Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #149 - Ken Rutherford & Tanner Applegate

Episode Date: February 3, 2021

Ken (business owner & professor) & Tanner (Business owner) do a podcast together called "War on Weakness" and in this episode we dive into what is going on right now. Is it just simple COVID things or is it government overreach?    Let me know what you think Text me! 587-217-8500

Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Wednesday. I hope everybody's doing well. Now, I was supposed to have an SMP archive episode come out today. I pushed it until Friday. I sat down with Ken Rutherford and Tanner Applegate Sunday night, and I knew we were going to talk about their podcast, Warren Weakness, and what ended up happening is we ended up talking about a whole lot more.

and I to me any time you talk about current events I want to try and get it out as humanly possible you know as fast as possible and since I'd already had the one coming out Monday with Heath I thought I'd stick this one here on Wednesday and I thought I'd give you a little bit of the back story I mean all of us are living through COVID-19 and we're all living through lockdowns and everything else the thing that has started to really really bother me is if you haven't heard of Nikki Mathis or Rebecca Dick

Nikki Mathis was a lady traveling back from a Texas work trip. She got the wrong COVID rapid test and then gets picked up and has to go isolate and, you know, people can't talk to her or anything else. And she's already had, anyways, it's a long story. Rebecca Dix is the next one. Her and her mother coming back from the U.S. They both end up spending, I believe it's four days in an isolation hotel, which is right beside the Calgary Airport. and I don't want to make it seem like this.

The isolation hotel is like this horrendous thing where they're being beaten and malnourished and everything else. I find it extremely odd. The stories are talking about people being taken, not being told, you know, tell them loved ones where they're going, that kind of thing. And so this is starting to sound off warning bells. in my head and then Rebecca McDonald.

You can go look her up on Facebook. She's got about four or five videos. Her 22-year-old son was coming back from Arizona. And once again, he was carted off and her and her husband weren't told where he was going. And you can just imagine what she's going through. And it just hit me. And as we were walking in to sit down,

all those three are sticking out. And it continues to bother me. I don't know what to do about it. it other than to sit down and have a conversation about said things and it just you know as you do in a podcast you go down some rabbit holes and so I wanted to foreworn the listeners where this one was heading and and I mean it's it's was a fantastic conversation it was really good I think you'd need to do some look in yourself Nikki Mathis Rebecca Dix was on Daniel Smith show she has

about an 18-minute segment where she talks about coming back from the U.S. with your mom and going into these quarantine hotels. Rebecca McDonald has about four or five videos out that you can watch. I should point out, Jason Kenney said, sent a message saying, or put out a message saying, there's a rumor circulating wildly that a woman who arrived at Calgary International Airport was taken to, in quotes, a secret quarantine location by Alberta Health Services. This is false. H.S. has nothing to do with enforcement of international quarantine requirements,

which is all good. And then, so then, you know, my brain goes, you know, this has come out since we did the podcast. My brain goes, oh man, I better do, like, maybe I looked at the wrong thing. Maybe I got sucked into something on social media. And then before I can even get too far down that rabbit hole, the next one comes out, and it's Chris Mathis. So that'd be Nikki's husband commenting to Jason Kenney. going correct it wasn't aHS but you still need to acknowledge that my wife nicky mathis was

taken by force to isolate by the calgary police working with the fed medical officials trying to give a partial truth to save you from eating the words you spoke last month about this never happening in alberta is upsetting and i think that's what's upsetting to me too is and concerning is i got like zero faith in our politicians right now it is like stressing me out and so when i sat down with Ken Rutherford and Tanner Applegate. That's where the conversation went, and we went for a healthy dose, and I look forward to hearing what your guys' thoughts are,

and if you got any feedback, I'd love to hear it. Honestly, I'd love to hear what your guys' thoughts are, and I really hope you enjoy this. If you're under the age of 18, I suggest earmuffs and maybe not going any further. Yours truly, as the perverse, real F-bomb may come out a few times. I was fired up.

That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I'm not going to apologize, but dang, I was, I was, I was fired up Sunday night. So, uh, we're not gonna, we're gonna go right into it. So here it is and, uh, look forward to hearing what you guys have to say about it. All right. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast tonight. I'm joined by, uh, Mr. Ken Rutherford, guest number one, guest number one 32. You're starting to make a run for the most, the guy who's been on here the most.

And then your co-pilot, your co-partner, your co-host, Mr. Tanner Applegate, we talked about you in both podcasts because you're a behemoth. And, well, you guys do the War on Weakness podcast. So first off, thanks for hopping on with me. You bet. Thanks for having a show. We didn't need to clarify something about that last one, though. Oh, okay, yeah, far away.

I don't know which one of you guys said that I looked like a Greek god. No, it was a Roman. Something that looked like a Roman, something. Viking. We'll go to bike. Yeah, because the only thing worse, you could call me other than a Roman would be French. So if I get really pissed at you tonight. Call me a Roman or French.

Half French, half Roman. Well, I guess I want to start with just Tanner. I don't mean quickly because I do nothing quickly on these podcasts, but I'd really like people to kind of get a background of who you are, just so they have an idea of who the other guy in the, in the conversation is. So nobody's had, you haven't been on the podcast before.

So maybe could we just do a brief synopsis of who we are before we kick off in a couple topics? Topics. Yep. Uh, we'll go real brief. I'm from out by where Ken lives. Uh, so north of the river,

as you always say. Um, yeah, I own a couple businesses in town, coffee company and a gym. Um, I'm, half of the War on Weakness team with Kenny here.

Yeah, I don't know. I like podcasts, so this is cool to be on one instead of we usually make one. This is cool. And, yeah, I don't know. I'm really not that interesting. So let's just talk and then we'll see what goes from there. No, I appreciate it. Well, let's start.

Before we get into the heaviness of what's kind of going on right now, because, you know, I was saying off air, me and Ken have. had this discussion on the last one and I think everybody in the back room is talking about COVID and everything that's going on and lockdowns and government and blah, blah, blah, and we'll get into that. But before we get there, you guys have been doing something now for, what has it been? When was your first one? Summer?

Yeah, six months ago. So what are you on to, episode seven now? Seven or eight. We haven't been very prolific with it, but it's coming. But every episode that I've tuned into usually is a bit of a doubt. different topic on some different things, you know, you're trying to understand or maybe bring some awareness to things like nutrition, physical strengths. You had Garrett Tepperon from Fight Farm talking about jiu-jitsu fighting, confidence that comes with that. The one I didn't listen to

is the hunting one. I assume it was good, but I haven't listened to it, fellas. And essentially, just different topics. And I thought maybe we could start there for people who have never heard of the war on weakness podcast. And just, what you're trying to accomplish and some of the fun you've been having. I'd say it's probably different for both of us, Sean, for myself, when Tanner approached me on it. I thought it was a little bit of an interesting journey to take to kind of explore my own weaknesses. And so the war on weakness is basically just that. It's, for me, I'll let Tanner explain it from his perspective, but for me it's maybe about approaching all

all of your weaknesses. And so I guess for me, it would be, if you're going to go on a podcast and talk about something, either A, you've got to be really honest and accountable to say, I'm really weak at this and I want to learn from the person that we're hosting. Or maybe it's something that I'm strong at and we can talk about. But it's been a very, I kind of committed to do it for a year and kind of just do a 360 and aim for the highest version of me that I can be. And maybe some of the skeletons in the closet wrestle with those a little bit.

And then go from there. What about you, Tanner? Not 100% different than that. I like to dive into strength. Obviously, I've been in that industry a long time. But I saw, like, what we're going to talk about today, I saw this coming, oh, seven or eight years ago, I guess. And I've always kind of.

of I always thought, well, you know what? It becomes this kind of pipe dream that, you know, bad things are never going to happen and all this stuff. And as these things started to come to fruition, I figured, okay, so people have nowhere to turn to, well, they do, but nowhere locally to turn to say, okay, am I strong or am I weak? How can I be stronger? How can I be better?

You know, we're in this kind of farming oil field community, kind of this. old boys club and you just kind of shut up and do what you're told in the way you go and you know do your thing and the conversation does come up a little bit more like i see people opening up a little bit more about you know like for me it was kind of this it was more about man becoming man again no offense to the women out there but um so i wanted to attack it that way i have some interesting perspective on things there was things like kenny i wanted to learn i wanted to talk to some people that were strong and see racked our brain. But like I said, I've seen this coming from a mile away,

this thing that's happening right now, because we are weak. We're weak as a society. We're weak as men. We're weak as everything. And I think instead of trying to declare war on the establishment and war on the government, I think the war needs to be on weakness

because I think what we're seeing around us right now is just it's just a product of a bunch of weak victim-minded people. So when we started this, that was always my target was, you know, helping myself become stronger because I'm, I feel weak all the time. But helping other people maybe identify the fact that they're not quite as strong as they think they are and just ways that they can not be such a victim, I guess. So that's the way I like. That's what my interpretation of the podcast is anyway. And it's maybe helped for me personally ground myself a little bit in these uncertain times. I don't know if we're going to rush right into it, but the whole COVID lockdowns, government

restrictions and everything that's happening in recent days here, kind of your brain ends up, at least mine, ends up spinning a million miles an hour. And I flip-flop between being incredibly upset, trying to find reason. And what do I do about it as one little old north of the river boy that's, You know, got my kids at home and coached a bit of hockey and really don't have much of an influence on anybody except for myself and my friends. So I flip-flop between trying to maybe join with a larger cause. And then other times just fall back to myself and say, I just got to be the best version of me that I can be. And it's funny.

Preparing for today, it's good. It's what these podcasts do is you got to kind of your thoughts in order before you jump on and put a mic in your hand. And kind of reread a little bit of Jordan Peterson. Sean, and I'm just going to read it from, he says, don't blame capitalism, the radical left or the inquiry, inquity of our enemies. Don't reorganize a state until you have ordered your own experience. Have some humility. If you cannot bring peace to your own household, how dare you try to rule a city? You know, and I think that's for me is what the war and weakness is get your own house in order. Be strong as an individual.

and if as individuals we can all become strong, you naturally become stronger as a community. So I can really just start with me and shoring up my weaknesses. And I'm not sure if that's the answer to our problems, but Tanner and I talked a little bit on our last podcast is that maybe the political leaders and the decisions they're making are just a reflection of us.

You know, we like to say them, right? They are all this and all of us. of them are this and they're all trying to control us and they're all trying to or maybe it's a reflection of society right and maybe maybe the problem really starts in our own heads and in our own decisions in our own lives and for me it allows me to be sane because if I just make sure I I be a better husband tomorrow than I was today or try to be a better father a better community member maintain my health maintain good food you know do my job to do my job to best of my ability. That allows me to just be a little bit sane because I feel like the world's

going to spin out of control a little bit. So anyways, I don't know. Well, shut up. What do you think, Sean? I don't know. I think we are all wrestling. You know, I struggle with a lot of things. What's going on right now, I struggle with, right? I don't listen to you guys on the way home. And part of it I go, yeah, that makes sense, right? Like, maybe we're all weak. Maybe we need to go raw, Ron the establishment, but at the same time, then you kind of take, I don't know, at the same time, I don't know. And when I listen to both you talk, I think there's, there's gems in what both you say. You talk about us being weak.

Well, that's what good times create. You know, you look back over him, human history. How many years have we never been in a war? I mean, honestly, but if you talk to anyone throughout history where they want to be where we're at, right don't have to worry about barbarians crashing through and burning the village stealing you're chilling killing all the men raping all the women like this sounds pretty damn good and you know we complain about them trying to save more lives now in saying that you can't i mean you can sit there and go on well yeah but then you start seeing what's slowly starting to trickle in

and you know we've we talk we're reading the ghouleg archipelago or you've finished it can Volume one. Volume one. Sorry, volume one of three. And for those who don't know what the Guleg are archipelago is, is Alexander Soljinnitson is a Russian who's in the military, who lives through the Gulegs, which is essentially concentration camps. And he talks about how they slowly but surely start removing people from society.

