Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. 192 - Dr. Roger Hodkinson

Episode Date: August 9, 2021

Doctor, pathologist, professor & decorated medical professional we talk COVID-19, lockdowns, vaccines & everything else. Buckle up. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK, became a Royal College certified pathologist in Canada following a residency in Vancouver. He's been a general practitioner in the UK in Canada, pathologist with medical examiner's office in Emmington, an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine at the University of Alberta, president of the Alberta Society of Laboratory Physicians, chairman of a Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons Committee in Ottawa, and for the past 20 years, he's been a CEO and a medical director.

I'm talking about Dr. Roger Hockinson. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Dr. Roger Hotskinson pathologist, and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Dr. Roger Hockinson. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. It's a pleasure to get out of town.

It's peaceful driving away from emails and the phone, which I must turn off. Well, you're a busy guy. Even before we sit down here, you're accepting phone calls, you're dealing with people, trying to get a hold of you. This last, I wouldn't say a year and a half by any stretch, I would say probably, what are we at? we're at August. So eight months to maybe a year, something like that, I guess, has to have flipped your career on its head. Like this is, or maybe this is, I don't know, maybe you could speak to that because I think, well, actually, before we do that, let's back this up a second. Let's start with your credibility. You got to start with credibility.

It's funny the way the world works right now. Everybody's worried about misinformation, that type thing. Maybe you can give my listeners just a little bit of backstory on yourself and then we'll get into how this last year has played out for you. Yeah, sure. Started off with my medical degrees from Cambridge in Britain, trained in pathology in Canada. I've taken leadership roles in many capacities over the last 30, 40 years. I've been president of the provincial association of pathologists. I've been the chairman of a subcommittee of the Royal College setting the annual examination for pathology. I've been the CEO of a large industrial scale, outpatient laboratory, which the general public never sees. Pathology, you might say, pathologists are the doctor's

doctor. We're the guys behind the scenes that give them all the answers. In addition to that, I'm currently the chairman of an American biotechnology company out of North Carolina. I'm running another company that's unrelated to that. You're busy. In medicine. They all got a medical theme. But I'm most proud of something totally different. I was honorary chairman of action on smoking and health for a couple of decades,

which was the predominant non-governmental organization taking on the tobacco industry with all its predatory marketing. children, probably saved more lives doing that than I ever did as a work-a-day pathologist. So, yeah, that's me in a nutshell. You're not a man afraid to stand up. I mean, big tobacco was a juggernaut. One thing I want to get you to just maybe bring down to the layman as you stare at me with no teeth and all my listeners know that, pathology, as you rattle off everything,

I'm like, oh, man, that's impressive. but maybe you can break down pathology for the listener and just kind of explain a little bit more what it is so it can show the significance of that. Yes, we relate to all specialities and general practitioners. We do two principal things. We're the guys that test the samples that you produce, the blood samples, the urine samples, and so on, giving all the results that end up on your doctor's desk the next morning. behind every single one of those reports there's someone like me that's got their career on the line

to the accuracy, dependability, reliability of that information to manage your particular clinical situation. You never see us. Some people think we do autopsies all day long. Very few autopsies are done now outside of a forensic setting. It's sad because that's a quality control step on what's happening with hospital deaths to make sure that there's no mistakes being made. But we do very few autopsies now. What we do do in front of a microscope is do a lot of biopsy assessments, breast biopsis, for example, a lump here. We confirm the diagnosis.

We guide the surgeons as to whether or not it's spread what the potential treatment could be to follow through. we do a lot of molecular diagnostics now DNA tests on various tissues to try and customize the treatment for this particular malignancy that you have with certain genetic mutations that have specific drugs for them. We have to identify those mutations in order to give that information to the oncologist treating the patient. So you might say the backroom guys, you never see us, you don't meet us. but we're cranking out the information that all doctors are using every day. Before we hop then to why or what's changed in this last year for you, because it must be evident to you. I feel like a guy who's analyzing all the data.

Why the switch? I assume there's a rationale for getting rid of autopsies. Why aren't you doing, if that was such a big part of what you used to, why did they change that? It wasn't pathologists. It was the bean counters that. decided it was not cost effective. Simple as that. Everything that's unnecessary in medicine, in the view of administrators and bureaucrats, is now being cut out of the system. A lot of what is being cut out in my particular field is, in our opinion, quite essential. Autopsies are a very

important part of quality control in medicine to understand really what happened as the cause of death. Families often want to know. There are very few autopsies being done, for example, right now with COVID deaths. That's a tragedy because we need to know the pathology of this condition. We need to examine all the tissues. We need to be better educated. But we particularly need to do autopsies on people who have died post-vaccination. That is absolutely critical to understand the way in which people die, understand what's going wrong with these vaccines, that's not happening.

They're actually being discouraged by hospitals, which is where the autopsies normally take place. Now, why? You probably can't answer this. But why would you discourage that? Why would you discourage looking into a death? I get the money part of it on... We don't want to know.

We don't want to know. Government does not want to know what is happening. They're trying to discourage the reporting system of adverse events, quite apart from death. The Canadian adverse event reporting system is now toast. It was never much to speak of in the first place, but it's actually been dismantled. They don't want to know because by knowing makes them more culpable for what is going on that they know is wrong and they can't stop doing it for all kinds of political reasons. They don't want to know. They're claiming that ignorance is going to be part of their defense when the truth of this entire mad episode in human history is written.

They want to try and escape blame. But that's not going to happen. There are so many deeply culpable people in this mess that's going on right now. And the top of the pile is five-finger Fauci, that the most vile man living, personally responsible for millions of deaths, not only because of the escape of this virus from the lab where he personally wanted the research done, but because of intentionally preventing treatment that could have

saved hundreds of thousands of lives, had doctors been allowed to use ibemectin and hydrochloroquine as per the protocols of Dr. McCullough and Dr. Zelenko. You're visibly upset about this. Now, I'm furious. That's an understatement. This is the maddest episode I've ever seen in my career, or I think is documented in medical history. It's at that scale. We're talking here about. something that's no worse than a bad seasonal flu with certain nuances for older people with comorbidators. We can cover that. But for the average person, this is less severe than an average flu season. Fewer people are dying. Fewer of the working well in children are dying now of

COVID than ever did with the flu. And for that, we've inflicted this on the entire world with these monstrous interventions, lockdowns, schools being closed, surgeries cancelled. It's become a one-disease healthcare system internationally, with everything else ignored. And in the process, the national debt is zoomed to astronomical levels, which our children are going to have to repay. Our children are the victims of this, not only because of the vaccine programs that are targeting them and all the potential complications of that with potential fertility issues that are still still not studies. But they've been subjected to a year of psychological abuse. They've been denied non-verbal communication. Toddlers have not been seeing smiles. And that's okay? I don't

think so. They're going to be repaying the national debt, translation, fewer services, police, health care, education, or a devalued dollar, which means a reduced standard of living. Our children are going to be suffering from this for the rest of their lives in one way or another, multiple ways. And that is so disgusting for something as trivial in the grand scheme of things, something as trivial as this, it's beyond outrageous. It's the most grotesque time in human history, given how this has been manipulated for something so trivial to something so grotesque with people being killed by the hundreds of thousands because of it.

