Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #195 - Dr. Peter McCullough

Episode Date: August 18, 2021

Peter is a decorated doctor who has been vocal about treating COVID patients early before they ever get to the hospital. Some of the topics we discuss: early treatment, Delta variant, vaccines wearing off?? & the journey through COVID. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Dr. Peter McCullough. So buckle up. Here we go. My name is Peter McCullough. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. So today I have joining me, Dr. Peter McCullough. So first off, sir, thank you so much for joining me.

Well, Sean, thanks for having me. can tell you are a terrific hockey fan. Yes, as you could tell from my smile, the jersey's on the wall, I'm proud to be Canadian and grew up a hockey player and traveled into your fine country and across the world playing it. Well, you know, our Dallas Stars, the year before last, you made it all the way to stand the Cup. We ran out of gas against Tampa Bay. And Tampa Bay is a good team. Now you're back this year. You know, I got fond memories of the Emmington Oilers beating your so-called Dallas Stars. before they won the Stanley Cup back in the 90s. And those were some fun years where we were the absolute underdog

and we found a way to beat you. Great times. I tell you, Dallas Stars is terrific to go to games. And I hope we're back. I hope we're back in the mix soon. So it's great to mix it up with the Canadians. Absolutely.

Now, I'd love to sit and talk to you about hockey and maybe a different time and age we get to do so. But that's not where we sit. and that's certainly not why I brought you on. I wish it was to talk about Connor McDavid beating up on the stars. But maybe, sir, it seems part and partial to everything I do now. Could you give off your credentials to the listeners so they understand who's talking to them?

And we'll start there. Well, I'm in Dallas, Texas. I'm a doctor, a medical doctor. I am a board certified internal medicine doctor and cardiologist, and I practice both. I maintain my boards in both specialties. And I'm also trained as an epidemiologist. I trained at University of Michigan School of Public Health and Epidemiology. I see patients in my practice every week, but I'm also academically involved.

I'm the editor of two major journals, reviews in cardiovascular medicine. I've been an editor there, sorry, my third decade, I believe, and then cardiorenal medicine. I've been focused on heart and kidney disease until COVID came along. and now I've really set my sights on COVID-19. I've dropped everything to do my part in a sense as a patriot or as a doctor to help out in the pandemic. And I've particularly been focused on filling this void on early treatment where there's been such a focus on other things outside of treating the acutely sick person to prevent hospitalization and death.

You know what most people fear the most about COVID-19? they actually fear getting sick enough to require hospitalization being put in isolation, never seeing their family members again, and then not making it out of the hospital. Well, when I got informed or, you know, we kind of conversed that you were going to come on. I was excited. I was one of those, I'm a young guy or, you know, the kids, I'm old, but, you know, to most, I'm young, I'm 35. And so I fit in that age group that is young enough to not necessarily worry.

much about COVID-19. And certainly there isn't so far amounting risk to my age group that I know of. But your interviews and your testimonies to Senate, I got to watch that, I don't know, four to six months ago. And it just hit me so hard how you spoke, what you spoke about, how you didn't throw down COVID as, you know, laughable and wasn't really happening. You know, we didn't go into maybe some of the conspiracy theories. What you talked about was something, you know, like you say, the early treatment and everything

else. And it kind of hit me of like, wow, this is a really interesting guy. And I started following along with your work and your interviews. And it's really impacted how I look at things. And to get you on here to talk about it is really interesting to me. And I hope my listeners will follow along. I was wondering, how does your story go with COVID? but you say you drop everything to try and tackle it,

to do your patriotic or maybe your world duty now to try and figure this out. How, you know, in the early days to getting to maybe even sit down and send it, how does that story play out? So how does that happen? Well, I had achieved probably a pretty strong status in my field. So I do research in both cardiology and nephrology. So in that space, I'm considered basically the most published person in that field in the world in history. I have over 650 citations in the National Library of Medicine.

Most people will get professor of medicine status with like 25 papers. And so compared to the media doctors you see on TV, I'm at a whole different level in terms of evidence review and what I've done in my career and my contributions. I've published in the New England Journal of Medicine. I've been the overall editor of the first major textbook in my field. I've had several breakthroughs that I've contributed to largely in vitro diagnostics, but I've been very involved in clinical trials. I've led data safety monitoring board in clinical trials, understand them very well. And when COVID-19 began, initially, it was all hands on deck.

I looked at it and I told the doctors around you, I said, you know what? This is our medical Super Bowl. I said, this is the time. This is going to separate the men for. from the boys in medicine big time. I could see it right now. I could see it right. I saw all different types of behaviors, people heading for the hills, fear-driven behaviors, people trying to sequester masks, people segregating themselves. And there were heroic doctors. Believe me, we had meetings. The doctors that said, listen, I'm going to go on these inpatient COVID units and I'm going to just

take it. Those doctors were heroes. And when things started really heating up, up, we started to see the stories, right? So it came out of Wuhan, China, Milan. We started communicating with our doctors in Milan. And when things got out of control of Milan, where people started dying is when they ran out of personal protective equipment and they ran out of ventilators and other supplies. And, you know, there was a listing one time, there was a thousand doctors who died in Italy, largely the older doctors. So that really spooked the American doctors. And so when it hit New York, we heard all kinds of stories. You know, Maricomo was having days. daily press briefings. There was talk that General Motors was going to drop building cars and

build ventilators. They had a big ship float in the harbor of New York. I mean, the fanfare over this was tremendous. And we were communicating with New York and we knew things were getting pretty heavy there. But when we were talking to our colleagues, but honestly, we looked at March, April, and May, the question I had is, what are you guys doing to stop the hospitalization? What are you doing? It's pretty obvious if you're nothing. More and more people are going to get sick. And the answers were, well, we're not really doing anything. We're focusing on the hospital. And as the months went by, I would say March, April, May, we had several, I was on all these task force meetings at my medical center here in Dallas. And I was on all these task force meetings. And I kept asking, you know, are we going to have a tent out in front? Are we going to have a field hospital? You know, where's the, where's the mass unit mentality? in handling this. And the idea is, well, no, we're just going to, you know, if patients come in, we're going to play defense and we'll wear our hazmat suits. And most of the doctors said, hey, I'm shutting out my clinic. I don't want to get my clinic contaminated. And so next to, you know,

people started saying, I don't want to get involved with this disease. And I think it was largely driven out of fear. And in the early stages in March, April, May, there wasn't, there was very few cases. So I started, started to become a bit alarmed that if we did, didn't do something. We could really get snowed. It was pretty obvious. You have to do something before the hospital, before you overwhelm the hospital and all the people in the hospital get sick. We better start treating this at home. So I started working with the Italians. We started learning what worked, what didn't work. We didn't demand large randomized trials. Let's take five years. We're not going to have any large trials. We just need signals of benefit and acceptable safety.

