Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #202 - Dr. Peter McCullough

Episode Date: September 10, 2021

Peter is back on for a 2nd appearance. A decorated doctor who has been vocal about treating COVID patients early before they ever get to the hospital. Some of the topics we discuss: early treatment, vaccinating kids, Pfizer FDA approved?? & the vax vs unvax debate. Let me know what you think   Text me 587-217-8500

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Hey, everybody. My name is Steele-Fer. This is Tim McAuliffe of Sportsnet, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Friday. We've been pumping out some serious episodes over the last, you know, a couple weeks, even month. And I don't know. Things just continue to speed up in the world around us,

and I'm trying my best to keep up with it. You know, Julie Pinaw, who was Wednesday's guest, episode 201, was let go from her job this week. And so, I don't know, it just keeps getting more and more real. And I think we all need to realize, you know, what's going on around us. And hence why reached back out to Dr. McCullough, he was, the listeners made it pretty evident that he was a favorite. They really liked how he spoke about everything.

I've really enjoyed him. It's been a guy that I've followed. He was more than happy to oblige. So here is the second part with Peter McCullough talking about a variety of topics. And I look forward as well to Sunday night. I got Dr. Governor coming on from here in Lloydminster. I'm looking forward to that chat as well. because as things continue to speed up with COVID and all the different things going on across the board that is affecting all of our lives,

I just feel I'm going to continue to try and push the envelope, so to speak, and continue to have these guests on and try and, you know, give you guys some alternative views. And not only that, just try and get some information out to you to get your brains working and thinking. and well from what I've heard from all of you it's been pretty evident you've been enjoying it and we'll continue to try and bring you different guests to hopefully spur on some thoughts as we move forward here into the fall all right so let's get on to that t bar one tale of the tape he is an internist cardiologist epidemiologist he maintains certification in internal medicine and cardiovascular disease he practices both internal medicine including the management of common

infectious diseases as well as the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing after COVID-19 vaccine from Dallas, Texas. He has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published the first synthesis of sequenced multi-drug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine. He has 46 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on their medical response to COVID-19 crisis in the Hill and on Fox News. On November 19th, 2020, he testified in the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services,

Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response. He has had one full year of dedicated academic and clinical efforts in combating the SARS-COVID virus and in doing so, has reviewed thousands of reports, participated in scientific Congress's group discussions, press releases, and has been considered among the world's experts on COVID-19. I'm talking about Dr. Peter McCullough. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. Peter McCullough. So first up, I guess, thanks for joining me again, Doctor. I appreciate you giving me some of your

fleeting time because it seems every time I check in with you, you are an extremely busy man. Oh, thank you so much. I'm actually texting you. I'm texting the patient right now on she had COVID-19 and she had heart disease and a mechanical valve replacement and obese and a smoker. And you can imagine her getting COVID-19 with congenital heart disease. She had had multiple thoracotomies, 12 different prior surgeries, smoker obese. We were looking at trouble. I can tell you that. patient had, you know, a very high chance of being hospitalized and going on mechanical ventilator. Well, she received state-of-the-art sequence multi-drug therapy. And, of course, it spread to her

parents. And then they got it. Then they also appropriately received sequence multi-drug therapy. She's about 40. Her parents are probably in their 60s or 70s. And they all live in the same household. And she just texted me and I said, give me an update on your parents. But as introduced, I'm an internist and cardiologist. I'm an academic practice in Dallas, Texas. I see patients every week like those. I stay in close contact with my patients. I do treat COVID-19 as a part of being a board-certified internist and medical specialist as a cardiologist. In fact, that's what internists and family doctors and medical specialists should be doing. They should be treating COVID-19 to reduce the risks of hospitalization and death. I have a strong academic standing. I have over 650

publications in the National Library of Medicine. That's as much as any media doctor you're going to see on TV or on the radio or on podcasts. I have over 45 papers on the pandemic, COVID-19, including the two seminal papers, teaching doctors how to treat COVID-19 at home with sequenced multi-drug therapy to reduce hospitalization and death, reduces these events by 85%. I've been solid on the citations and the data, helping Americans guide their way through the pandemic. And a lot of people seek out my advice because I am just clear on the scientific information. It is fair for them to do so because in medicine, no two doctors agree, and we always get second opinions. And so if our agencies or academic medical centers or other associations make one proclamation or another,

it's perfectly fine to get a second opinion. In many ways, I'm the doctor of second opinion for the United States and Canada. I'm happy to be on with you. Well, I got to speak to the listener right now because I've been saying this a lot off air. I didn't broach this subject until, you know, over the last maybe month, month and a half. And before that, kind of here and there, because it was taboo, Peter, as you know, I mean, you're a doctor and it's taboo. But I feel like I've done a real disservice. And I think media has done a real disservice to everyone because now the ability of like, to be labeled misinformation, to have no, like, background. And now the thing is, here where we sit right now.

The first round of COVID, I would argue, didn't hit our area that hard. But Delta's very, you can see it. And listen, I get texts, and I know friends and family. I now know people who've been in the hospital, that type of thing. And so I feel like I'm playing catch up on trying to get people like yourself on to not only talk about it, but then talk about how people can be on the offensive. I think. I think for too long, we've been on the defensive side of this, where we just sit back, and I've heard you talk about this, where we just sit back and we don't do anything. Well, we can do

things by listening to people like yourself and finding the protocols, the early treatments. And so that's where I want to start. I want to start with this. How is this a nice, simple question, how is this different from the flu? Because I feel like the people squabbling on Twitter and things think, this is just the flu, this isn't just the flu. And they get in this huge argument. How is this different than the flow? Well, I think you really hit it, Sean. You know, you're a big bruising hockey player. Canadians know about hockey.

