Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. 51 - Spittin' Chiclets - Paul "BizNasty" Bissonnette

Episode Date: January 8, 2020

What a blast to sit down with an absolute legend. I mean Co-host Spittin' Chiclets, on the broadcast team for the Arizona Coyotes & co-creator of Pink Whitney Vodka need I say anymore? Just click, listen & enjoy.

Welcome to the podcast, folks. This was just so much fun to sit down with this guy and shoot the shit. Like, it was super cool. If you listen to podcast, you know Spitting Chicklets, and I got to sit down with Paul Bezinnett, or you might know him as Biznasty. And here's your factory sports tale of the tape. He was originally drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2003. He played over 200 games in the NHL, both for the Penguins and then the Arizona.

Coyotes. He boasts more than 1.1 million followers on Twitter. He currently does the color for the Arizona Coyotes. And of course, he's the co-host of the Spit and Chick-Lix podcast, which is the reason why we have Pink Whitney, a new Amsterdam product. So, needless to say, I was, I'm currently in Arizona, currently in Phoenix, somehow managed to run into this guy, somehow managed to talk him into letting me sit down with him for an hour. And I just had a blast. So strap in and enjoy the next hour. Without further ado.

Let's roll, baby. Okay, well, cool. Well, thanks. First off, joining me tonight is Paul Biznasty Bezinnett, originally drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2003. You played over 200 games in the NHL between the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Arizona Coyotes. But, I mean, you've made a name.

for yourself on Twitter specifically. You got over a million followers. You're currently doing the color commentating for the Arizona Coyotes. And I think you're an absolute legend with the podcast world, specifically the hockey world with spitting chicklets. I mean, you're an absolute legend with all of my friends back home. So fucking tummy sticks really early on here. Holy shit.

You're going to be stroking me off all episode or what? Hey, you know, it's an absolute honor to sit across from you. So yeah, you call it whatever you want. You and Wick can absolutely bust my balls, but it's awesome. Should we talk about how we met? I showed up to the ASU game and this fucking guy behind me is literally spit and chicklets. He had his tooth out and you were looking at me with like, I had three heads and

I'm like, oh, am I blocking the sky's view or something? You're like, and then of course you introduce yourself and you said you have a pretty nice little following. You said you get about, what, three to five thousand downloads an episode? Yeah, yes. And it's growing. It's been pretty cool. When you came and sat down in front of me, I looked to my left and my right.

I got my brother-in-law in town with us. He had no idea who you were. I got another gentleman sitting beside me on the left. He had no idea who you were. Perfect. That's the way I like it. Just fucking and then talk to him about nonsense. I'm getting everybody going.

Does anybody get who's sitting right in front of us? And I don't know whether to call you Biz, Paul, Mr. Beaz and that? I don't know what to say. So my mom calls me Paul. That's pretty much the only person on the planet that calls me Paul. But listen, it's been a great ride. And I mean, as far as your following is concerned, just keep plugging away. You know, I was fortunate enough where we had been, I had personally quite a few numbers on social media because that all started out when I was playing. I was kind of anti-Twitter. And my buddy Scotty Upshaw was like, you got to jump on Twitter. You got to jump on Twitter. You'd be perfect for Twitter. And I went home that summer. I think that was after my. second year maybe in the in the nchl maybe it was after my first i can't remember now it's been so long and c tv of course getting smacked in the head for so much for that long but uh i was sitting on the couch after training every day and i would notice that you know when you watch a tsn or or sports net or wherever it was you know all of a sudden you'd see a person's tweet come up and

then it got me more intrigued so one day after training i signed up and started it and it just it got crazy right off the hop because people are like, oh my God, this guy who plays professional sports is saying some pretty crazy shit on Twitter. But not a lot of people were on it. I bet you there was only a few teams on it. I don't even know if the coyotes hockey team had had a Twitter at that point. So I was joking around about the Colvichuk contract.

And I was like, oh, how many lap dances can you get for whatever he was going to sign for? Just being silly, really. and then after the NHL shut down his contract because it was very front-loaded and they were manipulated in the CBA some way, I wrote a tweet like, oh, sorry,

communist back to the Soviet because they rejected his deal. If I would have said that today, I'd be fucking done. I bet you they would have ended my NHL career. So my agent had caught win that I said that. And I was kind of like, guys, it's not racist.

Like maybe I guess you can consider it prejudice. And something that I would definitely not tweet out in today's age, nor am I hanging my hat on that tweet either. I mean, if I could take it back, I wouldn't have said it. So I get a call from my agent. He goes, hey, what the fuck is this Twitter shit? And I'm like, well, what do you mean? They're like, you got to get, you got to get off of this.

Nothing good can come of this is what he told me. So he goes, you might get a call from the league and get fine, suspended. Like, who knows, maybe they'll rip up your contract. So I got spooked. So I got off Twitter. I deleted my first ever Twitter account. I just got the fuck right off. Well, I get a call from the coyote's PR saying, hey, were you telling people that we made you delete your Twitter?

Because we have people messaging the team threatening to like cancel season tickets and shit if you don't let me get back on, let Paul get back on Twitter. So I told them what had happened and they said, hey, listen, we're going to allow you to get back on. Just tone it down a little bit. I mean, I have a very difficult time toning it down. But, you know, we slowly rolled it back in. That's why I called it Businessasty 2.0 and the rest is history. And I would say a lot more positive than negative has come. And for the first time ever, my agent was wrong where something good actually did come of it.

Did you send him a bottle of, or a bottle of case of Pink Whitney just to say you might have been wrong on that one? I think I gave them enough with 3% of those contracts. No, but on a serious note, I'm really close with Mark I, my agent. I had in my entire career. You know, that's the thing that I'm most fortunate for is all the relationships and people I got to meet along the way. And, and I think that I was,

I think I was destined because I love socializing and I love talking. There's so many different people involved with the game and fans of the game that I thought that this was my, my true calling because it brings joy to me and to see that it brings joy to others is what fucking, like, I mean, that's, that's like what keeps you going. And I know, you know, we, talked about your following and although maybe small on a on a on a comparison to chicklets but isn't it doesn't it feel nice is it slowly builds and you get people out even outside at the rinks

recognizing you it kind of feels nice doesn't it's like we're growing something we're doing something very positive for a game that's given us so much yeah absolutely no it's it's been a lot of fun and I mean you're on the top end of that and it's fun to track what you guys are doing and and I'm on such a smaller scale compared to what you're doing. But like you say, as it grows, it's a ton of fun to interview all you different successful people. Okay, so there's a few things that we can go with that. Like guys like Elliot Friedman and certain guys who are in media that didn't even have

the playing background, to me, I tip my cap and I say you guys have grinded and put the time in and the work in. and any of these podcasts that start popping up now and even in the future with other retired guys, I never wanted to be a conversation of like, oh, you're copying these guys or, oh, you're following this path. Because first of all, there was guys before us doing hockey podcasts, maybe not to the magnitude. And you're going to vibe with a past player, maybe more so than we did on our podcast, and you're going to bring more out of them. You may have a larger connection where you have friends who know him,

were to ask them about other personal stories that we would have never known. So like you guys interviewing Tide Omi would have came out differently than us interviewing Tideomi. FYI, fucking Tide Omi was, that was legendary, man. That was awesome. Yeah, it was funny to hear the breakdown of the Philadelphia Flyers fan and how long that went. I had no idea that that had happened. And, you know, and another thing that came about that was the talk of the women's hockey. And, you know, it's hard because.

