Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #190 - Maverick Candidate Ken Rutherford

Episode Date: July 28, 2021

You read that correctly since the last time on the podcast Ken has put his name in the ring for the next federal election. We discuss all things Maverick, the progression of the podcast & our conversations & does distance really make the heart grow fonder? Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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let them know you heard about them from the podcast, right? Now let's get on that T-Barr 1, Tale of the Tape. Originally from Paradise Hill, Saskatchewan, he's married with six kids, professor at Lakeland College, business owner, co-host of the War on Weakness podcast, and now a Maverick Party candidate. I'm talking about Ken Rutherford. So buckle up, here we go. I'm Ken Rutherford, running for the Maverick Party,

and you are listening to the number one podcast on planet Earth, and I say that with 100% sincerity, the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Ken Rutherford. So first off, Kenny, thanks for hopping back in. Thanks for having me, Sean. Well, I was, I did yesterday. I did, I probably do it every time, but every time it gets a little bit longer to do, you know, because you've been on now. It took over 100 episodes to get you back on for your second time. And then now it feels like almost every two, three months you hop back on and we're at something new. I went back through essentially two years, right? Like, I mean, you go back to the beginning of all this, and it's in your, I don't know, closet pretty much of your office, right? And from there, it's grown and expanded, but not just one dimension.

Like, I mean, our last conversation, we're arguing about politics and whether or not you're getting involved, and you're telling me you're not getting involved. and now here you sit with a Maverick sign behind you, running for Maverick. I think it's just, I think it's a really interesting progression of not only you can look at the case study of myself, but of one of my guests who's talked about issues and is now getting involved in said issues. Yeah, the, my brain's thinking a lot of things as I'm watching you. But it's, I keep saying it, and I mean it, it's good to have good friends. Like, that's something that's like, be thankful you have an amazing wife.

You know, be thankful your kids are healthy. Be thankful for good friends. And, and Sean, I'm watching you. I'm thinking the exact same thing. Like, it was, well, both of us. You know, you're one of my best friends. And we had a lot of fun when you were captain of the Hillmont Hitman and I was coaching. and those are fun times.

I wouldn't want to change those for anything. Once you get in sport and you get to have a cup raised and stay up until way too late in the morning, partying with the community and smoking cigars. You know, like I wouldn't change that for anything. At the same time, I think there was bigger things to take on. And Trump probably just comes at time in everybody's life. You know, when you're 16, you're playing AAA hockey

or chasing pretty ladies or doing what you're doing. It's time to maybe enjoy that part of life. And as we're kind of moving on in years, you know, there's, there's, well, little did we know there was some really big things coming down the pipeline. I never imagined we were going to be seeing what we were seeing now. And it's not that, you know, there's not others that aren't doing anything. There's lots, many that are.

But, you know, it's just, it's funny how the planets align sometime. Hey, Sean is, I got to see what you were like to go. to war with and you got to see what I was like to go to war with and I liked I liked what I saw I like I like I like I like who Sean is and if I got to go somewhere hard I want I want you by my side and and then we come out of that senior hockey those senior hockey years we kind of fumble into some jiu jitsu and in a book club and man that was that couldn't have been time better either you know it forced us to I've always read but not like that you know and our book club got into that and that sure molded us, didn't it?

Yeah, well, I think I've always read as well. Definitely not as precise, I would say, is what the book club focused us in on. You know, I say all the time it started as better husbands, better fathers, right? That was the general idea behind it, right? And you see what it's like morphed into is something else. You're running in the Maverick party.

Dustin's, I don't know, on the board of the Wild Rose. He's present of the Wild Rose, and I think he's in the inner workings of the whole thing, I think, because they've got a little bit of stuff going on. I mean, he's kind of in deep on that. We've got Brian Hayden, right, running a very successful business operation. And I'd call him a sleeper, wouldn't you? Hey? Well, him and Harley sleepers.

Yeah, Harley, Harley, I mean, he's, he's, I'm tight with, except for your sister. Your sister I don't know as well. But all the Newman boys, I like them all. But, you know, Brian, he's kind of quiet, kind of keeps to himself a little bit. But boy, when he, there's a lot of value inside that. In between the years.

In between the years, isn't there? Yeah. And Harley as well, you know, like running T-bar with your brother. And I know, I look at these people, all good people, good, good men. And they've helped me a lot to, you know, just when things are going up, going down, going sideways. It's good to have good people around you. I think the saying is iron sharpens iron. And, you know, they're kind of a where you're maybe thinking something, they reaffirm it

and where you're kind of like a little bit off to go, I don't know, again, you know, or Sean, like, I don't know. I don't think that's the way to go. You know, it's just it's good to have good counsel, I guess, hey? Yeah, well, I go back to when we first started once again, It was better fathers, better husbands, right? Better husbands, better fathers, whichever it was. Anyways. And then as things started to progress, you know, and for sure once COVID hit, you know,

what's fun about being in a safe environment where you get to have your thoughts exposed and then once they're exposed, attacked. But in a very constructive way, I've said, I'm a type of guy that, you know, if I say, something that I feel was maybe over the line. You've definitely felt me. I'll give you a call the next morning and you'll laugh at me and I'm like, I've got to get it off my brain. I've done it to pretty much everyone that I consider on the close inner circle. But by hearing somebody else's argument that exposes maybe a weakness of years, I actually go back to the Gulegg archipelago as one, you'd started reading it and had these ideas and none of us in the group had it, or at least I

certainly had it. I can't speak for everybody else. And it forced me to go there. It forced me to go to places I didn't want to go and experience arguments that I didn't think were possible of happening. And now we've experienced the last year and change. And it has been, well, I say this all the time. It's been the strangest year. It almost feels like 10 years.

And yet, you know, we just had your son's first birthday, Ben's first birthday, which is another cool storyline of you coming on through all of this is, you know, in the beginning, I talk about you having five kids and being a while. wild man. Well, and in the time since we've done that and through everything else, you've had a son, your sixth child, and now he's had his first birthday. And we were saying in the other night, like, it's almost the shortest year too, because although it felt long, I mean, now you have a one-year-old again, and where did the time go? Yeah, it was funny. We were talking, yeah, we had our little Benjamin's first birthday, and thanks for coming out, Sean. That had,

you know, you and Brian and Harley and my family out. And yeah, it kind of hit me because, you know, on birthdays, you can kind of pause for a moment, and just say, you know what, gee, a year just went by, you know, like you do on New Year's or Christmas or, you know, who did the family gain this year and who did you lose and what were the ups and that downs? And so that was my day with Ben. And I'm thinking, like, I can't believe it was a year ago. I watched that little guy, you know, my wife gave birth that little fella and he just kind of surprised

just popped into this world and so I had to call us parents. I'm like man that went fast. I'm like but at the same time holy shoot did that go slow like I don't know why it was like my brain is saying it's it's a there was a lot of torture this year it was a hard year man right and I and I had it easy comparatively you know to so many of the families out there and yet it was so fast so yeah it's a weird dimension I've never had that where it's fast in the slow. You know, the other thing, so I mean, obviously the book club is playing its part. For kids, for the kids' sake is another little branch that started out of your brain and then brought in, you know, we, last episode we talked about Tara Anderson. Yeah. And Ken Carson's a part of that.

Obviously, Dustin is now, I consider taking kind of the helm of the ship, so to speak. Well, those three, I should say, kind of a tripod, so to speak. But they've started bringing in, you know, everybody talks about Andrew Liebenberg, who is on the podcast, the doctor. Well, it comes from that group of individuals that are speaking out for the kids that, you know, what happened the last time. You know, I go back on this thing over like the last six months, and me and you and Tanner sat down.

And we had this conversation and I said to you after, and I said this in the last episode. said to you know, restate it. I said, I'm not doing that conversation again. I'm not going to sit here and have that conversation for the next year where we sit around, we bitch about what's going on or we're worried about what's going on, but we're not doing anything about it. And I look, you know, I just got to look at the sign behind you, Kenny.

You know, like, even myself, we've had Jay Hill on, right? Like, you know, and by having 222 minutes on, now he's interviewed at one of the Maverick, and you can see what's starting to build. and, you know, lead us through, I guess, leave us through the decision to go there because when we ended last podcast, I'm ragging on you, you got to get into politics.

And you're going, yeah, I'm going to get involved. I'm going to get involved, but I don't know if I'm, you know, I don't think I'm running. And I said, I think you got to run. And where do we leave off from there? Because from there, it's been about three months, and now you're going to be, representing the Maverick Party in the upcoming election.

How does the decision process happen to where you're running for the Mavericks? Your podcast is a cool thing. You know, because I've heard a lot of people say that you should journal, and I don't. Do you journal, Sean? Yes and no. I used to journal every single day,

but it was more of like tasks you wanted to get done in a day and a couple thoughts. and now I've eliminated that and I would say I journal once every one to two weeks about a page just kind of where I'm at, thoughts. And it's very, very interesting to walk back through no difference in the podcast.

Well, I gotta say that I, it's one of those, it's on my list. It's just lower on my list than the other hundred things. And your podcast is a little bit like my journal. Like it's a, thank you for doing your podcast. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for pushing me to come on, Sean.

You know, because, boy, a lot has changed. You know, I'm like, boy, that was the last time. Actually, I was, I made the decision to get involved. You and I both looked at each. Well, we're both doers, right? And we looked at each other and like, okay, well, we got a couple choices here. We can sit here and complain and say, oh, my God, the sky's falling and then go watch another Netflix movie.

Or we can do something. And we both, we're both doers. So, I mean, but can I back up for a second, Sean? Before we jump into that, this is a really good question. But I feel like sometimes when I say things, people look at me like I'm a little bit crazy. And when we had our book club meeting and I was like, folks, we've got to read Gulegg Archipelago. You know, this is this. We just have to read Guleg Archipelago.

And I thought the book club was kind of looking at me like, you look a little off, Ken. You look a little crazy. But now that we've read it and we've watched what happened since that meeting, was it crazy? Or what are your thoughts? Like, you've listened to the podcast, and what are your thoughts on Guleg and its relation to what we've seen? Well, I always think, uh, A, I haven't finished it, right? Like, it's three books. I've only read the first volume.

Right. Which is enough for me. I mean, I got to get into the last two, but, but what, I'm asking you a question that I'm cutting you off. You keep going. There's, there's a line in it. You know, like, part of me is like, this is in a different, your brain plays a little bit of tricks on, you know, it's in a different country. Stalin was maybe one of the worst leaders, dictators of all time, and this is a guy who survived it and went through it.

But in Page Lake, two things really impacted me from it, right? I don't know how many arguments I had in, with you or the book club or whoever, where I said, you know, there's nobody pulling the strings at the top. it's not nobody can have that longevity i guess is what i was getting at right like nobody can have the vision of like slow playing this forever and the first thing he says and probably the first 20 pages is the big game of solitaire is what he calls it and he just talks about how certain moves take years to implement and then the next and i was like ah shit right like as soon as he i was like well there goes my argument of like nobody's sitting there slowly pushing things uh any which you way they want right obviously they are if you had a career in politics you understand

that things take time and you're not worried about it you just keep playing the cards and slowly play out your head the second thing that really jumped off the page to me and just scared the shit out of me to be honest was yeah if I'd know you're gonna ask but I would have wrote it out but it talks about a guy getting interrogated and him trying to lie about him and his buddy just talking about hockey game. I haven't probably re-read that line like not a thousand times, but you get the point. Because it just spoke so much to me, right? I'm a hockey guy. How many times do we sit around and have a hockey conversation? I mean, look at what's going on in the NHL right now with

expansion draft and free agency and the NHL draft and everything. Like, that's a lot of conversations that Canadians have. Don't have to worry about the rest of the world. That's what Canadians have. And so I read that line And then he gets caught on it, right? And eventually he goes in the gulag too. And I was just like Like for that to be written That line to be written

It just, it was like it was meant to be there for me. You know what I mean? And so I mean, this is all before This is all before the isolation hotels Nobody allowed in your house Nobody, not even immediate family in your house, not a lot, you know, like, we were lucky in Saskatchewan. Restaurants were still open, but people think we were nuts if we went there with anybody

that wasn't our close house, right? Like, that's where we're at in Canada. And I talked to a lot of my American friends, and they're like, is this really going on? That's like, yeah. Like, I don't know what to say, right? Like, I can hear what you're saying. But, I mean, as bad as it got, all you had to do is unplug from the phone and walk outside, and it was never that bad.

So the gulag is just, it's just showing me that, uh, Just be very careful, right? Like we talk about the frog in boiling water. In saying all that, I would argue that I think we've had our own type of gulag going on in Canada directed at the Native Americans, right? Like I think the residential schools and the reserve system, the more I start to learn about that, it's been going on. We've had our own system of gulag here. And it's directed at a specific culture, specific race. and to think that it can happen now to, I mean, right now, what's all the publicity about, Ken?

