Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. 59 - Brothers Roundtable #4

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

The brothers back at it again. We discussed: NHL Trade Deadline, Kassian Kick, Houston Astros, XFL & more.

Welcome to the podcast, folks. It's a bonus edition this week. The brothers and I sat down for the fourth installment of the Brothers Roundtable where we get together in Banderth Sports. Obviously, we're all Oilers fans, Emmington Oilers, being local here. We obviously talked a lot about them. The NHL trade deadline just passed. So we talked a little bit about that, among other things. It's always a lot of fun when I get the brothers in the studio. Well, actually, this is the first time we were in the studio. So it's cool to get them to experience that. And like I say, we sat down and had a good hour anyways. So without further ado. Welcome to Sean Nimmah podcast, a bunch of us, yeah, who's the brothers are back already arguing about who had the right predictions. I can safely tell you my predictions were horrendous. I think I picked Toronto Maple Leafs to make the bloody finals, and that's looking while they just got beat by a Zamboni driver.

They're going to make playoffs on, Sean. Well, we'll go around the room to start it off with people. People probably listen to the first. This is number four. I think this is four. Number four. So if you haven't listened to the first three, you're either turning it off right now or you're in for a real treat. But we'll start it off, toss out your name, and then who you go for coffee or a beer with, if you could?

We'll start with Harles. This is obviously Harley. I would go for a beer with a rock. There's just knowing where he's come from, knowing what he's been able to accomplish. Oh, absolutely. The amount of time and dedication that he's put into. Come on, don't make it weird. I might touch his biceps.

It's a serious question. Knowing what he's done and what he's been able to accomplish as well as his work ethic, the whole bit, one of the most successful guys that literally had seven bucks to his name. I'm going to go off the sport line, and I'm going to say... And that's Jason. Yeah, I'm Jason, sorry. our great grandfather Newman

the horses yeah came across the bar colonists and he was from what I've heard he was one of the guys that was in charge of hunting for meat for the colonists as they wagon trained it across the plains and I also believe he got lost for a couple days

and I had to find back and if you could just envision yourself as a 19 year old on a horse with a gun in the middle of planes with no towns or anything and you get lost so I think it'd be quite a enjoyable to sit down with him for an hour or two and just find out some of the things they went through. Actually, that's really good, Jay.

I agree. I'm kind of pissed that I didn't think about one actually. Screw you, Jay. This is Dustin. I go for college with Abraham Lincoln. He's always been a huge role model or someone I always thought was amazing. Every time I watch a movie like Lincoln, like an amazing guy. So that's what I go for coffee or beer with.

Yeah. Well, I have a hard time. Right now I really like Joe Rogan. Listen to him all the time. I just think he gets to sit down with the most fascinating people in the world. And to pick his brain would be kind of cool. Although... Would you have some touch of the biceps, sir?

I don't know. Well, you've nailed down business, right? So now the next one's Rogan. That's right. Now, once you've had the business, nasty, I mean, where can you go from there? I mean, the other thing, too, with sitting down with Rogan, is I'm sure one beer would not end with one beer.

I'm pretty sure that could turn into a whole night vestry there, so. Would it be beer you'd have to have? Probably something else would be my guess. Probably. All right, let's start with the Cassian kick. That he just came off the other night, actually last night, off a seven-game suspension. What did your boys think of A-the-kick?

I saw it real time when I went. I was a dumb play. But was it worth seven games? I think yes. I think the one thing they got to keep out of there for sure is anything to do with kicking. Whether it was, you know, everybody goes, well, if it was stomping, it's worse. But you know what? That guy kicked.

And if, you know, it just happened to be where the Tapa Bay guy, Sernak, I think it was, leans in a little closer and gets in the face or the throat. I mean, there was no reason for him to kick there. I just think that it's the one play for me that you just, they're just zero tolerance. Like, there's just no room for it. There's just no reason for that there. I'd agree with all that,

but I'd say I would have been finally two or three games. He gets a book thrown at him because it's at Gatian. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Because he's done enough dumb stuff or they throw the book at him. That was dumb. No, I didn't say it wasn't dumb. You know, when I hadn't actually seen it, I looked at it today,

and I hadn't actually yet seen it. And then when I watched it and everybody, because people would give him a pass, and he's just trying to get up. What a little crap. He's laying there on his back, and he's mad, so he kicks out. Like, what is that?

That's like a 12-year-old. Oh, it's true. Like I said, I would have him two or three games because I thought seven was a little bit much, but I don't care either way. Having said that, when it comes to suspension of the NHL, they have no... Yeah, they're terrible.

They're all over the map. They go, oh, well, this is, you know... I think probably realistically he just came off a suspension of two or three games to get another couple games thrown on there, you know, because of it, I was more thinking along the lines of the four or five game suspension. Now, because it's a skate blade, I understand, right, and I get the whole, you know,

I can't remember the name of the goalie that had his neck cut. Malarichuk, right? But, I mean, if anybody's ever seen that, that is the absolute worst thing. And, you know, I can remember watching that and just like, oh, sick to your stomach. doesn't even describe it, right? And everybody plays this game, right? And you go, if he was a little bit higher and, you know, a little bit different of just instead of a street kick and it's more of a slicing motion,

how bad is that? And then how bad of a suspension is that? Are we talking about a whole season or something like that, right? I mean, it could be a complete opposite of three or four or five games. I think the league, though, you keep hearing this, has the problem with. So you go back to, so if that was Johnny Godreau or Patrice Berger, how many games do they get? Two games. Right?

And there's just no level of standard there at all. What they do, the problem I have with the NHL is that they always, you know, they look at the player doing it and they look at the injury on the other end instead of going, okay, was this a bad, you know, was this, who cares who did it and who's on the other end? Is it a bad play? And then what should, what does it warrant? Instead of going, okay, which player was it? well, do we want to give him more to kind of, you know... Well, Marty touched that on when he was sitting there with Sean. Yeah.

I mean, it wouldn't be that hard. So, I mean, if someone actually wants to listen to us, all you got to do is if it hits the head, it starts off, and then you do your thing. So the first offense is two games. Second offense is five games. And you just keep rolling down the list. Maybe you've got it within a year, right?

And you've got to have... Then it doesn't matter which player is. You've got to have a range, though. Because depending on how, you know... No, but I'm just saying the hit to the head is different than, let's say, what's another one that they suspend for us? A kick to the chest. A spear?