And pretty soon, like, I mean, there's thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people. these concentration camps and it's just part of their society. And he's got a book that just kind of outlines it. It's pretty unnerving, shall we say? Oh, if you read it, I don't think you could be a human and not have a very, very sick feeling in your stomach. Right. It's firsthand account of himself and people that he's watched being tortured and lied to and

intimidated and killed. Now, to go to your point, I mean, if we're... We all, as people, improved ourselves, that probably means at some point we all draw a line in the sand and go, listen, I've improved myself and I've decided that I've read and done X, Y, Z. Here's my line.

I'm not going past us. And certain people are starting to show that. I think, you know, I was talking about before we started Bashaw, the restaurant that said, like, listen, I'm staying open. And now we're talking about the government of Alberta starting to lift some restrictions

because what are they going to do? They're going to start shutting down the little restaurant and bash hot, there'd be, I'd tell you what, there'd be some shit storm over that. Oh yeah. And so instead they're loosening it. And so I see both sides of the coin.

Do I have the answers? No, I don't think anyone does right now. If everybody in North America read Guleg, archipelago, COVID's over tomorrow. You think so? Absolutely. It's scare the shit out of everybody out there. Because it's a layover.

It's the same template, narrative, just a different vehicle. That's it. You know, you know what I wonder is I've just read a couple of quotes and we're all struggling with this, right? And so much we're saying, I don't know the answer to very much actually. But one thing I'm reasoning myself down to is saying I don't know. I know people have lost people to COVID. I know that some people are very scared of it. I know that there's people with cancer that are immune compromised. The numbers I've seen are that if you're elderly and have illness, you know, it could wreak havoc on you. I've got to respect that.

My dad is in that boat. We talked about that last time. But at the same time, what I reasoned out is what I'm not willing to negotiate on is freedom. That's a dangerous one to me. You read Gula Gere-Chapella, we can't mess with this. Yeah, and I should point out, I don't think COVID is a farce. Like, I think there's a lot going on with that, right? But, but there's...

a big butt there. That doesn't mean we all just shudder inside for the next three, four years. Like, I mean, look at what's going. We're into a year now. And the mask thing, whatever, I'm, listen, I'm not going to sit here in Harpawmast. I had a

brother, I swear to God, he had to be one of the first ten guys in Lloyd to wear a mask. I thought he's crazy then. And now I see it, I'm like, well, he knew something, right? And the mask thing's like, whatever. Like, it's, to me, it's whatever. It's the nobody in your house Police can come in your house

Like now we're starting to get on some pretty thin ice Like where it's and I was a guy who said listen Don't worry about this It's a government just trying to Trying to tell you like knock it off But then we had ocean on the ice And my reasonable brain sees both sides And I go, well

You know Maybe he was asking for it Yeah maybe he just got off the ice But then you go But I mean he's fucking playing pond hockey You've shot everything else down. And let's put this in balance. I know it's an overused statement on Facebook,

but he could have took a skates off and walked over to Costco or Walmart. You know, like, I think we can reason with... Hey, Kenny, I was in West Edmont Mall this weekend. Let me be very clear. I was in West Edmonton Mall. It wasn't crazy. It wasn't like there was people falling over people

and no mass or whatever. But there's a lot of people in there. Hillman fucking Rink and Hillman, Saskatchewan, population 15 and add in the dogs and cats and you're at 23 we're not allowed to have more than eight skaters on an ice surface and they all got to be mad ah fuck it just it boggles a guy's mind yeah and then the cops are sent in on ocean and his buddies yeah you know why his name couldn't have been tim i'm sorry ocean you had to have a name like ocean but i mean like the the entire thing

is just i know you can't but not laugh at that right no dude i didn't know that was his name I think it was all. I think it was all three brothers, right? They all three, like it was like, almost sound like nature type of names. They're all high-end hockey players. Did they all play WHL?

I can't be certain on that. They're all in. Mom was, of course, Kenny's got to come in to sound real, you know, come on. They're all nature names, right?

Well, this is the, this is the story of our podcast is me saying stupid shit and Kenny being like, well, you know, well,

yeah, the, I don't know. It's, it's, um, maybe like these times, you think about it, we've had a soft run, right, since into World War II, right? It's been a soft, soft place. Other than that old blueleg thing we were talking about. No, but I mean, since, yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, I'm talking about it in Canada. Oh, Canada. It's talking Canada, North America. We've had a soft run. And thankfully we have like, you got to, you got to give some credence

to the way that society set itself up to be, you know, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to ban slavery and to allow women to vote and to not have war at home here. We got to something, something went right for us to have, have it shake out the way it has. And this is our, to me, this is our generation's time to say,

when that hit, what did you do? You know, when that happened, like this might just all blow over and be gone tomorrow. Or maybe there's a camp outside of every community. And each one of us have lost a family member who's been locked up for, you know,

minimum of 30 days. We couldn't talk to them, couldn't find them. And they had a reason because they sneezed or they didn't get the right test or they didn't get the right vaccination or they didn't have. These are all now things that aren't a pipe dream away. This is 1984, right? Oh, it is. There's another book.

Everyone should read it, George Orwell. That one will create you. That one stings because it's some of his quotes are disturbing. The one of imagine a, what was it? Imagine a society with everybody that has the same face or whatever it is. It's like that one just made the hair stand up on my head or my neck. It's like, well, come on, man. But it shouldn't, like, this is a sight.

Okay, so if you guys had never been to Earth before and you step under Earth and I say, and you come in the middle of the night, and I say, tomorrow morning this huge ball of fire is going to come up in the, in off the horizon. You're going to be like, come on, man. What the hell you're talking about? And then the sun comes up and you're like, whoa, how did you predict? that. It's because it happens every 12 hours, or 24 hours, I guess, on a sunrise. What we're seeing right now is just a cycle of human nature. We have to do this every. Mother Nature learned or

lost its ability to wipe us out a long time ago. We started developing vaccines. We built guns. We did all these things that Mother Nature, so now she can't just kill us through natural selection and predators anymore. So I believe that there's something inside of our heads that does this. Every 80, maybe 100 years, 80 years, I think. Somebody says there's some cycle that every 80 years we basically purge a whole bunch of us.

You know, you can look through all the... I mean, it's not exactly, but... Things are shitty. You go to war. You kill half the planet. Everybody's like, okay, let's not do that. anymore, you know, let's go back to, you know, liking each other and, you know, who cares about gender, color, all this is like, let's just get back to working and being normal. And then what

happens is that starts to wear off. The people that fought the war start to die. Everybody starts to forget and then they start having feelings and they start having, because when there's wars going on, there's no feelings. It's fighting. So then what happens is we start having these feelings and we start actualizing these feelings and everybody starts getting all emotional and all of a sudden it matters that you're mad because my shirt's brown and you're a tyrant

because you don't like my accent and all this stuff and the next thing you know we're fighting and what do we do? We purge each other again. Name me one time in history we've been at this point. 1933. 1933.

We were worried about the color of someone's sure? We're worried about the country. They were worried about. Germans were worried about everybody hating them as a people. Yeah. Because they lost World War I. Yeah. And had some real shitty stuff done to them.

But those were people that were getting stuff done to them that didn't necessarily feel that they should be punished for what their government and what their people had done. Sure. So they developed this victim mentality where they're like, we fucking hate everybody. Because they're taking our money. They're stifling us. They're destroying our country. culture, blah, blah, blah. Adolf Hitler comes along, speaks to them.

And Adolf Hitler, I don't believe, like, from what I've heard of psychologists talk about him and break him down is he's to, I mean, he probably wasn't a great dude. Let's face it, probably a bit of an asshole to begin with, I'm thinking. But he became what Germany wanted him to become. He was the dark, you know, the dark piece of the German psyche that they wanted. wanted revenge on everybody because they felt so oppressed, right? That's exactly what's happening right now. You have these leaders, you know, in Trudeau and Biden, that neither of them, let's face it,

between the two of them, I don't know if they have the IQ of a hot dog, but they've become everything everybody wants them to be. So the left now, or whatever you want to call it, feel so oppressed and they feel so buttered about absolutely everything that happens around them that they're going to hand over the power which we've elected now these two leaders they're going to hand the power over to say take care of this make it right and that's exactly what they're starting to do COVID's just the bus that drives them in but you're watching it in the states they've rewritten the goddamn American constitution in four days essentially well why because the left

his butt hurt. They got their guy. Now he's going to impose his will on everybody that stepped out of line for the last whatever. It just happens over and over and over and over again, I believe, but. I'm struggling like the, I wonder if we shouldn't spend some time thinking about what it felt like to be a Russian that was for communism when it set in. or to read a book from a German who is pro-German. Well, we don't do the thought process. You're, yeah, like, but everybody.

You've got a monarchy who dictates everything. Now everybody's going to be equal. It sounds, it sounds lovely. Communism, in its essence, sounds lovely. I got to be honest, right? Everybody's going to be equal. It's going to be a great little lauddy-da. We're all going to go to work.

We're all going to go home. We're going to have meals. Kids are going to grow up. Everybody's going to be smiles. Communism doesn't work that way. No, so much and... I don't actually... I think it's 250 people.

Is that what I read? I think it's... Communism works up to like 250 people. So like a Hutterite colony? Yeah. It works beautifully. But you... The problem is, once you start getting to those high numbers,

your demographic gets too high and not everybody's going to buy into it. I tell you what. I was saying this to Mel on the way home today. I'm like, imagine being the leader of 300 and... 30 million like the United States. How the hell can you possibly, possibly, represent everybody? It's fucking impossible.

Well, it's democracy. You weren't supposed to. The vote was 51 to 49. So you win, but you're not representing. The other 49, the other 49% hate you. Think about that. That's 100 and, what the hell is that? 150, whatever.

Whatever. I can't think of it. 150 million plus. You're not. representing can. No. Like, yeah, it's too big. That's, that's a lot.

But I mean, it's still demolition. Sure. Yeah. No, what I was meaning before when I started there is, is that everybody thinks they're justified in their own thoughts, right? Like, and a couple of things come to my mind is that, you know, when you read about these, these folks, like when you read Victor Frankel, Mansearch for Meaning and Solen Etchen. And when you read, uh, was it Nietzsche or Nietzsche? Nietzsche. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Beyond good and evil. Beyond good and evil. We're basically these fellows that have seen, these people that have seen this firsthand. And they've also monitored their own hearts and their own minds. What we learned from, what I've learned from is that we don't know. It could be two or of us, three at this table or one of us are all three of us.

We might have a part in us that the spark fires up. And we could be the meanest, most cruelest humans in Alberta if this goes wrong way. I do. You know, or we could be, who's the Schindler's list? Yeah. Right? So there's the span is you might be the nicest team in Alberta, and you might be the one that. But it goes back to what Jordan Peterson said about the Nazis. Everybody thinks they wouldn't have been. And that's where I'm at is like there's people right now that are in Alberta and in Saskatchewan or are for these camps or for the young hockey player getting tackled.

And what I hear is, well, he should have just listened. Well, they should have just got the right COVID test instead of getting on that plane. Well, so we should clarify because there's going to be a lot of people who don't know. what the hell we're talking about, right? So Ocean is the kid and this is what, a month and a half ago now? Yeah, it feels like a month and a half ago, sure. Was skating on a pond in Calgary and the cops came and arrested him and he didn't go willingly,

which once again we can debate whether he should have went willingly or should have got up the ice, but at the end of the day he didn't, and that's what blew up on social media. And then recently in the last two weeks, for sure the one you're talking about is Rebecca McDonald's son, which happened what are we on? Saturday. So,

last night. So they've had this, I don't know, Trudeau was trying to stifle any travel to and from Canada, right? Unless you're a politician going for holidays.

