Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #140 - Glenn Healy

Episode Date: December 28, 2020

Man what a beauty! I'd honestly never expect Glenn to be so colourful with the ability to tell a story, but boom he's an absolute beauty. We talk about his time in Los Angeles, Toronto & New York, discuss the small goalie & how they are no longer relevant and he shares some great stories about The Great One & Mark Messier.   Let me know what you think   Text me! 587-217-8500

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We got another great one on tap for you today. Before we get there, just Merry Christmas. I know I'm a couple days late or happy holidays. I hope everybody's doing well out there. The podcast rolling along here. If you missed last week's Don Cherry on, that was one knocked off the bucket list, so to speak. I've got a list and some of the names I think are just absolutely unattainable. but I've been proven wrong against that thought multiple times.

And if you just continue to pester, persevere, put positive thoughts out there. Geez, it's pretty crazy what can happen in a year's time, you know, from the beginning of 2020, where you had Mr. Paul Bisonette walk on on, you know, episode two of 2020 to one of the last episodes having Don Cherry on. It's pretty, it's been a very eventful 2020. I know there's been a lot of bad, tough times for a lot of people, but the podcast is happy to have you all aboard. And today is, I tell you what, Mr. Healy might be one of the best guests I've had yet. He is colorful and tells a hell of a story.

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2021 is only a few days away, and then we're off and rolling again. We'd love to have you aboard. But now let's get to the T-Barr 1, Tale of the Tape. Originally from Pickering, Ontario, he spent four years at Western Michigan University. He was signed by the L.A. Kings in 1985, and from this point on, he spent 15 years in the NHL.

He suited up for the Kings, Islanders, Rangers, and Maple Leafs playing in 437 games and was a part of the 1994 New York Rangers Stanley Cup Championship team. He is the current president of the NHL Alumni Association. I'm talking about Mr. Glenn Healy. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Glenn Healy. And welcome to the Sean, what's your name again? This is the Glenn Healy.

This is the Glenn Healy. Healy show, no, no, take free. This is Glenn Healy. And welcome to the Sean Newman Show. Enjoy. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Mr. Glenn Healy. So first off, thank you for hopping on. And thank you for not getting frustrated by the 50 million texts I ended up firing you. No, you're a good sort. Whenever anyone starts with, I'm friends with Corey Cross. The gate is open. So no problem. I'm happy to help and I've heard great things about what you're doing. And so, you know, let's make some magic happen. Well, I want to start, I want to start there. Ask me on so there'll be no magic.

Let's make, let's put this in the ditch then for the next little bit. I call bullshit on that because if you're a hockey guy, chances are you've listened to spit and chicklets and you've been on spit. I think you were one of the better episodes. That might be a little biased because you got you on now. But I, when I first heard, I'm like, holy crap. Glenn can really spit. Yeah, there we go. You better put that back in the gift basket for Christmas.

Probably wouldn't be wise if that was missing. That was a fun show. You know, it was right after Jeremy wrote it got fired. So my biggest concern was at, you know, 8 o'clock in the morning with these two guys who are fun guys and love to tell stories. There's two things that happen. One, they're offering you alcohol, which is not a good thing at 8 in the morning. So I brought one of the gentlemen, Scotty McKay, works with me just to say,

all right, if I say something that I could get fired about, please let me know right away. And then the second thing, I love the fact they tell stories, but you just get this enchanted way of feeling like you're in the locker room and you just can let out anything you want. It doesn't matter. We're in the locker room.

This all stays within these walls. Or to the other two million people that watch their show. So that's the intoxicating thing with that. show. They're great. They tell great stories, which we all have. And the lure is don't, don't have a fish on the hook. Because if you get on, it's hard to get off. So at eight in the morning, yes. Would you like a Pink Whitney? Fortunately for me, I can't stand vodka. No, I'm not having a pink Whitney at eight in the morning. But they're, they're great for our sport, great for our guys, great for the game. I love everything about that show and I love the fact that you're doing yours because, again,

everyone's got a story. Just please tell the stories. I don't care about matchup shifts and could stick in the lane and what's the coach going to do next. The coach doesn't play. I couldn't care less what the coach is going to do. It's all about the players and their stories and let's tell them. I always say if you want, you know, who's in the lane and who's dumping this and what line

matchups, you go to TSN, you go to Sports Center. You go, you go where those guys are. You don't come here. What you come here for is you go, somebody is going to wake up. when this airs and go, Glenn Healy, because this happens on every single guy. They're going to go, do I want to listen to Glenn Healy for an hour and a half talk about his playing days?

Well, I'll give it a go. And then what I'll end up happening is at the end, they'll go, wow, Glenn, you'll do exactly what I did. When I listened to Yon Spit, I went, damn, that was pretty freaking good. Because you get to see, you get to see the guy. You get to hear the stories. And you get to hear them kind of open up and not be so, you know, cookie cutter.

That's what all hockey players are when you get after. hockey game. I understand it. But it's cool to kind of glimpse into parts of the stories and the life and everything else. So I love when the interview players at the end of the second, it's 2-2, and they ask you if the next goal is important. What a stupid fucking question. Like, really? Like, we're going into overtime. Is the next goal important? No, not really. quicker we get on that bus and get the jet started, the better we are. We get back home quicker. Dumb, dumb questions. And unfortunately, that's what we have sometimes when we turn the TV on. The great thing about that is we get a remote in our hand and we can turn the channel if we really want.

But yes, I couldn't agree more and applaud you and what you're doing. But I survived spitting chicklets. I didn't get fired. There's no fine from the lead. I'm doing pretty good. Like I'm batting a thousand right now. Yeah, well, we'll see if we could suck some stories at you then, Glenn. I'm in trouble. You know, I got to start with Corey because Mr. Cross A has been on the show several times. He, I could say it very clearly that he impressed the hell out of me because growing up, as you can see, Wade was, Wade was the guy from the hometown.

Corey went and played in Tampa. I had a very unusual way of getting there. And so to hear his story and how, like, Kennedy was about it, really impressed me. And he started laughing when I said, I wanted to get you on. He's like, oh, boy. So you got to have a Cory Cross story for me. Well, so we would sit on the flights. He sat beside Curtis Joseph.

And so, you know, we would kind of sit there on the, flights home. And Crosser had this war book, 900 pages, like this thick, right? And I'd look at him and I'd think, okay, like you're really going to read that. Like you're trying to pretend you're an intellect, right? And he would open up the book. And at the same time, Curtis is talking about horse semen because he was doing race horses. You take the semen from this horse, you put it in that horse. And then all of a sudden, you know, you get a horse that looks like this, right?

It is because it really runs the race really fast. So you've got Kujo talking about that. Then you've got me with my practice bagpipe channer playing a bunch of bagpipe songs. And, you know, it's all in your ears. So I'm not disturbing the entire plane because it clearly would have. And then Crosser with his war book.

