Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #193 - For the Kid's Sake

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

A group of concerned citizens have been gathering over the past 8 months discussing the current events & bringing in experts to help facilitate discussions. I sit with Tara Anderson, Dustin Newman & Ken Carson to discuss the For the Kid's Sake group. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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for the kids' sake. I sit with Tara Anderson, Dustin Newman, and Ken Carson. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined by three individuals. I like to preface the beginning of it that none of us are doctors or anything like that, but I would say concerned citizens is how I'd label it. They've started for kids' sake, which is, well, I'll let them tell you all about it.

But I'm joined today by Tara Anderson, my brother, Dustin Newman, and Ken Carson. So how about we first go around the table, let people know who you are, and anything you want to tell them, Tara, we'll start with you and go from there. Sure. Okay, so I am from a small town, Paradise Valley, Alberta. I always laugh when I travel. Everyone always asks me, is it really Paradise? Yes, it is. I love our hometown. I love where we live and our roots. So I had a wonderful childhood there and awesome family and then moved away to the big city to go to Eminton for college. And I went and became a travel agent and worked in that profession for a couple years, a few years. and then married my high school sweetheart, Jason Anderson, and he was also living in Emmeton, working in the oil field. And we decided pretty quickly that big city life was not for us. So we moved back to the farm, and we started farming on top of our full-time jobs. And a couple years later, we decided to start our family. So we have Autumn, who's in Calgary now, and

she has joined me in business. Gracie, our middle child, is going to, she's in her second year university. And then our youngest, Caden, he is going into grade 11. So it's been fun. It's been an awesome watching them grow up. What was your favorite stage of the kid? What kid's age? The reason I ask is I got, you know, five, four and turning two here very soon.

Not that stage. And all the old people are like, enjoy it, enjoy it. And after Shea sat and, like, cried today over, I don't even know what anymore. And Mel just was like, I can't handle it and walked upstairs. I'm like, but hon, you're supposed to enjoy this stage? Yeah. What's your favorite stage? Oh, I love, I honestly do love all the stages.

But if I had to pick one so far, it was, I remember this like it was yesterday, being on a family vacation. And the kids were 10, 7, and 5. So they were like the perfect age to travel, right? Independent, but they, not too old, that they didn't want to know. be around you. And so anyway, I remember being on that vacation and several times having a moment of I could freeze time, like just that moment. So you knew it in the moment. Yeah, I did. And but I honestly, like from the bottom of my heart, love all the stages. So because it's fun now having adult children

and, you know, being in business with my oldest has been so fun. So yeah, I enjoy all the stages. And highlights for me for sure has been watching them do the things they love growing up so sports has been a big part of our family um you know horseback riding piano and then they went on to teaching piano so all of that's been really fun and um i've thoroughly enjoyed it and then about 15 years ago i started a business and uh with a health and wellness company and i love it i love the community the culture everything about it helping people find healthier products and just healthier lifestyle so that's been that's been a blessing because I've been able to do that alongside having the kids and yeah I guess the most important thing to me is my faith I have a strong faith in God and I love you know being a wife

and a mom and living in the country and and anything health and wellness so that kind of is me in a nutshell how hard has the last little bit been well not a little bit I guess geez I say a little bit I mean, think about it. It's been, we're closing in on, what has it been? Year and a half? A year and a half? Almost more than that. How tough has that been on your kids?

It's hard. If you're a parent and you have children in sport, you know what this has meant to them and how important sports are to them. And so to have that taken away from them, it's been huge. I mean, I consider us blessed. We live in the country. Our kids can rip around on snowmobiles and dirt bikes and. ride their horses and get away from it, but it still impacts you, you know, isolation.

We're not meant for isolation. Well, Dust, you know, you love to gloat with the brothers when you come on, but. I think if we count it up, Sean, I think I'm your most, the guest you've had on the most. It's either me or Ken Rutherford. You might be close. Anyways, to the new listener then, who hasn't, maybe just a little bit about yourself. dust and we'll go from there. I'm obviously Sean's older brother.

I've got two kids that are eight and ten and that's the best stage. You enjoy every stage. You just enjoy certain stages being over a little bit more than others for sure. And actually Tara was talking about Paradise Valley and is it Paradise. I was always a little bit more. I like Paradise Hill a little bit better than Paradise Valley. Oh, come on. That's because I was born in Hillmont and that was close by.

I run an oil company in Lloydminster, Alberta, and I'm an engineer who consults a little bit as well, and then two kids and a wife, who's a vet, so our life is very busy. Tara was talking about sports. My son Owen, I'm a big hockey player, being a Newman brother, and what's funny about my son, Owen for the first few years, he was kind of so-so on hockey. He'd go, but it wasn't, you know, he could tell he just wasn't that into it. And what's funny about COVID is about halfway through this last year when there was no hockey. And one day he comes out to me, he's like, Dad, I really miss hockey.

And I was like, oh, that's the first time I've ever heard that. So even for a kid who's less into sports than maybe some of the others, I think the interaction and the exercise and the skill development and just having social functions is huge. and that really hurt, well, not only Owen, but all the kids for sure. Well, me and you can attest in the worst, the darkest, I mean, for everyone who's listening to this, everybody had their dark times during the last year and a half, right? And I say that because, you know, in the next couple weeks here in Alberta specifically, we're supposed to open everything, right? Like, everything's supposed to be, and it's supposed to be done, right?

And so if you go back to us to probably, I want to say April, me and you started having these phone chats, I even record a while. One of them is up on YouTube. I should have went and listened to it before we came back on here. But the social interaction is what was killing me. I'm, you know, I'm an extrovert. I love talking to people, meeting people, talking about things. That's how my brain functions. I need to talk through things over and over and over again.

And even then, sometimes I don't come to a conclusion. but it's very healthy for my brain to get what's on the inside out. You need to talk. That's right. Yeah. Thank you, Jess. Anyways. But you talk about social interactions, and we were doing that.

And this, you know, one of the lovely things about technology, we've started to see, you know, I had my first episode taken off YouTube, which is an odd feeling, to say the least. But we started to see the ability of the last year to. to have the opportunity to interact with people through technology is one of the blessings it was. Right? Like the blessing of technology was that we could talk to people. We could FaceTime. We could see them. But now we're starting to see the big tech companies start to stifle that. I mean, free speech is an odd thing right now. Well, and I'll tell you what, FaceTiming and Zoom and all those things are good. But there's nothing like being in the same room as someone. And what's funny, you were talking about being an extrovert and really needed that, needing that people stimulation essentially. me as an introvert, I actually found that I, you know, I like being by myself.

