Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. #209 - Ph.D Chris Montoya

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

Tenured Psychology Professor at Thompson Rivers University in British Columbia discusses social contagions, whether you are being manipulated & how you can turn your immune system on & off with just thoughts.   Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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Let's get on to that T-Barr-1, Tale of the Tape. He has his bachelor's in science, animal behavior, psychology from the United States. University of Lethbridge. He earned his master's in science electrophysiology and his PhD in brain and behavior psychology from the University of Calgary. His postdoctoral placement department of experimental psychology, stem cell research at Downing College University of Cambridge, England. He's a tenor professor at Thompson Rivers University in British Columbia. I'm talking about Chris Montoya. So buckle up. Here we go. My name is Dr. Christopher Montoya. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. Chris Montoya. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. No problem at all. Always a pleasure. Now, I stumbled upon you, a fellow, while he interviewed you and then I interviewed him, and that was Dr. Peter McCullough.

So I listened to you talk on his podcast and went, wow, that was fantastic. Hence me reaching out to get you. Before we get into it, all of our audiences now need to know who the heck they're listening to as we talk about the things that go on. So I guess I'll start you off with if you want to give a little background on yourself, Chris, so the audience can get a feel for you. Sure.

Well, I'm a dual citizen, Canada and the United States, one of the rareties, right? I have a BSC, MSC, PhD in brain research, oddly enough. And I got my undergrad from University of Loughbridge, my master's PhD, University of University of Calgary. And then I received an N-Cerc postdoctoral fellowship to anywhere in the world I wanted to go because I out-published people in my area in Western Canada. So I ended up going to the University of Cambridge, England, Downing College, Department of Experimental Psychology, where I did stem cell research, original stem cell research on Parkinson's disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, and Alzheimer's. I came back to Canada, went to a small little college to raise my family in beautiful British Columbia. It wasn't just for the fishing, but that was a big part of it. Great trout fishing here.

Anyhow, and so I've been at now Thompson Rivers University for over 30 years. And I'm an associate teaching professor. I stopped doing research a while ago. It was raising families takes a bit. So I have a son now who's a medical doctor and a daughter who's a lawyer. So it worked out really well. Married the same lady for 42 years, 43 years now. Well, congrats. What can you share on us? I get to interview a lot of, I've done a lot of archive interviews on community members from around me. Marriages 50 plus years. What can you impart on the audience that is a success of a long lasting marriage?

Sure. My wife and I have counseled psychologically for 30, well, geez, long time. Over 20. She stopped eventually. She got tired of it. But I'd always, when we have people coming with problems, I said, ask me how many times I've swore or cursed at my wife? Never. She's sitting right there, right? How many times have I hit my wife? Never.

Laura has the right to swear at me, has the right to punch me if she wants. But I'm a martial artist. As long as she doesn't hurt herself. And I have the right as a husband to say, I love you anyhow. That's what I have the right to do. I love you anyhow. So I am there to let her do as much as she can as a female. And she's really brilliant.

And that was, I lucked out. I chose very well. She had a bad day, I'm sure. That's great advice. Now, fast forward to where we sit today. The reason I wanted to have you on is I listened to you and Peter talk about mass psychosis. And I, I guess I just, where I sit, Chris, I just see the two sides of the population and obviously

one of them is bigger than the other right now. In their narratives, and one of them has to be wrong, or I think one of them has to be wrong. Maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know. That's why I got you on to talk about it. Okay. Now, these are called social contagions. And social contagion is an interesting thing in psychology. If a person is laughing, other people, start laughing you start smiling start frowning getting mad at it's what it's a contagion through a crowd and i like what you said one side has to be right can i tell you a little story am i sure oh oh yeah tell story sure yeah absolutely what i do with my students is this because i i talk post formal thought some people are stuck in concrete thinking other people have abstract thinking but about

one percent of the population i'm hoping this is you is post formal that means they can see both sides of an issue, which is really interesting. And in a free society, people who are post-formal have to speak out. And so a long time ago, people thought the earth was the center of the physical universe. You've heard of this. Yes. Yes. Along comes Copernicus, old dead Polish dude, who says, hey, guys, hold your horses, he says,

looks like the sun is, the earth is going around the sun. The sun must be the center of the physical universe. Heliocentric. It's a big fight. Geocentric. Heliocentric. Any al-Puripurninus gets chucked into purgatory for 400 years, toasts himself, and rightly so heretic that he was.