And we had some leads. We had some leads back from, you know, 15 years ago with hydroxychloric when it looked like it reduced viral replication with SARS one. That's a lot. It looked pretty solid. You know, we use it for malaria. We use it for root to arthritis and lupus. We know how it works, safe and effective, terrific. That looked good. And then we started hearing about reports in the hospital of people's IVs clotting

and their dialysis lines clotting. And the doctor said, wait a wait a minute, we never seen a viral infection that causes blood clotting like this. And then tragically, people would have strokes. Our surgeons reported to us, wow, somebody had a large clot in the aorta, a major blood vessel in the body. We said, we've never seen this. before. So we've learned within a few months that there was three phases, viral replication,

cytokine, storm, or inflammation, and thrombosis. And by the time the oxygen is going down, that's blood clots, that's not the virus. That's blood clots in the lungs. And we realized we had to get an upstream approach. So quickly, I started publishing, I needed a window to speak to America on this, because we were just not seeing anybody taking any action on a federal or state level at all. It just was, it was pandemonium. And so I started publishing a series of op-eds in the Hill, and I had a window to America there. Well, I think I published nearly 12 of them over a year. I was a regular contributor. I predicted every single twist and turn of the pandemic. When they were building an Army hospital in Dallas back in April or May, I published,

I said, they're not going to use it. They're not going to use it. The virus isn't moving that way. And I was right. They wasted a massive amount of resources with, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of beds. in the Dallas County Convention Center, and it wasn't needed. They simply were making a bunch of wrong assumptions in these models. These predictive models were a mess. So I want to say by June, we had 55,000 papers in the peer-reviewed literature, studying the virus, not a single paper taught doctors how to treat COVID-19 to prevent hospitalization and death.

So I organized a team. We published our first paper, August of 2020, the American Journal of Medicine. And the title of the paper was pathophysiologic rationale for early ambulatory treatment of COVID-19. And we followed the assumptions that a single drug is not going to control this virus. So to expect a single drug is a cure is ridiculous. We don't even treat strep infections with single drugs. We always use drugs and combinations. So we knew it was going to be a combination drugs.

And so we organized drugs to reduce viral replication, treat the inflammation, and thrombosis. As a fundamental principle, became the most widely downloaded, utilized paper in all of COVID-19. outpatient treatment. We quickly had data with ivermectin with monoclonal antibodies that were approved by regulatory agencies. So we had a follow-up paper in reviews in cardiovascular medicine. That's your journal I edit. I organized a dedicated supplement, had a separate editor, Marshall that supplement forward. We had a whole variety of important papers published. But that second paper now is still, at this point in time, it's the cornerstone of care worldwide. There are reduced versions of sequence multi-drug therapy. There's the frontline critical care consortium has IMF and MF Plus.

They're kind of a more minimal versions of that. But that basically is the base of treatment for the world. And so as you can imagine filling that important gap. I mean, they have millions of people that need to be treated to avoid the hospital. You can imagine the next thing you know, my celebrity status really started to escalate. Now, I wasn't, it wasn't new to me. I had testified in front of the oversight panel for the FDA in the past. I've been C-SPAN for hours. I'm the current president of a major medical society, an endowed lecture at Harvard, New York Academy of Sciences. So I kind of know what I'm doing on the national scene, but this was at a whole new level. And I was invited to testify in the Texas Senate, the U.S. Senate, multiple state houses, and was very much involved

in organizing the United States on the early treatment approach. And without a drop of federal dollars or help or even recognition, we organized the United States. And by early January, we crushed our curves. We had four national telemedicine services, 15 regional services, regional telemedicine services. We had a roster of treating doctors across the United States. Vast majority of doctors were not going to lift a finger to help COVID patients, but we had hero doctors who were an independent practice. They took a tremendous number of risks. Most of us got COVID ourselves, myself included, they contracted the virus, survived a couple of us were in the hospital, one on the ventilator, but fortunately everybody survived. And this is a modern day

story of American heroes that help people in need. If we did not kick it in, I guarantee we would have overflowed our hospitals in January and February. And it would have been, the body bags would have been stacking up on the streets. It would have been terrible. And you know what? Other countries went through the same thing. Mexico City, things got way out of control. They crushed their curve with an early treatment approach. India, there was a major flare. That's where the Delta variant came out of. They crushed their curve with multi-drug treatment. Now we're in this flare or this most recent surge of the delta variant, which is not responsive to the vaccines. And we know this is a big part of what we're seeing. And in fact, we need early treatment. My phone's been ringing off the hook.

In fact, I just had a patient call while we're talking. So we're working hard. The early treatment doctors are working hard. We need help. Canada really needs help. I mean, Canada, none of the doctors, you know, outside of a few hero doctors, have even lifted a finger to help Canadians who get COVID-19 at home. Well, I was just about to say, why is it none of us here have heard of early treatment? Like I just, I, and hey, I could live under a rock. That is very possible. But that isn't a common term. I hear anywhere in the media. Certainly not sitting here doing what I. I do. I just, I don't hear of early treatment. And I assume that should be concerning. It should be concerning. Let me tell you're a hockey player. What if you got a staff infection

after you got cut with a stick? Are you, we're going to let that staff infection fester on your leg for two weeks and had you come in with blood poisoning and sepsis? Do we treat it that way? How about if you had asthma? Are we going to let you just have a terrible asthma exacerbation of bronchitis and get sick and sick and sick and then come in and we'll put you on the ventilator? Would we ever treat any of those problems that way? Couldn't doctors, because this is a respiratory illness, couldn't doctors use common sense? Don't you bet there are some medicines, some inhalers, some steroids and other drugs that work? I mean, come on, people develop blood clotting disorders all the time. I'm a cardiologist. I prescribe blood thinners all day long.