It's all about if you haven't been vaccinated, you're unvaccinated. They're already separating the two, and it'll be interesting to see where that goes. So I don't know, that's a long-winded answer, but I guess it's been really impactful on me on the first book of what I've read. I haven't even read the last two, because, I mean, we're talking this thing as a manuscript, but, like, what he talks about is just how, even though people know it's wrong, they don't stand up for it

because if they do, they get ostracized and out they go. Well, what did we just witness in the last year? Nobody wanted to talk about what was going on because if they did, they got outed,

and yet everybody was thinking, like, this is really odd. Like, this is really odd. Do I need the vaccine? No, I don't need the vaccine. Everybody gets a vaccine. It's like, okay? Why?

Because I want to travel. All right. And, like, or I want to I want to get the thing back open, right? Let's get it back open. They're telling us what we've got to do to get back open. It's like, well, now Trudeau said, well, we've just secured booster shots for the next two years. So, like, I don't know.

Did you hear the release on, so if I, if I'm somebody that's taken the two to two vaccines, so maybe I'll comment on your Gulegg comments there. But, you know, I think a lot of people thought, just get in, get the two shots. And it'll be done. Hit the 70%. Life goes back to normal. That was a sales, well, there's been lots of sales pitches. But now Trudeau, was it yesterday?

Have you listened to his release? Yeah, so... Don't worry, everybody. I've secured 30 million booster doses. And their latest procurement efforts, the federal government has reached a deal with Pfizer to secure 35 million COVID-19 vaccine booster shots for next year and 30 million for the year after.

And a five-year option? Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made the announcement at a press conference on Friday stating that the agreement includes options for an additional 30 million doses in both 22, 23 and 60 million more and 24. So 60 million doses in one year. So that tells me that they're thinking they might have to beat, there's only 37 million people in Canada, right?

And so it looks like they're planning for maybe having to do multiple booster shots in each calendar year. So you didn't sign up for two, right? But anyways, that's, everybody had their moment at Google. And I like how we, come through this you and I Sean is uh so you kind of get caught everything was just we're all we're all going through such a stressful time through it all I broke down on your podcast you know what and I and again I had a I've had a good good life you know I our family had a fridge full of food the whole

whole whole roll through how many people like you're seeing statistics now statistics Canada put out their own report to say that I shouldn't quote it directly because they're having in front of me I don't like to do that but uh where the excess deaths of those under the age 16 was more than what killed that COVID killed. And we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg, man. I've set it right from the start. Like when we look backwards,

we're going to be disappointed in how we handled this. You know, we're emotional beasts, aren't we? The humans. And we kind of all run in a herd in a certain direction. But the argument, let's talk for, maybe we can get onto the Maverick party, Sean. But I keep pushing it to the Maverick way Because you got a Maverick side behind you.

And I know that you're going to be running and people are going to want to know. But in fairness, Ken, that is never how me and you have done these. So let's just let it go where it goes. And we'll get there. So through it all, where my brain came to was no matter where you sit on these issues, we have to have freedom, freedom to speak, freedom of choice, freedom to gather. freedom of choice, you know, it just, it really solidified in me. You know, before this, I was like, yeah, we're in a free country and that's important. And it's like, okay, well, yeah, sure, it's important.

But until you go through something like this, to me, it didn't, it's like a, you know, a diamond is, is formed under pressure, you know, and it wasn't until it was forced to pressurize in me that I didn't really understand how important freedom was. And to me, like, I'm, I'm, there's people standing out right now. Like I follow like doctors and world leaders saying this vaccine passport thing. Forced vaccination. Well, we see what's happening in France, right? Man, I don't know. Sean, have you seen how many people are in the streets? Do you know that? Well, I don't, I don't know the number. It looks unbelievable. Like when you look at it, when I've seen in a hall where there's 500 people, right? And I'm like, so tell me that by 2? That's 1,000. How many halls? Like,

I don't know. Is it a million people? I don't know. Half a million. It's a lot. It's a lot right and we're seeing in Cuba we're seeing in in in in France well the entire world is in on unrest right now she's she's like it's careful folks we're getting we're I don't know if our leaders are doing us justice here right now but the anyways to me like I'm hearing people say basically we got to go to a two-tier system one with with if you if you're unvaccinated sorry you you're I actually was followed one MD on on medical doctor on Twitter and he was saying listen, you choose to not get vaccinated. What if when we have finite resources in our hospitals?

What if there's two people that come in and there's only one machine left to treat? One's vaccinated, one's unvaccinated. Who do I give the ventilator to? Because those are the choices I have to make. Leading the discussion to say, if the person that chose to not be vaccinated chose to take a greater risk, they should go to the back of the line, right? suggest an open forum, a person who's paid by the medical system, an open forum saying, I'm advocating for that unvaccinated person goes to the back of the line.

Who, who, you sure? Are you sure? Because we're talking two tier society. I made a tweet to Thomas Lacassic, right? Man, I'll tell you what. Like that's, this is, this is dividing us. And, you know, where do we run that argument down? What about obesity?

right? We all know that obesity leads to a less healthier outcome. Should we put the people who... Who haven't been leading a healthy lifestyle to the back of the line? Okay, well, where else can we go with this? You know, can we not get this into races? You know, maybe one race has a higher probability of being healthy under some circumstance, you know, some disease or some... Like, where do we run that?

No, we're equal. We're equal. We need to stand on that. We have to. Because if we start dividing and having two... different tears and and you can you can scream at me all you want on Twitter you can scream wherever you want and I'm not changing my position yeah but you know I tell you this all the time about Twitter Twitter is like all those people yell just there's white noise like there are half

their arguments aren't well thought out at all and it's this place where people can say whatever they want and the worst repercussion they're going to have is somebody calling them out on Twitter Like, it means, it literally means nothing to me. Like, in saying that, you understand how powerful it can be because that social media is how movements have been started, right? But to you, what did you just tell me about the signs before we started going? You know, you get yelled out on Twitter. Tell the sign story about what's happening in our area.

Well, the, yeah, I think it's probably good to just leave that alone. I think all I'd like to do is encourage our area. to be respectful of people's choices. Some people chose to get the vaccination. Respect them. Some people chose to not respect them. So now we can move into the Maverick. But I'm just, I think we've, like you say,

there's been a transgression or a progression through our talks. All I was part of what led me into this. All I was getting at was on Twitter, you have a common sense thought and you get some hate thrown at you. Yeah. Right?

And I see, you know. And when you're around people can, is all I was trying to point out. Do you get the same thing? Sure. People will challenge you, but it's not the same hate. Here's my take on that. Is that,

you know, I've seen a thing from Mike Tyson. He said that social media is harming people because everybody can spew hate or spew negativity with no risk of getting punched in the face for it. Right? And I try to run my life, you know, on what I say in behind closed doors outside of my door on social media off social media as though if I say it I've got to be ready to sit down and look person in the white of the eyes and defend my

position and so I just I just think people that that there seems to be something in humans and I would argue in weaker humans that can run on social media and and be very attacking and very hurtful and very I don't know what's the word I'm looking for and I'm like you just don't run your life like that Because I'll tell you what, you show up in front of my doorstep and talk to me like that. You got a problem, right? And I would expect you to do the same to me. If I say something hurtful or negative or, you know, racist or... Yeah, but people like things are good at.

I went golfing yesterday. Yep. Hey, shout out to myself here. Golf the best I've ever golfed. I shot a 40 on 9. I was like, holy die out. Holy smokeshot. Yeah, I was...

Really? Yeah. Well, the golfers of the world, they're like, yeah, that's decent. For me, for four years ago where I couldn't shoot below a 50, heck, that's a, I'm slowly progressing. People like things are good at. I used to hate golf, right? And certain people are really good at social media.

And specifically Twitter, right? Short arguments. They have no fear, especially when they start to side with an argument and their followers see what they're, right? We've all felt the, well, maybe not all of us, but you've all felt the shift on Twitter when you get attacked for, I don't know, something that isn't even that bad, right? But people like being good at something,

and there are people that are really, really good at Twitter. And all they're looking for is people who speak the other side, and they're going to attack it. It's why all the, not all of them, but there's a lot of, I always think of Joe Rogan, right? He talks, he doesn't read the comments anymore. Because the comments are like, what does it matter? Like, sure, it's a good idea.

it feels like almost part of the underbelly, like it doesn't mean you can turn yourself off to the other side. Other side has good arguments. It's not like there's zero arguments on the other side. They're good. But when they're not willing to have them in a discussion, right, back and forth, to me, I wouldn't even let that ball you. I just, look, how many people are running for a federal party in the upcoming election?

Probably, I'm going to say under 1% of the people that attack you. And the people that attack you, if they're on the other side, you're going to have to get used to that because they're going to come at you too, right? The conservatives, the liberals, the NDPs, the whoever, they're going to come try and push Maverick down and say that it's a poor idea. Oh yeah, you and I are both, everybody talks a tough game, right? But then who's willing to, you know, close the door behind them, step on the ice as the captain of the Hillman hitman and go face the Benzmillers and face Dewberry in the ring of war, you know, or who's who will show up to a Brazilian? million jiu jitzy class, right, and let somebody who's a pro fighter take, take a, take a couple swings out. Not very many people, right?

And so those people that do that, you know, you haven't earned respect. You haven't earned honor by being negative and cutting down. And that's one thing Twitter, Nikki Jamal and one of our friends says he had to get off Twitter. It's just so negative. It's just people. What are you building by tearing down? Nothing.

You're actually a parasite, right? Build us up. Come up with solutions. Defend the weak. That's honorable. That crap on Twitter, these people that are advocating for that stuff, got no respect for you.

And what I've always liked, I've always like stick up for the little guy. I've always liked defending the weak. Not afraid to take on somebody who's a little taller than me. And so this, we're getting towards the Maverick party here. So, yeah, that I don't come from a political family. You and I would have very similar families.

Actually, our roots both go back to, to Helmand, right? It's funny, I was talking to your mother on Ben's birthday, and she says on her side, the family lineage is political. So she was, I don't mean that they recurred politicians, but people that were willing to get their hands. I'm not dirty, that's not the right word. Yeah, I don't know.

You know, get it in, so to speak. I don't know if that's true. Jump in the fire. Mums maybe talk up their kids a little more than they should. mom's maybe overselling us. But no, we're blue color. Like we're on my grandfather's side, my mom's side. I mean, I do remember a liberal sign being put on the front lawn.

And I just admitted that in public form. Yeah, but you know, it's... No, I know it was different back in the day. It was different back in the day. No, my grandpa, Harris was a, you know, lots of kids, you know, a good guy. So I don't fault him for putting in liberal. I think I did have one ante, if I remember correctly in Saskatoon. that ran maybe was an MP actually on the liberal side I think it's last tune but no like for the

most part we're Sean we're we're we're newmans we know like other other friends come oh 100% agree right we're we're blue collar as blue collar comes it's funny I find it very funny that you you you distance yourself from a political background I uh I don't I always find this funny when me and you chat right I bring up politics and you try and this and you're you're going to be a politician i i think you're going to have a very strong chance of winning i think in this area people are looking for change i just that's what i think and i think you look at politics as this well i mean you got to go with eyes wide open right like there there isn't this beautiful name like you're walking into uh i don't know the nchel so to speak

and maybe there's a dirty name there too, I'm not sure. But I think we all hold the NHL in Canada specifically at the highest of high levels, right? Like that's where everybody wants to get to. I wish that was the way we looked at politics, right? Like everybody should be attaining to get there. They should have to meet certain requirements. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And the next progression is politics.

That's what you go into. And it should be an honor to serve your country and everything else. but it's become so big and such a juggernaut that for whatever reason over the past, and I don't know what it is because obviously I wasn't alive back 70 years ago, but somewhere along the lines, it went from being that, or at least I think it went from being, you know, you read the old accounts, and it felt like a very noble thing to be in politics. And somewhere along the lines, it's morphed.