I spend most of the time by myself, but at the same time, you still need human interaction. And that's what was lacking sometimes for sure last year and a half. Sorry, Ken, I'm leaving you to the end. No worries. Yeah, hop on in. So, yeah. So I come from a very small town in southeast Saskatchewan. And grew up, we farmed, we had grain.

Well, what was this small town? Whitewood. Whitewood. Yeah. Anybody in here know where that's from? Or where that is? Whitewood? Where's it close to?

Mooseman, Kipling. Oh, okay. Musumen. I flew into Mooseman one time in an airplane. Fluent to Moosman. True story. I was doing a potash job at the Rokenville mine. Yeah.

And Bill Kosh and I, shout out to Bill Kosh. He's like, what? Instead of driving down, why don't we just see if we can get an airplane and fly down there? So that's what you did. We flew into Musumann and then drove up to Rokenville from there. You're the first person I know. but flew into Moosman. That's why you've got to bring up every small Saskatchewan town because, I mean, they're all small.

Yeah. Anyway, sorry, apologies. No worries. And so, yeah, so we farmed grain and cattle operation. And we also had a road construction business that we operated. So we were busy and grew up with two brothers and a sister. And 26 years ago, my wife Dorothy and I moved to Lloyd Minster and made it our home with our. with our three kids. And our three kids now are pretty much well into their adult years.

My son Jason is in Lloyd Minster and he's a master electrician and has an electrician's business in town. My daughter Kirsten is a doctor of acupuncture and is in Calgary. And my daughter, Katie, is a mechanical engineer and lives in Fernie. And I have three grandkids that are getting well into their teenage years. And that's what we enjoy. I mean, that's our life, is watching our grandkids participate in activities and sports. And you talk about what's the favorite stage of your kid's life? Our favorite stage of our kids' life is their grandkids.

Well, I was going to, I was actually, I was actually going to ask because that's been one of the themes on the archive episodes is that there's a club and the club is being a grandparent and you can't understand it until you're in it. And so I've heard this sentence that you love your grandkids more than your kids. Is that possible? You're not supposed to say that with your with your outside voice. But you enjoy it. You do enjoy it. And, you know, I was just at some of the ball games of the grandkids and just thoroughly enjoy it. And that's, you know, our lives, as far as my wife Dorothy, who's the executive director of the Lloyd Construction Association and myself, I run a consulting business in the oil industry, our immediate lives actually weren't affected too severely by COVID. We still worked.

We still did our things, but our grandkids were affected. And our lives in going to watch our grandkids play sports and do what they do was just gone. And that was tough. Well, maybe then we'll flip back to Tara. And by all means, if anyone wants to hop in at any point in time, it's a roundtable. So feel free to jump in and talk. And let's see where the conversation may go. but I think for a lot of people, if they've heard of for kids' sake, or maybe they haven't,

let's start with how it's started. How did for kids' sake get, you know, the wheels slowly turning? Sure. Yeah, no. Have you read the book On Fire by John O'Leary? I don't think I have. No, it's honestly every human needs to read this book. It is so good.

And I've heard John speak, actually. Would you mandate that? I'm not mandating anything. It is amazing. It's a true story. It's his story as a nine-year-old boy being burned, actually on 100% of his body. And he was given less than a 1% chance of living. And he talks in this book of inflection points.

And so an inflection point is pinpointed moment in time, a pinpointed moment in time, that changes everything that follows. Okay. And when I was kind of reflecting back on like how the steps I took to getting to know you guys and being a part of this, there's kind of three points that stand out to me. And one was it wasn't even really a big deal, but I was sitting in my office. And I just remember thinking like this was last fall when, you know, restrictions were getting tighter, masks were going on our kids in school, sports were being shut down, kind of that ripple effect of everything just kind of close. closing in. And I remember thinking to myself, I have to do something. I'm a doer. I just need to, you know, take action and do something. And so I just remember thinking, I don't know what I need

to do, but I need to do something. I don't know what that looks like. But I had that feeling of, you know, our generation's grandparents went to war for us so we could have freedom. And I was, I just can't watch that be taken away. So, I mean, I'd been using my voice for sure. And, trying to have meaningful conversations and using it on social platforms and speaking up. But with the nudge of a friend, I started a Facebook group, a friend Rachel. And so we started that group and learned very quickly that there is a lot of people that felt the same way because it was just growing fast. And so the group is called Stand for Freedom and Truth. And we just use that as a place to share information.

And because, you know, we'd been texting information to friends. and I thought, let's bring everyone together. So we had kind of a gathering point. So we used that platform to basically share information, get petitions out, ideas for, you know, how to contact your political leaders, and that's kind of where that has evolved. And then the second kind of inflection point for me,

you guys, I'm sure all know this story, around Christmas time with Ocean. I'm going to butcher his last name. Wise Blatt. Yeah, Wise Blatt. playing pond hockey in Calgary on an outdoor rink and being arrested. And I remember, like, that story just, it just hit me. And I probably cried on and off for two days after that story.

And I just kept thinking, this could be my kid. Like, this could be my son out there. And, I mean, these kids, like we've talked about, have had everything stripped from them. That's important to them. I mean, sports are more important to my son than my, than school is, right? Like, let's be real. And so things had been stripped from our kids. And here this kid is out at Christmas time trying to play hockey with some of his buddies, being healthy, not sitting and playing video games. And he gets arrested. And some might argue, oh, he was being

obnoxious. Well, he was asking why he was being arrested. Regardless, he was playing hockey on a pond with his buddies. Outside. Outside. Yes. Me and, me and Ken, Rutherford have had this argument an awful lot because I was the guy who went, why don't he just take his skates off? I'm sure they asked him very nicely. And Ken looked at me and we've had the argument and it's taken me a long time. I actually talked to Ocean on the phone. I was trying to get him to come on the podcast because I thought it'd be really good for me to hear him talk about it and be like, oh, right?

