Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #160 - Curtis Clark

Episode Date: March 22, 2021

Curt & I go waaaaaay back - both grads of the 2004 class and this has been a long time coming (been trying to convince him do this for forever)  Curtis graduated with a degree in Environmental Management & now with his wife Morgan they have started a company Green Island Farming Co. which aims to give you natural products for your garden. We also discuss the way he approaches life & business through Ikigai.    Let me know what you think Text me! 587-217-8500   Check them out: instagram.com/greenislandfarmingco

Hi, this is Brandon Holby. Hey, this is Tanner, the Bulldozer Bozer. Hi, this is Brian Burke from Toronto, Ontario. This is Daryl Sutterin. Hello, everyone. I'm Carlyagro from SportsNet Central. This is Jay On Right. This is Quick Dick, quick, tick coming to you from Tough Moose, Saskatchew. Hey, everybody, my name is Theo Fleary.

This is Kelly Rudy. This is Corey Krause. This is Wade Redden. This is Jordan Tutu. My name is Jim Patterson. Hey, it's Ron McLean, Hockeynet in Canada, and Rogers's hometown hockey, and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks.

Happy Monday. I hope everybody's doing well today. We got a great one on tap for you, but before we get there, let's get to today's episode sponsors. Carly Clause and the team over Windsor Plywood Builders of the podcast studio table. I had to call Carly.

Well, actually, I stopped in and saw him. I had to ask him, can I drill holes into this sucker? And he looked at me kind of like, you're an idiot, but yeah, sure, it's wood. I mean, yeah, you can drill holes into it. I got some plans for the studio. And good old Carly's always working with me on my silly ideas.

But for you guys, for everything would, including something like the podcast studio table, these are the guys. Whether you're looking for custom work, take a look at the team, what they can do for you. They got custom butcher blocks, custom live edge tables, and they do a whole, just mantles, decks, windows, doors, sheds. I mean, they got it all, all right? When you want quality, stop in and see the group at Windsor Plywood or just hop on your phone and do what I do. I was listening to a little creep in.

I'll creep on their social media. Give me a call 780 875-9663 and see what they can do for you today. Mortgage broker Jill Fisher, her name says it all. She proudly serves the area of Lloydminster, Bonneville, Cold Lake, for a million, and she's looking forward to working with you for all your mortgage needs. And I know you're going, oh, yeah, great. What the heck do I need that for? Well, it always pays to have somebody a little bit smarter than you.

Take a look at what you're currently paying. Maybe you're two years in. Maybe you're just about to come up on your renewal. Let somebody with a little experience, take a look and see what you can do for you. Mortgage rates right now have never been, I mean, historically, lower. And so there's an opportunity that maybe you can save a bit of money. All right.

How about you give Jill Fisher a call? 872, 2914 or visitor website jfisher.ca. Clay Smiling, the team over at Profit River, they specialize in importing firearms from the United States of America. They pride themselves making the process easy for all their customers. The team at Profit River does all the appropriate paperwork on both sides of the border in order to legally get the firearm into Canada and into your hands. Also, they take care of registering the firearm and transferring to your PLA, PAL, or FAS,

before shipping them by mail, courier, or bus to wherever you are. Just go to profitriver.com and check them out today. They are the major retailer of firearms, optics, accessories, serving all of Canada. T-Barr-1 transport. Since 2002, for more than 19 years, a team of T-Barr has offered excellent service, putting the community first. They are located in both Lloydminster and now Bonneville. They can cover all your heavy hall needs.

They have a fleet of tank movers, 45-ton pickers, 1-5-ton pickers, tons, flat decks, five tons, 15 tons, Texas bed, winch truck, highway tractors, and they're hiring. The boys are looking for swampers, class one drivers, picker operators. Whenever I bump into the fellas, they look kind of worn out, like they're working hard and they could use some help. So if you're interested or looking for a job, give them a call, 780, 205, 1709, or if you're looking for some heavy hall needs, give them a call, right? That's T-Barr 1, 780, 205, 1709.

Jan Gilbert and the team for over 45 years since 1976, the dedicated realtors of Coldwell Bank or Cityside Realty of Servloid Minster in the surrounding area, they have star power and providing their clients with seven-day-a-week access. Service is a priority of them because they know big-life decisions are not made during office hours. So give them a call, Coldwell Banker, CitySide, Realty for everything in real estate, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 780, 875, 3343. The SMP billboard across from, wait a second, not the UFA anymore. It's moved.

Why don't you go take a look, see if you can spot where it is now, the team over at Reading Right, doing amazing work, putting me in a new spot, making me look sharp, and just doing what they do, all right? If you head into any of these businesses, make sure you let them know you heard about them from the podcast. All right. Here we go. Here is your T-Barr 1, tale of the tape. Originally from Lloydminster, Alberta,

he graduated from Lakeland College with a degree in environmental management. Along with his wife, Morgan, there are entrepreneurs who started Green Island farming in 2018. Since then, they have been on the cutting edge of building the best natural products for growing your plants. I'm talking about Curtis Clark. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Curtis Clark, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by a long-time friend, Curtis Clark. So first off, thanks for hopping on.

Yeah, thanks, Zumer. Thanks for having me. So, first off, I'm glad you got out of bed this morning for me. We're doing this a little ass backwards, so to speak. We're in here awfully early. We're rubbing the cobwebs out of our eyes, but both of us are coffee lovers. So, I mean, this, to me is easy. I was getting up regardless. to have you come sit and have a bullshit and have a little bit of fun. I'm excited for this. Yeah, you betcha. Yeah, I'm a morning person, so, and with two kids, one on the way, that's, yeah, nothing new there. How is the wife doing? Morgan's good, yeah.

When's your third one coming? End of June. End of June. And did you find out yet? No. Surprise. Both of them are a surprise, so. You, uh...

We did, we talked about it. I was good with finding out on this one, just for to be able to clear clutter, pure clutter at the house. And she said no. So we wait. But it's exciting. I don't know. Both of them were, yeah, pretty, I don't know.

It's a cool, a cool, I don't know, surprise. So. I haven't taught you anything. Three kids is a lot. Oh, no, I've been listening. I've been listening. Yeah, pretty soon they outnumbered. We were, I was telling somebody the story the other day.

So Casey is what now, like a year, a year and a half-ish. Anyways, it doesn't matter. He can open up doors now, right? So he can like literally, so if you don't lock the front door, you'll catch him trying to go out the front door, which is unnerving. And as a good point, parent, then you're supposed to lock the door at all times. Well, we didn't lock the garage door one day

and Mel and I are sitting there talking in the kitchen and also were like, where's Casey? So, of course, frantic panic. We're running around the house. Open up the garage door and the garage door is actually open. So it's open to the street. So now you can imagine the panic goes

from cool three to a 12. Go running out there. You know, like is he playing in the street? Oh my God, we're reading his parents. And there he is. doing haunt laps around the car thinking he's having the grandest time so three you it's just like you can never keep tabs on all of them but I mean at least out on your guys's place they can run into the field and you don't have to worry about traffic so to speak and yeah we can spot

them now uh you're in town for the weekend uh and obviously what I wanted to get you on to talk about is I've been harassing you about this for it's got to be a couple of years now Curtis is exactly what your hat says Green Island farming. And I thought maybe we could just start with what is Green Island farming or who is Green Island farming and kind of give a little background on what you've got going on. Yeah. So, yeah. So Morgan and I started Green Island farming.

Kind of 2018 decided we could make some compost with high quality ingredients, buy products from our local producers, local farmers down in Bow Island is where we're based. So that's where Morgan's originally from, family farm. We live out there now, built our forever home out there. And we just decided see if we could do something with our land. So my background is in soil sciences and land reclamation. So is Morgan's. And she's got a bit of a farming background as well.

and we kind of experimented for a couple years, making product, tweaking, and then ended up getting here, I guess, with the product that's ready to launch and still always tweaking, I guess. Now, the reason I say I've been picking on you for a couple years is because you've been working at this for, you know, we were talking just before we started this. Like, it takes a long time to, well, to become successful, it takes a lot of work behind the scenes that nobody ever sees.

And lots of times that's years. We're not talking like a month or two. We're talking years. And for Green Island farming, like I just go back to the days of you tested out hops and different things. You've always been trying to find that thing. What was it about what you're doing now, the composting that, I don't know, like break it down for me a little bit. because when I first saw, and I'm going to put up some pictures on when this gets released on social media, so people can see what I'm talking about. But there's this picture you sent me once upon a time, and if I do justice to the story, please, or if I don't do justice, please correct me.