Really, I couldn't prescribe blood thinners for this problem, which we know is a superthromogenic problem. So I don't buy that. I don't buy the fact that doctors can't use their skills to help patients as an outpatient. Why would that be? Why? Like, here we are. How many, what, I don't even know how many months were we into this thing now. We're almost into this thing for two years. You mentioned that there was a good majority of doctors didn't stand up, but there was some heroes that stood up, went to the front lines, worked it, worked hard, developed this, got it out to everyone and flatten the curve, so to speak, to get you guys so that you weren't, you. you know, skyrocketing and overloading the hospitals and everything. Like, I know you talk to Canadian doctors. Heck, you just talk to a Canadian professor. Isn't there, I mean, and your podcast, Peter, is talking to doctors and people from all over the world.

Isn't there talk amongst, like, shouldn't that information just flow if it's this, like, this is everywhere. Every country is dealing with us. Shouldn't this information just flow immediately? You know, you should give your doctor a call. And I would lay odds if you called that doctor in March, he would have said, COVID-19, there's no treatment for it. It's untreatable. Sorry, it can't help you. If you were to call him again today 18 months later, he'd give the same answer. And I can tell you, between now 18 months, let me tell you what we have. We have 250 supportive papers for hydroxychicoroquine. We have, we have, 60 papers supportive for ivermectin. We have two randomized trials positive for inhaled butesinite. We have 12 trials and a meta-analysis of oral steroids, all different types that show benefit. We have the largest randomized trial done by Canadians, done by Canadians for a simple anti-inflammatory

drug called Colchicine. 4,000 patients, double-blind, randomized placebo-control trial supporting cultosine. We have lots of observational data suggesting full dose aspirin and full dose anticoagulins. We even have supportive data that's supplementing certain vitamin deficiencies plays a role for zinc, vitamin D, some supportive data for vitamin C, cursitin. We have tons of data suggesting not everybody needs to be treated. We can use risk stratification, people over 50 with risk factors, they need to be treated. Younger people like you don't need to be treated. Believe it or not, we have data. And we have a practice among dentists that using various mouthwashers and rinses reduces the viral burden in the mouth. Studies that have shown this. Same thing with nasal sprays. We have all kinds of

approaches. The interesting thing is that doctors still have it in their mind that this giant mountain of information doesn't exist. In doctors' minds, it's like, no, there's no treatment. Sorry, go to the hospital. I've never seen it before in my life. this complete and total dismissal of a massive mountain of evidence. That is wild. Like what you just said there, that entire speech, and I got to credit your memory for all of that. That's photographic, if I may say so.

That's, I would, I don't know, you guys are like, the guys in the ICU are essentially detectives, right? You're trying to find out what on earth is going on, because the whole point in your job is to keep people from dying. And then if you hear of a country, man, they're having some success. I just assume you pick up the phone. And, you know, one may assume that you go, well, maybe it's not that easy. Maybe there's problems in between countries and everything else.

Then I sit and listen to your podcast and I go, yeah, but here's a guy, a doctor, going around and talking to all these doctors, and they're all talking about the same stinking thing. Why on earth isn't all the government's setting up like, just like, a tat like man we got to figure this out here we got some success over here why don't you try this boom boom boom boom yeah it's called best practices how come the canadian government doesn't have a team of doctors who actually getting experience treating COVID-19 or 18 months into it and somebody must be getting some experience why don't we have a team of doctors working with international groups and figuring this thing out listen india just went through the delta wave why why don't we have

indian doctors working you got a mountain of indian doctors in can Canada, they probably know each other. Why don't you guys work together and figure this out in teams? Why don't we have any peer review? Why don't we have any checks on our policies? Like, if something's not working, why aren't we changing our practices midstream? I think we should have had through the entire pandemic a weekly update on treatment, if not a monthly update. What we have in the United States is we have two sets of guidelines, the National Institutes of Health and Infectious Disease Side of America, that basically have only addressed inpatient care. And they really put a chill on outpatient care. They basically say, listen, don't treat it as an outpatient. Just don't treat it. Nothing. The TGA in Australia has a set of guidelines. And every single statement is, don't do this, don't do that, don't do this, don't do that. They don't actually say what to do for COVID-19, but they're so clear on what not to do for COVID-19. So there's something about a mindset. It's almost like a mass neurosis or some type of disturbia that's going on in the minds of doctors that they're not meeting.

They're not collaborating. No international collaboration. It's just something fell over doctors' minds where they were not going to treat COVID-19. Everyone was going to play defense. They were going to hunker down. They were going to be an ice. insulation, everything kind of in shutdown, lockdown mode, and wait out the virus. And we just keep waiting and waiting and waiting. And every time we lock down more and wear more masks and what

have you, the virus just seems to go hunting wherever it can find susceptible people. You know, I have to assume that you speaking up and talking, you've been maybe privy to some pretty nasty things said about you and everything else. Or maybe not. But when I mentioned, last night, when I found out you're coming on tonight, I put it out on social media. I was like thrilled. Like I've followed you now for like I say, I don't know, four or six months somewhere in there. And the amount of people that said you didn't know what you were talking about that you're just, you know, there's a list of words out there. I was like, like, what?

I'm like, here's a guy who's like right in the thick of things talking about it. On top of that, you have the podcast, and I've listened to talk to a handful of doctors now from all over the world talking about this. And I'm going, like, I am missing something. And at times, I almost feel, Peter, like I'm, you know, maybe I'm too far down the rabbit hole here. And I'm like, maybe I am going to one side. Then I sit and listening, I go, no, like, it's the same thing I listened in all your interviews, sit and talk in front of Senate and everything else. I'm going, like, what am I missing? Or is it just that this message is being somewhat censored or pushed down or controlled?