And now, I don't know, you have Justin Trudeau who, just feels inept at his position and there's no repercussions and, you know, all the politics, like how many meetings we sat in? And I just go, huh, like I always had politics on such a pedestal because in my mind, that's what it is. You go through, you got to do certain things to get here. And I don't know, I look at you and I feel like you've done a bunch of those things and the next logical step is being part of the Maverick party and you know most likely in my mind winning okay so you hear me i think what i'm interpreting you saying is that every time you bring up the word politics i like to distance myself from it and now i'm jumping into the fire yeah i i have to

say that i'm disgusted with our politics you know i i feel like as a way as a Westerner. I'll just speak for my own personal experience, is that I'll speak primarily to the liberals and the conservatives. I've voted conservative all my life. You know, that's all I've, Saskatchewan Party on the Saskatchewan and conservative federally, is that now I look at it, like it's, yeah, I'm just disgusted. I feel like to them, this is a game of chess or a game of checkers, right? You know, if we look at, if you look at the federal parties, like I just said, I voted for conservatives on my life and I'm, and I'm no longer with them because I don't think they're for us. And I think it's just a game. And I look at it like a business now on that side,

not for me, not for the matter of party, not for the people that are involved in our local area here. And I'll get into that. But if, if you're Sean Newman and the conservatives start dancing with you or the liberals. Right now the liberals, you know, Justin Trudeau's looking pretty shiny, right? Whatever,

however he's gaming the system. He's winning. So they're going to keep him in place. Aaron O'Toole, however, he's gaming the system. It's not looking like it's winning. You've got to think his job is on the line.

Why? Why is his job? Maybe he's a good person. Maybe he's upstanding. Maybe, no, because here's the deal. There's 338 seats in Canada.

The one who wins the most seats out of all the parties gets to name the king. So there's out of those 338 seats, we've talked about this on here, $199 or in Ontario in Quebec, right? So let's just say there's 200 out of 338 in Ontario, Quebec. So if you and I pull the strings for the conservative party, we're like, here's the deal, Aaron, go win. Good luck to you. And if you don't, we will replace you.

That's just it. So what does Aaron say, yeah, but I want to fight for the whole whole of Canada and I want to hold this family together. and I want to make sure everybody gets along. Yeah, it's nice, Aaron. It's not the deal. Win. That's just how I look at it. Justin's Trudeau is his armor isn't looking quite as shiny as it used to.

You know, he's got some grain his beard. His hair isn't quite as slick as it used to be. He's losing a little bit of his shine, right? He might win another one. But eventually his glamour will wear. He will lose. And they'll say time to put a new person in place. I feel like us in the West, when we're not, I'm talking.

myself with my local MP. I feel like when I'm voting conservative, just because I've always voted conservative, because it's the closest one that aligned to me and my beliefs, is that I'm upon. And when I vote for my MP, that MP's upon. Right. So my MP on the Saskatchew side is Rosemary Falk.

The, the, I don't know her personally, but I can't say a bad thing about her. And everybody I say that too kind of makes a funny face. I don't know. I can. I'm like, no, I, from what I can see from the outside looking in, She looks like she has a nice family. She has some nice kids.

I've never heard her be somebody that speaks ill or has stolen money. I think she's just a nice person. But what has she done for us? Have you ever met her? I've talked to her once for the Christmas live stream. Yeah. Yeah. So like we've just come through the toughest year of our life.

I checked her Twitter feed. Her last tweet was Christmas well wishes on December 24th of 2020. Right. I think she's just, I think, I think some of these MPs can't show their faces right now because the conservatives are now going after those 1099 seats. They're gaming the system. And I think that right now with Aeronotou's supporting the carbon tax, right, and looking like

he's saying, listen, I'll be, I'll be liberal 2.0 or I'll be a liberal with a blue tie. Or a blue, a liberal with a blue tie. Yeah. And there's a stat. Actually, I brought it in. Of course I brought my stats. Sorry, Sean. No, you don't apologize.

I tell you what, you're doing. in the Ken Rutherford thing. And I thoroughly enjoy when you fan out all the papers and you got everything ready to roll. So what have you got for me this morning? Okay, there's a stat here. Members of Parliament, 99.6% of the time vote with their party. Right? So when we send Rosemary, who's a nice person, I'm going to argue that.

I wish her in her family the best. But when we send her to Ottawa thinking she's going to represent us, she represents the game yeah Aaron will tell her how to vote right or she'll get ousted or she'll be scolded or she'll lose something so this is a game and we've been taking advantage of that's my my position and the next thing to me so when he's talked about politics I'm just disgusted I'm like how could I've been such a fool you know like I think I represent the average Albertan, Saskatchewite, Western Canadian, I just want to work.

I just want to, you know, provide for my family. I just want to have enough money that I can, you know, buy my wife a new dress once in a while and donate some to the charities that I want to support. And, you know, I'll complain that the government took a bit too much tax off my check. But, ah, I live a pretty good life. You know, I just want to be left alone.

Just let me work. Let me do my thing. Let me be part of my community. And I'll just vote conservative because of the closest one. to me. Now when over this last year, like, you're, you're a fool can. You chose to not get involved. You chose to kind of have your brain half turned on. Right. There's a statement by a quote from Plato. It goes something like those who choose not to be involved in politics are destined to be

governed by those who are their inferiors. So when all of us, lots of people when I talk to to, they say, ah, that politics. I'm not really into that politics. it's time to get involved in politics, right? For us in the West, our culture, our way of life, our way of feeding our families, it's under attack. It really is. And so for me, these conservatives, you're playing a game and that's fine. You can play your game. But I look at it like, you're attacking my people.

You're attacking our communities. You're attacking a way of life. You're attacking our culture. You're making me have to feel embarrassed because we have family members that are in the oil industry. Somehow we're dirty people. No, we're not. No, I think it's time for us to stand up to be proud of who we are. Sean, when I'm going to ask you, describe the typical Western.

I know we're most influenced by those in this area, but when you just say, you know what, describe the average Western person, their values. What are those? I would think hardworking and friends and family are most important. Something like that. We want to play, we want to play some hockey and probably drink too many. beers on the weekend something along that lines and are you embarrassed of of hardworking are you embarrassed that we want to earn an income are you embarrassed that people want to have entrepreneurial

pursuits you know these are all noble causes why are we willing to be you know I feel like we're begging for the attention of our father you know like come on East give us some attention here give us some love listen look at us over here right we're good people I I What do you think? I think for a long time, well, majority of my life, I'm younger than you. I just assumed they had, you know, if you're ruling a country, you have everybody's best interest in mind, right? Like, it's a very naive thought. Okay, so, yeah, I was going to say that's your ideal.

Yes. If you're a leader of the country, you love all the people and you want the best for the whole. Well, my idea is. is if you get into power, you go, okay, so the West has all our natural resources, or not all of them, but a good chunk of them. And if we just spur on this and do this, we'll actually make everybody's lives better, right? Like, that's the way. But then you're looking at me funny. I just, I look at it like, in the worst time ever, why not do projects that keep people working that improve your country? Me and Quick Dick talked about.

this, right? Like the pipelines going east. Like, why not complete that? Why not get things like that to become more sustainable on your country instead of importing from everywhere else? Why not improve inner relations between the two sides instead of divide them? And what we see continuing to happen is all the projects are getting kiboshed. They've got laws in place that you can't put a pipeline in the ground anymore. No tank or ban. The, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, They've pushed this giant divide between us. And I always say, I've been across all Canada. There's wonderful people all the way across.

But when people don't stand up and speak about it, then I feel like we're at where we're at. And you've witnessed for yourself that this probably isn't changing. We're not getting that Kumbaya leader that I'm talking about that wants the best for Canada instead of just the best for, you know. And I'm acting like there isn't lobbyists. And, you know, I follow Danielle Smith on, she's a newsletter that goes out. Yeah.

She's a lobbyist now. And I don't know what I think about that. Is she a lobbyist? I thought she just had her own news, her own media. It says right in the article. I should have highlighted it. But a conservative, conservative lobbyist. Oh, I thought she was.

She's going around meeting with different groups and talking to them and explaining, I'm assuming, why conservatives are getting in in Alberta is the smart play. In the Alberta side, on the provincial side. Not on the federal. Yeah, because I tried subscribing to it, because I'm going to start paying money to people who have alternative news, right? I'm done with the CBCs and, you know, the main street. I don't trust them at all anymore.

And so these people that are providing, because I was, she has it where you can pay for the news. Yeah. Not to say she's the end-all be-all. I think it's good. She's not. She has her own biases. Sure.

Like everybody else. But, I mean, people 50, 60 years ago, there's a quote of, Jim Pattison. Who was that? It doesn't matter. Where he, you know, he buys the New York Times

to read about X, but then he has to buy the Washington Post because he got to do this. He also subscribed to a British paper and then blah, blah, because everybody's got their little twist on the biases, right? And everybody's got lobbyists

as we learn and things are exposed and you go, oh, geez, didn't realize that. It's why you've got to take so many different angles and spend so much time reading different things than just being down your, echo chamber, so to speak, as to try and figure out and uncover what's actually going on. Yeah, I like what you said earlier there, where you said, you've been across Canada and there's good people across Canada. And there are. I have friends across Canada. Maybe in every province,

I don't know if I should say that confidently without thinking more, but you know that you could go to every single province here in every territory, every community, black, white, first nations, you're going to find good people. And you're going to find, you know, now. nasty people. That's just the way human nature works. The unfortunate part is that we're not dealing with the good people. We're dealing with the political structures in place. We

might agree that the game was set up to fail for the West. And that's sad. Or we might just argue that we're in the progression of where we're at. The West, once upon a time, was the new frontier. All the people lived out east. All the people still live O'East. So what

did they do? They sent out their probes and pulled back some of the resources and over time and we're just in the natural progression where it takes time. It took 100 years and here we sit and we go, oh, this doesn't feel right.

Let's do something about it. And you're one of the, you know, they started it with the reform party back in the early 90s. And here we are again. Trying to do a second iteration of it to try and pull some of that back and we're going to see how it goes

because I think most people in the West, whatever Twitter says, whatever Facebook tries to push, whatever all these social media giants try to push, I think most people, when they start to hear about the Mavro party, actually that really makes sense. It does. Like when you and I talk about they're being good people,

I'd like to think, Sean, that if people like you and I, and there's going to be people from every area, if we just said, you know what, let's make a system that works for us, for us all so we can all stay partners. You know, the best case scenario is that Canada stays together. It's a beautiful country. What we've stood for in the past was good. Yes, we have some nastiness behind us, residential schools.

Right. There's been atrocities committed throughout time, and there will be atrocities forevermore, you know, and so we're not without some nasty, embarrassing things in our past as well. But let's just be honest. Aaron O'Toole and Justin, they're not, they can't say, let's just figure out a way to make everybody get, along. They rose to the top of a machine that is told it has to win the game. And to me now,

the Maverick Party and myself and the Sean Newman's, this isn't a game to me. This isn't a game to win. I'm not playing checkers here. This is about humans' lives. This is about our communities. And I look at it like, careful you don't wake up, the giant, right? And not the giant in numbers. I mean, you should have just left us sleeping. You should have just overtacks us a little too much, took a little bit advantage of us, left the equalization payments overpaid too much to the east, and you should have left us alone. You played your cards wrong, is how I'm feeling, because there's a lot of us, and we'll get to the people honking the horns.

I look at it like this. I'm imagining myself being a warrior in war, and one is where I get loaded on a ship and sent to some faraway land to go try to overtake another population and harm their children, harm their wives, and take their resources and make them a colony. would I do that? I don't want to do that, you know, but if I'm forced or if it's my way of making a living, maybe, you know, so there's going to be a certain level of try. You show up on my soil, right?

Or this is our home. This is our soil. This is where we've raised our young. I got a different set of fight at me. And so I'm like, for every conservative, liberal, anybody that's out there that's playing a game, this isn't a game to me. You're on my soil. You know, I'm fighting for our community.

We all are. And that's what this is about. The local group that approached me to run for them, when you mention that I have a negative taste in my mouth about politics, that's 100% correct. When I these people approach me, what they are, there is zero people with political experience involved in our, on our EDA right now, our D.EDA being the board.

There's a group of people that come together for each area. So we're Battleford's Lake Minster. These are Sean Newman's, Ardell Olson's, you know, Heath McDonald's, just people that just want to, these are farmers and entrepreneurs and husbands and wives and good people. Like my wife came out to, she's been by my side through most of it. I mean, through all of it, but coming out to the events, she's like, Ken, I feel like these are people that could be our friends for life, like all them. You have good people with you. That's why I'm involved. Because it's, it's waking up these people that probably typically aren't that

political to say, I'm rising up. I'm rising up. They've, so these are scary times. of the most amazing time. So let's talk about the signs for a moment. I hope I didn't get myself into some, I put out a thing on Facebook saying anybody that wants a sign, let us know, right? Man, we're, we're, I've got my work cut out for me. I've got signs all over the place to run around and put up. Anyway, so my boys and I went out yesterday. We, I got up at like seven in the morning and started framing in these four by eight signs and had a truck full of them ready to go and I was going run them out to all the people that said put them up my yard put up my yard put up in my yard and we're on highway 17 north was where the first first three went up and uh and you know we're in

an old old beat up half ton we got our our our t our hats and are ripped up jeans and our work gloves on and i'm out in front of people's driveways and and uh highway 17 is very busy as you know and i'm kind of like we better get on up on get us up quick and get out of here because you know with all the rural crime and people not trusting people you know in the country as much as they used to Well, as I'm running the sign quickly to put it up, there's people honking their horns. There's people giving you the thumbs up. Like they're kind of doing a double take. And I would say it's like every 15th vehicle.