You know, I was just, I've been having these discussions with different people who are on the complete opposite side of that. They, uh, they look at people who basically look at the vaccine like you are, like we are. I'm, you know, I'm at a, at a, keep it at a, a, a, a, a, a, distance, so to speak, they look at it like people need to follow the government's lead and just get it. And, you know, the one, the last example I had is once upon a time seatbelts were in cars. And everybody fought that back in the day. And now seatbelts are in cars. And if you just went and got the vaccine, we'd all get back to life as normal and carry on. And those kids would be able to see smiles. And schools would open back up. And life will go on. And life will go on.

back to normal. And you will have shown that you can be pushed into anything at any time if the fear is cranked up enough and if there's no no counter-narrative. People are only following that those demands that that extortion, that that absurd coercion is the word I'm looking for. People are only doing that for two reasons. They'd be made fearful because of that graph in the morning paper with cases, which are no such thing, they are not cases at all. They are merely false positive results, 95% of them, and speaking as a pathologist now. It's utter nonsense to test totally well people with a lousy test with the known 95% false positive rate. That drives fear, the graph in the morning paper, and that fear is manipulated by the politicians by one other

intentional, highly coordinated, sophisticated and successful, program of censoring every conceivable source of information that's counter-narrative. And I'm talking about politicians, I'm talking about the media, and in particular physicians who are petrified of their colleges for standing up and saying anything. The snitch line is open. If a physician believes that vaccine should not be given to anybody and he tells someone that, he'll have a visit the next morning from the Health Services Department. of the ministry. To shut up. Simple as that. Shut up. We're watching you. Continue and you might

lose your income. Doctors are being forced into a binary decision across the entire world, not just in Canada. The binary decision is this. Is it ethics or money? You choose. Make it an ethical issue, you'll lose your income. Make it a money issue and swear that the earth is flat, then you can continue with your livelihood. That's what's going on. It's sinister and it's everywhere. And it's been incredibly effective. So the average person has no knowledge of the counter-narrative, which is based on facts, as opposed to the hearsay, the arbitrary measures that they're introducing have no factual basis whatsoever. And I summarize that by saying simply, nothing works that they're doing.

Nothing works. Masks don't work. Social distancing doesn't work. Travel bans don't work. Lockdowns certainly don't work. And the vaccines don't work. The much hyped success of the vaccine that was introduced, 98% successful, etc., etc. That's absolute baloney.

It does very little to protect you. But what it certainly does, is exposure to huge risk. In the United States right now, the deaths attributed to the vaccine are more than all the deaths are due to vaccinations over 30 years. And that number of 10,000 thereabouts,

it changes by the day with CDC manipulating the numbers. That number is probably understated. There's probably 10 times that amount out there, judging from studies of previous vaccination programs when we know the reporting rate of adverse events. There's carnage out there. I can tell you this, there are previous vaccination programs that have been attempted that have been shut down

because of 25 deaths. 25 in the States. Shut down. We've now got over 10,000, and that's understated. And it's still going on. Not only that, but they're injecting this stuff into pregnant women. as we speak with no safety studies on pregnant women whatsoever. Can you understand how serious this is? This is absolutely crazy. It's beyond comprehension medically. It's politics playing medicine,

and they're just lying to everyone about everything. It's a pack of lies. There isn't a single reliable statistic that anyone can use because they don't want to assemble it. The Ministry of Health in Alberta has been asked for the reason why they're doing all these things. And in court, they said, we don't have the information. I'm sorry, you've been doing this for a whole year? You've been killing people left and right? And you say you don't know why you're doing it? I don't have the information.

Subtext, there is no information. They don't want to know. That's the travesty of what's going on right now. It's a slaughter of society, a slaughter of business. For what reason? As I said, nothing more than a bad seasonal flu. And how did we handle that in previous years in a time I call BC before COVID? We all handled it perfectly well, didn't we? Yes, it's common sense.

We didn't need government involved, no testing, no nothing, no lockdowns. Common sense, pulled us through. The risk of life. The roulette game. You may get it, you may not. Just like driving to work in the morning and a head-on collision. The risks of life we accept. Government wants to take all those risks out of life and be our savior from everything.

Well, it can't be, and we've got to put our foot down. Because this is not just COVID. This is an assault on our humanity, on our freedom. and it's simply got to stop. Are you seeing more people stand up now? You've been doing, you've been, I've listened to you, I don't know, you can tell me better. We started off this by over the last year, how you know, you have an idea for your career or where it's going and then the last year's happened. Like it just, it just has.

I don't know, I've never met you before, Roger. You're an awfully passionate guy. In saying that, I understand. what you're getting at and to the listener who's just listening as you're talking i hope they're getting some of the information that you're you're talking about because you're seeing it firsthand over the last year are you seeing a change are you seeing more doctors that i was saying this um over the past month that i find now six months ago not so much maybe little trickles here and there but in the last six uh sorry in the last month there is a ton of dogs

doctor starting to speak. If you want the information, all you got to do is go find it. Like, it's just literally sitting there everywhere. All different shapes and walks of life, extremely credentialed people standing up and saying that, like, this isn't, this isn't right. Like, I was just listening to Malone about them and our A vaccine. Geez, I butcher all these things. But, like, that's a guy who invented the bloody thing and he's talking about it. And, you know, you just got to go online and I've had Andrew one of the doctors, Leibnberg from Vermilion on before you and he talked about it, right? Well, the censorship coming down and you're talking about just how much pressure doctors

