little bit? Some kids are listening to that going what? Yeah. No idea. So you just package them up in the mail and send them up? Mail them out. Yeah. It's like a demo tape. Yeah. I was I was six man A ton of running?

Yeah. It's different than it is now. But yeah, it was, no, it was fun. It was good. You had to be quick and think fast. You also made that Sask first team, I believe. Yeah, then like in high school, I was, you know, I played in the high school all-star game at the end of the season,

my grade 12 year. Yeah, it was, yeah, I went out, the second, I only had played my second game of 12 men football was I, I started against Concordia University, who was the, they were the number of four-ranked team in the, country in the university and we ended up beating about 147 or something like that yeah two defensive scores and one pick six do you like do you like the NFL game or the CFO game they're both I like I like the CFL game I like the CFL game I like the CFL game I think

better, better game. Don't get me wrong, the athletes in the NFL are better. Top-notch. Yeah, but as far as the rules, I like the CFL game better. I think it's a more fun, fun game. Why? A bigger, well, I'm an offensive guy, right? So it's bigger field, more offense, more throwing the ball around, you know, the unlimited motion.

And yet, you don't have, and yet you don't have the scores of like, I don't know, 49, 34. Yeah, that's only changed in the last, like, 10 years or so, right? Like the NFL used to be really boring to watch. Yeah, they used to have some boring scores. Yeah. The only thing I like better about the CFL is their overtime, though. That's the only thing I have a beef with the NFL on. Which is?

Well, they change it a bit now where you can, if you kick a field goal, the other team gets the ball. It gets an opportunity to score. But I like the shootout style the CFL does, where you line up at the 35, and you get a turn, and they get a turn. It's like the college game as well. Yeah. How sad were you to see then the CFL not run this year?

Yeah, I was disappointed. I enjoy that. Friday night football on TSN. It's, uh, yeah, I don't know. It's one of those sports where you can just turn it on. It doesn't matter who's playing. You'll sit there and sit there and watch it. College game, CFL game.

NFL, like we got on here right now. I know. I'm laughing. I got all three, but somehow I arrive late, folks. Get my back to the screen, and so you could just see them all glancing at the football game. Well, it's a commercial. It's a crappy hockey commercial. Who's winning the game anyways?

49ers and Eagles. They're on. I'm not even sure what the score is. I haven't been paying attention. Sorry, Sean. It's commercial. Why? You play four years of Queens?

I was there for five years. I didn't dress it all my first year. Red shirted and then. Practice squad? Practice squad, yeah. You said it was the best decision on your life. Why so? Shit, I had a lot of fun.

I made lifelong friends out there. I actually got my engineering degree. Moved away for a little bit, experienced something different. Living in Ontario, met some great people. Met my wife out there. You know, she moved back after. Brought her back to the bustling Madropolis and Lloydminster. It took some, I must be the best salesman in the world to be able to pull that off.

Where's she from originally? Sue St. Marie, Ontario. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right on Lake Superior. Yeah. So, yeah. No, it was a great time.

Beautiful city. Beautiful, beautiful campus. Great school. Yeah, like I said, a lot of fun. Why is it then the two younger brothers don't pick up football? Or did you? You know what? Back in the day, you'd usually get introduced to football in grade 9.

You'd go to spring camp, and I went out to one spring camp practice. and it was only one I went out to because Dustin being the quarterback, I was playing cornerback, and he decides to go for a quarterback sneak, and there I am standing by myself, and I get a stiff arm to the neck, stress to the face, snap my neck, fall down, and I just hit the ground, and I figured, I don't need this. Never put the helmet on again. I tried. He was a volleyball guy.

Had to bring that out. I was small. And I didn't like it one bit. Tried it once. Stuck to volleyball and hockey, I guess. Volleyball champ. Without about that, too. Yeah. With Holy Rosary, yeah.

Provincial champ. You kind of are built like a volleyball player, aren't you? But I can't jump. You can't jump. You can't jump. I just, I just set. What position do you put? I was a setter.

You were a setter. Yeah. What else? What else would I do? I was maybe five foot seven and couldn't jump. But toss the ball up in here. That's about it. Your parents always push you guys to be in sports, I assume?

They didn't push us one bit. Not one bit. Not one bit. Nope. They drove us to everything. Couldn't keep us away. Yeah. Yep.

They encouraged us to play. But yeah, if we didn't want to play, they never made us go one bit. Yeah. I played high school football until grade 11. And then I got on with the Blazers. I remember I had the conversation with Thibito too about, you know, you think it would be all right if I still played high school football and played here. And he said absolutely not.

I think so that was the end of my high school career. Even Bob Anderchuk had a deal worked out where, you know, play games and practices. We won't worry about so much. but no, Tibido wouldn't go for it. You got a year under Mr. Tibado, did you? Yeah, two, two years under Gord. Well, are you a guy who raves about Gord? I enjoyed Gord.

I really did. And it's, yeah, it's awkward because I don't know how things went between him and Dallas in the end. And it was funny, even that year, like Dallas got traded, and then I got called up and played a couple playoff games with him. So it was interesting. but yeah, no, I really enjoyed Gordon. Me and Gord had a bit of unusual parting.

Maybe you might want to say I quit on them. I had them for two and a half years. My 20-year-old year-year-old year, we got back from a long bus road, Calgary. This is playing for the Blazers. Yeah, and I've endured two and a half years of losing with the Lloyd Minster Blazers at the time. And we get back, and I was the first,

one out of the dressing room. I'm walking out and he's coming in. He's like, get back in there, tell the guys to get their gear on. He got 10 minutes. I shrug my shoulders, go back in and we're on the ice. I'm getting bag skated and we're doing the red line, blue line sprints, and Gord standing by the, by the entryway into the off the ice. And Blair Faulkner was standing beside and back of goalie. And I said to him, if we're on here at, I can't remember what time it was. If we're still doing this at 20 to 1, I'm out of here. And he looks at me and he says, yeah, so am I. Well, the clock turned 1.40, or 1240, whatever the hell it was. Boom.

I skated off right by Gordon. I said, I'm done. Skated off the ice. And I swear to God, I was in and out of that dressing. I was fast as I could shit in my pants. Left next day, calls me in the office. And he wasn't even mad, which was, which was, I don't know, he probably knew I wanted out at that point. Because about a week before that, he had asked me if I wanted, I was interested in it, kinderously.

and I probably that probably gave me the guts to do that on him to skate off knowing that I probably could go to kindercy and yeah sure enough the next day he traded me but nothing against Gord I love Gord as well I got I learned lots from him I'm at him for two years but it was just at a breaking point where losing and losing and losing and I just couldn't handle it probably didn't handle it the best way but getting ex-kated 1240 in the morning

that suck that wasn't the first time like it was Yeah, we didn't have good teams. Well, it was going to happen. And even the score, didn't you break Gord's ribs? Hit them in a minute. Get them in a skirm. No, I rubbed him a little extra, but I don't know if they broke his ribs. That was more of a Moulson Cup in the old.