And you've got to think probably, you know, at least half them didn't even see the sign. So you're really dealing with half. And out of those, half of them are honking their horns. You're giving the thumbs up. I think there's a movement here. Like when we got involved with bikes for breakfast, raising food for the school programs, remember how it just started out as an idea, use your idea. And then it caught something.

where it's like, oh, this, this was a pile of kindling with gas fumes on it. It just needed a match. That's how this is starting to feel to me. A lot of people that are saying, I don't know about the Maverick Party. A lot of them are saying, I haven't heard of you. It's new. It's a new product. Not a product, but it's a new brand.

It's a new name. Other people that you talk to, they're like, ah, you know what? I'm not sure about that. I'm concerned with vote splitting. Or a lot of people, like there's a saying that goes, it's natural to fear the unknown. It's probably programmed into us. You know, like I've just always been on this area.

I've always got my fish out of this lake. I've always, we've always hunted for our deer over in that field. And now you want me to go over the hill to that new territory? I don't know. Is it dangerous? As it safe? Is there another tribe over there, right?

There's probably something into us that we fear the unknown. And so what I would say is that, let me, can I address those two things? Yeah. The two main concerns I find with people that, for people like us, hardworking, good people that just want to give us, communities and and pay some bills.

One is, I don't know, I've always been a conservative. Okay, well, that's, that on its own is that you just being fearful of change. Because tell me one time in history where nothing changed, right? Like just, it's never happened. It never will occur. Everything is always changing. I think what I hear people saying is my life has been comfortable. Conservatives have been my party for all this time.

I've had a good life. now 65 years old and why would I change? Because that's what nature requires you to do to survive. It's called adaptation. We see it. I've done my undergrad and my master's in business. They teach case studies all the time on why do businesses succeed and why do businesses fail.

One of the reasons they fail is because they don't adapt. They get used to a certain way of doing things. And then technology changes. I think it was Kodak, right? Technology, we moved to the electric format. electronic form out of pictures. And one of the companies said, we're just going to stay with film

because that's been our bread and butter. And then it wiped them out. In nature, you have to adapt, right? Darwinianism, right? Whatever. If there's no food left in this field over here, move to the next field over. So I would say to do the same thing over and over again

and expect different results is the definition of insanity. And so I look at it like we, you at least have to consider changing. Don't stay comfortable because. you've been comfortable. I would say these last five years have been disastrous for the West. And if we're following statistics, if we're trending that, let's be honest. We're not heading a good direction. So when do you want to change then, right? Like if you were saying, I'm comfortable where I'm out, I don't want to change. Okay. What if this trend continues for another five years,

10 years, 15 years, 20 years, is that what you want to leave your kids, your grandkids and your great, great, like the next generations? Because you were comfortable, you don't want to change. Okay. I respect that if you, if you take a really, really hard look at this and analyze all your scenarios and still come back to conservatives that's okay it's what's what is great about our countries you can you're free to choose but I think it's time to adapt I I and and let's rip the band-aid off and let's at least start having some some tough conversations because we have to protect our culture our way of life and our way to feed our families the second reason a lot of people not a lot actually

the minority of people that when they hear about Maverick the majority just jump on and say oh I'll get behind that they honked their horn when I put a sign-out is yeah but what about vote splitting that's the number one concern i would say um so the maverick party has said we're only going to run in areas that are dominated by primarily conservatives so in our area or rosemary falk she won with 28 000 votes ish and i believe number two was the liberals with 4,000 so you can see maverick is saying okay that's an area we'll run in because it has similar values to us we think you can win there and no matter what we're either going to send a conservative or a maverick because let's say I take 16,000, right,

uh, Rosemary takes, uh, 12,000, right? The second, the second, let's assume liberals come in with 4,000 again.

There's no way a liberals coming through that, right? So there's no, the vote splitting argument fails on all accounts and it's time for people to analyze this. I get it on a provincial front, you know, where you've got, you know, say on the Alberta side,

you got the NDPs and the UCPs. If the UCP splits with wild rows, you do risk the NDPs coming up the middle. I'm showing my cards here. I don't like, NDPs generally, I don't like, you know, I'm not about right or left. I'm about freedom of business, freedom to make your own decisions, freedom to choose. So anyways, I've talked about, but those are the biggest, too, Sean.

No, no, and I'm still not answering your original question. Why did I get involved? But we'll come back to that. You talk. Well, I was going to say, yeah, most people are worried about the vote split. And for sure, one of them is in the direct area, right? They're like, well, what happens if the liberals go? Well, when you do the numbers like you just did, right?

Like, even if you split half the conservative vote, you both get 14,000 and the next closest is four. It's not even remotely close, right? So the Mavericks have identified, and I would really suggest to listen. If you haven't listened to the Jay Hill episode I did, you go back to it because he explains it rather eloquently on why they picked where they picked, and why they're picked Ken Rutherford to run in his area or, you know, I don't know, there's a handful of you, why they picked those areas. It's because they're dominated by the conservatives. And it means that even if you take part of the vote, one of the two is getting in,

and they both, in theory, you know, represent the conservative value, Maverick more so and more to the west side than anything else. Because I think one of the beautiful things that you didn't bring up is that Mavericks aren't running out east. They're not running in BC. They're not running in a pocket. And so they're not worried about, you know, you talk about the game. You know, you go back to Mr. O'Toole. We want you to win. Well, what are all the votes?

You got to go where the votes are to win. And you got to talk to those people because their vote is just as meaningful, if not more so than what ours is out here because there's a ton of seats represented by the population out east. And I think one of the very interesting things about the Maverick is, you don't have to worry about that. It's like, I don't care about that side of the population, which sounds like very, you know, separatist, right?

Like, oh, you're only worried about here. Listen, that's how the game is played. When you look at the rules, you're just playing by the rules. And the rules say, let's worry about here. Let's get voted in here and let's try and fight for our community, for our population, sitting right here. and I think it's like the more I listen to the people coming on board, the more conversations I've had around the Maverick party,

the more interested it becomes, you know? One of the things that, a couple things have come up since I've talked openly about Maverick. One is the name. You know, why couldn't it be the West whatever party? And you're like, I don't know, like Maverick has kind of got an interesting ring to it. And I think it signifies what you guys are trying, and ladies are trying to do. The other thing that I've had in close, and I'm curious your thoughts on this, I laughed out loud when I got said, but I mean, I don't know if you hear this or not.

But I've had their white supremacists. And I was like, who said that? I don't worry about it. I don't feel like sharing names. Okay. Oh, this was a private conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I apologize for asking you that.

No, and I was like, white supremacists. I'm like, I don't get that from what they're talking. talking about. But those are some of the misconceptions, I guess, that get brought up behind closed doors when I bring up Maverick party. I'm sure you get different things. Definitely being new and a novel idea is always going to be a challenge because there's no history to it. So people are trying to figure it out. But definitely some interesting conversations around Maverick and probably how different parties are framing the Maverick too. Oh, it's the attacks are going to start because it's, it's to say that Maverick has no chance is, is false. It's going to start to attract the tension. They're going to start. That's kind of something that I'm kind of mentally preparing for, you know, is, is being attacked. And I'm okay at that.

I kind of, am I okay? I'm not okay at that, but the, yeah, you said a lot there. And let's start with maybe, maybe some groups, like when we follow the. the typical spectrum of left right. You know, maybe when something comes up further down the right, it brings in the crazies.

Or maybe that's what people fear or think or assume. If there was any of that in this party, I'm not interested. I would not have joined. I researched it quite well. I, you know, I both did. We both went for breakfast with Alan Kapan

and I talked to Jay Hill and the EDA group. And if there was anything in it that was like, you know, Ben-Aquay, I teach with Ben. Ben is from Ghana, right? He's, he's okay. He's got very, very dark skin. And he's one of my best friends. And he keeps telling me that I'm one of the least white people inside he's ever met.

And so I take that as a compliment. I've had students that are gay. I've had students that are straight. I've had students that are tall. I've had students that are short. I've had friends on all accounts. It's just not in me. It's just not in me to dislike somebody for the color their skin. It's just not. I've gained a love of traveling and seeing the world and celebrating other cultures and other foods and other ways of doing things. And so I don't think that's the correct way to look at this. I look at this like there already is regional parties representing all the other regions except for us. We just went through the numbers. You know, you can pretend that your concertive tattoo on your arm equals. It's, it's funny to me.

me that when it comes to the block, it almost seems because they have a different language, right? Like French is, like it's okay for them to have their own regional because they're protecting what's theirs. And I just sit and look at it and I'm like, that's a really weird thought for me to have, right? For the longest time, I've never questioned the block. Like, why? Maybe as a kid, like, why do they want to separate? Like, for sure. But overall, I would say that I just go, oh, they're just protecting their heritage and their culture and what have you just been saying this last half hour? It's all we're trying to do. We're just trying to protect our way of life. And I think we need to all get over the guilt of speaking, trying to protect what's ours.

Because I think most of us just go back to what you said at the very beginning. It's like, just want to be left alone. Just let me, you know, start a business or work a job and go to a lake I don't know, whatever people's interests are. But there is guilt on, you know, we want the best for Canada. But just because we're pulling back some of our own interests doesn't mean that we're not going to be better for Canada by doing that. Yeah, we, exactly that. Like, it's people are probably going to be sick and tired of me saying this.

But let's just go through that. Block Quebec wall? Or, you have the block. They just say we run in Quebec for, Quebec. We're here to protect culture. We're here to protect our way of life. I used to look at that as being selfish. I used to be like, no, you've got to be good to the whole family. If you're, if you say, I just want what I want, you're the spoiled child, right? You know, stop it. Be good to the whole. And I'm the oldest of six kids. So that's kind of like the, it's naturally programmed into me,

I think, uh, is to say we need to make sure every mouth at the table gets, gets a pork chop. Right. We can't have one getting three and one and two getting none. That's that can't happen. The whole has to be taken care of. It's just, it's just in my programming. And I think it was in the West to say, no,

we went to war together. You know, I've died with somebody from Quebec on my right, somebody from, you know, Newfoundland on my left and somebody from the prairies and northwest territories. And I've died with First Nations by my side.

I've died with black, you know, you can see war would make you wash away all these little silly divisions that humans like to make. to make. Yeah. And I'm with that. Now, where my brain went, and bear with me as I tell a story one more time,

is when I was coaching senior hockey, every single time, every game you'd sing the Canadian anthem. I'd always take off my hat. I'd always stare at the flag, and I'd sing every word. Because I believe that. My grandpa was in the world war. And I just think about the history of this. You know, we've had lots of good times. We've had lots of times.

We've had lots of times. We talked about the residential schools. We talk about war. We talk about the drive. years we talk about you know like there's a lot of history there's a lot of history here we've come through a lot I'm like you know what my brain will stay on that Canadian flag I will stay loyal to it and I will sing every word of this this this this uh national anthem then hit me one day I'm like wait a minute I just switched I wish I if I would have journaled I

could tell you which game it was I was like that flag I'm like wait a minute I'm the oldest of six kids we're all different we're all different and that's not a bad thing you know if If some of my brothers and sisters, they like to live in the city, some like to live in the country. Some, some, you know, like the government. Some would be like to be more entrepreneurial and keep the government out of their life. And I'm like, and we all still get together at Christmas. We all still love each other. And that's okay.

So I no longer look at the block as being selfish. I just say, no, they're just saying we're just different. And we just want to be preserve our culture. So maybe they just were smarter than us and they understood the game faster than us. Westerners. I don't know why. Maybe it just took us a while to age. you're mature. Now I'm saying like if Ontario, if conservative liberals focus on the east because of the

numbers, if Quebec or Block Quebec walk focus on Quebec because of for the Quebec, who's looking after the West? Like who's, what's the regional party saying and this is what we want? They're not there. So I think a lot of people like me, they're like, well, turns out I'm kind of politically homeless, right? I was conservatives and concertos kind of said, sir, I'm not, I'm going to run over that way and and you just got to learn to fend for yourself. Okay, how do I do that without a political home? Up comes a Maverick Party. So now I'm kind of like, it's okay.

We're not being selfish. We're just maturing. We're saying, I'm no longer 12 anymore. I'm now 22, 23. Kind of coming to my own, you know, love you, dad, you know, but it's time for me to make my own way, right? And knowing that things change in a perfect world, this works. You know, the Maverick Party,

It's not also, people say, oh, you just, you just don't love Canada. No, no, actually their first, their first, they have a twin track strategy. Number one, represent the West, fight for the West. If it's good for the West, stand up for it. If it's bad for the West, vote against it, stand up against it. And find a way to work within Canada. In a perfect world, we keep this country together. But we can only control us.