A spear? Right? So all of a sudden, let's say Zach Cassie, went out and did a hit to the head and he got two games for it. If in three games down the road he did a spear,

it's still only two games. That's not a second offense. So why the heck can't... Why can't they figure that out? I think they're playing too much politics in the league is what's going on. I agree.

I think there's too much politics involved with it when it comes to well, we've got to cater to these guys or this guy's kind of a star so we can't do that. The other thing, too, is it all depends on who you have at the helm. I think if it was Shanahan in there,

I think he would be taking a different approach than what's the guy? George Peres right now. The way that each guy's got their own different way of doing it, and does Peros have something out against certain guys? He might, right? But I think it goes higher than Peros or Shanahan. I think you go, what,

if McDavid's offside, then we don't call it because it's McDavid. It's garbage. I mean, I 100% agree. But the rules of the game are there. Oh, it's the Toronto Maple Leafs. They get an extra first-round pick. That doesn't happen to do it. So, I mean, all they need to do is go, it doesn't matter.

McDavid's not going to get a whole bunch of hits to the head because he doesn't do that. So just set your schedule, put it out there for the public to see, for everybody to see. Here's the guidelines. Here's what it is. Black and white. I was listening to one of the talk shows at Eminton on the radio here this last week. And they were talking about the top guys that draw penalties in the NHL. obviously one's

Marchand one was to Chuck from Calgary all the essentially pets right and you go okay so then they go what about McDavid McDavid was tied for like

64th in the NHL and you go you got one of the fastest players most skilled players and you watch him every night and the stuff that he's got to go through and kind of building on Jay's point here right

just what they are focusing on is not right in my own. Okay, but that's two different things, because one, you're talking about the league review of suspensions and one you're talking about the referees. Well, maybe we should be suspending guys. No, but no, but it isn't, isn't who looks after the referees. I mean, we're part and parcel to the same thing here, right? All I'm saying is it's the league mandate as well. The thing that I liked on Shanahan was actually running the, uh, running player suspensions and all that was he'd put out videos and explain why they came to the decisions. that came at. And you don't see that anymore, but I actually appreciated that because he'd run

through it. And even if you don't agree with it totally, at least you got why they were suspending certain players for certain things. Have you heard the little audio clips they release on why it was his suspension? You haven't heard those? No. Oh, they released those. I'm trying to figure out who they pay to have that awful of a voice. Somebody will text me it, but it's terrible. Terrible. Maybe they should hire the show on Newport. Yeah, maybe they should, yeah. Guy was given five game suspension for being stupid. But let's go to Taylor Hall, Arizona. Okay, I got a little stat for you guys before we start.

Oh, because I love this. So I took a little Ron McLean and did a little investigative work before I came on to Mike. After the Taylor Hall trade, the Arizona Coyotes to this day are 13 and 19. After the Taylor Hall trade, New Jersey up to four days ago, was 15 and 10. You're talking about short sample sizes that don't really mean anything. that we're starting to fall apart with the argument for Taylor Hall. Okay, here's, if you want to make an argument, because it's a dumb argument, Jay. Since Taylor Hall was traded from the Oilers, Jersey made the playoffs once, and Taylor Hall won the league MVP.

Yep. And Connor McDavid made the playoffs of once and won the MVP. So, you know, you're talking about things that don't really make sense. When it comes to Taylor Hall, does he have flaws as a player? Sure he does. But there was lots of players that ended up with the Detroit Red Wings back in the 90s. who hadn't won a cup or won anything. Yeah, you're right.

And where did they go? And where did they go? The Detroit Red Wings. Where did Phil Kessel go? The Pittsburgh Penguins. Yes. Oh, yes. You can send a player like Taylor Hall or Phil Kessel,

guys that are a little bit different, a little bit of room killers, as long as you have a strong enough room. Yes. And some vet guys. If you send them to Arizona Coyotes, Coyotes? I don't know. I always...

Coyotes? What? What? Who says that? I don't know. Anyways, you send him there. Do you do not have enough veteran presence in that room to handle both Kessel and Hall? I will agree with that because you look at, and I'm going to go outside of hockey for even this, but who's the receiver that went to New England?

Got run out of the Raiders because Randy Moss? Randy Moss because he couldn't fit in there and no one liked him. He went to New England and he was fantastic. But why? Well, he was the same kind of guy where if he's the guy in the middle, it's not good. What you need is a really good team surrounding him so he can just come in and do his thing and he's not the guy in the middle who has to No, I'd agree with that. Yeah, and so, you know, who's the GM of Arizona?

That young guy, isn't it? Yeah, he's a young guy. Yeah. Someone should remind him that you can't take all this great talent that are room killers and put them all on the same team because they're slowly falling apart. And if you look at that team on paper, they should be in the playoffs. Yeah, I don't know about that. They're decent enough team, but they're not. They're pretty, you know.

Hall and Phil Kessel John Chaka. John Chaka. It's a tough lesson. Born in 89, he's three years younger than me. Yeah. Well, it's going to be a tough lesson for him this year when they missed the playoffs. And then he's going to and understand the mistake he made there. What I'd also say about both Phil Kessel and Taylor Hall is there a little bit one-dimensional, right? When it comes to how they play the game on the ice, like Phil Kessel's not the guy who's banging and crashing the corner, coming back, back checking that kind of thing, right? And you can have guys like that on your team, but you need a certain team in place so that those guys can fit in. A certain coach. Do the Amish Flyers have the team yet where you could bring in Taylor

Hall? If you're comparing Pittsburgh Penguins to bring you in Phil Castle. I think you could at this point. I don't know if you could. I think you could. I think a couple more years, but you're getting closer. Getting closer. What I would say with the Eampton Oilers for the first time and perhaps forever, is they're actually starting to look like they have a team there. And look their defense is very solid. You look at their two forward lines. Gee, I wonder who they brought in for a GM that Dust hated. That's true. That was my one prediction that was not good, for the record.

G.C. came in and just smoothed everything out. Calmed it all down. He didn't calm it down. He's done very well. That's the way to take it home of the team and trade it for Taylor Hall. He has done very well because, you're right. He has settled the waters. He didn't trade away a bunch of the young guys.

