Shaun Newman Podcast - Mashup: Federal Leaders Debate

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

(Replay of Thursday's debate)I'm joined by 222 Minutes, Vesper, Clyde Do Something, Julien Newman and Jasmin Laine to watch and discuss tonights National Leaders Debate where Liberal Leader Mark Carney, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and the Bloc Québécois’ Yves-François Blanchet will meet onstage for a final time before the April 28 vote.Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastE-transfer here: [e-mail] Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.caEmail: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]

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Welcome to the Masha Welcome to the MASH up Welcome to the MASSup Welcome to the MASH up Welcome to the Masha Welcome to the Masha Welcome folks I don't know why Tews brought me

And I was waiting for him to do That was interesting interesting. What? What's the matter, Sean? Welcome to Mashup, live debate coverage. We're going to have the English debate here in just about a half an hour, a little less. And we got

a whole bunch of people tuning in. Obviously, if you're on Clyde's YouTube channel, you're going, who are these two knuckle? It's probably not. We've been on several times with Clyde, but twos, Sean, from the mashup, to all of our face. Greetings. Greetings, Clyde.

That's right. To some nights. We got readings one and all. Clyde will be here shortly. He's, he's a dentist department, I think. Yeah.

He's slacking. Either way, we got Clyde coming. He's getting filling and we're filling in. We got Jasmine Lane coming in. We got Bessper coming in. And we have another Newman. Another Newman.

I don't know. I don't like it already. Yeah. Honestly, I just, like, Clyde threw me the idea of should we have this guy on. I feel like I already know enough Newman's. Yes. So tonight we got, we're basically going to live stream the debate. As you can see in the corner, what do you think of the logo tonight, the English old debate?

Oh, I thought it was great. You know what to? The only thing that picture is missing is a plate full of. beans and eggs. You know what's funny. Okay, I'm going to flip it in here for a second. So last night, everybody kept texting me like, where are you guys? Okay.

It was supposed to be Vesper and twos. Vesper did coverage, which was, if you tuned in, it was great to have him narrate the entire thing, right? Translating. But this was supposed to be the cover of last night, right? It was supposed to be Vesper, twos, and you can see the rooster in his French his tire. That's right.

I was quite proud of myself at that. What are you guys? That was well done. I had a day from hell and wasn't making it in time. And then, well, Sean couldn't either. And so we all just kind of left Vesper to his own devices. And the guy hit it out of the park. He did phenomenally well.

Yes, he did. So we're going to have some fun tonight. I mean, obviously, as people roll in when we get a little closer, you know, we're going to be, there's going to be six of us watching this thing. And then in theory, When there's commercial breaks, when there's stoppages, we'll come in, we'll chatter a bit. But we're going to try and leave it to the group of them to, you know, so we can all listen in, watch. I'm not.

If I think it's up to quippy, I am jumping in. Okay. Well, Sean's going to be sitting here allowing you to listen. I respect all of you to let you listen to the debate. That's what I, that's what I think. Yeah. I mean, I respect you all, too, but I just don't really respect Jagmeet Singh very much. much.

That's fair. What did you think of the questions after the French debate? Like, how about the friend of the show, Zoltan, getting to throw one in there? Zoltan, yeah,

yeah, and hitting the nail on the head, basically putting them in between a rock and a hard place. I, you know, it's interesting. He was being kind of, uh,

he was being a little bit coquettish about what he was doing when he was going to Montreal. all. And so I didn't really push it because, you know, obviously he didn't want to say anything about it. And then, and then when I found out that they were going to this and that basically the alternative media full on blitzed the French language debate. And everybody there was just super mad, upset, didn't really have a lot of constructive criticism. Uh, Jagmeet Singh, of course, refused to take Dreia Humphreys question, which, her being a, woman of color made him a sexist racist.

You know, to be the French and be late. You know, Fasper, come on. Come on. Come on. Be on time for me. Be on time for me. You're muted. You're muted. And that is probably two's doing it to you.

But, you know. No, I didn't. I don't, you're the only guy I messed with. Nah, that was me, man. I didn't, I was just busy listening to. Can I just say. As they're saying. Teasing away.

I thought you did an excellent. job last night i tuned in for a bunch of it i was i was uh having fun here here just for for vesper i showed them this already but this was supposed to be last night's uh background for you to yahoo's there it is the french debate you know yeah all it was i was like this is an idea i'm like i can't be there i got to be somewhere else you know it was a good idea look full disclosure i had no idea what was going on until the last somebody sent me there was like 35 3 600 people listening I was like, what the hell? I was cracking jokes.

I was trying my best to explain it. So everyone that was messaging me, I didn't want to fail anyone. So I just kept trying to translate. And then when I saw your thing, I was like, why didn't you send it earlier? I would have put that on the stream. Oh, crap. Crap. Crap.

That's right. You know what's funny, twos, with this rooster? I put them with poutine first. And so at the start, he had this big bowl of poutine. And I'm like, this looks a bit, a bit much, a bit much. Sure I removed the Poutine and the whole point, though. I was going to say the only thing it's missing is Poutine, a baguette, and a white flag. Hello to you too.

Hi, Canada. I'm on the mashup. This is going to be fun tonight. I'm looking forward to this, you know? Yes. Yeah, with the added caveat that, that like, there's going to be the only one Quebecer here and the only Quebecer here that was listening to the debate yesterday is going to have the ends on what's being said as an opposite. You guys must have not watched just mine. I hope you watched the regular

translation also. It was, tell me it wasn't funny that one time when Carney, who was really like trying to stay out of the way was talking about like, we're going to allow rebates for everybody right across Canada with this oil thing. We're going to do it. We're going to give everyone gets a rebate in Canada. And you see Blanchette go, We did not get, what rebate? We didn't get a rebate? He says, no, no, no, you got a rebate. We didn't get a rebate.

And then they went back to JagMeet and he's like, no, no, no, no, I have a question. I have a question. What rebate are you talking about? That was the funniest thing in the whole thing. Like, it showed you the whole show that Quebec just cares about Quebec. They couldn't care, give a fly about anybody else. And I don't know if it's because it was in Montreal, but it's everything was about Quebec. And he's like, we fought to make Quebec be recognized as a nation, not a society.

Did you guys pick up on that? Did the translators do a good job telling you that? That that's how Yves Blanchet sees it? I miss that. But he did say that basically in the next few years he wants to push for another referendum, which I think he should. And I think that you need to, I think it's all set up totally backwards. It shouldn't be that a clear majority needs to be there for a province to leave.

I think a clear majority needs to be there for you to stay. The default should be this isn't working. And if we want to keep Confederation together, it needs to be something that's overwhelmingly positive for everybody involved. Instead of how many different provinces who are at best middlingly neutral regarding the continuation of this. At the end of the day, you got to face it. And Sean, I mean, you and twos can't deny it.

Forget all the money that we've received from you. Believe it or not, I actually made a background. Okay. I made a background that was supposed to be a digital background. And by the way, for everybody that's on X, Sean asked me to also basically send us out to my street, to my... Are you on now? Yeah, perfect.

I think so. Yeah. Yeah, sweet. Hey, Vesper. What do you call them? I don't know. People who follow Vesper. They're called assholes. Assholes. All right. Surrounded by assholes. Yeah. No, I'm just kidding. They're not assholes. What I'm just saying is it's, it's just ironic that, you know, while we've taken a lot of money, we were paying into this whole carbon debacle, carbon tax debacle, but we were getting nothing out of it. And I only, I don't know why this skipped my mind until Blanchet brought it up, that we haven't gotten anything from the rebates. in this province.

So how much money would you say that that's been taken out of each province or is it different each province? It's definitely different. Like, for example, BC's had a provincial one for like 20 years. And then also, I mean, it depends on the specific industries as well.

We're at the perfect time of day to do this because I'm going to have the sun coming in and it's going to be shifting as we go. But, I mean, it's been a lot of money. Although, to be fair, actually,

the Eiff Blanchette and Elizabeth May did a thing where they actually posed with the equalization money this year. Did you see this? Did you see this, Eli? No. I feel like we're tuning into the movie, the Italian job. Where's the mini cars that pulled off the heist? You know, I'm laughing because we're the beneficiaries of this,

and I know a lot of Alberton's are probably in Westerners seeing going like, yeah, you think that's funny? I do because I do because how the hell did you let us get away with it for this long? I don't know, man. It's crazy. I can't believe they stood by this whole time reaping all this money and now they're complaining about the carbon tax. What on 10 years? We got how much money?

All of it. Vesper, you've had a bunch of people saying that you're super quiet too, by the way. Hmm. It's possible. I don't know why. Is this better? Oh, it's because you're not even looking at it. the microphone, let alone speaking into it.

Yeah, no. I got to go like this. Oh, can everybody hear me? Can everybody hear me? Or maybe I could talk like this. All right, fine. Sorry, all your technicalities. I didn't know.