That's good. Can you imagine getting skated these days at 1240 in the morning? I think that I'd go over? You've all coached. It would not go over. Yeah. You know what? I helped with the junior bees last year in Cold Lake, and there was many of bus roads we came, bus trips we came home and I thought about it. But I wouldn't want to know what the consequences were doing it would be.

Well, you wouldn't be coaching the next week. No. It'd be fun, no, probably. You'd probably enjoy yourself. So, you know, there's been a, growing up, even now, the bobcats, the Blazers, we're all. always harped on that they didn't take enough local talent. And yet, staring at two guys who played a good chunk of their career for the Blazers, hometown.

Do you ever think of going anywhere else, or was it always the Blazers? I never had any other options. Like, I was never recruited to go anywhere when I finished up Midget. I had a couple letters to show up to some other, to go to some other camps, but not having anything concrete, it was the natural choice to just try out here. So try it out here and stuck around for the, for the two and a half years I did and that was good. I went to a few, I went to Grand Prairie camp.

I remember before I got told Gord, I'm going to go to this and he said, yeah, just go ahead, just don't sign anything. Make sure you don't sign anything kind of thing. So it kind of made me feel more comfortable coming back knowing that, you know, I'd played a few games midgett year before, so it was new year where you were going to land. But that was other than that, yeah, I did that. and I went to Wheat King's Camp.

The one year, or Regina, Pat's and the Wheat King's Camp in one year. But other than that, it was Lloyd. You two take any satisfaction knowing you beat up on your younger brother a lot so that he could be what he became? No, that didn't happen a whole bunch. I say it all the time. I'm the younger big brother. Yeah.

He was younger, not littler. He was never littler. It's not fun living. in fear your younger brother. Dallas touched on it earlier. And that day my knee met his nose. That was the day everything changed around here. How old were you with that?

I think I was in grade nine because the glasses I had were like three days old. Mum, she'd give a shit for that one boy. She didn't all like it one bit. And he made you to the head. Oh, yeah. Grab me right by the back of the head and smash. That's a lot of years of pantes. of aggression let out in one knee.

What was it like getting traded out of your hometown going to Kinerously? Canterously is a cool little spot. It was. It was like a new beginning because they had a good team there. Like I say, the circumstances around me getting traded weren't ideal. Kind of one of my, probably one of my biggest regrets. But to go try something new, it was kind of scary. at first, not being away from your hometown at all,

but landed with some great billets and they ended up having a great final season or I guess as a 20-year-old in Kindersey. I think we lost out in the North Final in Saskatchewan, so no complaints. In the North Final, what was the fan support like in Kinnersley? Shit, I thought it would have been like, oh. No, it was decent.

But that was the year. They built that brand new race. rink on the one side but the seating was all the year before they built the rink and the seating was bad so we ended up having to go back into the old barn um but so they had the big ends on the arena there so it didn't didn't look nearly as full as what you'd hoped it hoped it'd have been but um no it was it was pretty good it was fun time shit i thought that was like oh it was amazing right like you're the north final of the s j yeah and cares that i just assume it would be i was maybe i'm down playing a little bit but it was uh

It was good. Sorry, Kenders. Right? Yeah, no kidding. Why UFC? You know what? That's another one. And for the listeners, he spent four years playing for UFC.

Yeah. It was another scenario where I didn't have nowhere to go. I sent. I'm curious, two junior A guys, didn't go NCAA, didn't anything to the south? I mean, that's such a huge thing these days. Yeah. I had a couple letters. And that was about it.

Nothing. A couple letters from down south? Yeah. Never follow up on them? Followed up and never went nowhere. You wrote your SATs and everything, didn't you? Yeah, I was ready to go, but like I say, got a couple letters, replied back, and that was

kind of the end of it. No interest beyond that. Didn't send off any VHS takes? But, poor, hindsight wasn't good enough, I don't think. Like, I come out of junior and I really had no. to go. I applied to go to U of S, U of A, and UFC, and the first application I got back, or the first acceptance I got back was UFC, so I just called up the hockey coach. And at the time, he's like, yeah, I think I seen to play. Why don't you come out? So you're a walk-on try-out? Yeah,

walk-on, try-out, made the team. Had some really good years there. Probably that was, I was a bad hockey player until I got there, but some of the best coaching I've ever had. What do you mean you're a bad hockey player. I didn't understand the game well enough. So you didn't read the play? Is that what you're saying? Like when I say there was nothing coming from anything down south, it's because I wasn't good enough. Just yeah, reading the play, little things like gap control and just didn't understand the game well enough. But you get to, you get to the college, UFC and you get some good coaching and you improve pretty fast because you practice a lot, right? And you've been there every day. And yeah, that kind of took off from there.

slid in and made the team. So what takes you to Germany then? You know, and once again for the listeners who don't, you end up going to Germany for, what was it, four, five? Four years. Four years? Yeah.

So that kind of progressed through the, for a guy who says, oh, I wasn't that good of a hockey player. And I know, in fairness, you could go play Division 4 in Europe right now, anyone from Canada if you're willing to just go pay and play. Like you could,

But you play Division 2 in Germany, correct? I had options to go to the top league, but at the time, how it happened was over four years. So then I'll just put this in there. Yep. That doesn't happen to shitty hockey players. Here's the caveat. I had a German passport.

So you know. So you know, now I'm not competing against guys with NHL or HL experience. Wait, what? How do you get a German passport? Your family? My grandfather is German. Okay. So that's how the whole thing through UFC kind of came about was I had guys that I played with the UFC had graduated and they went over there.

The one guy he finished up and he became an agent. So when I finished playing junior, sorry, UFC, over the course of the four years I'd applied for my German passport and got it. He says, I'll find a team in no time. And yeah, before I even finished up that year of school, I already had a place to play in it the following year. I played with it when I went over to Finland. and there was a guy named Peter Vason and Vison, whatever his name is, Canadian, but he had his finished passport, and he wasn't counted as an import. So, I mean, all of a sudden becomes lucrative across the entire league.

Yeah, yeah. No, it certainly opens up a lot of doors. Like I say, I had an option to go at that one point. It was my first year there. I could have went to play DEL or I could have been played second league. The agent had at the time, he said, you can go to the DEL and be a seventh, sixth or seventh defenseman, make the same amount of money. You're not playing a whole bunch.

go to the second league. Play a ton. Same money, three, four, five in the, on the defensive depth chart and have some fun. So he said, go there, do that make a name for yourself. No brainer. Yeah. And that's kind of where I stuck. It wasn't good enough playing the DEL, but that second league was kind of the right fit for me

and had four good years there. What did you like about playing in Germany? What was, you come from playing in North America? hockey, North American ranks, North American fans, everything, North American practices, everything. And then you hop over there, and it's a little bit of a culture shock, I assume, was for me. What was some things you enjoyed about being overseas? The lifestyle was one, it was great. Like I said, maybe you practice a couple times a day, but the rest of the time was free to do what you wanted to. There was no responsibility.