He didn't rush a bunch of the young guys. Yamamoto's come up. I tell you what, I'll be the first to be on here and say, I thought Yamamoto was going nowhere. And then all of a sudden he comes up and you're like, where the heck is this guy? Well, wait, you got to play in the H.L. For a little bit.

Geez, we haven't done that in 20 years. No, and same thing with Bear and same thing with Jones. Yeah. Part of that, though, I think is also the head coach, right? Going down with a purpose, also having a head coach down there that is willing to tell you, you've got to be better in this area if you want. want to keep going back up, right?

Because when Yamamoto came back after what 19 games go or whatever, he came up and he did not even look like the same guy as compared to the start of the year, right? Like he looked completely different. He was go hard retard the entire game and banging and in front of the head. Can you say that anymore? Just saying, it is completely different. I don't know that team was offered. This whole world's going soft, so it don't matter.

I'll say between Holland and I would say Dave Tippett. The bird man has spoken. Don't fuck with the bird man. Between Holland and I would say Dave Tippett, I've been very impressed with it as well. So is Paul Yarvey sitting in Finland right now? Do you think he's smart enough to go, hmm, maybe that wasn't the best decision? When you see Yamamoto come up, Get some seasoning, and he's a point-per-game guy playing with dry-sadles.

The better question I've got for you is, who's going to want to, I mean, obviously there's going to be teams that want to take him. But you are really limiting yourself, especially now with where the Oilers have come since he hasn't been there, right? And now they're looking like they are going to be, you know, not one of the favorites in the West, but, you know, they're up there, right? And they're doing it all without them. I don't know. Well, there's going to be a team. I mean, whether you're, think of the teams like Detroit and Ottawa and some of them guys that, I mean, I'd take a flyer if I'm Ottawa and Polyarvy. I mean, you're not going to have to give up as much anymore.

Does anybody remember Steve Eisman and Jonathan Drewann? Yes, yes. Jonathan and Drouin wanted out like nobody's business. And Steve Eisman, learned from Ken Holland, just slow played and slow played and didn't get excited. And it's great you want to leave. Don't really care. And eventually he played for Tampa Bay for a while. And then they traded him.

And turned him into circuit. And turn them in a surrogate. And so if you're Pooley-R-V at this point, Ken Holland is really not that interest in training you. Why would he? Well, they're doing well enough. He doesn't have to be worried about. It doesn't even to get anything out of it.

And not only that, you go, hey, what are you going to do? Play over there for another year? Are you going to try and come over here? And if you play well enough, you can play with the best player in the world. Or one of the two best players in the world, for Pete six. I got a question going back to Taylor Hall for a second. As he gets older, right? As we all get older, we have a different idea of,

of where we fit in a team. When you're young, you come in and you're brash, you want to be the guy. Does Taylor Hall ever get to the point where he looks at himself and goes, you know what, I've got to make a couple of changes and then does turn into that player that is unbelievable in the league?

Because it's probably just a shift. Now, maybe he doesn't. And are there guys that have made that change in the past? And are other guys that have been left? I'd say one of them that never made the change. To me was seven. Right? He never made the change. This is who I am.

And he's going, Kessel is that same guy. Right. He's never really changed. He just got put on the team where he didn't need to be anything more than he was. But has there been guys out there that over time has Ovechkin changed? I would say that Ovechkin's changed some, but I don't know. Is he a better leader in that locker room than he was 10 years ago?

I would say so. I would almost guarantee it. The only thing is, is as you become older and you stay the same as you keep getting older, it becomes harder and harder and harder to change. You really want to make that change. Does it, though? I find I've changed the loss. Yeah, and I would say the longer you go where you aren't winning or you're being

ticked around like Taylor Hall is, you can go one or two ways. One way is you just keep doing what you're doing and you're pissed at the world. Or you slowly go, I think I've got to do something here. Well, and you look at a guy like Chris Pronger. I mean, he was traded at the Hartford because of attitude and different things he brought outside of the rink. And by the end of his career, he was such a great leader that winning just seemed to surround him. But how long, how long, the only, I don't disagree that people can change.

But what you're trying to get to here is how many years does Taylor Hall have left in the league? And how quickly does he need to change? You're talking about Chris Pronger who, when he was 19 compared to when he was 38, right? That's 19 years that he had to change. Taylorhouse probably got 10 years left. I agree. But he's already pissed away, say, nine or ten of them, right? So, you know, he's got to shape up here soon, or else he might be the way of seven.

I wish I could piss away years for six millions. I ain't that the truth. He's unrestricted at the end of this year. Yeah, he's going to get a big deal. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Boyler-stein him? No, they don't get the money. They don't have any caps.

No worries on either fans. We got Dustin here. He can't do anything. He can't, if he can't, if Dust can't find the money, there's nobody that can. They've got way bigger priorities at the moment. I agree. Way bigger priorities. Let's talk about the trade deadline.

It just came in past. Oilers were a little bit active on it, you know, like. That is one of the best Oilers trade deadlines I can remember. Green. Jay's name. Anthraiseu. Anthemisu. Yes.

Jay would be the oldest, so he would know. Has there been a better trade deadline that the Oilers have been a part of? You know, and I didn't do the research that, with apologies to wrong. Let's say, Roleson in 2006. They were missing a goalie that year. They got a goalie and went to the finals. That was a great one. You know what?

A lot of their trades, even when they traded, like, a good trade for them, you know, I don't know if it's a good trade. But, I mean, when they traded coffee for Simpson, they ended up getting the guy back that did score 50 for a guy that they were going to lose. I don't think that was at the deadline. But they have made, there's been trades over the years that Doug Waite getting Doug Waite back. which one was that for the Messier trade? Or was that for Lowe? No, it wasn't for Messier. Messier, they got DeBrasque and a couple other pieces.

We're talking a long time ago. Yeah, it's been a long time. The Chris Pronger trade was a stroke of genius. But that was a get in the offseason. Yeah, that wasn't at the deadline. Rollsson was at the trade deadline. Rollsson was in the deadline. And they also got, who was the defenseman they got at the same time?

Not in the Roleson trade, but the same year they got a defenseman there, Spachich. Spachick. And the other guy they got was that, Little Pecca. No, and Samsonoff from Boston, didn't they? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. Samsonoff, that's right. And he actually turned out to be a little bit of a gamer that year for him.