A Vesper, you're yelling, Vesper. It is very normal for Quebec to be angry. You guys have been taking all of our money. You took all the carbon tax. You did not give us a penny. Why should I not yell, Vive la Quebec? Just call it equalization. There is nothing equal between us and you.

Okay. We are nice. We dress in French clothing. We say speak in a French lisp. We are very different than you Westerners. You guys work in the mines. We work in the dams. I feel like you guys wouldn't talk like that if you wore comfortable pants. We don't like comfortable pants because quite frankly, we think the number of children should be limited. So what we do is we wear the tight pants. That way our numbers are always stable. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, they're tight enough that I can see where you stand on the whole Israel-Palestine thing. I don't know what I have to say about that.

All I care about is that we are a nation. That's it. That's all we care about. And we don't want immigrants. Sean kicked himself out of it. Well, I just feel like it's, I might as well give it a few minutes, you two going back and forth, Vesper speaking. No, I'm not.

I'm not speaking in anything. I wanted to see what you guys had to say. That's why I came in a mute. Okay, well, what do you think is going to, what do you think is going to happen? What happened tonight? Let's go back for it. Sean, what do you think is going to happen tonight? Politicians on stage.

It's going to be mind-numbing. Pierre is a fantastic public speaker. I think he's going to do okay. Well, okay, how did you both think he, who did what yesterday? I had my takeaways. What were your take place? I mean, it depends who we ask. The NDP, both of the NDP supporters thought Jagmeet Singh killed it.

Elizabeth May still hasn't sobered up. I literally sent Elizabeth May an email yesterday asking if she'd come on the podcast. Offer every bottle of rum. I was about to say, did you offer booze? Because if you offered booze, she would lickety split. She'd take me up on it? Lickety split. No, I think that Pollyab came out slightly ahead, which I mean, everybody seemed to agree with,

because conservatives said that they destroyed Kearney and capital letters, which is basically what they say no matter what. And I know, I know, I know, but I'm saying, Who's got a slight echo? Is anybody else getting an echo? Yes, who is that? That's not me. Say it again.

All right, I'm trying for an echo here. It is totally, it is totally Vesper, isn't it? It's Vesper? I have my headphones on. I don't know. I got no echo. Hold on. But I have an echo.

Like two days ago, you had an echo on your, like, whole stream, and now you're accusing me of the echo. I am accusing you. This is what you're doing with the Quebecers. Remove the French. All of a sudden, it all goes away. You take everything from us, even the audio issues. And it is just like you Westerners, you blame all the things on us, the Quebec. You make no problem.

You are all saints. Yes. No, okay, is it, is it much better now? Yeah, actually. Oh, wait. I can hear it. I can hear it. It's ever so faint.

I don't know. Can anybody else hear it? Okay, well, if nobody else cares, I'm just going to keep going with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. I'll turn off the, I'll turn on the echo cancellation button. Is this better? I think so.

Yeah, check, check. Yes. Hey. So we had an echo. So let's get this straight. It was the French button. You were looking at this. You were looking at this button on your screen called echo cancellation.

And you didn't think that it would be a button worth pushing. It's not in French. I do not take it, okay? Simple. Prop of them. Sean, who do you think won yesterday? For me, it's hard when I can't. I don't know if this is the right answer, Vesper, but one of the things is hard, I don't speak French, right?

I know that's obvious. That is the right answer, Sean. But like when I can't, like, I can see the body language and I can hear the interpreter speaking the words. I don't know. Like it's just, to me, when I walk around today, it's like, well, who won? It's like, well, I like what Pierre was saying in a bunch of it. That's what I like. But like, nobody's talking about it.

Not a single soul that I walked into today. Yesterday I walked into the vault. We were doing ball stuff for the kids. and I had you on my phone and when you were talking and laughing and like, everyone kind of gave me a weird I'm like, I'm just watching the French debate

and everyone's like the what? And I'm like, okay, well, this is, this is Lloyd Minster, you know, not too many people paid attention last night. That's my takeaway. What the hell of the debate are you watching?

In the town, it was actually watching it. And Vassar's going back and forth. Anyways, I think the winner, my takeaway, Last night was BESPR. I thought you did a fantastic.

Yeah. Well, thank you. Actually, that's pretty good. That's, I like that. Now, wait a second. Wait a second. I assume this is the other Newman. Yes.

Julian. Hey, Sean. Yeah. Hello, Newman. Newman. Hey, how are you? Nice to meet you. You know you're a winner when.

That's right. I assume it's felt the right way. Any W.M.A.N. Am I right? It is. Sweet. Yeah. Yeah.

So we have a new man on the show. Correct. Correct. That is right. Yeah, get all your things out tos right now, okay? Oh, really? Really? I've been getting them out for like 153 episodes. Fair enough. Julian, welcome to baptism. Yeah, yeah. You got Bessper. You got twos. You got myself. We've heard some great stuff about you. I don't know what everybody else has heard. Do you want to give yourself a quick intro? The debate starts 13 minutes. Yes.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm first and foremost an entrepreneur based on Silicon Valley and I lived part of the time here in Ottawa, which is my hometown. And in a past life, I worked for the NDP. So I was the head of operations or the COO for Tom O'Kare when he was the leader. And I worked for Jack Leighton as a head of Quebec for him at the party HQ. So as a new Democrat for many, many, many years, I'm still new Democrat. Democrat and an active new Democrat, but my main job now is not in politics. How do you feel about the election so far as a new Democrat?

Well, as a Canadian or as a normal, rational person, I feel is really boring and stupid. Not even, like, I don't know. I've found it to be kind of fun and exciting. I mean, oh, really? Jagmeet Singh, he. did the uh he did the old only fans girl video uh and then and then he followed it up just the other day with the house of pain jump around thing with a woman in a wheelchair i mean there's there's been no shortage of entertainment in this and i think i the translation might have been a little

bit off but i think last night mark carney said that he was going to give everybody purple pineapples. Oh, strange. Yeah. It could have just been his French rather than the translation. But yeah, it's been, I don't know, it's been a little bit fun.

What do you find boring about it? I don't know, like, what the issues are. Like, they just, at least in the mainstream media, like they're just going on and on about the trade war. And, you know, Americans have kind of moved on.

They don't care. There's no trade war anymore. The trade war ended, but the media seems to just, like, want to make it a thing, and they're constantly talking about it. Yeah, they do. It looks, I don't know, from this side,

as though they want to make it a thing because if we look at what the liberals have been doing for the past decade, that becomes a thing, and that's not going to go well for the liberals. Yeah, but you got to also make it very clear that we don't have a media here. We have a propaganda arm of the socialist party of Canada.

And the only thing they have left is Trump. So it's almost like that movie Euro Trip, if you've ever watched it, Julian, where they went to Bratislava. Where Trump's her safe word? No, no, hold on. When they went to Bratislava and this guy walks out of a like dilapidated house and goes, hey, don't touch this.

I like it. You know, like he's watching, listening to music from like the 80s because that's all they have. Yeah. We're late, not on purpose. It's not like Netflix is not sending our American movies to Canada. They're purposely keeping Trump as the, the antagonizer here for them because what else do they have? Well, to make your point, where I am now, it's a condo I rent near my house where that I work from. And I share it with a local member of parliament where I live, who's a liberal.

So I've been to their office And their office is just like It's all these like not 51st state Pins and they're just obsessed of that Like that that is fine I think as you say Like that's their strategy like them and the liberal media To just be like this is Mark Carney versus Donald Trump The thing is Donald Trump kind of moved on

Like before the election even started like it's a non non-sory. So if you turn on the news, they're just pending that that's a thing when like, don't Trump or trade or China. Like he doesn't care about Canada anymore. Guys, we got, we've got a guest waiting to jump on. I don't know. Did you guys notice or not? There you go, Jasmine. I did. I did. I was waiting for them to end up points to. Jasmine, how are you doing

this evening? Oh, you know, just peachy. What can I say? Just, you know, over here, stressed out, excited, encouraged. What are you stressed out about? I'm stressed out about what my future is going to look like in the next little while. But, you know, fingers crossed. Everything goes according to what I hope is the best plan. Yeah, I don't know.

You know, after the everything that happened last night and following the media response from it, it was pretty concerning to say the least. And I just can't wait to see what happens. It hopefully will be fun and exciting. I saw somebody in the comments say they just kicked out Ezra Levant Rebel News from the debate. So that should be something definitely worth talking about. Was he there yesterday for the French one? Do we know?

Yes. Menzies was there. He was asking a question after. I think it was after Zoltan. But Menzies, I saw him definitely asking a question. But did you see Ezra there? I didn't, I didn't see Ezra there. know, but Rebel was represented is what I'm saying.