But essentially, there's two plants, the identical plant. One has this compost tea that you guys make, watered with it once, and then the other one, just plain water, and then you leave it for 30 days. And the story I tell people is Then you show the picture So when they start to when the end And the one with compost tea 30 days later looks like it's a fake plant Like it's so green and like

It's crazy to look at Whereas the other plant looks like it's dying A slow death Actually a fast death And so I looked at that And I'm like Holy man, why isn't Curtis Just like

Like just fast-tracking this So that in two months He is doing this full time and that's what he's doing because you have a product that I looked at one picture and I'm like, wow, this is brilliant. Like this is an easy sell to anyone who ever sees this because you can visually see it and that's one picture. Yeah, I guess trial and error for a couple things. Wanting to make sure what we're putting out is as top quality as it can be. And I think it's a little bit in my nature too, just to not, not to hold back. But I think just to make sure everything

is exactly how I'd want it. So some people probably would have launched it within two months and said, we're going gangbusters and that's it. For me, it was just a little bit of a, wanting to get it near perfect. And perfect's a bad word, probably, because we're always going improve on it, I think. But yeah, and trialing it. So I've spent over a year and had other growers and stuff try it just to get their experience response and wanted to make sure we're not just selling something that looks good, right? Needs to work. And it does. So the story that you're explaining there, there were a piece of lily plants, but we've done it. it for many house plants, seedlings, you name it, we've tried it. Morgan would probably be happy

when the trials are done. Our basements filled with plants. But that's part of the deal until we have some more space, right? The basement is the workshop. So is the grow up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the, yeah, so, so that plant in particular, watered it for about three months. kind of routine watering. I didn't, I didn't baby anything. I didn't put it through like a research trial. I did it how a normal person would water their plants. You come home, you forget to water your plants one day, every other day, just kind of put it through a real world experience, right? So then had the idea. Let's see, we can talk about it too here, but what our product provides is some nutrients, but also provides, I guess, supports the microbes in your

plant's soils, boost that our product has microbes in it, just naturally occurring, but really high quality, high numbers of them. And that's where you also see the difference in the plant after 30 days of watering. So basically, we stopped watering and just thought, let's put it through a stress test, right? Put it through that test. And the one that didn't have the, what I would compare as like a natural environment of watering with our compost tea, where it's getting nutrients, it's getting microbes,

it's basically living as it would more or less in its natural state, versus just watering and little blips of fertilizer. After 30 days, you've seen it. The one was wilted just about to death. Kind of felt bad for the plant. But, yeah, our plant just seemed to thrive. And it's not that it didn't start to wilt, but it wasn't until about day 40 that it really started to go down.

So, and at that time I recovered the other plant just to, I guess, save my 25 bucks or whatever. But, yeah, and we recovered it too. So that plant that you've seen that looked like shit. Started watering it with our teeth, came back. I think I sent you the photo, got it to flower. It's perfectly fine. Seems to be happy in the basement again. And here we are.

Growing up, did you ever think you were going to be a plant whisper? Yeah. I mean that in the best way, but I mean... No, that's, yeah, no offense. You, I know you got your background in, well, list off your title again. Yeah. degree, sorry, what I took in schooling. So I have a conservation reclamation background.

Thank you. So you've dealt with plants in the environment for a good majority of your career. But I don't know, did you ever see yourself having a basement full of plants and being like, no, not a blind guy. Well, how did you, how does this come? Soils, soils. I enjoy. So, so, yeah, to kind of step back, land reclamation in,

in what I do in the oil field, the consulting work I do is, is abandoned wells, do full reclaims. So native prairie, cultivated lands, don't do any forestry work or anything, but that's, soils is, I guess, the, the lifeblood of the reclamation approach. So if you don't have good soils, you're in trouble. So that's where I think the gardening world relies a lot on the shiny bells and whistles, I guess, of the big giants, some of the fertilizer companies. That sales pitch. And I guess for us stepping back, we're really simple. I mean, I put that as easy as possible.

Like, we like simple. I don't think gardening needs to be overly complicated. I'll just say I'm not a plant guy. So if somebody thinks I'm, well, he's probably got a green thumb or Morgan's got a green thumb, fuck, if we can find a way to kill something, we will. Like it's not a matter of just comes naturally to us.

So I figured with strong soils, you become a good gardener. And that's kind of how we got into it. was if we can give somebody something that's high quality, has that sustainable, kind of repurposed byproducts from our egg industry, then, yeah, we can. Well, that's the other cool piece that I've got to at least see firsthand is like, you're taking waste, organic waste, but you're taking waste and repurposing it to do meaningful jobs of like and doing it well not like that's where I come back to when when people hear and see

this episode they got to hop on social media and just check out your guys's page green island farming or the the podcast I'll put up some pictures of it just to see the visual is like man it's impressive yeah of what you guys are doing and the fact it comes from all stuff that's probably sitting at the dump uh yeah going nowhere and you guys are repurposing that to helping the environment, helping people like me, who's a dummy when it comes to plants and probably leave his plant for two months. I didn't say, I can say, he's like, oh, man, we're going to need to get you the best herbal tea ever out there.

I can help you out. What are you calling the tea? Granny Annie. Granny Annie. Granny Annie tea. Yeah. Where did you get that come up with the name, Granny Annie? We had a company help us with basically some of our story and stuff,

and they really felt like it was a down-home, just a real simple product, right? So we've built characters around it. Basically, we don't want to intimidate anybody. This is as simple as it can get. If you can steep a tea to drink, you can steep something like this. You drop it in a bag. I'll let you try it after. You get reusable tea bags.

throw it in a vat of water, let it soak for a couple hours, up to 12 hours, water your plants, and that's it, right? So it's, yeah, as simple as I guess it could be, no measuring, no nothing, you just drop and go, right? So, but just to back up, wanted to make sure any listeners understand kind of where our byproducts are, because he kind of said, taking stuff from, you know, making sure it's not at the landfiller or something like that. So what we do is only buy products from growers, from so materials, so mint and dills. So down in southern Alberta, there's a lot of specialty crops down there.

And for me, I looked at it, it's beautiful organics. They have mountains of this stuff piled up. They spread it out onto fields, but we looked at it like we could take that and make a really high quality product. So that's where, I guess, the couple years of playing, I had piles mixed, different ratios, different recipes, different blends to, yeah, flipping it with my tractor.

Curtis, the mad scientist farmer. Basically, yeah, yeah. We have no trees at our place. You've been there, right? So everybody that drives by, I'm getting the way from, and they're thinking, what the fuck is that guy doing, right? So, yeah, that's, that's, for the people that Curtis lives south of medicine had out in the,

out in the boondocks, oh, no offense to where you're, like, you guys got a beautiful spot, but it's, the dry land. It's the dry land. It's, there's no trees inside. And there's these piles and Kurt Hoff around his tractor. Oh, man, that, uh, just knowing you're, like, we go back for the, for the, the viewer of the listener, me and Curtis, uh, went to high school together and, and, grew up together and did a lot of stupid things together.

And to see where you're at now, and I mean, you know, fast forward, I mean, you realize we graduated high school like 17 years ago now. Like it, it's crazy how quickly, you think time isn't moving along and all of a sudden you think about it. Oh, man. And now you got your third on her way and I got three, right? It's, it's cool to see where you're at. I'm excited for you that it's officially.

So can people, like, I'm excited to see. where you're going, but now that you're sitting here, and I've been trying to convince you to do this for two years to come on and explain it. You're like, I can't come on because what am I going to say? Yeah, I'm in the process of, yeah, that's right. So you coming on today, can people go get this? Yeah. So they will be able to hear, when you hear this, it'll be available here in Lloydminster

at Abbey Road Flowers. Yeah. So we've got a stock there and online as well. So if you go to your website website, sorry. Yep. What is your website for people? Green Islandfarming.ca. So you can see, yeah, go on to our website.

You'll see our story. You'll see what the material is, what's in it. And yeah, you can, yeah, you'll enjoy it. No, that's cool. Honestly, honestly, as I'm a little tongue-tie out here, honestly, I don't normally have people on, as you know, that have a product sell. I actually, I don't know if I've ever really thought about doing it, but I've been watching you for so long. I've been so excited for this because I'm like, this means he's like, you know, like it's go time. Like I think in, I personally think, in a year's time folks, Curtis

Clark won't have the time for the Sean Newman podcast. He'll be so busy slinging his granny Annie that, you know. Be flipping piles on my tractor. Yeah. Yeah, Sean, you want to come have an area, sure, but you've got to come flip three piles before we can do it. That's exactly right. Put you to work, yeah. Now, another cool thing about what you, from watching what you guys are doing is your approach to business. And maybe you could talk a little bit about what you're trying to do with the community and giving back and some cool things like that. Yeah. So, so I guess, yeah, when we started the company, we've always been attracted to, companies that give back, local large companies, you name it. And as we see that, yeah, that was one

thing that caught our attention. We thought, okay, well, we've got a great product, but we want to be something more than that. So we decided, yeah, we'll try and give back to our community where we can. No doubt about it. We're a small, tiny little company, right? But I think that can grow and people like that as small as something might be if we can expand it. So what we started with was if anyone goes on to our website or social media there, they'll see what Project Wildflower is. So again, back to kind of our background in land reclamation, I don't think it's a surprise to anybody to look around in the world and realize,

shit, we're losing out on a lot of biodiversity, right? Some people might, like with a lot of the cropping and just the way the world is, right? So we just figured we can help share the story of the, like some of the importance of biodiversity. So Project Wildflower, for every box you buy, we're just going to donate on your behalf plant wildflowers. So native wildflowers specifically. And with the intention that it will help just show a bit of exposure to the importance or help gain a bit of attraction to the importance of biodiversity, right? So that's from... Well, I got to stop there. I am a Neanderthal. Biobiversity. Give me a little bit of background here.