because we understand that right now it hasn't up to this point been a sustainable product. So it's hard to have a long conversation about it without acknowledging the fact that there are things that may have to change on their side of things away from traditional hockey in order to help sell it. That's just, right? Because it's proven that it hasn't been able to sustain itself the way it is now. With so many different variables, like maybe getting more supportive. from the NHL and NHLPA, getting more brands involved.

I know our podcast and myself want to get involved where we can direct a lot of people to watching the product. So it may be have to get consumed in a different way than the NHL does. But let's, we got to tinker around with it. And I guess to start the conversation and, and maybe have to point out some things that aren't working, people see it as such a bad thing like we're putting it down. And it's like, well, no, it's just you sometimes things need other things in order to help sell it. So I guess the reason why I kind of got into that was because that was kind of fresh on the plate from that Taitomi interview.

And fuck something that I've been thinking about the last 24 hours. I've hopped on the phone with some people high up in women's hockey where we're trying to talk about approaching it in order to grow it and see what we can do in order to help. So there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes that I'm sure you know, especially when you're involved with media. and reasons why you do what you do that some people will never understand because they've never dipped their toe into it. They don't know about who you have to protect and maybe the way you need to word things or how it needs to be approached. So it's been a wild ride and definitely a learning process in every facet of the category. Yeah, well, sticking with women's hockey for two seconds, I mean, the things, the best thing they got going for them is every year that

passes women's hockey gets better. and more women are playing it, which means it's just going to continue to get better, which is, you know, eventually it's going to get there. It's just, it's in a competitive world right now. There's a lot of different things taking everybody's time. Absolutely. And that's another conversation that doesn't get brought up. Now the lacrosse league is coming up.

Also the outdoor lacrosse league that Paul Rabel's got going, whereas you need to get people's attention. And as you said, there's record amounts of girls signing up. for minor hockey. So this isn't something that's going to happen overnight or at the snap of a finger. This is something that's new and that may take 15 to 20 years to get to a place where it's even sustainable financially. So it'll help if the proper conversation is being had as opposed to just ignoring things that may be hurting it, considering it's taking the traditional path like the NHL did where it could potentially hurt it. You sometimes have to think of new ways in order to promote something.

So we've been rambling on a little bit for this, but definitely something that I've been thinking about. And one thing I said on Instagram today was, I'd say the most important person in my life ever has been my mother. And I know what women can provide. This is no, there's no way this has to do with PC culture or sexism. This has to do with,

hey, these ladies deserve a fair shake. Let's provide them with all the resources in order to potentially create a sustainable product where we change the game forever. we have more consumers of it. Why would I not want women's hockey to succeed? That just means more for us to do. You may gain an audience of 2,000 fans because of it.

If they grow, we grow. It's a rebound effect. Yeah, I agree 100%. I got a question. My father's in town. And I told him you were coming on tonight. And he goes, he's 63. He knows who his business nasty is.

He goes, oh, business nasty. Yeah, I heard him. The first question he asked is, how did he get the nickname Biz Nasty? It was given to me by a teammate named Stephen Dixon, and that was when I'd had some problems early on with Pittsburgh. So my first training camp, I went there as an 18-year-old defenseman, I almost made the team. Then I came back, and they drafted a lot better. They started getting better as an organization.

They had depth at the American Hockey League level. And it just so happens the year that I came in when I'd find. finally signed. So I went to camp as an 18 year old, signed as a 20 year old, went to the training cap, thinking, okay, I'll probably plan the American hockey league to start the year, because I'm probably not going to make the NHL club. Well, I get sent down to the American hockey league and training camp there. I had four goals and two assists as a defenseman in our four preseason games. And Tarian calls me and he sends me now. And I was fucking pissed because I worked my balls off and I competed to go make a team. And when I got sent down to the

A HL right away. I wasn't poopy pants. I fucking went and worked and played hard in those exhibition games, as you can tell by my stats. And so I was a little vocal about it after. And I think that might have put me behind the eight ball with that organization. Fast forward, they ended up cleaning house with all the management. Shiro comes in. Todd Richards was the American hockey coach. I really don't think they liked me, even more so. So things got worse and worse and and I ended up getting down sent down to the East Coast Hockey League for basically the better part of two years. And after the rift did continue a little bit, I was on the last year of my entry level contract and I'm thinking, holy shit, like, am I going to be, am I going to be washing

cars next year? Am I going to, am I just going to be bouncing around to another ECHL city? And I end up, I made the all-star team in the ECHL for the second time. I think I'm going to be going there and I end up getting called up again. And I'm like, what? Like, okay. Like, I don't, this is a little odd. I thought for sure this was the end of it. First game in the American,

they got that they called me up. I believe it was in Philadelphia. We played Philly. I think it was on the road. And I was listed at forward. Fourth line left wing. And I'm like, but then the light bulb went off. I'm like, these guys pretty much want me to switch positions and become a fighter.

And I'd been fighting a little bit in the east. So at that point in my career, I had the opportunity to either decide to be stubborn and stick with being a defenseman, which I played team Canada with. I played, you know, ECHL All-Star Games or won and was invited to another one. And that's when I just started fighting. And when I started fighting my roommate, Stephen Dixon, he uses, he's like, you nasty bees. You bees nasty. And like the whole room laughed because he was such a silly guy. And the way it came out, the delivery was incredible. So it stuck and then all of a sudden the fans started calling it to me. And then that following summer, I ended up signing a two-year extension with Pittsburgh. So that whole year I played 50 games up, maybe a little bit more. I ended up having over 30 fights. And I was getting it. Oh, buddy, it was hell.