We can't control those who are at the top gaming this. If that doesn't work, then we need to start moving towards independence. And I hope the first track works. But it's what's the saying, speak softly but carry a big stick. That seems wise to me. Let's first talk. Let's first negotiate. Right?

And if that doesn't work, then what? We'll have that conversation when we get there. I heard on 2-2's podcast when he interviewed the MP, the Maverick MP. 222 actually said it. That guy's a smart guy. Hey, I know you've talked to him. He says, I don't understand why they call it twin track. Why isn't it a single track with two destinations?

Because they're moving in the same direction. If we learn to stand up for ourselves and represent our interests, we're partway down the track. If that doesn't work, we need to keep going further down the track and moving towards independence. I don't know some people are saying, Ken, it's too late. It's time to just, we need to separate. We need to go on our way. I don't know. I kind of go, whoa, whoa, we're talking about if we really want to represent.

present the West for what's best for the West. These are steps to be taken with surety, with planning, with thinking, money supply, trade agreements, access to tidewater, you know, there's a way, where there's a will, there's a way. What's that saying, Frederick Nietzsche? Where there's, actually, I think I wrote, he who has the why can bear almost any how. right so if we if we get forced to the edge to where we're we've got unemployment and they and they've locked us out of all of our oil and our resources and and you know we'll just find

a way we'll find a way you know like you know something else i'd say Sean is that people often me included don't do don't make a decision because we're fearful of the outcome but not making decision is also a decision right and a lot of people like yeah but what about vote spending. What about this? Yeah, but what about that? Let's stop fearing. Let's look at this from a positive perspective. What if we do? Let's talk about that from it. Let's at least scenario this. What can come from a maverick win? What can come from us standing up for the West? What can come if we start to say it's time for us to start protecting our culture, protecting our resources, standing up for the entrepreneur, standing up for the family, standing up for those, you know,

what if we start to instead of going head to head with First Nations, Let's, how can we work together? That just sounds good to me. You know, how can we as the West, First Nations, rich, poor, tall, short, you know, black white. What if we say we can do, what's, what if we do this differently and we do it for the best of any in the West? What does that look like? How good could this be? Why don't we just let that run in our mind for a moment?

You know, what do you think? Well, I, I don't know what, what it can be. I'm interested, you know, like, when I've had all the chats with Alan Kapan and Jay Hill and Leon Benoit and all the major hitters of the old guard, so to speak, who've been in politics a long time, you know, it's an uphill climb, right? Like, it's not like you're walking in and winning 50 seats in the first year. Who knows what you guys can do? so I'm very curious to see when the election gets called and to watch you know like I laugh like six years ago I wouldn't have given too like it's funny how time just changes things and you evolve and grow so with the Maverick party I'm going to be very very interested to see how how it goes and then I believe in you can I believe in a lot of the things you talk about and so I think you have a real real good shot of being elected, which would be wild in my mind. Like, Ken Rutherford going to Ottawa.

I just don't know. I guess I go, what can one person do by themselves if you're the only Maverick? Or maybe there's Tenia. I don't know, maybe. But I know if you don't start, then you kick the ball down another four years or another two years or whatever it is. and if you don't start then, then it just keeps getting kicked down

and we just keep going down the same, you know, you mentioned insanity. It's just like, we're just doing the same. So to me it's like, well, this had to come, right? Like, I'm not saying this is identical to Wild Rose because it's not. Wild Rose is provincial. One of the things I think we all,

and I wasn't even paying attention to it back then, but Wild Rose was an upstart. And in his first kick of the can, They exceeded everyone's expectations. And then they became the official opposition. And all this stuff goes on. And then Daniel Smith walks across the floor. And nobody understood it.

She always says, oh, because she really respected the conservatives. To me, my brain has a hard time. Why aren't the conservatives walking over to you? So I guess I just go, where can the Maverick party go? I go, sky's the limit, right? I mean, you got to hope for the best. Yeah, the few things I'd say to that is somebody might say, and this might have been my thought too, actually, like not coming from a political background.

You know, I know my mom says that's not true, but it is. Like there's no, the number of political meeting my dad took me to, zero, right? Number of MPs who have actually shaken their hand. Yeah, a couple. maybe, you know, you know, so no, we're just not that political, but the, somebody might say

well, if you're only running in the West, so you talked about the Reform Party, they did try this once before, and the Reform Party actually did well, yes, it did, yeah. And like going back, so the, and I wrote down the stats again, in 1998, no, reform party was formed in 1987,

in the first election in 1988, they sent zero MPs to Ottawa. And the next election, In 1993, they sent 52. I believe in that election, the conservatives were reduced to three seats. Does that sound right to you? Roughly, yes. But they're almost wiped off the face of the map.

So people to say, oh, you're an upstart. Oh, you don't have a hope. No. This has been done before with a lot of success. The problem is the Reform Party decided to say, you know what we've done so well in the West. Why don't we start moving towards the east? Maybe they want. And that was a failure.

The people that have started the original former say. Then they learn the lesson of now you have to talk to Eastern. They're adapting. Right. They figured out what went right, what went wrong. Let's do it again. Except better. So now, somebody might say,

if you're only running west of the Manitoba border, how are you going to do anything? If you have zero hope of ever being the prime minister, and I think that's a good thing. Because now you are Block Quebecois. You're saying, we're just here to side with anything that's good for the West, we side with. So the best case scenario is we have a minority parliament,

and they need us to pass a motion or pass a bill or to vote against something and we can say, we're just ready to dance with anybody that'll help the West. You know, we're here to negotiate. That's it. To me, this whole strategy is simple. If it's for the West, find a way to get it. If it's poor for the West, find a way to stop it.

And we're now free from the mothership of the Conservatives to what tells us how to vote. We just say we're free. If conservatives, if you want to be conservative and treat the West well, well, why wouldn't, this area, if they vote for, for the for the for the member party and they send me as as their representative they tell me how to vote they say can support that perfect i'll support that if they say can that's terrible for us don't do that you need to stand up against that okay let's stand up against it there's none of this uh i'd love to but let me check with uh let me check with the general sorry can't on this one we're going with what the general says right there's none of that

so to me it's it's we're free we can now start to vote for us and if that doesn't work course we're moving towards independence right yeah free thinkers. Free thinkers. Representing their, representing their constituents' interests freely, right? You know, it's not, the other way doesn't allow that. You know, now when I talk to these two,

like you talked about Jay Hill and Alan Krippan. These are two, they were reform parties. I believe Alan Krupan was, or Jay Hill was the longest standing whip in, in province history. He was with Stephen Harper. So these are two, they both have gray hair, a lot, lengthy careers. Alan Capano was one of the members that was foundational putting the Saskatchewan party together.

You know, these are, these are, what would I say? You know, you talk about First Nations having two chiefs. Yeah, right? One for peacetime and one for war time. I've heard you say that. And so to me, when you have old, and I don't mean to say old, I just mean wise, tried and trude people with gray hair, you know, in their 60s or early 70s, who are saying, listen, we've been here before,

let us guide the ship. That's what we have in Alan Capanna, Jay Hill, and that's good. That gets it out of like, you know, if you and I were both 25 and we're going to start up a new political party, it might be exciting, but it's going to lack wisdom.

It's going to lack history. It's going to lack some knowledge and some past. It gives you credibility. And credibility. Don't forget that. But when we talked to Alan Capana, I asked him this question directly. He was an MLA in the Scotry Party.

He's also an MP in Ottawa with the Reform Party. And now he's with Jay Hill. and the Mavericks. And I said, Jay, or Alan, when the, when the reforms did so well in 1993, and they sent 52 MPs to Parliament, what was the anger level or the frustration level or the P-Oed level of Western Canadians at that point time? He said, oh, I'd probably say it so it was a six out of ten, maybe a seven. People were pretty upset.

I said, okay, well, you know, what would you describe that now, you know, Western Canadians that you were in contact with? What's that level, that number? Whatever that number that you're giving a six or seven? He goes, eight or nine. I'm like, okay. So we sent 52 MPs when they were six or seven out of ten. Now I've got people honking and waving and thumbs up

and begging for a sign out front of their yard once they learn about Maverick. If we can get the word out, I think this is... Well, it's one of the reasons I wanted to have you on. We're ready to make a statement. I mean, at the end of the day, our history, you know, for the years we've known each other, Ken, and we've been very involved, active together, you know, families get together, that kind of thing.

And to have you on the podcast and see the progression of where you're at, I want people to understand why you're running, what the party's about. You know, when I first started this podcast, if you would have told me, go back to, like, go back to 2018. We're building the studio. Like, if you would have told me I was getting into politics, I probably would have laughed at you.

Now, in fairness, I listened to a lot of sports podcast back then that would say, we'll do everything but politics. And I always laughed at that line. I'm like, but why? Like, it's probably the most important thing. I get it that people,

I don't want to talk. I don't want to talk about politics. It's boring. It's whatever. It's like, I don't know, maybe in the best of times that's true, but at the worst of times, when things are going sideways,

I think it's on all of us to take an action. active role and understand what your vote is doing because that is what a democracy is, right? And so I've listened to a ton of podcasts where there's sports and they'll say, we'll talk about anything. Entertainment, blah, blah, blah, blah, life, everything, but no politics. And if I rewind the clock, if you told me I would be talking about so much politics over the last six months, I probably would have laughed. I would have been like, I don't know, I find that hard to believe. but here we are and I go

Ken Rutherford is running for his area which I once again think there's no I mean that's public service and your values how you value things is aligns directly with mine and we just got to get the word out

right like that's why I wanted to have you back on because once you're announced I'm like well now I gotta get you on right we gotta let people know what's going on because people do hear. Certainly they're going, I think Ken's running for that Maverick party. Well, we've got to get the word out of what Maverick is. Because right now, I think it absolutely needs to be at the forefront of conversation

of what's coming this fall, because it is going to come here awfully quick with another federal election, I would assume. And right now, I just don't see a change in government. And if there was a change in government, I think we all, that pay attention to it, conservatives get in, it's not like it's going to be this earth-shattering change in the narrative. Like, they're almost the same bloody party at this point.

Yeah, the statistics right now, I checked. I mean, there's lots of different polling, but the polling shows liberals win. There's a pretty decent chance we end up with exactly what we have. If you vote the way you've always voted. Minority or majority liberal, you know, PCs, you know, running second and thinking about ousting O'Toole and getting the next iteration. Excuse me. And, and yeah, so let's, can we, you asked me a question earlier. And do you want if I speak to one more thing?

Yeah. Why are you involved? Like, what was your why? Sure. Are you okay if I just make sure I speak to that one? Is, there's another thing I've seen. It says, hey, Ken, it's just your show. You do whatever you want.

No, it's your show. First of all, thanks for the opportunity to come on, Sean. I'm busting your balls. You said having us on is I don't view this as running for me. me. I view this as running for us. And when the group first approached me to say, hey, Ken, there's a couple people we're talking to, we think you'd fit the bell. Would you be interested? I said, well, that's, that's pretty heavy. I said, can I, can I go back and can I call

you in a couple days? I just need to talk to my wife. And of course, we had a newborn baby and have our kids and, you know, all in all, I would say I live a good life. I have my own business and I teach at the college and I have a quiet life. and I get to kind of just go do my thing and coach some hockey and do some volunteering stuff, bike for breakfast stuff with you. And why would somebody walk away from that? Why would I, why would I risk that? You know, I don't have to get attacked on Twitter.

I don't have to have people tell me I'm stupid or, you know, when you start to show your face more, you just, you have a higher probability of attracting comments. You also have a higher probability of attracting activity. I don't need the comments, all compliments. My wife loves me. I love her. I've got a wonderful family. I've got great friends around me. I don't need accolades for everybody. I don't want it. So that says you're bringing negativity. Right. I'm like when they called me, I went home that day and honestly, the decision was pretty quick. I walked into my little little, what would he been then? Like 10 months old. My little Ben looked up me with those blue eyes. And I was just like, no. The answer is no. Can't risk the family. Too big of an ask. Right. So I called them back and said, I, I'd love to. support let me do a little more research on the party and I'd like to get involved

you know but I'd like to learn a little bit more but as for me running no I I'm out and then one of my good friends I won't say a name but she called me about three weeks later said I'm thinking about running would you support me I said yeah of course I would you're you're hard working you're honest you're your community builder you pay your bills you've got a good name in the community I if there's something issue in the area I can come see the whites of your eyes and I know for sure if I booked a meeting with you you tell me, here's what happened, Ken, and here's why we did all we could. And I know I'd trust you.