Yeah. Yeah. That is insane, actually. Can we just take a moment to talk about that? Like, I'm sorry, you kicked out Ezra. Why? Well, I don't know. I mean, I could, I, let me be the Jamie for a minute.

You guys keep speculating and I'll be Jamie. No, listen, there's antagonizers. There's always going to be an antagonizer. And I think for the most, part rebel news does a really good job in terms of reporting but i think they just don't want the handlers for the the opposition parties or maybe the other people to be asked questions now i know they're pro-conservative in the sense that they support paul yeah but let's be honest the the rest of the i mean yesterday listening to the the stream while we were translating it i couldn't get

but help get the feeling that it was three on one like just on the question of petroleum Every one of them was all for eco-friendly, green, everything, which is fine. But the only one that said yes to the question was Pierre Paulyev. And it just seemed like there was this split between Jagmeet Singh, Iblanchet, Carney on one side, and everybody else. And then there was just Pierre Paulyev all by himself, just kind of smiling, going, this is what I stand for. Honestly, the only guy that represented the entire middle class yesterday, not in the sense that none of the other. do, but the only one that was fighting for West and energy and trade and cutting bureaucracy and so on was Pierre.

But you can imagine the three other parties have a lot to answer for. And I don't think they're going to want news agencies coming in asking really tough questions, in my opinion, Jasmine. I, no, I completely agree with you. It's just one of those things where it's so frustrating because it's almost as though these people seem to forget that they work for us. And they're just, they're just, you know, it's, I'm very tired of the lack of transparency and I'm very tired of the narrative pushers. And I think, you know, at the very least, I understand that at times you may not like the questions that some of these individuals ask and that's fine, sure, whatever.

However, they do represent a portion of the population, nonetheless, a portion of the population that at times can feel under-resented. What am I saying? Underrepresented, there we go, among other things. And so it's just very frustrating to see how one-sided things have become. And I miss the days when politics were boring, I guess. That's probably the best way I can sum that all up. That's very well put. And it's definitely not boring right now.

So Ezra Levant has just been removed by security. He physically invaded CBC's broadcast space and threatened violence. It seems there may have also been a physical fight in the media room instigated by Rebel News. No. Seems a little doubtful. This is like this is this is this is an Alex Jones chank yogurt scenario. I'm sorry, what did you just call him? Alex Jones slash chank yogurt.

Okay. Keen Baxnees says breaking the debates commission has Ezra Levant in a holding room after a Hill Times blogger verbally attacked him in the media room. And he was just tweeting a little bit before. Debates chief Michael Cormier tells CTV news that he intends to limit the participation of independent journalists by changing the rules yet again. he explicitly said he will keep his proposed changes secret until the last possible moment. So it's interesting. There's a whole lot of he said, she said going around right now. And believe it or not, the people who just mindlessly slander this stuff seem to be the least believable.

Oh, CBC's reporting on it right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Are they reporting that a seven foot tall Ezra Levant, personally said that he was going to make Canada great again and that he is, I don't know, murdering kittens. That is so crazy. That's exactly what they said, actually.

Yeah. And they're nothing if not predictable. Hold on. I mean, to be fair, we are talking about a guy that's willing to take like a two mile walk following like a Jeff Bezos or who's the guy, Borla. To be fair, I mean, have you seen Jeff Bezos's new fiancé? I would, I'd walk behind that for a couple miles.

Same. I second that. No homo, but I would. Maybe a little homo. No, no, I don't know. Yes, though. She is a beautiful lady for sure. Yes.

And she's so down to earth. Thanks for inviting me, Sean. Welcome to what we do on this side. You know, it's always the women that surprise us. You remember the first, what was it, BC when Anita Krishna and the glory hole thing? And that just sent us like completely off base of where we're trying to get. I'm sorry. What did it say about that?

Oh, it was a whole side thing. It was the whole COVID glory hole thing you're all here for the debate. I know you're all here for the English debate. I know it. But you're here for the laughter too. And we're going to have some fun tonight. That's what the glorious holes. And for the, yeah, there you go.

All right. Julian, I never want to hear that come out of your mouth again. No, so listen, just on a quick note, in terms of what I think is going to happen today is going to be no different than yesterday. Everyone has already shown their cards. All we're looking for is like chinks in the armor of what was being said and what has been said and how they did it can call them that. Yeah, we can. Chinks in the armor. That is actually, that's true.

That's a thing. called out on that once when I was doing morning radio and I had to Google it and I was like so that's actually what it's called. So let's call it Arabs in the armor. I get to say that. I get to say that. I'm an Arab.

So I'm an Arab so I get to say that, right? So all right. Being the only non-white person here in black and white because I don't believe in color. You need to run for the Democratic Party. Yeah. I do amazing. I'm sure I do amazing.

Give me all your money. Do you have a Maserati? I don't need a Maserati. You get the Maserati. You can't run the NDP without a Maserati. Habibi, you get in, then you get the Maserati. Julian, can you run the NDP without a Maserati? Is that a thing?

Nowadays, no, apparently. You know, I think I told this story to Jasmine, but Jack Layton, he was such a bum. And I used to harass him to dress better. Okay. And in the last election, 2011, I kind of gave him all of my ties. So I was like, Jack, your ties looked like crap. So he stole all my ties.

And he died and took my ties with him. But like he got buried with your ties? No, but I never got them back. I don't know who. All piled on him, too. He was in a blanket of ties. Julian Newman's style That all these like $200 Zena ties

And he took them all for the campaign And he'd wear them And but then he Anyways the point is He didn't have a Maserati He had a he'd wand around on a bicycle Yeah no but but honestly This is what you I hope today we're going to see

We're going to just see everybody that's going to come on and say the same thing I wouldn't be shocked if you're going to hear for the first time Blanchet say clearly what he wants He does not want to be part of Canada. He's been saying this way before Alberta. He just wants to get out and he's like, we're a nation. Tews, are we going? Tews.

You got it there? Yeah. Well, let's get to her. Oops. If, as you have stated, our relationship with the U.S. is over as we know it. Well, first, Steve, may I thank you and also thank fellow leaders for their service to Canada. What a stupid name. home for taking the time to watch. I just want to underscore the premise to your question because

I think the relationship that we've had with the United States, relationship over the course of almost the last four decades, which has been one of steady and increasing integration, has fundamentally changed because the president is looking to fundamentally restructure the trading system. So the starting point has to be one of strength. It has to show that we have control of our own economic destiny, has to have a clear plan. here at home to build this economy, to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries, and also has to have a position of strength in terms of our reaction to the U.S. unjustified tariffs. Is he wearing it, Daisy?

Counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here at home. Mr. Pahliav, would you do anything differently? Well, first of all, thank you. He's wearing Canada. Actually, you know what? We need to get somebody excellent. military to chime in on what that is. What would I do different?

Well, I'll start by what I would do the same. I don't know if we do need to counter the American tariffs with our own to deter this economic aggression. We must make clear that we will always be sovereign and independent. What would I be doing differently? Well, we need to be in a position of strength. The liberal government has weakened our economy with anti-energy laws, red tape and high taxes that have driven $500 billion out of our country into the United States.

It's a tax. You're going to respond to high taxes with higher taxes? It's incapable of shipping our resources overseas. That weakness threatens our ability to stand up for herself. So what I would cut taxes, red tape, and approve our resource projects so that we can get our goods to market and bring home the jobs. So we stand up to President Trump from a position of strength. Which we are not in right now. We trust the United States to work with us on matters such as Arctic sovereignty and defense. policy. I think we've seen, first of all, good evening, everyone, and thank you for tuning in,

and thanks for the question, Steve. We've seen what for a lot of people, it feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States. I grew up in a border town. I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how- He changed his turban color. And as a community, people live- It was blue yesterday. The other people traveled back and forth all the time. We're in the automotive capital of Canada, and we knew how important it was to be able to build cars in Canada, but we saw that those cars went back and forth across the border. Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada in this unprovoked way, without any justification, really felt like a betrayal. And so Canadians

now are right to say, well, we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point, and we can't really have a lot of faith in it. So when it comes to our poverty and our security, we need to make decisions that are in our best interest and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S. And that's what I would advocate for, making sure we are resilient, independent, and less dependent on the United States. So he said that the thing was unprovoked. Would you want to see for industries affected by terrorists? But also that Canada has been dependent and reliant on them, which was why Trump said this in the first. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

In Quebec and Montreal, you have me because I try not to speak English in Montreal. However, I think we should never underestimate the trip that Mr. Trump poses on Quebec. It's a threat. He is a threat. economy. Tread. We must acknowledge the fact that the economy is built differently. Yeah, equalization, motherfucker. The necessity for Quebec to have at least partly. Did he say Mississippi or necessity is important? The difference between Quebec and Canada is very important in terms of economy, but also in terms of identity and language and values and who we got that, Steve,

got that too. Who you are? So who you are. We have the right. You know that there's double use, right? You guys can try the both from time to time. Whoever becomes Prime Minister of Canada, we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners. Merci, Monsieur Blanchet. Okay, we now move into. Maint thing that's good about the debate is that they don't have the green part. We go from there. That is probably the best part about the debate.