Yeah, he was. Well, they just picked up golden pieces. And you know what? Lots of times I would say, I would go in the air and say, sometimes you make a bunch of deals like that, and the whole chemistry gets rearranged, and teams don't seem to do as well. But whatever year that year with the Oilers,

just added in the right pieces. Yeah. And you look at St. Louis, like last year, they said they were very quiet at the deadline. This year they picked up Scendella just because of what happened. the bowl muster but did nothing else. Isn't that interesting? So what do you think of the Oilers moves in? Obviously you've been really enjoyed it. Does that make them, does that push them deeper, get them in the playoffs, etc?

The thing I like about the Oilers deals is even if they don't work out, they made deals with good upside that didn't risk too much. So Anthony S.U is a guy who's a restricted free agent at the end of the year. They traded two seconds for him. He had 30 goals a season ago. If he washes out, yeah, you lost two seconds, but if he works out and he can play top six for you, all of a sudden you picked up guy who's a restricted free agent and he only gave up two seconds to do it. That's huge. Now, Ennis is another one where you didn't give up much to get him. If he works out, you'll probably be able to sign him. And Mike Green, you probably won't sign him at the end of this year because you've probably got too many defensemen, but as a,

you know, coaches love having D-man. It's an easy one to throw in for you'd have to you know much to get him well i agree uh and what i like is what he didn't do is he didn't trade away his first he didn't trade away his prospects he didn't trade away broberg or um pull yard or even pull your army like he didn't trade away any of them prospects or his first wrong pick so everything else to me is like and like dusted then you get in nath and see you and he he's a former 30 goal score that's a restrictive free agent yeah i think it's i i i like what he did I like what Calgary did quietly. I like what Bagas did.

And all moving in the West. The Vegas deal was a big one because their biggest downfall this year has been goalfending. And they picked up a guy who, you know, Leonard. Leap in and challenge for number one. And they picked up Alec Martinez. Yeah. And another, just that solid.

And then Calgary went and picked up Gustafson from Chicago, right? Yeah. And everybody's adding these pieces that I think really help where they're not having to give up tons. And the Islanders gave up a little more, but they picked up green a little bit before that, and then they go and pick up Peugeot, who fights in his first game with them. Right? So the whole team, if you want to talk about chemistry, you go out there in your first game, you score, and you fight sticking up for a teammate because one of the guys got ran over.

I mean, he's going to fit in that dress room right now. I actually really like Carolina. They gave up a lot, but they picked up guys with term, which is kind of unheard of. They had problems with defensemen going down, and they picked up two guys who were a solid defenseman who could actually step in their lineup and do something. And then they made the Trochev. And then they made the Trocheque deal,

and the best player they gave up was a UFA at the end of this year. Yeah, the best player they gave up was that. And I always go back to all of them kind of deal, Joe Thornt and everything. It seems like sometimes teams get in this thing where they get three or four players, and it feels like they got a whole bunch. But in the end, Carolina,

take the best player every time. One that's going to fly under the radar a little bit. that is Tyler Tepoli for Vancouver. That was the only deal, I'm pretty sure, the Vancouver made, but he seems to fit in really well with what they've got going on there. And being not a Canucks fan, and I know Bert's going to kill me for this one, but I really like that one for Vancouver.

Yeah, Vancouver's just been fun to watch this year. I'm not a Vancouver fan, you don't all either, but the way they play hockey is fun to watch. Yeah, and I hope they do. Yeah. And they're misinvescerate right now at Marks. Yeah. Which is going to hurt them. I still don't know what Buffalo was doing.

They picked up... Simmons. Yeah. What is that all about? I have no idea. I'm guessing that somebody in the room thought, A, we're 7, 8 points out. If we can win the next couple of games, we're in this race.

Buffalo fans deserve it. It's a fifth round pick. They also turn around and traded away Connor Sherry back to the pitch for the paying us. So you're not really going for it. You're picking up a guy who's going to be... And it hasn't had a great season. No. I was grasping to begin with.

Who are your winners and losers then? I mean, you guys kind of nailed off or hammered out five or six. Who would you say the biggest winner was from the day? Well, depending on how you look at, but I thought a loser was Colorado. I know they got a lot of injuries. I know they like their team. I just, I thought they maybe would put in a couple more pieces. But, I mean, the argument could be said, and I'm the guy making it, that, you know, same with St. Louis, the two best teams in the West, instead of bringing in a whole bunch of guys.

Left alone. We're going to go with the group that got us here. There's something to be said about that, too. I love Vegas. I just think they didn't do a ton, but they added the pieces they needed it felt like. I really like Vegas because of the goaltending. The one I didn't like, I actually didn't like Pittsburgh a whole lot, bringing in Marlowe. And this goes back to the prediction I made at the start of the year that San Jose wouldn't make the playoffs because of Patrick.

tomorrow right I did because he's over the hill and you're going backwards and I don't think he's going to help Pittsburgh any and I hear all that always great in the dress room blah blah blah but I don't think he can play anymore and so you're bringing in a guy who has been around a long time and you're going to put in your lineup but I don't think he's getting up the play so I don't think that helps their team any yeah maybe I don't know Pittsburgh went out got Zucker which was really nice right yeah they pick up Sherry and Rodriguez and sometimes going in the playoffs Hey, Sean? It's nice to have some depth. A little bit of depth, a little veteran leadership dust. Yeah. Yeah. If he's a quality.

We went, we're in the middle of playoffs. We go to Metal Lake with three lines. One of them is the AP that played Junior B. So I see teams like Pittsburgh pick up four forwards. I go, yeah, I get it. Right? Especially if they're the right people. I can get it. The team for me that is, I have no idea it's going on with Florida. So Florida at the start of the year goes in signs, Bobroski for $10 million. Yeah. Why would you ever sign a goalie to that much money?

Well, I guess they thought, well, he's won two business. So they just felt like probably with Luongo retiring, goaltending was a hold for them, and they felt like they were ready to push in the east. See, I'd rather go to Carolina's way and sign some guys to, you know, average goaltenders on low contracts. Well, right now I'm not disagreeing with you,

because Florida hasn't done it. And now, and then all of a sudden, now they trade choke check. And to a division rival that you're trying to make the playoffs with. Like I'm kind of just And the biggest piece coming back is a guy That's gonna be a UFA A UFA.