So absolutely. It doesn't matter who goes. It just needs somebody who will stand up for the West, who's a good person to go. And then that person called me maybe a couple weeks later and said, I can't. I'm having some health issues. I can't. And so then it's funny, I went home and talked to my wife, Jen. And she said, get your butt in there and do it.

I'm like, what are you saying? She's like, somebody's got to stand up. You and I've talked a lot about this and we think the West is in trouble. You know, what's that saying? All you need for evil to prevail is for good people to not stand up and do anything, right? And so it's like, well, somebody's got to do it. And life is, you know, you and I've read a lot on this type of stuff. It seems like the things that are the hardest and the most uncomfortable, you know,

might be the areas of life that bring you the biggest gains too, right? Like, you want, you want little results, do little work. You want big results. Go conquer the mountain. And, and I'm like, well, that means time away from the family. That means stress. That means upsetting my comfortable, quiet life. And I thought, but if I really believe in this, you know, one day the kids will look at us and say, what did you do?

You know, when you, when you talk, Ken, I listen to that podcast. Dad, I, grandpa, I listened that podcast with Sean Newman from 2020 or 2021. And you talked about how things were going tough. What did you do? I kind of just sat in my basement, complained about it, and, you know, just tried to write it out. You know, that does some real brave to me. You know, I want to be an old fella and saying, follow the podcast. I didn't journal, but let's go listen to Sean's podcast.

I did everything I could. And so that made me phone them back and say, let's rock and roll. Let's go. If you want to, if you think I can help the area, then let's go. And I will fight for the people. So that's how that came to be. Yeah. So that's my why.

And now when I see the people getting behind it, it's, it's humbling, Sean, and it's, I won't lie, it's stressful. I went for coffee this last week with a 65-year-old man, you know,

who I think is a very strong man, who had tears in his eyes, talking about the West and saying, I hope, I hope this does something. It's a heavy load. You know,

it's a heavy load. And when you say, what can one person do. The reality of this is, is that one person can't do very much. You know, like, there's focus on this today's episode on the Maverick Party and Ken running in the stadium. But if that's all that happens, this is dead in the water. But at least they try. This requires everybody to do their little bit. We need good people to stand up. We've talked about this so many times, Sean, when you talk about the Hill Montereena board. Wherever your skills fit, stand up and exercise those skills,

become part of the solution. If your role is to volunteer for a soup kitchen, at the olive tree here in town, go do it. If that's where your skills and your heart tugs you, right, the little voice in your head, if there's something tugging you to say, that's where I'm supposed to be, go do it. Just get off Netflix, get off your smartphone, go do it.

There's something tugging you to run for municipal politics to, you know, do it, school board, do it, volunteering for bike for breakfast, or to, you know, candy, stripe or anything. Enough of the, I'm just not into politics, so I'm probably not just going to do anything. I hope that's not who we are. I hope this is waking us up and shaking us all. This is just Ken's little piece and alone it's nothing. And Maverick is not going to save all the world's problems. It's just its own little play. But we can see what happens. What happens if,

what happens if 90% of Westerners can set up and say, I'm going to start giving. I'm going to start standing up. I'm going to start offering, donating. You know, that's my thought. Running a podcast and being, Dr. Andrew from Vermillion, right? You know, what, Dustin Newman with the Wildrose party. What happens if everybody stands up and starts tugging a little bit? It's like, to me it's like a tug-of-war. You know, if you have one person on one side of a rope and you have 10,000,

the other one just with one hand on the rope who wins, the 10,000, it's easy, right? So what if all Westerners stood up and started? But to me, it's like we can only control what we can control. thinking about, you know, the World Economic Forum or, what's that evil fellow they always say is running the world? Oh, Carl Schwab's morning. And the Great Reset. Yeah, it's probably out there.

It's probably evil. The moneymakers of the world and the bankers of the world and the finance of the world are probably incredibly evil people that want nothing but more gain, more wealth. It's too big for me, but what I can do is I can do my part of my community. and if we all just look around and say, I can influence what's around me, I can do my podcast. I'm Sean Newman.

I know how to podcast. You know, look at the good you've done. You know, think of the good you've done. My uncle, my uncle Pat and Auntie Dawn, listen to your podcast with Jay Hill because I'm surprised. They're Maverick supporters.

They want Maverick signs and they come out to the events. And these are just good people. Like Uncle Patentad Don, they're just really nice people. There's probably my favorite uncle and my favorite aunt. And they're just nice people.

Raised a good family, paid their bills. Uncle Pat worked with Husky here in town. And he's with Maverick. And I said, why? What attracted you? You know what? We've been frustrated for a long time. The West has been harmed.

And we listen to Sean Newman's podcast with Jay Hill. And that was just the end of it for us. They're like, that's bang on. We're a Maverick party. We need to move. The West needs to stand up for itself. You know, so you doing what you're doing. Right.

So I guess just, I'm just encouraging, I'm patting you on the back. and patting everybody who's doing something, and I'm encouraging people to do more. Because, boy, what can you do when you harness human, not human gaming, but human love? Human energy. Human energy, good positive human energy.

Bike for breakfast, right? Come together and say, let's do something good. And the community comes together and puts $300,000 together for kids' stomachs. That's good. Necky Jamal's, right? Let's be more like Necki, I think. Well, Necky's episode comes out right before this one. Oh, cool.

you'll get to, people will get to listen to who Necky Jamal is and he's another special human being. Yes. That lives here in our community. Yeah, it's, as far as the podcast goes, you know this, probably a lot of listeners don't know this, but how many meetings did I sit in for The Maverick? Like, I talked to a lot of people on the inner workings of it and what always impressed me about it was, so for the listener, um, Ken was pushing on me to run for Maverick on the Alberta side.

And I took a deep dive into it, a really, really deep dive, right? Talk to all the head guys brought Jay Hill on the podcast. That had nothing to do with it at that point. I just wanted to, you know, learn more myself. And what always impressed me is none of them said, just do it, you should do it. It's the right thing. They all actually told me don't do it, right?

Don't do it. And you got way too young kids. you're you know X, Y, Z, right? They had a list of things. And I came back to, I don't know, A, I didn't, there's a lot of unknowns with doing what you're about to do. And I would say one of the turning points for you, if you listen to your story, is your wife said,

you need to do this. Yeah. Right? And I have a different story, a different journey, sorry, on my side. And I look at it and I go, I've worked my freaking tail off to have a podcast in town that can be somewhat influential. Some people are going to argue really influential. Some are going to argue not. I'm just going to sit here and say it's become what it's become.

And I have a part to play moving forward and it's going to be through this. Because, you know, I'm hoping, I'm hoping the next one we sit down is you've just been elected. and it's either sitting in Ottawa doing it or sitting here and doing it, and that'll be the next leg of the journey, and it'll be a very interesting eye-opening chat, because I'm hoping, and even if that doesn't come to pass, regardless of the next one is coming after a federal election that you've played part in, and that will be a brand new experience to talk about.

I think it'll be super interesting to hear about a guy who has no political background to be in that realm and to talk openly, and freely about it, win or lose, I think win. And just to let the common person know what is going on. And I think that'll be, like, to let people hear that will be amazing. It'll be impactful. And I know that's a part of the, a part I will play moving forward is opening up the dialogue around some of the political conversations that normally people don't want to listen to.

I don't want to turn on political talk every single day. I don't. And I'm hoping that by having yourself on or going back to the Jay Hill, right? Like I don't think I approached it like a typical politician, right? Just an open conversation with a regular Joe trying to figure out what on earth is going on. And to me, I think we need more of that. We need to find new ways to bring politics back to a bit of the forefront. Because as much as the Oilers are fun to talk about,

because they are and I know Ken Holland's going to screw up here again and people are going to be on them and that's fine. I've said this to you before. I really understand the part sports plays in our world now that it's been taken away from us for so long and I'm looking forward to kids getting back into sport and I really hope there's no more lockdowns is coming fall and everything else. But I think we need as a population to start to open our eyes specifically in our area of what's going on and why Maverick is becoming very, very important. Yeah, just so the listener understands, I did try and encourage Sean into running on the Alberta side very hard.

If I believe in something, you know, that thing I said, speak softly, carry a big stick. I think that that's me, is I approach things. If I'm passionate about something, I really go after it. And I would vote for you. And when I mean that, that's not an ego stroke. That means to me, I listened to a fellow once say, what are you looking, what's the best things to have in a politician? There's two key, key points.

And you probably know where I'm going. One is to be of good morals, to be of good ethics is number one. Number two is to be smart. If you can get them both, you know, you got a lucky role. But you have to have number one. one. Number two is we hope for. And when I look at Sean, like when I think of politicians, if you showed up in my community with a fancy shiny pointed leather shoes and a, you know, a finely pressed shirt and a three, five thousand dollar suit and a Mercedes Benz and fancy speak

and an air about you that you're you're just a little smarter than the rest of us. Not interested. That's not me. I'm not saying there's not good people that do that. But that's what is Sean Newman. Sean Newman's me. You know, he's straight shooter, blue collar, works hard, pays his bills, good to his community, you know, loves his wife, you know, and if I had an issue or a problem, or if I had to send somebody into that dog pile of called Ottawa to look after us, I'd vote for you, a thousand times out of a thousand. And I know that because of, you know, other issues, not issues, even just where your life is

at and directions, I think it'll come at sometimes. is my thought. It's just not right now and I've stopped pushing. Have you? I have actually. I respect you a lot, Sean. And yeah, I have. I have. I'm as kind as can be when I stuck out and carry a big stick is I'm also not afraid of a scrap. You know, I like to talk first and negotiate first. And if it has to get a little rough around the edges, I'm just fine with that too. So I think I'm kind of built for this a little bit, you know, and I think you are too. I watch you. Every time you meet with

somebody you you you you get to know who they are you ask them questions you sit down and figure what's making them tick and if they're upset about you're like what's got to be in your bono let's talk about that you know and i've also seen you when somebody sticks you uh you know where where the place people shouldn't be sticking or or takes around at your goalie or you know lift different side of shon can come out you know so you you talk softly and carry a big stick to and that's i like that i like i like uh i like people who are good to people that try to bring peace and if they have to go to war, you know, they're, uh, they've got a spine to them. You know, they've got some, some dangerousness to them as well. And, and that's you. I just, I respect you. So for right now,

I mean, I, as you notice, when's the last time I tried pushing you into it? It's been a while. It's been a while. It's been a while. Pay the respect you. And I trust your reasoning. And right now, you're podcasting, Lloyd Minister, your wife just moved up a position in the school system. She's a smart, wonderful lady that that's, that's, that's her career is on upward and onward and you have to do this as a team. So when you talk about the people saying, you shouldn't do this. And the number one thing I remember them saying is if your wife's on board, don't do this. Right. If she's not saying go do it, don't do it. I respect that. Because you got to think they're they're trying to put these two fellows came out of

retirement to push this. They believe in that that much for their grandchildren and great grandchildren. Same reason I'm here and children. And they came on a retirement, you know, and they don't want to run. They don't want to Jay Hill said, I'm the end term later. I'm here to get the ball roll and then I'm out. I respect that. I respect that a lot. Could have been easier just to stay quiet in his own basement and watch his Netflix. And so, you know, I wish it was in a different place for you, but it's not the time.

So don't do it. But folks, we need somebody on the Lakeland side. So we got Lakeland on the Alberta side. They've got an EDA formed and they're gaining momentum. Saskatchewan is up running, the Battleford's Lloydminster. The Battleford's Leibister includes a lot of, I mean, I've done a lot in Leibnester, but this is, you know, it's Macklin, it's North Battleford. D-Damm, it's Glassland, it's Turtopher, it's Paradise Hill, it's Loosland, right? Marshall, you know, it's all this area that you have to represent and get to know.

So to help folks, if you want to know how to help, this is a team sport, and we need you. We really need you. It's time to everybody do their little pit. If you want to volunteer, you want to become part of this, you want to sign, you want to donate, you want to organize a barbecue, I'll come anywhere. Like I said, I'm not in this for glory. I'm not in this to game. in this because I'm going to work for our people. I'm going to war for our people. And what's the

best way for people to get behind you? Meet them. Shake their hand. I don't want to make some tick. What's piss them off? What do they love? What are they worried about? Right? And you want to put on a barbecue in your local pub or your backyard. I don't care if there's five families. You tell me the night. You tell me that there's burgers. I'll come out for a coffee or a beer. And that's all we're doing, Sean, is we're going around to all these communities and doing that. And we've got a lot of support. So we have a Facebook page. I wrote down it's a oh, Battleford's Lakeland EDA I think it's called Maverick, Battleford's Lakeland. Sorry, I should write down. Sorry, I don't have it. Oh,

there is. Maverick Party, Battleford's Lloydminster, EDA. So if you, if you want to get a hold of us, there's a Facebook page and just message through that say, I'd like to volunteer, I'd like to sign, I'd like to, we're going to need some money, right? The, you imagine the war chest that liberals and conservatives have on a ready role, when they find out that their seat here is at risk, they're going to spend money here, right? So we've seen what this community can do when they get behind something. Like, let's meet fire with fire.