And he'd open it up and I'd be like, Crosser. You really think you're going to read that? Like, really? Yeah, just lay off. Watch this. 30 seconds later, fast asleep.

So I think in the four years that I was with Toronto with him, he read eight pages. So I don't know if he's finished the book. I mean, maybe that's another reason for a podcast for him. But I can tell you, he had no chance of reading it. It was the most boring book ever.

I mean, clearly overweight with his luggage if we actually had to check in. But we had the C-Met and talk, the bagpipe talk, and Corey Cross, who fell asleep reading a World War II book that was bigger than anything he's ever read. Reading an encyclopedia. Yeah. So there was our flights home every day from games and just, wow, can't make the shit up.

Are you actually 5'7? I've been wondering this for a bit now. I'm a short guy to frame the question. I'm 5'6. I'm a defenseman. I'm a small guy. I started, you know, doing my light research I do and come across 5-7. I'm like, gee, I always just assumed all my life that all NHLers were a standard height,

so to speak, not that sounds stupid, but because all I ever told myself growing up was, man, if you were four inches tall, you would have been in the show, right? Something stupid like that. And the more guys I interview, I can't get over how many small guys played in the show. So what you're trying to say size matters? I'm trying to say you played a goalie position as a small guy. So and it's ironic you say that. So I can remember last year when we at the team of the century, which is the Oilers, I think it was two years ago now. COVID has seemed to taken a bunch of our time away. We don't know when we started and when it's going to end. But we're in the,

we're in the twilight zone, Glenn. So it was Mike Vern. and myself, Grant Fierer, kind of standing around just chatting. And I looked, and the first thing I thought it was, look at all of us. We're like 5'8. All of us. Like, no one's tall. No one's big. No one's six, seven, six, nine.

There was no Vasilesky. There's no, you know, Peke Rene. And it just was an eye-opener to me. You know, I think there was an evolution of equipment that really led to the change in what you could have for a size of a goalie. So if I take you back to say my first couple years, 85, 84, going up to the late 80s, I had a set of goalie pads made by John Brown. He was a great goalie manufacturer, big in the business.

And he had the deer hair leather pads. And I weighed them after about not wearing them for about 3,500 days. There were 27 pounds. So if you think about that, a goalie pad or pads today would be. be about eight pounds combined. So you go from east to west. I'm going with eight pounds worth of weight to get to cross-ice passes. Or I've got 27 pounds. As a goalie was 5'8. So can you imagine if I'm 60? What are they weight? Are they 40 pounds? 37 pounds? So I think that evolution of equipment made it so that goalies could get east to west, could get across to make those cross-seeing

passes, saves, and not be, you know, subject to the fact that you're just not going to get there. And then you combine that with the fact that if you're a bigger goalie, there's less margin for error, right? I cover the net. I really don't have to make a save. You're probably just going to hit me because that's the biggest thing in goaltending. It's not what's in front of you, although I did worry about that with Gretzky and Lemieux and a whole bunch of others, but it's what's behind you.

I know how much net is behind me for any particular player to score. And if I've got bigger pads, then you know what? I have a better chance of making that save. The opportunity is in my favor. I recall one practice, Curtis Joseph, he wanted to try my pads one day and practice. Let me try it. Okay, sure, Cooch. Put some on.

And honestly, it looked like those peewee mini pads. Remember, I used to wear those back in the day for anyone that's too old and whatever, turn the channel. but pee-minipads. That was the big thing, right? You had to have those. He put them on the first shot, hit him straight in the shin, and all I could hear of yelping at the other end of the ice, pads were gone, take them off, too small.

How can you wear these? But that's the way we sustained. That's the way we managed to play. But started with the big, heavy ones, and they weren't even wet when I weighed them after 3,500 days. So when they get wet, they're heavier, and then you went into better equipment, better equipment, bigger goalies,

and then you're playing the odds and the odds are in the favor of a bigger goalie. And I would think some teams today, they don't even draft guys unless you're six too, if you're a goalie. Even though you've got more talent and Grant Fear is one of the arguably the best and Mike Vernon and you go down the list.

They just don't even look at it. It's a stat, no, too small. Next, bigger guy. So you're saying then as a small guy today, even if you were unbelievable, You'd have to be unbelievable to be on a Scouts Raider. Like you'd have to do something special to be a small guy like yourself and make it to the show. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

So anyone who can't get on a ride in Disney, don't be a goalie. You're out. You know, again, you're drafting guys at 18. I mean, it's just you're on a hope and a prayer, right, to see if this kid's going to make it in four years or five years or, whenever he develops. And I think from a goaltending standpoint, that position more than any, there's this level of development.

I tried out for the World Junior team in 84. No, it was 81. 1981, the year that Canada beat the Russians ate nothing. There were four goals. It's Frank Caprice, Mike Moffat, Glenn Healy, trying out, and Grant Fuhr. And, you know, I remember coming down one of the first days, we were going to do a team stretch.

And Grant Fier is down. he's wearing black dress socks and running shoes. And I thought, man, this guy better be damn good. Because you're going to dress like this to go train, you better have some swagger. Okay, watching the first day in practice and went, oh, wow. Okay, he's making the oilers. So he did. He made the Oilers and had a splendid career, a Hall of Fame career, arguably one of the best

goalies ever. I got cut and Mike Moffat and Frank Caprice made the team. And I went back to my little hole in the wall and pickering by a nuclear reactor. And those guys, hey, they won the gold medal. game, they won eight nothing. Like you could have played net with Wade Redden's sweater on behind you and won the game. Like, what are you going to? All I got to do is make sure I don't give up nine.

Okay, we'll get the gold. Start the jet. But, you know, Grant was unique. He was one of the few guys that right from the start, gosh, was he magic and stepped into the NHL. But a lot of us, we need time. And so when you do that little dance at the podium, you really have to be sure you've got the right guy.

And if you're you're looking at statistics and analytics and you've talked to your analytiates, then you probably are going to take the bigger goaltender. You know, I got to ask about Grant Fier specifically. He's been on the show before. Well, I've had a bunch of now I've started to, you know, with him and Rudy and now yourself. What's fun about the different guys is their different personalities. And what I want to know, I think what every listener wants to know that listen to the Grant Fear episode was Grant was very.

says like two words and then it's back on you and you ask and back on you back and then you get you and you guys are just willing to talk and just share what I want to know is have you had Pierre McGuire on haven't had Pierre. Yeah. You take the cake. You don't even have to ask question. Just push play. Here we go.

I've had Chris Dingman on from the Tampa Bay Lightning once upon a time when they won a cup. And that's what everybody joked about with that. Sorry, Chris, if you're listening. But is Grant behind close? doors a chatty Kathy or is that him? Has that always been him? No, I think you're right. He's an incredible soul.