Yeah, right? And so Nikki Mathis and Rebecca Dix were both the first two ladies where they got taken away when they got to the airport and were quarantined in hotels and they wouldn't tell the family

where they were going. Like wouldn't tell them, wouldn't let them have content. Like, I think, my brain goes, if Mel comes back from Minneapolis, she's an American, so you go to visit her family, which I think everybody thinks is reasonable. Yeah, we're not supposed to travel, but I don't know. Imagine your father is sitting in Minneapolis. He's not sick, nothing like that. But imagine, put yourself in that scenario, because somewhere along the line, there's that scenario right now.

So you travel to go see them, to safe or well, to whatever. And then on your way back, they tell you, whatever. You didn't take the right COVID test, whatever it is. There's probably, my brain goes, it's probably a logical reason. They're going to put them in a quarantine hotel. But why not tell the family where they're at? And why not let them have contact with them? Because these aren't like revolutionists who are trying to overthrow the government.

These are just, from my eyes, I don't know, Nikki Mathis, Rebecca Dix, the 22-year-old who is living in Arizona who comes home and gets thrown in a van and take him wherever and his mom's bawling like that starts to become really fucked up where i sit here and i can watch the ocean video and go maybe he should have just got off the ice like why is he got to be a dick just get off the ice but those three really bother me like i can't and the fact that nobody will just be like listen they took them to the hotel whatever that's where the isolation center is if you call this number they'll put you in contact it's standard protocol they just got to give him a nose swap he's got to sit for a couple days because this new protocol's coming blah blah blah blah

blah haven't done any of and actually the more disturbing thing of i was listening to daniel smith talk on six 30 chad and so they arrested people on a thursday night and the law didn't come until friday and what the mom this rebecca macdonald's saying is the what she'd heard it was supposed to be the monday and he gets in the saturday they rushed them home a problem shouldn't be a problem but it is a problem something funky's going on 100% something stinks something's been stinking since March yeah like it's this is all

to me like again like you talked about the US being 51 49 I have no idea what the ratios are but I'm gonna bet that that there's people that are saying well just remember all the stay the F home people like ratting out their neighbors with the snitch line was something

I couldn't believe until you show yeah sure I know I don't show that one but I prank called it a couple of times But anyways You brand gold Is this ditch line? Yeah

Let's leave that one Oh no That's an off air story We'll tell it off air Yeah maybe I'll be going to a Yeah Anybody seen Ken the last few days

No the I bet you if you put that prank phone call online You want to get a million views And we wouldn't Kenny would be off And super stardom Or dead

Maybe No but like Let's put this perspective is that we are all going to disagree on lots of things. Yes. And what's the right way for, you know, should we have equalization payments to the east or should we not? Should we get a pipeline? Should we not? Should we be using up as much fresh water as we are?

Society is just going to have all forever. As long as we are a free society, we're going to have disagreements. COVID's going to be no different. I know there will be people in my own family that feel one way very strong and very, for that. I don't know. I just don't know. I'm not an epidemiologist. I can't tell people who what's right or wrong. But what I think we need to do is not get polarized. I don't think that's going to solve anything if we run really hard to the left and really hard to the right or to the ends of the tails of the curve. But I think what we have to agree on is the right to our freedoms.

That's a non-negotiable. That for me, that's becoming what's clear in my mind is that if you want to support anything. I don't really care. I'm for masks. You're against masks. I need to respect your opinion. I need to respect that that's how you want to live your life. And you want to,

that person wants to go to a mosque and that person doesn't want to go to church and that one person wants to go to the Catholic church and that person wants to, whatever. You know, like, I have my own beliefs. But the beauty of what we have here is our freedom. And when our freedoms are starting to be eroded,

I think we all need to raise that, the alarm flag, you know, because if you are for these lockdowns and you want people taken to the camps because the wife should have known better than to have the wrong test and she's gone and she shouldn't have a right to talk to her husband before they haul her away, I think you need to put yourself into a place of what if this happened to you? Do you think anyone's for that? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I think the left right now will do anything. Or some people that are... It's them. I don't... hits them. I don't know, but like, I think, like, let's just, I think it's, I think it's, maybe I'm wrong

on this. I think it's really dangerous to just call it the left. Yeah. Because there are people that are liberals, there are still great people who, when they hear a story like that, are going to be like, that is fucked up. And when you, I think when you say the left, you immediately alienate yourself from half the population. That's what the, that's what the numbers show.

And the thing is. is we got to find a way to to there's people that aren't going to be pro oil pro business pro whatever right that i got buddies who are uh pro union pro all the stuff that leans a little left but as soon as you say things like left right their brains go to like that is a keep boom and they're over and they've already judged you oh yeah i agree it's probably the wrong way to put it is yeah i'm I personally think it's the wrong, like it's the dangerous way to play this game because I think that's what they want.

I don't know who they are. Yeah, who are they? What if they is us? So let me rephrase that. And I'm glad you call me out on that because I sometimes just say things in blankets and don't actually mean it that way. The left to me isn't even people. There's half of us.

There's a part of you that stays in bed 10 minutes too long because your wife is nice and warm. That's the left side of you. That's a fun 10 minutes. What do you do with the other, what do you do with the other nine and a half? That's your snuggled. That gets you. That gets you to six kids is where that gets you.

But so I look at it like when I say the left, I say like, so you have a, let's call it a soft side of your brain and a hard side of your brain, right? The hard side of your brain is going to say no lockdowns, no nothing. Let's just deal with this.

We can't stop our lives. We need to become, we need to get through. Because honestly, they're going to come out, they're going to come out eventually and say, we should have just let everybody be immune to this. That's what would be probably, would be what seems to be the most common thing, because masks and lockdowns don't stop anything.

It's the victim-minded people. Let's not call it the left. The victim-minded people want this. want every measure taken to make sure they are safe. They're going to say, well, I'm doing this for you. That's bullshit. You're doing this for you. You're scared.

You've lived your entire life, having somebody else take care of you in some certain way. Now you want the government to make sure I wear a mask because you're scared. You probably have nine comorbidities and, of course you're scared. So when I say that, let's not call it the left because that's, Ashley Blankets off a political side. But the victim-minded people will go to no, they know no ends when it comes to trying to feel safe and feel comfortable. So if it means sending some,

if that kid goes and dies in that camp, they will justify that all day long as a necessary. Look at how many people died when they started giving the vaccine. And what do they say? Oh, yeah, we knew that was going to happen. But, you know, some people are going to die from this. Those people would have died anyway. Well, that's what we've been saying about this.

The whole thing is, yeah, you know, what has there been in Alberta? Three people die or something like that that didn't have a comorbidity? I did the statistics about a month and a half ago maybe. I thought the numbers that I calculated were an average age of a COVID death was 82.2. Which is over the- Stats can had the average life expectancy of 82. And I want to say...

Like, we don't have... I said this in that last two podcasts or whatever. We don't have a COVID problem. We have a comorbidity problem. this thing's exposing our comorbidity problem. Because what are all those comorbidities? You look at them. Go on there.

I don't know. You can find them. Yeah, there's like seven or eight. All those major comorbidities are all self-inflicted. For the most part. Or they're just age-related. Maybe.

Yeah, well, that's just it. If you're over 80, should you be part of that stat, like a flu will kill you when you're over. I mean. Because let me take the other side because not the other side. I'm not going to oppose you. But if,

If I believe that Coke is the best, the best ever, and you boys both think Pepsi is. Which it is. Exactly. I don't drink. But if I truly, if I truly believe that Coke is the best, the chances of me getting you to come to this side by telling you that you're an idiot and you're weak and you're stupid. Right? It's like zero. It's zero.

So to me, we just got to agree that we're going to end up on both two sides of this. And maybe that's okay. right that might be okay that you vote one way and I vote another it might be okay that but that's okay that I like Pepsi so to me what we got to agree on is saying listen Sean I respect that you want Pepsi please respect that I want Coke and what we got to agree on is we got agree on freedom because this could go really bad for both of us if if we let these go history tells us that this could get nasty in a hurry you know I'm like like it's it's I think we got to focus on that because we're never going to agree with everybody

on like I think it's like a it's a distraction it's meant to kind of tear us apart you know what's tomorrow like climate change okay I'm on both sides of climate change I think we should be good to our earth well no but here's here's the thing on climate change I don't mean to no no I'm going to hop it on climate change the next sec is I don't think there's a rational person out there who can agree that over seven billion people aren't having an impact on the 100% right like done The thing that gets me is, man, wait, this is taking a hard left turn, but the thing that gets me is if the planet's fucked, right? We're fucked.

In 10 years, we're all dead. In 20 years, 30 years, it's irreversible. What we've done is done. Why fight, like, hey, we got everything we're doing to save the planet? Because if we're fucked, let's just go on living and carry on with life, right? But if there is a way to, if that is truly the fact and they go in 200 years, why not engage the masses to change it? Find common ground.

And enlist the most influential business people to be like, listen, we need to start doing this and this is what needs to be happy. And instead of causing so much animosity, I feel like you could knight us around like we need to do things better. Now, maybe there's people listening going That's what they're trying to do But it doesn't feel like it It feels like it's a complete opposite

And so the climate change thing is like Yeah But there'll just be another one There'll be another thing for us The social dilemma I know I keep talking about it But there'll be another This is going to go away

I tell you what For anyone anyone listening Go watch social dilemma on Netflix It'll have It's already had probably a handful of my friends They're all on social media anymore Yeah, I'm thinking I'm thinking of everything

Your life is a hell of a lot better when you don't pay attention to that. Boys, here's my question to you guys is I would say, like we're all rural SaaS guys, you know, small town farm boys. I think fairly reasonable thinking. You know,

I know Tadda comes off as really rough and gruff, but I've never known him to purposely hurt a human. I've never known him to try to squash a little guy. Sean, I've coached you in hockey and become, I mean, squash some jujitsu retirement too, But the,

Hey, I, I, no, but if you put the, to add to that point, there's a reason why you're sitting here. I wouldn't bring somebody on that I didn't like sitting across from debating someone. So I agree 100% with you. And matter of fact, like, I know Tanner comes off as harsh, but I've known both of you boys for a while, the chances of any one of us, uh,

hurting somebody that's in a weaker position or sliding somebody because their skin color or because their religion or because they're taller or short or, you know, whatever, drunk Coke or Pepsi. Like, if you're a good person, you're a good person. That's how I view you two boys. I also view you as being fairly reasonable thinking. So to me, this becomes, what's our line? You know, the, and that's a, because when it's the frog and boiling water thing again, right, is, what's that saying?

The only thing you need for evil to overtake the world or to have its way with the world is for good people to stand by and do not. nothing. You know, and that's a, that's a lot of weight on a person's shoulders is, okay, like, I'll wait and hear the reasoning why the mums were hauled off to the place without a long to see him their husband and with no, no, no criminal charges, they weren't arrested, you know, I'll wait in here. But I got to say each, each two month period, this, this, the, the temperature got increased. Well, I tell you what, the, the where's the line thing? for me, and I assume you're referring to what, I got in an argument with my brother Dustin one day in our truck.

What I love about family is you can say some pretty offside things, and I won't share those things, but I said some things I was pissed out, right? Like, you're being ridiculous. But the smartest thing he said to me, and I've still been wrestling with it, is where's the line? Where's your line? Sean, where's your line? I don't know if I have an answer.

all I can say is it makes me very uncomfortable when I saw the video of the outdoor pawn game it didn't say it crossed the line but I went if five more of those happen across Alberta I start to wonder said it was only one

and I watched a video and it still had me on the fence of like was that right like don't get me wrong it's wrong that arrest him but he's being a jackass and could always was he like I mean we can debate that

He said, what am I under arrest for about four times? Right. Is what I heard. That's all I got from the snippet anyways. And I argue, you know. I don't know the rest of the story, but. I'm sure I am in the minority in our area that looks at that video and goes, man, just get off the ice.