Let's go. They want to scrap. Let's take it to them. You might have I changed the subject now? Yeah, let's get on. Are we done? No, no, no. Well, I've had this written down since we started.

Let's go. Because you said it, and it has stuck with me now for like five days. Okay. So I'm in the middle of my family being gone to the States for closing in on three weeks, and it'll be a total of like three and a half weeks of being apart from Mel and the kids. And it weighed heavy on me. It's just, you know, the evolution of a guy, I guess, right? Like five years ago when she'd do it.

So for the listener, right, I'm married to a girl from Minnesota. which means that her parents don't see our kids for 11 months of the year, whatever it is, right? Teacher, so in the summer, she usually goes for a month. And usually I go for, you know, half the time or whatever it is, right? This year is different. So she's been there for three weeks. And I said to you, I just, like, really miss them, you know?

Like, I'm enjoying it, but I'm not really enjoying it. I'm trying to lay low. I'm not really, you know, like, I don't know. I don't want to go out and party. I don't want to, I just, I'm going to do some projects, I'm going to lay low and whatever. And then you said, and it caught me so off guard because you're the first person to say it. You said, maybe it's a good thing to your part. And I remember like, what?

And you being like, well, you know, distance makes the heart grow fonder. And you couldn't be more bang on, I think. I don't mean that I mean Five days away I think would be more than enough to prove that right This is a little extreme maybe But I was thinking You know I was

Been with Mel 14 years 14 years in December We started dating back in 2007 In college And I have always been a romantic I've always you know gone above and beyond to, you know, I don't know, just little things, right? Even how I proposed to her.

I didn't just go, hey, honey, you want to get married? I built, you know, our first kiss came off a game of hangman. And which, like, nobody plays hangman anymore. And so for... That was before or after Twister. We got a hangman and we play in your shot. That's another episode. That's another.

Okay. And so when we got married, I constructed an elaborate game of hangman that was a scavenger hunt. So every new spot you count. Okay, so it was a, this is a, this is the safe, okay. Yes. Ken, rather. Anyways, and that, and that was the guy I was.

And then, you know, they talk about in relationships you get complacent or, I don't know the word, right, comfortable, right? Like, you put on comfort weight. You stop doing the things that made you successful because you have them and you don't need to worry about it. Except you absolutely need to worry about it, right? And after you said that to me, I'm making a really short story long, is I just started thinking about it. I haven't stopped thinking about it since. That some of my, it's refocused me onto like, you know, you can't let all of what made you guys work and what made the beginning of this work.

work just disappear because you have kids in a job and a podcast and whatever else it's like no you really need to focus back in on your relationship because that's what's going to make you successful uh you always talk until you're 85 uh i want you know i get to do the archive interviews and i love hearing when people have been married for 50 years and and uh that's a value i hold really really high well you don't get there by not paying attention to your relationship i guess is what i'm getting at and what distance for this long has kind of positioned me back to is exactly that. People are so, I've had, Al Lorenz, one of my good friends, owns rec tech power products there.

He's like, every time we talk about something, he's like, if you say the name Nassim Tileb one more time, he had a big impact on my life, anti-fragile. Your relationship is the same. Because I've traveled a lot, often without my wife for work, right? Either the college was sending me somewhere because of recruiting students from Africa or from any country. My master's when I was doing my MBA, I did a lot of Asia.

So I've traveled a lot. And I'll tell you what, I've learned to love other cultures, like I've mentioned earlier on the podcast. It just smashed my small town Saskatchewan boy of like, no, this. You're supposed to eat steak and potatoes and, you know, you're supposed to live life and eat with a fork. Well, no, maybe chopsticks eating, you know, sushi downtown Tokyo is kind of a cool experience. Relish it.

Enjoy it. Emmerse yourself. So, I mean, I've traveled. a lot. But what that came with was a lot of times my wife was at home. And I always found like the first day after traveling, especially if you're going somewhere in the world where it's a 24 hour travel period. First day you're just exhausted. You know what? I'd give my wife the curse. Hey, Jenny, love you. I'm just going to go to sleep now. You know, and then the next day you're kind of unwinding because life has been a, you're trying to get everything done and it's, well, you know, trying to get Mel ready to get down the States.

The third day is like, holy smokes. I'm, I'm in Ghana. I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, Vietnam. I'm in Korea. You know, I get to go and walk on Vietnamese soil. You know, I get to go see the, and then by the time it's like, for me, I've done it so many times. It's a, even the next day's kind of, now I'm going to go taste some different food and I'm going to go to a university that I'm in touch with. And the university professor is going to meet up with my students and we're going to hang out tonight and tour the university. And then by about day six, Jenny, Jenny can times it's like, okay, I really miss my bed. I really miss my wife.

I really must my kids. Damn it, I'm never going to, I'm just going to hug her. I think I'm going to wrap my arms around. I'm not going to let go when I see her at the airport. Right. And then I'm usually gone for a two week period. So by the time, day 14, it's like, holy crap, do I love that woman. I have the most beautiful woman and the most kindness woman.

You know, that's saying, you know, when you say things hit you, just hit me like you have to experience life a little bit. You know, saying behind every good man is a good woman. And I was looking at her in the car last night. And I was like, no, it's beside every good man as a good woman. And she has loved me on my best of days and my worst of days. And I'm pretty stressed right now, you know, running hard. So there's days that I'm just not this like easy going.

Hey, can I make a second cup of coffee for you? I'm like, no, we've got my, if I believe in this, we got to win this. It's time to go, right? And Jenny's pretty passive. And Jennings does, you know. So sometimes my push wears on her and her easygoingness wears on me. So sometimes I'm not that lovable. but she keeps loving me.

And then those things hit, don't you find, like right now you're probably in the street. I'm guessing if you and I, I think, are a lot of the same. We're probably cut from the same cloth. And I'm guessing what's going through your head is, I remember the first day I laid eyes on her. Damn, she's a beautiful woman.

And those hands, when she holds my hand, like it's just like a feeling like you just can't, can't replace it. You know, and man. So now what I try to do, Sean, on that is, sometimes when I like laid in bed last night you know I'm like I got to try to trick my brain because you like you say you can get into auto mode you know where you just hit the cruise control and here's where we wake up here's who makes the coffee here's who makes the breakfast here's who

gets the kids ready here's who throws them in the car seat hey high five see you tonight you get home you know you coach game of hockey practice hockey you come home you one bass a kid one does this and you roll over good night you know talk to in the morning rinse and repeat rinse and And you can kind of fall into it. Sometimes I'm like, I've got to pretend that one of us could go in a car accident. And what if I lost my wife? And I could have this moment back right now. But I get to, I get to roll over and feel those legs.

And I get to give her a kiss. And I get to even if, I mean, I'm not leading down. We know what happens. Sometimes when you go down the road, that's, is this the wrong show to talk about that. Six kids. Six kids happen, right? No, but I mean, like, when she's in my arms and I can put my head in that place or when I come back from a trip, I try to trick my brain into thinking that we've been away.

You know, so exactly how you're feeling right now, trick your brain when she comes back to saying, remember how I missed her when she's away? I don't have to miss her. She's here right now. And all I have to do is roll over, give her a hug and give her a kiss and say, thank you for loving me at my best and my worst.

And so I'm with you. Like that fondness, distance makes the heart grow fond. You know, we're pretty fortunate. Pretty fortunate to have the wise we do. You know, like the shake of the dice could have came out way different. You know, you go back to the first episode we did. I talked about the three most impactful things that have happened in your life.

And I kind of, I say obviously meeting Mel, it was very impactful. And then I kind of glaze over getting married to her. But I listen to that. I'm like, I don't know. I think about some of the most in altering decisions I've made and meeting her and sticking with her and finding a way to get married to her was absolutely number one because it's funny when we go back to like when I was in college when I first started college I was a I was like maybe a C student I was unorganized I was skipping class

I was whatever started dating Mel and she like she just snapped me out of that she's like what are you doing and I went from being a C student to an A minus like like involved in everything and she just made me better. And I think that's what every relationship wants, right? You want somebody who makes you better. And she's like the best. And sometimes you, it's not that you forget that. It's that you become complacent of it. And it's just the rinse and repeat, right? Like, okay, tomorrow we got to do this and we got to get there and we got to get here. And we, you know, I laugh because another strong theme in our podcast, me and you, is that you always come in and say, you know, I'm just busy. It's like, well, no, We've come to terms of this.

You're a busy guy. I'm a busy guy. We like being busy. What comes with being busy, and I'm sure it comes with being just slow, you sit on the coach and you're, I don't know, you go over a friend's house,

whatever, is you become complacent, and it's just a natural progression. I'm sure it happens in every relationship. It's hard to be reminded every single day. And let's be honest. Even if you could, that would become complacent in itself.

They'd hear it so much that then they just like, yeah, I know. I know. Right. And so no matter what you do, there's going to be complacency in everything. You will have weak moments. Yes. You're human. That's right. Yeah. And so I just, now where I'm sitting, I'm just reminding myself, you know, that magic that started it all. It's just sitting there. It's in a little bag that you haven't opened up in probably three plus years, which sounds sad. But it's just when I look at it, I don't even beat myself up.

We had three kids in five years, right? It has been busy. I talk about being in the trenches of diapers and late nights. And there's no way, even if you could pull the magic bag out, it wouldn't be working. She'd be like, I'm tired. I'm going to bed. You're too exhausted to even pick up the bag. That's right.

And it just hit me like a ton of bricks. It's why I wanted to bring it out because you brought, you know, I've said it. You know, people, people, this happens every time she lives. Oh, you're batching it. Let's go party. How's the batch in life doing, right? Like, what are you doing tomorrow? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, the batch in life is coming left me.

I give two craps about it, right? Like, I miss my kids. You know, like Casey's turning, or Mila's turning four, I guess, here essentially in a week and a half. Yeah. And like, they're growing up apart from, and I don't get there to be experiencing. And a month doesn't seem like that much, but it knows little. kids, it's a ton. And it's just like, just sucks. But at the same time, what it's doing is it's

reminding me, oh yeah, when you do get there, you can, you can tap back into that energy and you should. And it's a good lesson. And it's not a bad lesson to have that distance experienced and to be like, oh yeah, that's why I married her. That's why I wanted to be a better father, a better husband, right? It's just reminding me. And you did that about five days ago when I you asked me how it was going, I said it, and you're like, oh, maybe it's a good thing, right? I've been thinking about that a lot for five days now. Cool. I'm glad. As you know, I'm an optimist. I try to be positive and build. And do you find, like when you were talking about your marks as a student, hey, do you kind of

look at it like, if you get stuck in your gear where you just wash, rinse, repeat in your, in your marriage, you know, like, if you, if you were getting a C plus, what would you rather? a C plus, but be together every day, or go without her for three, three weeks and come back in A minus. You know, and that's to me what it does is stressing and pressure and, you know, like putting some weight on you. It's like, honey, when you land, you're not getting A minus. It's not going to last. She's going to be an A plus, you know, but eventually we're going to scrap. And when you talk about marriage, you know, I don't know when it hit me, but Jenny and I've been married for 25 years this coming year.

And what I see now, I think, I'd have to. to talk to me who's 85 who can correct me. Anybody it's older than me who's more experience, more wisdom in this area. All I have is who I am right now. But what I see is the way, reason we've made it is because we never gave up on each other. And what I find is that there'll be periods in life where we're both on a high. We're both performing. We're both showing up. We're both doing our work. We're both life is going good. And those are some pretty easy, easy sailing days. And then there's times where I'm kind of the weak link, you know, and Jenny tugs me along she doesn't give up on me you know and sometimes it's a day sometimes a week sometimes it's

six months where it's like you should you should have maybe you should have kicked me to to the curb actually right but she didn't and when i look back same with her no there's she's human she has week days week weeks week months right and i and i'm just like you know it hit up we hit a point we're like i'm just not giving up on you you know and and and and so i tug it a bit more and sometimes she tugs it more and and then it's like it's okay to fail but but but recognize that And this is my interpretation of marriage. Don't give up. When you say Mel made you a better person, so is Jenny.