So just the lifestyle of being there and still playing hockey at a good, at a good competitive level was probably the best thing I liked. I enjoyed about it. I see head shaking. Is something happening in the game? Tripsack, bumble. But yeah, like, when I, I experienced every emotion. When I, the first day I got over there, I was terrified because none of my bags showed up.

I got into a vehicle with a 75-year-old trainer. His name was Magic. ripping down the auto bond smoking a dart at about 180k and I'm hanging on wondering am I going to make it to where I need to go to so yeah you're a little scared to my last day there we won the we won the championship so um I had every emotion in between that for the four years I was there what was winning the championship like that was unbelievable um mom and dad came over for the playoffs that last year and uh they were around for the first two series. Mom was around for the first series and

half. Dad stuck around. Well then we get to the finals and dad's like, I'm not going home. Mom already took off. So in the finals there, it's best to five. You play one game home away, home away. Well, we were a five seed playing the one seed. So we had to go up there for game one. My dad jumps on the fan bus, nine hour bus trip and they're smoking and drinking on the bus the whole way up there. He gets he goes up. We win the game so you can imagine he's full by telling me get back um game two is back at home we win again so we're game three we're going back up there and dad jumps on the fan bus again well we lose it's best of five we lose i come out after the game and he's standing by our bus dallas thing i can come on your bus

with you well i can ask i what's going on i just can't take it i can't i can't do it anymore so he he ended up riding home on on the bus with us nine hours game four four, we're up two to one. It's at home. And I'm thinking, we got to wrap this up because my dad said, I'm going home after game four. Win or lose. He's been there the whole playoffs because he's not going back up to Bramerhoff and again for game five. We lose again. Next day, I get him on a plane. He goes home. Well, then we drive up there for game five and win it all. I scored the game winning goal. So unfortunately, he missed out on probably my biggest hockey moment of my career.

But it was awesome. it was a I don't know it was fantastic well winning you guys have wanted some very high levels because the Allen Cup in my books

is close to the Stanley Cup we all know it isn't the Stanley Cup but it's close it's damn close so winning is special there's something about winning that just cements it in time for you and it don't matter if it happens in a German League doesn't matter one level no

No. Winning is, there's something just magical about it. There's a lot of people that go through their entire careers. Entire careers and don't, regardless of what level they're playing, I'd never have a chance to win or never do anything. And then back then we didn't know, like we'd know what you're playing. And then with the time change, there was no live streaming or, you know, he couldn't call.

You couldn't even call us. No one had cell phone. So it was he'd get up in the morning and refresh the internet a couple times and try to find a score. First you'd have to dial on to the internet. And Dustin being the VHS king, I had no English TV. So he would record shows for me and send me over a box of 24 VHSs. And I'd go through those in about two days. I'd just turn on our TV and hit record.

I had everything on there. Didn't matter. We watched it. Mail them, yeah, cases of VHS tapes to watch. The maddest Dallas ever got at me. After all, we were talking about the fighting and stuff. as I went over his last year. And so I was standing at his house,

and I got up, of course, to get there first night, and I got jet lags. So three in the morning, I'm walking around his kitchen, trying not to wake anyone up, and there's a package of Reese's pieces, peanut butter cups sitting on the table.

I was hungry, so I ate them. Mom had mailed them over to him, and he was saving him, I guess, for a special occasion, because he couldn't get there. So he woke up in the morning, and he was pissed off that I'd eaten all these pieces.

Buttercups. That craft dinner and ranch dressing. They had to send me that every couple weeks. Ranch dressing? Yeah. I don't know why, but I had to have it. Put it on and everything. Before we get off Germany, did the fans impress you?

Oh. They impressed you. They're impressive. They also at times could piss you off. Pretty bad too. My second year over there, Krimachau, it was an eastern German town. We weren't a good team. Well, we had fans blocking our bus one day, one game after it, laying in front.

They had to come on and pour their hearts those to us, how we're not playing hard enough for them. Like, they came on our bus. Wait, but it's German, right? Oh, yeah, I didn't understand too much. So how does it even bother you? Well, the poor guy was crying. Come on. Someone ate his Reese's pieces.

So yeah, but then you're stuck there. You got a long bus ride home, and these fans won't let you get out of the parking lot. But then on the other hand, they could be phenomenal, the support you get when you do win. Like, you're a rock star in their mind. But this old East Germantown, there was probably a handful of games throughout the year

where the stadium we played, it was all standing room, and it was concrete blocks, but it was packed with sand, what they stood on, the gravel, and probably about half a dozen games that year at home got delayed because fans would pick up the sand, chuck it on the ice, because the refs were making bad calls,

which was normal over there, and we just shut down the entire game until they could clean the ice up. So they were passionate, very passionate. I enjoyed them, but there was times where they could be a little too much. much. I've seen a ref get hit with one of those shop bottles, like a little one ounce glass. Yeah, fans didn't like that ref too much. And they were

checking nose at him. I seen a cell phone got thrown on the ice of all things. All right, we're back. Not that anybody knew we left, but now that there's been a pick six and Sunday night football looks like it's completely over unless we start yelling and hooting here, let's move on to Dallant. Here you're a guy who, place for the Blazers for a few years.

Yeah, you betcha. And once again, I go back to the earliest question. You mentioned trying out for going to Brandon Wheat King's camp. Yep. So were you drafted in the... Nope, nope, never was drafted, just got letters and me and mom headed out and made it few, like didn't make the camp, made it through that and got into the main camp. It was mostly scrimmaging, but then once we got into a few practices, I think that

kind of exposed me and that was the end of my WHL career right there. Yeah. All of a sudden they realize this guy isn't so, his feet aren't so quick. So, yeah, that was good though. It was a fun experience. Yeah, yeah, it was good. So then it was a no-brainer to come back, play Lloyd essentially?

Yeah, yeah. I'd played a few games like they'd called me up from Midget and I'd played a few games. And like I'd said earlier, I really enjoyed Gord. so yeah, it was a no-brainer come and try out here and made the squad so it was, and, you know,

we had a lot of local guys that we were talking about that earlier, but we had, like, between, like, there was, like, Chris Weeb and Warner's played, denim was on the team, like, there was a lot of, and probably a few others that I can't think of, but, like, there was a lot of local guys back when I played.

And we had good teams. Like, we, we were in the North Final the one year, so it was good. I enjoyed my time in Lloyd. And then Gordi decided to pack up and leave. He went to St. Albert, my 20-year-old year. That sucked?

It did. He was a really good coach. I really enjoyed Gord. You always knew where you stood with Gord, so it was... He was the old school. Yeah. Yeah, and I needed that, though. I needed to know, right?

Like, if I did something wrong, just tell me, because I'll correct it that way. Yeah. So then we ended up with Danny Hager. and Wade Gartner and Wade Fennon coaching the next year. And they were good. It was, we had a lot of fun. We had a good team.

And it was just one of those. I wasn't even looking for a trade. And they just come to me near the deadline, said like you're 20. Do you want to go somewhere else? And I had to, I think we went up to Bonneville that night and lost and were riding a bus home and they come and ask me that. I had no intentions of asking. And just, I don't know what it was, just in a bad mood from that.