He's got a big heart. I think he is, he gives way more than he takes, which, you know, is pretty admirable in the days of all his wanting more. And all of us take, take, take. He's not that way at all.

And for what he's accomplished and all the cups that he's won, and the Hall of Fame induction. And, you know, you would never know that this is one of the greatest of all time ever. One of the top 100 players of all time. Very, very, you know, quiet, you know, but there's a lot going on in there, right? He's, there's a lot that he feels. And, you know, he just isn't about to tell everyone how great he is.

So we'll do that on your show and say, man, is that guy good. He would never say it. And, you know, he's got a, he's got a beautiful family and like everything I've seen about what he does. It's always about, you know, there's always that thought, right? When you do things for others, that's when you'll be remembered. I think that's the way he puts the left foot in front of the right foot every day. He's always about doing something for somebody else. So I love to have him as part of our goaltender mafia because, to me, it makes me proud.

that, you know, didn't get to be a teammate of his, but, but boy, plays the same position. He's an alumni. He's one of us. And he really makes us proud. Well, and I should. Great guy. I should say he's super nice guy, like ridiculously nice guy. He just played, you'd think talking about like the Oilers and, well, heck, like his entire career for that matter, he's done some incredible things. He just said that. And just to try and pull some of those out, it was just, it was interesting because he, was just quiet. I think quiet's the best word to describe. Going back to you, Glenn,

did you start by playing junior B? Pickling junior B? Yeah. So I mean, hey, my first year playing hockey, you know, my parents came over from Scotland after World War II. They had no job, no money in Scotland. Come to Canada, you get two pounds to emigrate. with no job. But hey, it's two pounds. It's a boat ride. So it's, it could be pretty cool. Then they came here and the Scottish family decides, we should put Glenn into hockey because all of the people in the church league had their kids in hockey. So I start playing. I'm a defense and it was the days in a time of the buzzer system. So you'd go out. You'd have a I remember those days. Those were great days. I would step on the ice and, uh,

I would make my way to the puck and then I'm off. Okay. Back to the bench. I'm back on. I haven't even got to the bench and I'm back on. Well, I played more than anybody in any league at any time. I don't think I ever got to the bench. I spent the entire year and never touched the puck once.

And my dad, who was just an, well, he stand down, Scotty Bowman. He was an incredible coach. He said, well, if he can't get a. to the puck, why don't you let the puck get to him, put him in net. And I became a goalie. There we go. I can stand there and wait for it to come to me. And so, you know, for us, it was all about life skills. It was about discipline. It was about sacrifice. It was about being a great teammate. All those things that we try to teach our kids, but sport can teach them. And then, you know, had my chance at playing at a higher level. And the focus for our family was, could you be the first

Healy that's ever been educated. Could you go to university? Oh my gosh. This would be monumental. We've combed all of Scotland and Ireland and you're the only one. And so that was my focus. So play Junior B and get a scholarship. And that's exactly how the dance happened for me.

So what started off is never touching the puck, getting a set of pads that fell off the truck at the Legion. So you know where they came from. Wait, wait. Your first set of pads fell off the truck, shall we say? Yeah. Yeah, that's the way it works at the Legion, right? If you go to any Legion anywhere, they'll sell you a block of cheese, the size of this table.

And you're like, where did you get that? Don't worry about it. It was $3. Just give us the money. You know what I mean? Okay. So I had a set of pads. I don't know where they came from.

And I wore them for, okay, when I was six, they were a little, a little bit too big for me. I mean, considering they were in front of my eyes, so I couldn't even see the puck. But as I got older, I grew into them and more of those for forever. But, you know, for me, the journey was life skills and making sure that you enjoyed playing the game. The game was about being fun, not about making it to the next level. And Junior B was the launch pad for me to to get to go to university, to get an education, and to set myself up for what would have been the rest of your life, which was, you know, hey, you know, the NHL landed in my lap, wasn't drafted at any level, at any league, at any time. So a guy from Pickering, Ontario, lived next to a nuclear

reactor with eight reactors, the end story, the last chapter was pretty good. First couple chapters were pretty hard. But I guess we made it. what I love hearing and what I go after is A I talk about size because all you ever hear in today's world is you got to be big in order to get and that's what I was told even back in you know I'm 34 so you know through the 90s early 2000 that's all I ever heard but the more guys I interview although that's probably the norm it isn't the rule and then all you ever hear is if you know out west here if you're not playing in the WHL yeah right like you're not going anywhere And yet, then you have Corey's story, how he got there.

I had Dave Drozinski on at one point. You know, he didn't have a long career in the NHL, but his story is just as mesmerizing how he gets to the NHL. And you just go, it's probably, you know, just let the kids have fun. And if they have fun, they're going to find ways to get better and continue to push it. And if they're going to get there, they're going to get there. And if they're not, they're not, right? Certain kids are McDavid at age three or Tiger Woods at age three, right?

There's those. but those are far fewer than people think. Yeah, and as salaries have escalated, there just seems to be this intoxicating way of our parents saying, what do we have to do to get this kid in the NHL, right? Do we need a face-off coach? We need a skills coach. We need a skating coach.

I look at the Leafs today. I mean, they're practicing today behind me. And they have more coaches on the ice than they have players. It's like, how much can you coach a kid, right? The game is very simple. When we were kids and we would go to hockey tournaments. And, you know, the one thing we love to do, well, we love to throw our parents in the pool. And it was always the same parent that knew he was going to get thrown in the pool,

that we thought we were doing this. He didn't know. And then we find out later, like he'd dressed for success. He knew he was going in. So it was like, okay, here we go. Love that. That was the best part of going away for some of the tournaments. And then the other thing was playing with the little mini sticks in the hall.

So you'd roll up a sock or a ball of tape. And so if you break the game down to me, it's pretty simple. I've got a little mini stick. You've got a mini stick. Who wants that ball more or a sock more? Me or you. And if I want it more, I win the game. There's that intangible side of the ledger that you can't define in the size, the weight.

You just have to look at Wayne Gretzky and say, why is this guy smarter than any player who ever played the game? You can't measure that. Certainly not the biggest, not the strongest, but man, he was the best. There wasn't anybody better than Wayne. And likewise, when you go down the list, you know, Mark Messier, who, gosh, what a career he had, he had one goal his first year. His first shift in his first professional game, he had a breakaway and he hit the post.

And he didn't score a goal for like 34 or 36 more games. he got the pocket center dumped it in went to change the crowd went crazy he didn't even see his first goal going what makes mark what makes him a great leader what makes him the player that he is the intangible side of the ledger for all of the great players or players that make it whether it's Cory Cross or any other guy it's that it's larger than life and you can't measure it and so we fail to to look at that when we look at players everything has to be analytically defined you know, how quick could you do the speed test and how long is your broad jumping? Could you bench press 150 pounds if that's the body weight that you have to bench press?