Jenny's usually very passive. You know, it's usually me saying, Jennifer, get back to school, finish your degree. You know, you've got to get your teacher certificate in. You've got to, you know, I'm usually the go-getter that kind of pushed along. Yesterday morning, I'm up at 7 o'clock. Like, you know, I just don't stop. And I'm up building frames for signs because I've got a list a mile long. She comes out.

And she's like, you've got to get going. like you're you I believe in this you believe in this you got to get moving like you're talking to a guy who doesn't sleep who's been up at seven o'clock the morning I'm going to list I won't stop to 11 o'clock tonight and my wife is saying get moving we believe in this this is what we have to do for our family for our community for our western way of life and so she's making me better and so like you say when when when I watch you and Mel it's I see that you're always like I'd love to get involved in politics I believe you can but I need to check with Mel and no no this her career needs to have some focus right now, and that's where it is. I'm going to support her.

And I've noticed her, like, I've always been impressed with how Mel reacts to you too. I'm kind of showing my thoughts on you a little bit. It's all positive, so that's good. You're a busy guy. You know, you're like me. You know, you're playing Hitman, you're organizing bike for breakfast. You do a podcast. You're working a full-time job. You're driving to other cities to interview cool people. I won't share who some of your exciting, upcoming guests are. But, you know, and she's like, if you want this, go get it. You know, like that's a big statement, really. Like for Mel, you know, you've got kids at home, right?

And she's saying, get after it. You know, get your mics, get on that road. If this is what you want, go get it. Don't half-ass this. Not many people say that. You know, I think that's, those are giving things for me to say, I want the best for my wife and she wants the best for me. And, you know, if you're not in that place, you know,

oh, Jenny and I, I'll speak of myself. I failed regularly and often. Have I always been hoping for the best for Jen? Have I always been this perfect? No, no. matter of fact once this week when I'm stressed you know you know she let me know I got out a line and I was and I do it regularly so she so forgive yourself we all have we all have our we all have our moments yeah and when Mel was pregnant or in early stages of having a small

child yeah I went through my moments like a rinse and repeat cycle and I talked after I'd come out of it. Yeah. And I would, you know, we'd talk about it. She's like, I just knew it was a, she's got to be a very patient woman. She's just like, I just, I just understood you're, you're working through some things and that's, and it's like very evident. I'm like, okay, because I feel like an ass, right? Yeah. Well, I appreciate you coming in. I mean, we're closing in on two hours, can't? Are we seriously? Yeah. I always do this. Sorry, Sean. No, no. What do you apologize? I don't know if listeners want to listen to my gab and. I don't know. At the end. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, I look at where you're going and everything else,

and I'm curious on where the next step is. I'm really hoping the next time you're on, it's either after a federal election, it's before the federal election, it's you, you know, elected, whatever it is, I'm sure the progression will continue to play out. Before I can let you out of here, we've got to do the crewmaster final five. I do these are coming, and I didn't prepare. Hey, listen, I try and keep it, I was like, you know what, Ken's been on here several times where I do these and they're pretty serious.

I'm going to, I don't know, maybe you'll find these serious, but I'm trying. Is one of them the book? No. Okay, cool. No, no, no.

I, I have tried going light. Very light, okay? My first one, maybe. What's the favorite thing about the place, you know, you're representing here? What's your favorite thing about this place you live? The answer is easy,

the people, and our culture. Like, when I roll into our, Olson's kitchen table and have a cooled beer with him and he just says you know Kenny this where we're at us is it's not good and we got to do something about this Ardell I hope he doesn't mind me talk about this it's open knowledge but you know this is a fellow that's missing his front teeth you know I've never seen with his boots tied up he runs a

grater and run some cattle and a farming operation and you know he's he's you The last few years haven't been the easiest for him and Lynn. You know, they've lost a daughter to cancer. You know, we're in a drought year this year. And I've never stopped in at his place without him saying, cracking a joke, some of them with some swear words in them, welcome us at his table and saying, and tomorrow morning I'm going to get up and I'm going to go back to work.

And he doesn't see it, but he never complains. He never says, my life sucks, my life is hard. It's not fair. It's just this, I'm just going to keep going. I'm just going to keep working. And I don't want a handout from the government. I don't need a hand out. You know, was it, was it shitty that I lost my daughter?

I can't see, yeah, I was. But boy, she was a beautiful girl, you know, and she had a rough go of it. You know, and but Lynn, he talks the same of Lynn. Like he's rough around the edges of the Yodai, but we're all from, I always say north of the river. I'm from just south of the river. But he loves his wife and he builds up his family and he shows up to the community. And he shows up to the community events and he donates money and he works hard. Like, how old would our doll be?

He's got to be, he'd be late 60s. He might even be 70, you know? And that- Dad's 65, so he's got to be right around 65. He's a little bit younger than my dad. My dad's 72. He was friends with my dad. So maybe, let's say, 65 to 72.

Yeah. I know he's not 72, but, but to me, that's who we are. Like, we're, I just love, I love our area. Like, honestly, like, I went to the chuck wagons. the other night, Chuck Wagon races. And you sit in the stands and it's young and old, tall short.

I would say, like, I was kind of surprised. I'd say at least half the wagons were from First Nations communities. And people were cheering for either wagon. You know, it's just the, we've got a cool thing going here. Like, it's like, we're tough. We work hard. We don't complain.

We don't need a hand out. just get over away. Let's let's do it. You know, when the community's hurting, you know, like $300,000 gets raised in a tough year and giving to kids to feed the in school programs. So I'm going too long. We're already two over two hours. But that's it. The culture, the people, the, the incredible kindness and the incredible strength that comes with who we are. We can survive 45 below winters. You know, it wasn't that long ago that, you know, First Nations were in TPs and the settlers

were coming with logs and packing some claim between the logs and figuring out a way to make a go of it. That's, I'm proud of where I come from. Well, here, we'll flip that on and say, if you could go anywhere in the world and live there for a year, where would you go? It has to, can't be Canada? Can't be Canada. You've traveled a lot. I have traveled a lot. I have traveled a lot. That's, to go out to see my favorite place I've been, and I'd love to go hang out there for years, a long time. I love my, I love my home. Has to be a year? It has to be a year.

It has to be a year. Okay, has to be a year. Okay, so a little place called Progresso or Chalem or Chichalube. Those are the three neighboring communities on the tip of Mexico. It's close to the Belize border. Chicholub is a giant crater that they think killed the dinosaurs? Killed dinosaurs and plant life. This crater, it was found by geologists, I think, in the 80s or the 90s, looking for oil.

believe. They found this crater and it's something like, I don't know, I don't remember. Somebody could look it up, I'm going to be wrong, but it's like, yeah, it's driving. It's 150 miles in diameter or something like that. They talked about the explosive power of it being 10,000 times all the nuclear weapons at the US and USA and USSR had at the peak of the cold worry. Exploded wall at the same time. This crater had 10,000 times the explosive power of that. Anyways, down there is just, it's just a cool vibe. It's like you're on the ocean. It's safe. It's in a Yucatan, and it's close to a city called Merida. And I think Merida is the fourth safest city in North America.

So people think Mexico's cartels and drug trade and, you know, it's not like that at all there. It's just the people were friendly. You know, it felt like Hillmonde or Paradise Hill or Kid Scotty, you know, except on the ocean. And so I'd love to live there for a year. Yeah, I think it'd be cool. What's the most surreal place you've ever been? Because I'm not an English specialist, surreal. Can we define surreal?

I believe I know what it is, but I would like to define it first. I'll give you that. Absolutely. This is Kenny being a nerd, I know, but it's, it's a... Having the qualities... That's a terrible definition. It said having the qualities of surrealism, bizarre. But I had it as unreal.

That's what I, like, surreal. Like, like... Unreal. You walk in and it's just... just, I don't know, beautiful or, you know, I can imagine the, going to India and seeing the amount of people. Yeah. And that being sort of like, wow, this is, this is.

I'm going to give you two. So I was hoping it wasn't going to be negative. No, I've been shocked, you know, traveling. There's been some gruesome things that I've seen. But I'd say there's two, Sean, beautiful little country on the southeast of Africa called Mauritius. They called the Pearl. of Africa, a tiny little island. It's multicultural, multilingual, lots of religions, different, different colors of people

there, and it's extremely safe, well-educated. If you went to university or you have a doctor, is a good chance, you know, asking where they're from, there's a good chance you've had one of them from Mauritius. Only, I think it's a million people. I could be owed, but it's just, it's clean. I didn't see it so much as a gun wrapper on the beach. And most peaches, I've been on the world, if it's near a city, it has sky creepers, skyscrapers to the sky and if you've got a net worth of a million dollars or more you get to live

on the ocean front and all the poor people got to walk down to the ocean during the day there's none of that it was just like little cabins like at fishing lake and bright sand and not the expensive cabins just normal houses and I'd look down the beach there'd be like two people right and there'd be a couple people fishing and so mercious that was that was one of those moments we're like this is beautiful I have to get my wife to mercius once in our life my wife and I need to sit on this beach it's such a long travel But it was beautiful. And the other one would be sitting at the top of the Canadian Rockies when I'm skiing with my family. Sometimes I'll just take a moment.

Usually me and my one boy do the double blocks together. Sometimes you get sick of skiing with me. Someday I'll get old shot. And sometimes I'll go skiing by myself and I'll just park my skis in the snowbank and I'll just go where there is nobody and I'll sit in the trees and I'll stare at the sun and look over the peaks of the Canadian Rockies and I'll just say, I believe in God. And I'll be like, yeah, man, can you get closer than this?

It's just clean air and trees and untouched nature and the sky and my family. So those would be the two, Marius and the top of the Canadian Rockies. What's your favorite, you know, if you get elected, you're going to be doing a lot of traveling. What's your favorite spot on the plane? I, uh, who, 24 hour flight or three hour flight? 24 hour flight, you take the aisle because you can get up stretch, walk the legs. You don't have to wake up the four people in between you and the aisle, so you could, you take aisle on a 24-hour flight. fly. They're not 24, but let's say 17 hour flight. Three hours, easy. Oh, you're talking safety. Like,

are you doing? No, no, no. I'm just saying your favorite spot. Window. Window on short trips. No, no wing to the blocks your view. I don't really care where it's at. And follow up then. Are you the first guy on the plane or are you a guy who likes to be one of the last? I'm, I like to be one of the last. I hate standing in lines. I'm always like, I'm going to go grab another, I'm going to grab a newspaper, grab a thing. I'm going to sit here and read until they call my, and I'll be the last. I don't believe in being the first in line and getting off as well. You know, when you're on a plane and the plane comes to stop and they put on the light so you can undo your seatbelts.

I never got it. There's people that jump up, grab their suitcases, try to stand there, and then they block everybody from getting on. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, you just blocked the little old lady and the lady with the two kids and the newborn, and you're not going to let them off first. You're just got to get off that 32 seconds faster than if you just sat and let the others off first. So I'm usually one of the last ones. This is probably an easy one, but we'll throw it out you anyway.

Who's your favorite person to travel with? Depends where, it depends temperature. I know I'm always a depends guy. I've taken my wife hot places before she came with me to Thailand. She's got the dark skin. You know, my wife is, and I'm this, I tan up when I've been in the sun. I like heat. I can take heat.

My wife is miserable on heat. So there was times in Thailand where I'm like, you just need to stay in the AC room and I'm going to go out and see some things today. because this isn't working the two of us in the heat, right? But I would say my wife, I love sharing experience, was there? But I love traveling with friends and family. It's always experience. Like, Alan came with me to Vietnam.

We got stuck in China, did the Great Wall in China, and he was fun. My daughter, Tori came with me to, where did Tori come with me to? Ali came with me to Brazil. Tori went with me to Greece and Italy. Tori and I are similar. My daughter, Tori, she likes to run 100 miles an hour, and she's a go get her when I'm like, let's get up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Let's go see the magnet where the magnet Carter was signed in England.

She's up at 515. She beats me to the shower. So I don't know. I mean, I suppose the right answer is probably my wife, you know, but I just different experiences with close friends and family. I'd love to go somewhere with you. You know, I just, it's traveling is like one of those things. It's a stressor. It's weird.

You're tired. You're in a weird country. You sit on a restaurant. You can't read anything on the menu. And you ask the person, what do you have? And you don't understand a word they say. So you just point at something. at the menu and you laugh at each other as you're eating something you don't know what it is

but you take a picture of it right so i i just think friends and family people are a special to you i like traveling with anybody that's close friend or family well thanks for coming in doing this shawne thanks for having me i'm sorry we got to two hours i shouldn't and you're going to say don't apologize shone you're a good friend you're doing good things and keep doing it i thank you for having me on um look for and say where are we in the end of this run and uh thanks for being you well thanks again kem yeah you too shawney hey poli hey polo Thanks for joining us today. If you just stumbled on the show, please click subscribe.

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