It was hell. I was getting the shit kicked out of me by guys like nasty, morasty. But it was one of those things where I was like, hey, if you want to get, if you think you're going to have a sniff at the National Hockey League, you're going to have to learn how to do this. I always get made fun of online for how many fights I lost. People don't realize, like, I just started doing it because I knew it was my only way to the NHL. Then that's when I started doing the Jersey jab

because these guys were so much stronger and bigger than me. Keep in mind, when I hopped into the American League to start fighting, half these guys were on the juice. So I was already behind the eight ball. Then I had to fight guys like Nasty Murasty where when I'm punching the sky, I would punch him the first three or four punches of the fight. and then I would feel like my hand was broken and then he would just take over and break my nose

and just fuck me up. So that's why I started doing the jersey jab and a lot of people were like, oh, you fought like a fucking pussy. And I'm like, I know. I'm fucking well aware. But look at, I fought like a- Some of the toughest guys in the show or on-

Yeah. Listen, I fought some of the toughest fuckers and I was doing the jersey jab to protect myself and my nose still looks like this. So could you have imagined if I, if I would have been fighting like those old school guys, which they don't get enough credit. The way they used to go toe to toe,

those guys are fucking nuts. Fricking Nasty Murasty, speaking to him specifically, I just played him before I came down here. We're still playing senior hockey back in Saskatchewan, and he's playing for Metal Lake his hometown. I would say the most thing I'm grateful for taking the path I did was seeing and being exposed

to some of the stuff I was in the minor leagues. ECHL, I mean, I loved my time in Wheeling. It was so fucking silly. Our bus would break down, our sleeper bus on the way to Johnstown, and our boosters would be following us. So our boosters would help us unload all the gear into the booster bus. We would switch buses and they would wait for it to get repaired if it ever did. And we would get to the game in their bus. And who knows where they were fucking stranded.

So just silly stories like that. Glenn Patrick, our coach, he was a fucking treat. He used to carry around this briefcase with him to games. And there might have been one or two pieces of paper in that briefcase. And when he would get on the bus, especially if it was a bit of a longer trip, his son Curtis Patrick would be packing a cooler at the front that had all of our waters in it. And he'd go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let me throw a few of these in there. And he would crack open his briefcase.

And there'd be like a 12 pack of beers and two pieces of paper. and his leather fucking briefcase. So I think we watched video once with Glenn Patrick as head coach. And it was after our first game in the season and we got shelled. We played like dog shit. And he had Sean Collins, our player captain, wheel in. Like you were in elementary school. Did I say elementary?

They say that properly? I'm sorry. I got a little high before this. Like elementary school where you bring the VHS with the TV. and he just hit the play button and we watched the whole game with stops in between whistles and we were in the room for two periods

and finally Collins, our captain, came up and they hit it and was like, yeah, I think we get the point, boys. It's just not good enough. Let's just bring it next game. So it's just like some of the silly sick, we're all inside the locker and look at each other like, this is fucking hell.

Like we know we play like shit. We have to watch another, you know, two hours of this fucking shit. Um, uh, he, this, this kid who was all over me all time and,

and, and just a fucking pest. He was a rat. So I, I, I beat the shit out of them in a fight. And he would, their organization,

their fan base and the team in general were just so annoying to me. But hey, it was a rivalry. It was with the Redding Royals that it made me so happy that I beat the share of this guy. And that was on the road in their building. And I kind of gave her like the Hulkster after.

And they're like, oh, fuck you. So then we played a home and home against them. They came to wheeling the next night. And we used to give away a player of the game belt, WWE belt. WWE belt. I said,

give me that fucking belt. I had the trainer put it on the bench for warm up. I skated on, did one lap, went on the bench, grabbed it and went and stretched at center ice with it. And I was staring them down the whole fucking time. I said,

you know who's boss, boys. I said, anybody else want a taste of this? And they sent in the tape to the league. and I ended up getting suspended a game. And I couldn't play my, the following game until I sent in a $150 cashier's check to pay my fine.

$150 fine. $150 worth every fucking penny. Best $150 you ever spent. I'd stroke them another check just if I could get that. I would pay $1,000 right now if I could get to see the clip and see their play. They had a few players on their team that were shaking their head and they were disgusted that they thought I'd disrespected the game.

And I said, there's nothing more disrespectful than that fucking rat running around thinking he can just. But hey, at the end of the day, man, those are the things that I think brought the fans in and they got to enjoy the storylines. And yeah, man, it was some silly shit going down on the miners. You asked Domi. I was listening earlier today, actually, on my way back from ASU. I stopped and interviewed Tyler Bush, who was a guest on Spitting Chicklets, him and Johnny Walker there for you. guys um you'd ask him if he gets butterflies before fights and he'd domi said no he never ever not even probert which i think shocked every listener and shocked you when you were fighting did you ever get

butterflies before he fought anyone i get nervous before anything i do i get i got nervous before i came on this interview i get nervous before we do podcasts i just i just think that's a natural emotion that i care um i have been uh considering going to a doctor and talking about these bait blockers, which I've been researching a little bit. And basically they just slow your heart rate down. I think they're for people who have high blood pressure. But they slow your heart rate. A lot of people who do public speaking and actors,

they take this before going on set. And it just really slows your heart rate down. That way you're able to process and communicate at a rate that you would if it was just you and your buddies in a room, as opposed to talking in front of maybe 200 people. So going back to Thai, that's why I always ask the fighters. Who's the toughest guy you fought? No, I want to know the psychological aspect of what was going through your head on a game day

and whether you were nervous or how you approach things. And especially for the old guys, they didn't really have much video to watch. Where when I was coming up, I got to go to YouTube. YouTube had started out. So I got to go watch Marasty. I got to go watch some of these scary guys that I had never even seen in person. I could see them fight before I was, before I'd fought them,

which may have saved me from, from pain and, and a bigger nose than this. Could you fucking imagine? We would be able to get it on the screen here. I guess people can't see this. They're listening, but what's the best, it's better in person.

What's the best chirp you ever heard? You're a guy who's a talk. What was the best chirp you ever had come back at you that just made you chuckle? Oh, God. I can't remember one off the top of my head. I remember getting into Avery in the minors with him. He just came up to the red line because I was asked by a media member for the Wilkes-Barris-Sgrant Penguins about how polarizing he is and the fact that at that point,

he had already played his career in New York. he'd signed with Dallas and then he made the comments, gotten a lot of trouble in Dallas. I don't know if they bought him out or there was a up trade with salary retention by Dallas back to New York. But part of the rehabilitation, quote unquote, was he had to start for the Hartford Wolfpack. So he had to get back in shape

and there was going to be a bit of a conditioning stand. It just so happens that we played them during that period of time. So I just remember him coming up to the red line in warmups. And he called me over. He goes, why the fuck are you talking about me in the media? And it just, Sean Avery's condescending voice and his whole mentality, which I think is hysterical. Some people hate his gut. Some people love him.