Like I just I struggled with that one I just don't And then Florida didn't even really bring in anything else No And so I'm going on that one I don't know where Florida's going with this So is that your biggest loser then Biggest losers Florida

Florida I got three that I really liked Obviously Carolina for what they've done Eminton for what they've done Also Boston You're talking about Colorado And just missing that one little piece great to get rid of Bax's contract, move it out of there, and in turn, plug in top nine

Ford and Andre Case, you know, it's not huge, but it's another one. What was it in the Hanahe doing there? Well, I'm just saying case has had injury problems, so I think that's part of it. Also know that Nick Ritchie went there. When did they get back, they got Datenheim back. So was there more to the whole thing there? all I know is they took on back as this contract which is just a waste

and they gave away Case whose guy with upside case is playing on their second line at the moment in Boston like it just seemed like a really weird deal maybe he's bad in the room now Boston's a team that can take on a guy like that 100% Boston could have taken Taylor Hall

and plug right up yeah I'd say I'm going to go with the biggest one of it would be the home body here and say the Oilers anytime the oilers do what they did just like you're just waiting for them to just have a bad deal it has been so long where they yeah that was a great day every trade that came up

even the two seconds you're like I can live with that I can handle that right my loser of the day is actually the New York Islanders I'm not a big islanders guy just because they picked up Pajot from Ottawa

they gave up first a second and a third round pick to get Pajou and I don't think he is going to be the guy to get them anywhere over a molehill at all, right? Like they, there's such a small team already to begin with. And I get it. He's a skilled guy. But I don't think he's carrying you through any type of playoff series. I don't know. Pat Joe is that, I mean, he's got a lot of respect to the league. A lot of people talk very highly of him, a two-way player, provide offense, defense, good in the room. Let's see the end of the first round. Did they sign him immediately, too?

Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. Turn around. signed him so that's what they were saying with them being resigning them that makes the first round pick easier to let go off because you just yeah kind of use the first round round pick on federal yeah actually i thought the ranger signing crider was a good deal oh yeah yeah sorry yeah then he broke his foot did he oh yeah yeah yeah i couldn't understand what nashville was doing either i would have thought they would have done something but they did essentially nothing i think he's sitting there going where where what are we yeah are we buyers or sellers. I think it's been a very confusing year for Nashville and yet I will say this.

Sometimes them with the years. We've seen it all. St. Louis last year. He gets into the playoffs and they get past the first round. I wouldn't want to play Nashville. I wouldn't know. They've got a wicked good defense. Yeah.

Oh. And good goal tanning. Heck, their top lines. Knockout punch too. Yeah. Let's talk about Scott Hartnell being on hockey hunting Canada panel there on Saturday last night. I thought that was pretty cool for a Lloyd boy. Yeah, he was good.

right like didn't say too much he's kind of destined to go out there quite honest yeah like I was he's kind of a funny guy anyhow right well yeah I think he was always great in the league and great personality I see some local and I mean Colby Armstrong actually is local too

and I think he does a great job too actually them showing his Scott Hartnell throwing in a glove at the guy on the drinkway that was the funniest thing and him talking with that's fantastic yeah I thought he didn't get it and once again just hats out to him because he's from Lloyd right

the Lloyd boy on the hockey night and Canada panel like that's pretty pretty sweet. And Kelly Rudy. Which brings you to my question, who was the best player to turn broadcast? And that can go, it doesn't have to be hockey, you can go across sports. Because I know we brought up Tony Romo, right? Like Tony Romo.

Harley brought up Tony Romo today. And I'm like, that is the favorite guy. Like, watching him on there. I can't believe that he's getting $17 million a year. That is incredible. That is unbelievable for a broadcaster. What if I'm amazing about Tony Romo is he's sitting up there calling the plays before they happen?

And he's right. Like that is crazy. That's why I enjoy watching them. I enjoy Shaq, to be honest with you. A little bit of comedy, a little bit of, you know, livens everything up for what he did in his career as well, right? Obviously, one of the greats for basketball, but also enjoy him as a broadcaster. I'm a little different because I'm a little more of the hot stove guy, right? So I like Elliot Freedom.

But the question is, is who he formerly played, but you didn't? So this guy's actually now the president of the Rangers, but I really like John Davidson way back in the day. Way back in the day. They get him on there on the hot stove. They always had the hot stove after the second period. He just seemed to be a knowledgeable guy that knew a ton of people, and obviously he did because he went back in the GMs and presidents now, right?

Well, and I should probably bring this guy up, but Ray Ferraro. Oh, he stole mine. Ray Ferraro's mine. On the hot, he's fantastic. He's fantastic. He's fantastic. He's unbelievable. Anytime he, well, now he's got his own podcast, too.

Anytime I think I'm really smart. Him and Dragger, isn't it? Anytime I think I'm really smart about hockey, once in a while I get Rayferro's voice in the back of my head like, oh, you're such an idiot. This is how it is. And you're like, yeah, that's probably, you're probably right. I think, I don't know if he's going to do it full time, but the guy I enjoy the most right now when I do see him is Kevin Biazza. Yeah, Kimbi Axe has been really good. He's only been on every now and again.

Yeah. But not. I find he gets right. See, every time he comes on, I just turn it off because they can't stand me back. He's actually been really good. But I think he's been good. Yeah. And I like Colby, which is a local guy.

He's a little bit of a personality old BXA. Yeah, he is. Yeah. I don't know if Justin Bourne ever played in the HL, but I saw him on the other night, but he was really good. Justin Borm? Yeah, he might have only played in the HL, but he was really funny and really good.

He was on sports now, I think. How about we all played ball growing up? How about the Houston Astros and that debacle? Well, it was interesting because we went back. Well, go ahead first. I was going to say, for the listeners who don't know, they stole signs by having a camera, infrared camera at the, out in the center field. A garbage can they bang on.

And then to the most extreme on Altovae at one point, they had the patch that rumbled any time it was a, I'm going to screw this up, some baseball, yeah, either a curveball or fastball or whatever. That way he knew what pitch is going. That is high tech. It's high tech. And it's, I think it's, it's not as, it's wrong. Don't get me wrong.

It's wrong. It takes away from the game, I think. But it's not as far far out there as being terrible, but people, some people I think, think. Because everybody's looking for an edge and technology's come. And, I mean, when I played ball, dad stole signs. Dad would stand on third bag. And if he'd learn the guys change up. And then, I can't remember what he did.