I'm trying to figure this out. Do you know, I've never had a single one of those detractors ever challenge me on anything. Really? On anything. They can't even look me in the eye. And I'll say, listen, I'm just giving you the support for these studies. There's the evaluation of the studies. and they can't even look at me in the eye.

It's just the, I think there's a sense of guilt and shame. And these doctors are never going to admit they should have treated patients early. They're never going to take any responsibility for these hospitalizations and deaths. And they're going to try to play this game as long as they possibly can. And it's a walk of shame. This is a really dark time for medicine right now. And the doctors, every single doctor that told COVID patients, There's nothing they could do, nothing.

I mean, really? I mean, the next patient who calls with asthma, they can get an inhaler, and they can get some prednisone and steroid and they can get some antibiotics. But a COVID patient gets nothing. Really? Nothing? Not even a milligram of treatment? You know the National Institute's Health and the guidelines, they say, listen, you waited out at home. Don't do anything.

Waited out at home. Don't do anything. And then when you come in the hospital, still don't do anything until the oxygen levels go down. okay, now we'll start remdesivir. Do you know how inept that is? By that time the virus is long gone. The oxygen saturations is going down because of blood clotting. The Italian showed us that in autopsy. Every single autopsy study shows at the end is blood clancy. It's not pneumonia. There's blood clots in the lungs. And they're going to start an antiviral 14 days or 21 days into this illness. It's absolutely what's in the minds of people right now is nuts. And they and they create all these, all these, all these

barriers for themselves. They just, well, we can't do anything unless there's large randomized trials. I mean, can you imagine if there was a, we're in a war and someone has a gushing wound and blood is pumping out? And can you imagine you and I sitting there and saying, well, let's wait for randomized trials before we put this gauze on the wound? Or how about this? Why don't we wait for FDA approval so we can use it?

I mean, can you imagine this idea that you're going to wait for FDA, FDA approval for typical drug, from the time of drug development to the time it gets approved, is 17 years. We're going to wait that long. Really? We've got to use the drugs that are available. You know, give me another example. Operation Warp Speed, one of the things that came out of it was monoclonal antibodies. These are IV infusions that we can give. We can give them inpatient. We can give them outpatient. As long as we catch people early, they work. And there was a paper published in the Journal of the Infectious Z-Sye of America, a wonderful journal showing every day that you wait, the mortality goes up. If we start these monoclonal antibodies, let's say for high-risk

seniors, people over age 65, people who know we're going to get in trouble with COVID, they work. So the United States government purchases 500 million doses of these antibodies, more than every person in the United States. And there's no mention of these. There's no public service announcement. Our officials from the CDC and FDA, while they're on the TV, morning, noon and night promoting the vaccine, they'll never promote the use of these antibodies, let alone people know where they are. When I testified in the Texas Senate, there was a doctor ahead of me, a woman who said her father was in his 90s, was really sick with COVID. He got the monoclonal antibodies and it saved him. Great story. I got up there and I blasted the committee. I said,

where are these antibodies? How about the next senior? How does the next senior find out where these antibodies are? There should be something in Canada. You should know every hospital that's stocking monoclon antibodies if you have them and make them bill. President Trump got them and he breathes through COVID. Shouldn't that be a great working example? These products work. They're fully FDA-EA approved. They're just as approved of this vaccine and they don't get any airtime whatsoever. We got, they'll go unused by the way on the shelf. And to make matters worse, we have these artificial lines of use. So for instance, if someone's an outpatient, we can give the infusion. But the minute they click over into the inpatient, even if they're still in the ER, nope, they can't receive the

antibodies. They're sitting in the same room and somebody in the computer clicked them from inpatient, outpatient, and suddenly we can't use the antibodies. That happened to me in a patient last week. I said, really? I mean, could we come up with any more barriers to give some sick person with COVID-19 a milligram of treatment, a milligram of treatment? And it gets worse, because we have drugs that are versatile. For instance, Ivermectin really works impotone, really works inpatient, outpatient, outpatient, simple, cheap, effective, 60 supportive studies. Do you know in the United States,

there are sick, senior citizens in the hospital? The families find out about ivermectin, which is used broadly outside the United States and outside of Canada. And they asked the doctors, can me please give my mother some ivermectin? You know, she's not getting better. No, won't do it, won't do it.

They actually have to get an attorney, and there's an attorney now who's famous in doing this. His name is Ralph Lorago, and he'll actually take the case and go to court and say, give this poor senior citizen some ivermectin. I mean, if the patient had scabies or had pinworms or something, we'd use ivermectin, no problem. But suddenly in COVID, we can't give a milligram of ivermectin. And then shamefully, the courts have to tell the doctors and hospitals, give grandma some ivermectin. And this has happened in New York State,

in Illinois, and elsewhere in Louisiana. How shameful is that that we have to get the courts involved to tell doctors to give some medicine. I just had a patient in the ICU at my hospital last week and the family was there and it was a heart attack. It wasn't COVID, but we negotiate drugs all the time. Well, he doesn't do with this. He'd rather have this one. We negotiate drugs all the time. Suddenly in COVID, we can't negotiate a single milligram of treatment. It's just something, what I'm telling you is there's something disturbing in the minds of doctors where all roads lead to no treatment, inadequate treatment, more suffering, more hospitalization and death. It's in the minds of doctors. And it is, I've never seen anything

like this in my, in my life. And it's no wonder they're writing things in. These doctors ought to be ashamed of themselves. They can't even come up to me and look me in the eye. It's the, the behavior is so shameful. You must, you know, You've spoken a lot about the doctors that aren't doing anything, but you mentioned there's some real heroes out there that are really doing the work, prescribing the drugs, finding ways to save patients. You must see the good in it. And I'm wondering, are you starting to see more of it? Like, are you starting to see more doctors pick up the pace and get on, you know, and grab a hold of this good news and try it out for themselves? You know, it's slow. We had in my health system, I was the only one doing it for the longest time. Finally, during one of the surges, I had a family doctor reach out to me. So listen, just send me your protocols. I'm just so tired of these phone calls. I see you take care of it. The doctors have organized. So we do have the Association of American Physician and Surgeons. They keep an entire directory of treating doctors across the United States. They had the original home treatment guide. We have the frontline critical care consortium. They have Math Plus, IMF, and now we'll recover.