The RSMP don't want to be there anymore than... Was an RCMP, though. You know what I mean. Calgary, but those were also rent-a-cops from what I heard, too. Those were actually not full-fledged. just that's one thing. But continue. Because I want to say some of both this after that.

Okay. So what I'm getting at is I don't think they want to be there. I don't think any cop is running in. And the other one was in Gattano, Quebec, where they bused through the door and they haul the guy out. I read the police report. As soon as they open the door, the guy starts swinging. And, you know, like, I mean, if you're the police in that scenario and your guys

getting beat, you call him for back. I mean, that's pretty. And so the video. video in my opinion makes it out worse than it is but as long the longer it goes and the more of these incidents that start to happen the more I go okay I was okay when it was a one-off and it's a guy on the pond and I don't love it I think that's fucked up and I said that wouldn't happen but it happens and it's because of a Karen out there who goes nobody should be on the ponds and we've all dealt with cairns anywhere in this fucking world you got cairns and they you can't

reason with them and it is i don't even have the words to describe it so the cairns of the world to use a twitter or social media term i think we all get that but where is the line for me is starting to become man i don't i got a wife who has family in another country. She's doing nothing. If we abide by the two-week quarantine on each side, she takes the test, you pay all the fucking money they want you to pay for it, and she still gets the day, and then you tell me I can't tell where she is? Oh, I'm fucking mad. Right? So here's a question for us, and I think this goes out for everybody, is do you think the time to put our arms, link them together as a society, and stand for freedom? Again, I'm staying away from the COVID because we're not,

to win any debates on whether it's real or not. But what we can stand for is freedom. And that hauling away a spouse because she got the wrong negative COVID test and couldn't tell her husband where she is, some hidden facility, you know, under some guise of that it's for the public good. That's just BS. I don't, I won't stand by that. Unless there's more of the story, I'm out.

That's my line. We just did stand this. Nobody did anything about that. Yeah. And so, so what is there to do about it? Nothing. That's like I just I was going to say. The thing to do was 10 years ago.

You can't stop this now. This is over. Because like you said, Karen, you bring up Karen, right? So I want to say something about that video. We're going back to Ocean. Yeah, Ocean. Okay. There's so many Karen's out there, as you call them.

They're the same. When I accidentally called everybody the left, the victim. Just to pause for a second. If you have no idea what a Karen is, and you live under a rock, just Google what is a character because there is a definition. And so she's that,

you know, victim-minded person that no matter what, as long as somebody's doing something that triggers her to use another new age word, then she's going to try to wreak havoc on everybody. So,

but we've gone to a point now where there used to be, you know, one or two of those people, people around, you know, and you just hated them and you're like, yeah, fuck they're everywhere now. We're overpopulated with Karen, so to speak. They're everywhere.

Like, I hate Facebook, but I open it up once in a while just to get a Karen report, essentially, just see where we're at, right? And, man, I laugh because I'm like, it's over. There's too many of them. They're going to get their way. That's the way it is. And when I seen that video, I seen those two cops that were highly underqualified, highly underqualified police. They had no, you look at them trying to stop that guy?

They had no chance. He could have skated away. They were screwed. Those two women started screaming profanities while he was still being calm, right? That's too scared, scared people. What the fuck are they doing in police uniforms? what the fuck are they doing in police uniforms they escalated that situation so fast he was just like why they're like give him give us your ID he's like no no give your fucking ID and they just lost their fucking minds that one broad was nail it kneeing him in the back I'm like that looks like Soviet Union that looks like Nazi Germany highly highly highly underqualified people doing extremely high profile jobs and doing it out of of fear and victimhood.

That's what those police officers can. Those gat no police. Every police officer I've seen have escalated every situation because they're scared and they're under-trained. They're underqualified. Yeah, but that's the one that make social media. Yeah. Now where else do you? No, no, but let's back that up for a second.

There are so many good people in the uniform that we don't talk about. Absolutely. Because why? But what you're bringing up, Tanner, is what I say about social media all the time. it pushes up. We as a society push up the worst instead of the best.

But what I'm saying about that though is if those cops, so somebody asked me about that, like, well, what do you do? As a cop, you go to that guy and you're like, listen, dude. Yeah.

Like even if it's, you de-escalate it right away. Yeah, even if you got to lie to him a little bit, you go over and you say, like, listen, man, some woman over there, a guy or whatever, Karen, just called you guys in. Right?

Here's the deal. I just need to get you off the, We just need to get you out of here. I get it. I don't want to do this anymore than you want me to, but if I don't do it, I lose my job. And you talk to him like he's a human being and that you're a human being.

And you de-escalate the situation and say, look, bro, I'll take you and buy you damn beer. Just get off the ice. Okay, so here's the thing I'll say about this. So what gets the media attention is that, and that everything's going that way. And yet if you listen to people, Most cops say exactly that.

I would bet 95% of cops that show up. Go, listen, man, I don't want to be here. If the three of us were in uniform, wouldn't. But there are three, right now, there is three of us in uniform that are doing exactly that. Showing up and going, listen, I don't want to be here. But they won't last. You don't think so? No.

They won't last. I tell you what. I don't let, I'm going to fight you on the, the doomsday. You got to. We're sitting here. We got our free. them to sit and talk and release this and when we release this if we all go missing well hell you know what happened hopefully we go to the same camp well then let's i mean yeah let's let's think

about where we're at yeah we can't be that far down the road that we can't steer this in the right direction hell go bash up the guy opens his restaurant and now alberta's starting open isn't that a positive sign i think it's positive that we have the ability right now to start preparing but we got to stop trying to stop this and start preparing for it is what my thing is. Like when it sounds like I know I get, I can be pretty morbid and dark with things. But that's how I have to talk to myself so that I'm ready.

But the thing is, is yes, there is a positive swing to this. Right now you can still go educate yourself on what's coming. Because this is very predictable. You can educate yourself on how to become stronger in every aspect of your life to make yourself like, at the end of the day, it's going to be the weakest people

that get ousted first and that might not be like physically weak, but they're going to be the easiest targets to get picked off first. So what I'm saying is yes, it's brutal and it's dark and the way I'm saying it. But at the end of the day,

we have the freedom right now to prepare. And I think that that's more of the way. Like I said, I likened it to Kenny, Kenny and I talked about this and I said it's like a tidal wave Okay, so this Communist thing, whatever do you want to call it?

It's a tidal wave. It's coming. Now you can sit on the shore And scream at it Put your fists up Start throwing punches at the tidal wave Guess what? You're fucking dead Because you're the first one that's going to get hit by it If you're standing on the beach screaming at it

Now if you know that tidalade's coming And you know there's nothing you can do to stop it, I'm running to my house and finding a way to protect my kids. I'm finding a way to protect my family. I'm finding a way. I'm going to my neighbor. I'm saying to my neighbor, hey man, this shit's coming. What are we going to do?

And I think we can all band together as the people that are going to have a rational way of looking at this. I think we can band together to try to insulate ourselves from what's coming. And I say, the left. There might be some of those people that banned in with you to say, okay yeah no I don't want this either like I want liberty for all and I want you know the ability to be yourself or have emotions whatever they're they're wanted to get and but at the end of the day there's going to be some of them guys who want freedom too well doesn't does it doesn't we need to

band together other than sit there and be like fuck you government we're coming for you it's like man you're the first one's dead that's all I'm saying is if you know it's coming don't get mad at it prepare that's what I'm saying It seems wise to prepare for any outcome. It seems wise to prepare for any outcome. But I guess a couple things as you're talking come to my mind is that socialism is relatively new. Karl Marx wasn't like it's not like we that he came around in 1700 BC and this is the 17th, you know, repeat of the cycle. It's relatively new.

But we have seen in new times what can happen when it sets in. I think it's not good. And there is possibility that we head there. It also is a possibility that this is a wake-up call. Like, let's say we have two more where there's a mom and young children that, you know, sway public opinion, right? They get sent off to a camp and Albertans, you know, decide to band together and say, and Saskatchewites and Canadians and say, we're not, we're not heading this way. This could change our path.

You know, I don't know if we're destined for that. I do think that history, socialized populations will always change. Right. And what we're experiencing right now is kind of a new, new experiment, actually, is where the poorest, weakest individual has the same rights and freedoms, in theory, as the wealthiest, most connected individual. I know we can dissect democracy and say it's failing. But this is fairly interesting, actually. It's like, and it's new. We're no slavery, you know, regardless of color, regardless of sex, regardless of high IQ, low IQ, high net worth, low net worth. We were enjoying something very special right now. might be in all of our best interest to try to drag this out for another 10, 20, 100 years, whatever we can do. And I don't know if it's a guarantee that it's gone within 10 years. And I know there's 100 of these quotes out there, but Thedore Roosevelt, right, president of the United States, the government is us. We are the government, you and I. So if these people work for us, right? If the RCMP and the inspectors and the premiers work for us,

all I see us doing right now is sitting in a warm heated room. You know, I haven't taken many on the chin to stand up for this. You know, like the question becomes, what are we going to do? When history looks back at us, and if this does slide, we've got to acknowledge that this can slide any way. We could be heading to a higher state plateauing for the next 50 years, or we might slide straight back into absolute chaos where there's warfare and civil war. Who knows? but if it does slide worse, what do we look back at ourselves today and say, what did you do? No, that's the one I'm wrestling with, is I'm for freedom.

I'm for weak, strong, black, white, female male. I'm here to defend that, but how? Because I haven't done a whole heck of a lot right now. So I think that's a question I'm posing to two other farm boys that are sitting here with me that come from roots where you treat people with respect and you help those need and, you help those need. you don't step on those that are in a disadvantaged state. So sure, I think it's wise to prepare for the worst, but also what we have right now is very, very special. And it's very, very worthwhile for us to stand for this.

But what have we done? And what are we done? And what is standing for it? I'm wrestling with this. Because that becomes, yeah, like, like I said the other day, Braveheart was a movie, not a documentary. Like, it's, you know, you're not going to go right. running in and and I mean I don't mean to I'm just saying like that's my my take on it is I don't know like what do you do well 20 what was it 25 restaurant orders that opened up and they forced the government's hand to to relax restrictions that's all they had to do yeah there's a peaceful way of saying we're not going to stand for this what I was what I was think when you talk about brave heart when you talk about the Nazis when you talk about anything like that all I can think of is it's such a visual like it's such a human

Uniting rallying crime, right? How do we stand up for something? We go fight and we get over and away we go, right? But it's invisible. Yeah, you can't fight this. It's everybody. This is insurgency. Votes.

Everybody says votes, but here's my... Do you think elections are real? No, but here's a thing. If we don't like it, what the parties are doing right now, then we need to start a new party. Whoa, wait a minute second. I think elections are real. I do. Okay.

here's the problem I have okay we all come from rural backgrounds hell when you said that fuck shit out of a city guy in here it's always good to have a different mentality 81.4 I've been seeing this number in law 81.4 people in Canada percent

live in a city do that math now us three Yahoo's are from the rural which way are we gonna fucking suck you go talk city people and I don't mean that's as bad as me saying the left to be honest because There's some really fucking smart people who live in cities

and are registered that way, blah, blah, blah. But the fact that the matter is, for us to see all issues the same is impossible. You don't even see life the same. No. Like you've talked somebody from, why do you move to a city?

Comfort and safety. Like you're there, everything's available to you. You have all these people around. That's a good question. Why do you move to a city? Opportunity. Just a furtherization of, industrialization, right, where the, uh, furtherization, but continuation is like, I guess to me,

like I, I, thankfully I'm done now, but I finished up doing my MBA at University of Alberta, once or twice a week. I'm driving up to the city. And I'm, I'm sitting in classrooms with people from around the world, from, with all different types of training, rural city, country. And what I found is that they were all good thinking people. They were good people. They weren't like, I'm sure some of them might differ, but I really found them to be good-thinking people. I know there's differences, you know, like, I've shot a deer, a lot of them haven't. You know, like, there's going to be some big differences, but they're humans. But you've shot a deer, I haven't. And we're still farm boys. Like, there can be differences like that between farm boys. It doesn't have to be farm and city.