So fast forward to the 20th century here, Stephen Hawking, guy in the wheelchair, the brightest guy's in the world. He addresses this at a conclave in Oxford, brilliant scientists. And he says, you know, well, who was right? which one he says is just a matter of critical thinking i think that's what we are in canada right you have to be critically thinkers critical thinkers so he said all we have to do is define our terms

earth third rock from the sun fair enough the universe is an infinite or or finite is you go out certain distance you hit a wall that says end of universe he says no the universe is infinite right that's what the astronomer say it keeps unfolding he said although the problem people have of course is what we call center. While he still could, actually I'm up, you can see me now. So he drew a circle, do this way. And to the center of the circle, he drew a dot and he drew an R there, R's for radius. So in this circle, center is defined as a point equal distance from the edges. Wherever you draw that radius, the same distance, right? So here we have, earth, third planet from the sun, infinite universe, and to define,

center in our infinite universe, a point equal distance from the edges. So he said, okay, I'm on the earth, how high's up? Infinite. How far is down? Infinite, infinite, infinite, infinite, infinite. He says, by our critical definition in science, mathematically speaking, the earth is the center of the universe. So it proves it is. Oh, poor Copernica has burnt for all that time for nothing. Anyhow, but, and here it comes, we start counting. And it took 20 seconds for one of these physicists to put his hands up and goes, shaking, because he's in a room of 200 people of his peers, addressing probably the brightest guy in the room. He's, Stephen, yes, I think there's a problem.

Really? I love doing this to my students. I do it all the time to them. What's the problem? What did you run the sun? Great point. Great point. I'm on the sun, how high is up?

Infinite. Infinite. Infinite. Infinite. Infinite, infinite. He said mathematically speaking, he said, every point in an infinite universe is the center. He didn't find this too interesting, interesting mathematically. It might not be interesting mathematically, but psychologically we're talking with these social

contagions. It is mind-blowing. You have two theories, Freudian theory, humanistic theory, going at each other, which one's right? You have behavioral theory, Freudian theory, go ahead and each other, which one's right? My students ask me, Dr. Montoya, which theory is right? right. Well, from a different perspective, one I'd call logical, post-formal thought, they're both right from a different perspective. It depends how you want to spin it. We just have these old

sayings in the past because as a psychologist, and if you're good at this, if you're going to think tanks, then we are paid to spin things. Okay. Now, I can either confirm nor deny being in think tanks where we spin things to the public, but they're not really wrong. They're just from a certain perspective. perspective. That's right. So perspective shifts. And if you want to be Pfizer and earn a quarter trillion dollars, hey, it may work. If you're over 60, I would say taking Pfizer will limit your chance of getting COVID more than not taking it, but just still a roll of the dice. For myself, I told my students, you get the injection document, Antoine. Well, my rats and I, because I used to work with rats, have decided not to get an injection until the human trials are done. So when, when the The FDA finally gave it the stamp of approval. I said, I can do it now. But the spin.

So from a certain perspective, one's going to look right. From another perspective, one's going to look right. But I'll tell you right now, if they've got people like me spinning it, you'll never know. You'll never know. And why is that? That's a very interesting question. Sure. The average IQ of humans is, do you know?

It's 100. Average IQ of people who attend universities, 115. That's one standard deviation above normal. The average IQ of a master's, 122. Average IQ of a PhD who doesn't publish or do much, just gets his PhDs about 130. 130 is two out of 100 people. That's Mensa, right? You heard of Mensa groups, that kind of things, you know?

That's okay. however, if you have a PhD or a medical doctor, and you're publishing and doing stuff in major universities, you have IQ around 145. That's one out of a thousand people. Canadian genius. But American genius 160. And so these people think faster, more coherently,

and they've trained their brain. So you're born with a certain ability. And that's the nature side, The nurture side is how much you can actually learn or put it to use it or lose it. I guess you can see my muscles here. Bum-bada-bum-bum-bum. There's only one reason I can do that because I work out. And so I do things like this with my students.

You can try that with your own fingers. Good luck. I'm almost 70 years old. My hand doesn't shake. That's why I was a pretty good experimental neurosurgeon with my animals. I could do things under microscope and there was no shake. But you're wondering why people don't understand. They don't have, this is going to sound horrible.