are facing, whether it's ethics or money and it's very black and white. And if you do speak up, you know, all we've got to do is look to Francis Christian Christian in Saskatoon who talked to, you know, the big thing I said to Andrew at the time was, you know, the big thing it stuck out was he said COVID does not pose a threat to our kids the risk of them dying of COVID is less than 0.003%. This is even less than the risk of them dying from the flu. There's no emergency in children. And he was let go from his position. Or you have Dr. Charles Hoff in British Columbia. This is one that I don't know if I've brought up to listeners or not. But he said after administering the modernist shot to community members, he believes the vaccine is quite

clearly more dangerous than COVID-19. And he was relieved of duties. And you just start hearing more and more of these. And so now I always say to the listener, like, if you want the information, there was a group again last night that had you in, for kids' sake, at Kid Scotty Hall, they're continuing to put out events and hopefully bring more people like yourself in and get this information out there. But if they're wanting to, there's more and more and more doctors than ever standing up and speaking out. Are you starting to see a change or are you just kind of kind of seeing more of the same. No, I'm not seeing loads of doctors standing up at all.

There's about half a dozen doctors that I'm aware of in Canada who stood up and been counted and being crucified for it. But I'm not seeing thousands of them at all. They're standing by. They're silent. And they're culpable. They are personally responsible for part of this problem and the deaths that are occurring because they are not standing up.

If doctors across this country all stood up and said what they know is happening, this madness would stop immediately. Physicians are scared stiff of their colleges taking away their income. It's as simple as that. And it's not happening by the thousands. No, it's not. I didn't mean to imply it was happening by the thousands. I just meant to imply I see it happening more and more,

that more doctors are standing up. A trickle. Yeah, a trickle. That's it. But isn't that how it starts? A trickle. We hope so. But it's nowhere close to the indignation and the outrage that the profession should be saying.

Look, this is what's really happening in terms of the intimidation of the colleges. Let's talk real turkey here. Sure. All right. Why do colleges exist? Colleges of physicians and surgeons. They give you a license. It's now called a permit, by the way.

We know better than plumbers. Okay, we've got this thing that allows us to practice. They are supposed to be protecting you from us. They're supposed to be making sure we're not pedophiles, we're not cutting off the wrong leg, etc., etc. And in that regard, monitoring the quality of the profession, making sure terrible things are not happening, they do a good job. Somewhat slow, rather bureaucratic,

but that's a job that they've been accomplishing over the years. Right. That's changed. Instead of now protecting the public good, they have become the enforcer of government policy. If you see something terrible happening in medicine, you're supposed to demand answers, just like they're demanding answers from these doctors who are standing up.

Why aren't they banging the table themselves, at the ministry themselves, demanding of the ministers, why are you doing this? What is the evidence for what you are doing? Because in our opinion, it's killing people. Instead of doing that, they're saluting in government's general direction and censoring doctors viciously,

if they dare to stand up and speak. So it's like everything else in this mad episode, it's Orwellian, it's upside down. It's the exact opposite of what it should be. The colleges are not protecting the public good anymore. No. The colleges are complicit in the carnage that's happening. That's how bad it is. So you're speaking up.

I assume you've had, well, I assume you've been personally attacked just like everybody else. It must not be the easiest spot to sit in that chair, talking like you do. I mean, you're, I already said it, you're a very passionate man about this. You can tell that I don't mean to make light of it. I just don't have the credentials to back me and the life experience that you have in the area that it's, you know, in the area that it's going after. I see that. I can hear that.

I can feel that. I've had a long career that I'm intensely proud of. I've been part of evidence-based medicine my entire life. I've been a foot soldier for the College of Physicians and Surgeons during laboratory inspections. I've been chairman of the examination board for the Royal College in Ottawa, making sure that the residents coming out of the tube are safe to practice pathology. I've kept my nose clean. I've done everything that was expected of me as a physician. But there's a red line that's being crossed right now, and I cannot stand by. When I go toes up, I want to think that I've been on the

right side of history on this one because it is so grotesquely wrong. What can people do to help? What can people do? I mean, what can I, I like to think, Roger, by having you here, sitting on here, letting people listen to this, hear you talk, expand your voice that I'm doing some part, trying to do what I can, right? Very much. And it's much appreciated. Alternative media like yours is just pretty well. well, the only way to get a message out. Politicians are not standing up. The media is complicit.

The prime ministers bribed them into silence by shoveling bucketfuls of money down their throats. Physicians have been silenced. Podcasts like this, rallies, demonstrations, are the only way that information is getting out. That's why your role is so important. And see, let me think about this. Like rallies seem extreme to me.

I don't mean that in a good or bad way. Maybe just the way I was brought up. I have no idea. Just like a rally seems extreme. I try and hopefully, I don't know if my audience or you'll agree with this. I try and like normalize it. Like get it into a space where people can drive in their vehicle, flick it on.

And go, huh, this is an interesting conversation that's hopefully helping expand something and give them something to look into and do some. Because to me, when you have a population that's so divided on this, now, part of that is because Let me stop here. There's no compromise here. There's no appeasement. I don't mean appeasement, Roger. This is, look, people are being killed as we speak.

Children are being vaccinated with no knowledge. of long-term complications. This is not a time to finesse arguments. It's not a time to hide. It's a time to stand up and say this has to stop now. There's no prisoners being taken in this war. It's total war. They think they've got all the cards, but they're starting to crumble. And when that truth is known, reputations will be slaughtered. You cannot suppress the truth forever. You can think you can control the newspapers, the tell. television, the social media. But let me tell you something, Martin Luther discovered many years ago,

you cannot control the printing press. Books are being written as we speak about the litany of lies that's gone on from start to finish. Unfortunately, when that truth comes out, one of the reputations that will be slaughtered will be that of physicians who stood by and said nothing because they put themselves before society. medicine is about the opposite. Real medicine is about putting society before yourself. You get up at 3 o'clock in the morning.

You open up a belly and it's full of shit. That's what real medicine is all about. Not looking after yourself, looking after society first. That's been lost. You talk about finessing an argument, and that's maybe the way I was going to put it. I got a little bit of a smile on my face here. I guess maybe what you're saying is it's time.