You can't win a hockey game by just playing defense. Can you imagine if you never cross-center ice, you never actually went on attack, you never made a pass and went for the goal? All you did is play defense. Can you imagine with this pandemic, the official advice is play defense. Don't try to attack the virus at all. Let the virus go ripping through the population. and when people come into the hospital, just give minimal care, put them on the ventilator,

and if they pass away, they get counted as another statistic. That is the worst overall profile I've said from the very beginning, attack this virus, go on the attack. It's very different than the flu. Influenza is a virus that does tend to have a predilection for older individuals. In general, it's a milder illness. And when there's severe influenza and patients die, it's actually due to superimposed bacterial infections.

So my last patient who had influenza serious case in the hospital, he had superimposed staphoccal pneumonia. Now, COVID-19 is very different. When COVID-19 strikes, watch out. So it's viral replication early, and it doesn't lead with the sore throat. It leads with this nasal congestion fever, kind of this frontal headache. loss of taste and smell, very little sore throat. And it seems at first like it's just a head cold. And every patient who I've ever had get sick has always said, Dr. McCull, I think I have a mild case. And I said, you know, everybody thinks that. But the name of the virus is called SARS, SARS-CoV-2,

sudden acute respiratory dress syndrome. That means it starts out mild and suddenly it can get worse. And why does that happen? It's because the virus, after it replicates billions and billions of times, in the body, it trips off inflammation, led by an interesting constellation of inflammatory factors we've never seen before, including interleukin-6. There's lymphocyte depression, which we don't usually see. And then the very unusual thing about COVID-19, the syndrome, is blood clotting. And we know that the spike protein on the surface of the ball of the virus trips off the blood clotting system. It damages blood vessels. And when people have low oxygen saturation, that's not the virus. That's not inflammation. There's blood clots filling up the lungs. And when,

patients die and have autopsies almost uniformly, they die of blood clots in the lungs. So with this viral infection, we have to treat the replication of the virus. We have to treat inflammation. And very importantly, we have to anticoagulate. Okay. Well, I'm going to, I want to push you on early treatments because I know a lot of people, heck, my, like I hear your phone dinging it. I'm going, man, you don't have time for this. So I'm really happy that you're making time for this. Because there's so many questions coming in. I told you this before we started. When I entered into this realm, it's more of for me and my audience, but what's happened is nobody around me is talking about this at all.

And so one of the things that gets brought up on the podcast now over and over again is Ivermectin and it's effectiveness and all these treatments and et cetera, et cetera. So here where we're at, there's no doctors willing to prescribe it. Pharmacies have pulled it. So then, you know, I live in a farming oil patch country that people are pretty smart or, you know, people label them dumb. It doesn't matter. So what do they do?

They go to the vet side of it and they start taking the horse ivermectin. I'm wondering, are there protocols that don't include ivermectin? Because I've read enough on the protocols that it isn't like just take a tablet and ivermectin and you're good. Like this is an extensive thing and I think people really need to understand that and really need to understand that if they're having any symptoms, I believe regardless of age, maybe you can correct me on that. They should start the protocols so they never get to the severe.

side of this? The beauty of sequence multi-drug therapy in the state-of-the-art paper was published. I'm the first author, but I had, listen, I had 57 co-authors, including the leading doctors in the world treating COVID-19. In December of 2020, reviews in cardiovascular medicine, that protocol is still the most widely used in the world. These are, by the way, American Journal Medicine, the first paper, reviews in cardiovascular medicine, the most downloaded and utilized papers in all of COVID-19 been utilized in millions of cases. Other protocols use the same concept. Now, I give great credit to the Frontline Critical Care Consortium, American Frontline Doctors, the Treatment Domicillery Group in Italy, Panda in South Africa, Burden Heart in the UK,

COVID Medical Network in Australia. All these networks use principles, and none of these protocols rely exclusively on a single drug. So one of the best ways to lead off, and we heard this with podcaster Joe Rogan. He received the monoclonal antibodies as former. President Trump did. Governor Abbott in Texas, post-vaccination got COVID. He got the monoclonal antibodies. So we love high-risk seniors to lead off with monoclonal antibodies. You have them in Canada. Canadians need to call their hospitals, demand them, figure out where these monoclonal antibodies, get an antibody infusion as an outpatient. We can even have home care nursing give these

and then start the sequence multi-drug therapy. Sure, we can use ivermectin. That's well-supported. The 61 studies, 31 randomized trials, four major organizations supported in the United States. We heard some nefarious communication coming out of our agencies in the American Medical Association that it was only for use for horse deworming and that there were calls to the poison control center, that people were overdosing on ivermectin. Well, trial site news busts that wide open. They called the National Poison Control Center. They got the data.

There were zero deaths. These were just calls regarding dose adjustment. How do you actually use the product? Now, we recommend the human ivermectin, but the veterinary iburemectin actually is the same medication, just like veterinary ferrosamide and veterinary dexomethacillin, you know, antibiotics. We use veterinary products that are medicinally the same as the human products. And so it's simply a matter of getting the milligrams correct. We certainly advise using the prescription ivermectin.

That's the way to go. but that drug is safe and effective. The drug itself is won a Nobel Prize. It's in our government documents to use to treat. For instance, Afghan refugees are getting ivermectin, according to the 2019 U.S. guidance documents. So we have great support for ivermectin, but it's not critical.