They don't have the cognitive capacity to understand. So then what does the rest of society, the small number of them that do understand, who can see what's going on and going, this is like... Stupid? Yeah. Yeah. What do you do? A lot of profs at universities are very smart.

but, and here it comes. Here's the other side of it. Emotionally unstable. They're introverted. You know, extrovert, you heard of that before. Yes, absolutely. Introverted people tend to want things quiet.

If they're all people who yell at them, they just fold up. Very few, I would say, professors actually are extroverted or even ambrovert, which is the middle. And so when people yell at them, it's fine. What I do with my students, and they think I'm an unusual prof,

I tell them, please, stick out your tongue, call me old, fat, ugly, and stupid, please. And some do. And I go, oh, I'm sorry. You're mistaken me for someone who cares what you think. You see, as a prof, I have to have what's called professional distance. That means I have to be able to, this is academic freedom, right, to speak how we manipulate and we do the population for a better lifestyle in Canada. So are you being manipulated, do you think, Sean? Guaranteed.

Guaranteed. And I'll say right now, if you hate, if you live in anxiety or depression, we've got you. We've manipulated you. So that's 99.9% of the population then right now. Yeah, they're running around trying to figure out who to hate. Is it earth-centered? Is it sun-centered? Which one is it?

Point me the direction so I can kill this thing. No. No, you're not going to see that. So, can I jump ahead? And say this, that if you have any religion at all, and most major religions will say this, I think Jesus said it best. What do you have to be a Christian, to be a stable citizen? He said to love God, though, your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

And the second cycle of it, to love your neighbor as yourself, to love your neighbor as yourself. Don't hate anyone. If you don't hate, you're really hard to manipulate. I'll tell you right now. So if you want to change North America, I think I said this, another program too. You want to change North America, don't do it because you have. hate Donald Trump. Wait a saying. I got a visual here. I think. Oh, there we go. My visual. I wear this to class. It's not the best. I wear this. And my students, my students will start frothing.

They're tearing. And I should do all I'm going to wear my visual. And I'll say, do you think that Donald Trump knows who you are? Who I am? Not a chance. a chance. These are Canadians, right? Way up North. Not only doesn't he know, one second, there we go. Not only doesn't he know who you are. He doesn't care who you are. Gee, you is persistent. Okay. And so then I said, okay, so you must be, can you hear that. No, not anymore. Yeah, can you turn it off. It's always. No one doesn't know who you are. He doesn't care who you are. You must be American citizens. You could be able to vote. Can't vote. So I asked the question, well, all this hate then. all this anger, all this depression, you're feeling. Who's it really hurting? Just you? Just you.

So let it go, guys. If you want to change North America, if you want to seeing things get better, change it for the love of freedom and democracy. Exercise your rights to say no. Change it for the love of this way of life. Change it for the love of liberty. Like the French guys burning their car.

It's right. Liberté, liberty. Absolutely. Do it for that. And do it with joy. If you want to make yourself sick, do you know what my, students get sick. They get sick during midterms and they get sick during final exams. Why is that?

Well, because we know we've done studies when it was so ethical to do this. We do studies of students and we'd stick things up the nose to pay them 20 bucks and we see if they had any flu viruses. Well, we stuck things up the nose that had flu viruses and then we tell them, now we got your midterm results, your final results, you flunked her, babe. You can take this course again. And the other one said, hey, man, got your midterm results. A plus. The ones we told A plus to tended not to get sick at all. The ones we told they got Ds and Fs on their finals and midterms, got sick as dogs. Now later on they said that was probably unethical to do that. That's fine. That's not me. That's just scientists in general. The thing is this, within 10 minutes of looking

in the mirror and seeing loser or thinking bad thoughts by yourself, the immunoglobin A in your saliva drops to under 50%. You turn off your immune system. You have control over that. So when you look in the mirror, Sean, you should see your best friend. When I look in the mirror, I see somebody amazingly handsome and brilliant,

everything I'd want to be. My best friends in the mirror. And that keeps my immune system. Rocking. Rocking. That's right. But if you start hating and living your depression and anxiety,

you'll be turning that off. Then you'll be getting sick and you think somebody's making me sick. So let me ask you this question then. Because we have, you know, in Alberta, Saskatchewan right now, a huge crisis, right? Well, sorry, huge crisis. That's what they're calling, an emergency. Sorry, that's what they called it.

Yes. Yes. Could part of that then be what you're talking about? Absolutely. If you create this crisis of the mind, you'll cause more sick people. Yeah. But you're looking at a disease here that's highly contagious. I am not a medical doctor, but I just read this stuff, right?