None of that matters when I take a mini stick and a sock and we roll it up and I want that more than you do. If I want it more than you, I win. And that typically is the way. But again, not a measurable analytic for most of the scouts or most of the parents or most of the coaches. It's just something that just evolves. I bet if you put down a few of us in a little mini-skick game, even at our age, that would be a bloody affair. I'm going, I wonder if I could get the sock away from Glenn Healy this morning. I'd certainly like to try. And I don't think it'd be as easy as I think.

You know, you should watch it because they really don't have any elective surgeries for stitching or anything. We can't even go to hospital with COVID-19. So it wouldn't be a good thing. We do have some glue here at the house. We're happy to use it for you. But honestly, it is that compete level, right? I think Pac-Quinn said it to me best. He said, you know, we're like a triangle. And you've got knowledge, which a Gretzky had, I mean, his knowledge of the game, incredible.

He'd go to a spot and the puck would come to him and you'd be like, how do you know that? Like, we're playing with Kreskin, right? I mean, amazing. And then there's skill. And God gives us that. And for some of the guys, that side of the ledger is enormous, right? Incredible skill.

but the base of the triangle, as Pat Quinn used to say, was that intangible side of the ledger. And that's non-defined. And you can have all the skill in the world, but if you're not willing to compete, if you're not willing to go into a corner first, then you really don't have much of a chance. And, hey, Ted Lindsay said it best to me when you talk about going into the corners and competing for a puck. He said to me, I like going in the corners, Glenn. And I thought, well, I'm a goalie. I mean, what does that mean? Why would you like going in the corners?

Because I could tell right away when I go into the corner with another player if I'm going in with a chicken shit or a man. And I could tell immediately. And so he, you know, his advice to me was in life on and off the ice, going to the corners. Don't be a chicken shit. It was really good advice. Now, I did say those words at his funeral.

Probably not wise to say that in a Catholic church. But I did. And then Yvonne Cornay, who spoke after me, he got up and he went, oh, good, good show, chum, good show. I never went in the corners. I was a chicken shit when I went in the corners with Ted. So he beat me to the punch. Here we go. But I think that's a good rule to live by, right?

It's that intangible side of the ledger, that compete, that is, that's enormous. And if you can, you can find a way to want something more than someone else, you're probably going to get it. man i i've probably said this to several guys who've come on here but man what it would have been like to have had uh 10 lindsay still with us to sit across like this and and pick his brain that's what i love about this i get to pick all right you guys have just seen an experience so much you know like as a fan you read about certain things but to have like your brain you sit across and like just interact like this man this is uh i won't soon forget this you know when my kids get older. I've got three kids four and under. And when they get older, hopefully I'm still

doing this, Glenn. But if I'm not, goddamn, it's fun to sit here and just hear you break it down that way. And certain guys can break it down way better. But even the life advice of right now and going through what we're going through, especially in the West, especially in Lloyd Minster, to not be afraid of the corners. That's something, you know, a Skip Craig, a guy from Lloyd, I've spoken very highly about him. I really enjoy Skip. He played for the Bruins back in the day in the Buffalo Sabres. And he said something that has stuck with me from the very beginning. And he was like guest 10 on this thing. He said, hockey mirrors society. And he was, because I'd asked him, you know, are you frustrated with how the games changed? Because, you know, you guys played in what

certain people would call the glory days, right? It was tough hockey, but everybody respected one another and and you go along with it. And he just, he just put it very, hockey mirror society. And so back then that's the way of the world and the world has changed and hockey's mirroring that. And the longer it goes, the more I go, man, that makes a lot of sense. Well, you know, the great thing too about Ted, and I'm sitting here with my alumni shirt on, right? So it says honor the past. And that's our mission statement. That's what we do. And I look at Ted, and I look at, he gave up his career for other players.

You know, when you got traded to Chicago, when he got traded to Chicago, that was a death sentence. Like the team stunk. It was not Detroit. It was not Toronto. Was it Montreal who made the playoffs for 50 straight years? It was a way of punishing you. And he gave all that up to start a players association that fought for the rights of current players today that you may. may have on or may not have on your show, but he paved the roads that I drove on. And I think I paved the roads that the current players get to drive on to make a very healthy wage to set themselves and their families up, which, you know, fantastic. That's the way of the world, but honor the past is most important to me.

The second thing Ted did, which was incredible, the pensions of the guys that played in the 60s and 70s are despicable. they're lousy. You know, a pension of a Gordy Howell would have been 7,000 Canadian per year. So you're halfway to Disneyland, right, because Disney trips about 14 grand. So if you want to spend it all on one trip, you got no money left. But with Pat Flatley, Ted Lindsay set out to make the pensions. And it wasn't a pension.

It was a gifting, supplemental gifting, better in 2005. And so for the past 16 years because of Ted and Pat Lately's hard work, I was part of the meeting, but certainly wasn't the impetus for this happening. The NHL and the NHLPA have improved the, we're not calling it a pension, the gifting of players so that their ability in post-retirement is, you can afford medical, you can afford medicine versus food. It just makes life a little bit better tomorrow than today. And again, Ted, years after his retirement, He was there and I was with him at the NHLPA office and he walked in and talked to Bob good now and it was it was another legacy moment for Ted. And all of that is about honoring the past and making sure that the guys that didn't have the money that we had when we played or the current guys have that their life is a little bit better tomorrow than today.

So he never stopped giving. He was always about helping somebody else. And I admire that about Ted and about a whole group. of them that really stepped up when it mattered the most because I know it really matters. And Ted was a guy who, you know, he again started a player association with literally six owners, I think one of them owned four of the team. So good luck with that one. They weren't exactly a friendly lot, so to speak. But he made a change for me and my family. And when I went to Ted's funeral, I stopped in front of my house and I looked at it and I went, Ted, thank you. I wouldn't

be living here if it wasn't for you just because you made a difference for me. And I think every player should look at it that way. He was an incredible soul. That's a cool story. I appreciate you sharing that. I'm a, I graduate with a degree in history. I don't use it a whole lot. But when I, when I get to do things like this, you certainly, cue on the curiosity, so to speak. You mentioned your dad and mom actually immigrated from Scotland after the war. Did you ever talk to him about the war years? No, he never spoke about it, right? He, none of them did, right? He was, it just, it was not part of the conversation, right? And he was in a elite British fighting unit, the SAS, which was, you know, kind of the green berets. And then, and actually, after the war ended,

stayed on and was doing peacekeeping in Palestine. And then the King David Hotel was blown up. Yeah. And that was it. Britain pulled out of Palestine and said, we're out. And then that was the moment you decide, okay, how can I make a better life for my family that I'm going to have? And so that Canada was the place to be. Now, I would have recommended a place other than Pickering, which has eight nuclear reactors.