You've got to stop worrying about how you're trying to convince the others. The longer this goes on, the more pressure, because as an unvaccinated guy, the amount of pressure get put on daily is gone up a notch. And then another notch. And then another notch. I was just sitting talking to another guy who's, well, I know of two parents who have daughters going to university. And we've all seen what universities are doing. and pushing for all kids if they're going to be on campus

or playing sports, heaven forbid, that they're vaccinated and that they are up to... But the faculty doesn't have to have it. Really? Oh, yes, huge discrimination. The faculty being given discretion, at least in many universities. I can't speak to the University of Alberta or the local universities, but that's widespread. It's the students who are being coerced into a choice.

You know, if you want to come back, if you want your education, you've got to put your life on the line. Simple as that. What an obscene choice students are being forced to make. What an obscene choice. Why? They're not dying. They're not dying of this. They're dying of it at a lower number than the flu, for God's sake. And they're being forced to put their careers and lives on the line for that reason? Not only is the vaccine not needed, but the vaccine is bloody dangerous. People have to understand that a vaccine normally goes through a five to seven year period of clinical trials because we don't know what we don't know.

That's precisely why clinical trials are done. If we knew what the consequences were, we wouldn't do the clinical trial. These clinical trials are prolonged for a very good reason because strange complications come out of the woodwork. right now that clinical trial is an experiment the biggest medical experiment ever undertaken billions literally billions of people are part of the biggest medical experiment that's ever happened for no good reason this never was a public health emergency in the first place the very start of this process has to be clearly understood simply because it was declared a public health emergency

gave them the latitude to introduce things such as a warp speed experimental vaccine. If it had not been declared a public health emergency, there would be no predicate for that rushed vaccine to come to market. It never was a public health emergency. Never in a month of Sundays was it a public health emergency, and it certainly isn't now. Well, and you talk about Ivermectin, things like that. If any of those are deemed as a possible, well, I mean, there's been enough

studies and trials done on it now for Pete's sake. If it was deemed that it was effective, then they got to pull the emergency use away and all of a sudden the vaccine disappears too. And to me that, once I read that, I was like, wow, like that's, no wonder they're suppressing it. Like we're seeing a gross use of censorship on everything. They can't have it both ways and they want it both ways. Let me explain. Yeah, please do. If you're saying it's a public health emergency, which it's not, but let's accept that for a moment as fact. If it is a public health emergency, then individual physicians looking at a person in front of them who's seriously ill should not be constrained from using agents that are known to be safe and which probably have great effect.

when people are dying in front of you, you don't stop and say, I want a randomized clinical control trial. You don't do that. You use medical wisdom, your education, to balance the risks of what you're proposing against what you see in front of you. Right now, someone in front of you. If you go to a hospital today with something that could be COVID because the symptoms mix, and you have a PCR test that's positive. And let's assume that really confirms that you've got COVID, but it could just be a cross-reaction,

you might just have the flu. But let's assume that it is COVID. What do they do? Principally, the deciding factor is what your oxygen level is. If it's not low enough, you're not sick enough to be admitted. They tell you to go home. Subtext. Come back when you're blue.

They don't say go home with this little package of pills that might save your life if you get worse. No, they don't do that because that's prohibited, specifically prohibited. Doctors are being prohibited from using drugs that they would otherwise have been able to prescribe specifically for COVID. Why on earth would they do that? Why would the colleges do that? Why would they push doctors into that? Maybe you should ask the college. It's insane, isn't it?

Yeah, but here's what I'll say about this entire process since the very beginning. I don't need to use any names by any stretch, but I've reached out to the highest authorities in Saskatchewan. Nobody wanted to talk. And if they were allowed to talk, certain softballs, you can ask us these four questions, whatever it is. I'm like, well, they're all afraid of their pensions, period. Period. Black and white. That's it.

Don't veer from the party. otherwise you're out and with that goes your pension have i got your attention yeah you're certainly gone i i i have a hard time understanding why more doctors aren't stepping up that like i mean their incomes are at stake so all of them look don't you think maybe i'm wrong i sorry roger I don't know if you're laughing at me, laughing with me. As soon as you stand up, boom, it's gone. And as a doctor, you've got no options. That's it.

I'm just trying to understand as a civilian. It's the star chamber. It's a medieval court. If you want to challenge them, it will bankrupt you. Wouldn't it be much easier to say the earth is flat? I don't know. It goes always, you met my brother, Dustin. We always have this argument about the matrix.

Have you seen the movie The Matrix, right? No. Oh, okay. Well, the Matrix is this, I'll try and hopefully I can do this. So the Matrix is you're in a system and feels like the real world, everything looks real and except it's not. And then once you're pulled out of the Matrix, you realize how awful the world is. And for some, they want to go back into what's just nice and pleasant and easy and whatever. That's a very abbreviated version of the Matrix.

But that's essentially the idea. There's the real world, which is not a great place to live, but you're free. And then inside the Matrix, you don't realize you're not free, but you have all the necessities of the world and you're safe and whatever else. Right. That's kind of what you're saying then. Absolutely. The mess that we're in right now, this COVID mess,

if you wanted to put your finger on it, other than the fact that Fauci's gain of function research has, and gain of function, by the way, is still going on in Canada in Winnipeg as we speak. They're still doing it? In a lab right in the middle of Winnipeg. And I can tell you with categorical certainty, no lab anywhere internationally

is 100.000000% safe. None. Not just the Wuhan lab, but any lab. Because it has a thing called people working in it. And they put that lab slap bag in the, bang in the middle of Winnipeg. That wasn't the most stupid thing to do. But anyway, that's another story.

Why, sticking with gain of function for a second, why would, I just feel like that's a really bad idea, or am I wrong on that? You know, lay people like you get it. It's obviously a bad idea. I don't care how much you dress it up saying that we want to make this virus more infectious, more virulent, more dangerous, so we can study it so that we can make treatment more effective, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That is the most dangerous future for humanity I could possibly think of. This isn't rocket science.

Anyone can do it, essentially. North Korea could do it. Iran could do it. Some loony tune in any country could do it. And create something that makes this look like a walk in the park. that is much worse for humanity than nuclear weapons or climate change if that was ever to happen. Much worse than anything

is the true Armageddon scenario making the black death look like at some trivial event. That's still going on internationally and most existential threat to humanity. It should... Messing around with viruses. It should stop

everywhere immediately. But you can't stop the Chinese, can you? You can't stop the North Koreans. You can't stop the Iranians. Oh, heck, you can't stop the Canadians sitting in Winnipeg. It's going on as we speak internationally. That is one of the biggest lessons that comes out of COVID, is that this is essentially trivial

compared with what could happen next time. I hope people understand the gravity of this. I'm not messing around when I'm not, I'm saying this. I'm saying this is a huge wake-up cult. I guess I completely get... You sitting across from me is intense, and I assume you're meaning to be intense.