Dollar for dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses. No, and in fact, we've already moved off. By the way, look where CBC has them on the screen. They have them on top of the screen, Carney. As number one. As the Canadian economy. And the principle in terms of our counter-teriors... What are you saying in your vestibre?

Are you looking at the screen? They have him on top. So we have to think about... You'll see it when they turn back to the whole scene. I'll give you one example, if I may. In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs, is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, If they maintain their investments here, when I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production in Canada, then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States.

That's literally Trump said. You're saying that he's evil for doing it and you're doing literally the exact same thing. I know you're pressed for time. The Canadian auto parts. Oh, my word. So that it can remain competitive with the United States. We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harmonizing the harmonization. in the US.

Mark Carney is literally going to be talking about how it's going to be huge. You claim that you want our country to respond with strength. But after the last decade, half of which time you've been Justin Trudeau's economic advisor. Booyah! Shots! It's been the worst growth in the G7. We've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of the border. You supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave

Donald Trump and the U.S. a near monopoly over our energy. And now you want to keep in place Bill C-69, the liberal no new development law that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas. He's so smug how he like signals. I think it's a good idea. To give the Americans. But it's beautiful. So respectful.

When you have seen how much these liberal policies have weakened our country, over the last decade. Let Mr. Karni respond. I'm sorry. My man. So let's go to my record. My record is a month long as prime minister. No, it isn't.

You get the ventriloquist guy the whole time. And the whole crowd's booing you. And so you pulled off the dummy. You pulled your hand out of the dummy's ass. You said, okay, now part two of the show and it's just me. And you're going to pretend like it wasn't you controlling the dummy the whole time? I've done an agreement for them. To have one Canadian economy,

instead of 13. Instead of 13. First point. The federal government to do its part. Does size matter, everyone? When did Nova Scotia have an economy? Size always matters. Commit with respect to project reviews.

The question was about. I'm getting to it. Thirdly, one project, one review, and relying, relying on provincial, yes, it is possible on our system. It is the impact assessment. It is agreed on the impact assessment framework. And we have a cooperation agreement.

with British Columbia already. We're looking forward to them with the other promises. We will move forward. We've got to let you. Thank you, please. Of course, we agree around having a strategic response to the United States. But what I'm concerned about is what we're doing here in Canada. We are already seeing threats to our country in that just the threats alone of the tariffs have

made Canadians have lost their jobs. The threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now, the impact of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in the next couple weeks are yours. That's for sure. who are going to use in their jobs. And while Mr. Carney, you had time, as you mentioned, not very long time, but as prime minister, you showed us your priorities. The first thing you did is you had traveled, you made a tax cut for billionaires,

which was reversing on the capital gains. So you gave a tax cut to millionaires. But you didn't have time to increase the amount that workers get on EI. Right now workers who are struggling and wondering what am I going to do? Same idiot that brought them up. Workers aren't on EI. That's kind of the whole point. Is it when they're already no longer workers.

40 years ago, that would have worked. But that's not even the point. This is the same guy that propped up, the same government that did all this. And who threatened to sue me when we tried to get them to... I forgot about that. I'm sorry. Wait a second here.

This guy threatened to sue you? He threatened to sue me and he banned me from the party personally. He didn't either saying one thing in French and the number one in English. We'll get to that real quick. Yeah. There's a There's a daisy pin in that one. Hold on, the French is talking.

There's only one French guy. You would use emergency powers in order to do so. And two days later in Montreal, you said that you would never do that without the approval of Quebec. What's the point of using emergency powers if you do have the agreement of Quebec? However, I do agree with you.

It's important to be very strong in front of Mr. Trump. However, I would keep the dollar for dollar policy. Don't be weak in front of Mr. Trump. And those counter-terrorists have to be targeted. You have put out already two billions of dollars for Ontario auto industry, car industry, and the lumberwood industry in Quebec has already paid to United States two billions of dollars, and you have not raised one finger in order to help us. Let's get from Mr. Poliyev and then a response from Mr. Carney. Well, Mr. Carney refused to answer the question about pipelines. Just the other day, he said that he doesn't necessarily think we need to build pipelines.

Let me tell you what that means. Right now, the Americans get 97% of oil. He said he wants a pipeline of talent. Gas exports at big discounts. We have to send Canadian oil from Western Canada through the states just to get it back to Quebec. No, we sent through the Panama Canal. Oh, well, yeah, I guess line five to you, yeah. Liberal law C-69 would affect, which effectively bans pipelines.

The 14 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project. And I asked Mr. Carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export. Plus the $100 million worth of Russian oil we bought last year. This liberal law, isn't it because you are exactly in the same, in the same way, line as Justin Trudeau and the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet. At least Trudeau had better hair. Let me pick up a couple of points. The shape of his skull is very often.

The carbon tax. Yeah, it's because it's a lizard mask. He's made a commitment that all proceeds, all proceeds from our terrorists will go to workers and those companies most effects. There were several points. If I may regress, I'm trying to do it quickly because several points raised. All proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective. And those proceeds are considerable.

Third thing, I'm interested in solutions. I'm interested in getting energy infrastructure built. That means pipelines. That means carbon capture storage. That means electricity grids. And here's how you do it. And we've already moved in the first month. Cooperation agreements with the provinces.

Guess what? We are a federation. You need to cooperate with Quebec. You need to cooperate with the provinces. You need to get First Nations and indigenous people buy-in. You can do that through the one project, one review window that we put in place at that first minister's meeting, as well as, if necessary, using emergency powers to fulfill the federal responsibility, but not the uniqueness. Mr. Palliab, you want to come back on that?

What you're saying, Mr. Carney, with respect, is a total contradiction. The no-do development law C-69 guarantees there will not be one-stop shop because it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate the same project. Have no regulation. Have one stop. Someone's carrying water.

Let's just let him finish this. That is not true. Incredibly hyperpolling. The reality is we should have strong rules enforced once. We shouldn't have multiple levels of that take it takes no 16 years.

Get a major project four years from now. That is why. Jagweed. is not going to be allowed in the debate. The worst economic growth in our, in the entire. It's the first time I've ever heard you talk about the environment. Liberal term, we need a change.

And the conservative plan, it's weird how you're arguing with the government. I don't know, man. I would feel like I'd be arguing with a Q-Tip. Talk to me. Talk to me. About who's more pro-pip line. I think what we need to do is, I mean, it's clear. The liberals bought a pipeline.

C-Tip. I don't know what Piero is complaining about. That's what they did. I think what we need to do. That's not the fact that they're still talking about that as though the liberals bought Alberta pipeline. To build a national project that creates good jobs. It strengthens us for the future. It's intentionally dishonest.

Anybody who from surstictions in provinces across this beautiful land is either an idiot or trying to lie to you. Businesses for people. He's both. He's both. The energy of the future that we need. Mr. Carney. Three quick points. First, the pipeline built.

Yes, TMX built. That's why oil export. up 50% over the course last few years. Secondly, Mr. Singh is absolutely right about the East-West grid. Grid interconnections, which is part of the energy corridor, huge opportunities for this country. We have to be able to do more than one thing.

Third point, fundamental point. We can give ourselves more than Donald Trump can ever take away. If we have one Canadian economy, not 13, and if we just look at that agreement, we go to- Centralize all power. New York, Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their steps towards this.

This is within our grasp. Monsieur Blanchet, what should we be prepared to concede in our negotiations with the United States? I want to be back to something that Mr. Carney said. You can't do something in the opposite, and you can't feel people's... Definitely like how he ignored the question. Quebec has by law its own environmental review institution. And you cannot through a federal decision, even through a Quebec government decision over, go over the BAP, as we call it.

If the BAP says no, it's no. I know. I know. This is the point. This is, if I may, this is the point. The federal government can do the following, which is to take the decision to abide by the decision of the Quebec. That is within the federal government's power. That is no cooperative federalism.

That's what we need. This is what we need. This is what we need to do in a crisis. No, it is not. And then Mr. Pellier, yeah. The building of those pipelines will take at least, at least 14 years. Oh, it's worse. Trump will be 90 years old.

Not somebody of course less terrible will be there before. before you can even dream of having this pipeline of viewers. We're less than a minute to go. Mr. Pollyev, I promised you next. And after the last 10 years of liberals blocking pipelines and killing jobs, sounds wild. We actually need to get things done. He needs to start.

He needs to talk faster. And our conservative plan for change will repeal the no new pipelines law. It will create a true one-stop shop set up ready, shovel-rides. By the way, notice, he's the only one. with a Canadian flag on his suit. Liquefaction export. I don't know what the daisy means. Pipelines.