And the fact that they asked, so I said, yep, yep. I said, I'll go to Camrose or St. Albert were my two options. So the next night the phone was ringing like crazy. I'm only going to cameras. Oh, yeah. You got to tell them the story about you getting suspended that year. Oh, yeah. That was the year before.

Or the earlier the year with the... In Calgary? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were playing Calgary Canucks in the Max Bell and it was a, it was just atrocious reffing, like bad. I already been kicked out of the game.

I think there's 10 seconds left in the game, and I already should have been kicked out of the game, but I went and lined up on defense, and I told Weeb, I said, whatever you do, just win this draw back to me. He's a yeah, yeah, yeah. He wins it back to me, and I turn, and I wind up for a slap shot,

pointed right at the ref, and he just started skating as fast as you can down the boards. And I was, I, yeah, I'm doing. doing it. I let her fly and hit the glass right behind them. And then, yeah, got a call from the league commissioner. It was pretty good. It's kind of fun. I still got the letter somewhere. It was a neat little thing. It's funny when I had weebon. He didn't mention that. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah, so I don't, and then getting traded, it was different. I know, and they had a few. Well, you went to Cameros and Cameras, I always talk about this when I was, uh,

in my playing days and through my high school days Camrose was the team like they were perennial powerhouse kind of the same way Brooks is now yeah yeah no they were that was well it was only their fourth year in the league when I'd went there and right away it was just one of those things

where you show up like I knew James Willis was there so he grabbed me right away and we moved in with our I moved in with him and Gordon Yvonne Meyerhog and I felt right at home good people and just the team was just one of those situations they talk about

where you just, everyone, you just feel right at home right when you walk in the door kind of thing. I'm always curious though you go from the Blazers and there's, you know, you talk about making the North Final, that kind of thing. But going from that, Lloyd's organization to Camrose's, what was the

big difference? Was there a big difference? It wasn't a huge difference at the time. Like I go now and go back and see their new rink in their dressing room they have now and they're watching film and doing different things. But at the time it wasn't a huge, huge difference. They were still making ends meet, I think, at the time kind of thing. So you talked to James and he says like year one, they didn't even have a dressing room.

they were putting their equipment in a storage room across the hall kind of thing. So it was just kind of a fresh new dressing room and still in the old rank, but just great community though, like really good fans. That way, like they were, it was a really good hockey community in cameras. Who did you guys meet that here in the finals? We played Flin Flon in the final, the host team. No, I'm sorry. I mean, AJ.

Oh, AJ? Who the heck did we play? I think it was Drayton Valley. played Greaton Valley in the final and it was funny like one of those things were game one we get a penalty shot

tie game we get a penalty shot with 25 seconds left and Doug Ockinberg goes in Who is the rep who gives a penalty shot? It is. It goes in takes a shot, hits the post puck bounces out, hits the goalie in the back and then goes in.

Goalie or the ref no goal. Our bench is losing it. We go to overtime and lose and then it's under dispute. We were kind of a, it was a big, like they didn't really reward a winner for game one until we got up two nothing on them after that. Like they had no decision on it. So once we got up two nothing, like won the next two games, they said, okay, Drayton gets the win kind of thing. So now the series is two to one. It was, it was different. Something wouldn't happen nowadays, but there's a different little scenario there. That's a goal, isn't it?

in most leagues the post lag internet goal yeah should have been yeah but and then at the time we had old john short was calling the games

in cameras and someone had approached him what they figured should happen and he said i i think they should count the goal and put 25 seconds on the start of the next game but they never went with that so it was different what did you end up winning that series four one oh yeah it didn't mean

matter in the end. It was just an extra game. You got to play in the Doyle. You get to go to Victoria. Yeah, which is great. We got to fly out and then hit the ferry and head over, and it was a good old barn they had there. The salsa.

Yeah, Victoria salsa. Maybe, can we all agree, maybe one of the worst named teams? I mean, you know what? I should say that they probably have a good backstory of why they called the salsa, I assume. Yeah, I still think the worst named team is, it's on the Allen Cuff that, you can't remember what town it was, but it was the Mots Climados. The Mots Clamados?

Bullshit. What's wrong with that? 100%. You're from the East Coast, aren't it? Yeah, somewhere out there. I think I remember when. They water, yeah, when Brett Hall was in town. I remember I thought he said his brother played on that team for some reason, on the Mots Clamados.

I don't think that's the worst. I think it's pretty, yeah. You're going to play for Mots. Mox commandos. You'd have a smile on your face the entire time. Yeah. What was Flim Flan? You play in the Royal Bank Cup and Flim Flan.

And I can't speak for all of Canada. Flim Flan would be a special place to play a Royal Bank Cup. Yeah, no, I think about it, and I really, there's no reason I would ever go to Flinflaw or ever really go back. But being there and just seeing their rink and the history in the rink, It's pretty cool. It's a pretty cool. It's a cool.

It's a cool atmosphere. And, you know, when they score goals and they're throwing moose legs on the ice, you know, it's a bit intimidating and just, and their fans are nuts and they live for it. And it was a big deal in that town at the time. And, yeah, we made the most of it. Like, I got to go back to when your podcast with Duane Perlet there, he had said that when he was playing for Weber and he said, well, if we would have met cameras in the final,

we would have smoked them, but they had their shot. They had their shot in the round robin. Sorry, but. We played them, and he was on the bench, and he'd chirped me the whole game. Parallet. It was pretty good. Just, I'm sure we knew each other just from, you know, he played Midwest Red Wings or whatever. But, yeah, it was a lot of fun.

That was, they had a, their curling rink converted. They called it the bomb shelter of big beer gardens there. So it was, it was good. God, that's, that's catchy, isn't it? The bomb shelter? I think one of the favorite things there when we get there, we show up for our first practice, and there's probably, I don't know, maybe 100, 150 people

there watching us practice, and Boris Rebelke says, tells everyone, grab a wrong-handed stick, head out. So we grab a wrong-handed stick, and you go out and, like, no one can, like, we do three-line shooting right off the start. No one can even, guys are falling over, And it broke the ice And people are looking at us

Like what the hell are these guys doing here Kind of thing It broke the ice You know what you say You talk about that I got to play in a Dudley Hewitt So you win the Dudley Hewitt You go onto the Royal Bank

Yeah And I remember our first practice And being so nervous Because all the teams That lined up to watch your practice Yeah everyone's there See who you are You imagine rolling out

Who are these bombs? Look at this team I can't imagine trying to convince what did you guys think grabbing the wrong-handed stick? Oh, we're just young guys. You're just laughing, making the best of it. It was funny. Yeah, but there are guys.

I might have been one of them. Like, no, no, no. Like, I need to feel the puck. I need to feel confident. I need to make a pass. You want to put it like, how awkward is it to play with the wrong-handed stick? Yeah, just to even skate with a stick in your other hand. Yeah, it feels foreign.