I wasn't, yeah, because I wasn't good enough hitter. So, I mean, it wasn't that big a deal with me. But he'd crouch and we had guys and they, like he did it. But again, he wasn't using technology and stuff. I think there's a line there somewhere because no doubt before this happened, guys in the league were trying to find an edge. Trying to steal signs and do stuff. But I think where the Houston Astros got into problem was they took it a step further and used something that was outside of a, you know, the third base coach trying to pick up on something or, you know, that kind of thing. They actually used technology and then, you know, if they actually had the rumble, you know, whatever it was patch to tell them the signal, like that's just taking it.

Are you pissed off because we're doing it? Or you pissed off because you didn't think that reason that? You think they're the only team doing it? I think to that extent. To that extent. You know, I think there's been a line drawn out. Or are they the only ones that have gotten caught? I mean, who knows if you're one of the bottom placed teams, you might be looking for any edge.

because a team didn't make playoffs, do they just sweep it under the rug because, oh, it's the, you know. You may not know until you get an MLB guy in your podcast. Okay, here's the thing, though, is I think when it comes to technology and you got infrared cameras and, you know, things like that, you're crossing a line there where how do you stop someone from doing an infrared camera? Like, that would be very hard to do. and, you know, if it's just the third base coach trying to, you know,

our coach trying to pick up on what's going on. Or the guy's down on second. You know, something like that, that's slightly different than actually using something where, you know, the integrity of the game is getting compromised at that point. And so I think that's why there's so many baseball guys that are upset about it. It was kind of actually funny when I watched it, right? Because the guy banging that big old garbage cat, like, just like really, you know? Well, some of the stats that have.

come out of it. They're kind of crazy when you look at, you know, batting averages or pitchers that, you know, are some of the league best and they weren't striking guys out, or, you know, that kind of thing, right? It made a difference. Well, I tell you what, when Altubi hits that home run and he's running the home plate, have you seen the video of him grabbing his, he's grabbing his jersey and holding it like this. So no one rips at all. And saying don't rip it off, right?

And when it happens, nobody understands, right? But now, no one out with everything goes on, you're like, like crap, that was playing his And now they're saying, well, he got a tattoo. Oh, yeah, it's a little BS, right? You make up stories just to, you know. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Is there anything across all sports where this, even something remotely similar has ever happened? Well, I brought up the New England Patriots recording practices for the other team,

so they knew what they were setting up for in games. That is probably something. The plate gate, I mean, to the one I thought of was. George Brett, the Pintar incident in the playoffs. I mean, it's not really, but I mean, it's kind of, I mean...

I don't think it's in the same ballpark. No, I know, but he hit a two-run shot, and then they called it back and called him out. I mean, based on Pintar, right? Pintar. Explain. Pintar on his bat? There was too much Pintar on his bat.

That's the thing. When you look at it, I think of both the Houston, Asher thing is it was long, you know, it wasn't just one player, one game. I can hear some baseball fan yelling at the radio right now. Too much pun. Come on. Get it story right. Like Newman's a bunch of idiots. But you're talking about something that lasted for months. And I think that's the difference. Like I can't even imagine what you could do in hockey or basketball. Like I can understand football, okay, they're going up to the line and we actually have the calls and I'm distributing

them to guys in the helmet on the field, which hasn't happened. But like something like that. But what would you even be able to do in hockey like that? practice and see what they're going to do. Yeah, but you still go. Hockey's so tough. But, I mean, the thing with hockey is, yeah, okay, we're practicing the one, two, two. Great. I mean, we can come into the game.

Oh, they're matched against it. You can make that change in five minutes. Yeah. On 30 seconds. Right. Well, there's so much chaos is what I call it in hockey. So much randomness that, you know, it's not like baseball and football, which is set up every play, essentially, right?

Whereas in hockey, there's so much chaos and randomness that you have trouble setting up or something like that. You couldn't do it. You couldn't do it. Same of lacrosse, soccer, basketball. How about XFL? Harley and I were watched it before he came out here tonight. You boys haven't watched any of the XFL, right? No, no, I haven't got there, no.

So, one of the, I was explaining two of the cool things I've seen them do, and I saw it tonight, was on a kickoff, not a punt, a kickoff. The kicker kicks it, but the lines don't move. So nobody moves. They're set up on the 30 and the 40. Yeah, yeah. So they're set up on the 30 and the 40s.

Yeah, yeah. So they're not. So they're a little closer to where the kicks being made to, right? Guy grabs the ball as soon as the receiver catches it, everybody starts moving. But it allows him to have room to go. The other thing that I thought was interesting was if you score a touchdown, instead of a field goal for one point, and who cares, you line up. Everything is you line up, and if you're one yard away, it's worth one point. Five yards, two points.

If you go at the 10, it's worth three points. You can actually get nine points for a touchdown. But there's no kicking, no kicking at all for, after. So where this let us down the rabbit hole was, is if you could set up a rival league to the NHL, to the MLB, to whatever,

but you had to stay within the realm of the same arena size, the same baseball diamond size, that kind of thing. You can't change the actual stadium, even the amount of people out on the field, but you could tweak rules. What would you do to make it interesting? NHL, for sure. I go

for and four. I get rid of off sides, I would make the nets slightly bigger so there's more goals. And I get rid of allowing the team to ice it on penalty kill. What I'm trying for is more offense. Why not get rid of all lines altogether? Just have one wide open game. Is it your game you're trying to change your mind here? Well, I'm just throwing out different options, right? I mean, you're talking about Marshall to the goal line. I'm telling you what I'm telling you what I do ours. I go four on four, make the nets a little bit bigger, some of those changes so that you increase the offense. Well, you know what? Actually, I'm along the same line

of dust. I was thinking bigger nets and I would go back to the 19, I would keep the rules for hooking and stuff that we have, but I would go back to no instigator rule. What does everybody want to come out and see? They want to come out and see goals and fights. And I go back to where the guys are policing their own and bigger nets. I like the, I still don't know why. I don't know who came up with that you can ice it on a penalty kill. Like where is that rule? How does that rule ever make sense?

Okay, we're going to penalize you because you took the penalty, but you guys can double the fuck down. No, the other interesting one thrown on out there is you get a two minute penalty. You're in the box for the full two minutes. You score a goal? You're still in the penalty box, right? There is another I don't mind that one either.