He's still, you know, one of the more polarizing figures in hockey history. He still is. He still is even not playing. I know. And the more I've gotten to know him, I really. enjoy conversation with him. I completely understand why some people can't stand him, but that's not going to change how I feel about him. You know, I'm a, I'm a free thinker. I can respect everyone's opinion if it comes with a grain of salt. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, as far as the

premeditated chirps are concerned, um, I, I can't, I can't think of one off the top of my head. I just remember that funny incident, which, of course, that night, somehow it went for me and Sean having something to him talking me into fighting Sugden and then I had to fight Sugden and he beat me up and Sean Avery won the mental warfare as well as the physical and he didn't even have to get scratched. I've been wondering a lot about you switching

a little bit of the top here. You do the color commentating for Arizona coyotes. Yeah. How difficult, like you got this show you're spitting chicklets where you get to be you and that's what everybody loves. And then you go to color commentating and you got to be very PG. Is that a tough transition or not so much?

No, not really. I would have a hard time doing anything on a national network because I'm not very polished. I think when people hear me speak, it's a little bit like, ah, like it's lock. I sound like I'm in the locker room. I'll drop an F bomb here and, you know, I'll fuck that. And, you know, I want to talk. I've talked about a lot of sex on our podcast because I don't put sex on a pedestal and and and the women that I'm having some consensual sex with don't either. I mean,

we're pretty, you know, we're we fuck for sport, you know, and we joke around about it. That's why I told the shitty Cindy story in the podcast because we just, you know, that's, that's the stuff we talk about. There's, you know, it's and there's, and there's also a large female demographic that we have that enjoy that too. So it has nothing to do with, with guy or girl, but it's, I, I do enjoy the coyote's job. It just takes a little bit more. of me in order to stay polished in order to there's a lot of crutch words because I'd rather say fuck as opposed to you know just maybe not saying anything or or being able to to fire off like some of these guys on national TV do I talk about Patrick Sharp all the time like for him

to step in and be automatic where he looks at the camera like that I'm looking at the floor at the ceiling I'm eating my boogers and and you know they're just like let's get the break here You know, let's get. And he's just, and some people, that's just the way their mind works. Mind you, he didn't have to eat Sugden and Marasty punches for a career. You got to put the puck in the back of the net. And, but, you know, it's, I don't operate like that. My brain doesn't fire on those cylinders where I commend those people who do, but that's never going to be me. How hard was it to hang up your skates? I mean, I know you had a lot going on as soon as you were done. But how hard was it to walk away from playing? You know what? It wasn't as hard as it would

have been if I wouldn't have found something after my time in the NHL. It was a big wake-up call to go through what I went through not being able to get another NHL deal that summer. Having talks with Washington that they were trying to fit me in and they were going to sign me to a two-year NHL deal and they just they had a rule they don't put guys on one ways in the minors and they couldn't shed an NHL contract listen that could have been bullshit they might have that that might have just been keeping me at bay to to on the hook for summer but I didn't have any other options so I was praying for that one so the season I went to a PTO with St. Louis it was awesome the group was incredible I had such a good time that's why I was so happy for them to win the

stay on the cup. But being back in that environment and all of a sudden the PTO is over and I was back on my couch at home and then I had to stay out in shape on my own and go find ice time on my own, I had fell into a depression. I was there for I think three weeks and by week two, I couldn't even get off the couch. And part of, and this isn't a sob story. People have far greater hurdles in life than some fucking NHL guy who had already made a few million. being on the couch because he couldn't get another NHL contract. But the mind takes over. So I just felt like I was achy and sore.

And I was sleeping 15 hours a day. And I just fell into this funk where thankfully Don Maloney for the coyotes had given, they offered me a PTO to go to Portland in order to start playing. So that instantly when I got that, my depression was gone. like it was it was like poof famous boom everything's normal my endorphins are pumping again i'm excited i get the back to the locker room environment because i love that's all that's what i love the most about playing so um so i go there and and i'll say this for really the first time in my life i really didn't connect with the people in the locker room um i i don't think the coach liked me it was

it just something was off one of the games when i was there we ended up playing against Manchester Monarchs. My old coach, Mike Stuthers, was there. And I went and talked to him after. And I could sense that I just, I thought that the end was near. And I said to him, I said, hey, listen, I don't think things are working out that great here. I don't think I'm really fitting in. I said, I said, if you guys maybe got a spot, like, you know, he goes, give me a call

if something happens. About a week later, I got snipped. And right away, I felt that depression again. And within 30 minutes, I call Stutzi. And I was like Stutzi. I said, I'm in a dark place. I said, I'm going to call in a favor. I said, I'll, I'll fucking fight for you guys.

I'll be a healthy scratch. I'll do whatever. I'll fill water bottles. He knew that I would do that anyway. I said, I need a favor. So he goes, let me, let me talk to Michael Futa and Dean Lombardi. So he called them and he called me back. He says, pack your shit.

He says, drive down here. I think it was like an hour and 15 minute drive. And I sign a PTO with Manchester after. I've been released by Portland. And sure, everyone knows a story. We go on to win the Calder Cup that year. We lost like seven more games since I was there in regulation during the season. We lost three games in playoffs.

The best group of guys you could ever hope for. And Stothers, when he called me back, he goes, pack your shit. He goes, there's only one rule, though. Dean Lombardi says, stay the fuck off that tweeter. So I said, I went dark on Twitter for about three years where I, I was not very vocal. I didn't chime in on anything. I basically went away, and it was a good time for me to.

And hockey and getting back in the locker room environment were so much more important to me than doing the social media thing. And the call of their cup was one of the greatest hockey moments of my life. I ended up signing another year extension with Ontario because they'd started the California division for the H.L, which I thought was a brilliant idea. keep those teams closer. So I signed with the Ontario rain and then ended up signing one other deal with them afterward. And that was the year where I tore both my ACLs. I told the story on our

podcast. So at that point, I was like, hey, it's, it's time. That Christmas, I came to Arizona and I talked to Rich Nair who hired me for the coyotes. And I said, hey, I think I'm going to be done here. I said, is there, you guys have any opening? He said, I think we may have something opening up. let's let's talk i'll talk with some people and we'll see and then that and the rest is history so how that was a long answer to to no it's good man with the hanging them out you know uh no that's it's good that's what i'm looking for right i'm looking for the answer not that the two word answer right like yeah i want to hear the story everybody wants to hear this story biz well some people might want to hear your voice too yeah no it's good people tune in to me to hear my guess that that's

what i searched for is their story i saw you at cori I saw you had Corey Cross the other day. For the second time, yeah, Corey, he brought you up because I believe you guys fought. I fought Corey Cross? Was it Corey Cross or was it Lance Ward? Because I had Lance Ward on the day before him, too. Maybe it was Lance Ward. Lance Ward has a similar story to you.