I think it's something for nurses, but that doesn't check out. Electric dams so that we can generate the power we need to be strong, self-reliant, and stand on our own two feet for change. Last quick word of Mr. Carney. Okay, quick word. Bringing it back to what we're talking about,

which is tariffs, the threats to Canada, how to negotiate. We need these options. We need these options to build domestically to communicate as a public figure. We need to act. We need to diversify our trade partners. And that is our time.

That is our time. Okay. You know my job tonight. It talks like he's in a boardroom, not a, not a debate. Well, you spend his whole career in border as well on making sure that everybody gets rough justice. That guy looks like a cartoon character. That concludes our first section and our first debate up next.

He kind of looks like Johnny Bravo. If Johnny Bravo was, wasn't blonde. Like if Johnny Bravo had a really hard decade or two? Yeah. Load your bills, bills homes. like if he was 48 on his third marriage and living in a van. A big powerful bring it home tax cut on work.

So where's Klein? Clyde said he was going to be coming in soon. Yeah, also he was just lout. He went and got his teeth looked at. So, yeah. Yeah, he's getting his zoobes take. I thought it was absolutely fascinating that Jagman Singh in, They tricked us.

They tricked us. The back? Yeah. Average house for $450,000. But in the last lost liberal decade, housing costs have doubled, rising faster than in any country in the G7. And so now our youth

cannot afford a home and our seniors are worried about being evicted. We can't afford a fourth liberal term of rising housing costs. We need a change. And our conservative plan for change will, one, acts the federal sales tax on new homes. Two, incentivize municipalities to cut their construction taxes, to bring houses down and cost by $100,000. Three, sell off federal land for homes. And four,

train up 350,000 young trades workers who can help build those homes because you deserve a home and we're going to make it happen for a change. Also on the issue of affordability, Mr. Singh, you got the next question. How do you bring down grocery prices? in the midst of a trade war. Okay, everybody, a little talk. I appreciate the question. This is a big concern. When I talk to Canadians, they tell me they're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living.

That's one of the top things that people tell me about. People are saying, I can't afford to buy groceries. Every time I go to the grocery store, it's just a feeling of worry and this feeling of anxiety that can I actually afford the things that my family needs. Why am I saying that people are worried of the cost of homes? I think those are the two biggest things I hear. So we can do things about this. Other countries have taken concrete steps.

We can put in a price cap on food essentials. France has done it. Greece has done it to great success. It's brought down the cost of food significantly in both those jurisdictions. Russia did it. They also banned corporate levels from flying up the affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable, affordable. We can make things better for Canadians, but it requires having the courage to take on the powerful corporations that are ripping you off,

that are price gouging you. And we know that price gouging. Like Brookfield. Why food prices are going up. You're never going to hear Pierre Pahliav or Mr. Carney talk about it. There's literally knows this thing as price chaotic. Thank you, Mr. Singh. That's time.

Mr. Mnoucher, I want to ask you about old age security, which will soon cost this country $100 billion annually. We understand you would like to expand it. How would you pay for that? Bro, doesn't his brother, Gouratan, have lobbying for Metro against Loblaws? Yeah, he's a lobbyist for Metro. 65 to 75 years old, having 10% less income from federal government than those who are. are over 75. But the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of taxed,

which means that one should not... You know, the NEP did research into why they lost all their seats in Quebec? And the number one reason is Jaguance, not to pay billions of dollars in taxes. I assumed it was because they didn't have a single policy based on basic economics. The main thing that you'd call voters and ask them, they could... And it's like, why did you use hope for us? Why did you stop? It's like this fucking guy looks like he's running, he's a prime minister of Punjab.

Despite the fact he was born in Newfoundland, I want to say. I don't know. But that's how people... Born in Canada. In Quebec, that's how people thought. I don't know the rest of Canada. That's time for this one. Mr. Carney, I want to ask you about housing, which over the past decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while the liberals were in power.

Is your policy on getting home? Totally looks like he doesn't give a rip. About any of this. It's kind of got a resting bitch face. Entered this contest because of the housing crisis. The housing crisis and the Trump crisis to help to help fix it. When did we get Biden to run for prime minister? That's what I would know.

We are always behind on the U.S. aren't we? At a rate that we haven't seen since the end. Come on, man. We do need a fundamentally different. approach. And with the fundamentally different approach, we can build an entirely new industry. So the question is how. Now, Mr. Polyev and I... What's that industry? New industry. I agree as well on reducing... Modular? On the first-time home purchases as a way to buy. But I am focused on increasing the supply

of homes. And doing that in a way that uses Canadian technology and modular prefabrication. It's used to the Indian lumber, including in Brookfield. And uses Canadian technology. Brooklyn. Modular. Minecraft. We're going to turn Canada into Minecraft. You get the first comment. Well, those modular homes are just like RVs, essentially.

They want to ask everyone to live in an RV can. Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, would you cut the GST on anything else in order to make life more affordable? Absolutely. In fact, I'm the only one on this stage that fought to give people at GST holiday. Interestingly, I love that you said RV when it really looks more like freight containers. by taking off the GLC off essentials. That way we can get shipped off. Do you imagine it's like a Mickey Mouse movie?

You're sleeping and they just pick up your home and put it on the tree. It shows you whose side is on, which is not surprising. But what is surprising that they're giving people a break on their GSC is a bad idea. Mr. Karney, why do you think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that are a good idea, but helping a family and for their groceries? Why does he think they earn more than a million dollars? It's capital gains on a quarter million.

Internet, the cell phone, their home heating. It's after-taxed money. Those is a bad idea. But giving a tax break to people who really only earn. He comes off as a major lightweight. Two's check your text. First, I'm going to give him the first shot to respond. Well, Mr. Carney, the reality is.

No, nobody texted me. Are we texting each other now? I can send secrets. Because I have an echo every time I tell. You are now repeating. He promised that he would double home building. In fact, home building went down. He promised that he reduced the cost.

In fact, it went up. And do you guys think they all got the same Taylor to do all their suits? For a fourth liberal term repeating the exact same liberal promises. They all looks like they have the same suit. They do. Why do you have to point that out? For the election, the liberals voted again. It is true.

You just ruined it for me. Except Blanchet, except no, exactly. Build up bureaucracies that block construction. We need a change so that you can afford a home. And our change will be, again, to ax the sales tax on new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits, free up land, and cut development costs, train up 350,000 young people who can be in the trades to build those homes and sell off the land that is going to be needed in order to build homes. That is a real plan, a real plan for you to own a home and afford it your life for a change.

Mr. Carney, they're coming at you from both sides. What do you say? Okay. I know it may be difficult, Mr. Polyev. You spent years running against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax. And neither, they're both gone. Okay. They're both gone. No, they're not. And we're in a new person.

You're the guy who has hands up the house the whole time. Look, I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau. What? Trudeau has better hair. And so how to drive results in the housing market, you've got to change the model of building. You've got to increase the financing for, housing developers, $25 billion on the table for those housing developers, $10 billion for deeply affordable homes, cutting development charges in half, lowering the cost of the building of those homes

by 20%. Sounds like he wants to cut the red tape. Isn't that what Polly am just saying? This is how you drive affordability. No, that's not how you drive affordability. That's how you get the heat pumps. You claim to be very different from Mr. Trudeau. Now, the point is to be sure that you are any better than Mr. Trudeau. You claim to have a lot of experience in many things and you know things. Last time we had somebody saying that they knew things, it was as senators,

and they killed the law that protected supply management because they knew better than us and were elected by nobody exactly like you are today. Oh, Blanchette, going to bat for the dairy cartel. As far as I know, Brexit happened, even if you were against it. You say you are a great negotiator. What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Cayman Islands? Oh, oh! You can you have to reveal what you own?

Definitely good. If you want people to believe you. Mr. Singh, you wanted him. I hate that guy, but he is awesome sometimes. We need to build homes that people can afford. That's going to be the highlight real for tonight. I didn't know that I was falling in love tonight, but it happened. And during that time, his name is Vesper, but he's married.

Oh my gosh. I'm all yours, too, as you know that. This has been confirmed. And again, you were six homes. That's it. Now, the problem, though, with Mr. Carney as well, he's laid out a plan. The problem is that when he was the chair of Brookfield investments, this is a company that made a strategic decision.

decision to buy up affordable homes in cities like Toronto where people were paying a decent rent and they purposely bought those homes kicked out the tenants and jacked up the rents that is not someone you can trust that's literally what he did this when mr. Carney you're we're gonna get your wife is a landlord Jagg Bidt's yeah she kicked out the people first of all mr. saying the the Toronto star the Toronto star debunked your falsehoods six homes and I appreciate neither liberals or NDP are very good with but in that year, the year, the year of the year, the year I was, let them ask. In the year I was, the year I was minister, we had 200,000 homes built.