Like that's every kid. And at age, every kid's, not every kid. For a bunch of athletes, that's the most important time of your life is when you're 18, 17, 16. back to we should be from the start we should have been encouraging people to go outside to socialize outside to do sports outside physical activity and instead we were hassling you know in certain parts of this country we're hassling people who are doing those very things which to me is completely crazy well and i i was thinking too okay here he is playing hockey with a few buddies getting fresh air being unhealthy. Meanwhile, someone else could be down the park, sitting on a bench, smoking pot,

and they're totally illegal. You know, like, how, how did, I just thought, how do we get here? How did we land in this? And it was, it's something that I just, even thinking about it again, gets me, gets me shaky because I just, I, we have to do better for our kids. So that was a real inflection point for me. And then the third one was hearing some children's stats. And this, you know, you hear some stats and they go in and out. And it's, you know, whatever, you forget about it. This one I couldn't. And so it was learning that in 2019, the kids' helpline in Canada had 1.9 million calls. And that number grew to over 4 million in 2020. And I read in an article that 10 of the calls per day were also suicide calls and involved police.

And I thought, okay, a decline in mental health is killing our kids. And I'm just not okay with that. COVID wasn't killing our kids. The tyrannical measures put in place by our political leaders was. And I thought, I have to do something for our children. We have to be a voice for them because they don't get one. They're told to put up, shut up, and follow the rules. You know what I found funny about that whole thing?

talking about mental health is we've been having this conversation in society about mental health for what 10 years and opening up the conversation opening up the conversation talk about mental health but the things that actually help your mental health whether it's socializing whether it's exercise whether it is eating the right food eating the right food uh even going to a place of worship and worshiping you know a higher power uh looking for beauty you know those kind of things we took all of that away. 100%. Yeah, and health was never talked about, you know, on mainstream media. It was a singular focus. There was no, like we put so much discussion into mental health in the last 10 years and then in one foul swoop, we got rid of a whole bunch of things that was so important to everyone's

mental health. And especially kids because they don't, you know, like there's, I tell you what, there's some horrible situations out there where kids are in broken homes or single parents who have to work or whatever it is. And they don't have their outlets that they normally have. have, which is usually sports or socializing, they have none of those. And they can become absolutely trapped. It's true. And a lot of people say, oh, kids are resilient. I think it's just kids mental health is the easiest thing to ignore. Yeah. Right. Like, they can't, they can't talk about it as well because they don't have, they don't have as, that's right. They don't have as much experience talking about it. They don't. And the coping mechanism, to know how to deal with what they're feeling or what they're going

through, right? Yes. So, and the know how to reach out, you know, so learning those statistics, I thought, oh my gosh, we need to do better for our kids. This isn't okay. And so, um, with these in mind, I'd, I actually was listening to Ken Rutherford and Tanner Applegate to a pot, their podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, they were talking about the driving rallies that we were having in town. And, um, you know, just to kind of take a stand, right? And, and, uh, and, um, and, uh, and, um, I had participated in a couple, and I remember them talking about them, and, you know, they were organized because we don't know what else to do, right? Like, what do we do? And that was one of the things that was being done. And it was good for building inner strength and realizing that there's other people out there that feel the same way, right? But at the end of the day, they had posed this question, like, what are we accomplishing, right? And I just kept thinking that same thing, too. Every time I was in one of those driving rallies, I thought we need to bring these people in a room together. We need these brilliant thinkers to come together. And so I just, I, and he said on that podcast too, he said, chances are if there's people organizing this, there's other people locally that are doing something to, right?

And I just reached out and said, look, we've got a group two that feels the same way. Like, what can we do? And we just started chatting. And then, you know, he, he knew a lot of like mind of people, all of you in this room that felt the same way as well. So we started, this is kind of how it began as we started meeting once a week. week. Ken kind of brought everyone together. We were meeting weekly. There's, I think, nine of us. And we just came up with a list of our purpose, kind of what do we want to accomplish and our objectives. And we could talk about the purpose and the purpose, I think, would be lovely. To summarize the journey, it's funny when I listen to you, I remember those meetings and I remember thinking, I still don't know what the heck we're doing, right? But it felt good to be.

trying to do something because even like I said to Roger Hodginson on the last podcast I had was like so what are we supposed like what can we do like nobody that nobody has the answer like but by getting together having people put together talking about things a it's healthy for you but two it's good to hear and start to spitball some ideas back and forth well we could do that oh wait that's not a bad idea okay we could try that and you see uh some of the the the i don't know i'm He's going to steal Dustin's word from before. I don't know if beauty's the right word. But it's been really cool to get groups of people together.

You know, Kid Scotty's become the focal point the last couple meetings of having over 100 people, 175, I believe, at the last one. I wasn't there, but 175 at the last one. Together, listening to somebody who's trying to inform them with information that can help alleviate some stress of like, I'm the only one. And we've talked about that a lot. I know a lot of us in this, all of us in this room, have had the people reach out and go like, geez, I didn't realize there was more people like me. And if we all just started talking again, you'd realize like, holy crap, there's a lot of us

that just don't know what to do. Now, purpose, Ken, I know you've got to sit in their handy. Why don't you read it off for the listener, just to kind of get a feel of for the kids' sake, what the purpose is. So for me, I'll just kind of expand a bit on Tara. For me, too, it was also through Ken Rutherford. He was kind of the nucleus that brought us this,

this group together. I know Ken through, he, the first time I got to know him, because he was coaching my granddaughter through hockey, something that was taken away for a long time.

And we got communicating kind of at the same time that Dustin and Ken were communicating, Tara and Ken were communicating. And yeah, we just, we just all knew that we had to do something. And we still don't have all the answers.

And that's why, why we want to create this community of people so that we can try and figure things out and support each other and build this network. So it was important for me when I got involved that, you know, I kind of thought that we had a lot of fragmented groups. We needed to try and bring people together in a common voice. It was important to me that, you know, we created a purpose, a proper purpose. We created objectives.

And we legitimized the group and created a legitimate group. So I know that there's different people are not all in the same place on the scale of what they think's happening or where they think things are going or all that. So we kind of wanted to create some middle ground where everybody would feel comfortable being involved. and we can all have our different opinions as to exactly what's going on and where everything, but we're still all like-minded, and we have a common goal, which is to be a voice for freedoms and for children. So just to go through our purpose, it is to be a strong and legitimate voice for children and communities. To create a group, and not just a group, but we've said we really need to create.

a community of like-minded people that will create goals to push back against government decisions and policies and the decisions of autonomous institutions and people who are taking away rights and mandating things. For the kids' sake supports choice and upholding of our constitutional rights and freedoms. For the kids' sake does not condone or promote violence. And for the kids' sake is not partisan, but we will engage with those. those who support our objectives. So I just want to expand that technically we're not a group that's against anybody. We aren't a group trying to take any rights or freedoms away from anybody or force anybody to do anything.