Think about this. Once upon a time, a bunch of fucking settlers came over to Canada and went through some of the harshest shit in the world just to have land. Those are some guys who come from high means of Britain, Ireland, et cetera, fucking everywhere else in the world.

And they left comfort to go explore and have something that was their own and have a say in the world. Self sovereignty, independence. That's what living out and, you know. I tell you what, I feel like if you could take a mic back to 1900, 1,800, 1,700, 1,700, 1,000, 1st, you want to go as far back as you want?

Yep. I'm not saying that you go back to year 1, and they're having the same conversation, but I strongly consider they might have been. They might have been having the same thoughts that we are. I've thought about this. Because in the, you know, I call, like I said, we're here today. What I keep saying is at least we had the 90s, because that was pretty sick. Before there's no internet, no cell phones.

You had to wait for things to come on. TV to watch them. You had to go outside and do stuff. It was pretty cool. But at that time, there was people that were saying the same thing, right? There was nobody acting upon crazy ideology and extremism like there is today. But they were still saying it. You know, the new, like, kids are always idiots. Sure. And we always miss the way it used to be. Yeah. That's all of, all of history. I sit there to my kids. and I'm like, oh, man, you should have seen it back then. You know, and I was thinking, I'm saying to them, you should have seen it back in the 90s.

The days prior were always better. We used to have to go out and have a goddamn road hockey game on the street. We couldn't play it on a video game. But at the time, there was guys saying to us, look at you little assholes out there playing hockey. When I was your age, I had to feed cows and plow the goddamn, you know, I didn't get to go play games like hockey on the street, you know? One of the best things that have come from the podcast was Skip Craig saying, hockey mirror society. It's like you can get mad at hockey for being soft.

But I mean, look around. We got bar brawls going on anymore? We're soft. If he's writing that, then we could take that exact argument and spin it to a politician's mirror society. Fucking rights they do, right? 100%.

Yeah, we've created this. Right, so it's on us. I want to read you two long-winded quotes because I was saying you guys before we started that I interviewed Byron Christopher today, and he's an investigative journalist. He was in his 70s.

He's had a crazy career. But one of the things that struck me when I got going down this rabbit hole, so I was saying that we keep having the same conversations here, different circumstances, but similar conversations. And I would suggest to the listener,

if you look back at old photos, they look like kids today just in black and white wearing different sets of clothes they have the same smile and I bet they played the same fucking childish games and fucking everything else

but what's different is the time error they live in okay so here's the first one there's no such thing as an independent press now both these quotes are going to be about media there's no such thing as independent press there's not one of you who dares to your honest opinions. And if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.

I'm paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper and I'm concerned, I am connected with. And any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. And if I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before 24 hours my occupation would be gone. The business of journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to faunt at the feet of the mammon, to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and the vassals of the rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks.

They pull the strings and we dance. Our talents are possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. That was written in 1880. That's 140 years ago. Damn, if you don't look at media right now and go, fuck do they not speak the truth. That's 140 years ago when he's talking about it.

One more for you, before we, and then I'll allow. The conscious and the intelligent manipulation of organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our ideas suggested. Largely by men we have never heard of

in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relativity of small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wire, which control the public mind.

That was written in 1928. So we're almost 100 years past that, and then we're having the same fucking thoughts. That's media. I just talked about Byron Christopher, and he talks about, he figures 5% of what's actually going on gets talked about. He goes, part of that isn't media's fault.

It's impossible to put on 100%. But you understand that media is a spotlight. Think of a dark room We're going to shine the spotlight there And think of the people behind pointing where they want the spotlight to go The rest of it doesn't get seen Doesn't get talked about

Yeah the room could be full of butterflies If you shine it on the rattlesnake You see the rattlesnake And then if you point the rattlesnake eating a frog You say what a courageous rattlesnake Saving the frog And all of a sudden the narrative changes And that's what people hear

Yeah No, it's... And that, in essence... It's called propaganda. But that's where we're at. So, you know, it gives me a little bit of comfort that people have been wrestling with this

for hundreds of years. It also gives me pause that people have been fucking wrestling with this for hundreds of years. I just, I said this earlier. This is a cycle. This is a cycle. There's going to probably be about

20 million people die in North American in the next 20 years. Good chance. Let's just not be them. Well, what if we took it like this? This is, it's just, everything just keeps happening over and over and over and over.

But there's ways to break cycles. Sure. But it's never happened yet. Yeah, but that's no reason. That's, I think there's ways to avoid the cycles. Hey, I hate to bring up a popular movie, but think of the Matrix.

Neo's like what? Fuck it. People who don't watch movies. Watching Matrix is fucking amazing. He's like the sixth. iteration of Neal and he breaks the cycle I'm a man of

hope positivity I believe we can do great things I truly believe that I look at it and I go I don't think you have to sit back and go like we're doomed it's a tough way to look at life is it not liberating though

I find like sorry I mean I'm just playing delves I can fit on that because I do I have this argument every day because everybody's like you're just a dark morbid sound like but if know your enemy sure so you all I'm saying with that is if you know what's coming and we are going to go through cycles right we had a good run we really did you know like we had a run where our grandparents, well, my grandpa went to war, but there was, we have like two and a half generations, just about three generations that haven't been, you know, major revolutionary war or

a world war, right? So we're due. So my thing is, is we know that. Let's not die trying to change the world when we can probably start to prepare for this and try to be the ones to get through the other. side. So, and I'm not saying that's right. What I'm saying, because I see both of you guys thinking, like, no, no, no, no, but you say, you say prepare. Yeah. And Kenny says what I will struggle with when I am old is when my kids get older and ask about this time, what did you do? Well, those are

conflicting things. Yeah. And let's not forget, these are new times. Like, you know, everything's a trend till it's not, right? And like one day I'm thinking like we've got nothing, like where they can block Twitter and they can control information and they can lock this and not out. But we've also got the democratization of information, right? Like so Twitter gets locked out, suddenly jumped up, Gab and something else. Right. So we have it to where everyday people can share their thoughts and opinions. I don't know, sometimes that's terrible, but it's still, we don't have three papers in the country that control the information.

It's a lot easier of us to share opinions. And that's, so it's maybe balanced. We just watched, what was the game, game day? What was the name of the stock? You know, but that, what was the game stock? Where the hedge fund folks were short in the stock and little people looking at that threw in their 10, 50, 100,000 dollars? No.

Sunked the hedge funds, right? Sunked the hedge fund. 1.8 billion? They were short-ed. I don't even know what I had you. Well, we won't, I don't think, but my point is, and that's why it's nice to be on a podcast with Tanner, is I'm an agreeance that you should always prepare for everything. Like you, like have fresh water on hand, you know, have enough money in the bank for a rainy day, right?

Have a rifle in the house in case, you know, there's a bear chewing on your dog in the front lawn, you know, like, sure. But I think we might be underestimating the power of the people. And I think my thought is, is that if we are all sitting here comfortable, and as long as they haven't taken a member of my family or my son or my daughter or my wife, I'm not going to do anything. I think that's very selfish. I think that's our risk is that people just take care of their own skin. But if we bind together, again, the government is us. We are the government, you and I. So if that's true, there's an onus on us to do what's right.

And yeah, I mean, having a podcast is one thing. But what else? Let me throw it to you this way. What if 60 days for now there's soldiers marching and the camps are for real and it's it's time. It does go. We do slip into a totalitarian rule. I know what 60 days too soon, but let's just argue that for a moment. Why didn't we do something right now?

And if we were going to do something, what is it? How do we stand for freedom? Like instead of just preparing for war, I kind of like it took a lot. Like, it took a long time to get here. It's pretty special what we have. I'd have a tough time looking myself in the mirror and saying. So then what do you do? I don't know.

That's a million dollar question. That's what you're saying. So you're saying don't prepare. No, no, no. I'm saying prepare and yell at everybody. Prepare for the best. Or prepare for the worst. What if we were all Karen's?

We get some shit happening. See, and that's the case. So that's what I want to say about that too. Because I have an interesting take on this. Sorry, I did not mean to make light of Kenny's point. Because I agree with everything you say. I agree with it. too. I agree with that. I want to be, dude, if there's a war to fight, I want to be the first

guy you call. Oh, yeah. Like, I would, like, I, there's nothing more that I want to do than to go test myself in that environment. I think all the listeners can feel that. But at the end of the day, it's like, fake war isn't war. Like, sitting there protesting, you're not going, like, so what I'm just saying is, the problem. that we're going to face with this is and like I talked about Nietzsche earlier so Nietzsche wrote a book called Beyond Good and Evil and that changed my whole perspective on everything because yes there could be militant you said you would we would hope that we would do what is right right you know what I mean like right now you know like yeah like

yeah just to stop that to slow it down you know what man there's going to be half of this country that believes that that's right there's going to be half of this population yeah the victor's right his right his history. Exactly. So yeah, we might not want to see military coming into the streets forcing us into concentration camps and stuff because of whatever. But there's going to be a bunch of people that do agree with it. No, no, no, no, but don't put it so, don't put it so bleak. There's going to be half of us that don't want to see military intervene to keep us in her houses. Yes. That seems, don't put concentrate. Listen, when you. Sorry. No, no, no, but you got this. Isolation. Listen, this is what I argue with, can all the time is you have to understand the game that's going on people don't want to think

that there's a game of chess going on i tell you what reading sol genetson's book the gulagary apelago it threw me on my side for a bit because i argued i'll take it a little bit i argued for a very long time there's no way that is that slow that meticulous that calculated and what does he say over and over and over again in his book is the big game of Solitaire and that moves take years upon years upon years. Agreed. And you go, oh, well, fuck.

And so what I think is dangerous of anyone right now is when you bring up Hitler. Hitler is a perfect one. You know what my brain goes? Fuck, we're not it. Like, come on, man. You're bringing up the worst. Of the worst.

And you could sit there and try and be like, Hitler wasn't that bad of a guy? Nah, I don't know about that. Like, Hitler was pretty fucking bad. It's like trying to, like, say, like, Stalin wasn't that bad. I tell you what, if you don't know how bad Stalin was, go look it up. He was pretty fucking bad.

And you can go on and on and on the list. So you think there's people there that don't think Hitler was that bad? I think that when you bring Hitler into what's going on right now, you all sudden turn brains off because people do not associate, myself included, to sitting in a studio being able to freely talk about what's going on to with Nazi Germany.

But people think of Nazi Germany from 1941 to 1945. I'm talking 19... When we talked about that, I say 1933. Fair. There was a lot of Jews sitting probably not that would have a podcast back then. I'm thinking. But at the end of the day,

there was a lot of Jews sitting there in 1933 thinking oh come on this isn't so bad fair but the big but the big game here for the other side of the big game is to understand that as soon as you bring in hitler stallin communism left just use the key terms the words yep you turn off part of the population and by doing that you're selling what your argument is really short because you hear it And as a person, you shut it off. And you think you're, the people that agree with you, agree with you. They hear it.

They always do. Yeah. Yeah. And they've already educated themselves on that narrative. Right. Yeah. But we're, that is a small part of the population. Very small.

Very small. Very small. And the way about winning this war, if there is such a way, isn't through that way. It's, it's like this, it's like this, it's like this intricate, the way I see it is, it's an intricate. game of chess and they have been thinking that way whoever they are

because I can't put my finger on it and I'm certainly not going to put it on any single person because when you look at all the like it's just it's people trying to do good but sometimes you just don't understand by doing a little bit of good you have a repercussion

that sends it the opposite way tenfold and it seems like in the last 20 years we've done a lot of good but we've caused a lot of harm and that's dangerous further your point Sean is when you say it's going to alienate a lot of listeners

is that if you're in water right now that's 15 degrees and you're comparing a point in history to the water was 100 degrees and fully boiling if there's a lot of distance between 15 degrees and 100 degrees right if we go to hitler yes but I think Hitler everybody doesn't associate 1933 And I understand that's what you're trying to talk about. It's the early years.