And guess what the average price of a home was at the time? 450,000. And one one bedrooms ran out for $900. And that's since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under the liberals. And now we have Mr. Carney making tens of billions of dollars of spending from. that will ultimately continue to build bureaucracy. We don't need more bureaucracy in Ottawa. We tried that for 10 liberal years, Mr. Carney.

What we need is to build homes in communities. And that means taxing taxes on home building. Jay, Jay, you can shut up. So that builders actually build. I think Mr. Carring, on housing, we need a change. And you, sir, are not a change. Mark Carney. I'm going to pick up on, I thought that answer was quite revealing.

The first thing is that, that it's an attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing, deeply affordable housing. There's no such thing as affordable housing. Read economic facts and ballasties. So the six are the relevant. Mr. Singh. He only reads his book. Values are the relevant. 200,000 are a probably listed to his own self-married audio book. There are many Canadians. There are many Canadians of different income levels. The second thing it reveals is a misunderstanding or, well, a misunderstanding. It's so boring.

Of how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment. And that is what we need to do to solve the housing crisis. It happens to be what we need to do as a whole to address the economic crisis that's been forced on us by President Trump. Mr. Blanchet? Yeah. You have spoken much more than I have, so I won't ask a question. I will make a statement instead. I'm not saying no. I'm not saying that you cannot do what you pretend that you are able to do.

We just have no proof so far. I'm saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do it alone. You cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two ends. You cannot go out there and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people. You cannot go out there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own strong. voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy. So if you want to collaborate, let's say right now that whatever happens, even if minority government happens, you will be a partner with the different

Quebec economy and identity, which you have been not interested in for the economic part and not respectful for the identity. Let me get Mr. Shingen at this point. Can you tell us what's the first thing you would do to make life more affordable for Canadians? There's a lot of people to do, and I've laid out some of those things. I think fundamentally, I'm the only person on stage that not only fought for real relief for people in terms of affordability, I'm the only one that fought for pharmacure that actually

makes life more affordable, like giving people medication coverage, dental care that gives people more affordability by letting them access their services if you're a senior and a kid. I fought for childcare to make sure people could afford child care. All measures that Mr. Pollyav voted against, all measures that Mr. Lanchet voted against. So if you want some that's going to fight with you and on a fast car. You can't entrust all the power to Mr. Carney. He doesn't have a track record of making life more affordable for people, but we do. So vote for a new Democrat and we'll continue this work to make life more affordable for you.

Follow the conservatives and the block have voted against those measures to make life affordable. That's not who they care about. New Democrats are in it for you. Pierre Pellier. The number one expense for family. Sean and I used to go to the bars back when we were young. on food, clothing, and shelter combined. This, after 10 years of liberal tax increases,

we can't afford a fourth term of high liberal taxes. That's why conservatives have a plan for change. And that plan includes cutting income taxes by 15% for the average worker and seniors saving a working couple up to $2,000, rewarding hard work again. Because hard work is actually being punished. Is actually being punished, because of the very high taxes.

Now, the liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them. They actually raised taxes on nine out of 10 Canadians. We need a change in this country because your hard work should once again pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable home on a safe street. And that's what we will deliver. You need to just jump in and say, I'm giving people, I'm giving people paychecks. You're just doing pensions. Farmy care coverage was just thousands of dollars.

False. That's not a very good math deal right there. You're going to cut, you're going to save people. Where does the money come from? Cost them tens of thousands of dollars. That's why you cannot afford conservatives, and you certainly can't trust the liberals on their own. You need new Democrats.

Mark Kearney. I'm going to reinforce that point, and then I'll respond to Mr. Blanchet. Child care in this country, $3,000 to $10,000 a year for a family, depending on where you live. Province jurisdiction. Depending on where you live, that's what's being saved there.

$800 per trip to the. the dentist. We have expanded dental care to 8 million Canadian. Eight million Canadians. Farmacare. These are fundamental issues for affordability. We're talking about affordability and taking them off in order.

That's why you need to have tax. That's not what I've said. Why don't you just give me my money so I could decide what I want to do with it? Absolutely throughout the short time. Why do you have to take my money to tell me what I want to do with it? Premier of Quebec. And enact policies that actually affect.

everybody in the country are from Quebec. There's entire swast of this country where the whole dental care thing isn't even relevant. Like Manitoba. He asks five things in the letter. He reduced his expectations. We're talking about. And you did not even answer him.

And tonight, you are so much. Hi, Clyde. Howdy. Welcome. Steve, you question the Canadians have to ask. Hey, Clyde. Why vote? He's got the, Mr. Singh.

Sorry, he has the floor. Yeah. The question you have to ask is after a decade of liberal promises, can you afford food? Elbows up your eyes. Is your housing more affordable than it used to be? What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago? And are you prepared to elect the same liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers, all over again for a fourth term? Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are.

regurgitating into the microphone. How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal government? 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that. That was good. They didn't actually read any replies if that came up.

I'm not sure what to say. The biggest risk we have to affordability, the biggest risk we have to this economy is Donald Trump. So first and fall. Oh, it is it? Get the hell out. That brings

everyone along together. That means preserving pharmacare, dental care, child care, reinforcing health care, spending our whole social safety. Intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, in Quebec jurisdiction over and again. I like it before and he's better than we are. Is there one thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do?

You are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money, pretending you are better, and most of the time you try to copy what we did with our own money again. We can start us. What's that as a policy? Don't you have your own things to care about? That really is time for this segment. I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish their points. I'm far behind so high to the liberty. Thank you. Okay. That ends section two. Up next, public safety and security. It should be juicy. What up, Clyde? What's happening? How's everybody doing? What's going on, guys? Oh, this is hilarious. Oh, you know, just an, yep, just an entertaining night over here. Thursday night. What are you doing?

Yeah, we're talking. We're watching the debates. That's right. Classic NDP, if they're not stealing your money, they're stealing your talking time. My favorite part so, my favorite part so far was the bit where they're claiming that we have an automotive industry. We have automotive companies in this country. It's first I've heard of. It's, they're coming back to it.

People are coming back to our country. I'd like to know what you could contribute to ending that crisis. in this country. The fentanyl crisis is a very serious issue, which is a bit less important in Quebec than it is in British Columbia. I think the whole border thing is the real issue. Immigration is a very important issue for Quebecers. Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.

Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion. The rules are not respected. The rules are unclear. By the way, Premier Legault likes. for too legally. Mike Sparleyer precisely because of this. That's to be done. Quebec wants to decide its own engagement.

That's right. That's right. That's right. It may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human way. The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford

the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec from this specific. type of immigration than we can't afford and we cannot be it them French. That's time, Mr. Blanche. We can, of course, return to the immigration. Same with like every province, though. Well, I mean, there's more people in Manitoba that speak Ukrainian than French. There's a lot of people that don't really care about Alfonc.

Why would it work? Fair. Firm that Bush. I'm seeing with that policy is some success at the commercial level, Monsieur Vespé. Because it hasn't been. opinion it hasn't been organized properly and it needs to be organized properly and I've instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety in order to do that. So part of this is a different focus of government, a focus on results, a focus on clear

milestones in the short term. Let me make a broader point though on gun, which is that we have a problem with guns coming over borders, which is why we tighten their borders. We have an issue though with a gun industry. because of the terror threat. It is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles, mass killing machines. We've banned over 2,000 of these. Including a plane-mounted machine gun. And a bunch of 22s has voted against you can't be tough on crime unless you're tough on guns.

Pollyav, you can come back on this. The biggest mass-killing machine in the 20th century. Okay, no, no, no, I want to hear what he has to say to respond to this. People are statistically over. He doesn't even get a response. Sorry, Clyde, I cut you off for nothing. It's all good. It's all good.

They're going to set them up here. Indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime. I give you the example of a wonderful group of indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan, and many of them were murder. Killer was out of jail after 60 prior convictions. This is the result of 10 years of liberal. laws that allow the same offenders to be released dozens and dozens of times, even when it's known they are a danger. We can't risk a fourth liberal term of soft on crime policies. We need

to change. It's crazy when you hear, right? Fourth term. We'll bring in a three strikes convictions for serious crimes. You go to jail for at least 10 years, maybe for life, no chance of parole or bail. We will bring in life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl, human beings, and guns, and we will secure our borders to keep the legal guns. Thank you, Mr. Palliev. That's time. Mr. Singh, your question is about the RCMP, because you've got RCMP reform in your platform.