So that's like the habitat for your pollinators, your the birds, the bees, the bugs, kind of thing. So as we have kind of sprawl and just the way farming practices have moved, a lot of habitat loss, we're, yeah, we just need to support the natural world. We got to work with the natural world, not really against it, right? And I think people are starting to realize that now. You don't need to go and have an entire, you know, field side of just wildflower. It can be small bits here and there. And that's what our project wildflower is about. So we're teaming up with our community in Bow Island

to plant wildflowers in different areas of town. But really, at the end of the day, the goal would be if we can expand and gain some traction, is to share that. So we're not the only ones doing it. We can, other people can. teachings too, right? If people realize, oh, shit, so you mean I can plant a few native wildflowers and then that that has the bonus of their low maintenance for one. And two, you attract some

interesting bugs. I just see our kids, they're super interested in that as soon as we explain something to them. So they get it. It's fun to get them engaged. So I guess at the end of the day, our goal would be we can plant some of this stuff but we're wanting to share that more than anything right so that's that's part of the story yeah no that's that's that's interesting you know i part that's part of what i'm trying to do with the podcast is i'm personally trying to to like better myself and hopefully better the audience learn some things right have a open mind and hear some things when different people come on and it's easy when it's you because the history we have it's you know there's history but you know it's uh it's kind of you have to wrap your brain

around how important the little critters are because um you may not think you know the pollinators and the environment is important to what you know hey Curtis I live in a city cement everywhere What the heck do I care? If there's an extra wildflower or the bees got a spot to go pollinate or et cetera, et cetera, what does it matter to me? Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. And I assume you're like, you've got six things going through your head on why it matters.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, I've just, we've kind of taken the approach of we don't want to really preach at all. No, but that's what I love about it is. That's what people get checked out on. Yeah. Is fuck, I hate people telling me, you know, shaking their finger at it, right? At you.

And for me, I think if people just see it, it's not rocket science, right? Where you're looking at it's something good. It wouldn't do any harm. It's pretty simple to wrap your head around. Once you explain just that, yeah, we're losing some habitat. little things, a few little changes can make a big difference. And most people buy into that, not because I'm sitting here saying, you know, here's why you should care.

And if you don't, you're a real piece of shit, right? And, but that's a lot of way the world goes, right? That's the way of the world, isn't it? That's the way of the world. And we're so far opposite of that. Like, I'm not here to tell anybody one way or the other. We hope you like it and we think you will. No, I'm here to tell them they are going to like it.

Yeah. So I've been excited for this product. I've been excited for Granny Annie for two years. You could tell people that I've been harassing you for probably two years of like, okay, when are you coming down? When are you coming down, Chris? And then we, you know, and saying that, I guess it's got to be over two years. Because, you know, COVID's been going on for over a year now. So we haven't even seen each other in damn near two years or, well, not two years, but probably.

a while, right? Like you think about it, we usually get together, what, twice a year probably? Yeah. Well, for sure, we haven't got together in a year. So, I mean, it's been, I've been harassing you for a long time. I like that you're methodical. I think that if anybody's wondering, maybe I'll give it a try.

Now, give it a try. Throw it in there. Because I think what you're doing here is super cool. Now, I'm curious, could this, could, now, no, follow my brain here. Maybe I'm thinking sci-fi stupid, but could a farmer load up a vat, a giant, and spray this on a field and have the same effect or no? Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it would work at a larger scale. I don't know.

Yeah, bang for buck if that would improve enough. That's got you got to do a big, large trial now. that's going to take you five more years to have that. I got it. You're going to have piles spread everywhere to give me the answer to that. I don't want to put you into somewhere where you're not. I guess I just like, I hear it and I see and I go, man, I wonder, you know, farmers are always looking for new inventive ways to produce high yields, I guess, is all I was thinking.

And if you could just make it rain, a little granny annie, maybe all set in there like, wow, this stuff is amazing. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. So we've looked at some of the market. gardeners, cut flower growers, that sort of thing. That's kind of our scale where we can get it at the size we are. I think there would be probably growers out there with some of the, a little bit

of the new age regenerative egg practices that are becoming more popular. But that's, yeah, that's not our wheelhouse right now by any means. So, but I got to, I got to, I got to ask how have you been dealing with? Because we kind of mirror ourselves a little bit. We both have full-time jobs. We both are married. You are about to have three kids. I have three kids. And then on top of it, you're trying to do something that I assume, you know, like I'm looking at this

and I'm going, and for people I should point, I'm looking at this and I'm going, like you just, that doesn't come together over a coffee. That's a lot of work that probably went into that. How have you been dealing with the balance of work, life, entrepreneurial endeavors? Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of work, I think. It started out as a small idea, thinking we can do something, slowly grew, got some support,

didn't really, like I do, yeah, we work full-time as well. didn't jump in, quit our day jobs. So it's kind of been that piecemeal a bit over time. Yeah. What was your question? How does it? Well, just the balance. I'm just, you know, I'm just curious like,

there's a lot of early mornings. I have found, well, you're experiencing it right now, right? You can tell the listener that we're sitting here at 6. in the morning so that I can get this podcast done. Yes. So that I can go to do my full-time job, right? That is my life. I don't look at, I'm not mad about this.

This is just the way it is. I'm happy you weren't like, I'm not getting up at six. Like, we're not doing that. If you want to do this, it's got to be at 4 p.m. on a Tuesday with a coffee in hand or whatever. Because there are people like that, certainly. I just don't get to, I personally, to push this, don't get to live like that. I have to do it when the hours are there.

Yeah. You make it. I was just curious on your experiences on that similar journey because like, what do you call it? I call it the bullet. What is the big machine that you, the silver, I don't know, bullet. So yeah, yeah. That you got sitting on your firm. What is that?

That's a compost turner. Okay. So it's a 50 foot turner, loaded, just hits kind of perfect compost condition. So it's always kind of turning throughout the day. So why I bring that up is. So for the listener, my history of watching Curtis do this is, let's go back. I don't know. When do you think you started this?

Three years ago? Yeah, so three years ago, Curtis grabs some stuff, throws in in a pile, and let's sit there and essentially do its thing, right? Like, that's what composting kind of is. And I'm being very crude about how it is, but essentially. And then he dabbles and whatever. And, okay, yeah, oh, that worked great. Oh, that didn't. Oh, this is kind of cool, right?

And every time I come down, every six months, we'd talk about it. And I'd be like, oh, I'm like, this is kind of cool. Like, this is a cool idea. I wonder where this is going. And then the next time I come, you've got this 50 foot long compost turner that is not worth $10. Now there is skin in the game. It is, it is like, this is something. And I go, but you're still working full time.

You still got to provide for your family. You still got to do all these things. You've got to have this, like, balance. So I was just curious, you know, Yeah. What the balance? How life's been going? And I know you've written about, I don't know if I say it right, Kurt.

Ikigai? Am I saying that right? Yeah. Like is that? I think anyways. I am not an expert in that. I have my approach. We had talked about this last year, you and I.

So that's where I got the book from then, right? Yeah. Because I swear it was like deja vu. Yeah. Yeah. That you were listening to it. I've never even listened to anything. about it. Never read it. Heard a couple quick podcasts on it. I didn't feel like I needed to read it

because it's something that I already live anyways. So that's... The book Curtis and I are talking about and kind of vaguely is How to Icky Guy by Tim Tamishiro. Tamishiro. Yeah. And it's a way of living your life. Essentially chasing what you love to do. And if you do that, chances are you're going to be successful, chances are you're going to make some money at it. But there's four things. I can't rattle off the four things. Yeah, they're, there do something you enjoy, um, do something you're good at, do something the world needs and, and do something you can make money at. And the last one, take that, I always take that one with a grain of salt. And, and for me, I think earlier here when we, we started talking, um, said, we, we wanted to do something with our land, right? Um, that's

kind of why we got into trialing this. The nice thing with where we were at is we didn't have to invest our entire future. We bought one piece of equipment. We've got my father-in-law's tractors that we can use. We just used what we had, started small, never kind of went where if this goes belly up, we're done, right? We sell our farm. It's the end of Curtis, right? So, but So that's one thing, I guess, is we've kind of taken it slow and kind of strategic with stuff so that we're never too far extended kind of pay as we go. Basically, that's, I mean, we're working pay. So if this didn't turn out tomorrow, I'm not down pretty much anything other than a little bit in a machine,

which we can move. I mean, it's an asset for a large farm, right? So that was one thing that we always took is I'm not willing to sacrifice our, my family's future, our kids, you know, that sort of thing. Part of that, I guess, that icky guy approach, like I said, I've never read anything, not, yeah, I'm pretty disconnected if people, if you haven't figured that out, Sean, right? Not even on social media other than our business.

I think that's a pretty admirable thing. Admirable thing. So, but I guess for us, yeah, the starting out, we wanted to grow it, I guess, organically and see if it can just get into something more. But it's a passion of ours, right? Like I said, my background's in soil. So there's something that I enjoy. I'm good at it, right?

or I think I'm good at it. I've been doing it for 12, 13 years in land wreck. But now I'm bringing it to, instead of reclaiming countryside of abandoned well sites, I could do it to help people grow something in their yard, right? So it's just a different scale, same concept. Good quality soils, equal good plants, equal happy people, right? Happy world, that idea. So there's the good approach, the enjoy part, I like sitting on our tractor. I enjoy going out. I'm in the summer and stuff when we're working. I'm out in the field doing my day-to-day job. I come back at 7 o'clock at night or 6 or 5 we get the kids fed. They like going for a tractor ride. Then we fire up our piles mixing stuff, load every load our machine. And, and, and, you, and, you know, and,

that's my evening, you know. And if it, that I guess the few hours, some people would roll their eyes or be like, fuck, that sounds like a lot of work. For me, that's, that's the best part of my day, right? Or, I mean, like I said, I'm a morning person as well. There's been mornings where I'm out flipping shit at six in the morning before I'm off to work, right? Wave to the neighbors. There they go.