We are simply pro-choice. We are pro-fully informed, uncensored, and uncoherst choice. and that's you know that's it in a nutshell well you know after so essentially you know once again

I'll try you hear the purpose you've heard everybody's a little bit of their back story for now the past eight months Christmas time nine months roughly somewhere in there a group of people

slowly started getting together it slowly bloomed into renting different halls getting speakers in to come talk about things that weren't being censored or, you know, like held to a certain narrative. Essentially, just opening up the conversation and that is continued to grow and now you've had, you know, that's how we get the Andrew Liebenberg. That's how Roger Hodginson ends up in town. You got a lawyer coming the end of the month. We'll talk about that towards the end of the

podcast if people are interested in how they get where that's going to happen, et cetera, et cetera. But why, you know, and I feel like, as we talked about the kids and everything else, it pretty, for the listener, at least for myself, it becomes pretty evident why it's important for everybody. But why was, you know, because right now you could argue, well, things are opening up, guys. Like, why is this important? Why is it important? And maybe I'll start with Dustin. Why is it important?

Well, Tara talked about a lot of the moments in her, you know, inflection points. And one of the ones that really hit me hard was this. essentially vaccine passports. And not, you know, to go to a certain country, you need a vaccine to get in, that's one thing. But when you start mandating that vaccines need to be had to do normal stuff in a society, that scares the crap out of me. And so you say, well, everything's opening up, but there's still lots of businesses, lots of institutions that are trying to push lots of work sites where you need to be vaccinated

to work here. And to me, that is so wrong on so many levels. And that's why I continue to push is because I still look around the world and in Canada. And Tara can talk about some of the university stuff that's going on. Ken can talk about some of the workplaces that are trying to mandate vaccines. And we're not against vaccines, but there has to be choice. You can't just say everyone has to get this. That's not how a free society was.

works. Well, and I agree, like, it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on with that, whether you're for it or against it. What should terrify people is potentially the government being able to decide what we are doing with our health and making these decisions. That, to me, it's the freedom of choice that we're protecting, that we're standing up and protecting. Well, and even institutions and businesses, like you're talking about health information. And to me, government, that scares a crap. I mean, especially government, trying to make those decisions for you. But even businesses, I look at it and I go, okay, like at some of our meetings we've had

one guy stand up and talk about trying to get an antibody test. And it's very difficult to get one at this point. But, you know, to show that you have natural immunity, for example. And, you know, to say that you need a vaccine passport, well, hold on a minute here. If someone's already had COVID, why would they need the vaccine? If someone's young enough who doesn't get sick and die from this, why would you mandate that they get the vaccine. Well, I just came across the border, right?

Yeah. And we're going across. Yeah, not a big deal. If you're five and older, don't know how they pick five. I have no idea. Maybe they thought that was the age where they could actually administer a COVID test, which is impossible to do on a five-year-old. But let's just leave it there.

But at five, so she just turned five, so now he's eligible for COVID test. So he had to get a COVID test to come back. So I'm sitting there talking to the border official, right? And Mel's been, has both of her shots. Now, I'm unvaccinated. So you kind of get a feel for, okay, well, we'll see how this goes. And I say to him, well, I mean, the kid's got to isolate anyways. And he's like, well, I actually know, like you're two youngest, the four-year-old and the one-year-old,

they don't have to isolate. And I'm like, well, how does that make any sense, right? Like, are we trying to stop the spread? We all know it's not, well, I think it's pretty knowledge or well-known by now. The kids under, what, 20 are pretty much non-effective, but us. I'm not saying they don't get sick. I'm saying the lethal effects of this are non-existent. And maybe they're going to try and prove that on the new variants that are all coming

every single day that it is going to affect them. But at the same time, I'm like, so we have these like oddball rules just set up in place that really don't make any sense and why they picked a certain age. I mean, they had to draw a line somewhere, I guess. But that just literally happened, you know, in the short-term memory. Like that just happened. Well, and to me, the businesses and the institutions that are saying you have to have a vaccine to come here, it's like, well, hold on a minute here. If anything bad happens, are you going to be the ones taking responsibility?

Like, who takes the liability from that? Because the vaccine manufacturers aren't. And you go, well, no, the vaccines are safe. But there's nothing ever that's completely 100% safe. There's always side effects. There's always problems that happen. So who's actually, so if you're forcing me to get this, if something goes wrong, are you going to be the one that's having a different? deal with the consequences of it? And of course they're going to say no. But that's that's why you

have choice because different people have different personal risks and the younger the kid, the less risk they have from this, which goes back to, okay, if they don't have much risk, do you get the vaccine or not? That's the, that's the heart of the conversation. And to protect that freedom of right to choose. It's our health. I mean, it's right on the CDC website, the World Health Organization, once you get the vaccine, you can still get the virus and you can still spread the virus. So the reason to get it would be if you think it's going to protect you, right? And so. Well, and we've had doctors on that talk about that.

Yes. When you're administering anything to a patient, it always comes back to the patient. It doesn't matter about anyone else. You talk to the patient and the patient has to benefit from it. Otherwise, you don't give them it, essentially. They refer to you are to be doctoring the patient in front of you. Yes. That is the most important person right there.

And you talk about, you know, we're kind of getting into doctors and the suppression of them being able to doctor. And but you talked about natural immunity. And we all have kids and I have grandkids. And you know the old joke where your kids eating dirt. Don't worry. Don't worry. He'll be healthy.

And it sounds like a joke, but it's true. It's how our immune system works. That is exactly how our immune. Our immune system does not work if we don't experience. If we live in a bubble? Yeah, if we live in a bubble. Exactly. So, I mean, the COVID-Cyrs 2 virus is 28 different proteins.

Now, if you get natural immunity and you get a broad-based immunity, because you've experienced it naturally and you've experienced a broad amount of those proteins, you're going to have the best immunity and versus having a vaccine that gives you one protein that they selected. And that's what your body is going to experience. But I guess the biggest concern is why the suppression of your immune system?

Why do they want to suppress? that your immune system. Like, it's like they, they don't want anybody to think their immune system works anymore. Well, to me that, you know, you're talking about suppression on the immune system, but I just look at suppression of the doctors and information. That was the other thing that really scared me was, you know, you start hearing about doctors that are speaking out and losing their jobs. That, to me, is this very scary thing.