I would have, you know, I mean, Lloyd Minster. I mean, come on. there's got to be something better than you know i the positive if i kick the ball i at least one side of the fence it wouldn't go over because the fence was 13 feet high there's the reactors hey hopefully there's not an implosion today uh but you know no they again there was never talk of it it just it was a part of their life that they probably didn't want but they they had to take part in and and make a difference. and built a world for us that is, in my mind, Canada is the best country in the world.

And if you don't think it is, just take a trip down to the meth lab they have down south of the 48th and go, that's what they're doing down there. So I think, you know what? Great pick, best country in the world and the best people anywhere that you could ever find. But never a spoken word about the war. It just was a necessary evil. got through it, got the right result from it, and my life has been pretty damn good since. No, that's fair. I get to, I've been working on a project with the city of Lloyd where I get to

interview people. He's read all the war books. Well, that's, well, no, he's fallen asleep in the first nine pages, right? Got through chapter one, which would be Poland. So if you want to know anything about Poland, he's gotten through that. The Russia thing later on, you know, just the American thing, did they take part or not? Give them 10 years and he'll get through it. So you weren't drafted. You weren't taken in the NHL draft. Did you have, how do you end up in L.A.?

Well, I was lucky in the sense that, you know, we were playing in the CCHA final. We played a team Bowling Green, which was the top team in the country. And they were stacked. They won the championship that year. They were the NCAA champions. And we played them in the kind of the first round of that championship. And they out shot us by no less than 50 shots. So it was a one-sided game. And Rogie Vashon at the time, he had Gary Galley and Dave Ellet as part of his group. And so he came to watch Gary Galley and see whether Gary was going to be part of the LA Kings. And for whatever reason, I had a game that I've never had since. And Rogie looked down at the ice and said, sign him. Okay, there you go. So they just walked in and

said, hey, Glenn, you want to come play for the LA Kings? L.A. Kings. So I, you know, were you absolutely floored? Well, in some ways, you know, I mean, just never knew where it was going to take you. I looked at university. I had two degrees. I had one in marketing and one in finance and thought, you know, if you learn, you earn. So I have a job. So it was like no pressure. If I don't make it, I don't make it.

I mean, lots don't. We all pretend that we're going to make it. And like you, I was, you know, if I had only been four inches taller, I would have made it. I've heard that from you. Quite frankly, you're full of shit, not a chance. Take the piano off your back. you know, I have a chance too, right? So anyways, and then there's, you know, going in the corners.

If you were a chicken shit, you would have went in the corners. But I don't want to bring that up either. But no. So it was just a matter of fucking Tuesday morning getting harassed by Glenn Healy. What more can a guy ask for? Yeah, living the dream. Anyways, the bottom line was just a matter of going as far as you could see. And I could see it a little further.

I got to camp. I still remember signing my. my contract and was at the hotel in Toronto at the airport and Pat Quinn and Rogie Batchan and all their scouting staff was there for me to sign my contract. I walked in and they're all smoking cigars. You can't even see in the room. It's just like, and I'm thinking to myself, this is the NHL. Like, you know, what about that pure, Christine, you know, oh, too much caffeine's bad for you

or no alcohol and smoke and cigars and scotch and sign my contract? and then the journey began. We had an older team. We were rebuilding older goalies. And so the door was open for a young kid to have a chance to make a mark. And when the opportunity came, I again took advantage of it. And it worked out pretty good. It led to a career of 16 years, which, you know, I was done after 12.

I just didn't want to send a memo to the NHL because I was happy with the paychecks. but it was a long career that started with one game against Bowling Green. It turned out to be a pretty damn good game. And then from there, it was okay. Let's see where this goes. I got to throw another Lloydminster name out to you then. It would have been your first year in L.A. Does John Paul Kelly ring a bell?

Yes. Yeah, JP would sit. I don't think he would take his helmet off until he had six beers after the game. So you'd sit on a chair in the locker room, and trust me, back then we didn't have the arenas and locker rooms and facilities we had today. It was an incredible thing where you had like a bucket of beer in the locker room, another bucket of beer by the weight room, because who doesn't want to work out with the beer? Another bucket of beer by the shower, and then another one by where you put your clothes on.

And then anywhere near JP, there was another bucket of beer. And so by the time you made your way up to the forum club, it's where all the celebrities would hang out. If you weren't bombed, you were almost next to it because it was like, yeah, we'll ride the bike. Here we go. Nothing like ride the bike with a cold one. But that was the way it was.

And then, boy, did it come to a screeching halt. Now it's coconut water and a whole bunch of healthy things. And I don't know. I don't know if there's less injuries today than we had. I know we had a lot more fun, but that being said, yep, JP, and then the helmet would come off and it'd be like, okay, he's finished his couple libations and it's time to get at it in the next round, which would have been by the shower and then by the weight room and then at the dressing room and then by where you put your clothes on. So it was a long, long journey to finish a game. playing in L.A. You mentioned going upstairs to where the

Slebs were. Even before Gretzky got there then, there was Slebs kicking around that were hanging around with the team and... Yeah, not really, marginally. You know, when Wayne got there, and it was a shock that he got there.

I mean, you're looking at a team that had, I mean, we had Tiger Williams, we had Larry Playfair, we had Jay Wells, we had Dean Kennedy. There wasn't a tougher team in the league, J.P. Kelly. Take us on. Good luck to you.

Not a chance. You send over four. We could send over eight. No problem. And then Wayne gets to the team. And you think about it, Wayne at the time was the best player in the planet. He had won four cups in five years.

And, you know, I can recall meeting Bob McKenzie in Pickering, outside of a, there was a one meat store. You could buy some good stakes. and looking back on it now, they weren't even really good. And he said, yeah, you're going to go to the press conference? And I was like, for what? Wayne Gretzky's coming to L.A. No, he's not.

Wayne Gretzky? Yeah, he's coming to L.A. Okay, all right, good one. Bob's usually not wrong. And sure enough, four days later, press conference. And there's Wayne Gretzky putting on an L.A. King's sweater. And that changed everything for us. We became the team that you didn't want to watch,

the team of non-recorded, the team of you want to record. And the very first time we had Meet the Kings. We used to do it in, you know, just a random restaurant in Sepulveda or Culver City, wherever it may be, just a normal place. And then it became Meet the Kings in Beverly Hills. And we had Ronald Reagan show up. We had John Candy, clearly.

We had Paul Anka and Neil Diamond singing it. It was just the who's who of everybody. And I recalled, you know, driving, I had a black Ford escort with no air conditioning in, in L.A. That was my car of choice. And I had Paul Gay and Paul Fenton and Lyle Fair, all of us driving to meet the Kings. And you pull up and they had all the paparazzi, you know, lined up to take pictures of the celebs. And we got out of our black fort escort. And you could hear the shutter of the cameras, you know, the ch-ch-ch, and they quickly stopped.

and I could hear one of the reporters going, who the fuck are they? Well, we're the players? I don't know. So at the end of the day, that was the way it was in L.A. And we went from having maybe four games televised, which was great for our players

because you could commit any atrocity in the league, and there would be no videotape of it, so no suspension, to having every game televised. You couldn't get a ticket. You couldn't get a seat. And one player changed our team. We went from a mediocre bottom feeding team with no chance of any success to one of the best teams in the league.