There's Curtis on the track, right? Flip it again. So I think that's the enjoy part. Something the world needs, I don't know if that's like, I don't try to get too philosophical with that. Like it's something that people could use. We don't ever, if you haven't picked up on this, but I mean, we're not sit here saying, sitting here saying, fertilizer is bad, you know, compost, good kind of thing. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, you know,

horrible person. We're not sitting here saying fertilizers are going to be the death of us and, and, and, and, because you check out pretty quick. If, if that's our story, um, and, and, and I've met some people that are doing similar things to us, and that's what it is. We want to go after every chemical company, every fertilizer company, you name it. That's their story, right? They're targeting them in order to bring down the empire. And I just, that doesn't get me engaged.

So there's kind of something the world needs. So it's like, hey, pick up a cool box. It's plastic-free. We figured we can do it plastic-free. Why not? Right? Doesn't mean that if, you know, we're completely waste-free or anything. We just want to show people that, yeah, you can get a pretty cool product.

Works really good. And it can, it's nice for the environment too, right? You know what I appreciate about how you're talking is, you're pretty well spoke. You know, I know you were nervous to come sitting here, but you're pretty well spoken on it. And I like that you mentioned over and over again that you're, I'm not sitting here preaching. People can do what they want. We're not saying we're perfect. And just being like honest about what your approach is.

Whereas so many things today are trying to ram it down your throat, trying to treat the consumer or the people of the world like they're idiots. And sometimes I'm a self-professed idiot. Like I don't know a whole lot, right? But it's cool. I just really like your balanced approach, I guess, on how you're trying to. I just think you're going to be successful. How, I've been telling you that for a long time. I've admired how you've, I'm a complete opposite guy.

I'm, you know, our styles are a little bit reverse. I'm like, if people have been listening since day one, there's probably 50 episodes where at times you've probably going like, what, and the world is Sean doing? Turn the mic up. Turn the mic down. figure this out, figure that up. And I'm like, well, I'm going to.

But I'm going to figure out on the fly. Because if I wait six more days, I want to push, and I want to push as hard as I can go. Like, I'm going to push this thing as hard as it can go for as long as I can go because that's the way, I don't know, my DNA is. And I admire that, think about it people. He's been sitting there for three years with this amazing idea, but he's been fine-tuning it.

So when it finally becomes Granny Annie in a box, you've got the best of Curtis Clark there. and Morgan, I should say. Yeah. And I'm really excited to try it. I'm excited. Like, Mel has been on me. Like, when does he come?

Because she's seen the pictures. She's like, I'm excited for this. I'm excited for a plant product. I never thought I'd say that, but that's pretty cool. Like, that's what you've done. And it's cool to have been of watched you this long. Slowly get to this point. Like, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, super cool, Kurt. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a work, work in progress. Yeah, it's been fun too. Like that's the other thing that I guess I don't want to discount is it's been fun. Lots of early mornings, lots of evenings. We work around.

Yeah, but you know, I remember, I remember, I want to go back. This is like seven years ago, okay? I remember telling, somebody asked me, what's my dream job? And I said, well, I never want to work weekends. I want to have as many days off as I want. I remember listing off all this stuff that was so like, I don't know. I don't even know the word. I wanted this perfect job where I didn't have to work, essentially, right?

And get paid a boatload of money for it. That's basically. And now I've done the complete opposite thing or having more fun. So when you say early mornings, weekends, evenings, whatever, if you're sitting working a desk job, you're going, oh, man, that doesn't. But maybe somebody loves a desk job, but for me either, right, just sitting behind it. desk all that time and having to be in late and up early it's like but you're you're getting to see me in my wheelhouse this I was excited to get up at five this morning to roll

in to set everything up to like this is fun and so when I finally found it and I feel like to be successful in life and to really enjoy what you do you got to find this for me it's sitting right here for you it's sitting on a tractor moving some shit around so to speak and a lot of people are searching for that. And it's cool to see that you've found it. Yeah. And I would say found it, put that pretty loosely too, because I don't know of what this is a great thing. People might think I'm crazy, but like this is what we're doing now.

Working awesome. Love it. But before we got into this, you mentioned, oh, that we grew hops. And part of that was I enjoy being busy. but I wanted, like I said, we wanted to do something with our land. So we grew hops. This is a story for off the record after. So maybe the best story in the world.

So short story is we grew hops. They grew really well. We thought we had some water access because if you search Bow Island, it is essentially feels like the desert. Morgan's going to hate me for saying that. But we ran into a water issue with a neighbor. And yeah, we'll just end it there. Didn't work out for the fact that hops need a lot of water.

And can you give the visual picture of you chopping down the... Yeah. I guess. I don't know. You can, yeah. Oh, Kurt. Kurt has all these, like, just imagine putting all your time into something. And then at the end, it not coming to fruition and taking an axe to a pole and just losing your ass.

We put up telephone poles to trial hops, right? And they worked really good until I found out we didn't have water. I was watering from our dugout with just a tank, right? And so that is sustainable for the 20-some varieties we were growing. Then after we found out the water issues. So yeah, Sean's right. I was out there, I don't know, chopping poles down with an axe. And Morgan's looking out the window.

What the fuck are you doing? And I was some pissed when I found out our neighbors. Things didn't go the way we were hoping. So anyways, those. I know you don't want to tell a story. But honestly, the visual of you like a mother. Windstorm. Right.

Yeah. Just swinging away, probably lightning around. And that's it. Yeah. Now, one of the other things you wanted to come on and talk about, We've talked about a little bit of your background, and I don't know if you want to talk about Icky guy anymore. It's a cool thing if people want to pick up a book, how to Ikeke guys. It's only like, it's a pretty short read.

I've heard similar philosophies. It's just a different take on it from a different culture. That's right. And essentially, it's fine what you love and do it, essentially. It seemed to connect with me. Like I said, I read it very superficial. Like, that's what I'm already doing day and day out. The last thing I guess I would just emphasize on is do something you can make money at.

And I think people get hung up because there's going to be a listener out there that says, oh, fuck, I would love to just quit my day job and go and start making music or something, right? I've heard that before and it's like, but I got bills to pay. No, the point is, like you said, you're going to do what brings you some enjoyment, maybe some purpose. Doesn't have to be a forever thing. I think people need to invest in themselves for that, whether you make money in it or not. And I think the important thing would be, well, I'll give an example.

So I'll use the music one, right? So somebody says, yeah, I enjoy making music. I'm good at it. I think the world could use it. And then, but how do you make money at? Well, I can't start a band and blah, blah, blah. Well, no, what about, and I don't know if it's a Tim Tamishiro or what exactly. I had heard about it and or the the idea was like maybe you could teach music lessons. Are you

going to get rich? No. But I think you would get a lot of enjoyment. Could it go somewhere else? Potentially. If it doesn't, are you down? No, you're not. So I think if people get hung up on the, the yeah, you know, that'd be great, but I got to go pay the bills. Yeah. I mean, we haven't made hardly a dime on our business. And at the end of the day, I would be sitting as an old man probably in our front porch swing saying, yeah, I don't regret that for one second, right? Obviously, not betting the entire farm on it, but yeah, I'll never lose sleep over it. Hopefully we make money on it or can pay us something. That would be a bonus for sure. But I think if people look at that and get hung up on that, you're missing the point, right?

And so much of the world, I guess, it's the need to get rich maybe idea. I don't know. I'm not on the social media. We define success by our bank account. That is a big push. What you will get hung up, listen, both of us are in a similar spot. My quote on the wall is whatever time you have, okay, I can't see past the light. Can you read it, please?

Whatever time you have at talk like you are trying to save the world. Now, out of context, you may get that, but it's Joe Rogan, as everybody knows here. I really enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast. Now, he has an episode like 948 or somewhere around there where he's interviewing an author, a lady, and she asks if people can get out of like essentially the rat race of like being in a job they don't like doing, blah, blah, blah. Essentially, I love doing music. It's like, okay, we'll start, right? And she goes, well, can you ever, you know, like, if you were a guy who works and has bills to pay and kids to feed and a wife and everything going on, can you go after what you want?

And Joe Rogan had this lovely little two-minute spiel about, well, it'd be tough. And I don't know if I could do it now where I'm at in life if I had to start from scratch. for most people if they can figure out at 20 what they want to do and go after it that's the best time because you don't have you know the bills to pay you know like you can go wherever you want because in theory you shouldn't be tied down by and I don't mean a woman ties you down for us to or a man if you're a girl I just mean like we the responsibilities change as time goes on as you get older but like you're right people get hung up on well I want to do music but there's no money there. Well, when I started this, and let me be very clear, there isn't a whole lot of money

in podcasting, but it's now become a hobby that pays, which is kind of cool. So I'm not sinking my own money into it, which is really cool. And what you're talking about with finding something that makes you light up, that's healthy. Like, it's really healthy. And what it'll change in your mind is, at least for me it did, is, you know, at one point in life, I wanted to be done work at four o'clock, two o'clock, noon. It doesn't matter the time. And I didn't want to have to think about it until the next day. And I wanted Friday to go off to the weekend, and I was living for the weekend.

And now I'm like, wow, man, I can't believe I thought like that once upon a time, because here I am six of the morning on a Monday, hammering this out, and I say hammering lightly, because I really enjoy whether this goes another 10 minutes or another hour. But so many people, when you talk about get hung up on the money, I agree. It's like, well, what is it paying you? Have you ever thought about what you're getting paid per hour? And I'm like, no, why the hell would I think like that? Like, I enjoy, if I'm getting paid $2 per hour right now or 50 cents or 25 cents, I'm still getting paid, I don't really care.

Like, sure, at some point, do you want it to make more? Yes. But it lights me up. It gives me a sense of, use the word I like right now is, or maybe I've always liked, but I'm hearing more, is purpose, a sense of purpose of what I'm trying to do in this world. and sitting talking to people has always been a strong... You've been good at it. I've been good at it. And now people get to join in on the journey, which is fun.