I don't think you're taking this trivially, lightly, whatever word we want to put. I see the intensity in your eyes, good sir. And it's something that... Well, it's definitely... I'm going to have to go back and listen to everything you've said just like my listeners,

because there's been a lot that has just been impacted. I don't want to stop us right now. I just, I think people, if they're driving around and they're listening to them, they're going, hold on me, Dinah, like stop the car and let's go do something. Exactly. That's what I hope will result from these kinds of comments on podcasts to let people know that their gut feeling is dead right. This stinks.

The gut feeling. is right, but they've got no way of confirming that, because counter-narrative has been resolutely and brutally efficiently suppressed. Well, I wanted, I wasn't sure if I was going to get you fired up right off the hop, and so I was like, I wonder if I can find a couple of things off of media that can stir some things up. I didn't need it, but one of the things that, I use the word confusion, because you know, I just go back to myself.

You know, I go, I don't know, a year ago before the vaccine was ever started, I don't know, the last year and a half, Roger, as you can imagine, it's extended, like it feels like it's been a lifetime, but at the same time it feels like it's been really short too. It's a weird world we've been living in, obviously. But some of the things, you know, anywhere a person turns, they hear things like this, you know.

This is, I'm picking on British Columbia, and actually First Nations Health Authority there, say they become aware of some doctors are sharing false anti-vaccine anti-mask ideas as well promoting treatments for COVID-19 that are not supported by scientific research. And what I've found very peculiar I'm going to use is eight months ago, a year ago,

I had so many people, and maybe this is why you say you've got to stop trying to, like, dance this and have a nice conversation and pull people back over. because a year ago, more people were interested in what you were saying, in my opinion. Now, there's people really interested in it, but they're becoming less and less, because as you get vaccinated, you don't care anymore. You're just like, life's going to go back to normal.

And I keep saying, I hope you're right, but I feel like we're going to have another lockdown this fall. I feel like it's going to go, it's going to get worse before it gets better. and I think people are just kind of living in the summer of like bliss of like this is awesome we're all back we can travel now it's great there's nothing going wrong and maybe what you're slamming into me is it's time to not be such a dance round and try and be persuasive about it I'm an immigrant so I can observe things from the outside sure there's a Canadian disease unique to Canada

is called the terminal nice syndrome you think we're too nice do I think you're too nice we're too nice it's a one it was a wonderful characteristic

of Canada I'd love this country when I came in 1970 but it's changed dramatically but the Canadians are still too nice

you don't object you go with flow. Change happens in Canada by evolution as opposed to down in the States where it's by revolution. But there's got to come a time when Canadians have got to stand up. The very essence of democracy is being undermined bit by bit by bit. And one fine day, you'll wake up when it's too late. When you're the target instead of everyone else. Let me tell you something. In Germany, there have been 10 police raids on homes of people like me

who've done nothing except saying what I'm saying now. Police raids on their home. And that includes two judges who had police raids on their home. Does that get your attention? The power of the state invading your space? just because you're objecting to something that they're doing? It gets my attention. But I said this, well, bringing along on my journey, right?

Once again, I'm a nice Canadian, I guess. I don't know. I said, I thought Francis Christian would wake some people up. I thought Andrew Liebenberg speaking from very near here, right, on here, would wake people up. but there's been such a it's been such a long year you know i say a long year like people are you know all of a sudden snap the fingers and life goes back to the way it was but when you you know when you talk about germany the united states manitoba ontario

to most people yeah it's over there and it's not here i remember saying honest to god i said there was a kid arrested in in calgary ocean and I'm forgetting his last name, which is terrible wise blad, I think, for skating on an outdoor pond. And I remember that week saying to guys at work, guys, just relax. It's not going to be that big a deal.

They're just saying whatever. Nobody's going to be crazy enough to rest somebody on a pond. And I had to eat my words. Like, I ate them hard because I saw that and I went, huh, but still part of me was like, he's being a little disagreeable, right? Like, he's being a little disagreeable.

He could have whatever. And, but you say bit by bit. Others call it the frog in boiling water, right? It's just, the heat just keeps getting turned up and turned up and turned up. And at some point, I, uh, hmm, you're making me think it's, it's my first podcast back and you're really rammed it on to me. I, once again, listen to all your videos, seen all your stuff. Just cast your mind back to a time called BC before COVID. Yes, before COVID.

What did you do? What did you do when you thought you had to? the flu. Let me tell you. What you did was you stayed at home, you sweated it out. Someone brought your chicken noodle soup. You sprinkled it with Tylenol.

You had no testing of any kind. You decided when you wanted to go back to work because you were responsible. You used common sense. And it worked. Not only did that work, but in the process of getting chicken noodle soup brought to you and living at home,

you gave it to the family. not intentionally, but it happened. We knew it would happen, could happen. It was a chance event. That was a good thing. It built herd immunity, the natural way, without a vaccine, without all the terrible complications of a vaccine. Immediately available, dirt cheap and immediate. This time is utterly no different, except for treating older people with comorbidities in a special way that does not require the very very. vaccine. It's called treating them early, as Dr. McCullough has stated with his protocol.

Peter McCullough. Treating people early is incredibly effective. It won't stop everyone from dying, but people die all the time. It's not a callous thing to say and speaking as a pathologist now. Death cannot be prevented.

Sooner or later, your game's up. The roulette wheel stops in a place that you didn't expect it. You might have a berry aneurysm burst tomorrow. You might have a head-on collision going to work tomorrow. But don't you feel... It's the risk of life.

Get used to it. It happens. I 100% agree with, you know, when it's my time, it's my time. Right? Like, no amount of worrying is going to stop that, right? I 100% agree with that. Don't you feel like it's almost, almost like the perfect storm of where, you know, you go back to, we go back to just.

after World War II, they'd seen some things. They had seen some things specifically in North America. I mean, of course, I just mean where we're situated. There's a ton of people. Everybody knew somebody or had a relative who went to war. So when they came back,

they didn't stand by and let anything go by. I mean, they were passive, sure, to a point. But at the same time, they'd just fought for rights and human freedom and seen some of the atrocities that had happened, and they went and fought that. So what I mean by the storm is you know you slide across and I'm not sitting here trying to make light of

anything going on in the world but we all can agree for the most part there hasn't been a world war for the most part of people there hasn't been like a big conflict specifically to us where we've had to dig down deep into our souls and fight for whatever so here we all sit we've all been living pretty nice way too comfortable right's right and now this comes along And fear, I don't know, I can't speak for yourself. I can speak for myself again. And you could taste it. And that taste for the first couple months was like, holy shit, I got three young kids.