It's one player and one trade. What's Grexie like then? You know, we've talked a little bit about him being the best. And I just, the reason I ask it like that is you got to see, by the time I'm old enough to remember Grexky, he's not a bad hockey player, but he's slowing down. you got to see grexky like peak form grexie so when they introduced the team the very first night they went um out numerical right number one number two number three number all the way down so i i but i was number 35 so you know i was one of the last guys kind of get to get to get to the blue line and then uh they announced all of our kind of records and awards and accomplishments and

So for me, it was just, you know, and number 35, Glenn Healy. There really wasn't much behind that. There was no, there was no haggis and meat behind that. Just number 35. Get to the blue line stop and let's get on with the next guy. And Wayne was about to follow. And they went through his records. And as they announced each record, most goals, most assists, most points.

Most, most, most crowd got louder and louder and louder. And it was, I mean, two times when, three times when I heard a crowd this loud. One was when they announced Wayne. Second was when he went back to Edmonton for the first time. And the third, when we won the Cup with the New York Rangers, the first time we stepped on the ice for game seven. Those are the three crowd responses that I will always remember. But they announced Wayne and the records one after another.

And it seemed like a three and a half minute soliloquay, right? just what he had accomplished. And then he came on the ice. I think he was a little bit nervous, right? First time in a different sweater. And then he went out on his first shift, on his first shot, and scored a goal. And then when we beat Edmonton that year in the first round of the playoffs, in the game seven, we went to seven.

His first shift and his first shot, he scored a goal. And then the empty net, you could guess who got it. to solidify Bubi Edmonton, Wayne Gretzky. Like you don't make this up. Like how do the greats write this? They just do it.

They just do. And for him, he just, there was, like, nobody could contain him. You know, when we played against him

and he would get behind the net in his office, right? Remember the office? Oh, yes. And it was, okay, here's what we'll do. You ready? Don't tell anybody.

Send one guy behind the net to get them. Four points. All right. Didn't work. We'll send two guys behind the net to get them. Okay. Four points. Okay. You got a new game plan. Nobody goes. Just stay where you are. Okay. Five points. Like, unstoppable. Unthinkable. It just, there was no chance that anybody was going to stop him from doing what he was out to accomplish. I read a stat the other day that if he played from the they retired for another 16 years. So 16 more years, which would be a hell of a long career. And he never got a point in any of those 16 years, like not one point in his last.

So he plays 16, no points in the next 16. He still would have had a point a game as a player. There isn't a player in our game today who gets a point a game. So the numbers are irrefutable, simply the best. And a normal guy in every way, like, no, errors, just your typical Canadian kid from Ontario, cares about his family, cares about his kids, cares about his father, his brother, and cared about everybody that played on the team. It was a great experience to have a chance to watch it firsthand. So what do you say to all the people that

say if Ovechkin or Crosby or whoever were playing back in that era, they would trounce Grexie? Yeah. Put the bottle down because clearly you've had too many. Or in this country, maybe it's a gummy. I don't know. Put the gummies down. No. Again, I played against him.

I played with him. I played with him at the start. I played with him at the end. And unfortunately, in our life, something comes along that will never come along again. And if it's in music, it's the Beatles. You know, is every one of their songs a hit? Rolling Stones, you know, and Gretz, when he puts skates on, simply magic.

There's nobody like him. And yeah, you can make that argument. Go ahead. Go to Lloydminster, sit in the bar, get yourself a double and try to make sense of the fact that, yes, you know what? Wade Redden would have contained him. Ask Wade, no chance. Well, you know, when I said, when I said, I got to see him closer. to the end of his career and he'd slowed down a bit.

You kind of gave me a look of like, I don't know about that. You got to see him at the beginning at the end. You played with him. What did you think towards the end? Well, you know, hey, father time does take care of us all. It does. You know, the problem we have as players is when we are 18 and we start playing, they're 20, 21.

We prepare for games the same way. I put my left skate on first all the time. and then my right, my left pad, then my right pad. And we never really see ourselves for what we really are. And we all think of ourselves at 34, 35, 36 is the same as we were at 18. We're not. I mean, playing all those games, all the playoff games, winning the Cups, Canada Cups, World Championships, Olympics.

It just takes a wear and tear on you that, I mean, we're time capsules. It's just the way it goes. But even at the end when, you know, Wayne was older, even at the end, when I was older, we were okay to watch. Wayne was better than okay. He still was, I would, if I'm, if you're going to ask me for $100 for a ticket, 100 bucks. And you're to say, you want to watch me, David or you want to watch Wayne?

Today, you asked me games this afternoon at 3 o'clock. I don't know where your $100 would go. I know where mine would go. I'll put my Gretzky $100 up against your McDavid. And I love Connor. And he is one of the best players in the world, top two. You could argue whether it's Sid or at him, it's Ferrari or Lamborghini. But I would still take my $100 and watch Wayne one more time.

I would watch him one more time in an alumni game. And I think those suck. And I'm running the alumni. So there's my $100. That's where I'm going to spend it. I tell you what, I'll, I'm going to go off the board then. If we're going to spend 100 bucks, I'm a defenseman, and I didn't get ever watch Bobby Orr play. And I've heard, you know, I've had Cheever's is another goal I've had on and him talk about watching Bobby firsthand.

And I just had Don on yesterday and talking about coaching or and all the stories of Bobby Orp in much. Did he? What? He coached him. Oh. that's like coaching Santa. No. Christmas Eve, he gets in a sleigh and off he goes.

You know, coach Bobby Orr. Bobby just goes on what he wants and creates and fills a canvas. You and I, as a defenseman, goalie, okay, we painted the barn. He painted a Picasso. You didn't coach Bobby Orr. Love grapes. But, hey, you're not coaching Bobby Orr. Sorry to interrupt.

No, but you make my point very clear. My hundred bucks would go to watch that guy when he's, you know, winning his norruses, like his, what was it, eight norruses? Well, only in a row, that's it. That's it. You know, not a big deal, right? Like, my favorite memory as a kid growing up is watching a clip of him on Rockham Sockham that has him embarrassing the flames on a penalty kill.