What, in your view, is the problem with the RCMP? Well, some of the basis for this is the concern that's been raised in more rural... They run cover for the liberals. There have been some concerns about violence or inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution of their duties. execution of their duties. We want to make sure that we've got a top-tier police force that provides security and safety to look at those communities in a way that's sensitive and understanding of the communities they're serving. I also think what's very important is for

indigenous communities, indigenous policing. This is an area of deep concern. I think everyone in our country should be safe. You should be able to be safe at home, safe when you go to work, safe if you take public transit, safe for your kids to be able to play in the local playground. And that's something I'm committed to. And the other area, that I'm focused on when it comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime. So he doesn't know why he wants to reform the or safety at all.

Increase investments or border security. We saw under the Conservatives, they cut 1,100 border officers in one day. So that prevented our ability to keep our border safe. That stops those materials from coming into the time. Not sure it was about the RCMP, but maybe we can get back to that during the open debate segment. Well, play moderator.

Go to right now. And Mr. Pollyev, you get the first word on this one. And it sort of dovetails on the last answer you gave, which is, you have pledged to be the first prime minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause, setting aside charter rights of, as you call them, multiple murderers. Why do you think that's necessary? Why do they need to have charter rights? I want to approve the charter rights of Canadians under Section 7 to life, liberty, and security of the person.

Right now, that right is violated by multiple murderers who are given discounts. The case in question was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot dead six innocent worshippers. He got, according to this ruling, only one 25-year sentence, meaning he can be out in his 50s. He only serves four years for every murderer that he carried out. That is outrageous. And I will use the constitutional powers that are created for this purpose to ensure that mass murderers Stay in maximum security penitentiary for life. They will only come out in a box.

If you guys look, Marc Carney just tweeted 15 seconds ago, proof that he doesn't tweet any of his stuff. I'm not kidding if you look at it. He just tweeted 15 seconds ago. I have to retweet that. And you've learned an employable skill and you've served a 10-year sentence.

We cannot allow liberal crime and chaos to go on terrorizing our communities. What we need is a re-tweet, real plan for change so that we can bring back the safety and the security that Canadians used to take for granted. Let me get Mr. Carney to respond to you that. Do you think that's an appropriate use of the notwithstanding clause of the Charter? I think that one of the core responsibilities of the federal government, Prime Minister,

is to defend the fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians. And those fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians are outlined in our Charter of Rights, freedoms, which is 43 years old literally today. I think it's a very dangerous slope to override. He said he wanted to use emergency powers. In fact, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms exists to protect Canadians from people like us on the stage. After 10 years of not punishing criminals, the criminal vote is a substantial voter block. They're all trying to cater to it.

And the issue in using by the federal government, I'll stop here, is not where you start, but where will you stop? Mr. Polly, I should get Mr. Polly have on that. Is it a slippery slope if you use it in this case? Well, that's a logical fallacy we've been told. Because Mr. Carney said that he didn't want us to use a notwithstanding cause clause before adopting a law. And yesterday he said that he felt that it was wrong to use. the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted. So if we cannot use it before and we cannot use it after, it means that Mr. Kami believes that we should never use it.

But it is very important. And the Ford case made it clear. The Constitution says how it should be used, but never how or what we will do with it because it's the prerogative of the provinces. So do you want the Supreme Court to overrule another judgment of the same Supreme Court because you don't like it? Because that would be being the hell of a politician, as you define them. Well, let me just start by saying, first of all, yeah, thank you. I just started by saying, let's not let Mr. Paul Yev get away with making this ludicrous claim that anyone on this stage thinks that violent crime should get a less severe penalty. Obviously, that is not a special position that he's taking.

Everyone in place. No, no, they don't. Bernardo? Sentences. Judges are equipped to do that. So don't let Mr. Polyev's rhetoric confuse people. Obviously, everyone is there should be appropriate sentence that's put in place by a judge.

But what I'm concerned about is all of what Mr. Palli is talking about is after the fact. Now there's heinous things that happen and there needs to be severe penalties put in place. But we also need to keep communities safe. And that's what my focus is, well, how do we stop crime before it happens? Much of the violent crime that's committed is committed by illegal handguns and firearms. I thought he was going to say illegal aliens. It's committed by people, not illegal objects, not tools.

Okay, but those are already illegal. The tool we're talking about is this guy. In the first place, and the way we do that is by having stronger border security officers and having more people on the border. Like men? Is that what he meant by stronger, border security? They cut the number of border officers. They reduce the number,

weakening our borders. Keeping an eye on time here. Let's get back to Mr. Pauliev on the issue of whether in using the notwithstanding clause under these circumstances would be a kind of a slippery slope and encourage politicians to use it more. No, we will use it to protect the charter rights of law-abiding Canadians. I'm interested in the rights of victims. Mr. Carney seems to be very interested in the rights of criminals.

He says that it's dangerous. for me to ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life. You know what's dangerous? Turning them loose on our streets. I don't think you appreciate, sir, the chaos that is unfolding in communities. In Toronto right now, the police have been forced to tell people to just let the thief steal the car. When they break into the house, just take the keys.

Just let them take the keys so that you don't get hurt. People are living in terror in many of our communities, precisely because of the catch and release bail law C-75, which requires judges, release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous conditions. Every single member of your Liberal Caucus and your Liberal Cabinet voted in favor of this bill, and they are all determined to keep it in place,

despite constant promises to the contrary. Mr. Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security. is the right that I'm fighting for for a change. I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be specifically... I'm really shocked is not talking more about Justin Trudeau. First is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion, and I'll use the greater, the GTA.

You have nine years of precedent and stupidity. Why are you not bringing it up? You attack it several ways. One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening, particularly if you're part of a particularly if you use the firearm. And you will do that? And we've doing so. We've committed to doing so.

You put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk, which we've also committed to. And then you go to what Mr. Singh was talking about, which is we have to reinforce our frontiers. That's why we're committing to an extra thousand Canada Border Service agents, an extra thousand He's been taking too many French lessons.

He says frontier instead of border initiative, where we added to you. Yeah. He is very old. We're adding surveillance and we're going to the other end of the chain with respect to Carthap, which is tightening security at the ports.

This is what we need. In order to get results, you need to focus where at both ends of the chains in federal. Dougmate Singh. Thank you very much. I want to talk about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of

the public safety concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities. We're seeing so much. so many lives being lost. In that, we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the solutions like mental health services and rehabilitation services. Services keep our community safe,

having access to those good services. Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Pollyav are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services. That's not going to make our community safer. We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services, more investments in mental health. We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.

I met with Mom Stop the Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis. They've literally had their children have died because of this. Yeah, we're saying, we need to do everything possible

to save lives to stop this death from happening. And I think we need to listen to those moms, and that's my commitment. Mitch Blanchet. Two things as rapidly as possible. First, we believe that we should act on crime, gangs, and organizations defining them as we,

as we do for terrorist organization. We have to protect our kids from the violence of those gang, from the drugs being sold by those gang. Have you been to Quebec? And whatever. It's like your guys' main industry is basically like protein equalization and cocaine. By those gangs. Sold?

Not sold being, you know, you purchase a thing and selling. Sold. by those gangs. Oh boy. Not your soul. Not your soul. Soul. Oh, okay.

14 and 16 years old because this is the real fear of parents like I am. This is a very dangerous situation. I want to come back to immigration because we said that we would come back to immigration. Do you remember the Sentry Initiative? Oh. There we go. Oh, but. They have not considered Quebec difference.

They have not considered. Quebec language. They wanted Canada to be 100 million people country by the end of the century. Mr. Barton told myself, told me himself, that he had not even thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis. And one of his closest collaborators is now a close considered to Mr. Carney, which seems to be part of so of that kind of project or ideology. So it is impossible for Canada to have all those people coming to Canada. It is impossible for Quebec to receive all those people. And in Quebec, we have the language and values and secularity of the state issue,

which is very important. So I say, where are your values? Pose, pose. Let's do think properly. Quiet, Clyde, we got values. Migrants in an orderly fashion and successful. We bought 12 editions of them. Respect for them.

Oh, yes. I speak to families all the time who are terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns. And we know those guns are not. Grandpa Joe is hunting rifle. So when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles, they're really going after the wrong people. 90% of guns that come in that are used in crime are smuggled illegally over the poorest liberal-run borders. And that's why the police, that's why the police, that's why the police, the police,

I could. The police actually endorsed me. The police in Barry, in Peel, in Sue St. Marie have all endorsed me because they know that I will go after the gun smugglers and criminals with 2,000 extra frontline border guards

that will stop the gun... Unlike the liberals and NDP, I will not ban hunting rifles. The liberals want to protect... I want to protect Canadians from criminals. The liberals want to protect treaties from hunters. I think we know which one makes. Sorry, quick intervention.

Mr. Kearney, then I got a question for each of you before this. Wait, why are they allowed to interject like that? Absolutely. Unless they're addressed, then it shouldn't be a thing. All you have doing a good job of ignoring Jagney's saying, which is the right thing to do. There are people, we're in Montreal, in Montreal, in Toronto, in this country, who fear going to their synagogue.