Well, on a couple of little fan ones that they hate is you could change the offside. rule so that it makes sense right if he's on the plane breaking the plane it's not an off side like it's just common sense put a damn thing in the puck already so if it goes across a goal and you don't need to see it i don't know why like they're a billion dollar bloody industry they can't figure out how to put a little chip in there and just be done with it yeah i know like tennis makes it work yeah like i mean all these sports got it in the NHL's like no you got to see

it go in it's like why and i actually i don't care if they kick the fucking on that either We were talking about that too, right? It's just a small move. You've still got to get it in the net. Yeah. Whether you kick it in the arm. I would agree maybe not throw it in the net. But if it's just flailing the body, kicking a puck, what does it matter?

Can you hit the goalie if he's outside of his crease, right? Well, you better make the crease bigger. And the one guy I'll tell you right now, I'm not hitting his barrel out because he'd knock me flat. So I'm just going to leave him alone. Well, the other interesting one, uh, ball. hockey does that regular hockey doesn't as soon as you cross the blue line now the blue line essentially becomes the red line so your your offensive zone becomes half the ice becomes half the ice so if you want to get the puck out that's why i say now you've got to give it offside zone

now you know yeah i don't line that just gives you more room a lot of options here n hl a lot of options but they'll never go back with the fighting thing but do you think when that quebec pro league slurred up what was part of it well just all the fighting and it brings it it just brings fans I mean, we still have MMA, we still have boxing, people still can watch that stuff. So if you had a league where I still don't think they should go back to the old hooking and holding and hearing guys in the face and stuff. Well, I don't think that was ever part of a loud change. I'm not. I said if I was startup arrival or rival league, I might do baseball.

I might shorten the schedule for one because I think 162 games. I don't care who you are. I think is way too many. The next thing I do, I'd allow steroids, and I might allow metal bats and just be like, you want to hit 20 dingers a game, the fads are going to love it, right? Yeah, and if you want to jack up on steroids and throw 105 mile an hour, that's fine. And maybe not metal bats, maybe cork bats, whatever the heck it is. I don't really care, right?

Like, I just go like, they... You want to hit the ball far? I want to hit the ball far. Hit the ball far. Who cares? Right? You still got to catch the pitch. There's two other things that I had thought about when we were talking about baseball.

One, as soon as the pitcher gets the ball back to him, it's like a shot clock. He has 30 seconds to throw the ball, so as soon as he gets there, he can just turn around and throw it. If the batter is not there, one of the big things with baseball that people hate is how long it takes for the pitcher to throw the ball, the batter to get into the box, all of that. You put in a pitch throw count where any time within the 30 seconds, so if the third, basement throws it back to the pitcher rifles it back to him and he can throw a ball in there and if the batter's not in there well yeah you got a strike against you then well who cares right but it's it's progressing the game so that you get rid of that delay and that's one of the big things that people hate the other one that i thought about is uh make your seams bigger on the baseballs now all of a

sudden maybe can you throw uh you know i know pitches are pretty good right now but could you get some really wild pitches in there where now all of a sudden a guy is throwing something that looks like it's a foot outside and it comes around and but pitting is hard enough as it is yeah right if anything you want more hits you want more how about if you hit a single and get home you get four points if you hit a double and get home you get home you get three you hit a triple and get home run you and get one how is that for scoring i was showing hardly before we came finish baseball it's got a stinking name on you. Anyone should look up

finished baseball on YouTube. The pitcher stands in the opposite batters box and throws the ball straight up and down. What? And if it hits the plate, it's a strike, you get three strikes. So, I mean, hardly watching it. So you can hit the ball on the first strike and not run. Right? And the batter... Or you

can delay. And then run. And then run. And if there's runners on the base, they can run. Right? And it's a whole... So it's almost like a cross between... Baseball and like... Cricket kind of... Cricket kind of? Yeah. It's different.

I'm telling you, look it up. When I was in Finland, I got to watch the World Series of it, or whatever they called it. I called the World Series of Finland. That's right. And it was nuts. I was sat and drank like, I don't know. Was it fun to watch? Yeah, yeah.

It was so fast, right? Because it's just constant moves. And then guys going this way, that way, I'm going, why are they running like that, right? There's no base. It's great. So essentially you get like a 8 by 8 square and that's your base, right? So guys are like literally diving into the dirt, into this, you know, nothing. Into the safe zone.

Into the same zone. Exactly. It sounds like kind of like slow pitch where they got the box that you got. It was actually, we watched a five-minute clip of it and I went, what is this? By the end I went, you know, actually this is. I don't know how much it must have been having a pretty sassarillas when they figured, think that out, right? Like, it's pretty rule intensive, right?

You can't just pick it up. But then again, maybe people think baseball is that way to do. I don't know. All right. Let's go here. Finally on the last part here. Predictions. Got a love predictions.

I suck at them. I am like over 40. My apologies to the Ottawa Senators, because I asked if they'd win over 20, which they have gotten there. It should have been in Detroit Red Wings, and who knew. Yeah, who know. But I mean, it's not like Ottawa's 140 either. True. So.

Okay, so can we assume in the West, who, you've got the blues that avalanche, the stars are going to make it, and let's say the Golden Knights, the Oilers and the Flames? Does anyone disagree with those, and the Knucks? Well, no, no, I don't think Emmington and Calgary a lot. locked in yet. What I'm saying is, you're 76 to 70. Hey, they have a chance not to make it. If we started today, we would have the Battle of Alberta. Yes. That would be awesome. What I'm saying is, I'm, I'm saying those seven teams are making it and there's one outside of the seven that isn't making. If someone disagrees with that, by all means, I'm going to say the predators make it in. I think, I think Nashville and Winnipeg make it. And who's dropping out then? One of Calgary, Vancouver. Which one? This is a prediction, not up. Maybe if, uh,

I want to beat the Calgary Flames in the playoffs, so I can rattle that off to all my friends who I've... I'm going to say Vancouver drops off. Charles? One thing is, is right now Winnipeg has played 67 games. Calgary's played 67 games. There are three points still back to them. I think it's going to be tough.