And my brain, even at a young age, understood on a penalty kill, why won't they chase him? Oh, because if they do, he's down the other end. He tucks it home and puts his head down, right? Like, that's where my hundred bucks would go. And that's no knock on the great one or McDavid. I mean, McDavid can watch McDavid right now in his heyday. And it's a lot of fun. Like the guy is ridiculously talented. And I think I said it. It's a Lamborghini or a Ferrari. Right. Which one you want to drive. Right. It's not the Black Ford escort that I drove in L.A. with no air conditioning. These are, this is rarefied air for these guys. And you're right. When you look at Bobby's records and you look at what he accomplished and how we revolutionized the game, how we made it for a Paul coffee to become, you know, it was unheard of that a defense would jump in the rush. My gosh, you can't do that because we were over coach.

Stay back. Just wait for them to come back to you. Bobby thought way better to have the puck than go get it. Right. So when I get it, I ain't giving it up. I was going to play around and do whatever I want. But you know, you look at him, you look at a Nick Lidstrom, you look at those kind of players. They only come along every once in a while.

And when they do, it's worth the price of admission. And for Wayne or Mario or Mark, you know, the very few guys that when they came into the league, did they make that impression on all of us coast to coast to coast? But they did. And yeah, I mean, hey, if I managed to make. a hundred more dollars today. I'll sit beside you when you're watching Bob. That's fair. You know, you talk about some, well, we just rattled off some great defensemen, personal favorite, even though he didn't ever played for my team with Scott Niedemeyer.

I always thought that guy, yeah, he could just, he was so fast in and out and in and out, that amazing. But the year you guys win the Stanley Cup in New York, I, well, maybe this gets talked about and I just, my ears are closed when I, but when I looked into it, Sergey Zuboff led your team in scoring that year. And, you know, you think about it, the very start of the year, you know, when you play in New York, we live north of the city. So to get into the city, you got to cross like three time zones, 18 different traffic zones. It was hard to get into the city. And so we had an exhibition game and Zubi decided, you know what, I don't go to the game tonight. I'm going to stay home and watch it on TV. And Mike Keenan got whiff of that and was not very happy. And so when Zuby came into the rink the next

morning, his equipment wasn't hung up in a stall. It was packed in a bag and he was on his way to Binghamton. So he spent the first part of that year in the miners. And then we realized that, you know what, Mike, not everything you do about crippling human spirit and taking the will of people away is right. And maybe Zubov should be back on the team. And so he called them back up. And so on that year, spending the start of the year in the minors, Zubov came up. And really, the crazy thing is we only played four defense. You know, you had Kevin Lowe with Zuboff. And you had Jeff. Brian. Yeah. Brian Leach. Those are our four.

And then when we got up to a big lead, which we did through most of that year, and we were done at the end of two periods, then all of a sudden we could release the army of defensemen five and six. You know, your Doug Lidster's, your Jay Wells. Okay, now it's your turn to play. And so we played that whole year with 4D. And when it came to a power play, it was Leach and Zuboff. They played the entire power play, a left shot, a right shot,

one on that board and the other. on that board and it was like rover rover come on over and the further you went away from the house the better chance we had those crossing passes to give it to the you know the adam graves and the mark messiers and whoever played on that particular power play with him so uh incredible skill he's in the hall of fame so when you when you get put it in the hall of fame not the lloyd minster one because that one's hard to get it but it certainly is yeah uh like for for zuby to do what he did And again, that's a great trivia question because everyone would have expected, you know, Adam Graves, who set a record that your most goals ever by a ranger, ever.

And there were some great players to play with the rangers, great players. He had the most goals ever. Nope, didn't lead the team in scoring. Best leader ever. Nope, didn't lead in team and scoring. And it was a guy you would never pick. But skilled, intelligent, and, you know, full of courage. You know, everyone talks about Russian players aren't as tough.

Bullshit. We had five of them, and they were all as tough as nails. Well, we can't talk about the Rangers. I'm sure you get asked about this all the time. But the guarantee, like Mark Massier saying we're going to win. Did everybody just, I mean, I know he's like one of the all-time or maybe the all-time leaders. I don't know in a locker room. But when he says that, I assume guys just went, yeah, all right, let's roll.

with this. But now guys try and do it in, it doesn't matter if it's hockey or other sports. And it just kind of feels like, I don't know. But when Mark said it, was it just like, here we go? Well, there's, there is no leader in any sport, football, baseball, basketball, like Mark. He is it when it comes to leadership. And I would challenge anybody in any sport to name me somebody else. He, you know, clearly was, was the captain of our ship. And when came to that particular game. I do recall getting on the bus. You know, I was back in the day when you actually bought a paper. You know, we weren't just sitting on your phone. You know, we, none of us had phones. So we weren't online. We weren't digitally checking this out. It was like the physical form of a paper.

And the headline was, we will win. And, you know, a part of it was, you know, probably Mark going, oh my gosh, well, I told the reporter that I believe in our team and we are going to win. What did you expect him to say. No, we have already booked our vacation. So get all your questions in this morning because I won't talk to the media tonight because I'll be done and I'll be on a jet and I'll be gone to the Dominican wherever. No, of course he believed in his team and he believed in us and he believed we would win. And I did too. I mean, I wasn't playing and I believe we were going to win because I thought we were so damn good from day one at training camp all the way through to that game that was an elimination game. Now, did I start to regret it and think about that decision

with a minute and 30 left to go in the second period? And we were down two nothing to the New Jersey Devils who played the 05, which was like, you never forechecked past the blue line. You just waited at the red line and said, Rover, rover, we call the Rangers over. It was the most boring hockey going until Kovilov scored. I didn't believe it. And then he scored and it was okay. And then for Mark to go out in the third period, down to one, and score three goals by himself and win it. Again, these are the storybook endings that only the greats can write. And, you know, again, the guy who does the story is not the guy who writes the headline. Two separate parts of the media.

So the guy who wrote the headline, boy, was he going to sell papers with, we will win, right? Three simple words, but we're reading. at us here. How many years later are we in? Then you're still talk about it. We're still talking about it. So I believe we're going to win. And if Mark says we're going to win, we're just honestly, pull up the truck and we're getting on, pull up the bus and we're getting on. And so probably a little bit more pressure that he wanted to put on himself. But you score three in the third, he delivered. He delivered it all. And his first goal in that third period, I think he put the puck, He put Bernie Nichols.

He put everything in the net. So it was like, is there anyone else want to get on the back of my hockey stick? Because I'll throw you in the net with the puck and Bernie Nichols and whoever else wants to go. Yeah. And then to score an empty netter from 190 feet. Okay. There's sharp shooting at its best. So Mark was the best leader and one of the best teammates I ever played with.

Well, I could hold you on here for the next probably five hours and do this. this because I've certainly enjoyed it. I want to move us into the final five. And then what I'm going to try and do is I'm going to harass you again in the new year to get you on for part two, because this has been highly, highly entertaining for me. I'm sure the people are going to enjoy the hell out of it. But five quick questions, crude master final five. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald, huge supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. The first one is always, if you could sit down for a beverage or a conversation like this to pick anyone's brain, who would you take, Glenn?

anybody at any time. Correct. I'll take Jesus. There'll be some pretty good stories they get from him. You realize in 100 and you're going to be episode 140. And that is the second time Jesus has come up. Ruben Mays was the other guy. He's got a pretty interesting story.