And it's not like, you know, what they're saying, like Dr. Francis Christian in Saskatoon. All he said was we really probably shouldn't be given this to kids because they don't get sick from COVID. And he lost his job for it. And to me, that is beyond scary. Well, or the doctor in BC, and I'm forgetting his name. Charles Hoff. Thank you. He just raised concerns about the vaccine and loses his job.

And then he didn't even raise concerns about the vaccine. What he raised concerns about was he administered it to a bunch of people and he started to see side effects. And he started to raise those side effects and he lost his job for raising the concerns. And that is beyond scary as well. Well, and then you go Bohm bridle, right? He's the one who sees that it doesn't, you know, I'm going to butcher this by no means my medical expert. But any flu or any vaccine shot is supposed to stay in your arm and he showed that it migrated, right? Yeah, it travels around the body.

Concentrated in the heart and the ovaries. Right. And even if there's a tiny, tiny chance. And he got and he got lambasted for that, right? Names smeared. And so I guess that's one of the. the things that I find encouraging about the group is it's trying to open back up the discussion, the dialogue of bringing in knowledgeable people to our community to help bring on some discussion,

bring like-minded people into a room and let them know they're not alone. I think that's been one of the best things. You know what's funny is you say like-minded people, but actually what happens when you come into the group is that there's a lot of different opinions about what's going on of what's causing it, which is fine. You don't get shouted down or attacked just for having a different thought. Yeah, you're right. Which is what normal call. If I like minded, do you mean people that are open to having the discussion?

That's exactly what I mean. But it's not that everybody has the same opinion or same idea what's going on. I don't know a lot of what's going on. I just look at some of the things that scare me and I go, okay, we need to stand up and actually push back against this. We're concerned. We're concerned people. And I think the other thing to note about our group,

too is when you come and you see who's involved and start to talk to people, they're good people, they're smart people, they're rational. This is not a group of crazy people. It is just concerned. Citizens. Citizens 100%. Well, and we talked early on. Sorry, Ken, did you get?

No, go ahead. We talked early on, you know, like they're not going to mandate the vaccine. I look around at you three. You've sat in meetings. I've got to be part of a couple of them, I think, with our MLAs. and to hear what they're talking about, like some really interesting things have come out of this group, right? Because now you have some objectionable, am I saying that right?

Action items? Geez, am I saying that right? I don't know. You're all laughing at me, whatever. Anyways, having some targets, some goals to move forward on has allowed you guys to get in rooms with the MLAs of our area, sit and talk to them, hear some of their feedback and go, oh, well, they're never going to make you get a vaccine.

Well, what have we started to see, right? We've, one of the interesting things about sitting on the inside of the group is you get to see firsthand people come to, with problems. And it's giant corporation saying, or, you know, I'm looking at Tara now with with the university sports, you sports, saying the only way you can play on a team or the only way you can be on campus is by getting both vaccination shots. Yeah, it's, it's not every campus. what's popping up is we saw at Easter time, the faculty at the University of Saskatchewan, where our daughter attends, they had passed a motion that they wanted the students vaccinated but come September. It wasn't mandated, but the motion was passed. So it got me like it's in the back of my mind now, right? Like I need to prepare for this, prepare for impact, right? So I've been

working with a lawyer actually and he's coming to speak at our next meeting. I'll go. 21st. So we've been working with him to try and get masks off children in school. And obviously now that's, you know, we're working on that for should they mandate it again. So, because of course, it's lifted right now. But what they have said now at the university is that they're not going to, for our daughter, I'm just going to share her story. And maybe, you know, I share her story because maybe there's someone listening that, you know, knows someone or has a child or is a student that needs, you know, wants to reach out. But basically, they haven't made it mandatory for her athletic group.

However, they've said, they've given us a heads up and said, if you want to travel with the team, there are provinces. Like, Westerns are going to be taking place in Manitoba. So in order to travel into Manitoba for Westerns, and you can't go to nationals unless you go to Westerns, obviously. So if you want to compete there, you either need, you have a choice. You can either quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in Manitoba or be fully vaccinated. So we have a little bit of time with this and we're working on it right now to build her case for this. But in the last

week, since I shared that at our last meeting, I've had several parents and a student reach out to me and like two more today. Like it's just, it's crazy to me because there's these teams, it's now teams coming and saying, my coach is saying, I don't have a spot on the team unless I'm vaccinated. The athletic director is saying, you have to be fully vaccinated in order to play. So it's backing these kids in a corner. And so, you know, yes, we can fight that on an individual basis. These kids could fight it individually.

but our brain as a group went to there's power in numbers, right? And so I did approach our lawyer about that and he said that, you know, he was asking, could you get a couple, you know, a few per team? And I said, I don't know if there's a few that would stand up, you know, but maybe collectively across Canada, we could get many from different teams that would be willing to come together, right? And so we don't, I'm literally, you guys working on this right now. I don't know what the answers are.

you know, our mind is going, can we approach you sport, you know, the governing body for all of the athletic programs in universities and say, look, we have X number of kids that are not taking this, you know, and power in numbers that way. So that's where we're at right now. We don't have the answers, but, you know, yes, you can fight it individually, but. The danger of that, and we were talking a little bit this before we started, was as soon as you allow. people to mandate something like a vaccine or as soon as one person does it there's going to be multiple groups that do that and and it really becomes where does it end really yes there's no end in sight to it and the other scary thing about that with kids is because kids sports are so important like some these university kids that are going to going to university have spent their whole lives perfecting

skills to go play high level sports and then you say well actually you can't play unless you get the vaccine and you go well why wouldn't you just get it well hold on a minute here is a personal choice or not are kids the ones that are ending up in the hospital sick and dying all the people who have had the chance to get the vaccine have had it so at what point do we you know that's where governments almost have to step in and say no you guys cannot do this the problem is is that lots of governments aren't saying that at all. That's where, you know, we talked to the, to Colleen and and the MLAs. And, you know, there was a lot of different things that were discussed. And she talked about, there's things that is out of her control. There's federal politics that come into play.

There's autonomous bodies that make it difficult for her to, for them to make things happen. But what I've tried to get across and that I think in our last meeting she understood was that the government did create a specific narrative that just was put out there over and over and over for the past 18 months. And it is very disturbing what's been creative with that narrative. and that they need to be part of delivering a new narrative that has to bring things back into check so that businesses realize and these institutions start to realize that they can't do what they're doing.