We can use monoclonal antibodies. We can use ivermectin. We also use hydroxychloroquine, supported by 250 studies, azithromycin, doxycycline. Then we use inhalibudesinide oral predestine, prednisone, oral colchicine, oral full dose, aspirin, you can have that at home, and then anticoagulance, oral anticoagulance, or low-micrarihapparin for high-risk people. We're talking seniors, people over 50, multiple medical problems, young, strong guy like you, Sean, you can breeze through

this, none of this. You don't need in this medical treatment outside of a nutraceutical bundle, zinc 50 milligrams, vitamin D, 5,000 international units, vitamin C, 3,000 milligrams per seat and 500 milligrams twice a day. And the newest thing we've added is oral and nasal hygiene. One of the things we're finding out with Delta, two studies, one by Chau, one by Louis, show Delta people are carriers. They are massive carriers. They're carrying 251 to a thousandfold increased viral load compared to the legacy strains. And so that's the reason why Delta's so hard. These people walking around are carrying massive viral loads. How do we treat that? We use betidine or the brown solution, and palvidone hyidine that we use to sterilize wounds.

You can buy a plastic bottle of this, Sean, put a couple drops in a glass of water, it turns of water brown, swish it, spit it out, don't swallow it. You can spray it up in the nose, a cut tip of the nose, and you can actually zap the virus in the nose and mouth, do it twice a day. Our dentists have been doing this all year long. There's been no dental outbreaks. I learned this from Paul Gossett, leading anti-infected dentist. He just texted me last night that he got point-blank exposure from a COVID patient.

He upped his to four times a day. he actually treated the patient degree of viral shedding. He never got the virus and she had a mild course. So we use this oral nasal program. If allergic to iodine, we can use dilute hydrogen peroxide. We can use dilute sodium hypochlorate, which is actually just even household bleach, a few drops, swish and spit, don't swallow any of these or oral listerine in a decent, in kind of descending order.

But the pelvic down iodine, almost everybody who is still susceptible ought to have a bottle of paladone iodine. You can actually order sprays on Amazon or other mail order catalogs. But the bottom line is we have oral nasal hygiene, sequence multi-drug therapy. No single drug is essential. Dr. Berentios in South Africa, in South America, Dr. Chetty in South Africa, do protocols, no ivermectin or hydroxy. None. So Canadian doctors who say, oh, I can't prescribe I have myromethidroxy, fine. Just follow Chetty or Borantios and use the anti-inflammatories, antihistamines, steroids, and antichaginous, but treat patients with COVID-19. Don't deny Canadians treatment for COVID-19. Well, it's been, A, that was a lot. So I'm going to, I'm going to

bug you in an email after to send me a couple of those so that I can pass along people, because people are going to ask me for all the studies. People are going to ask me for these treatments, where to find them. I guess I should point this out. Again, we talked about it last And I should point out this is your second time on the podcast. So if people want to go back a few episodes, they can hear our first sit down and where you talk about a lot of this as well, Peter. But is there a couple of online resources that people can go to if they want to look into early treatments that you're recommending? The best sources are Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, AAPSonline.org. They have the list of treating doctors and the updated protocols.

Next would be the frontline critical care consortium. Now, they have a little different protocols. They have really great names, you know, Math Plus, IMath. They even have a recover protocol for long COVID. These are innovative, creative protocols, evidence-based. Now, the American frontline doctors and then the Truth for Health Foundation, these are all sources to go to to get critical information. Canadians and Americans have to push their doctors.

Right now we estimate we got 500 heroes in America trying to treat the whole country. And we got a million doctors, half a million nurse practitioners and physician assistants sitting on the sidelines. Americans and Canadians need to push their doctors. And they need to push a doctor and say, treat me. And if you're not going to treat me, make a referral. And I want to see some pressure on these doctors to get them off the sidelines. Doctors are frozen in fear. They are so fearful.

of treating COVID-19 right now. They're in a grip of fear. It's 18 months. This can be done by telemedicine. Doctors, like myself, I took a lot of risks. I got COVID-19 myself in October. I was treating patients. I had the British grant.

I was in an FDA approved protocol. I took hydroxychloroquine and drugs in sequence. I did it myself. I had pulmonary involvement. I got through it. Sean, I exercised on day eight. I was really short of breath. You can exercise outside, no mask,

plenty of fresh air. One can, as long as there's no fever, you can actually exercise your way through COVID-19. We encourage athletes and others to do that. And I can tell you, I had the British variant by sequencing. Now with Delta, I've come face-to-face on some house calls with patients, red-hot with Delta, face-to-face, no mask, no personal protective equipment. Sean, no Delta in me, because I'm immune. once somebody's had COVID-19, no matter what the strain, they have robust, complete, and durable immunity. You don't have to worry about it anymore. You can go back to work.

Somebody comes in sick. Not going to get COVID-19. Peter, you're sounding like a crazy guy right now because what they're saying is, even if you've had COVID-19, get the vaccine. You're not, natural immunity doesn't carry over. Like natural immunity is an ugly taboo word. There's another taboo thing. You're telling me, if I've had COVID-19.

that you have immunity and carry on with life. Natural Beech synthetic hands down. There are 15 studies that show that a good one to code is by Shretha and colleagues Cleveland Clinic, 2,500 unvaccinated COVID-recovered workers go back into the workplace, face COVID, ambient COVID at a high rate in the Cleveland Clinic, zero cases of infection.

Even in less well-defined cases, Merchew and colleagues from Ireland, and summarize 615,000 individuals, 11 studies, and the rate of ever getting COVID, even in a shaky initial case, was 0.2%. The CDC on our website has thousands and thousands of vaccine failures, getting hospitalized. Listen to vaccine failure gets hospitalized. They've got a 20% chance of dying. These vaccines are failing big time. You know, they don't have a single case of failure of natural immunity, not a single case on the CDC website. Hmm, that is, that is very intriguing because that's not, like I say, the messaging we're getting

anywhere right now, which is, which is really interesting. You, uh, you find a way to make me, uh, my brain hurt every single time. I'm sure my listeners are going, well, what now? I got to, while you're rattling off all these studies, it always impresses me that your brain can take that knowledge and be able to spit it back out like that. Where are you, like, is there a single place where people can go to to find the studies you're talking about? talking about or is there like could you can they have access to that like is as simple as just a website and they go read well there's a variety of sources uh there's leading sources so for instance all the websites that i mentioned they they clearly have updates and posts yeah many can follow me

on america out loud talk radio the mccullough report and i summarize most of these updates i talk to international people all over the world this is a worldwide pandemic and what americans and canadians are not seeing is there not seeing any view of the outside world aren't you kind of curious about other countries that don't seem to have a problem with COVID? What are they doing differently? I've talked to leaders in India, in Malaysia and South America elsewhere, because I want to find out what's going on. So I do that on the McCullough report. I'm not nearly the skilled podcaster that you are. I'm doing the best I can. I'm just a doctor, but I'm doing the best I can. One of the things that I've done is early on, we formed a communication system called C-9.