I used to be an experimental neurosurgeon, but with animals only. So we got this disease that's highly contagious, but non-lethal to the majority of the population. Now, everybody in a free society has the right to read and to choose. But for the government to mandate, you have to do this or that. They're trying to look as if they're doing what's right, and they don't know what's right to do. They don't. This is a big best guess. But again, science does not deal in truth. Science deals in probability. So looking at the numbers and they're saying, best to go this way. But are they right or wrong? No, it's probability. It's inductive, not deductive. If I was sitting at the top, though, which I am definitely not, I'm just a minion in the cog. Sean, you would do a better job than our prime minister.

His degree is in? I think he's a drama teacher, isn't he? Drama teacher and he's running Canada. Yes. You do just as good a job. The problem is that I talk to my students, I say, you guys are future leaders of Canada. You guys do a better job.

You're probably smarter than the leaders in right now because people only get so smart, right? If people get too smart, then people can't relate to and they don't vote them in. So most people don't know the job. temperature water boils up. I've been in elevators with people that are running for office and they're erudite, educated, brilliant people. And as they're going down the elevator that loosen their ties and the conversation shifts, doors open there's a populace. Hi y'all. Thing. Yeah, they talk at different

levels, but when they get talking to their people in their in their writings, they they, they dumb it down. Is this too honest? I don't know. But this is psychology. This is how you spin it, right? You talk to one group for this, one group for that. Yeah, I just, I guess I'm really like, you know, we got the, in BC you have it now too as well, vaccine passport.

That's come across everywhere. You know, you got coming up here in October in Alberta, right? You've had 3,500 medical workers, staff sign a document saying they're going to walk off if they force the mandates on doctors. My body, my right. And instead of the government, you know, I don't know. I sit there, I just take a step back. I go, geez, there's some smart people there, right?

Like, it isn't just the regular Joe who walks in to be a doctor. I think it's worse than you think. How so? A long time ago. Not a long time. It happens all the time. It says it's Ontario. let's say. Ontario has this really spike in traffic fatalities. So they do a crackdown,

police crackdown, right? And this politician promises that there'll be a drop because he's going to fight these high things. Well, they know that there's a, these are demographics, right? And they follow a curve. So you get this high spike and they put in their police thing. But this thing would have dropped anyhow. They say, ah, the policies who put in place are working. If you look at history, be the history of these pandemics and we get them every so often they normally come out of china oh well anyhow but um a pandemic comes across and burns itself out in two or three years so after all these vaccinations this thing's going to burn itself out and they're going to say the vaccination was successful there you go and everybody's happy earth is center of the universe

or sun is doesn't really matter just which way you which side you're on when you spin it it's just the wrong thing to say we're going to be around is we're going to live through it We are the result of generations, people who have lived through plagues. Absolutely. I come from a, I joke about this every once in a while. I come from a stock that's pretty hardy because they moved to the middle of nowhere 100 years ago and survived minus 40 weather and tents. That's right.

We don't have to do much math now to go, oh, I wouldn't want to be doing that. Oh, and pick up farming when you have no background in it, right? That's right. And they survived. Not only survived, but prospect. prospered. And there were ones that died, but their genes were taken out of the gene pool. So the strongest genes survived and you get stronger and stronger. We've paid our dues. Yeah. So we're going to make it through this. But the spinning to make the fear and the anxiety and the depression, people are going to die.

Well, I make a joke of it. I say life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease. You're not getting out of this thing alive. Now, best we can, though, If it's not too much of a shot to my system, then I can help other people by getting vaccinated. I feel good about that. That's good. If I think this is a totalitarian step in the wrong direction and I don't get vaccinated and I feel good about it, that's okay too. It's a free society. We don't all have to think alike.

I've heard you say this. If you have a really good conspiracy theory, you'll never know it. Oh, God, yeah, that's right. We spin it. And we get a think tank going and we take a bunch of really smart people and we check all the little parameters. We make false trails here and here and here. So anybody who's looking for it, not going to find it. Nobody will ever find it?

Or if somebody finds it, they'll be considered something that nobody, nobody. Who shot Kennedy? Good point. Yeah. So are you suggesting then with Kennedy, it was a think tank that put so many rabbit holes in there you'd never find the actual truth. I can either confirm nor deny. Isn't that a great thing to say?