And for me personally, you know, coming into this, I mean, it's definitely about the kids and we're talking about how kids are being coerced and mandating. And it's very disturbing to me to see, to seeing this, what I, the only way I can explain it is, is the bullying of children by adults over the past 18 months. And it's just seemed too easy. They're easy to, they don't fight back. And so, so, and literally to the point where they are being ostracized. And, you know, a group of

children that are clearly not vulnerable to COVID. And even Dina Henshaw, herself said, and I quote, schools have never been a driver in the spread of COVID, unquote. But adults, for the sake of themselves or the sake of other adults everywhere, have deemed this bullying acceptable. This is a level, in my opinion, of selfishness that I've never seen in my entire lifetime. And the taking away their school, their sports, their social network, the forced masking, the vaccine coercion, the vaccine shaming.

And the vaccine for a child is pretty much all risk and no reward because they are not at risk. And, you know, I listened to a school board meeting today. I saw it on the news, a clip of it. And one of the members, you know, sat there at that meeting and accused children of murder who weren't wearing masks. Now, in what world is an adult psychologically abusing a child now acceptable? That is psychological abuse of children to accuse them of murder for not wearing a mask.

And I can't believe that as many adults as there is that have bought into that narrative of social opprobrium, which is public shaming. And we're supposed to be their protectors. not their persecutors and I will you know I got involved because you know I was connecting the dots you saw it was going on

I don't know that I had an epiphany but you're connecting the dots and you see what's going on and I vowed to be a voice for them I'll be their protector I will stand up for them and I'll gladly submit myself to the chastising and the persecution

if it means that children in the future won't have to suffer that treatment again I don't think I could live with myself if my grandkids, five, ten years down the road don't have all their liberties and their freedoms and they're still suffering this type of oppression and, you know, they looked at me and said,

Grandpa, why didn't you do anything? And yeah, I don't have all the answers but I got to do something. And one of the most powerful things about the Streamstown meeting, the Streamstown meeting really, you know, before that, It was just a kind of a, I don't know, I don't even know what to put it. Throwing things against the wall and seeing what's stuck was pretty much all that was happening, but it was good, right? Then we met in Streamstown, and one of the things I took out of that meeting was Ken, exactly what you'd said, right?

You talked about being a young kid, and I'm paraphrasing here, you know the story obviously better than I do. That's right here. But sitting around with, I believe it was your dad and his friends and them complaining about the government. And then years later, they had done nothing about it. And basically you said you didn't want to be in the same situation when you, you didn't want to be in the same situation when, your grandkids are older now I'm butchered it maybe a little bit but that was to me was a very powerful story as I sat there and listened because we all walked into that meeting in Streemstown. I remember very clearly everyone going like everybody's so nervous like what are we actually doing

I don't know just we're we're trying to figure that out and we have to continue to move forward to try and get there because we just stop here and go I don't know nothing changes yeah I I you know My parents were and their friends were complaining about things that were going on back in the 70s and Western alienation and all those things. And, you know, I called them out and I said, well, what are you guys doing about it? Well, they're all businessmen and they're business people and they had farms and they had businesses to run and, you know, all the same questions came up. You know, what can we do? How are we going to get it started? How can, you know, I don't have time.

I'm busy. So, I mean, I'm not condemning any of them for not being able to get anything going. but that moment has resonated with me my entire life and like you said Terry you're a doer and that moment sticks with me and I think that's why I'm a doer I can't be a hypocrite I called them out if I sat back and didn't do then I would be living a life as a hypocrite and I can't I can't be a hypocrite I have to and we have a choice our choice is we can either fast four or ten years and say, you know, I wish I had. I wish I'd done something. Or we can look back and say, I'm glad I did. And regardless of how things turn out, if I've put my whole heart into

being a voice for these kids and like you said, taking the brunt of it, right? Like we're putting ourselves out there. We are. But I'm willing to do that. And yeah. Well, I think I think slowly people are finding their voices. I just look around this room and we're, we're slowly, slowly been finding our voices, haven't we? And the more people that do that, the better off society is. And I don't know if I fully realized that until, you know, it was a year in. And when people are all talking about it behind closed doors, right, people will listen to Dr. Roger Hodgkinson and shoot you a text and say, man, that was amazing.

But they won't say that publicly. They certainly won't go on air with somebody and put themselves into that type of light. and the longer this goes on, the more people that are starting to find their voices. Now we're open. And I always come back to, you know, this was asked back at Streamstown. Geez, that was a long time ago. Like, what are we actually doing this for? Well, here we sit, and I remember thinking that night, and I might even set it on stage,

was, you know, like, I think we're preparing for the fall. Well, a lot of, isn't it funny how everyday things just seem to just be flip-flop and change and jumping over here, jumping over there? And these problems aren't going away. Like it just, it feels like, you know, I'm looking at dust now because I just think of all the stuff going on in Israel. You know, I bring up Israel an awful lot because they are what the most heavily vaccinated country in the world right now. And they're having their issues. Well, that's right.

The U.S. just put out a report saying you shouldn't travel to Israel because of the problems they're having. But they were the first country to get the most vaccinated. Aren't they like two or three months ahead of us? Yeah, it should be two, three months. months ahead of us and you go, well, what does that look like coming here? And, and you go, well, the problem is that, you know, we get stuck at our own little bubble and you just need to look out a little bit because whatever is happening in the rest of the world is eventually going to come here. We're heading down the same path at a certain point, you know, and the fall is the time that

everything happens here anyhow. That's when the flu season hits. And there's going to be problems with COVID. That's when it's going to happen here again, right? So, yeah, I still don't know everything this group is going to do or where we're headed, but all you can do is keep meeting, talking amongst each other, talking with other people, bringing speakers to try and educate yourself better. Obviously, everyone knows what the narrative is or where the mainstream is. And so you try and find sources outside of that to try and get a better perspective on what's going on and what your choices actually are.