I don't want, like, they've just started life. I don't, oh, okay. But then as it goes along, you kind of go, what the hell is going on? Right. But then the government keeps reinforcing and feeding that fear. And if you don't turn it off, you don't switch channels, you don't find an outlet where you can read some things and do some, then that fear now has been percolating for a year, which means what you're saying

is going to offend the shit out of people, which is fine. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe they turn you off. To the rest of us, chances are we've been slowly digging ourselves out of this or trying to, and here we sit.

Another year into it with, I don't know, like we're in such a precarious spot. Right on. I don't know. That's... My grand... you might say opinion on all of this.

Yeah. Is this. Universities are the root cause of everything. Allow me to explain. Okay. A place that's supposed to be the bastion of free speech has become exactly the opposite. Universities have become a place of controlled speech, largely because of a self-perpetuating elite of junior faculty,

who are all, more or less, if you do the surveys, 95% rampant socialists. Okay, so what does that translate into over a period of 20 years? Self-perpetuating appointments. They appoint their own. What does that translate into? It translates into a subtle inculcation into students that that philosophy is the right one.

They're at university. If you want good grades, maybe you shouldn't object. We're watching you. My wife just got a degree from Grant McEwen. And that is actually happening in real time. Don't object. Your grades will be affected if it's a political matter that's being discussed. So what happens to those students that come out having being so subtly influenced?

They go out and they become teachers. The teachers now teach the kids the same thing, very subtly, but it's there. The kids then go to university and colleges and get reinforced with the same messaging. So over a decade or over a lifetime, it changes. It must be right. I've heard it so many times. They don't question it.

What that ends up with is a woke culture in which government is supposed to take on all life's risks for you. Give me my water bottle, my Netflix, my iPhone, and I'm in this happy, hedonistic swirl down the drain because if something goes wrong, the government's going to look after me. There's no risk-taking anymore. Governments simply want to introduce this mad concept of wokeism everywhere. And so there never was a conspiracy in this COVID epidemic.

It was an accidental release. Ferguson milked the numbers ridiculously. The media got hold of it, fanned it like crazy, and the politicians all panicked. No due diligence was done on Ferguson anywhere to show that he was wrong, like he had been on multiple occasions. That information was then translated

into all these ridiculous interventions that they all knew did not work, but they wanted to show the public that we are your savior. We can protect you from everything. All you have to do is agree with us and follow what we're telling you to do. In other words, obey. Shut up, obey.

And they succeeded. They succeeded because of that graph in the morning paper driving fear. They succeeded because of shutting down brutally any counter-narrative that might interfere with the messaging. What does that translate into for the Great Resetters? This thing dropped in their lap quite unexpectedly. This was not an attempt of global depopulation. There was no plan for COVID.

No. But when COVID happened by accident, they milked it to the hilt to the extent that it got rid of Trump, that's how perverse this was. I always say,

I agree, I don't think it was a grand conspiracy. But it doesn't mean they weren't prepared. It doesn't mean they weren't just sitting there. I always say, you know, coming from a farming family. The lineage of farmers will tell you, you know, things go in cycles. And if you prepare for the cycles, then you're, you know, when it comes, you can see it for what it is and you can carry out, right? Like, that's kind of how knowledge is passed from, you know, from an elder down, down through the generations. Well, if you grew up in politics or, you know, you're in a lead or whatever, they just have a different set of, you know,

things that they passed down. So I would argue, I don't think it was a grand conspiracy. I just think they're like, listen, whether it's a war or whether it's this or whether it's this, something's common because something always does. And when it comes, you just got to be ready. And if you're ready, we'll see what you could do. And I go back to my comment about the perfect storm. I just feel like you call it woke and everything else. I call it like, man, we haven't, you know, I've lived an exceptionally good life and haven't seen anything until I turned 34 and then at 34 now you go okay this is this is this is odd I don't know what to do with this follow our leaders okay follow follow the the people who are paid to make these decisions follow our medical professionals follow all these people

because now what happens a year into it over that we're closing it on two years into it is now if you say anything that's counter the narrative anti-vaxxer oh you're one of those I'm like one of those like I just I don't know I don't I listen to enough smart people

way smarting me that are saying just be cautious well cautious to me means especially with vaccine is like well then just don't get it don't put it in my arm because until they can tell me that you know the data's proven out on it there's no real I'm not an anti-vaxxer

I'm I'm very much in favor of vaccines. They're enormously useful in public health. But not this one, which is dramatically different from any of the others that have ever been introduced into medicine. But to get back to your point about the big picture, there are so many lessons coming out of this. The first one is, and the biggest one is,

let's not forget that empires come and empires go. Democracy is very fragile right now, and it's only been around for what? A couple of hundred years, plus minus. Plus minus. Thereabouts, right? It's slipping away, bit by bit by bit. And why is that important? Not really from the perspective of what's happening here.

But if anyone listening to this does not think that we're not going to be at war with China, they better really just sit down and have a good think about this. We are going to be at war with China. It's a matter of when. Explain a bit more. And so, what are the Chinese thinking in all of this? They're looking back. They play the long game.

They're smiling inscrutably. And the Chinese leadership is saying to themselves right now, hey, we may not even need to fire a shot. They're so weak, demoralized, democracy is crumbling, wokeism is taking over. We got it made. They're thinking right now on a balance of probabilities. What would Biden do if he invaded Hong Kong? Answer, he might send the sixth leap through the foremost estates, that's about it.

He'll do nothing. The Chinese are loving it. There's one number one principle in war. You don't feed your enemy. It used to be called a siege. You don't feed your enemy. That was what Trump was starting to realize. Repatriating American manufacturing.