Yeah. It was good. We had just set the tone for the later in the week. We had to practice. My dad was there watching, and he was standing up above the first bowl, and I practiced ended, and there was only the one way out of the rink at the far end. So I kind of had him cornered,

and I grabbed 10 pucks and started firing out of him. While he was walking the concourse, and they were ringing off seats, and he didn't think I was trying to hit him, but I was trying to hit him. Like, I was legit trying to hit him on the run. It was pretty funny. It was good.

Guys were laughing, guys were joining in. It was a, yeah, it was. Big Laverna was on the run. It was good. It was dodging. Well, you've hoisted a cup that is, you know, once again in Canadian history. The Royal Bank Cup is a pretty special cup. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it was, it's a long grind to get there. And it definitely extended my time in cameras. And I, like I said, I enjoyed every, every minute of it. Even when they hosted it in Lloyd, it was pretty cool to see some banners around the rink. And there was one of our team photo all around the cup, you know, at the end of the game. So it's pretty cool that it's something that, you know, it's still celebrated. Well, this brings us, well, actually, you played a couple, an hour, I'm going to go there.

We're going to go, I want to talk about Bortar kids. I've been waiting. It has been an hour on the button. That's perfect timing. Now, do any, do all three you ever get to play for the Border Kings all at the same time? Was that ever a conversation? It had to have been a conversation. No, no, we didn't.

No, I kind of started and then Dallin came in and then he kind of bridged the middle and played with both. He played with both of us and then Dallas and I never played together. But even the year I got back, I had no intention to play in that year. We won in 07. I got back and I was living in Bonneville and I wasn't going to play and then they came up to play the senior Pontiacs in a game and I figured while I got a bunch of buddies out here

I'll go watch and yeah that got the competitive juices flowing again and it's like sign me up I want to keep on playing so I was traveling back and forth but had I not went and watch that game I don't know if I ever would have stepped foot on the ice and then ended up playing for five years after that

three Allen cups four Allen cups and but yeah it was but none of us the three of us never played all together never talked about it I don't think we did how the hell don't three brothers who grow up that tight play that good of sports never talk about it and I can say that having three older brothers we always talked about that we had one shift playing for the Hillmont hitman where we all got to line up and play as a, we pulled Jay out of retirement. Like, well, this is like three, four years ago. Jay's yelling at the dial right now going, because he knows exactly what it was. It was in Lashburn.

First game of the season, we didn't have enough guys. So I called up every single brother I had. And the opening lineup was Jay, Harley, and Dustin playing forward with Nathan, who's old son, and myself. So five Newman's open the game. We ended up losing that game. Jay gave away the worst, the worst Jay, as you listen to this, the worst, no look behind the back past, gave a guy a breakaway, and he'll claim he saw somebody in the glass of the boards. But that never, ever came up for you guys?

I don't know if you know this, Sean, but there's only one good fulster. We had to explain to us one time at the, standing at the rink. Chan? No. This is the best. It was about, it must have been about 08, 09, where the border kings are playing. And Dallan, you know, and we're at the Civic Center. So we're standing behind the home net.

So down route, you know, where everyone can walk between the two bathrooms. So Dall and I are standing there and we have the, we're standing beside, right behind the net. You know, they got the white pillars. And so there's two guys on the other side of a white pillar, and Dallan Dyer are standing by ourselves. And there's an icing. And so the puck comes down, the whistle blows. Dallas skates behind the net. He retrieves the puck.

He's skating slowly, skates by us, throws it to the ref, and you can hear a guy stand on the other side of the pillar. He says, which falchre is that? Is that the good one? And you can see his buddy going like, shut your mouth, shut your mouth. Yeah, and Dal and I just look at each other. We're like, well, yeah.

No, it's true. What are you going to say? Oh, we had a lot of fun. But yeah, I think I was probably a little past it by the time Dallas and Dallas and Dallon were playing. But, you know, maybe for one game. Actually, I think maybe the only time we all been on the same ice was the hockey day and Saskatchewan. The hockey day and Saskatchewan last year, yeah. That was probably the last time we were all on the ice together,

but it might have been the only time ever where we all three of us played in the same game. Not surprisingly. Truthfully, that's surprising. I would have thought there would have been like at least a conversation like, hey, why don't you stick around for at least a game and we'll get a shift? But it never was. No. No.

Well, I'm curious. The 01 Allen Cup has been talked about, I don't want to say extensively, but it's talked about on the podcast off and on with any of the Border Kings that have been on. You know, Morgan Merv obviously, huge. part in that. But you've been playing football, and I'm pointing that, Dustin. Yeah. You've been playing football.

How do you just roll back in and say, oh, yeah, let's play some hockey? Yeah, well, it was, I hadn't skated in five years. Honestly, I went away to university. I think I put on my skates twice over five years when I was there. And then I came back, and, of course, all my friends are playing hockey and people that I know. So I figured all, I'll go out and, you know. just start skating. What was the rust like?

Oh, I was bad. It was bad. I'm lucky I didn't hurt somebody or hurt myself, but no, it was, and then it was just a social thing. You know how senior hockey is, right? Oh, man, love senior hockey. Oh, yeah, so then it just kind of. Don't we all? Like, I mean, it is the greatest.

Yeah. I mean, it was good. It was all my buddies, and I didn't, you know, I kind of hung in there and competed. Obviously, I was in young enough and in good enough shape that I could kind of keep up. but skill-wise it wasn't out of my element. On a side note, can you imagine, and I'm looking at the other two four officers who playing, you know, hockey all their lives, but can you imagine having the football guy walking in your dressing room? Yeah, he's a great guy.

He's a quarterback of football, great athlete. We're going to keep him on. Jell's the team. Yeah, I don't want to be on his line, no. I think he's awesome, but I can't believe he didn't play for five years. No, I didn't skate. So how many years before you won, or was that the first year? No, I came back in 2000, and I played a little bit, and that was the year they hosted.

The Border Kings hosted, and I skated a little bit with them, and then I just played rec and stuff that year, and so skated for a year, and then the next year it was kind of good because everyone left from 2000, you know, all the older guys had kind of retired, and that was there. And really, we had a shitty, shitty team in 01 when we started. Really? Like we only had about nine forwards. 60s.

Like there was no one. That's how he made the team. That's how I made the team. Hey, remember that football guy that we didn't want? Can you find him and see if he wants to come play? Yeah. So, yeah, so I was just a little ball. I was another guy.

Yeah, I know it was fortunate enough. And then we went out to things just kind of fell in place. We only lost two games that whole year. We went out to Powell River. we flew out in the middle of January and played Powell River back to back out there and we we won

we lost both those games you know we went kind of short-handed and then we came back and things just one of those years where things just fell into place we had a lot of fun we probably the top team there was Dundas

and one of those games where Jason Clegg stood on his head good goaltending good goaltending Morgan Man cheated a little bit How so? Go, he saved a puck and he threw his hands up in there

like he scored. They counted it? They counted it, yeah. You know, the crazy Fessie Morgan. The crazy thing is, is I've said, if you celebrate it like you scored, and there's no video review, the ref will call it off your reaction.