Well, and I don't think we necessarily have to know. No. You know, we just need to take another step and take another step. And it seems like every step leads to, okay, this conversation, we met Dr. Andrew, right? Like another one was Dr. Roger Hawkinson and just the wheels in motion and just continuing to collaborate. I think, you know, we have to be in a room together thinking and brainstorming. And that's what we've been doing. And for people who maybe are thinking or coming and concerned,

What are these meetings like? And I mean, they're pretty basic. They're not six shooters, you know, pistols shoot through the roof. Sounds actually like a lot of fun time. We can do that one meeting, just for chits and giggles, I guess. But it's not. I mean, they're professionally conducted. And it's just, and it's a lot of people getting together, even if we, like you said,

if it's just a small step, we make it a meeting or we determine some things or maybe identify some. some actions that we could just have some conversations for so many people that come for the first time they've been so happy they came and they've told us that they they felt like they were they were on an island they you know they had the same concerns we did but who do you talk to you're scared to talk to somebody because are you going to get chastised are you going to get you know so to come to that meeting and be amongst people that are like-minded yes and just have discussions discussion and and to be together.

To be in community. And that's, community is a big part of this. You know, I think we're building this community for two reasons. One, number one, to brainstorm and bring people together

and collaborate on ways we can take action steps and do the things, right? But number two, you know, should things go sideways, we need a community of like-minded people

that are going to, you know, support one another. Yeah, support each other's huge. Mm-hmm. You know, we just lived through a full year of, of, you know, honestly being on an island, right? Where it was just, that was right at the very beginning, right? Like, it was, it was, man, that was a long year.

And part of that is, you know, people are trying to figure things out. Governments are trying to figure things out. But here we sit a year and a half into this thing, and it doesn't feel like it's slowing down. It feels like it's just gaining momentum. And I think that's one of the interesting things about what, I really give kudos to you three for getting good speakers in, right? You talk about what the meetings are like. Well, it isn't a four-hour thing where you're just like, let's get to the speaker. Usually it's a doctor. Last two have been doctors, the next one coming up like you say on August 21st.

Saturday, August 21st, 7.30 p.m. is going to be a lawyer. And so it's very structured to focus on certain things to get meaningful information out to people who need it, who want it, who are looking for something that, honestly, the mainstream just didn't get to give you in. It's one of the reasons I wanted to bring you three on is I knew primetime news and Lloyd, no offense, prime time. I just knew they weren't going to bring you guys on and, you know, give you a kudos and talk about your next meeting and everything else. Sean, will probably be censored anyhow, so, yeah. Honestly, I'm very curious now that I'm on YouTube's watch list.

Watch this. We'll see what happens. But I mean, at the end of the day, I really wanted to get you on because... I think I was always destined to be censored, really. Well, we got a lot of friends and family who would probably like to censor you dust. True. It's true. I mean, at the end of the day, until you come to one of the meetings, you'll probably think...

Well, I shouldn't say you probably think. I would assume people think, oh, probably... It sounds a little extreme. Like, I don't know. Do I really need to go a meeting? But when you go to it and just understand that, actually, it's just... just like it's a really good source of some good information meet some people are struggling with the same bloody thing we're all struggling with and get together and have that sense of community like that's

what it's all about i remember the first meeting i was at uh a lady who works with very young children came up to me to voice concerns about everyone wearing masks around very young children because that's when they're learning facial expressions and human interaction and all these you know babies toddlers when everyone's mass they don't get that and what's that doing to you? their long-term development. And no one, no one seems to talk about that stuff, right? Like,

what does that do to a child who, you know, will they struggle with, with human interaction or with, with, body language for the rest of their lives? We're so focused on the here and the now, nothing to do with five years,

10 years, 15 years, whatever. Nobody's worried about that. Everything's worried about tomorrow. It's a very narrow vision to health because I think health encapsulate it's the whole picture. It's not just your physical health.

It's your mental, emotional, spiritual. It's all together, right? And we're narrow looking at one virus. We're not talking about or, you know, the long-term effects, the significant long-term effects. Well, and that's the beauty of the group is essentially, you start talking to different people who bring up different things that you don't even think about.

You know, like, what is going on out there? Like, what are some people seeing? I mean, the short-term effect, even on the Canadian government website, listing for statistics, says that from January 2020 to April 2021, they have recognized 5,500 more deaths because of the lockdowns, that they are identifying as because of the lockdowns. They're not from COVID. Not from COVID. From the lockouts.

It's on the statistic Canada. They are saying that these were deaths related because of the lockdown. And there was only, and this is in the age group of 64 and below. So there was only 1,380 deaths from COVID in that age group. So that's how many they've researched and recognized. How many was there actually? Well, I tell you what, if you're not exercising and you're not socializing, Like, what do you start turning to?

You start turning to, what, probably alcohol and marijuana and cigarettes? No, they sure didn't. And so what do people turn to when they can't go to church or when they can't, you know, socialize? To dull the pain, essentially, the mental pain. You know, one of the archive episodes I did, I sat with a lady who sung in choir. She said she hadn't been singing in choir for, I don't know at the time. Like this is maybe six months. It doesn't matter.

Six months. And I said, you're not singing? Why aren't you singing? She's like, oh, well, you know, they basically deemed it illegal because, you know, you could spit or whatever. And I'm like, like, that's what we're getting to. I'm like the, when we did the bike for breakfast get together at Fourth Meridian, the live music was so moving that night. Because it had literally been a year since I'd ever done anything like that. It just, you could just, you could just see it on people.

Well. And that is healthy. And when we talk about health being so much more than just this or that, it's like you got to, you got to focus on what's really happening across the entire spectrum. So, so this is where personal choice comes in because everyone has their outlet. Everyone has their outlet. And as soon as you have someone at the top saying, you can't do these 15 things, there's someone there that that affects that you have no idea it's going to affect because that is

their outlet so dr. Liebenberg talked about the girl who was 15 who played soccer and and committing suicide try committing suicide because that was her outlet I remember talking to a farmer over on the Alberta side and the uncle all he lived for was going to watch the grandkids play hockey at the rink and that's what kept him young and moving and active and they said because there was no hockey this last year and a half. He's gone downhill so fast because of that because he just has nothing left. And you look around and you go, okay, what is, you know, what is everyone's outlet? I just, I played hockey for the first time in a year and a half this week. And it felt so good to be out

playing amongst the guys, the dressing room, you know, the chirping on the ice, all of it, right? Scored goal for shift. Just throw that out there. But let's be honest, that doesn't happen too often. Not on the first shift. Goalie must have been sleeping. But like everyone has their outlet. And as soon as you start taking those outlets away, that's the problem with, you know, everyone's like, well, this isn't tyranny. No, no, no.

Tyranny is someone at the top saying what you can and can't do. And what freedom allows you to do is to find your outlets, your passions, so that makes life worth living. Well, then for some people, that's work. And when you shut down businesses and unemployment skyrocket, it's a, 1% increase in unemployment is a 2% increase in suicides. Yes. I mean, we cannot ignore that.