It's just a list serve, but people post very important updates and almost all the citations I initially find out through C19. So anybody who's interested, they certainly can message me through America Out Loud and get them on C19. And it's growing. We have Nobel Prize laureates. We have key, you know. So if they want to get access to all the different data sources, try and find a way to get, or how do they message you? Just messages me through America Out Loud Talk Radio. It's real easy. I go on there, McCullough report, and you just drop me a message. And, you know,

the thing is, is that it's so intense that there probably are about four updates a day with about 12 new citations per day. The information pours in every day on COVID-19. So one of the things, so for instance, when an official FDA, for instance, in June of 2020 says hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. Don't use it in COVID-19. There's been hundreds of, of studies that have poured in since that time. And you know, our agencies never updated the message. You know, we had recently the head of our National Institute of Allergy and Immunology said that there's no evidence that ivermectin works. Well, again, no update. There's 61 supportive studies, 31 randomized trials. And you can see that our officials are grossly out of date. I mean,

they are months, if not more than a year, out of date on the data. This is all about staying current. and that's using my people listen to your podcast. Well, I got to throw this one at you then because after I've had a list of people like yourself on Peter, I've had a listener very, and I should go back to your comment about pushing on doctors. I was going to say, when you say pushing, I know exactly what that means. That means you can be compassionate and push on a doctor. You don't have to go in there.

I feel like right now people, the only way they know how to express their emotion is through yelling, anger, a lot of swearing, etc. We can be good people and still push on different people to try and find us different ways. And that's exactly what this listener did. He sent me off a long text, very, very, I don't know, not attacking, just bringing things forth. And he said, every credible paper published and peer-reviewed scientific journals say the same thing. The vaccine risks are very low and the vaccine is working well. What are your thoughts on

that? Well, the vaccine is in treatment. So let's go back to the sick patient with COVID-19. I think everyone agreed. The vaccine is not treatment. So the vaccine is an attempt to try to prevent the binary occurrence of COVID-19. So in treatment, just imagine a sick Canadian who's a senior citizen at high risk. That phone call to the doctor should be, listen, I want a monoclonal antibody infusion. We've got several approved in Canada. Where do I get one? Make a call and let me know when I can get it. If the doctor says, oh, I don't know, I don't do that. Well, then refer me to a doctor who does. Listen, that doctor has that responsibility. People call me all the time. I answer all my calls. If I can't handle it, I need to refer them. So right now that doctor needs to be called.

Canadian doctors are not being called for the monoclonal antibodies. They're not even being called. The patients are just, in a sense, giving up. And the next question ought to be, You know, I want to receive drugs in combination. And they can be looking at the guide from AEPS or Truth for Health and say, listen, I want Ivermectin hydroxychloroquine. The doctor recalls, recoils. Oh, I can't prescribe hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin. Say, fine.

I'll take doxycycline or xithromycin. Give me predeson, give me predescin. I'll get the aspirin myself and we'll make a decision about the blood thinners. How about the rest of the protocol? You know, listen, if the phone call was for asthma, that doctor would give some azithromycin and prednisone an inhaler, no problem. In fact, if the patient just said, listen, I have asthma, can you call me in some medicines? I guarantee the doctor would do that.

So this isn't that hard for the doctors to do this. Wonderful paper, Paul Alexander, Canadian scientist, published this, medical hypotheses, a summary of all the nursing home studies. And it turned out that almost anything that doctors did in the nursing home worked. There were some protocols that didn't include ivermectin or hydroxy. They use the other drugs I mentioned. That worked. Blood thinners in combination with steroids.

That worked. It turns out the answer is do something to take an edge off the virus. Answer, 60% reduction in mortality of just doing something compared to nothing. So I'll throw a hypothetical, well, not a hypothetical because it's actually playing out right now. And it's a different phrase or a different way of the vaccine question is. So initially our government here in Alberta, Saskatchewan wanted 70%. Right? 70% things are going to go back to normal while we're over 70%. And now they're starting to call it the pandemic of the unvaccinated.

So the hospitals are filling up. They've made it very clear. Go get vaccinated. This is the way. Is that the way? Like I'm sitting here as a young guy, Peter. And I'm having this, I'm having this like moral dilemma of like government. So society, everybody is pushing that the way out of this is to be vaccinated.

Now, if I listen to you correctly there, it's not that vaccinations maybe aren't working. Maybe they are working. But is that the only way out of it? If we get 100% vaccination tomorrow, snap a finger, 100% vaccination, we add to this? Well, you can look to Israel. Israel vaccinated everybody they possibly could. Everybody who could took the vaccine, got it. They got Pfizer, 30 micrograms of messenger RNA a dose.