Yeah, a lot of things we get in, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. Well, things in the news. Canada has a little facility in Saskatchewan where they have some sort of germ study facility, we'll call it that, rather than germ warfare. And something walked out of that facility and went directly to China, right?

Did you read that in the news? I haven't read that part in the news. Here we go. Canada may not leave the world in atomic energy, but it leads the world in German and chemical warfare. Yeah. And if you have a propensity towards, you know, psychopharmacology at your hobby area,

they'll offer you jobs in these places. I'll take a look of fentanyl. Fentanyl, you know. Yeah. Do you know what car fentanyl is? That is the weaponized version. of fentanyl. And then if you aerosolize it, mixed with halothane, you get a real potent nerve gas. And I think the Russians used it on the Chesians back in the day and took out the people with

a bomb vest before they can push the buttons. So our level of knowledge in certain areas of psychopharmacology and viral is scary. What would Einstein say? Einstein said, probably the third war would be fought with atomic weapons. He said, or he didn't know what type of weapon was, but the fourth world war rocks. Six and stones, yeah, that's right. But again, I think I said this is another one too. Are atomic weapons so bad, really? We spin it, or think tanks that I've been in before, spin it to make it sound really awful, right?

Are they? And this we have to look at the data. But two cities that were nuked during the Second War were? Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Where are those cities now? Still there. Ground zero. So 70 years later, ground zero, the cities are flourishing.

You have a spike about 1 to 2% in cancer rates. What does that mean? Oh, that maybe not so bad. But I'll tell you when the scientists first developed atomic weapons, and they were going to push the button. There were two theories. One, single explosion. Two, an explosion that would ignite the atmosphere in nuclear fire and take out the planet.

Now, the one that said ignite the atmosphere. And it could have. It was only about three or four percent of the scientists thought that. 97% thought single explosion. What did they do? Push the button. I'm curious then. I just finished watching Chernobyl.

I am obviously behind the times because it's a few years old. obviously. And they talk about that, and that hurts the brain on, is your thought process the same then with Chernobyl as dropping a nuclear bomb? Oh, we could go worse than that. A place called CERN, Switzerland. Okay. CERN. You've heard of the CERN the Super Collider? Yeah. What do they make in there, do you know? Dark matter? Yeah, dark matter and mini black holes. What's a black hole? It sucks up everything. That's right. Probably one of the most dangerous. if not the most dangerous thing on the entire universe.

There you go. That's right. And they're making mini black holes. It should only stay open for not even a microsecond. They can study them exotic material that comes out of there. I call mini black holes bottomless pits and things come out of these things, right? Now, if they stay open for more than a microsecond, it'll take down Switzerland, Europe, whole planet goes. But again, there are 99% sure that wouldn't happen when they do.

push the button. One of these times we're going to roll the dice. Gee, I thought I was bringing you on to talk about one thing and you got my brain spinning and another. This is fantastic. This is all the same thing. These spins, right?

Yeah. They're looking for free energy. Will the population ever see free energy? No. Someone's going to make you pay for it. So someone is using public funds to create ways to make more money, which is it's fine. A lot of people think the fight is between capitalism and communism,

you know, there are no communist. countries anymore. They talk about communist China. The leader there, X-I, whatever his name is, he's a multi-billionaire. So are all communists in China billionaires? No. But I thought in communism, we share all things in common, not so much. Guy who runs Korea billionaire, or all Koreans billionaires? No. These are just, these are fascist states. They are capitalistic states, and they are dictatorships. What you're seeing is dictatorships fighting democracies right now. This is why I think In Canada, people saying, no, don't backs me with signs. That's wonderful.

And in democracy, I'm hoping that I have the right to stand in a street corner and shout something. This diametrically opposed to the other guy in the street corner and shout something. We both don't get beat up by the police. I like that. Because if I was saying this stuff in communist China or North Korea, you'd be a knock on the door and goodbye, Dr. Montoya. But I can say things like, you know, Trudeau, you know, what a dork. And I don't get disappeared.

I love Canada for that. I love freedom of speech. I love democracy. I love this place. And this is why people are running towards us. We build walls in North America to keep people out. Communist China, Korea, Russia, they build walls to keep people in because they don't want to be there. Especially ones that are smarter and have some ability to earn money.

They want to run. United States, Canada, Australia. That's what they're running to. What do you think Australia then right now? as they impose what's going on there. Yeah. Well, Australia, too, it's interesting. That's where all the prisoners went.