And he did? He did. Yeah, we had fun. You see him, in the NHL, you see him calling it off their reaction. but it's a video review now that brings it back. Am I going to jinx myself on a side note? The game is now Philly 25 San Fran 20.

San Fran has the ball. Betharren's in. Bringing him back. I was going to say if he completes this pass, we might have to pause for a second here. Yeah, it was one of those years where 0-1, it was in Sarni, but it was hosted by the Petroleum Squires. And I don't know if you can see the picture up there,

the big fella. my best friend from university, number 50 there, old lineman, he played for Petroly, or he lived in Petroleum. Okay. So when we went out there, Petroly Squires, its little bar in a little town called Petroly and his family owned a bus company. So all week when we were out at the Allent Cup, his family brought the bus down.

And they'd drive us around, and guys were out on the town and jumping in his little bus driving everybody around. It was awesome. One of those things where things just fall into place, and yeah, we had a great time. You know, I can probably ask all three of this. I can.

Winning is winning, but the Allen Cup is special. Did it seem special when you want it? Like, did you understand the significance when you won that trophy? I think I probably understood it more when watching these two win it than when I won it. No, it was the first year I ever played senior hockey and it just, shit just kind of happened,

but then you don't, you know, then you take four or five years off and you realize how hard it is to win. And then watching these two win it, it was, it was probably more special watching them win it, seeing how, you know, because you know how, you realize how good you got to be and how lucky you got to be.

It's not easy. So it was, it was fun watching, watching those guys win it. I had no expectation when I went to play, even going to it, competing for it but it all fell into place for us and I think what was even more special was winning it with a bunch of your lifelong friends as well like there was a bunch of guys that that I grew up playing with there we had some older guys as well but some younger kids that

you knew a lot of years and to win it with those guys was was pretty cool but the trophy itself is amazing until we dented it until Stan he got a hold of that that's pretty Probably, you know, both years, the Border Kings have won the Allen Cup. It's been probably 75, 80% local guys. Yeah, which is super cool. Which, yeah. Like that year we went out in Sarnia. I think we were the only, I think Jason Clegg had played a couple, half a season of pro.

Other than that, we didn't have one guy that had played any games pro hockey, and we just worked hard and just had fun and competed. and then same thing even when you guys were in 07 like if you looked up and down the rosters it probably credential-wise it wasn't the best but you want to talk about a team that played as a team yeah that's what was big for me was just winning it with guys that you

played minor hot like with Ryan Rivett and Jorady Dugan and you know I worked at Fountain Tire with Kent like it's all guys you know like Morgan or Merv for sure you know like it just one of those things and plus it was in Stony which, you know, didn't sound that great, but then that way all your, there's a lot of family. Stony is pretty much hometown. Yeah, there's a lot of family and friends there. Stony's what from us?

Two hours? Yeah. And in Canada, two hours might as well be next door. Yeah. No, yeah, it was, it was, it worked out good for me, the tournament I had. Like, it was one of those things where I didn't even play come playoffs and we just happened to lose the first game. So I got in the lineup. so it was

just ended up staying. Worked out good. That's how you got in the line? Yeah. If we would have won in game one, I wouldn't have played game two. I guarantee you. They went on to score.

He scored a couple of goals. Well, okay, so the champ, shout out to the champ again. Old shoeless champ, swinging the club. Let's talk about the night you guys win the Allen Cup when Dallon and Dallas were playing.

That has been a story that I've kind of been retold a few times by the champ, usually with shoes on. So let's hear it. Let's hear this story of the three brothers, one sitting in the stands, two others playing, and how it goes. Well, it goes back to the first, I think the first game of the, first game of the Allen Cup, you guys were losing to Bentley. Yep, lost four to one that game.

And so second period, Ramona Mann got drawn, her program number got drawn, shoot for $10,000 at the final. So she brought... In game one. In game one of the tournament. So they were drawn 20 tickets throughout the game or throughout the tournament. And then everything culminated in... 20, 20 people got to shoot?

20 shooters. 20 shooters. So Ramona won it. Game one of the tournament. She goes, do you want to shoot? We'll split it 50-50. And I said, I said, oh, Jesus, they're losing. He said, I'm not coming back. I had lots of faith. I said, I'm sure as hell not driving back up here for the final for a shootout.

And she said, well, no, you put your name in and we'll split it. And if they're in the final shoot, and if they're not, then we'll just walk away from it. So I said, okay. So I handed her the ticket, and then you guys ended up losing that game. Then you beat. Halifax. I beat Halifax. And then...

Beat Quebec. Beed Quebec. And then, yeah. Stony plane was a huge upset. To get us... We upset them to get into the final. Yeah. So, yeah, then these guys went on a roll.

So the final game, we get to the... It's the finals on the Saturday night. Stony plane. It's like you said, half Lloyd Minster's up there, right? So they had a shootout for... It was for 10 grand. And whoever... you had to get, so basically what you had to do is you had to shoot two pucks into the board,

the scoral. From where? From center ice. Center ice. Center ice. So you had to make two or three shots for 10 grand. For people who don't understand what he's talking about, from center ice, you got to shoot a puck into the net, but not only into the net, there's a board there with a slot that would be what?

They said it's a quarter inch wider in a puck. Quarter inch wider than a puck in the middle of the net. Yeah. or the middle of the board of the net. Sorry, carry on. So I get up there, and so they had us line up.

There was about 20 guys. They had a carpet for us to stand on. I get up there. They hand me a stick that had a heel curve on it, that I thought, Christ, I just don't want to put it into the corner. So all I went up there and said, I'm going to fire this off the board

and make as loud a noise as I can make. So I grabbed the first puck, and I fire it, boom. I think it kind of rattles around, goes in the net. So I throw my hands up because that was only one, right? So I think that won me $100. Anybody else in the 20 hit? No, so then I had to go to the back of the line.

Right. So does any of the other 19 people? Half the people don't even hit the net. So then I get back up and again thinking, well, I made it once. No way in hell I'm going to make this. And same thing, I just said, I'm going to shoot this as hard as I can. and I'm going to just try to make a big bang off the net. Not bad for a quarterback.

That's the same way I played quarterback. I just kind of closed my eyes and fired it. Fucking with that big skin. Catch this. So I just fired it as hard as I could, and I don't know how the hell. I can remember see it. It just got to disappear.

And then I didn't know what to do. I think I ran down the ice. There was some guy behind me that chased me down in the lineup. ended up jumping on top of me. And yeah, it was 10 grand. That was before the game. So all the guys were standing on the glass. You know, they were taping their sticks getting ready before a lot.

Yeah, it was well before the game. Does he explain that story quite well? Yeah, oh yeah, he did like some sort of baseball slide, fist pumping. Full disclosure, his first shot was so hard. It might have widened out that hole of it. There was chunks. I was standing behind the net and there was chunks flying. Yeah.

So yeah, and then that just kind of set the tone for the night. I mean, it was a fun night. It was back and forth, and I think Border Kings were down. One goal going into the third period. And it was a good, it was a good hockey game. You guys down one? I think we were down. We were up one going into the third.