Pfizer, by the way, is the lowest or the weakest vaccine. Moderna is 100 micrograms per messenger RNA per dose. But Pfizer at 30 micrograms per dose. Israel is a great example. They were the darling of the vaccine world three months ago, hardly any cases. Now their Delta peak is bigger than their pre-vaccination peak. So they have more cases of Delta, more hospitalizations,

more morbidity and mortality with Delta than they had in their pre-vaccination peak. So it's obvious the vaccine in this. Israel has made it worse. Why? Because the virus mutated. We've always had the variance, about 12 to 14 variants. We've always had Delta. Why did it emerge as a dominant strain? It's obvious. It's resistant to the vaccines. Delta now can live in a vaccinated person's nose and mouth. No problem. I told you the studies, 251 to a thousandfold Delta carries. Delta is having a party in the vaccinated. Paper by Ivankana and Chrishnan showed that. That the antibodies from the vaccine can't hit Delta enough.

There's a paper by Israel, first author from Israel, showing that after Pfizer, for instance, the antibodies fall off 40% per month. It's a huge drop off. The antibodies don't cover it. They run out. The Israel paper, I think, shows 146 days. The antibodies run out. It just doesn't last.

The Israeli health ministry has Pfizer at 39% protection. Pyraneck and colleagues, Mayo Clinic, has Pfizer at 40. percent protection. I'll tell you, a vaccine that can't hit 50 percent protection and can't last a year, that's not commercially viable. I mean, by those standards, Pfizer is not viable. It's actually not a viable vaccine product. And this is a double down and saying, well, now you need a vaccine after a booster after a few months. It's ridiculous. And this recent paper by Levine Teffenbram from Haifa and from Tel Aviv, listen to these numbers, Sean. These are patients with COVID-19 sick.

This is what they have. 1910 were unvaccinated, 9734 vaccinated, and 244-245 were booster failure vaccinated. So the boosters are already failing in Israel, this idea of hurry up and get a booster. They haven't adjusted it to cover Delta. None of these. All the vaccines were coded against the original Wuhan spike protein. That's long gone. That's a legacy.

Even the FDA that met on Pfizer, August 23rd, just evaluated legacy data. They didn't evaluate any delta data. The whole meeting became a mess. There was no advisory panel. There was no briefing booklets. There was no public citizen comment. The whole thing was like a regulatory disaster. And what happened is Pfizer wasn't approved.

Pfizer just got a continuation of the EUA. Bioentech, the German entity, separate legally, medicinally, got conditional approval. That doesn't even exist. and they got an onus of carrying out post-marketing studies in myocarditis, and then a false talking point was generated by the meeting saying that Pfizer was approved. The president of the United States got on and said Pfizer was approved. That was incorrect. Pfizer was not approved.

This got so bad within a week, the person who signed the letter to Bioentac, Dr. Gruber, and another person from the vaccine regulatory part of the FDA, they resigned. So what does this tell you? This tell you that we're just in a regulatory disaster. People don't, people in the vaccine division of FDA, this is their Super Bowl. This is the pinnacle of their career. They are trying to execute a mass vaccine program in the United States. And we got people walking away probably in disgrace or shame or they just have

tremendous guilt about what's going on. The vaccines are failing and they're not safe. I got to think about what you just said. Is Pfizer-FDA approved or not? Pfizer is not FDA approved. That's legit? That's legit. We can send you the letters of the FDA to Pfizer, not approved.

Why then, oh, I'm having a hard time without a bombshell. Why then do all we hear is FDA approved up here? It's a false talking point that was generated by that meeting, and stakeholders, media people emanated out this false talking point, I think to help drive more vaccine mandates. And then we saw a whole wave of vaccine mandates because, quote, Pfizer is FDA-approved. And people are going to be disappointed because when they go to take Pfizer, there's not going to be any package insert.

The consent form is going to say that it's not FDA-approved because the consent form is not going to change. And so, you know, this is one of the biggest bait and switches of all time in regulatory practice for vaccines. And in point, in fact, Pfizer of all the vaccines is failing the most. Israel had an exclusive contract with Pfizer is failing. Interesting, Moderna, three times as much message RNA is holding up better. Moderna has had 72% protection from the Pyrana paper as an example. So one of the things that the United States that we're remembering about is no vaccine report card. We should have had weekly or monthly vaccine report cards. We should, Americans should know how are the

vaccines are doing. We have three products, Sean, at this point time, nine months into it. I can tell you they're not the same. We probably have a winner. We probably have a loser and we probably have somebody in between. Our governments need to come clean with us and give us a vaccine report card. Tell us which vaccines are the best. How can they be safely administered? Who's dying after the vaccine? Who's being hospitalized? How can we stop that? And how can we move forward? If we're going to have a vaccine-based policy, we've got to do much better with the data. an execution of the program. Ah, man, that's gonna, I think that I don't even know how to recover off that, that bombshell.

Like I say, that's it, that hurts my brain. I got to, I got to ask you here while I have you on. Here where we sit, there is a very, very big push to have children vaccinated. So 12 to 18. to the point now that if there's an outbreak or close contact at school, they are sending out letters that say if you're vaccinated, you can come back and self-monitor. And if you are unvaccinated, you should stay home and self-monitor. Obvious differentiation between two types of kids.

what are your thoughts on because when I've listened to you, Peter, I've heard you talk an awful lot even today about how vaccinated can carry the viral load. What are your thoughts on kids, the differentiation, like, does it matter if kids, like, shouldn't we all at this point be self-monitoring one? And then two, what are your thoughts on kids being vaccinated at that young of an age? Well, we should never have vaccine discrimination, never. And we're seeing all kinds of perverse discrimination. We're actually seeing discrimination against the vaccinated for certain therapies. For instance, some centers not giving the monoclonal antibodies if you're vaccinated, for instance. Like, why would, you know, receiving a vaccine, why would you get a step down in care as an example?