Lance played, was a defenseman all growing up, was drafted 10th overall by New Jersey Devils, held out on his contract, and then got selected again when he was 20 by Florida. Florida, and they converted him into a fourth line fighter. And so he played fourth line, and then he went on to be with Anaheim. And he's one of the two, it must have been Lance then, talks about being in the minors and fighting you. Okay, well, yeah, some of these guys, some of these guys, I can't even remember. There's a few memorable ones, like the heavyweight belt.

Yeah. I had one with Frank Littlejohn for the Elmira Jackals. he ended up getting some pretty good shots on me and my jersey came up over my head and I had so many people bringing that up to me when I first got on social media and I'm like holy shit these elmira fans are crazy I'm like they still want my head well how did you get on spitting chicklets like how did that come a boat bit like would that have been in the works for a while there Yeah, me and Witt talked about it. And then finally one day, I think in order to stir it up,

in order to get me to join on, he tweeted it out. I would still playing, and that's when I was going through the Dean Lombardi no social media phase, which once again, I like that. Rear Admiral reached out to him as like, hey, want to do this? And then they started it out. And I always knew that I wanted to jump on with them. I just had to wait until I retired because if I was going to do it, as you can see I do it one way and that's it I'm swearing I'm telling kill stories I'm

fucking telling war stories whatever it may be right um and so I went on as a guest a few times and a lot of people were of course like oh you should fucking get biz to co-host and blah blah blah and we've been working it out behind the scenes and then I had that film project that I did when I first retired um I dove right in to media I said let's see let's see what I can do in front of the camera. And I, you know, some people may love it. Some people may hate it. It was, it was a risk I took in order to try to learn a different side of the, of the media industry. I want to be a Swiss army knife. I want to be able to do it all. Radio, television, content, which people laugh when I say that word. If these people knew how much you could

monetize content for, everyone in their fucking grandma would be pushing content. It's fucking insane how lucrative it is. Okay. So that's another reason why I, you know, now I have another competition, so to speak. So I said to them, I said, why don't you guys buy this project? We launch it and announce that I'm going to join the podcast because I still think there's far more that we can do with it. And I think at the time they were averaging between about 50 and 70,000 listeners in an episode. We average over 500,000 now easily. Some get into the 7,800,000 range, depending on the guests.

we're in the process of continuing to grow our YouTube channel and eventually this thing will plateau and that's fine. I have bigger dreams for it. I want to do more with it but it's also fun having the competition aspect of

of trying to grow this and seeing how far we can take it because if anyone knows me they know if I'm doing something I'm going fucking balls deep and I work my listen I might not have been the most skill guy but work ethic something that my mother instilled in me, and I would challenge anyone in the industry to try to

keep up. So who are some of the white whales you got sitting out there that you still want to bring on the podcast then? Oh, before we jump to the next thing, I, going back to the other guys as well, who obviously started spitting chicklets like RA, he thought of the logo, he drew it, he drives the bus. Witt is such an incredible storyteller. He gets incredible guests on. He has credibility because he was far and above the better player. Mike Grinelli, that one happened by accident too where he has became a Swiss Army knife and is learning daily on how to expand and grow in other ways,

whether it be merchandise, whether it be pawn hockey, whether it be editing. It's insane how hard this kid works. And we all bring something different. And what they didn't have before was maybe the numbers in order to direct the people there. Like they were getting not as many.

Canadian listeners, which is crazy. That's Canadian sport, where I had a huge Canadian demographic. So we all brought something in order to bring what it is today. And I love the mix because R.A. is like the hardcore Boston guy who has a fan perspective. And although he may be naive about the way some things are going in the locker room, he's going to bitch about things from fan perspective where we're going to be more biased towards the player. So you've got to have somebody not just nodding their head all the time. You got to have them saying, well, maybe they're looking at it like this. So it's great. And I love the different personalities that we do bring. With that and with the size comes, you know, some negativity that you have to deal with.

I would consider myself, I would say I'm a little bit sensitive to it, but I'm usually sensitive to the stuff that's unjust where someone says something. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's one, not what I said. You have no comprehension skills or oh they should they should ditch such and such or they should fucking you know change him up with it's like fuck you this is what it is there we are going to have our flaws there's going to be personalities on the podcast that you do not like there may be 50,000 listeners of spit and shicklets that hate my guts well sorry man I'm not fucking going anywhere and the 450 other thousand people that are listening get to enjoy it so stop being selfish and lick my nuts

and I and I just wanted to make sure I mentioned you know those other guys and how we are one family and then the size that this has gotten is very overwhelming and we are like we couldn't be more grateful at the people who listen so i've rambled on a little too much no it's all good man i i would say uh uh the group of you are feed off each other extremely well it's what makes it so engaging to listen to every single time right like uh specifically you and wet when you guys got rambling on about like gritty that had to have and frick six months ago. But that was some of the funniest shit I've heard on a podcast ever.

What's amazing about it too is you'll have different people come up to you and tell you, hey, this is my favorite interview where you're like, wow, like that's, you know, that's interesting. Like that was, you know, because one thing that they said really resonated with them, resonate, resonate? Resonate. I always struggle with that. I always throw an extra G in there.

Is there a G and resonate? No. Fuck. I'm French Canadian. Fucking lay off. No, I'm just kidding. But, oh, it's... Who's been your favorite guest to have on?

Actually, I'll back that up one second. Who's been the first guest you had on that may be like, holy shit, this guy's coming on the podcast? I mean, when Sid and Nate said they were going to do it, we were kind of like, this is too good to be true. Yeah. Well, you guys have had... With the guy's current playing, right?

Like those two, you've had McDade. David and dry-sidal? Yeah. I don't know. It's, anyone with a big name, I mean, we're grateful for anyone that wants to come on our podcast. Eventually, we want to get through every hockey personality who wants to come on and say they have a story.