But I really hope when people hear what you just were talking about, maybe it's music, maybe it's... It could be writing. It could be anything. It could be starting your own company. Right? And what I would take from you is it doesn't like just start and just slowly start because, you know, I'm going to get.

get you to sign that book. I got a, I got a wedding book. Uh, I didn't, at the very start, I wanted something like, cool. Like, I have no idea, a picture for people to sign on the wall or something. Finally, I just ran out of ideas and bought a wedding book. And if I'm ever having a down day, I just flipped back through it and look at how far I've come. Right? And all that was was by grabbing a mic and starting. And so for you, it could, or for anyone, it could be a paintbrush. It could be, it could be anything. Yeah. For you, it was just starting, it was literally, putting a compost pile. Yeah, I've got pictures to show what we started with, the piles, right, that were flipping

and not glamorous, yeah, but fun, right? That's basically you get started and see where it goes. So I would encourage people that way just to start. Like you say, yeah, and I'm slow starter, right? Like I've said, I'm pretty, I don't know, calculated sounds like a pretty dark word, but that's that that's me. Like I'm pretty conservative with just trying to work our way through it, right? So not jumping in too quick.

Whereas shit, if somebody had the same idea, it could have been on the market for two years. I don't know. But I'm not losing sleep over that. But people just try to get started on anything, right? And it doesn't have to be anything grand. Shit, yeah, you name it. And I think people could, yeah, should try. And I think that would, well, look around in the world.

Well, it'll benefit all of us, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like the lovely thing is, is Curtis follows his passion. Now I get to see the benefit of it. I follow my passion. Some people will call it benefit. Other people will be like, I can't ever tune into that, right?

But, I mean, you get to experience the benefit of all these different things. That's what creators are. Now you get to experience a load of different things. Yeah. Now, one of the other things you'd, you'd, you'd mention was your thoughts on climate change. And I'm curious, Kurt, you're a smart guy. And you have a background in soil and everything else.

So lay it on me what your thoughts on climate change are. Well, that's a big, big topic just to say, lay it on. Lay it on me. I think people get hung up on, well, I shouldn't say get hung up on. you'll be surprised if I were to tell you, I don't know if I buy in 100%. People would say, oh, he's an environmental person. I've worked with in the oil field. I've worked with guys that have flat out said, well, you're just, you're tree hugger,

you're environmental, you have to believe in that. And I say, yeah, no, I'm not 100% bought in. I think there's some reasoning to it for sure. but there's probably some middle ground there. It's probably not, there's, people have a lot of money in play in a lot of that. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. My dad always says, follow the money, and you'll understand where people's, you know, I guess. Allegiance is lie.

That's right. So for me, yeah, I mean, I'm not connected on any kind of platform. So it's pretty raw theory, I guess, is, yeah, there's some problems for sure. My focus is more on people's, I'm a pro-energy person. So before anybody thinks, oh, yeah, here we go. We're going to get the story here. It's paid my bills. It's built some pretty awesome things in our world, our communities.

We need it 100%. What I do get hung up on is where people say, I'm not only pro, you know, energy from Western Canada, but I'm also not, I, the green energy is not as amazing, but there's pros to it. And the, your conventional energies are not as bad as they make as, as everyone makes it seem. I think it's somewhere in the middle, right? what I wouldn't I guess I look at it like I'm not I'm trying to think find the words here I'm more focused on the pollution and the change that might I guess come from what we're doing in the world so when somebody says yeah you need you need oil for products and plastics and and you name it, you're 100% right. I don't want to give any of that up. I can't remember who it said there the other day. I've heard it lots, right? The unicorn piss kind of thing, right? That's, and Heath McDonald. Yeah, and 100% right. When you get people throwing it down your throat at an extreme

level, right? But what I guess I would say for that is what I guess what I kind of counter with is how I would justify saying, yeah, I think we could probably cut back on some of our energy, some of our products. I would rather get it from Western Canada than dictatorship type oil 100% all day. People need to realize that. They've got to slap themselves a little bit if they're, you know, unfortunately the politics are just so ingrained out east with that Eastern or that Middle East oil and stuff. It's, I don't even understand it, but it's quite disgusting, in my opinion, that we're slamming on,

you know, some pretty good practices. Not perfect. I'm in the environmental world. It's not perfect. But perfection is, is not the goal, right? And I don't know. Can you ever be perfect? No, like, I think it's, we're continually getting better.

The other side of the scale, right? People that are pro-green, they want perfection. And they know that's, look, look no further than their own energy sources. That stuff ain't perfect, right? Like we all know that. Yeah, but they don't want to admit that. So I guess for me, what comes down to is the consumption, people's consumption. And so how I would argue, yeah, we don't need as much oil in the world. Oh, yeah, you still got to drive. I got a truck. I got tractors. Right. I know what the shit runs on. I know how to maintain them. But the egregious overconsumption of products, I think is what I fall back on when

I say, yeah, we probably don't need as much oil. Well, what do you mean? Look around your house. Look at all the Chinese made garbage, essentially, right? So we've tried to adopt, I guess, a little bit of a minimalist approach to our own home and stuff. And that's the, not saying we don't still buy stuff that, you know, comes from overseas. Have we reduced it? 100%. Like we are basically trying to be, I guess, mindful of everything we buy. Do we need it? Do we not? Does it, one, save money in our pockets? Absolutely. Two, not a clutter guy. I think I said that right off the hop. That'll, I'm pretty excited for decluttering one day. But I think that's where maybe the world gets, we all want to point the finger, but nobody wants to cut back.

And so if you could cut back on just some of that shit, everything would go down your emission. So now you have an argument with the other side of the anti-energy people, right, the anti-pipelines, to say, yeah, I still need a computer and I still need some essentials where, you know, petroleum products come from, but we don't need as much. So now all of a sudden you're kind of a green person and you don't even know it, right? But it's it's more from the overconsumption, I think. So, yeah.

Yeah, you're, you're hitting something that I've been thinking about for, well, I've probably talked about on the last couple podcasts, to be honest, is, is the language that surrounds it, right? Like the world wants to pit you against the other side of the world, right? So when it comes to oil, it's either good or bad. It's black and white. When it comes to climate change, it's either good or bad. It's black and white. There's no listening to the other side. And I had Quick Dick.

The last time I had Quick Dick McDick on, I could tell something that changed him. I couldn't figure it out. And partway through the episode, I talked to him about it. And he just, he's a guy that I admire. I really admire his thoughts on where we're heading. and what he's seeing, and he's become a successful person of interest.

I don't even know what, like, I don't think he likes being called a YouTuber, but, I mean, he makes YouTube videos, right? But he talks about, you know, we got to stop this fight. We got to find a way to change the language and make people understand that not all of it is bad, right?

From either side, right? Like, exactly what you just said. Like, oil isn't all bad, but could we, be better sure good greens be better sure and uh when you talk about consumption i just all i got to do is think about kids you know uh or not let's even talk phones the iphone everybody at like the iphone is is probably the most essential item now in canada for any person if you lose your phone i call it iphone it could be whatever, you have a mild panic attack.

It is attached to everyone. So I'll tell you this right now, walking up into your studio, like I'm not a phone person. You know that. I'll text you back days later and like, oh, shit, sorry, man. Anybody listening to this if I haven't texted back for a while, that's just it's not because I don't like it. He doesn't like you. That's what it is.

We walked up here. My phone's sitting down in our vehicle. And so like you say, people would have a minor, or a minor. heart attack. I walked in here like, oh, fuck it, I'll get it later, right? I know we're on the podcast. I don't need it, but some people just need it with them, right? So I don't know where you're going with that. Anyways. Well, what I was going to, what I was going to say was, is when you talk about consumption, to me, when you talk about consumption, all you got to look at is the phones. It used to be you get a phone and it had last year like five years or whatever,

whatever. Now a phone, an iPhone, think about an iPhone. They're up to like, I, iPhone, oh, is it 11? I have no idea. Like every eight months, 10 months, a new iPhone comes out. And people, it's a new form of keeping up with Joneses. It used to be, vehicles is another one, right? Like you've got to have the newest addition. Every year they come up with a new one.

And, well, if you slowed that down, just on a personal level, instead of buying a new iPhone, let's just say every new year, every three years, You just slowed it down. And I don't know if you can do that. But like, that's a form of reducing your consumption. Yep. Because that is what our world right now is based on. So when you talk about consumption, I get that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I think for you don't need to go gangbusters with the like zero waste. I know there's those movements out there, like the zero waste, low waste living. Sure. I mean, if it works for some people, great.

I'm not one way or the other. What I would say is probably across the board, everyone could cut back, I don't know, look around, right? Probably 30%. If you took 30% of the shit we made in the world and reduced it, well, they're always talking about greenhouse gas emissions. And if everyone had 30% less, you'd probably be happier for one, right? Would equal more money for yourself and less stuff. right? I think that's pretty stuff doesn't fill, you know, you're, I guess the happiness tank in a sense. So if you did 30% less, which I don't think is out of the question,

yeah, I think that would have a big change, right? So we've tried that. I haven't tracked it. I feel like we're consuming quite a bit less. And just part of it was pandemic there last April where it's like essentials only. And then we got essentials. And funny story, like when my disconnect on not being on social media and stuff, I went out for, we do a large grocery run every month or two, I went out in the spring and picked one up. And it was kind of like, yeah, there's, you know, there's the stuff, the COVID in the world.