Buy American. Subtext, don't buy Chinese. You don't feed your enemy. And what COVID has demonstrated, what COVID demonstrated to Trump initially was, surprise 95% of the world's pharmaceuticals originate from China

raw materials sometimes finished product 95% that's how vulnerable we are not just from pharmaceuticals but from electronics and from many other aspects of everyday life now we are so dependent on China

the very country that we are going to be at war with people must wake up to that reality this is much bigger than COVID COVID has exposed our dependency on China in a way that was long overdue but I hope we wake up and realize the big ramifications of this at the same time as China's getting stronger we're getting weaker and the principal reason we're getting weaker

is the infiltration of wokeism into everything look at the American military. They're in fact infected with wokeism now. It's everywhere you look. It's demoralizing. It's weakening. And the Chinese are loving it. That should be a big wake-up call for everyone.

We're at an hour. How much time do I have you for? You can go. When you say, Everybody needs to wake up to the fact we're at war with China or going to be at war with China. I've noticed this since I started this gig, you know, started getting in front of people and talking to people,

is fear is very motivating to the population. What you just said there is a very fearful thing for people to think about. What can you explain why it's inevitable that we go to war with China? They want to dominate the world. They're slowly being very effective at doing that. They've infiltrated every institution with very well-placed people and money. It's a long game that they're playing. They'll decide when they decide to push the button,

when they think they're strong enough and the balance of forces is in their favor. There's no way, once again, this must be here. I assume you're going to laugh at me. They are not playing games here. Yeah. We are. They are deadly serious in their objective. We have lost our way.

We don't believe in democracy anymore. Democracy? Are you kidding me? With all this stuff going on and everyone just being like sheep led to the slaughter? No one's standing up for their rights. The message for the Chinese is people don't care about their rights over there anymore. just give them a water bottle and a Netflix and an iPhone and everything's peachy they've forgotten what risk is all about

North America's never been invaded since the British right no one has a history that's the modern the latest generations no one has a has an understanding of external threat it's dying that realization is still alive a bit in Europe but for generally speaking Europe is toast Europe is gone, done, finished. What do you mean? Europe's in a slide into obscurity.

It's lost its way. The way wokeism has infiltrated everywhere over there. The European Union is a classic example. The United Nations is a classic example. The WHO is a classic example. Of how wokeism has infiltrated everywhere and is now dictating policy for everyone. They've lost their way.

Look at the surveillance situation in Britain. Cameras everywhere. Everywhere. I'm not sure if you've traveled over there, but surveillance is pervasive. I have not traveled to Britain. There are surveillance cameras everywhere. China has that too, don't they?

The state wants to know exactly where you are, what you're doing, what you're spending. where you're going, how risky it is for you to go anywhere, vaccine passports, etc, etc., etc. Democracy is being destroyed. And COVID should be a big wake-up call for that as to how destructive government control is of your everyday life, your normal assumed liberties of where you can travel, how you can travel, what you can say. That's being trampled on right now.

And people are not standing up. Yes, there are rallies. There are podcasts like this. But on a mass scale, people are being swept along to the slaughter. It's because they walk outside their front door, Roger. Look around and now things change. Sure.

Right? Well, one day, they're coming for you. That's what happened pre-war Germany. Everyone saw the terrible things going on. Everyone turned a blind eye. no one wanted to be the next target by standing up because of the brown shirts intimidating everyone wanted it to be somebody else

that's coming here make no mistake look what's happening in in Ottawa with the post-national state he doesn't believe in Canada anymore he believes in income distribution everywhere is that the future we want it's not the country I joined in 1970. Is that really the future that we want?

The vision that our prime minister is promoting? I don't think so. I think that's totally out of sync with common thinking. But people are accepting it. And the way the polls are looking, he's going to get a majority next time around. How long does it take for people to wake up to realize what's going on in this once fine country

that's being destroyed, peace by peace by peace and COVID is a mere example of that I don't know if I got much to add to that I got to you've pushed on me pushed on my brain I don't mean literally and it's given me some things to think about

I wasn't sure where we were going to be going with this chat and I'd love to sit and chat another hour but the problem I got right now is you've pushed me to having to seriously sit back and think me and my brothers do this all the time. And you just hit a point where your brain is taking in so much information. And... Look, what I'm trying to say is this.

Yeah. It's in a slide. Each little step is imperceptible. But progressively, you're losing control of your freedom. And at some point, it will not be possible to get it back. Look what's happening in Australia. Explain what's happening in Australia. to my listeners, because I'm going to assume a lot of them have no idea, Roger.

Australia is the most brutal oppression on the planet right now outside of China, where you can actually be arrested for having a protest against the regulations. But in jail. The most brutal oppression. For the most trivial of reasons, it's become a police state in Australia. with brutal police oppression and suppression, horses running into demonstrators and so on. It's much worse than what's going on in Ontario or Manitoba. In Australia, a place that you thought was full of rambunctious, freedom-loving guys, right?

No, no, no, they're being controlled. But I always bring it back to, you know, anytime I said this at the start earlier on, that anytime you go to the other side of the world, Australia, as many people have gone there, it is on the other side of the world. So people just, like, they're not seeing that that can come here, right? Listen, I already said at one point I was like, ah, we'll never have anyone arrested on a pond. Well, that happened. I never thought we'd have anyone arrested in Lloyd for not wearing a mask in a place.

Well, for the people who don't know, that happened, right? That happened at the leisure center. dragged out of his car, put on his knees on a rainy road with cars whizzing by, handcuffs put on him, dragged into a cruiser, and put into solitary. Is that the Canada we want? No, so what people do is they rationalize it, Roger. They go, he's the extremist. He's not an extremist.

He's a man standing up for everyone's rights. Right. He's not an extremist at all. He's on the country. He's a fundamental freedom lover And he's one of the very few ministers and pastors in this country Who are standing up and being counted Well let me finish on that sure

Shaming strategy here If every pastor and minister across this once fine land Decided in provinces that are still locked down Let's rewind a month or two ago and include Alberta in that Okay If on a particular Sunday they all said We are opening up on Sunday with full capacity, with no masks, and we dare you to stop us. Every single church.

Every single church did that on Sunday. The state would crumble. The state cannot take on the church and win. Those pastors are cowards. They're hiding behind their pulpits. afraid of the hierarchy of their own church. Let me finish the analogy. Yeah.

I'm an agnostic, but I was brought up as a Methodist. I'm aware of the Bible. And I might draw an analogy here. What would Jesus have done in a circumstance like that? Did Jesus hide behind the pillars of the temple? No. Jesus apparently turned over the tables in the temple, didn't he? He made a stand.

and other things, and he was crucified for it. Where are the church leaders now? They're not taking. Not just where the church leaders, where are the leaders, right? I understand religion. You mentioned that the state can't beat the church can't beat religion. No. There's no chance.