cover protocols. These doctors are critical care doctors, but are reaching out to early outpatients to try to prevent hospitalization. We have American frontline doctors. These doctors basically have organized because the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the infectious disease side of America, the NIH, and the FDA basically have done everything they can to actually impair outpatient treatment. Do you know the FDA has warning saying, do not use hydroxychloroquine. Do not use ivermectin. Like that's a helpful recommendation. You know, they put out these warnings for other drugs, honestly, and we read them and we understand them. But this actually put a chill. Do you know there were emails that went through these health

systems? Whatever you do, don't treat a patient with hydroxychloroquine. Do you know, the American Medical Association said that? And they put it out to the Pharmacy Association. The Pharmacy Association and say, you know, whatever you do, don't do. If somebody comes in, they want hydroxychicoroquine for COVID, but don't give it to them. And they have all these different protocols that they've been doing over time to block patients from getting drugs. It's gone on all over.

Do you know in France, hydroxychloroquine was over the counter? What did they do? They made a prescription, right? Basically in February, to make it hard for patients to get hydroxychloroquine. In Australia, in early in April, they put on the books.

If a doctor attempts to help a patient with hydroxychloroquine, it's punishable with jail time. when do doctors get put in jail for appropriate prescription of safe, off-label generic drugs? I mean, it keeps going, and we can keep going. I mean, the second largest plant that makes hydroxychiclorical in the world mysteriously burns down outside of Taipei. It keeps going. Doctor in South Africa trying to help patients with Ivermectin gets put in jail.

Okay, this, I mean, this keeps going. a fraudulent paper trying to make hydroxychloroquine look unsafe was published in Lancet and held up there for two weeks. Everybody knew it was a fraud. Lancet is like New England general medicine. It never publishes fraudulent papers. They pull it down and say, sorry, you know, no explanation. Just a fake paper we put out there to scare the world on hydroxychloroquine. It's just you can't make this stuff up.

You know, Ivermectin's gut is a very versatile. drug, it's got supportive data. There was a paper. Of course, all the good papers can't get the light of day in the journal. So there was a paper that finally gets published in JAMA. It's a tiny paper out of South America. And we start looking at it. We read the methods. And we say, wait a minute, both groups were getting ivormectin so you can't see a differential between the two groups. Hundreds of letters of editors are important. Say, listen, this is an invalid study. JAMA's like, sorry, I guess, you know, we, you know, we don't have anything to say. The paper stands. Canadian paper, Col Corona. Colchicine, Colchicine. Montreal Heart Institute, best clinical trials operation we have in North America,

6,000 patient randomized trial, Colchicine versus placebo, double blind, randomized, the best infrastructure, anywhere in the world. They had treatment centers. They would courier out the drugs to patients home. Cadillac, Cadillac, 6,000 patients. What do they do? They stop at 4,500. Why? No explanation why they was stop at 4,500, because they're going to be close to showing a statistically significant difference on the primary endpoint. But they stop at 4,500 for no explanation. They should have pulled it to 6,000. At 4,500, the overall primary endpoint, which included all the patients randomized, is called intent to treat principles, just missed statistical significance. But when you zeroed in on the 4100, that actually were PCR positive, you know, because when they, at first you don't know who's going to be

positive on, the 4,100 that actually had COVID-19, primary endpoint, of hospitalization and death were statistically reduced with colchise. This is prospective 4,100 patients, prospective, double-blind, randomized placebo-control trial. You can't get better quality data. What happens? Colcorona goes to New England Journal of Medicine. They slow-walk-it, slow-walk-it, slow-walk-it, slow-walk-it, slow-walk-and. Sorry, not interested, rejected.

They go to JAMA, slow-walk-it, slow-walk-it, reject it. They go to Lancet, slow-walk-it, and finally gets triage to a lower-tier Lancet Journal. The data are blocked. from Canadians and Americans for basically about six months. This is a simple pill. It's dirt cheap. It costs me $6 to prescribe it. And to this day, most Canadians don't know that a Canadian trial of a simple oral available drug reduces the risk of hospitalization and death.

And the vast majority of Canadian doctors would never even think of prescribing it to help a Canadian. That is how disturbed we are right now. That's how off-axis the world is right now in the world of biomedical research. That's a lot. That was like that that's going to hurt some brains. That's going to hurt my brain. I want to switch to what's going on right now with the Delta variant. I can only sit here and speak as the common guy, the guy who's got a young family and just hears what mainstream media and everything's writing and talking about.

they're saying how you know a couple things and if you want to speak to them i'd love to hear your thoughts one is it's more um the delta variant is on the surge and it's attacking kids and younger um you know people closer to my age range and in that and there is a strong push on in canada i'm speaking around where i live for everyone to get vaccinated to help stop the surge um the second thing I would say that's going on right now with the outbreaks is that they're making this, they're dividing the population again into it's being caused because people are unvaccinated. So there's this real twist on the numbers. There's a real twist on the fear of your children getting it and everything else when in the first, you know, I don't know, 18 months of this thing in

Alberta specifically, nobody under 20 has passed away from it, let alone, you know, I haven't heard of many children get sick from this. So I don't know what your thoughts are, but I know when I mentioned you were coming on, a lot of people expressed concern about Delta. From what we hear, it's, you know, it's coming. It's going to be bad. But what does that actually mean? Okay, so let's talk about it. In Canada and the United States, if we go calendar month by calendar month through the entire pandemic, we've always had strains of the virus. So initially in Milan and New York, it's called the Wuhan wild type virus. That was the original. So the virus is a ball. Everyone to recognize a ball and there's sticks on the surface of ball. Many of these sticks, right? The stick is called the spike protein. and it has a hinge joint in it. And the hinge joint is called the fearing cleavage joint. That was genetically modified so it can actually lock right into a human cell and get right in.