And it was just getting here, right? I had zero idea that fucking ass wipe was a problem. So I'm at the grocery store. and like there is there's no toilet paper so like I called Morgan or texted her like what do you want me to do she's like yeah there's yeah you can't find it anywhere like why what's going on like why is this a thing right so anyways apparently overconsumption of ass wipe is a it was a real thing I mean that one but yeah just in general I think I think if you had that 10% less okay sure And then I think you would find a little bit more, a little bit more.

And before you know it, you're, and so yeah, I think part of the pandemic probably corrected people a little bit. Maybe it was a cash flow thing or security or whatever. But I would hope that that would be a good start anyways. It was for us. So, and we were doing it before that. Just be just my nature, right, is trying to clear. so I think

you raise another valid point there is whether we're talking I don't know why my brain goes right to diets when I when I hear you say it doesn't you don't have to like it doesn't have to be like from 100 to zero you're talking about a pragmatic like a realistic approach to like

man just reduce a little bit that's all that's all it is you don't have to completely flip your entire lifestyle and everything you do to do better. Right. You just got to look at yourself and go, you know what?

We can do a little better. And if everybody did that, then immediately the impacts would be felt. Yeah. That's right. So I think, yeah, that's a big, well, I shouldn't say a big. That's a small change that someone could make.

And all of a sudden, you get to be part of the green conversation, because you can say, yeah, I'm reducing my consumption, right? What are you doing? You're waving a flag around for windmills. That doesn't do anything. Not if you go out to IKEA and load up on a bunch of garbage, you know, just because, you know, it's, that, I guess you would, you would actually be able to sit at the table now. But you could tell people, yeah, and I work on pipelines.

I work in the oil field. I work in the energy industry. but here's what I'm doing. What are you doing? Instead of always just going to the, I hope you biked here. Yeah, that's funny. I get it. But I mean, it just, that's on the extreme side of things again, right?

So now we're just button heads. But if you went to somebody and said, here's what I did, here's what I'm doing, I'm reducing. They might look at you like, oh, fuck. Okay. Well, actually, he is doing something, making a bit of a change. and still wants to consume oil, wow, you know, that's a crazy theory or whatever, right, that that could actually work because it absolutely would and it will. Well, I think what a lot of people have a problem with right now is the fact that instead of,

like, that's what's going on right now. Is exactly what you're saying, I find is happening more, is people are understanding the way we're currently doing this, this discussion, this argument, whatever isn't working. And it's leading towards either the greens lose or the oil patch energy section loses, right?

There's losers. That's what happens. It's a zero-sum game. Like somebody's losing it. Done. What you're discussing is changing the language around on it so that everybody comes out winners. And don't we all want to be on the winning side?

I think that's why the current discussion, the way it's going, is there's so much emotion and just hatred and budding heads and people that are idiots. Like, I don't know how many times I've heard, man, there are just a bunch of idiots. It's like, no, like honestly, what confuses me is, and I mention this all the time, I've been across our country, I've been across a good part of the United States. There's wonderful people and very smart people across the entire planet to sit there and go somebody over there is an idiot. I think right away,

you've already removed yourself from the table. You've lost me in that conversation. Yeah, that's that left, right, whatever you want to call it. I just, I'm probably find myself in the middle pretty much on everything,

not because I just want to be Switzerland all the time, but probably because the truth lies somewhere in the middle, right? For pretty much everything. So, yeah, yeah, I think that's, That's my angle on climate change, I guess. And quick dick, right? Quick dick. Yeah, I guess when I heard that, I listened to that one podcast there.

You guys did the last time. And he mentioned that. And my ears actually kind of perked up to say, all right, so here, now you're talking, right? Like, yeah, I might focus on a bit of energy because it's maybe not all bad, right? And it's like, yeah, that's the engaging part is, okay, how. could we benefit? And one of the things is, you know, we can do it. And maybe we don't have to like completely rewrite our world, right? We don't have to go, I don't know, total nuclear on everything. Maybe it's just some of the way we live. And, and I think that that will make a difference. And yeah,

so that's it. That's all I got. Well, let's do the crude master final five, all right? So huge shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald. I'm actually going to try and change this as I move along. I want, it didn't happen for Curtis because obviously it was a little short to, how quick this came together, I should say. But moving forward, I'm going to try and engage the Curtis Clarks of the world because I want people to have questions for you. So I want five questions that aren't just sporadic from my brain and how my brain works. I really want people to engage in.

If they want to know more about Green Island farming, or maybe they want to know more about Curtis. So that's where the, the Crude Master Final Five is moving. But for today, you get my mind. So the first one is always, if you could do this with somebody, who would you want to sit across from? Yeah. Well, I think, yeah, I've had the conversation, actually.

I mean, to, I've got to do this, not in podcast form, but the coolest conversation I ever had. was with my grandpa in about 20 we were living down in in Weyburn and we took them up for Christmas to my parents place in Edmonton right? Grandma and grandpa came with Morgan and I and on the way back here I was thinking whatever 8, 10 hour road trip grandpa probably catch a few you know a few z's on the way we talked just about the whole trip. Unfortunately, it was like overload in my mind from his childhood rate. It was like an eight-hour podcast of just nothing but pure gold on our family and

stuff. So I remember you saying a few years ago, you know, wanted to try and get maybe interviewing some families, get some history. And I'm like, I really wish I had that. They've both passed away since then or in the last couple of years. But I had. that conversation. I can't remember all of it. Like I said, but we touched on everything from him saying grew up on a farm in Manitoba. He remembers putting a pig into their car trunk to get it into town to sell it. They had to make the train because his dad called and said, you got to get a pig sold. Even from him saying, you know, and I really enjoy your archives. I've told you that before. I've listened to lots of the archives, less of some of the other ones, just from

a, yeah, I guess an interest point. I like the throwbacks. But those conversations, I had that exact conversation with my grandpa. And yeah, from him being a kid when now I always think about it, and I joke, they won't let kids use microwaves in schools. He fucking actually said that they used to have their bus, I guess, on skis, they took their horses in. And he had to stoke the fire. And they're like six, seven, eight years old. Your old kids. Yep. And, and, uh, you know, so that's where we've, that's where we've come. That's where we've come. Hey, we've just canceled Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head. And that's where we're at right now. Like we're going, man, we're going down this weird, weird path where it don't, don't make Antium.

Well, me and me in Quick Dick. And Quick Dick has changed my, you know, I always try and understand the other side. I've heard, I've joked about this a couple times that people call me, or I've heard, I'm the liberal guy, which I guess is slander now in our world. But I'm just like, I'm just a guy who likes to hear the opposite side. So I was actually, I guess, Ant you, Ma'am. I kind of get, and Quick Dick has enforced it now on me. because it just makes so much sense now that why not teach and instead of preach, teach, right?

So make everything a teaching moment to understand where we've come from and why things are changing instead of just getting rid of it so people don't understand. Yeah. Right? That's a really probably bad way to have bad things happen again because we don't learn from our lessons. So I have a perfect, I won't get too deep into that. I'll kind of stick to the question. But so our son, Morgan was at the grocery store at them the other day.

They were shopping. Aunt Jemima no longer on the containers or whatever. He's four years old and he said, where did she go? Why did they take her off? And my, the thing that worried me, and it'll be for us to make sure he understands, that it's not, what worries me is that he would think she couldn't be on there maybe because of her skin color, you know, because he's four years old, right? And for us, we got to make sure that, you know, we can't tell him the history of everything at his age right now. But he liked

seeing her on there for the fact that he thought it was super cool. So why not turn that into an empowering product? If you need to change the name, I don't understand all the history behind it, but maybe find a way to grow that, that, you know, her, her face and her name or whatever, to be, I guess, better, right? To say, yeah, it wasn't great in the past. But here's what we're doing now. And it's promising, you know, it's uplifting. It's, I don't know.

And because, yeah, when Morgan came and she's like, oh, it was weird, because I didn't know what to say. to him that like oh you know anyways I'll leave it at that no it's it's a good thing and that happened five days ago that 100% so to me ooh that's a slippery slope because now we're we're what's going on right like like yeah makes me a little nervous even just to say geez I don't know if I can share this you know I'm yeah I don't know if I can share it properly. I want to make sure that he understands it's not a conversation for when he's for, but he liked seeing her. He thought it was cool. And like that is what's cool to me. Right. So, but anyways, yeah, that's the way, I guess, yeah, kind of back to the original question.

Well, no, I, I, once again, there's a reason why I've been wanting to get you on for so long. I appreciate the way your brain works. I always, I'm laughing at myself because I, I just, I don't know how it happened, Kurt. I'm always curious about how life works and how I surrounded myself with really interesting people who have unique ways their brains work. Shout out to Colby, man, because I always mean him getting into these long things. And I probably said this to him like a thousand times over the last decade. man, you're smarter than I thought you were, right? And I'm sure he looks at me like,

yeah, and you need to get off your high horse and thinking you're so smart, right? Is if you just sit and listen to people and hear their thoughts, man, there's a lot of gold in there. And my brain works, I joke like I'm a pusher. It works at light speed and it's trying to like crack things all the time and sitting across from you and I'm giving a lot of praise to Quick Dick on our last one.

It just makes my brain think about things. and really try and dissect it. And your conversation with Bishop is, yeah, that's interesting. And I might throw back, yeah, why not at four? Why wouldn't he be ready for that? Because if you go back to your grandfather at five or six, they were stoking of fire. And we look at that as archaic. But what we've done to our kids and are continuing to do is give them less responsibility.