I don't know if you've heard about it. I don't know. He might have more stories than me. Just saying, but I'll pick his brain. and as we approach Christmas. What better time? Better guy to get on my podcast. Oh, I don't have one.

Maybe he can work that out for me. I don't know. If that's my first guest, might be well anticipated and much attended. Yeah. Commissioner for a day, if you could change a rule or implement a rule, what would you do?

As a goalie, as a player, as a coach, you know, I like the, game. I don't know if I would change anything. To me, we're in a good space. Maybe, maybe, maybe ban Pierre McGuire from between the benches. If I could make a rule, would that be okay? Sure. I got to be honest. I don't know how many fans would be like, yeah, yeah, we're going to miss that. I would be it. I love the game, but if you just, you know, even put the cone of silence down just for a moment and then watch it, and then not know that you're from Lloyd Minster and I'm from Pickering and here's it. Do you think anyone in the States cares where people are from in Canada?

I mean, I think we're covered in snow all year long. They didn't have a clue about us. So there would be my rule. There we go. Commissioner for the day. Bagpipes. For people who don't realize, you play the bagpipes. Yeah.

Where has been, I don't know, most memorable. We'll go with memorable place you've played. the bagpipes for the listeners. I can't name one, so can I name a couple? Certainly. Okay. On stage with Paul McCartney, playing Mullicentire. Pretty cool.

At the Air Canada Center, I didn't really get to play much. Curtis Joseph played all the games. So I actually got to play at the Air Canada Center, but it was with Paul McCartney. So that was pretty cool. I would say Carnegie Hall, the first year after 9-11, we put on a concert. And for all of the families and the victims of that tragedy. walking on the stage of Carnegie Hall in a full building, the acoustics, again, it's where you leave your body and it's like, wow, is this really happening?

It's almost like that scene from the Matrix where, you know, it's like just kind of makes its way across. And then I would say Vimy Ridge, probably when we did the 90th re-commemoration, and just knowing that that was the birthplace of a nation for our country. to do something that no other country could do, which is take the ridge and turn the fate of World War I and looking at all the names on the gravestones. And I mean, trust me, the kids were 17 and 16 and 15 and they made it so that we could have that freedom to finish the piping at Vimy and go and have a beer in the center square. And then probably the last, where Corey Cross was with me,

the victory parade for vimy went through this town called iras and a small little town and again like most European towns they have a city square and the queen was there the prime minister was there the president was there and they stopped us before we went in and we had all the Canadian RCMP horses with the Canadian flag kind of shaved on their rear ends their rumps and they waited and they said Mr. Healy just wait for a second and we waited for the other bands to leave the center square, and it was absolutely chock-a-block full. And the announcement was, ladies and gentlemen, Canada. And the place went crazy.

That moment, I'll never forget and never be more proud of the people that fought and made it for our great nation. But when they told me there was going to be the number of people there, I was in disbelief. And as we came down the street, and there was 60, and 10 deep and 20 deep and 30 deep. But when we went into that center square with the announcement of Canada, that was something special.

So I won't forget that. You should have started with bagpipes. Holy frig. Well, I know we're round two starting. Round two of this thing is going to start with your bagpiping career. Wow. One quick story, too. When we were there, you couldn't buy a drink.

So I was, I couldn't drink a drink. I had no hands, right? It was like, so can someone give me a straw? Give me a straw, please. And there was a lady in one of the windows, older lady, really old. And she was calling us up. And, okay, me, so up we go. And she had a spread set up with champagne and cheese and all of the accompaniments.

And she was a five-year-old girl in that window when the actual victory parade went through. and she's given me like a clock and a pocket watch. I'm like, I never fought. I'm just a good bagpiper. That's all I am. But to be that little girl in that window and to still be living there and to watch the 90th recommemoration, you know, pretty special. So I've had some special moments.

What started off is dredgery when my parents made me play it when I was a kid to the places I've got to go around the world. bag pipes are pretty cool. So anyone who says don't play them, they sound lousy and they only know one song, you're full of shit. She's letting you know. That's pretty cool.

We are definitely starting there the next time around. Wow, that's bagpipes of all things. Rangers are leaves. You've played both original six. I know you won the cup with the Rangers, so maybe it's a loaded question. But both original six places, both mechas of their given.

countries, the Leafs is the center of the hockey world. What was the market? Which one? I would pick the team that has a Stanley Cup picture in color. I'm going to go with the Rangers. With the Rangers. Okay. I desperately wanted to come to Toronto to do what we did in New York, which was

a race 54 years of misery. And in New York, we had three generations of Brainship fan that never saw a championship, grandfather, father, son. And when we erase that, to this day, almost 28 years later, still don't buy a drink there. It's still a magical place to be. They still remember. And I wanted to do that in Toronto. And we were close, but we fell short.

It is a hard trophy to win. It's the hardest 35 pounds you'll ever lift over your head. And we didn't get it done in Toronto. Got it done in New York. So for those guys, we'll walk together forever based on what. we did. Your final one. If you could pick a goalie to either have relieve you or relieve them, you get to work in tandem for a year. Who would you take? I would take Johnny Bauer. I'm going to take 20 for a couple of reasons. I think he would be one of my best teammates. And, you know,

the third goalie would be Curtis Joseph or Mike Richter. You know, maybe we put both them in the minors and we call them up periodically. But just incredible teammates. and Johnny was underrated. He didn't get to play with the teams that Jacques Blount played with. He didn't get to play with the best of the best where every defenseman went to the Hall of Fame. Pretty much every Ford went to the Hall of Fame. The whole team went to the Hall of Fame.

Johnny didn't have that. And when he won the Cup the last time, and I watched it as a five-year-old, he was playing with a bunch of 40-year-old husbands and delivered. And to me, he is, he's your ultimate teammate, caring, giving soul, and I'd have them on my team any day. Well, I appreciate you hopping on, Glenn. This has been a lot of fun. I'm welcome to come on any time, as you have told me. The honorarium, the $40,000 you paid me for the show.

Could you please send the amount? I'm happy to help. Again, you keep doing what you're doing. I think, you know, in this time of COVID where we feel this real sense of isolation and we feel this real sense of the lack of structure in our day, right? I mean, how many days can you wear a sweatpants in a row and then look at your closet and go, those are suits. I used to wear those. Remember those days? We need this and you're delivering. And so keep it up. Please, you're doing a great job.

Thanks, Glenn. Hey, folks. Thanks again for joining us today. If you just stumble on the show and like what you hear, please click subscribe. Remember, every Monday and Wednesday a new guest will be sitting down to share their story. The Sean Newman podcast is available for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever else you find your podcast fix. Until next time.