It went from zero and a hundred degrees over period of time. Oh, absolutely. Holocaust and shooting not, shooting German, Jews thing. Geez, can't even get to spit out. Shooting Jews and like the atrocities that happened. Yeah, which most of the Germany didn't know what was going on that either. Another thing, too, that people don't, they talk about Stalin. They don't realize that Joseph Lennon turned over Russia to Stalin and didn't want to.

he said do not let this guy have power this is not the guy you want and they're like no no this is the guy we want he seems like a good dude seems like everything we're looking to do he's a little bit like he's got a you know he's aggressive he's got these you know he's strong leader lenin's like don't do it but what did they do so that's what i mean is like you can even look at the leaders we have now they may have the best of intentions but what happens if it turns over into the wrong hands? So, I mean, whatever. I'm just saying that, like, maybe I think that people have educated themselves on history more than they have out there listening.

But people need to educate themselves on what has happened because life is about patterns. Listen, a thousand years ago, people didn't know how to rate. And they probably really wanted to rate. Right? To read the spoken word would have been amazing. 100 years ago, actually. That would have been quite 150 even, you know. I would still go further than that. Yeah. Go back a long time. Yep.

Now people find reading as work. Yeah. Think about that. So you talk about people, probably know their history better? Maybe. There's a lot of people who see no value in knowing that. history fuck that's a long time ago I I listen 100 years ago

10 years ago seemed like fucking a thousand years ago it really did you almost got a like 100 years like I just talked to a 98 year old who could tell me about the 20s

he could tell me about a time where money he didn't know what money was think about that yeah that's one man's lifetime I think it's I don't know

fuck I don't know there's a time you didn't know what a cell phone was and that wasn't that that wasn't even a hundred years ago dude there was a time i walked around with no cell phone that was what i mean we didn't even know what it was that was 10 years ago yeah i loved life with no cell phone i say i tell you what i wish i could go back to those days and but you always wish you could you can't and that's the thing is that totally we got to understand is we can't go back like everybody's like i can't wait till everything gets back to normal things will never no no no we've i will agree with you on that like this is the new like and i hate that new normal

But your normal is different now. Things are going to be different now. Do you think, here's a, I don't know, you think we wear a mask for the rest of the next 10 years? Or do you, or are we two, like, you know, there be something else. We're in the dip, and we're in the darkest spot where we're going to slowly pull ourselves back up.

And in two years, we're going to have no mask and we'll laugh at this conversation and go, hey, but this is where we're at. I go, they're talking like, you know, it doesn't matter what your thoughts on vaccinations are. At the end of the day, vaccinations, if they could do X amount of population, is good for everything right now because it means we get back to the normal. And Canada has dropped the fucking ball on that. Have they dropped the ball?

Or is that calculated? That's calculated. We are, I don't mean, we're the petri dish for this whole thing, man. Like this is everything that's going on. Think about it. The U.S. is trying to catch up to Canadian socialism right now. Like they try to do it in four days. But we've been living this for a while.

You know what I mean? Like what the states is all, like gun control. We've had gun control in place for 20 years. You make what we're going through seem pretty bad. I think that it's not bad right now. But it's going to get, if we don't look at it as bad now, it's going to get worse. What if we go up to 50,000 feet for a moment?

Sure. And because that's what has kind of helped keep me sane. Is let's say how long has it been since we've had no slavery just in North America? What was the Civil War? American Civil War. 1870s, 1867? John's going to look it up. I'm going to look that.

I thought it was 1867, but. 1776 was the, um, no, it's really not. So 1776 is where the Americans became an independent country. So it would have been 1867. May 9th, 1865 is when it ended. Okay, 1865. So now if we, of recorded history, if we are to divide the percent of years that we've had no slavery, Right? If we go back, has there ever been another period of time where there wasn't slaves?

Or there wasn't class separation to where if you were a serf or a peasant or a slave or you're a person of color, you're getting loaded on a ship to go work for free on, you know, as a prisoner? Was there another period of time? I don't know if there was. Well, to say that there's no slavery right now is crazy. Oh, no, but I got to say like. In North America. Oh, that's what I'm saying, North America. Yeah, but was there slavery in North America when it was just the native?

population. I would probably. You know, the more I'm learning about First Nations, the more I respect how they lived. That's an interesting statement actually. I'm not to think about the first person. Oppressing somebody else is what we do. Oh, humans will always do it. And that's just it. And the oppressed will eventually become the oppressor. Well, and that's what we're seeing right now is the people that thought they were oppressed have now become the oppressor and will oppress. I just wonder if this is just a blip of time. Like if it's, if it's, do we go back to dictators, do we go back to kings and queens? Oh, you're thinking like like freedom and democracy. Yeah, I'm just a little project.

We're the three of us like, and you think that I'm morbid. Uh, no, I don't think it was a project. I think it was like, um, I think what we have is really special. Like if we go to 50,000 feet, if I go to 50,000 feet, I stop arguing about whether max are good or bad. I feel really like, uh, what's the word? Very arguing over like, you know, breadcrumbs. Chincy. Chincy. Yeah. I, I, I think that if we go to 50,000 feet and we think over the recorded history, except for First Nations. And again, I got to spend more time to think about them. Because again, every time I think about them, I'm like, I think they had some things figured out. But that's another topic.

But a lot of the world, let's say, that's the only example, you threw me for a loop there because my brain had it concluded. There's been a lot of times where there's class separation, slavery. You know, if you didn't own land, you didn't have a vote. if you're a female, you weren't, you were an asset, you know, like a lot of, I like where we're at. I got to say unless somebody shows me anything different. Even if you force me to wear a mask and you force me to take a vaccination, you throw the odd person in a in a quarantine trailer away from her husband for a couple days. I go, you know what?

If I compare that to 1,000 AD, I'm still saying we're in a good place. We're still in a really good place. What we still have, I've likened this to this, is maybe we're looking at the Mona Lisa and somebody walked by and smudged one of the fingers. You know, like, and it's like the Mona Lisa is still beautiful. And we just got to get a high talented artist into repaint one of those fingers. You know, maybe we're just going to make sure we stand.

You know, when I say the Mona Lisa, I say freedoms, individuals being equal, right? People of color, man, woman, child, you know, we all have fundamental rights and freedoms. This is like, except for the First Nations again. maybe we should be looking to them maybe for a little bit of guidance. I don't know. I'm not going to put my foot by that or my vote by that. It's interesting.

But my point is that when I go to 50,000 feet, I stop being mad at anybody for arguing for against vaccinations, four against masks, four against lockdowns. And I go, I, I, what if this goes to a place to where men are being hung or people of color or people that are white or people that are Christians or people that are,

or Muslims or like I don't know you know whatever if it goes to a point to where we start to isolate and imprison and and you know put people in gas chambers if that is where this goes if I can come back to this day right now what would I say can get at it you had a brief point in time towards humanity had some few things figured out why didn't you do more to to to risk you know and what do you do and I know that why can't three of us sitting here count with the first plan of what to do other than talking about it right now you know this this is a struggle for me is Sean I've coached you I mean like we're three Tanner I've worked out with you I've trained with you both you guys you're not people that are scared to take action you're not

people are scared to make a decision but why haven't we done a damn thing you know like and again what's the line like let's talk about that like and what's the damn thing I that's the question. And when we talk about Dustin's, it was Dustin put it out on a tweet, your brother. If we just sit in water and it slowly boils, the next one doesn't feel as bad. It alarms us a little bit, right? But then he gets used to it. But you guys are sitting here saying, wow, I'll just wear the mask.

I'm wearing a mask in two months. But the thing is, it's, but by saying, oh, okay, that's like saying, oh, we'll just wear the mask. but yep we're gonna start just past the mask and making it making it stand and then they're like okay now you got to stay in your house over Christmas and not see your grandparents no man man but I'm just gonna start tomorrow on my mind this this is where I come back to the big game of chess to not wear the mask I feel like he's giving up your queen and you're about to expose your king by wearing the mask you're playing the game you have to look at what's going on

as a giant fucking game. And to not see that, I feel like is either naive. Yeah, it is naive. Or you just have utmost face in everyone doing the right thing. And I just look at it and I'm like, it doesn't matter if wearing the mask is right or wrong.

I feel like by not wearing the mask now, if I walk into, it doesn't matter where. I feel like I'm like, I'm just causing an issue. issue with some poor person that just wants you to wear the mask. It doesn't want the confrontation. And so I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to wear the mask. It doesn't hurt me any. I'm going to wear the mask. But you have to, I've been saying this to Ken an awful lot.

And I think I've already said this once on this thing. Is I just, to me, in order to win this, you got to take a step back. You got to understand that if it is a big game of Solitaire, well we get to play too so when it comes to where is the line well the line's starting to be crossed for me right I don't like seeing videos of

mom's not knowing where the kids are husbands not know where their wives are because I can put myself in those shoes and be like if Mel came back from Minnesota whatever the reason of her going there and I can't see her and they won't tell me that's fucked up that's not huge

like come on and just tell me she's staying at the holiday in they got her book there you can call her at 6 a.m. tomorrow blah blah blah blah I think all of us be like oh fuck that makes sense like right there I don't know what you're getting mad at they got a rule in place whatever the fact they won't do that and the fact people are crying outrage over that that should alarm everyone but then it becomes so what do we do I wonder shot if we quantify it like this is I've traveled a lot of those Asian countries, like where they've been wearing masks for years, a lot of people. Like in China, Korea, a lot of them have been wearing masks for years, but I'll tell you what, when I was in China,

you pull up to a car at a red light. I was in Beijing. And there's a film of dust on the cars. It's pollution, right? And when I was in Korea, and I have a friend that is from Korea. And I was there as well. They said a lot of them wear masks because of pollution, right, because of the particles from from industry so to me this isn't about mask here i like whether somebody chooses to wear a mask or not wear a mask it's not about the mask it's about the freedoms and if we take out the chart of rights and freedoms and right and just put it in front of us yes how many of those are you're going to scratch off before you're you're ready to say where it's time to time to like is it one so two so four i'm going to hop on that in one second but but to bring up mass but you'll also

have the nurse or the doctor say they wear a mask when they go into surgery and they don't want to spread there like you got it you got to like the massing to me is the like yeah it's not about where a goddamn some people who work for some people won't i know tanner doesn't love the mask it doesn't matter at this point i'm like whatever well what i'm saying is just be very careful where you start weakening and i mean like you can also work around the mask trust me it's not like i just stand out in the middle of the street and be like fuck you know it it's not like all lloyd's version for you now. I can give you my address if you want it. He's 240 pounds, six foot five. Yeah, you guys come find me. But my bro, but what I mean though is mask or not, it's are we always just going to wait till tomorrow to take our stance? You know what I mean? Because that seems what it's happening right now. And I guess with the masking thing too is my other problem is if you keep implying all these these safeguards, why are the numbers still going?

going up. Like that's also the thing is I didn't mean you know like I wore a mask for two months and stayed inside my house. What did everything I was supposed to? The numbers keep climbing and everybody's following the rules. So fuck this like this isn't like show what were you going to say there you were going to say something earlier. I don't know anymore. I can tell you why the numbers are going up. They're testing more. Exactly one one one and I heard a guy a very smart man who I cannot remember his name. Mel and I were listening to him. We were listening to your podcast,

and we slipped over to 630 Chad, and they were interviewing him, fucking a guy with too many degrees, and he was just like explaining, like, you don't want to pay attention to how many people have COVID. You want to pay attention to the affection rate

and a bunch of other obstacles. And Mel looks over me and goes, well, that sounds like common sense. I'm like, oh, gee, the world, could you use a little more of that, right? I don't know where I'm going I don't know Let's not be shocked

Government Like we Sean you and I both read I don't know I keep talking about it But Nassim Taleb skin in the game Yeah Right And I think if you think that government Is not going to continually show incompetence

Right you're foolish Well I'll say this right now If you don't read And you're listening to this Right you're actually listen to this far We're an hour and a half in You're still listening Stop acting like reading

Is such a tough thing to do Because reading is a fucking lightning As anything And can really just like Give you some serious perspective From people who've lived through things That you're like I hope to God to never expect that

And I'm not sitting here saying You gotta read off all the books we've read You can just read fiction for all I care Fiction You know We talked about Pinocchio I remember thinking

Pinocchio Nobody wrote Pinocchio that had any thoughts other than a fucking little Yeah, no, not the case I tell you what I tell you what You dig into some shit

If you're listening this far Dig into some things And as Byron Christopher told me today His one piece of advice Was be your own editor Like don't take for what we're saying for crap Go in and do some research Maybe it's all garbage, everything we just said.