To me, it's, it's the ones that, where I'm just listening and laughing. I mean, I don't know. There's so many that I could think of. Sheldon Surrey, I loved having him on. um brand Myers was incredible tim stapleton's one of our most downloaded joe vatally was incredible because of the story one thing that were it was just so powerful was the fact and and you know i just started dating a girl and it goes back to the women's hockey how how women are usually the most important people in men's lives they they have the more empathetic side they're the nurturers

like i'm a big sap dude like my girlfriend i'll like hold me and shit So when he talked about when he was going through that dark time and his wife, and one thing about Joe, he's very into his faith. And when he was going through this rut, similar to the one I described where he couldn't get off the couch and wasn't motivated, he'd gotten asked to go to a men's league game with some alumni from the blues or whatever. And his wife, and his wife was like, go. Like just like, like, get up and go. Like maybe like, you know, it'll make you happy. and because he ended up getting off the couch that night going there was a because kelly chase took a job with the discovery property and opened up in nashville a radio gig it opened up and he

stepped into basically what i do for the coyotes into that st louis role well he's a great personality he he he all of a sudden now has a purpose in life he's excelled at it 10fold in the short time he's done it and there his first year in it they end up going all the way and winning the Stanley Cup. So he's, you know, and he's a hometown St. Louis boy. So his, his wife telling him to get off the fucking coach and, you know, go do something and, you know, go be happy, turned into him turning his life around. Who knows where it would have went from there. We don't know. And it was just, it was so cool to hear that and how positive his message was about it. And, and he was at the time, and maybe still is our most downloaded episode,

just because of how raw and real it was and those everyday issues that a lot of people, deal with that they may not think that people who are playing in the NHL deal with or people who have any type of stardom or who are quote unquote famous. So it was it was very cool. That is really cool. Well, and that's been one of the cool things you've probably, I know I've experienced whenever you get to sit down and hear a guy's story and get to really sit and talk with them long turn or a long version long form. Yeah. Oh, it's buddy. This is this is the best. the best, you know, and you can cover a lot of bases. And some people might, I, I like to cover a lot of angles because I, as I've gotten older, I'm, I'm far more empathetic than I used to be where I say,

it's naive that, that to not think that some people would have been thinking from this perspective. And everybody had different upbringings and they're going to be biased to way that, you know, what, you know, to whatever they are, they're biased towards. So, you know, you just try to be a little bit more cognizant of trying to, um, trying to be more sympathetic. some shit, I mean, mind you, some shit you can't even, you can't, you can't compromise. You're like, yo, you're fucking far too crazy right now. This is absurd. Just go on Twitter, you know.

Oh, Twitter. All you're going to do is watch you for a couple days and see a, see you put out a tweet and then some people are the spot. I know, I was battling with a couple feminist female podcast today trying to explain that me saying I want to buy a women's team and I support women's hockey isn't. me bashing women's cocky. Why were they upset about that? I have no fucking clue because they have no comprehension skills.

I mean, as I said earlier, it goes back to the conversation has to be had about what are the things that are not working? What are things we can improve in order to make the consumer, the consumer happier, therefore want to purchase it more in order to make it sustainable enough so everybody can get paid fairly. But they don't want to hear the conversation.

They just want you to stroke the check. and when you're when you tell them hey we've tried that and if you don't actually figure out a way where it can sustain itself we're just going to be right back where we started but they it's much far easier to just point the finger and ditch online than actually spend time and energy trying to change it and instead of trying to bring someone down trying to change it exert energy doing something in order to grow it right I mean is that I mean that should should be in every conversation not just the one we're having. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's the hardest part. And as you, as you, as you

keep growing is, is it's far easier to rip you and, and bring what you're doing down than it is for them to go create and put energy towards something that they can build. It's just like, that's why, that's why I think, I mean, we're kind of getting deep now. We're, we're, we're going deep space nine right now. That's when the weed really kicks in. Who, uh, who came up with Pink Whitney? I know you guys, I know it's Whitney's drink. Yeah. But was, did you guys approach New Amsterdam's or did they approach you?

Yes, I begged them to do it. I got shut down by Barstool, and I don't know whether they took it to New Amsterdam, but before they shut it down. But I have a business mind. I take, I have to take CBD.

I actually founded a company. That's another way, one of the ways I stayed busy is, is on the business side of things. But my mind just doesn't stop. It's, it's a curse. And me and my business partner,

we just constantly just nonstop ideas, ideas, ideas. And I say most of the time we're able to execute them. And now it's at the point now where if I call Erica, the CEO of Barstool or talk to Dave and I say, I want to do this, they give me the green light because they understand that I'm going to execute it. I, me and my friend Jeff Jacobson,

went and bought the domains and started filing for everything because they didn't take us seriously. And we said, okay, we're going to go do it on our own. And even when I mentioned it to Ryan Whitney, he was like, ha biz, like, I don't think a lot of people are going to buy it. I think we should just kind of let it ride out for what the hashtags and not everyone jumping on the wagon now. I think it's going to fizzle.

And I said, I think you're fucking on crack cocaine, but okay. So I kind of got the ball rolling. I started figuring out logistics, you know, if we ended up doing it ourselves, how long until we can get it on shell, you know, nonstop. So Ryan Whitney was on his way to a Halloween podcast. party and his wife in the car goes, hey, you should, you guys should do that Pink Whitney and bottle it. And, and he goes, fuck, Biz said that. So they called me. And whenever Whit called, Whit could call me at four in the morning. I'm answering the phone, okay, because it's hard to get him on

the, and the hammer, because he's usually working on his golf game and or he's got a family. And I understand that. And if I had 20 million in the bank, maybe even 25 now, I might be on an island somewhere. you may never see me. So he calls me and he goes, hey, my wife just said we should do the Pink Whitney. And I said, okay, well, we've kind of already started. Me and Jeff, we file for the domains and we begged, we talked to Barstool about it, but they kind of just sort of like, eh. So him getting on board was extremely helpful, me going back to them.

And they said, you know what? I think they had mentioned it to New Amsterdam. They said, New Amsterdam's looking into it. And yeah, there may be something here. And next thing you know, that just kind of got the. ball rolling and it took on a mind of its own. And it's, it's fun, man. It's, at least in the states, it sucks that alcohol is so expensive in Canada, but people in the states get to enjoy a bottle for 10 bucks. It's, it's a cultural thing. It's kind of, it's a shot. It's like,

hey, like, you know, we're in the locker room. Like, we want, we want everyone who used to play hockey or any sport or really anyone who wants to learn about hockey. This is how we used to shoot the shit in the locker room. This is authentic. This is 100% ask any of my teammates ever if that's how I used to talk in the locker room and they'll tell you yeah. So it's fun, as I said earlier, how much people like it. And it's very humbling and I love them back. Well, here, we'll put it this way. I don't drink vodka.

I find myself drinking pig Whitney. That is when we can get it. Because I had given you a rough time at the rink when we first met in Canada. Yeah, it's expensive, but nobody gives a shit. the problem is is that it sells out. It sells out unbelievably fast. And I know the Canadian listeners are going to want to know. You've guys probably been addressing it on your, on spitting chicklets, but is it going to get fixed in Canada? Because I mean, like, it's a little bit nuts how quickly it sells. To the point, Biz, in Lloyd specifically,

they had a policy at one liquor store. You could only have one bottle per person. Sure. Yeah, I won't, I won't bore everyone with the Pink Whitney talk too long. But I think they underestimated Canada a little bit. And of course, it always takes a little bit longer to get it in Canada. One of the problems was is they plan on doing 100,000 cases to start it out, planning on that might last six months. They just didn't know.