And by that, almost making them kids for longer, I feel. Yeah, that's a great point. That's absolutely, actually. I mean, yeah, they're smart little people, man. So maybe that is a perfect conversation to say, here's why. But what do you think, right? Like, he might have his own thoughts. And yeah, no, that's a good point.

I like it. So anyways, back to the original. The conversation I got to have. Yeah, you got to be the only guy. The first guy, not the only guy. The first guy to say, I've already done it. Yeah. That's pretty cool.

That is pretty cool. Super cool. So we talked right from his time as a young kid. His mom died young. I think he was five. His dad was pretty hard ass. He's an athlete. He traveled.

He wasn't around a lot. They had their farm. He cromed chairs in Winnipeg. like the old, you know what I'm talking about, those old, old farm tables and stuff. He chromed that shit. Yeah, it was a really cool conversation. Right to him training for the war. He didn't go to the war, but he was in training south of Saskatoon.

We drove by the place. That's how we got talking about it. Dunn shit, I can't remember the name. Anyways, it starts with a D, south of Saskatoon. They had a training base, I think, there. told me what he was training for for a heavy armorman, I don't know, shooting big, I don't know, something off of trucks and stuff, right? So he kind of explained that, kind of told me how he had friends in the war come back, who, a few that were tank people. And he didn't really hold back.

He said, yeah, there's a few that, you know, it fucking messed with them big time. Some of the stuff that they did, they wouldn't, you know, they would talk to him about it, but nobody else, right? And so it was a cool conversation. I'm so happy I got to have it. At the moment, I didn't realize how important was. How important, right? So could have I recorded it or paid a bit more attention?

I should have been taking notes, but I guess I was driving. So I had that conversation. If I had to pick something else, I like history. I read a book last year, just the history of England. I think something, go back in the day, I think to sit down with one of those kings and some of the crazy shit they did back in the day. I don't know. I would just like to be a fly on the wall on some of that stuff. That's what interests me.

That's kind of my leisure reading, I guess, the light reading. I'm not a big fiction guy, but I like that kind of stuff. So I think after I read that book, I didn't know much on the history. So I would say somebody from, you know, the Middle Ages, I guess. No. Once again, I, to anyone listening or to everyone listening, if you've got that person in your life that you want to sit and have, you know, I always talk about Graham and Newman.

And I just, you know, it won't haunt me for the rest of time, but I will think about it for the rest of time that I really wish I could have got her recorded. Mm-hmm. just to have a record it. And what's cool about the archive experience is I get to do that for other people and explore someone's life over and over and over again and get to pull out all these little, and that's a ton of fun. It's so much fun to go back and just hear about a person's life.

For me, it's kind of like looking into the future by going into the past, if that makes sense. You can see the evolution of a person's life, where they go through the stages and they reflect on it. Because we're both 35, right, or about to be. And now you get to see what, well, I've got to talk to a 98-year-old. I'm searching for the 100. And I know they're sitting there in Lloyd even. Just need to find a person willing to sit down and chat about 100 years.

I mean, that's a long flipping time. And they've seen things. And I always say about the 98-year-old, he remembers the time and no money. Like, you know, and what do we just talk about? We're a society that bases success on how much money you make. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah. Yeah. Those conversations that you've got to have, I think, are, yeah, they're so neat that. One of the things I've pulled from those is that they all kind of go back to their time. Like you've asked them, you know, what do you feel like is the best? time of your life, right? Like, and they're probably, I don't know, I might be wrong, but it feels

like we're in that wheelhouse right now. Yeah. Um, young kids. And so I try to make sure, I mean, I try to stay in the moment, I guess, uh, far from perfect with, you know, running on very little sleep with young kids, um, long days, whatever. But at the end of the day, I'm like, okay, I want to be able to look back and know that I didn't. Yeah, we were watching the office. So our kids, if they're napping, I'll throw the office on and more or less they're out, right? And it was one of the last episodes and one of them on there kind of said, you know, wouldn't it be good to know when you're in the good old days while you're in the good old days? And I'm like, fuck, that is almost bang on what I feel like your archives are people are talking about.

Right? So I flipped it and here, you know, yeah, maybe this is the good old days, right? And so just to be... Live in the day. Or as Ray Ferraro says, be where your feet are. Yeah. So anyways, yeah, that's, yeah, that's it. So... That's, uh, I had a thought in my head and it just, I'm listening to intently, I guess. Some deep. This is the deep cut. well I just the picture over your your left shoulder of when we won the sask delta that is the one and only time where I had like uh uh like not an out-of-body experience I don't want to sound sci-fi but I sat in the corner and just I understood like I had this this understanding like this may never happen again it never happened again we came close but that never happened again but I I uh I uh I I certainly enjoyed myself, but I understood, like at that point in time in my life,

I just sat there and took it all in. Like I can remember sitting there and just like soaking it in. And that was one of the times I was, you know, like, you try, it's hard to replicate that. Like to just be like, wow, I can't believe I'm sitting here. And I don't think you want to do that all the time. No. Right? Because you'll be, you'll be a hippie-dippy, I don't know, whatever, right?

You'll be out. People look at you like you're nuts. But I think it's good to understand that in situations, right? Yeah, there's certain situations where you just got to pit like, wow, this may never happen again. Or this doesn't happen that often. Yeah. And those are very cool experiences. Your second question, and we'll see how long.

You mentioned reading different books. You got a couple that may be your favorites. I was curious, what has been maybe the, not your favorite, your most influential book that you've read. Ah. Yeah. I don't know. Everything takes me eons to read.

So drives Morgan nuts. I'll read a couple pages a night, and she's reading like half a book. And then, but yeah. So it takes me a long time. And I'll read a few at a time. Yeah, I know. That's my problem. I've got too many on the go.

And so that also drives her wild. I think the book that I enjoyed the most was a wartime book. It was brought out a couple years ago. It was called The Dam Busters. The pilots that blew up some of the German dams that powered their energy. So I can't remember. There's a handful of Canadians. I think there was about 70 of them, 10 per plane or something like that.

were specialized pilots or whatever, flew nighttime, low altitude, crazy, crazy stories. But some of them, as I was reading through it, they had the stories on these Canadian guys, because it's a Canadian book. There was some, I was actually working right near one of the little towns down by Bow Island that one of the guys who fought in this was from. And so it just, really hit close to home that these guys one day, and you said, yeah, I'm working in, in swift current or moose jar or something like that. And then, you know, a month later,

whatever it was, I'm signed up to start flying, learning how to fly a plane. And the guy, you know, the guy said, I'd have even been in a plane. Now all of a sudden, people are relying on me to help win the war. Right? And, but kind of the attitude there that, um, was it, is it, Cy, Cy Campbell?

Yeah, Cy Campbell, right? And the book had that same tone. It was just your job, right? And that to me, like that book was, I don't know, three, four hundred pages. I'm not a fast reader, nor do I read, you know, a lot at a time. That I think I was put through a week and a half because I got in, I was building this, this movie in my mind. Like I actually, I was like a director.

It was crazy because Morgan was even like I'm sitting on our, couch under more or less candlelight, right? And I'm just like, I can't stop reading this thing. And very few books I've been, uh, had that where it's like so, yeah, you, you just get so, so engaged. So if anyone's listening that likes war books, I would recommend that. I can't, can't remember the author, but it's the damn busters. It's a couple years old. Um, that, that was a really cool one. But I, I enjoy that kind of history. So yeah. You're in, uh, the old blue truck. you're driving down the road, you get to pop in one CD, what CD are you picking?

Oh, uh, hmm. Kind of just depends on the time, but I don't know. It's probably, uh, I should preface this question with, once upon a time Curtis had me convinced we should have for one of our grad songs, another brick in the wall by Pink Floyd. And at the time, I was like, Oh, yeah, yeah, let's raw, raw. And now I listen to that song and I'm like, what the hell are we talking?

Yeah, I probably had zero idea. Can you imagine walking down with your grad partner to another brick in the wall? All the parents would have been, look at the hell. Yeah, glad that one got nicks, maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, CD. I don't know.

I've been, yeah, I don't know. No, no music. You're not going. I'd clip on, I don't know, the tragically hip and away I go, or I'd pick, or CCR or, like, I thought for sure, you'd be like, ah, if I'm going to go for a little tour of the country, I'd flick on a little of this and a way to go. Yeah, it's probably, it's probably Joe Diffy. A little Joe Diffy.

A little Joe Diffy, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the throwback of the 90s country. That's the, yeah, yeah, I enjoy Joe Diffy. Joe. If you were in a tag team match back to the W-W-E-F days, who would you want as your partner? Who are you tagging in? Like, oh, I don't know. I got to rock my brain on the old wrestling, probably the ultimate warrior. You'd take the ultimate warrior?

Yeah, yeah. I think I used to have a poster of him when I was about four or five. He seemed a little crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go with the Ultimate Warrior. I don't know. That's the... The new wrestling is not... I don't know.

It's got to go old school, I think, right? I don't know. I don't watch the new... The last time I watched wrestling... I couldn't even tell you a wrestler. Other than what's the... He's the actor guy. Not the rock.

That's... That's... John Cena. Yeah, that's... That'd be him. Yeah. Yeah. Your final one is, you got Netflix then?

Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. What has been a TV show that has caught your interest? I know you're not a guy that is hooked right into social media and everything else, but during this year-long hiatus we've all been dealing with, what is something that you've entertained yourself with on the big machine? Well, yeah, so not to completely snuff out your question, but yeah, I haven't watched really.

You don't want, okay. Not many series, I should say. No, then I'll change it. Yeah. Over the past year, what is a hobby that you've picked back up then? Well, I'll answer your question with the Netflix show. Just watched it not that long ago. More or less, it was released a little while ago.