Recent paper by senior and colleagues, New England Journal of Medicine, and healthcare workers, University of California at San Diego, more healthcare workers who are vaccinated got Delta compared to the unvaccinated. So if you read that doing a journal medicine paper, you'd rather have an unvaccinated nurse than a vaccinated nurse because the vaccinated are carrying Delta. Same thing that carries into the school. So of course, you know, children who receive the vaccine, now they're primed to become Delta carriers, which is the last thing that we need. So the issue is really anybody under age 30, there is just no argument. that is in favor of the vaccine. We know younger people sustain more injuries from the vaccine. COVID-19 is like the form of the common cold. I recently saw a high-risk adult. I was in his house, examine him. I saw his two or three-year-old child. She had COVID. You know what? She was

playing on the floor. She had a runny nose. I examined her. She had a few ronkai in her lungs. And I saw her two days later. She's perfectly fine. So COVID-19 in children is milder than a cold. We would never vaccinate children for that reason. And we know that from the studies, Franklin colleagues, from the 12 to 15 age group, Pfizer, 2,200 kids vaccinated a vaccine versus placebo. The vaccine had no clinical impact. It prevented like 18 cases of the sniffles. There was no change in spread. We've never had young kids spread it to parents or young kids spread it to teachers.

Never happened with any significant degree. And on top of that, 60 to 8% of the kids got really sick. of high fevers. Parents were scrambling anti-piratics. About 30 kids took time out of school. So vaccinating the kids will only make them sick. It won't, it doesn't have any clinical impact. And in the school, trying to divide people by it unvaccinated is a fool's errand because they're very indulgent and they're passing it to one another, just like they're doing it in Israel. What we need is smart school policies. So this is what I would suggest is that Any kid, vaccinated or unvaccinated, who's sick, don't go to school.

Previously, kids with a cold used to go to school. Parents would go off to work. No, kids who are sick should stay at home. If a kid, vaccinated or unvaccinated, get sick at school, then a mask goes on, and then the parents come, pick up the kid. It takes about three hours of face-to-face exposure to transmit the virus, particularly to a vaccinated person. That's actually been studied and published.

So we have time to get that sick kid vaccinated or unvaccinated away from otherwise there shouldn't be any public masking and if the kid's taking the vaccine fine if the kid hasn't taken the vaccine that's fine too it doesn't make a difference the vaccine doesn't stop the virus have you uh I was listening to

actually I read a news article on it a ladies publication here in Alberta talking about different things that clean the air have you heard of any of those technologies being implemented and anything worthwhile coming out of it? Like, I'm not, I'm not expert on this, but I have opined on national TV that clearly

getting outdoors is winter. Studies from Singapore and others show you go outside, the kids really can't transmit. So, you know, you got good weather up there in Canada early on the fall here. Get the kids outside as much as possible. Get the classrooms aired out. Have the windows open. You want as much air exchange as possible. The last thing you want is kids in a glass room with no air exchange. You want plenty of time outside, fresh air, and even sick people with COVID-19, get those masks off, get outside, away from people, and breathe off the virus. Staying inside, closing the windows, all we're doing is rebreathing the virus. And remember when the virus hit Milan in New York, it was a disaster because all these people in these high-rise buildings were just, you know, rebreating the virus,

and it was just an awful situation. So fresh air and air exchange really does work. There is some hopeful news that there are sterilized. The virus is very easy to kill. We talked about killing it in the nose and mouth. It's very easy to kill with hand sanitizer. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some air exchange air cleansing methods that can help. But your biggest ally here is fresh air. Well, as we close in on fall and then into the deep dark winter of Canada, that's going to be tougher and tougher because to get outside, as we know up here, we're not immune to the weather and it'll get dark, cold, etc. I'm curious your thoughts then on sports,

and there's been rumblings now of mask wearing while you continue to play sport. Now, I'm starting to hear more and more that that is not going to be the case, that kids are going to be allowed to play sports without masks, but last year in particular, any kid that stepped on the ice, and I'm going to speak specifically to hockey,

had to have a mask on. What are your thoughts on, kids or adults in that particular exerting themselves and then wearing a mask at the same time. You know, there are no studies that show that the virus is spread through the sporting events themselves. I personally think the highest risk activities are public restrooms. So a public restroom where there's very little airflow, there's a lot of people in and out, there's coughing, sneezing. You know, the virus comes out the GI track. So you go on a restroom doesn't smell too good.

the virus could be in the air from that mechanism. And so I think public restrooms are the highest risk. Unfortunately, the virus is one micron. The masks filter out three microns. So the virus goes in and out of the mask flying. But if someone wanted to mask up before they go in a public restroom, that's fine. I wouldn't have any problem with it. But wearing a mask on the ice or in the auditorium, that doesn't have any scientific support.

I was on national TV on Fox News at Laura Ingram. and they showed a case of a girl, an American, who was running like a thousand-meter race, and she got to the finish line. She was wearing a mask because she was forced to do it, and she keeled over because she just couldn't get the air exchange to successfully finish the race, and she damaged her shoulder. It was really awful. I've seen pictures of swimmers wearing masks and the water. I mean, Sean, we can just keep going and going on this.

The bottom line is athletes that are in competition in one another, there's no reason to wear a mask. the fans in the stadium, because they're, they have, there's such big areas and the air exchange and outdoors, I watched the Florida State game this weekend, and they had people shoulder to shoulder, no masks. And even the Stanley Cup, now a couple of years ago, down stars, we were up there, we lost against Tampa Bay, but we had a good showing Tampa Bay has been strong the last two years. We could have filled those stadiums with COVID recovered people for sure. All these people suffer with COVID, where's the reward? Why are the COVID victims being blamed and pounded into the ground.

Why don't you get a couple free tickets to the game? I would have went to the Super Bowl and a COVID-recovered person. See Tom Brady, you know, win as a Tampa Bay buck. I mean, come on, sports fans out there, Sean, like you and me, we need to be back. And the mechanism to get back is to overcome our fear, understand the virus, understand the transmission.