And that's what made it so contagious. If it wasn't modified in the Chinese lab with that gain of function research, it would be like the common cold because if it doesn't have that lock mechanism, it's just not going to get in. And so you get a little cold, but it doesn't ravage your body. So the gain of function made it dangerous to humans. So that's the first part of it. So as it hit Milan in New York, this is the fresh, dangerous gain of function product

of gain of function research. And people are dropping dead like crazy. So what happens over time is the virus is replicating itself over and over again. It's going to make mistakes. And it's going to read the code. And it's going to produce a few different types of virus where it's just not identical. So then these variants were produced. And so once we're a year.

into it, I can tell you it was clear that the agencies were all running the variant reports, the CDC, the United Kingdom. And we had 14 strains or 15 strains or 12 strains each month. And we always had Delta. We always had alpha, lambda. We always had Ada. We always had these strains. You can actually see the CDC report. And you can see all the different strains. And so there's variation because there's different changes in the code. What happened was vaccination. Once we put what's called a non-lethal evolutionary pressure on a virus or a bacteria for that matter. And we now change the thing. So now people are not equally susceptible. Before vaccination, everybody was kind of equally successful. Some people had cross-reactivity. Obviously, if you have the virus, you can't get it against.

So you are inert now. The virus can't do anything to you. And so we had this situation, which was manageable. Well, what happened was when India, when they started using the sign of vac vaccine, that's a killed whole virus vaccine, they did pockets of vaccination in Mashira, India. Once we get to about 25% of a local population vaccinated, which they did in some pockets, they haven't overall done that at all, but in a few pockets, then you actually invite one of the strains to step forward and become the dominant strain, whichever can scoot past the vaccine becomes the dominant strain. It makes sense. just like with the bacteria, if you had a staff infection and you gave everybody penicillin,

I can tell you a few staff are going to become resistant to penicillin, and they're going to emerge as a dominant strain. It makes perfect sense. And the paper by Nissen and colleagues out of Mayo Clinic and a company called inference in Boston, they published on this. They said, listen, you get to 25% vaccinated, you're going to get a dominant strain. Now, the conclusion of the paper was, listen, this is a good thing, provide the dominant strain is milder.

you kind of, you reduce the plain field of strains available. Well, sure enough, Delta came out of India. And what we figured out is that, boy, it was like wildfire. And you heard about India. And the good thing about it, it's very responsive to early treatment. Lots of American doctors helped out. Real hero doctors, Dr. Harper Magnet out of Washington, he dropped everything to help the Indians. He had a lot of connections. And they used a whole variety of things, monoclonal antibodies, oral drugs. And they crushed their curve over there. Terrific. But then the Delta variant, because there's so much traffic between India and the UK, basically set up shop in the UK. It also set up shop in Israel.

And the Delta variant, which is seven mutations in that spike protein, even had another mutation. It was peppering the mutations right around the gain of function, fur and cleavage joint. And it was in a sense taking the starch out of the fur and cleavage joint, Delta plus, now in the UK report on August 6th, the UK, the 20 version of the report, they now have like 20 additional mutations that have been had become into delta they're not that frequent so delta is a super mutated spike protein in a paper by vancata christnan and that's the reason why i'm so careful in citing the papers because i know you already said there's detractors saying that i'm that i'm you know giving misinformation i'm giving every citation you can look up it's there so fact checkers go get it

um van kata kristnan showed what's called antigenic escape that spike protein is changing so the antibodies can't stick to it. And it's been pretty clear now. It's been shown Pfizer cannot hit the Delta. The Pfizer vaccine cannot hit Delta. So now in Israel, where it's all Delta, they have, and I'll read the data for your fact checkers, Sean, just so you can really be A plus with them. Israel has for the month of July, Israel has had 5,000, I'm sorry, Israel's had 15,634 COVID cases, 15,634 COVID cases in the month of July. Israel is not a huge country. That's a big number of people.

86% were fully vaccinated. Of those in the hospital sick with COVID-19, 65% fully vaccinated, Sean. The Center for Disease Control pushed forward from Departments of Community Health, and they don't have all the cases, but the ones they confirmed, CDC up through July 26, had 6587 fully vaccinated Americans in the hospital, in the hospital, 19% of them died. Okay. Chow and colleagues just published from Oxford, a unit of Oxford, Tropical Medicine, Hochamon City in Vietnam, a hospital where everyone's vaccinated, and then some people started getting COVID. They lock it down. And even when they're completely locked down, people can't go in and out for two weeks in this hospital. It was all.

all Delta, they had 16 cases emerge. It was obvious. It must have been spreading. They had 69 cases total. They showed that the viral load with Delta in these vaccinated patients was 251 times the viral load of someone with a prior version unvaccinated. 251 times. The vaccinated in the Chow paper were massive viral. They're like viral petri plates.

Okay, that's vaccinated. Heteamaki from Finland. Nursing home studies, a series of nursing homes. The healthcare workers, the poor nursing home patients can't get out, right? They're sitting ducks. The healthcare workers, 45 healthcare workers get the Delta variant. 24 of them were fully vexed. Healthcare workers, none of them die, but they give it to the nursing home patients.

58 nursing home patients get it. 18 died. Of those nursing home patient who died, 12 were vaccinated. Last paper. Yeah. Well, I just, I get, I get the point you're making here. I'm making the point. The vaccines don't work.

They are not stopping the Delta variant. I mean, even Mayo Clinic and inference have got, you know, they try to calculate vaccine efficacy, which is really hard outside of a randomized trial, but they try to do it from standard equations. They've got Pfizer at 42% protection. Israel's got Pfizer at 17% protection. Mayo Clinic go to Moderna. Israel's got it at 17%.