Because you're, yeah, sorry, I'm going to flip back. your question on your hobby. It's not exciting. Puzzling. I enjoy puzzling. I can crack a beer, sit there, listen to the Sean Newman podcast, and go to town on a puzzle

and just check your mind out, right? But the, I don't know if you got a thought, but that's it. But I'll go back to the show question because that one's not exciting. I'm glad my listeners are getting so much. There's Curtis. I just check my mind out when I'm listening to Sean Carey off.

Yeah. I enjoy the documentaries and stuff, right? Like shows and series and stuff, horrible for watching short period of it and then stopping and not really caring. Like I don't feel like I miss out or anything. But I enjoy the documentaries on stuff and watched one if anyone has seen it. Not that long ago. It was released a while ago, but I just, yeah, it's not on my to-do list, really. So was packaging up materials here and put on, shit, what's it called?

It's one with Woody Harrelson. It's down to Earth or down to roots or something like that. It's basically they spin it like, how do we fix climate change? and part of it is nothing maybe to do with like green windmill, solar panel type stuff. It has to do with farming and practices, better practices, working with nature, regenerative egg. And I think that, to me, I enjoyed it, but I would absolutely say if you watch it, there's a little bit of like the celebrity in there that they're sure they probably do believe in that approach they're a brand you know they're working on their brand too so take it with a grain of salt what I would encourage people to look at is or take from that I think it's

about an hour long it touches on the fundamentals of growing food right basic back to our compost, right? They talk some composting in there. There's pros to that. Some of the large, it's more of like an industrial scale composting, but back to like soil health, right? So if you have healthy soils, it will pay you back even in your own backyard, right? If you live in the city, if you live in the country, if you don't have good soils, you're in trouble. So that one connected. But they kind of brought up the point of like food security. And just we've got a lot of people to feed, right?

But we could probably do it better than what we've been doing, right? We've kind of went down this path of, I heard you say it earlier, right? Like we're always looking for more profit per acre or sorry, yield per acre. And what my understanding of it is growers and producers should be looking. at profit per acre. And how you do that can be through a means, just a variety of different things, right? And we've been led down. And this is coming from me. I've never farmed a day in my life, right? But even my father-in-law, who's farmed for 60 years, right? He said, you know, at one point in time, he said our crops and our fields were just like some amazing, amazing stuff. And then,

something flipped and it went for yield per acre, didn't matter what you had to put into it. It was all about yield, but you didn't make any more money. You just got to say you have, you know, a bigger crop. So, and that's his words, not mine. So this show kind of touches on the food security, you know, better practices. I don't, it's not super deep.

You'll look at it. They talk about microbes. your your plant roots you know some of the things that I didn't touch on that our product provides is is those microbes that are into helping your roots of your plants like the risosphere of your plants it's those little hairs the little things that I guess a fertilizer or something can't provide so if you take care of your soils you will correct you can correct a lot of the problems with like the atmosphere stuff right so so that show was was was pretty interesting. Like I said, I always get a chuckle when I see the celebrities on there. And they're doing what's good for their brand, right? So take that one with a grain of salt.

But I really think that I know people have been focused on their food and stuff, right? Or healthy eating, the diets, the fads and that sort of thing. The way that we, we've tried to adopt is more whole foods like we're trying to grow you know we're growing our own out on our farm because it's fun but that's that's one thing that I would if you if you watch it you'll get out of it is you know you can bring it down I think people need to appreciate their food more and not treat it as such like a commodity and really you need to learn like you've talked to people on the on the archives who talk about these gardens they used to grow um you know they they were never the one thing i remember you saying not just on a couple podcasts ago um they were never

worried the one thing they were never worried about was food so how have we gone because we've taken we've taken everybody's ability like as more i i i can't focus on it enough yeah look at myself I am a prime example. I grew up on a farm, Curtis. Grew up around cattle and my grandmother having a giant garden, my mother having a giant garden, and yet I know zilch about gardening. I now live in a city,

which majority of the population does, which means we distance ourselves further and further daily. And I mean, there's going to be great people in town that have gardens. My brother, Harley, is one of them. Him and his wife, had a garden plot in town. And then now they've moved back out to the farmer

are going to have a giant garden, right? That is their makeup. But majority of us have distanced ourselves from the farm and growing a garden. And that has happened over the last 100 years. Just over the last 100 years, the population is steadily moved to in-city, which means now you have to produce more. One person does.

They have to figure that out to feed that population because they're living in a city instead of producing their own. It's just been a change over time. What happens is now this guy doesn't know how to do a garden. And I'm a guy who grew up on a farm. At least I understand, like I understand how food is, well, I think I understand, how food is grown or, or even cattle and chickens. And like, I understand that side of things. I understand that, you know, that's how it's, but there's people in bigger cities that have never even, don't even understand the connection.

And that's where we are. And that's, that's a, that's a problem. That's what I think is crazy is that. It's about quantity, maybe not quality. And one is food security for yourself or whatever. But I mean, yeah, we're not by any means self-sufficient, self-reliable or whatever. But I think it's important for people to know just like higher quality, your local producers. Like it can really make a difference on kind of your community too, right?

that if people, yeah, it's that kind of slow living approach too, right? Like less processed, it all has an impact, right? And the more whole foods you get, the better everything is. Like for your, I know the big thing now is, you know, vegan stuff. And I just think people, the more you get closer to the source of the food, the better you are. Right? And it's not to say that, yeah, we're, yeah, we're, yeah, we're. still have, you name it. We've got young kids. You know how that goes, right? So, but, but we're also

teaching them, even the little, the little things, right? Like, uh, they enjoy getting out into the smallest garden plot. Hell last year, uh, we were out on the, on our front porch and, uh, Hildee picked our tomato plant more or less clean of red tomatoes, the ones that I was hoping to have a little snack on. And she's just cleaning them up and thought, well, I guess it's better than you munching on. I don't know, like a pack of. a Rios or something, right? Whatever. Yeah, and she just went to town

and I didn't have to tell her that. She just enjoyed him. You know what, Tautoumoo, and I hope I say that name, he was, he's the, this hasn't come out yet. This won't come out. This is an archives that's going to come out this year. But he's from the Cook Islands. And he said as a kid back in the 50s,

on the Cook Island specifically, they didn't know what cancer was. They never heard of it. It wasn't a thing. And so he got talking about food and you're going to enjoy, I promise you when that one comes out, you're going to enjoy it. Yeah.

Because what you're talking about with getting close to the, the food source, and there's something there, right? There's something there. Yeah. And I think that that'll be, yeah, I really think, yeah, that'll be a big difference in people's lives as we kind of get back to normal. Let's see if people, because gardening's taken off, right? Everyone wants their own little green space.

We'll see if that actually sticks or not. Unfortunately, I don't know if it will. But I think it's important for people to. I know you guys have had the podcasts on some of the pandemic type stuff too. And I don't know, it was think back even into April, right? Like you're worried. It just went crazy, right? You're thinking now imagine that on an even more global scale.

If you don't have any approach, you know, if you're relying on the, I guess, the big, the grocery store. The big box store kind of approach, right? And for us, you know, we try to support local growers. We, we buy some meat rate from a farm because it's one less step, right? They appreciate it. Seems to be better. If the pandemic has taught me anything, if COVID has taught me anything, is you're only as strong

as your community. Now, your community can be, you know, it can be Lloyd Minster or it can be smaller. You know, it can be your group of friends. Like, community is a very loose term I use on the group of people that you surround yourself. You're only strong as, because when things, if things were ever to collapse, right,

which I don't think they are. But, you know, you talk about those couple of months there. There was about a month and a half where it got pretty strange. And if it did go south, you were only as strong as the people you surround yourself with. Now that can be as big or as small as you want. And I find there's been an added focus, and I think most people felt that there's been a very big focus now on,

man, we really need to pay attention because as time goes on, we lose that and you start, you know, it's hard not to support, you know, Amazon just shipping it right to your door and everything else. But if things were to go to south, you want the people around you to be strong too. And you need to support that and blow life into that and everything else. So I agree with you. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. I appreciate you coming in and doing this and entertaining me at six in the morning. Yeah, hopefully. Oh, no, this has been, I've really enjoyed sitting with you with you, Kirti. And I wish you nothing but success. One last time, if people want to support Green Island farming, how do they do it? Yeah.

So they can follow us, Facebook, Instagram, Green Island Farming Co. or website green island farming.ca or in town here too at abbey road flowers we'll have product there that they can go and pick up and and yeah you can use it if it grows you can use it so cool and if you hop on my uh the sean newman podcast instagram facebook twitter i'll make sure that i put up some some images of what kurt's product has done when this gets released and and that way you have some visuals so they can kind of understand what you're talking about. So regardless, thanks for hopping on and doing this. Wish you nothing but success here in the coming days, weeks, years.

Yeah, thanks, Huma. Hey, folks, thanks for joining us today. If you just stumbled on the show, please click subscribe. Then scroll to the bottom and rate and leave a review. I promise it helps. Remember, every Monday and Wednesday, we will have a new guest sitting down to share their story. The Sean Newman podcast available for free on Apple,

Spotify, YouTube, and wherever else you get your podcast fix. Until next time. Hey, Keeners. I hope you enjoyed today's episode. If you're looking to support the podcast, why don't you head down to Factory Sports, pick up an SMP hoodie or hat? If not, no big deal.

Other than that, champ, feet off the desk, please. Time to go to work. We'll see you guys Wednesday.