At one point, I think midway through the second, we were down one or something. Well, for the listeners, so a guy nails, I mean, That guy nails a half-ice shot twice into a hole that is tight. That's a tight. That's a tight spot. Yes, as we are. But then you've got to extend the story. You guys win the Allen Cup, but then you get Dallas with the tie-ing goal,

Dallin with the winning. Yeah. So in the night of winning the Allen Cup, the falters are everywhere. Yeah. So I, and game finishes, I got to, I went and ran and did a interview with Reed. Wilkins. Wilkins, right? Because he was there.

He called every game. He called every game. He was awesome. Yeah, he did a great job of it. And then I come back and to the room and to have some beer and they're, they're digging through the, digging through the stick bag. I'm like, what are you guys doing? They're like, we're looking for your stick. This guy's from the hockey hall.

of Fame. He wants to put your stick in the Hockey Hall of Fame. I'm like, no, can't have it. And the guy looks at him. I'm like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah, no, it's, it's already gone. He gave it to my dad. He's putting it in his grudge. You're serious? I'm like, yeah, 100% serious. Can I take your jersey? I took my jersey right off, right there on my, off my back, gave it to him. Here you go. It was pretty neat to just kind of say no to the Hockey Hall of Fame about a wood stick that's sitting in the corner there. He bought it a Canadian tire the week before. is it? The last guy using a wood stick.

The Sherwood right there. Yeah, that's the one. Man. I went to... Yellow Heavy, that thing is. I went to factory sports and they dug it out of the building next door, out of the extra storage for me that week.

You know, so I got the Sherwood game winning stick in my hands, but how good does the old wood feel? Like, just the... Yeah, I struggled with the new sticks. I felt like I could never feel the puck on my blade kind of thing. I got to be honest, that is an ugly, ugly... but I mean like the how the the shaft is like formed or size or whatever you want to call that like it feels good that's a good feeling stick kept it in the garage yeah that was neat and then

like the following year you guys went out to uh we're in brannford brandford for the island cup the following year for the island cup so we got to go to the hockey all of fame and there see the jersey was in there and there was a big picture of hood and dally and rivet and brown getting I think it was getting the Allen Cup from the year before. They had a little section there, so it was pretty cool. Did Megan and hoist with your brother? I'm always curious about the brother. Three older brothers, right?

So did winning with a brother? Did that add something special? Or was that never a conversation? You guys would make me curious, because I can't believe you did not have a conversation at any point in time saying, hey, old QB, why don't you just hang in for one more year? Oh, winning it with Dallon was, that was cool as well. But mom and dad were there, Dustin was there.

Like, the families were all there. What Dustin did before the game was phenomenal. Like, it all just, it was surreal at the time. Because I don't think any, I don't think we were expected to win the Allen Cup that year. But we went in there and kind of like the, you know, won when they won it, things just fell into place. And it was, it was pretty incredible. It's funny you say that.

That was our only loss of the whole year. Was that one lost to Bentley? That was the only game we lost that year, but we weren't huge favorites or anything. No, we weren't. I don't think. It was a strange. Stony was stacked.

Bentley was a good team. We didn't know much about Whitby, but I think they lost the year before. Did they not? Yeah, I think they weren't lost in the final year before, yeah. So we knew they were good. But, you know, to bring it to today's sense, like right now, like this whole coach,

COVID thing going on. And I don't know whether that put senior hockey. Senior hockey's going to have a tough goal here for a bit. Like even the Allen Cup, like after, you know, everybody, the Chinook not being, taking a year or whatever they're going to call it. I mean, I think Senior was having a tough enough time just the way things are, like the way technology is

and the way, like it used to be a small town. That was the night out. looked forward to go into a hockey game, right? But now people don't need to leave the comfort of their home. It's not, you know, there's not as many young kids running around the rink. It seems like, like, for a late-night senior game, right? To me, it seems that way. And I don't know what COVID is going to do to it,

but it seems like it's slowly fading off in a way. That's a scary thought because I got a lot of happy memories. I mean, the hell, that's what we've just talked about, right? Like a lot of great memories of playing senior hockey. There's one thing I'm going to miss about the senior hockey. I mean, like, how much fun has it dressed? Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, that's everything right there.

Road trips, getting on that bus. You hope it's, it almost seems like it's cyclical, right? Like, there's a group of kids that come through locally that, you know, there was a group before Morgan and Merv years ago. And then that group Morgan and Merv and those, that age group came through. And then there was followed up with another group. You hope there's another one that's going to take over the reins

and kind of revitalize it a little bit. Because it is, like you say, it's really not about winning it, but it's sharing those memories or gaining those memories in the dressing room that are the funest part about it. It's like what you guys built out in Hillman in last couple years, you know? Like it's the whole town comes out and watches and you got a good core that, enjoy being together and having fun and the community rallies behind that right you guys have

had some success and so it's it's awesome people love that it's hard to leave it is it is it's probably why you played five years it's probably why you played five years it's probably why you played i don't know i knew as soon as that allen cup was over i knew i was done i there's you weren't a second you quit after the allen cup yeah right there that was it How do you quit after the Ellen Cup? You're the guy who rides off in the sunset. We all talk about it. Yeah, I allowed to sunset.

Like I said, going through provincials and everything, I didn't play one game. I sat there in the stands. And by the end, I was getting kind of bitter about it. And I just, I said to myself, I play next year. Is it going to be the same kind of thing? Oh, shit. So why put myself in the Ellen Cup? And actually playing those games was pretty significant.

Yeah. Because you hadn't played the entire time. I think that probably was to my advantage. Everyone was probably banged up from the grind of getting there. And I was fresh as a day. He came in, scored two goals. How do you pull a guy like that team? Yes, Danny couldn't pull them out.

Then sure enough, he just kept it rolling right through the rest of the tournament. Into the final. All game winner. All power play goals. Every one of them. Dave Andercheck. Yeah. That's what you're talking about the curve of my stick.

You don't need a big curve to shovel the puck. It's true, though. That's it. You know, playing hockey, playing any sport probably, but playing hockey specifically, just because we all know it, so well,

something special about the dressing room, and the dressing room is okay. As soon as you graduate into senior hockey, like, that's a special place. And for anyone who never plays senior hockey, they just have no clue. They have no idea what that room's all about. but what makes it takes it to the next tier is winning

winning just like cements that you chase that feeling for the rest of time almost and uh when all in copp is and senior is well is the holy grail is the

and i mean for lloyd to do it twice in six years and for you three to have a piece in the start and the last and now to have no senior hockey in lloyd is pretty crazy honestly yeah it's sad how it's too bad that it's come to that but because like you said it is it is special and and uh it's unfortunate that more guys don't continue on after junior and and keep playing because there is there is a lot of fun there and it's like i said like with what you guys it's something for a community to rally behind especially when

there's a lot of local local people well it's a way to have it. the local talent all play. Yeah. Right? Because in senior hockey, you have, if you do, if you do, if you have a senior hockey team, even if you're paying a few guys, the most part, it's got to be made up with locals. Yeah. And so it's a lovely way to just bring in the talent.