Any one of us sick, don't show up to the game. Don't show up to practice. Don't be in the stands if you're stick. Give away your ticket to somebody else who can, utilize the ticket, use some practical judgment, and we'll get through the pandemic. I love how you slide some sports in here. That's, that's fantastic. I do appreciate that, Peter. Do you, do you see this, like, do you see how, like, this ending? Like, I know that's an impossible question to answer, but I feel like the public is sitting here going, you know,

if we just lock, you know, I'm going to speak specifically to where we're at. If we just follow the guidelines. If we lock down, if we hit 70%, and it just keeps going and going and going. And you're telling me the vaccines and everything that even if we got 100%, all we got to do is look to the world data and it just shows everything. So at some point, as human beings, do we just got to live with this and the risks that come with it? Is this the new influenza? I know those are large questions. But I'm trying to make sense of what we're walking into and how we get out of it. Like how do we get out of it? Early treatment is obviously one. Vaccines from what I'm hearing is obviously two, but at the same time, they're not effective to wipe this thing out. So where do we go

in the future and how do we get out of this thing? If I was to forecast, you know, I published a series of opinion editorials last year in the Hill where I needed a window to America to really give my guidance and this year through America, a loud talk radio, the McCullough report. If I was to put a prediction, on it, Sean, I think, believe it or not, I think we're into three to five years of this epic in human history. We're 18 months into a three to five year sojourn. And this is what I'd predict, is that the more we vaccinate, the more we fail. And we will allow super dominant mutants to come forward. I'm not against the vaccines. People in my family have taken vaccines. I've taken all the evidence-based vaccines. I can tell you, I think limited vaccination for high-risk seniors,

nursing home workers. And with a safe vaccine, the Novavax, which is the purified spike protein, it's like a tetanus shot. The Novavax looks far safer than the Pfizer-Maderna and J&J and AstraZeneca. So we ought to really look for Novavax third quarter of this year. That actually may be the savior. And I don't think anybody would have any qualms about taking like a tetanus shot, but it's for COVID-19. It may not stop everything, but it may take an edge off the virus so we can get through it. and then people can settle down. We clearly need early treatment, sequence multi-drug treatment. Merk has announced that they've got an oral drug coming. I'm not too hopeful on it. But listen, if there's a better drug to replace hydroxychloroquine, bring it on. This oral nasal hygiene really

works. And then we're ultimately going to have to get to huge amounts of people at natural immunity, people like me. I go about my world. I have zero concerns. I go out to restaurants, no mask. Now, I wear a mask at the hospital because that's policy. I'm a doctor. I don't mind that. Dennis, hairdressers, people with a lot of contact. It's fine to wear a mask. But you think I'm going to go out here today, Sean, and go jogging and wear a mask? Get it. You know, if I go to a concert, I'm going to go to a concert on Monday night, Eric Clapton, who, by the way, Sean, he's a great guy. He reached out to me. He texted me, called me. We just saw him yesterday. I gave a nice overview of COVID-19 to the whole band, which is huge. We're going out to dinner tonight.

Super good guy. Eric Clapton is a great guy. Going to go to his concert, no mask. We're okay. His team has been vaccinated. They've got a good plan. If they do get COVID-19, hopefully they'll be mild and we can treat it. So we're not against the vaccines, but the vaccines should be purely voluntary.

We know that they're partially effective, if at all. And if we mask vaccinate everybody, we're just asking for trouble. All the experts have said, listen, don't do this. don't vaccinate into a pandemic because you're going to breed a super bug, just like we wouldn't put everybody on penicillin because we're going to get penicillin resistance strains. I mean, this is pretty obvious. Americans and Canadians know about this.

We need a lot of young people like you, unvaccinated, who get natural immunity. You become the immunologic buffer and protect others. How can a person find out if they have, obviously getting COVID is one way. But there's a lot of people, I think, that get COVID and I have no idea. And how do they find out if they've had it and they have immunity? Because to me, that just seems logical. Like tomorrow I'd be going to get the test to find out, oh, I had it. Okay, because you're right. Confidence is a huge thing. Listen, I've had COVID. I'm not worried about it anymore. You make a good point. And I encourage

anybody, I got a text earlier from a mother who said, my 19-year-old's got a red-hot fever has all these symptoms. And my first response was, did you, get a test. So anybody acutely sick and you with suspected COVID-19, get a test, get a PCR antigen test, hopefully a PCR cycle thresholds below 25 so you know you've got the real thing. Antigen test is fine. And get it documented. Document the case of COVID-19. Once it's well-documented, that's lifelong immunity as far as we can see. So you want to document COVID-19. Super important. But what if it's someone like you and you think you may have it, but you missed it? It was early on. You can get antibody test. Now, the antibody test now are available against the nucleocapstid, against the ball of the virus,

Roche, Abbott, Orthoclinical Diagnostics, Quest, Lab Corp. You can actually order anti-spike protein antibodies. Those are the antibodies raised by the vaccine. So we actually have a lot of antibody sophistication. Get an antibody test. If you hit positive on the commercial antibody test, I'm not talking about the strip test you can get at urgent care, but the real laboratory approved assays, you hit those, you're just as good as a well-documented case. Again, completely immune. If the antibodies aren't there and they always fade away in everybody, the real litmus test is called T-detect. T-detect, T-hypen-detect, go online, sign up for it, and then you can get approved by the lab director, no doctor needed, and then get your blood drawn at Lab Corp, Lysendipobotumist out and get a T-detect test.

That looks for minor chromosomal rearrangements, epigenetic changes to the chromosomes that show that your T cells are ready to defend you against COVID-19. So we actually have a lot of laboratory sophistication, Sean. We even have home tests here in the United States that people use just to, you know, have one on the shelf and you get sick at home. Instead of wasting time in urgent care, just test at home and document COVID-19. I think that's all really good, relevant information because as this thing can, continues on and you're talking about three to five years possibly, and we're closing in on, you know, year two, I see the divide of people and how government is pushing the divide of people. And I just hear what you're talking about.