And we sold a million bottles within three weeks. So they were like, holy shit, where the fuck are we going to get the glass? there's so much more to it that I was like oh fuck yeah I guess like they have to now produce millions and millions of bottles for and you got to find the glass so they had to alter how they were going to produce some of their other alcohols in order to give us more factory time to produce at the rate that people are consuming it so this I was a little upset that we were so slow in the process with Canada that's not man right yeah it is fucking nuts. But from our standpoint, we had to be sympathetic and be like, yeah, like, we didn't

know it was going to be this crazy either. We thought it was going to have a nice response. And then Canada was a whole different ballgame. The problem with Canada, and it won't be in January, February moving forward, is there just wasn't enough cases being allocated there and or had availability to once it was open borders. We're in the process of getting it in the LCBO, which should happen very soon, I'd say it's going to be a well-oiled machine in the Canada by no later than the end of February. So the boys will be over the moon to hear that. Heck, the ladies will be over the moon to hear that too.

Yeah. And like I say, I want to do so much with it. I want to, I want that to be a collaboration with women's hockey potentially, whether they're interested in or not. Working with Barstool, it's hard because sometimes as much as you, maybe want to help a cause. There's just this stigma about it. And I get that some things maybe have been said by people in the company that people

are down with and that at the time we're disrespectful that they won't apologize for. But you can't let one person and maybe like a joke or just them being rude. Be like, speak for the entire company. It's like, be a free thinker. Like some people don't even want to dig and find out their own information. They just want to read online and just want to just. cling to a cling to an answer. Is that the word I'm looking, cling to a,

no, no, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, you get what the fuck I'm saying. So, yeah. I got to ask about Justin Bieber. Is that going to happen? We're trying. We're in the process. I've been messaging with Bennington.

He's in touch with Bieber's people. I have no fucking clue. It would be cool. I don't know. Well, I mean, whether you like Bieber, don't like Bieber, that guy has more followers than everyone on the planet. Yeah. And that'd be pretty epic to see him go on some breakways against Biddington.

That'd probably get more pay-per-view than freaking the latest UFC fight. He's got some good hands. He's not, he's a bit of an ankle skater, a very weak stride. Who do you think Bieber's really playing on the ice against? No one's really attacking him too hard. man i i mean fuck man the guy's busy making platinum records like give him a break i i'm a bebes guy i don't i just i wouldn't listen to all his music i just don't uh you know he's a canadian i got to support my fellow canadians and and what what was the other thing too is um i cried

watching his documentary of his come up i get very emotional on flights and there was a scene in it where where where i started crying and and sure enough i was on a flight to Saskatoon to go play in Jared Stoll's golf tournament. And it was from, the flight was out of Toronto. And there was probably five or six NHL guys on the flight. So I'm trying to cover it up that I'm not crying to the Bieber doc. And I got Steve Ott sitting next to me being like, are you all right, dude?

Like what the fuck's going on over there? And I'm like, oh, nothing. Just like the, you know, the dust in the plane here coming out of these vents. So, yeah, bebes. I love me some bebs. one other social media question that a couple of my buddies wanted to bring up is if you had the choice to go and become the bachelor or go on the bachelorette what would you want to do no i wouldn't i wouldn't go on those you want to go on no i don't like how they they're able to manipulate who you are on camera they'll take you they'll take a snippet and make you look like an asshole i don't i don't like that what if they just ran at 24 seven like the truman show so they never were clipped anything. Would you rather be...

I would like, I would, you know what, taking that back, I think I would like to be the bachelor just to maybe expose the show for how stupid it is. Like when a girl was being overly sensitive, I'd be like, hey, you're being a complete cycle right now.

This is not normal for you to be acting like this, consider we've spoken six sentences to each other. This is, like this is giving you so many deductions right now that you're crying already. and you you don't even know my middle name. Is it not insane? I don't watch it.

I got to be honest. Like one girl was, so I have to watch it because I do the Bachelor reports with the coyotes. That's one of my gigs with the coyotes. Is that not insane? That's my fun of shit. Like I love doing that stuff because you're getting these guys who watch the Bachelor with their wives to talk about it.

Vinnie Hino Stros is hilarious. I'm going to try to get Kessel to chime in a few times this year. Brad Richardson, another amazing personality with the Arizona Coyotes, Vincent, did I say Vinnie Hinnisroza? Yeah, yeah. Christian Fisher's the other kid from Chicago who does it. But it is awesome just breaking it down and getting the insight and doing all that shit. How fun is the coyotes this year, man? They're like freaking tearing it up.

They're awesome. They all love each other. They're a great team. It's hard. I would assume most of your demographic. likes the old rough and tough style of play. Yes. Correct?

Yep. It is, it's a bit infuriating to me to watch the shift where the, to me, it's like the loudest people online now or the fucking whiny little media people that have never suited up. It's, it's infuriating. Because like, you, like, I made a point the other night.

Like, I think that Toronto Maple Leafs need a little bit of sandpaper in that line of if they're going to push back on, on getting over. the hump over Washington and Boston. Those teams are bullies. They make the playoffs and they're hard to play against and they're not as soft as other teams in the league, right? Well, look, who's getting it done on the other side of the conference? Who?

Who would you say of the top teams? I mean, St. Louis again. St. Louis, yeah. Well, how the fuck are they built? The Vegas Golden Knights. They're built to fucking destroy. Vegas Golden Knights go to the finals against Washington. Washington a few years ago. All

fightings and fighters are done. Oh, yeah? Who was the storyline in that one? Or one of the, Tom Wilson and Ryan Reeves, buddy. It's a fucking cock fight. Because when push comes to shove playoff hockey, you're going to separate the men from the boys and that is inevitable.

Okay, big, heavy hockey along I would consider the Chicago black hawks. They weren't a pushover when they won three. They had some, I would say they had some sandpaper finish in those lineups. I don't, Taves is, Taves has a bit of bite to his game. Maybe, maybe Cain doesn't, but he's good enough where he didn't fucking need it.

But they had some guys on the, like they had Jarmelson. He's got, he fucking block Shaw. He's ready to lay it on the line. And then who won the other two? Los Angeles Kings. How the fuck did they win them? Bullying teams around. Heavy hockey.

Heavy 200 foot hockey. So I keep hearing about like, oh, like skills and analytics and like, yeah, like, I bet you the best team, some of the best teams puck possession-wise are ones that are just full of skill and run up and down the ice all regular season long. But, I mean, as we've seen, I mean, until Tampa gets over the hump, my theory works. Who do you go winning the cup this year then? I mean, I'm going to, I can't be a hypocrite. I really like Arizona, but I think that they might need a little bit more sandpaper. You think they're at somebody then at the deadline? No. The one good thing about the coyotes is the fact that they, I mean, they do have loss in Krause.