Yeah, it's like nothing. It's like a useless shot. So why then, Peter? And I know this is not your area expertise. But, you know, all I got to do is look around. Universities right now are around Canada pushing that everyone on campus be vaccinated. And let me tell you, if there is anyone who steps out about that, they are absolutely scolded as being, I don't know, from a different century,

a different place in a PC you know what. Schools are pushing, the teachers are saying they want everyone vaccinated so that they're providing a safe spot. And I hear that and I go, so what am I like, what can I tell, what can you tell my listeners that

either, even if they're vaccinated or unvaccinated, about the Delta, it's coming early treatment. If they can find that, where do they find that? so that they can feel comfortable that if they do develop things, there is something there to make them be like, it's okay. Because I assume early treatment works on both. It's not like it's only for one set of people.

Right. And we treat them the same. Listen, I can tell you right now, my clinical practice, I've got two more patients who call me during this interview. I probably have 60% of my patients are unvaccinated. That's fine. Texas, only 40% of people took the vaccine. And I have 40% of my COVID patients have been full.

vaccinated. I just had a fully vaccinated man get COVID. He brought it home and he infected his whole family. I just talked to him and the wife in the last hour. It is clear the vaccines are failing. Certainly Pfizer appears to be failing the most. We do have data from, I believe the first author is Pyrronic from Mayo Clinic in inference showing Moderna is still holding out at about 72% protection. And we don't know about Johnson and Johnson. We don't know about AstraZeneca. But what Canadians and Americans should ask is, doesn't our government owe us a report on how the vaccines are doing? Doesn't the government, if you've got an array of vaccines, Sean, and you have to go to college, don't you want to pick the best vaccine? You just don't want to take anyone, right?

Don't you want to pick the winner? Don't they understand right now which vaccine is winning and which vaccine is losing? And we have plenty of vaccine. The vaccine centers have been empty from us, months the vaccines they have overproduced them they're laying around everywhere why can't our governments tell our listeners what are the best vaccines right now what are the best vaccines to choose but instead there's no word there's no word as a consumer on how to make a choice doesn't that seem odd to you that if someone says drive a car you say listen well which car is the best or you're offered any type of consumer item, why can't you make an intelligent choice based on what's the best? Our governments are holding all the data. Why do you have to listen to me? Why is a government

not providing any information on efficacy? They're not the same, by the way. They're not the same. Even out of the clinical trials, Pfizer-Madona, very short, over two months with the older versions of the virus before it mutated, they looked like there about 90% efficacy, but very few people got exposed to COVID, less than 1% of people got exposed. So it's not a very good challenge. but Johnson, Johnson, AstraZeneca were about 70%. Why did Johnson and Johnson even get on the market? Why is 70 as good as 90?

Do you see what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. There's something odd about that. If it's about COVID, why don't they actually tell us the winner and why don't we pick the best choice? So that should seem very odd to you. The fact that doctors aren't treating it should be odd to you.

And I can tell you what ought to really seem odd to you is why aren't people concerned about safety? These products are brand new technologies. They're genetic transfer technologies. They've never been used in mankind before. They were rushed through the development process. No studies on pregnant women. No studies on COVID-recovered patients.

No studies on women of child brain potential. They're rushed through. And Americans and Canadians are asked to get in line and take these. Based on faith, say, listen, the government's telling you it's safe and effective, take it. You need to take it to go to school. Okay, I'll take it on faith. If the governments are going to ask us to do that, there should be weekly safety briefings. There should be monthly reviews, safety reports, you know, committees of doctors trying to study this, working in teams, what's going good, what's going bad? Oh, a patient died over here. Why did they die? Maybe it was a reaction to another drug that they had and the vaccine interacts with a drug. Maybe it's in COVID-recover patients who don't need the vaccine. Maybe they're having allergic reactions. Where is the attention to safety?

Where's the concern about Canadians and Americans and safety with this new product? I mean, you know, the data are absolutely alarming. The fact that we have had no data safety monitoring boards, there are no committees, there's no review. And when you sign up for the vaccine, you're not given a portfolio of information on safety. you're going the center. The consent form's pretty brief. I've looked at it.

Says, listen, we don't know if this is going to work. We don't know if it's safe. Here, sign here. And you walk out and you get a sticker saying, I got vaccinated. You know, as we're closing on time here, Peter, I know you got another, I know your night's probably awfully full. Booster shots, right? Like our government's already come out and said they're, they've got the next five

year's book for us, you know, like, it's coming. And it's Pfizer. You know, you mentioned Pfizer as low as 17% in Israel. That hurts my head. Um, or boot, like, what can people vaccinated, unvaccinated, like, are booster shots going to work? Well, it's interesting. Pfizer, the dose of Pfizer per shot is 30 micrograms. It's messenger RNA. Do you know the dose for Moderna, it's 100 micrograms. How come the public isn't asking about even the dose? How come the governments aren't talking about? Maybe there's a dose effect. Maybe Moderna's looking a little better right now because it's a higher dose of passenger RNA. People are not asking any reasonable questions about the performance of these vaccines.

So I'll tell you, I watched CNBC last week and in the morning. I watched this show with Joe Kernan and Becky Quick and Andrew Ross-alkin. And Joe Kernan is just a regular guy. my age. He asked Scott Gottlieb, who's the former chair of the FDA. Scott's a very smart guy. He's on the board of Pfizer, so he really wants to sell vaccines, right? And Gottlieb is starting to soften his thing. Well, you know, the vaccine's not completely holding out and directly, he's kind of, yeah, I can see he's starting to walk back the efficacy of Pfizer. And then Joe says, well, we've heard about boosters. And if Pfizer's not doing too good against Delta, Scott, are you guys going to adjust just the dose so it covers the delta?

Joe's like, like that's a pretty reasonable question, right? The flu shot changes each year to kind of cover the strains. Gottlieb goes, no, he goes, it's just a dose of the same thing again. Joe Kernan, he goes, is that going to work? Even Joe was saying, is that going to work? All the media is, I think probably just by their nature. They've been sold on the vaccine, so they're very pro-vaccine.

but even Joe Kernan had to ask a really common question. If Pfizer's failing against Delta right now, I mean, basically a free fall failure is just juicing with some more Pfizer going to make a difference? I mean, think about that. Oh, man. Once again, you know, as I dig into, and I appreciate you come along and giving me so much of your time, Peter,

it just spurs on so many questions. And that's why I'm glad you gave me, well, I'm not glad. I wish you would have given me as much time as I needed. But I'm glad you gave me longer than, say, 15 minutes to just sit down and have a chat because there's just so much and the world is moving so fast and so many things are changing so quickly. You know, in Canada, I'm sure in the United States, we just opened up. We just had things going the right way. And then all of a sudden, now it's, you can already see the storm clouds brewing.