Yeah. Great. Yes. Well, is there anything else before I let you guys go? I really appreciate you coming in, sitting and chit-chatting about, you know, the group getting set up and everything else. Is there anything else that's on your mind? I see Ken's got a stack of notes.

Is there any... I'm getting old. I don't remember stuff as well anymore. You know, one of the, one of the, I wish, I wish we'd been meeting earlier because I have a memory, if I could take a time machine back to, I was sitting in a meeting, I don't need to get into the personal details of it. But they were talking about, I was so frustrated, but I couldn't, I couldn't articulate why I was frustrated. And it goes back to, I don't know why all the adults are so upset about the mass. Kids don't seem to be bothered by them, essentially, right? only adults are. And that moment

sticks out to me as like, we need to be better. Like, we're the adults. We need to be better. And I had a hard time articulating that. And the problem was, was the group surrounding said person. Didn't articulate it either. And having these meetings and getting to explore some different conversations,

getting to actually talk about things, has really affirmed my grasp and allowed me to dig into these conversations and have more of them so that the next time this opportunity comes the next time you need to stand up and have a voice you can and i think that's a very powerful thing about our about this group and what it's trying to do that's the thing what isolation is when you don't have those talks you don't actually get your your thoughts sorted out

so that you can speak well about the topic you're trying to discuss because if you never discuss it you're it coming it comes out disjointed and and you get attacked and you don't know how to defend what you're trying to say because you haven't had those conversations yet whereas when you actually get in a group and start talking, then, well, someone points out this or that, and then over time you become more well-spoken about that topic. And you can relate your ideas better, more effectively. Well, and you open doors. I think, and I'll maybe touch on this again quick too, is if there is any students out there,

parents of students that are feeling like they're backed into a corner right now because of this decision to reach out to me because we are trying to gather people to collectively stand up. So, you know, it opens a doorway to that, right? I don't have all the answers, but I'm going to do whatever I can to protect these kids. How do they get a hold of you, Tara? Do you want to give them an email? Sure, sure. Or they can Facebook friend me or find me in the group is Stand for Freedom and Truth.

Or Truth and Freedom, what did I call the group? Oh, my gosh. Hang on. I will find it. Stand for freedom and truth. Do you have an email or anything if they're not on Facebook? Yes, Tara in Paradise at Hotmail.com. Tara, T-A-R-A-in-Paradhaat Hotmail.com.

I'm from Paradise. Tara in Paradise. He's grinning. I am grinning. And I do have a final thought, if I can share it. Absolutely. Because I do want to encourage people. And, you know, it's not always easy putting yourself out there. I read a quote. One of my heroes is Mother Teresa. And I read this quote. And it says, I alone cannot change the world. But I can cast a stone across the waters to create many ripples. And I think honestly, everything we do has a ripple effect. And sometimes we don't take action or stretch ourselves or take risks because we don't think that that one phone call or that one conversation or that one, you know, us, our one person can make a difference, but that's exactly how it starts. Every victory is a

result of someone, one person taking a single step. And I just think, if everybody stood up, this ends. You know, and we've heard lawyers talk about this where it doesn't even have to be all of us. It doesn't even have to be the majority. Ten percent of people would end this, you know, collectively standing up to tyranny. And so, you know, advice that I've listened to during this time, you know, aside from praying law, is to build the community, to build communities. And, you know, we decided early on that we can't control, you know, a lot of things. But what we can control is what we do in our backyards and at a local level.

And so I just encourage people to wherever your strength is. I mean, Sean, your strength is doing this and spreading the word this way. And I thank you for doing that because this is a powerful way to get, you know, truth out, messages out. But I think that, you know, we all have to listen to that tug of, you know, where we're led and and act on it because, I mean, these children, they need a voice. You know, I've got a quote that sticks with me, and it isn't Mother Teresa. You know, I come from the 70s, so my quote's from Rush.

Here, I thought he was going to say Rocky Bell Bowl, but carry up. What were you smoking when you were listening to Rush there? Ken? Well, I don't know. A long time ago. But, you know, I don't know why these lyrics were wrote, like, or why Rush wrote but they just resonate with me as that they fit. And it's from a song free will.

And the lyrics go, if you decide not to choose, you still have made a choice. So there's a lot of people who I talk to, who think like us, but are still willing to sit back and maybe not get involved. And there maybe believe that, you know,

well, I'm not going to make a decision right now. But the fact is, you have decided not to do anything. So for that line, that's what that means. You've decided not to do anything at that point and to live with, you know, what's happening. And the next line is you can choose from phantom fear and kindness that can kill. So everybody's not evil that's, you know, causing harm to these children. A lot of people think that they're doing what's best. And they have it in their mind that this is the right thing to do. But the truth is these reactions and these lockdowns of healthy people and kids and this blanket general response to a pandemic where we were locking down the healthy

are killing people. Even if you think that was the right thing to do and even if you were doing it for the right reason. And then the last line is I will choose a path that's clear and I will choose free will. So I choose freedom. I choose choice and I choose free will. And the only way you can choose a path that's clear or find that path that's clear is by being informed about everything. And unfortunately there's so much censorship out there. But there is so many good doctors like Dr. Leibnberg and the Canadian COVID Care Alliance and all these reputable.

doctors that are well written and published and even have you know one nobel prizes that are being suppressed but knowledge is great if you seek it and if you know everything you can choose a path that's clear dust any final thoughts you got a quote no i don't have a quote um i kind of laugh that terr said you found your calling and that is talking so i'll leave i'll leave at that. Well, when is one final thought then, and I'm going to look at Tara, when is the next meeting? One last time. Saturday, August 21st, 7.30 p.m. Kitts Scotty Hall. People can just show up. They don't have to pay anything. Just show up. We take donations for the hall rental and any expenses. And who is the guest coming for that night? That's James Kitchin, the lawyer that we've been working with.

Constitutional lawyer. Yeah. He's, um, Um, he's actively working on stuff like this every single day. Like it's, he's very, very passionate about this and he's passionate about the kids as well and being a voice and standing up. Um, yeah, he's, uh, he's a good guy and I, he's very, uh, aligned with our views. That's why we're bringing him in. So. Okay. Well, I appreciate you all coming in and, uh, sitting with me and doing this. And, uh, well, we'll, we'll see what the next couple months brings. for the group and, I mean, for society as a whole.

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