You know, you look at Nashville. They are tied with Winnipeg right now and still have three games in hand. Whatever. Winnipeg is too good. good of a team they're going to find a way. I have no defense. Who do you think, Carl's. I got St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas,

Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver. And? I think Nashville. I don't think Winnipeg or Arizona or Minnesota for that matter. This was an interesting one, but anyhow, go ahead. Yeah, I think Calgary gets in. I think Nashville gets in. I think the tough one for me is Vancouver,

just because I don't know if Louis DeMaine is necessarily Jacob Markstrom. So I think that can be a tough road to hold down the end here. So I'm going to go to LIMB, and I'm going to say Minnesota gets the eighth spot. Minnesota lost tonight to the capitals, just saying. I know. We lost a couple games too, Shows.

True. Golden Knights are down to 2-0 to L.A. right now too maybe LA's gonna do us a favor is LA still even possible let's see if they've got 88 points are not officially eliminated yet guys okay let's go with the other side I'm gonna say the teams I think are gonna make and you guys anyhow Boston oh Boston Tampa Bay Washington she shocker there Philadelphia Pittsburgh Oh, really? Right on a limb there, Dust.

Oh, so those are the five teams that for sure make it. I think at this point the Maple Leafs probably make it and the Panthers are going to have troubles catching them. They're five points back with 16 games remaining. Leaves are making it. Leaves are going to make it. That's what I say. And then on the other side, you've got the Islanders, Black Hawk.

It's Hurricanes and Rangers making it for one of the last two spots. And you picked who? I'm going to take the Islanders and the Hurricanes. I'm taking Columbus. and the Hurricanes. You think the Islanders miss out, eh? I think the Islanders miss out. You're going to read on for the Islanders, eh?

I do. Islanders are going to make it. Islanders are making it. I'm very trots coaching. Yeah. Yeah. Islanders making it. No, I think that's already wrong.

So who's your last team then if Islanders make it? Well, for me, I agree with you with Toronto. And the only reason I agree with you at Toronto is I don't think they're unbelievable, but I look at who the team's trying to catch them. So Florida just went and took a big dump on themselves. Yes. And so you're like, what is going on there? The Rangers, who I really like as a team,

just have Cryter break his foot and trade away one of the top four defensemen. I just don't think they're there this year. I'd love for them to be there. Okay, so the Maple Leaf's makeup, that still means you need to pick one more from the Metro because you've got the capitals, the Flyers, the Penguins. Well, I got Boston Tampa, Toronto, Washington, Philly, Pittsburgh, New York Islanders. And you got one more, Jay.

And Carolinas squeeze the best. There you go. I'm with death. I think me and Jay are on the same page. I think Carolinas. sneaking in there. Actually, that's all three of us on the same page. Is that all? Just not hardly. It just like to be a little bit different.

Yeah, yeah. I understand. Which, for the final, before I let us all go, the final is, who makes it from the western side of the Stanley Cup finals, who is your Eastern Finals champ, and who wins the Cup? Yeah. Go. Go. Go, Jay. Okay, well, as it sits right now, you would have

Boston versus Carolina first round Tampa, Toronto, Washington, New York Islanders, Philly, Pittsburgh. That would be your... Philly Pittsburgh. Philly Pittsburgh. Yeah, that'd be... You know, in the east,

I'm going to go up the islanders to make the fun. Come on. Are you kidding me? Fasio fought in his first game. I like the room. I like the coach. They got a lot of depth on defense. And they showed last.

Especially they're world beaters. In the West, if you started today, you would have St. Louis play. Well, it depends who you got getting in. But right now it'd be Nashville. Oh, that'd be a dandy. Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, Vancouver, Emmington, Calgary. Okay, well, I'm going to, Vegas is my pick. So I pick Vegas, New York finals.

Nashville is my one dark horse because I've seen teams like I remember San Jose the year I won in the Cup I went with San Jose because they kind of flubbed all year and then when they got together at the right time they were just about unbeatable right and I could see Nashville catching fire now dark horse Nashville okay so who's one in the cup I'm gonna go I'm gonna go on the Islanders who's one in the cup I'm gonna go you know what I'm just gonna go with Vegas because of flirty he's not gonna be gonna be starting in the playoffs. Let me go ahead, Arles.

What? Florey's going to be their starter, now. No. You're saying Lenners are their starter? Yeah, Lennar's going to be their starter by the end. Go ahead, Narls. Well, whatever.

They're one on the coat. You heard of here first. I do like both of goals. I think I got Boston. I know. Shocker there. Good pick, Carl's. Man, they're a solid team.

Yeah. On the West. Probably St. Louis, eh? Actually, I think I'm going to go Colorado. Who's the event cup, Arnold? Old Bean Town. The Boston Brent. Dust?

Me? I love what Vegas did, so I'm picking Vegas from the west. I'm going to take the Tampa Bay Lightning from the east. We just lost Stamcoast. That's right. He'll be back. And I'm going to pick Tampa Bay to win it. You know what Tampa Bay is going to be with Stamcoast coming back?

is when the Colorado Avalanche lost Forsberg at the beginning of their playoffs and he came back halfway through and he was dynamite all the rest of the way through in the one of the cup. Why did I pick last? I mean, I'm going to, you know, I think when we did this

at the start of the year, I picked Toronto Maple Leafs, and man, they have been nothing but ugly and I'm not going with the Toronto Maple Leaf so everybody can, you know, ease off that one. I'm going to pick the Washington. Washington capitals come out of the east again. And they are going to face St. Louis, please. Washington, St. Louis.

Yeah. heard it here first. A couple of years on. Who's win? St. Louis back to back. St. Louis back to back. Wow. Oh, wow.

That's quite the pick. I don't know. Well, we'll see. I wouldn't be going to bag of some $1,000 of dollars on that. Hey, Sean, Patrick Burns, playing for Tampa Bay now, right? You know what I like about doing? Like, we should have predictions once a month, because then someday I'm going to be right. Yeah.

Because right now, I've actually made two predictions for the finals because we may want at the start. I don't even remember who I picked them. I'm hoping Tampa because now I've kind of doubled my odds, right? You know, it's kind of like the old Dodd Cherry thing. So Tampa wins. I said, see? You're here for a first time. But the founders get here?

I looked like a million bucks, eh? Back in August, I called it. That's right. I also make in front of Harald's when I later's made to playoffs. There's no way they're missing the freaking. playoffs. I guess we'll see. I guess we will. Yep, yeah, watch Boston go to the finals. I can't wait till Boston loses out. Well, thanks for hopping on, boys. Thanks for having the show. Thanks for us. Thanks for it. It was great.