And I just think if people are listening to this and want to find some different things, you mentioned preventable treatment or early on treatment, sorry. Is there anywhere they can go to find that, like links, websites, and could you list off a couple of those just in case they want to take a look? Sure, and I'll be happy to send these to you. These are really important. So the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, that's kind of the lead organization that features early treatment.

They have chapters in every state in the United States. They have the listed treating doctors in the United States. they have a worldwide list of treating doctors, and they have the treatment protocols. The Truth for Health Foundation, it's a charitable organization. They also have the early treatment protocols. They're also an opportunity to donate. By the way, the American Association of Fish and surgeons, they don't take any donations, any third-party donations, but Truth for Health Foundation is a charitable organization.

Now, it's faith-based, and they are really raising the issue of vaccine safety. So if you want to find out about vaccine safety and what the faith community is looking at in early treatment, Truth for Health Foundation. Frontline Critical Care Consortium, FLCC, they're very popular. They've got very easy to understand protocols. They've got a list of treating doctors. You have the American frontline doctors, AFLDS. They are probably more based on censorship and freedom issues and things of this nature. You have the telemedicine services, really important. The big, one is my free doctor.com. It's head by Ben Marble, my free doctor.com. It's free. And so patients can make a donation if they want to. It works on charity. And they do an intake and they get

the medications prescribed and they know how to do it. They know how to get it through the pharmacies. They even will use mail order pharmacies as a local pharmacies would deny patients treatment. You have speak with an MD, a for-profit one, frontline MDS for-profit and there's others. but in the Truth for Health Treatment Guide is a list of all the telemedicine services. In Canada, there is a development of my free doctor.com, Canada, and that's being developed by Dr. Bed Marble, so the Canadians can look forward to that. In Canada, there are some leading treating doctors. Ira Bernstein in Toronto, Stephen Malthouse out in British Columbia.

There's, you know, some of the doctors have gotten famous. Unfortunately, like me, doctors who are just presenting the data. Charles Hoffie has been held up as a Canadian hero. Dr. Dr. Francis. Byron Bridle's another one. Brian Brigham, Christian Francis. You know, these hero doctors in Canada,

Jennifer Hibbard's another one, are out there. And, you know, Canada is very manageable. If you actually just treated your problem in Canada with early treatment. And I've always thought if the vaccines were used in a reasonable, not an indiscriminate way, but a discriminant way.

And I've always thought in the United States, it's maybe 5, 10, 15 million people vaccinated, the nursing homeworkers, and maybe the seniors in a careful way provided the vaccines were safe. That would be it. But when you try to vaccinate the whole population, kids, students, people who don't need it, all we're going to do is breed these variants. The variants are going to blow past the vaccines, and the vaccines are going to make things worse.

And right now, as you sit here today, the data are suggesting the vaccines are dragging out this pandemic. They're making things worse. And all we're going to do, you know, we've got the. the Lambda variant coming. That was because down in Peru, they over-vaccinated. And there's a paper by Arcevito that clearly nails that down. That Lambda is coming because of over-vaccination. Now we got to deal with that. We got Ada coming out of California. This idea, we can't vaccinate our way out of this. Even Lannis Pauling says, don't vaccinate for the common cold. It's a mess.

If you want to give a flu shot to some seniors or COVID shot to some seniors, okay. But, you know, kids and people like this, people like you and me, it's a cold. Come on. You don't need a vaccine for a cold. It's just easy treatment. There's just no way. And you don't vaccinate somebody to protect somebody else. That's the biggest falsehood. You know, I'm a doctor.

I'm in a hospital. They ask me to take the hepatitis B vaccine. It's not to protect other people. It's to protect me. If I got stabbed with a needle or a scalpel, I need to be protected. They ask me to take the flu shot. That's not for somebody else. That's if somebody from nursing comes in, coughs on me so I don't get the flu.

When you go to college in the United States, you're asked to take the Minidococcal vaccine. That's not to protect everybody else. That's to protect your kid because somebody, they could get meningococcus in the dorms. So vaccination is always for the person. So some in your age, you have zero benefit from the vaccine. Young people, anybody, any young person, there's no, because COVID's so easy and so mild and young people. And even our US FDA is speaking to you. They're telling you, don't take the vaccine, the vaccine that causes myocarditis, Pfizer-Madyna, of heart inflammation. We can't get it to stop. And people are being hospitalized and developing heart failure and there's been some cardiac deaths. Don't take the vaccine. The FDA is telling

us, don't take Johnson and Johnson, blood clots in women, age 18 to 48, Guillain-Barre syndrome, paralysis and people, Canadian authorities say AstraZeneca, don't take it. You get the, Bell's policy, also get the blood clots. So our regulatory agencies, despite the hubris, they're actually trying to tell us this. They're trying to warn us. But at the same time, the universities are saying, listen, we don't care about blood clots. We don't care about getting paralyzed. We don't care if someone dies. Take the vaccine. So something is in the minds of our university officials. The same thing that's in the minds of doctors, whatever's in the minds of doctors telling them not to treat is in the minds of university officials to say,

give the vaccine, and if it causes harm, we don't care. There's something about in the minds of people where they don't care about injuring others right now. And it's a really dark time in the world because of that. I'll let that be the last word. Well, I appreciate you giving me an hour of your time and I hope we get to do this again in the future but thanks again for hopping on Peter. Okay, thanks for having me. Hey folks, thanks for joining us today. If you just stumbled on the show, please click subscribe. Then scroll to the bottom and rate and leave a review. I promise it helps. Remember every Monday and Wednesday we will have a new guest sitting down to share their story. The Sean Newman podcast available for free.

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