But you just, listen, I've got, I've got lots of friends who are standing up. and more and more it seems as we go along. And this is once again my way of trying to help stimulate thoughts and people to get them out of their shell, to get them from just driving to work every day and seeing, nothing's changed because things are changing. Whether it means you can't visibly look out the window and see it, things are changing and they're changing very rapidly.

And the best way to get that message out is to have these conversations to let people listen along, them. But I just look at it and I go, I don't think anyone's stupid. I really don't. I think we've trusted, you know, our leaders for so long, centuries to do the right thing. We've trusted, you know, in my lifetime, you turn on the news and the news is supposed to talk about what's going on. It is talking what's going on. It's just framing it in a way. The news used to be facts. It's now opinion. Well, I'd have a bit of an argument. on that because I've done a

I'm not going to sit here and say I've written a textbook on it but I also understand that over time governments have always tried to control the messages that come out on media the difference is is the willingness of a population to go along with what messages are going on right like you can go back through history and see that if it was the printing press you damn sure there was people that tried controlling it at some point

And we're at this very unique time and history where if the internet wasn't here, and this wasn't capable, then all of us would just go along. And Roger, you could go have your speech out at certain places like Kid Scotty and talk to a few people. And it would probably go nowhere. The thing is, is right now, the internet exists.

The ability to listen to somebody on the other side of the planet you can do right now. It's a very perfect time for that. It's not there for the vast majority of people. What do you mean? All my interviews are not available on YouTube, period. They're available on alternative sites. How many people go to alternative sites?

A mere fraction. That's fair. The message is not getting out because of the incredibly efficient international censorship of all three levels of information. politics, media, and medicine. Well, you do throw it on my head there because that is honestly

something that is quite evident and some of the most major podcasts have started talking about it is the censorship of using words like Ivermectin of speaking out against your government of testimonies at Senate being pulled off YouTube and if this is all news to people listening, That is happening.

Like right now, United States, Canada, that is happening. If you can stop the Twitter account of the president of the United States, you can silence anyone, anywhere on anything. People must understand how pervasive and brutal and worrying censorship is. When the president of the United States is censored on his Twitter account, just be. because the goons running those social media companies don't like the message. I laugh because Donald Trump, for all the good he did, was a loose cannon. He, he... The country needed a loose cannon. I'm a trumper, full disclosure.

I consider him the savior of democracy. No politician in living memory has delivered on promises in the face of perpetual attack like he did. Is he a perfect individual? Absolutely not. Do I agree with what he did on COVID? Absolutely not. Dead wrong from start to finish.

But a marvelous man. And if he doesn't get in again next time in the States, democracy is in very serious trouble. When they go down, democracy goes. goes down. That's how serious that is. No, Trump's not a perfect man, but I admire him deeply for delivering on his promises, which never happens in politics, and doing it under incredible jurors. I hope he gets back in again. I think if he would have just put away his Twitter, he might have got back in. That's what I think. Maybe I'm wrong. He lost the election for one

principal reason. COVID came along, and the Democrats milked it on the voting side of things to ensure that fraudulent elections took place. He lost the election because of COVID, being milked by the Democrats for all it was worth. That's why he lost the election. Well, I really enjoyed this, and I've already said this. Normally, I don't mean to say I'm cutting you off.

Normally, I would go on for hour on hour, but my brain actually hurts from all the things you've been talking about. And I assume then that most people listening are going, Wow, that was, I got to think about this. I hope so. Which means at some point, I'm coming to find you again because I'd love to have a follow-up round of sitting down with you and having another discussion.

Well, then let's end with this. I appreciate you coming in stopping in here and doing this with me because this has been... Look, I'm so upset about this, Sean, because I'm not exaggerating what I'm saying. I'm talking scientific medicine here, and talking about the extrapolation of that into the loss of human rights, into the decay of society. And this should be a big wake-up call for everybody, not just me, because what it can lead to progressively is everything that we once held dear evaporating. we've given enormous appetite to the great resetters.

What's going to happen next? Climate lockdown, for example. Yeah. It's enormously enhanced the appetite to show that fear and control works. Well, I've said it multiple times through here, Roger. It works. You can taste the fear. It works.

You can cut it with a knife. That's how much and you watch how everyone's reacted to it including myself at the very beginning and absolutely that'd be evident to any country That's enhanced the appetite for their great plan and make no mistake about it It's bloody serious people think it's just Soros and Gates and a bunch of Looney Tunes meeting in Geneva No this is an existential threat to the world order that's going on. And these guys have been energized by COVID to exploit. This is a grand experiment for them, unexpected. They milked it for all it was worth, Trump lost the election, etc. But it's just the preamble of the next thing that they want to do. Global currency, global government,

you know, massive redistribution of wealth, etc., etc., etc. The post-national state is around the corner. people have to understand this is bloody real. It's not a theoretical, abstract, philosophical argument. There are people actually plotting to do that. And this is a dry run. Unexpected. To be learned from.

By them, for sure. But people don't understand the significance of this and the appetite it's giving them. To destroy everything. Well, we're going to leave it there. I do appreciate you coming in and sitting with me and making some time in your busy schedule. And I wish you safe travels. And I do mean it.

I'd love to have you back on for a round two. Well, we'll have to do it again. I'm sorry for losing control. No, no, quite all right. Hey, folks, thanks for joining us today. If you just stumbled on the show, please click subscribe. Then, scroll to the bottom and rate and leave a review. I promise it helps.

Remember, every Monday and Wednesday, we will have a new guest sitting down to share their story. The Sean Newman podcast is available for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever else you get your podcast fix. Until next time. Hey, Keeners. Uh, well, I feel like we haven't talked in a little while. It's been a couple weeks, and funny how a couple weeks feels like a year when you get away. Um, everything seems to be just like, I don't know, crazy land right now. I'm talking, I'm even talking to them and daughters. Like, it just seems like, The world is continuing to spin, obviously, and things are flying by, things are changing. I want to know what you thought of this episode, so make sure you leave some comments on social media

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before this and hopefully you know you've got to the lake you've got out you're enjoying some people's company it's been great to see everybody smiling and laughing there's weddings going on dances happen concerts it just feels like there's a lot of great things going on but obviously you know, listening to this, got to keep our eyes and what's about us, all right? So we will catch up to you Wednesday.

Until that.