All the dissidents. So you're going to see a little different spin, but they still elect their government. And the government can be a little more stringent on them. That's fine. They're sort of draconian right now. But I still think that Australia is a better bet than North Korea. Well, hey, I will agree with you on that.

All you got to do is do a little bit of reining on North Korea or read some of the books on it or I mean listen to a few podcasts on it. Geez, just do a little bit of research and that is something else. Maybe I talk to you. Do you hear about Red China and they have so many million Muslim slaves picking cotton there? Yeah. Have you heard that? Yes.

That's wrong. You know, geez. But you can't say that in China. And probably it means I'll never be able to visit China anymore, officially or unofficially. Yeah. Isn't it's wild some of the stuff that goes on around the planet that gets, is allowed to go on, I guess. I'm not sure we've learned anything. I tell my students that human beings are top of the food chain omnivores, pack hunting animals, the most vicious killing creature on the planet.

And how did we get to be top of the food chain? We ate everything else. So we're vicious killing machines. We go hunting great white sharks. we go hunting grizzly bears and when that isn't enough for us anymore we go hunting Ebola and we make it worse than it is so we can play with it you see and so humans are out there just you know getting their giggles by dealing with vicious organisms on our planet that's that's the kind of people we are you know as we close in on time i got to know uh i chuckled at this words that bother you

good reasonable people sorry um i think they came to jesus christ and said, good master. He says, don't call me good. Only God is good. Guys healing the sick, you know, raising the dead. Good master, no only God is good. People aren't good. People try. And I think in Christianity, what I like about Christianity, it's a free gift to and no one can earn heaven. Make sense that in Christianity you can't earn eternity. It's a gift given by God, paid for by his blood. So me, I'll leave you with this then. When I get students in my office that are collapsed from this COVID stuff and they're just losing it. I asked them who they are because generally they're Christians in Canada.

And who are you? They don't know. You're a child of God. And I said, well, how long are you lived for, a child of God? Not much longer, I hope. No, child of God, you're eternal. What's your value? Best answer ever.

This is on the other show too. $5.41. What do you mean? That's how much I get if they ground down my bones for bone mail. No, you were bought with a price. God's blood. you're infinitely valuable. You're forgiven and loved.

So, child of God, eternal life, infinite value, forgiven for everything you have done, will do, or are you going to do by what Christ did for us and loved by God. And so, and this is a freebie. And I always say, I like that. You know, I like the freebie part out in Canada. I like freebies. And if you have that viewpoint, then your immune system is going to function really well. Well, in talking to so many different people over the last year, it's kept me sane and

get me pretty balanced, to be honest. I haven't been as stressed as nearly some of my close friends, relatives, coworkers, etc., have been quite, and that makes a lot of sense to me. Before I let you go, I do a little segment right at the end, the crewmaster, usually Final Five, but I'll keep it quick here as we're rolling on time. If you could sit down with one person, Chris, and do this to them, sit and pick their brain. Who would you take? Oh, wow.

You floored me. I've never been actually blank for an answer, but it would go all the way from people who work. Because I know that a lot of times people think that politicians have a lot of power. They don't. So it'd probably be a multi-billioner, but they're already doing things their own way. so um yeah bill gates maybe just have a shit to sit down with him your final one then uh you strike me as a man that reads a lot what's a book that's influenced you the bible but no doubt about it the holy bible um other than that see i've i've read so many books and i think solomon said it too

of reading books, there's no end. And I'll leave you with this too, that wisdom, with much wisdom comes much sorrow. A lot of people think, you know, we're wise, understand things, but once you get to our age, what does the world actually have to offer you? The smarter you get, the more holes you see in yourself.

And so, yeah, I picked the one. I'll do the Bible. The Bible's influenced me the most. All the textbooks I've read ever, science deals in probability, perhaps. If you want truth, you go to mathematics, philosophy, religion. Well, I appreciate you giving me some time out of your busy schedule. This has been fantastic.

It's been really appreciate you sitting down with me. No problem, but all, Sean. Have a great day. Hey, folks, thanks for joining us today. If you just stumbled on the show, please click subscribe. Then scroll to the bottom and rate. and leave a review. I promise it helps. Remember, every Monday and Wednesday, we will have a new guest sitting down to share their story. The Sean Newman podcast is available for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever else you get your podcast fix. Until next time.