Maybe. But the fact that three of us are sitting here can't describe where the line is because that's uncomfortable. Certainly can't describe what we should do because nobody knows what to do. It's not like we can, it's not like tomorrow we start a protest and that does anything good. Can't throw this out to you. I don't know what philosophers said it is because I'm finding between reading, it wasn't that long ago. I really got to be thankful to you two gentlemen because what I found is like computer. programming, one of the common, I'm not a computer programmer, but is garbage in equals

garbage out. So if you have a bad computer program, you get a bad output, right? So garbage in equals garbage out. I think that goes for your life. You put garbage in, you get garbage out, right? You eat potato chips, you don't read anything. You live on video games. You know, that's the depth of who you are. You're going to get garbage out. You put good books in. You put good movies in. You put good reading in. You put meditation in. You put good food. You work out. You got your relationships in order, you just get a different product on the way out. And so I've really noticed in my life, is my life perfect? Far from it. But I'm getting better at identifying where it's working and where it's not because of things like the book club and doing a podcast with you Tanner and having

people around you that'll call your crap, right? And kind of, you've got to look them in the eyes and tell them whether you're telling the truth or not. And so let's, one of the philosophers, what I'm finding is like reading old philosophers is kind of adding to my thoughts, probably because they're supposed to. Socrates is still being talked about for a reason. Plato still talk about for a reason, right? Nietzsche. I keep saying it's name. I'm saying it right. Nietzsche. Nietzsche. Friede. You know. How many times do you want Tanner to correct? No, the Bible still talked about for a reason because they had impact. But some philosophers said if you, if you're having trouble debating what's in the middle, go to the extremes. Right. So let's talk about

because we still haven't said a number. We haven't said what we're willing to take a stand. What would we do? Three people here haven't said a damn thing. But let's go to the extremes. Okay. So if they're coming through right now and killing children or imprisoning people of color or imprisoning.

You know, when I say, it looks and smells a lot like a Soviet Russia. Are you willing to do anything? Are you willing to take a risk? Right. At that extreme. Or they're marching people off to gas chambers. Would you do something? Would you, Sean?

So you're saying if I could tell If I could look at Yeah, but you're saying if I could take a crystal ball And look 10 years in the future and see where it's at I just mean right now Like if you were watching I would prefer to die than to allow that to happen Okay, so there is a point then that we would stand up

Risk our own lives Yeah, and take a stand Okay, let's work our way back from that. Yeah, and I'm telling you right now the where is the line with people being like I I have a really hard time with them

taking people away and not seeing where they're going and I can be a very reasonable human being and say I don't think they're taking them in a hotel and gasing them and no that's not what's happening that's not what's happening hell they're probably and this is baby steps absolutely yeah this is we're going to see what we can get away with So what bothers me and where my line is is what's going on exactly right now.

Because my wife wants to go back to see her parents. And right now, if she comes back, she disappears. I can't get a hold of her. I can put myself right in that. And I feel like that's every person that we talk. So every person that hears us should be able to put themselves in the situation where a loved one all sudden disappears and you cannot. They will not tell you where that is.

Why would they do that? Why would you do that? As a politician, as a police officer, why would you not allow them? Because they took the wrong, they took the wrong COVID test. Think about that. I took a COVID test and you're telling me it's the wrong one.

That seems a little bit odd. Wasn't a common statement from some point in history I was just following orders? Fear. Fear is what drives this entire. That's how those cops don't tell. They got a mortgage to pay? Yeah, they're not going to say anything if they're ordered not to say anything. Because they're scared.

That cop might have went home and cried. Yeah. Have you read the book, Ordinary Men? Yes. Same idea. They're scared. Everybody's fit. This entire thing is ran by fear.

We talk about the media. I tell you what. I tell you what. I tell you what. Yeah. Fear. Fear. Fear.

Fear. Fear. Open up your phone right now. swipe over to the left so that you pull up the Canadian news, there's going to be one thing in there that is hopeful. It's fear, fear. When Trump was trying to overturn the election, look at this idiot, what a need.

Nobody ever said, hey, maybe there was something going on here. I never once, I opened that thing up every morning, every single morning. I'm a phone and all I wanted to see was Donald Trump might have a point here. Never. Why? Because that's not the narrative. Fear, fear, fear.

They made their, because now all of a sudden, they're starting to rewrite the rules in the United States where you're a domestic terrorist if you support Donald Trump. That should sound weirdly familiar to anybody that's read Guleg. Look at the verbiage of, go look at the verbiage of a Kuwack. Watch the change that happens in the word Kulak from its origins to where it came in as something that was punishable by camp, right? This is just, these camps are just,

hey, let's see what happens here, right? Okay, we can get away with this, we can get away with that, we can get away with this, we can get away with this, we can get, like you said, this doesn't happen overnight. This happens one little experiment at a time. So when you can't understand why, like I told Ken, what, three months ago, I think we're talking about this, and everybody's like,

just don't understand COVID. I don't understand what's going on. So take this coffee cup, for example. If I hold it right here so that all I can see is that white dot, what is it? I don't know. It's a white thing. I don't know. Right?

But I back it up a foot. And you're like, oh, that's a coffee cup. Right? Right now, the media has us looking this far away. They have us looking this far away. And we can't see the forest for the trees, especially somebody that hasn't educated themselves on the patterns of history. So everybody's like, okay, this is good.

This is good. Like I said, there's going to be people that they send this kid to the camp. Sorry, it's a hotel is where they're holding everybody. Yeah, an isolation hotel. Yeah, isolation hotel. So there is no gas chamber in the goddamn hotel. Let's, you know, I don't think that people are going to gas chamber. I always say that because it holds a certain amount of oath when you say it.

No, no, no, no, let's dissect that for a second. That is the way the world works right now. Is if you are an extreme, nobody listens. So I get what you're doing. Yeah. I also get by... But they're doing it too. No, I understand.

And that's what makes it even wrong when I do it. Like, I understand that. It sucks that we have to say that. Like, it sucks that you can't just say, they're sending them to an isolation hotel and people go, like, oh, geez, that's a little bit gross. But if you say isolation hotel nowadays with the amount of that they've reiterated, a redeveloped verbiage, you're like,

oh, that sounds actually like it might not be a too bad place. If I got a PlayStation, you know? Free Wi-Fi. You call them. I got to play PlayStation. It was pretty good. Oh, I loved it. They give me all these

electronical distractions for 14 days, and now I'm back home. Sean, you're a perfect one to, like this is why Tanner and I do this is we're just, there's overlap in our beliefs, but I find you're, I enjoyed coaching you in hockey.

I found Sean and I, and I enjoyed doing a podcast, YouTube Tanner. Don't worry, Ken. You can talk about it. I'm not going to get butter to you. No, no, but it's just good to have people

who have hardened opinions or people that are strong. Doesn't have say tan. No, but what I found is it's going to make out. No, it's good to have people in your life who are, you know, have an alternative way of thinking or can oppose you on something or can push back. And Sean, I compare hockey a little bit to soft war, right? It's where like, you know, you're going up against Dewberry Mustangs and Sean and I were the two that could always kind of like go for lunch or, you know, debate.

and go like, okay, how are we going to, you know, how are we on the artillery? What do we got for aircraft? What do we, you know, and I always found Sean's opinion could kind of be like, here's the way I see it. I see this, I see that. And so between, like to me with what we're talking right now, and Sean, you can cut us off any time because I'm sure your listeners, you know, none of us are politicians, none of us.

I tell you what, I say this all the time, guys. I'm enjoying it. Yeah. So you don't even have to release it. You know, nobody wants to hear these, these mugs gaps. No, no, no. You guys are really kind of like bullies. Before you finish your comment, let me be very clear here.

This is getting released. There was a reason I had you guys on. I respect your opinion. I assume every listener that is still listening right now because my listeners listen to the entire thing, whether I'm talking to some guy talking about hockey old stories or whatever it be, They're still listening.

If they want to turn us off, they can turn us off. Sure. And if they don't enjoy this, Kenny, they can turn it off. And I, even if they love it, I still recommend they be critical of all of us. Because if there's any one piece of vice that I think stands the test at time is we should edit everything and make sure that what we're talking about makes sense. The fact three of us are talking about it, the fact that I brought you on, should pose to my listeners. that I'm starting to become concerned about this.

That's why I'm having you on. Isn't because I'm like, hey, let's talk about some shit. It's like, no, there's some shit going on. And I don't know how to, you guys have been digging into it for six months. So to me right now, if we either got to agree to support, come out this democratically or not democratically. You know, I think you've got to pick our first line of attack, if you will. If we come out democratically, which I think is we got to go.

with because it's produced some some beautiful parts of humanity here like are we saying north america or individual rights and freedoms and okay so if we're going to come at that first i mean before we go to tanner's uh you know fortify and uh you know arm up you know i i i think we've got to come at it and we got to try to try to hold on to what we have this this beautiful mona lisa i call it a beautiful mona lisa if we've got to come out democratically that means we got to do with votes and if we don't like the political parties as they're sit you can you can tell me where you're your because tatters laugh has anybody seen the mona like because it's not beautiful have you actually have you actually seen i haven't seen it

i've walked i've walked by the monolese you've seen it oh yeah and that's not beautiful it's a bad example no it's it's probably when you see it you're probably like that's what it is yeah well shit that was very underwhelming okay statue of david it doesn't know but what i'm getting again. I know what you're saying. Everyone who's never seen it says it, but what I laugh for it is you've actually seen it. You'd probably pick a Picasso painting or something, right? Sure. Pick something beautiful that's nearing perfection. Yes. Yeah. That's all I'm laughing about. I wouldn't even hit that. But if we're going to do that, you know, I think if I have to look back at myself 50 years from now, and if this does spit out of control, I'd be like you had the democratic process right in front of you.

Right. And if the three of us are sitting in this room, we're not alone. And the fact is, if this goes to a vote of do you agree with the charter rights and freedoms or do you disagree? And if it goes to a vote and we all have a chance to have our debate and we lose 75% to 25%. We all got a choice to make. You know, is this where we're going to stay? We're going to move somewhere else in the world, right? We're going to head to the Bush. We're going to join them.

You know, like, you have to respect the democratic process, I think. But how do we even do the democratic process? Right now, like we can't meet. We can't join forces. We can't, right? Which isn't a coincidence. I know, but so what are we going to do? What do we do?

If you had to come back to you this point right now. I've been arguing this side for a long time. Tanner's laughing at me. But I've been saying this for a long time. I've said this for probably five plus years. Why is it that the best of us aren't in politics? You couldn't get to the talk. No, no, no, no, that's not the answer I got.

That's not your answer. The answer I got was there's no money in it. and I always said and I still say and now I sound like whatever is yeah but you reap what you sow so you don't go after the money but eventually it comes to a point

where you have a business but they tell you can't run so now the money gone and you're going what the fuck is going on it's like well you should have gotten like when you have control like think about it

what level of politics though because I think in order to get higher up, you would have to do things that, us three wouldn't. You think the only way to get to the top? It's just corruption and just nasty. I guarantee it.