He's probably the only guy who's willing, Brad Richardson's willing to scrap, but he's not a heavy. But I think that they're probably not going to address that just because they're so well balanced and they're very deep. A guy like Connor Garland might be playing on your third or fourth line, where they're able to roll four lines and really sustain the pace of a high-speed game for the full 60 minutes. So that works for them. And I mean, now adding Hall,

I mean, look at their depth, that center ice. They might not have a, I mean, they might not have a true number one center, but Trish and Dvorak sure looks good. I would say minimum he's a 1B, if not a 1A. Yeah. Tough to compare him against like the Barkovs and the real top end guys, right?

That's, I mean, that's a fair assessment. Nick Schmaltz is another 1B. And then as a third line center, you got Derek Stepon, who, yeah, he's, you know, he's slowing down a little bit. He's, he's not as offensive as he used to be, but having a third line matchup for him. He's going to chew him up. He should. I come from Wild Country.

We're well-versed in Taylor Hall. How's he looked so far for the Coyotes? great i mean it's the best roster he's ever played with yeah like that and and he's got guys who can snap it around back to him and it's it's nice he's fit in really well i'm really happy that they made the move so early on and and gave him the opportunity to really get comfortable with his team because it might have took it until now we didn't know but he he got really hot off the start and he's been what an unbelievable addition what a great job by john chika so far since he's took it over his GM. Holy fuck, we've gone long here. Yeah, sorry. I promised you 45 minutes and we've

gone long. So I'll give you two more quick ones and then I'll let you go. Um, who's the coolest person you've met while doing the, the podcast? Like, that just kind of shocked you a little bit. I guess I'm, no one person in particular, I guess I'm just shocked at how many people know about it. And, you know, Wayne Gretzky and Brett Hall are down to come on when, we can get them in person. How good will Brett Hall be? I mean, I would imagine that after that episode, if we get a few pops in them, that that will probably 100% be the most downloaded.

And the one that makes fans be like, oh, my God, this guy is a true fucking legend on and off the X. His stories are... Have you ever seen him speak at, like, a social event? No. Oh, he's amazing. Like, he's... Yeah, he's...

man we we need cocky guys like that he's very he's very confident in what he accomplished and and and he wears it like a badge of honor and you know same with jr like i love that they're like that and i love that they want to talk about themselves because they're interesting people if nobody talked we just would be fucking boring radio absolutely and and not only these guys have the credibility they have these insane stories because back then there were cell phones and back then most of those guys were going out and and having beers and you know what I mean no ever no crazy story's ever started with a salad not that I know of anyways I'm sure you probably got one or two up here yeah yeah shitty Cindy that's how that one started out

fucking romay and lettuce all over my fucking sheets final question for you before I let you go and I just once again want to say thanks for coming on but I got my my wife in town with me for the weekend or the week. I got a bottle of Pink Whitney for you if you can get here quick enough tomorrow. Done. I'll do that up. I just come over. I got a case here.

I got a couple more in the fridge too. So I usually just hand it out. I would have, I'd given mine all away at the ASU game. I heard that. I heard you were hoping they won so they could have a good time and then you brought them in a case and they lost a tight one. No,

no. I brought in a case for the trainers. I don't give any. I think it's against NCAA rules to give. the players any gifts. So I just, I don't, I just give them to the trainers. Well, the trainers deserve it anyways. Oh, I mean, that's, yeah, that's why I would hope that players weren't touching that stuff. They need to study and, and, uh, and avoid alcohol at all costs and not have any fun. Absolutely. Now, if I was going to take my wife to do something in and around the Phoenix area,

what would you suggest? I mean, hiking, I like going hiking around here. That's a, that's a very cliche answer. You can hide camelback. I keep getting told Sedona is the place to go. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, if you want to make a two-hour drive, Sedona's gorgeous and or flagstaff, but I really recommend Sedona. It's got, it's got some vortex. I actually, it's funny you say that, my friend who works for purely Sedona. Okay. I'm a water whore. Okay. I drink about, I lose you there for a sec? You froze up. There you go.

Okay, yeah. Sorry. I drink about, I would say, easily, like six to eight liters of water a day. Okay. So more days, eight of these bottles. And it's all mineral water from a spring in Sedona and it's pH balance. It is insane to me how many people don't understand how important good water is, good water consumption. It's like the pH level helps push the acidity out of your body and,

and, you know, the minerals and everything and the, and of course the pH, you're taking inflammation out of your body. Inflammation is the leading cause of disease. That's why it takes so much CBD too. It shrinks everything. It takes the swelling away. So I travel like a madman. I am working nonstop. I rarely get sick. So. I guess that would be my advice to anyone listening right now. I don't know how this turned into a water speech. Drink good water. Like Desani, fuck off.

It's junk. It's horse piss. It's not pH balance. It's fucking tap water. They've monopolized the industry because of how much power they have. Go get good fucking drinking water, folks. And drink a lot of it. You heard it here first, folks.

Well, I appreciate Paul, Mr. Biz. for coming on with me. It has been an honor. I got to give a shout out to my buddy, Dustin Mullet, because without him, a buddy of mine and Lloyd that I work with, he listened to you guys religiously. He told me I should reach out. That's how this all started even remotely close to this happening. So who showed? What's wild is I believe you tweeted at me and I followed you, right? Correct. Yeah, I just, I get so many requests. It's that whether you catch me on a good day and you message me and then and then all fate brought us together at the ASU. That's right. And I'm glad I could get on your podcast.

Hopefully you're following enjoyed it. Half of them might be like this guy is a fucking douchebag. Oh, well, I try my. Hey, right on the money. Right on the money. Well, you have a great night. Thank you for hopping on. This has been an absolute pleasure.

I wish you nothing but the best and good luck growing your brand. My friend, if you get any negativity, fuck them, keep doing you. And message me tomorrow so you can grab some of this pink with me. Oh, and I got to plug my can I brands. That's the CBD company. is 20 promo code for 20% off. It's incredible. I'll actually,

I'll give you a bottle of the, the boost tomorrow. Sounds good. That too. All right. I'm just, holy shit. You're like,

it's like you're on fucking Oprah or Ellen getting all these gifts. And you're getting a car. And you're getting a car. Yeah. Yeah, I just don't be jumping on my couch like Tom Cruise,

Peckerhead. All right. Sounds good. Yeah. Bye. Thanks for listening, guys. That was,

I don't even know if I got the words. That was pretty freaking. and cool to sit down with a guy like that who's having as much success as him and the rest of his spitting chicklets team are having right now. It's pretty cool to watch what they're doing and who they're getting on and have him hop on for an episode was surreal to say the least. So thanks for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did and we'll catch you next week.