That camaraderie in that dressing room too, like especially with, like Dallas was kind of touching on how you have that older generation and there's a younger one and you just look up to those older guys so much and we do go to bat for them. Like it was, I enjoyed the dressing room. The dressing room and the bus trips is. And everyone's there because they love it, right? Yeah. Like guys got a lot of stuff on their plate, but they got families.

They got kids. You know, it's, it's hectic to get there some days and it's a grind for them. But they do it because they love the game and they love the, love the guys that they're playing with. I love the snapping of the beers. the wedding, right? I'm not going to lie, I'm going to try that later. But let's go, let's roll into the crude master final five.

We'll end with five relatively quick questions. So shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald for support in the podcast. For each of you, who is the best player you played with or against? Who is, who is the most talented person? You stepped on the ice. I'll even give, I'll even give you, uh, the best football player hell i'll take that if you played against somebody that just stands out who's best athlete best athlete you played against um for against and i'm i'm curious now you got me

curious and we're going to start with down and because i mean you won uh royal bank cup and you won the allen cup so i assume there's somebody that maybe sticks up you're giving me the headshake man, I don't know. I think probably my first year junior we played against Danny Heatley when he's with the Calgary Canucks and he just just one of those guys

were, you look at the game sheet after and he's like, holy shit, that guy had that guy had five points. Like it just, you know, four goals and one assist and you just kind of didn't, it just kind of happened. He was just always there, Johnny on the spot, and kind of

would run away with Like, he scored a lot of goals that year, for sure. That'd be my guy. Dallas? Hmm. What got me thinking here? I guess the one guy that comes to mind, because he made me look real silly when I was 20 years old, he was 16, and the H.HL was Mike Comrie, young little punk. He twisted me inside out and buried one on us, made it look easy, and I'll never forget that one.

He probably moved on to be one of the more successful guys I played against that I can remember. One of those ones you wish you had YouTube now to go back and look at it. No thanks. Don't even have it on VHS. I'm going to say J.P. Darsh. He was the middle linebacker for the McGill Redman. Scary man. He went on to be a long snapper for the Seattle Seahawks.

He could play, but he was a man and I was a kid running around for my life. That's cool. You three, we set this up later and we'll give the fans a show, but you three get in a fight who wins? I'm betting on myself. Is biting allowed? Yeah, there's no rules, so you can do whatever you want. That's pretty.

pretty easy decision I think it ain't me yeah I think I'm running I think even if Dallas and I tag team I think we're losing I think we're interesting interesting best barn you ever played it or most memorable let's go with one of those two I I would have to say flin flan just just the like I said it talked about earlier in the atmosphere in there was unreal being a World Bank Cup and just the history in that rink. There's a lot of banners and the big picture of the queen at one end and the other side of the rink they got in huge letters.

Welcome to the zoo. Don't feed the animals. And they're throwing moose legs on the ice. That was a pretty cool experience. And then the final games on TSN. It was a cool, cool place to be at that time. So that's my barn for sure. And it's a barn.

And it's a barn. And it sounds intimidating. Don't feed. Great. That's great. I'd have to go with, I played in some very unique barns in, in Germany, some that the ends were wide open. So if it was a snowstorm that we're practicing, we would, we'd be, half the ice would be shut off because it'd be full of snow. Played in some arenas that had netting around them still.

Like this is back in 0,03, 04. but the one that sticks out the most is probably Landshute Germany. It's an old hockey town in southern Germany in Bavaria and just the atmosphere there. The building was always packed.

The fans sang and dance like soccer fans would in a soccer game throughout the whole game. And yeah, it was just a pretty cool, pretty cool atmosphere. Neat place to play. I'd have to say, and it wasn't even that the games were special, but just the old, the history of the place was, we went out to trail one year to play the smoke eaters out there. The smoke eaters?

The smoke eaters, yeah. They get a strong history. Yeah, like you're, I'm just to walk around the building and see all the memorabilia from, like they're the last amateur team to win the world championships for Canada and, and, uh, and steel plants right there and everything. It was, it was, uh, it was a lot of fun just to see that history. you're heading to a party yeah hypothetical yeah

and you get to bring one case of beer what case of beer you bring obi no sorry never never I'm probably just I'm probably gonna bring the Wayne Grexkes no the Wayne Gratzkes are good

but I'm probably going to go down to Fourth Meridian grab some pig launchers oh shit that's my shout of Brat tea yep there you go I'm a fourth meridian guy I'm probably going I'm going an IPA

I'm going sparky and I'll regret it in the morning but that's what I'm that's where I'm going So wait a second Just so I have this clear We're headed to a party And we got a case of Fourth Meridian

And a case of Fourth Meridian Is that what I just heard? Oh yeah Local man What the hell Brad's gonna be kicking himself I'm kicking myself right now I should have stopped in

And grab this home The way we're going We should have had a keg and let me go. Are you going to stay local too? For me, you can't beat a German Hefe Weitzin. I take a case of those. Longboard right behind that. Long board right behind it, yeah.

But you know what? I'll grab a variety pack of any craft beer now, and I find that. It doesn't matter what it is. I'll just try it all. All right, boys. Your final one, you're heading to the same party. We all got a case of Fourth Meridian because we're of support local.

but you get one celebrity to tag along with you that you get to party with for the night. Who you take it? Dave Grohl. Done. Done? Yeah. Think about that whole. Jeez,

that's my guy. That's my guy. What's about, while these two old boys think about it here, what's it about Dave Grohl? I don't know. Just something about that rock star lifestyle, you know, and he's kind of done it twice.

so it's or what is he what is he the drummer for Nerva or is he the singer for food who are you the singer for food fires who what you go I'm kidding I'm kidding yeah I know yeah me fool

that's my guy that's who I'd pick like how can you go out he's had a lot yeah oh my god the other two go ahead

I'd resurrect him Chris Farley I want to I want to party with that man. We all know that man who had a part. Hell, if you're resurrected, I'm coming to.

Um, geez. You get the final say here, big fella. No pressure. I'm going to go with. Oh, he's going to have to edit the shit out of this thing. Yeah, I think you're going to have to edit this one. Let's go with LeBron James.

LeBron James? Yeah. Why the hell not? Go have a timeout. You ask me why? I don't know. Sounds like fun, doesn't it? Well, let's be very clear. LeBron James lives in a completely different life than we all.

That's right. You wouldn't know what to expect. It's something completely different. You'd be drinking apple and martinis or something. Well, thanks, boys. This has been a lot of fun. I hope. I say this at the end.

I hope you guys have enjoyed it, but I'm pretty sure you've enjoyed it. So thanks for sitting down and entertaining me for a couple hours. Appreciate it, Sean. Thanks for having us. That's great. Hey, folks, thanks again for joining us today. If you just stumble on the show and like what you hear, please click subscribe. Remember, every Monday and Wednesday a new guest will be sitting down to share their story.

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