I bet you you wouldn't have the stomach to get to be. But what if it's the only way? Well, that's what they said. Are you going to sell your soul to the devil on the way, though? Because maybe by the time you get there, you're just one of them. But maybe Sean decides that he said, you know what? That's it. That's all the motivation I need.

I'd rather die trying. Somebody famous said, like, it's better to enter the arena and have dust on your face and take a few rounds and fail with having entered the arena. The two have never entered the arena before. I don't know who said it. It just kind of rung true with me when I read it years ago. That's better than sitting here going, I'm not going to bother trying. I won't step into the arena because it's, it's, I won't win anyways. You know, like if, if.

What if you do win? That comes like, that's my question is, Paul, it. We had a joke the one day at the coffee shop is the mayor the they're having the city elections here. A couple of guys are sitting there and they're like, you should run for mayor. We're laughing because obviously that'd be a terrible idea. But I said, well, we got talking about that. I said it wouldn't be becoming a politician, a mayor, whatever. It wouldn't be becoming that person.

Like, I mean, that probably takes a severe amount of just, I can't even imagine what it takes to get there. But once you're there, imagine trying to keep everybody. Like, so all of a sudden, your ideology doesn't matter anymore. Because you're now trying to satisfy everybody, every day. But politicians are what set up the United States, you know, It's what put together, Charter Rights and Freedoms,

put together Declaration of Independence. You know, some people put together their minds to create something beautiful. So I kind of... And they're rewriting all the firewalls they put into that Declaration of Independence. Sure, but we're 300 years past that. Oh, yeah.

It's changed. I mean, things have changed. But... What if we did that, like, you know, they... Can remember who ever said this, but it doesn't matter. If it affects my life,

positively I just absorb it is talking talking your way through just even just talking can get you leading to a solution absolutely that's exactly what you and brainstorming yeah brainstorming and the what if it was just this what if what if us three were all the borders in Alberta and all in Saskatchewan and we just went to each political party and said here's the deal do you stand by charter rights and freedoms and will you put it back in place as fast as you can as in like tomorrow morning and if it's a no perfect good enough go to the next one do you stand by the charter rates and freedoms and will you put it back in in full effect tomorrow morning no okay and if you get to knows the answer is obvious you need to start a new party and then what i mean that you know what

put the charter rights and freedoms back in place but i mean then you have to give stand for freedom but your chances are they tried to do that in alberta with the wild rose thing and it split the votes and the the the least the two political parties came to you There's one political party. They split it trying to build a new political party. And in doing that, let their opposition come right down the middle and take over. I can't believe we're going to take the Tanner's take on this. You're ready to bench press a personal record.

You failed the first time. You ever come back? Not that day. Not that day, but do you come back? Or do you just say it didn't work the first time? No, you go back. So why don't we use that analogy on, on, on, um, politics.

Because I don't have to live with my decision of the bench press for four years. I'm not saying you have to. You know what I mean? But why do we just go find Mr. or Mrs. reasonable that says I'm, I'm okay with people wearing masks, not wearing masks, but we're going to put the charter rates of freedom's back in place tomorrow morning.

And that's it. That's all I need to vote for you. You know? Right. Whether you think we should increase government debt, decrease government debt, you should corporate taxes up a percent per cent per, that's small.

Charter rates and freedoms are my maker break. That's my line in the sand, if you will. So I don't see why we just don't do that. What else as Lloyd Minstrates? If we can't figure out Canada, we can't figure out the United Nations, we can't figure out the world. What are us as Lloyd Minstrates, just go to our politicians and go to the, you know, Colleen Young and go to Garth, Roswell and just say, charter rights and freedoms where you're at? You're going to put it back in?

No, perfect. Let's go to Plan B. You're getting closer to my standpoint. Interesting. What are you, Sean? Like I say we're, you don't solve this. You solve this with three people. Think about it.

If we can find a way to leverage power, let's say, because all this is is power. That's all it is. Right? That's why politics love. Like politicians look at them, they're just these impotent little men that just love power.

from what I can see anyway. Why don't we make you premium then? No, it might not work, but it might work. Are you calling me an impotent little man? No, I'm just saying. We got it, like, if we go back to some notes, if we solve this like a math problem, we solve this like a math problem,

the president, the government, you and I. Right. We got to agree. Is that true or false? Is that true or false? Right. What do you think? I think that the government becomes what we need,

what we want them to be. Yes. So then if that's true, then it's you and I. So what are we going to do? Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Because I think that as people, you need to start saying, okay, quit looking so big.

Mm-hmm. Don't look big. Look small, right? So you're going to say, okay, if I know that Kenny and Sean won't run to the hills as soon as something bad happens, that's your first step. Because you're going to have 200 people standing there ready to fight. And if shit hits the fan and 150 of them run to the hills, then you're screwed. Now you're the first one's dead

and nobody ever wants to be the first one's dead. So that's the thing is that's what comes right back to the start of what I said. You need to have strong, competent individuals to begin with. So I think if we all get, because naturally if you start getting strong and you start getting, and I don't mean physically,

that's everybody I was like, oh yeah, I know, you big meathead. That's, of course what you'll say. No, it's reading, reading books, educating yourself. And I want to say something, too, about what you said earlier about reading. I can't read. Like, it's not that I'm illiterate. If I read a book, if I used to read this page and you tell me what's on there, I can't tell you.

I can't comprehend words on paper. I don't know what it is. I'm an idiot, I guess. How about audio? That's what I mean. So ever since podcast came along, podcast and audiobooks, all of a sudden I went from an IQ of like, or not IQ, that doesn't ever change, but I went from. from somebody that was pretty stupid to somebody

that can at least regurgitate stuff that makes me sound smart. You just found a means of putting information to your head. So that's what I mean. So that's what I mean. So that's why be go and find a way to educate yourself, right? Whether it's podcast, whether it's, right, go and learn. Learn.

And that's part of what we talked about. Learn, learn, learn, learn, learn, right? Get stronger. Get better. Like I said, if you're worried about COVID, get rid of the comorbidities. Because now you won't have to worry you so much, right? We've already said it.

If you're 55 pounds, 100 pounds over one, weight, that doesn't work, that your cognitive abilities start to not work well with that body composition. Get yourself strong. Get yourself in shape. Get yourself confident. Get yourself like, go get badass. Then you can start talking, start influencing other people in the same. And then you're going after this as a strong group of people, not just a bunch of people that as soon as shit hits the fan, you're going to be like, okay, well, I got to get home because I got to work tomorrow. You know what I mean? Like it's like the senior hockey.

Any other games on. It's like you talk about the, I was laughed at this. I was laughed at this. So I grew up out by the Dewberry Mustang area and I know all those guys. Well, not all, but a lot of them pretty good. Why did they win every year? Because every year. Well, you guys did.

Yeah. But you guys, that was shooting a dying horse, I think of that. Just kidding. Kid of me? I'm kidding. I just needed to. I need to. I needed to get to get them.

I needed to get to. I. You just lost. Fuck you, buddy. That's it. Podcast over. Listen, but what I'm saying, though, is those guys, the reason why they were so effective for so many years is you guys as like other teams outside of them all had a safety meeting or a sales meeting the next day that you're like, well, I can go on the corner and stick that guy and see what happens. Or I can not do that because I don't really need my teeth and knocked out my face smashed in for my sales meeting tomorrow.

Those guys had to go feed cows and run their horses. So they're like, fuck, I don't care what I look like tomorrow. Yeah, I think that's way too simplest. But what I'm saying, though, is we have so much, we think we have so much to lose nowadays that it's going to be very hard for people to take a stand because there's so many leverage points that they can take from us. I don't think, I don't, I would argue that.

I don't think it's because we have so much to lose. I think that, as Ken has maybe pointed out, life is really good now. I mean, think about it. Like, shit, I've talked to enough old people in the archives to know they went through some shit. They've seen some shit. Yep. We haven't seen that shit. No.

And what we're discussing is not going back into the shit. I don't know if that's the right way to put it, but the agreeance that things are not right, and that is uncomfortable. And it is way too easy to just sit by and go to work, collect your serve check, do whatever you've got to do. I don't mean to, I'm trying to pull this all into this. I really don't give a shit if you got a full-time job

and you're making the best money ever. If you're broke and you're losing your house, it doesn't matter. At this point, I want everybody to hear this. Like, think about this. You're a parent

or you're the son. You're coming back to Canada and they've taken you to somewhere whereas the son or the parent you can't know and you are not allowed to contact. In a world where we have the ability

to contact the other, other side of the world right now see each other talked with on though why in the fuck as a government we'd not allow that when all we're worried about is listen a cough a disease like we're just worried about you getting sick that's all we're worried about listen you can you can't you got to come with us because we've got to verify it because we right you came from china you came from Japan. You came from the United States of America,

South Africa, Europe, it doesn't matter. We're worried about you. But that's not what's being said. Nope. And that needs to be alarming. I'm not saying that needs to all of a sudden you shoot up

out of your chair while you listen to me, but that should be alarming. Look what you did there. You tried to put people to imagine it was them. Right? Because it's always like in Britain, I've read a book, if one of you have read, I don't even know what book it came out of, but when the bombs were dropping in Britain, when the Germans were bombing, the first few times

they would sound the bomb alarms. Have I already told you this story? They would say everybody, you know, get under your desk, get in your basement, you know, head for protection. And they all would. And I don't know how many times it was, but when the alarms would go off and you didn't get bombed, you weren't, you didn't die. Your brain told you that it won't get you anymore. Right? So it was like, this has happened 50 times now. I haven't been bombed. Therefore, it's always going to kill somebody else. Right. And so then I guess what happened is people stopped heading for protection. which honestly kind of makes sense, doesn't? Oh, 100% of us. We do the exact same.

I mean, we all look at the World War II and bombs. Like, why wouldn't you? But if you, the alarms went off 50 times, you weren't bombed once, it's human. You start to be like, yeah, this can't be that for real. And so my point is that I think we could all do that to where, as long as it's happening to somebody else that they're getting hauled off or that's their business being lost or their home being lost or their companies down the tubes or it's their son or daughter or wife that got hauled off to the camp.

camps and it's not going to happen to you. But that's very, very dangerous thinking, you know, I think, right? Is it the reality of it is people did die in those bombs, you know, and you had a one-in, however many million chance that it was going to be you every single time. The probability was there was a, it was a bunch of bingo balls rolling out. And if your ball number came out, then it was you. Well, and what you're saying there is people are dying at COVID. We're not arguing COVID right now.

We're arguing what the government. is doing. Yeah, arguing COVID's pointless. Yeah. There's no, no. It gets nowhere. It's what it is. There's enough smart people

that are telling us it's real, which means it's real. We can argue how bad it is. It doesn't matter because at the end. But we can all start to feel what the government is doing, and that is alarming. Yep.

And the more days of pass becomes more alarming. And I can't sit here and say that we should all meet on December 14th. We should be at this precise location and do this exact thing. Because if I knew that, I would do that. I don't know that. But I want people to understand that there's a mother that's bawling her eyes out because she doesn't know where her son is.

And the only reason they're detaining him is because he didn't take the right COVID-19 test. Like, think about that. Hey guys. That is where we're going to leave it for the day. I found a new issue with my platform. I hit a file size limit. That's a first time. As if you've been a long time listener of the show, I've never had that issue before. So that's where we're going to leave it for today. I want to know whether you enjoyed this, what your thoughts are. I'm curious. I'm genuinely curious on what everybody else has to say about what we talked about. so shoot me a text 587-217-850-0 or hit me up on social media all right everybody have a great day and stay positive out there help one another and we'll catch you on Friday like I said

an SMP archive episode coming up excited for another story of Lloyd Minster and yeah have a great week guys