And I just, I go, we've got to find a way to come back together and become more, you know, I don't know if that's, I have no idea if that's possible. But at the same time, by opening up the conversation, I go back to what I earlier said, I feel like I've done a disservice to myself and everyone else because for the long, time I didn't want to touch the subject because of the hatred at bruise from both sides, which is wild, but at the same time, by not talking about it, none of us have any clue what's going on because nobody's talking about it other than case counts, people are sick, et cetera, et cetera, to the point where I've seen videos now of guys going around here,

where I'm from. And not in Lloyd, I should point that out to listeners elsewhere, bigger cities with cameras, hidden cameras going around the hospitals, trying to, and I'm going, that's a recipe for disaster too. Like don't, like, I don't think anybody wants the invasion of privacy to see if that's going on. And that's just seeding more dissent and everything else. I think we need to find ways to open up the discussion so people are willing to talk about it. Doctors are willing to talk about it and talk about what they're seeing and how we can get ahead of this and everything else. Now, with me closing in on time on you, Peter, I had a faithful listener asked me, he goes, he's so confused and he, he started it with listening to you about the MNRA vaccine being new technology.

But then there's the opposite side that MNRA technology has been around four years and then it's proven and that there's no, nothing new about this and that Pfizer did trials on 40,000 people to start this off. Could you maybe unpack just briefly, and maybe that's a large question to end this off, on how the mRNA, vaccine is different from typical or the early on vaccines? Typical vaccines are either a dead virus, a crippled virus that can't hurt you or a protein. Those are typical vaccines. The vaccines that exist now are either messenger RNA or or endoviral DNA, which actually inject genetic material into cells. This is very different. These platforms have been around for a long time. They just never been used in any product, and they've never been used on a wide scale.

Many of them have failed because of either too much toxicity or they just couldn't produce the protein target in an adequate quantity. They were tried for heart failure, cancer, fabri disease. None of them ever worked out. They were injections to be planned to give once a month basis. But we know the messenger RNA is synthetic messenger RNA. it's got strong nucleoside caps that don't degrade. So normally, messenger RNA is used once and it's degraded, then another piece once. So natural message RNA is just ephemeral based on its biology.

These messenger RNA, now when we get an injection of Pfizer-Maderna, we don't hit every cell, but we must hit a mosaic of cells. We know the lipid nanoparticles go to sensitive places. We've never had a vaccine, for instance, go to the brain before or go to the heart, But we know for certain that Pfizer-Maderna, J&J, they go to the brain, they go to the heart, they go to the bone marrow, other sensitive organs, they go to the ovaries and testes. We never hit these sensitive organs with a vaccine before. It's really disturbing to think about it.

They install the genetic material, and then the spike protein is generated within these cells in these sensitive organs. The spike protein is expressed on the cell surface. The body attacks its own cells in these organs. And then the spike protein breaks free. circulates for at least two weeks causing damage to blood vessels and blood clotting. What I'm describing is a vaccine that has a dangerous mechanism of action. You're right, these platforms were around, but they were always trying to install a normal protein, but instead we're installing a

dangerous abnormal protein, the original Wuhan spike protein. That's what's so disconcerting about the vaccine mechanisms of action. Everything we've learned since the release of the vaccines, And you're right, there are 45,000 patient clinical trials, but everything we've learned since the release of the vaccines is not good. We've learned that they don't stay in the arm. They target these other organs. They go up into these sensitive organs. The spike protein causes damage. It causes blood clots.

The FDA and the other authorities have put warnings on them. They admit it causes heart damage. What kid like you is going to take this vaccine and get heart damage? You don't want that. It's not worth that. Johnson and Johnson, Astrozenica, causing paralysis or neurologic problems,

blood clots. Again, it's just everything we're learning about these platforms is bad. There's not a single bit of it's good. Well, as we close it on time, because I'm going to make sure this time I don't run you over.

Thank you. You've left me with so many more questions, and I'm sure that the listener is thinking the same, which means at some point I'm going to have you on yet again. Now, while we close out, I got to know. We'll do the Crude Master final question. I didn't do it last time.

And normally it's five. But with you and time constraints, we're going to leave it to one final one, a nice, easy one. I listened to the McCullough report. Who are you actively trying to get on? Who do you want to get on on your podcast that you think would be very beneficial

for people to listen to or who would you direct people? Like, who are you interested in sitting down with, I guess? You know who I really want? I want the interested learners. I want the people in the middle, the mothers and fathers that can help educate the children and help educate the seniors. I think it's really hard. I know so many people are in the 70s and 80s.

They're terrified. They need help from their children. I know so many small children, you know, they're innocent victims. They don't want these vaccines. And we want that middle layer. I want to say 20, 30, 40, 50 year old range who both kids, they're in the sandwich generation. They can influence people above them and below them. and think about the range of information we've covered today.

Our range has been tremendous. We've covered tons of drugs, tons of citations. We've covered testing, public health strategies, and a path forward. So you can't get more information in a single podcast. I think it's a shame that our federal agencies have fallen flat on all of that. You can't go to a single communication from Health Canada or your provincial authorities and get the quality of information that you get in your podcast. Well, I appreciate you.

popping on, Peter. I wish you all the best. I'm sure we'll talk soon. And once again, I just really do appreciate the work you're doing and that you're giving me, you know, close to an hour of your time yet again. Okay, thanks so much for having me. Thank you. Hey folks, thanks for joining us today. If you just stumbled on the show, please click subscribe. Then scroll to the bottom and rate and leave a review. I promise it helps. Remember, every Monday and Wednesday, we will have a new guest sitting down to share their story. The Sean Newman podcast is available for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever else you get your podcast fix. Until next time.