No, we don't. Community Center. What was last time you went to his synagogue, leaving their children's school? And a month ago, this has to stop. This is on, it's totally unacceptable. So why, there's no fear. What is he talking about?

Is to make it a criminal offense. I'm afraid to go to Ottawa. To impede anyone from being near or going to their place of worship. It pains me that when we have to do it. Because this is not what we should be doing. It's paining me watching this. We'll put that in place. It's painful with the Sesame Street, like language.

Right? You need. Two, go there. Security threats. Mua, ah, ah, ah. 10 seconds each, we're poly-acted. The count. Physical security threat is the rampant

I want to do our deficit. Running out of control. After the we've got a hundred and 16 increasing gun crime. We need to lock up criminals. I got to hold you the 10 seconds. Mr. Carney?

Well, we're in a security section. I think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything. I thought a lot of arms. Canada is China. China, you say. God, he has no emotion. He's so lifeless. And drugs coming across the border and cuts the services.

This guy belongs on a Q-tip box. It's pretty even worse. Last word to Mr. Blanchet. The largest fentanyl producer in the planet. There's not an export issue. I'm still dependent and entirely dependent on American to protect us. Okay. That is the end of that.

A second gentleman. Up next, energy and climate. Oh, God. That'll be the most cringe section, I'm sure. Hey, I was at this one. We have a solid like 27 seconds. So just when you start to get your thought in, we're going to cut back to the video. Right, too?

So that's roughly what's got both out of. Basically what's happening. Sound bite from each one of the leaders. And dude, that guy. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's in the background.

To Clyde's point on Jagme, he gets to be an attack dog for the liberals the entire time. Just yipping in the background. Why don't they just cut his mic? Pretty simple. They did yesterday. They cut it off. There's etiquette here. Like, it's supposed to be if you address one of the other candidates, then they get to make a response, but then otherwise.

Bring it up to us. On the table. I favor when it comes to the environment building an east-west energy grid that connects low-cost energy and allows for families to reduce their electricity costs. Natural gas and oil are low-cost energies. what our energy solutions are in the context of a climate. Also, you can't send electricity from BC to Quebec. That makes no sense. There's a huge voltage drop.

I remember I made a lot. Years ago, before I had kids, who told me she was worried about taking her kids out. I love this fictitious person that he knew a girl years ago. Yeah. He always has a story. The people were prepping himself. And I literally worry about the same thing.

I knew a girl 15 years ago who told me. You see this before, saw dating. days where there was such how I used to like hit on people. dangers for kits. We see extreme weather, forest fires, heat domes, floods. There are two studies talking about correlating extreme weather. Where is fighting climate change? With climate change.

He's going to make up another story now about somebody that couldn't breathe. Wait, watch it. It lands within our priorities of bringing home jobs while bringing down emissions around the world. Look, the reality is, that if we push production out of our country to more polluting countries, it actually makes the problem worse. But that has been exactly the liberal approach with the anti-development law, C-69, blocking of 15 LNG export plants over the last 10 years.

We have seen more of those jobs go abroad. I want to bring them home. My plan will be to approve, for example, natural gas, liquefaction, and export. If we sent our gas to India, for example, to displace half of their demand for electricity, we could reduce emissions by 2.5 billion tons, which is three times the total emissions of Canada. That's the way we bring emissions down and jobs up. It's common sense. And now it's time to bring it home.

Thank you, Mr. Palliev. The next question is for Mr. Carney. How would your government fast-track pipelines and mining projects while also following the Supreme Court decision that requires consent of indigenous communities? Well, I think the first thing, and this goes back a bit to where we started, which is recognizing that we are in a crisis. We need to act with maximum force. Who caused that crisis? Having a project. No, it means a climate crisis.

The consultation. We only have 12 years left. Who caused it? Who caused it? Who caused it? We only have 12 years. those projects, those investments of national. Six-nath mass extinction.

They're really going to move the dial in terms of growth, jobs, energy security, well-being consistent with long-term competitiveness, which necessarily means lower carbon. I'm shocked Pierre hasn't brought up Brookfield. It's ensuring that First Nations are there from the start. It also includes their ability to participate fully in those projects. And that's why, and I'll, I know you, I can tell it. members of the Bahamas don't count, Arnie,

which is that's why we're doubling our proposal to double. It's Bahamian's own guarantee to $10 billion. What does that actually mean? I can tell I'm going too long, so let me say for 30 seconds

about me going too long and then save myself. That's what he constantly does. So that's how it goes. Mr. Blanchet. I only have 10 seconds, so the 10 seconds is over. We'll certainly say they support it.

We will know about that when we have the debate about, that which has not begun yet, we are just bigotting it. First, we are here. He has such a beautiful voice. And we are being fed. It's such a soapy voice. He's a French dust ex-man.

Energy trade commerce is from south to north or north. You got to admit, he was really good in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. A little more than three years, Donald Trump won't be enough. There will be not one more. pipeline having been built once we get there. So let's be serious, responsible, and we will be back with the numbers. We don't want to pay in Quebec for such Montreosities, which will provide us. Montreocities?

We now move to open debate. His English is better than Carnie's French, okay? That's a fact. It's a turn to get the first shot. I can't even rip him too hard on his on his English because my whole family speaks like that. I'm a fan of having a prime minister who doesn't really speak French. You mean he didn't really speak English? In North America.

In Sagini-Lex-Gent. It is very important. Does anyone in Quebec actually speak French? It's the best way to use Paul Seckney as an infrastructure. This is just how they need. We have Lichum. Everybody needs. The guy who installed my internet here is from Africa.

He was telling me he couldn't understand the people. We want to be working on it. I've lived here 35 years. I still can't understand them. They just speak English with a really bad accent. We are in favor of that. But we don't want to pay for the 30 billions of dollars, which have been spent on oil and gas by the liberals last year.

It's seven billions of dollars from Quebec. We don't want to pay for the 40 billions of dollars. dollars which have been spent by the liberals on Trans Mountain. It's nine billions of dollars from... Nobody wants that. 16 billions of dollars of which not one dollar has been spent in Quebec to develop a lot more power and wealth for Quebecers. Dude, we are his, we are Carnie's kryptonite Quebec. Dude, you guys have to understand this.

Well, actually, I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity that exists in Quebec, exists in Ontario, exists in the north of Canada, really exists across this great nation in terms of critical metals and minerals. We have one of the biggest resources in this country. And this is, it's not just a- And we won't let you dig it out. It is a strategic opportunity for Canada.

So we have to make a decision, not just to- Why haven't you then? How do we develop it and who are our partners for it? Do we become more dependent on the United- Because Pinocchio was running the show, by the way, President Trump this week said, You might put a tax on critical metals and minerals. Just showing again, if I may, if I may, and so the discussions.

If I may, if I may, if I may, if I may finish, let me finish. So the opportunity includes in Europe and includes in Asia as our partners. Last point. In order to get it done, in order to get it done, we'll put in place a first and last mile fund. So these projects are connected to road and rail so then go quickly to market. And we will have all of the other fast tracking measures. I talked about earlier in terms of... Who cares about these details?

So that we can move quickly, we can be stronger. Investors. Yeah, I think... You should absolutely take advantage of the fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our country. And the way we do that is with any energy project or any project of this nature, make sure it's got the local community buy-in. It creates good jobs in communities. Make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs.

And we work with indigenous partnership. And so I absolutely read with that. I want to build on something, Mr. Blan. mentioned about the investments that this country has made. What I found very troubling is that the past number of years, the liberal government record, is one where we have spent the most subsidies compared to any other country in the G7 on subsidizing oil and gas. These are highly profitable companies. I think that's the wrong thing to do. You voted for it? Yes.

So my question really to Mr. Carney is You should be using that to invest in people, not giving it to highly profitable oil and gas companies. I promise Mr. Pauliyev, we'll come back and get that question to answer. Mr. Pauliyev. Well, Mr. Carney, you point out that Donald Trump has a wrongheaded idea of... He's gone for a knockout punch. He's got the look on his face and our industry. And that is wrong.

But so do you. You want to apply industrial carbon tax. on Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminum plants. You want to let us just- Canadian oil and gas. And your idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying by hitting them a second time. This will do nothing. He says aluminum.

We'll actually ship our jobs south of the border just like president. Shut up, Jugmeet. My plan is a production home here to Canada. For example, I will give a tax credit to low-emitting Canadian- industry like Quebec's aluminum, for example, or British Columbia's natural gas so that we not only bring home the production, but we do it below global average levels of emissions. So that we actually help the environment while bringing home the jobs for our people at the same time. That is a sensible, pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our economic destiny so we can stand

up to the Americans from a position of strength for a change. Mr. Kearney, we've got, hang on to say, I want to give you a chance to speak to Mr. Singh's criticism about oil and gas subsidies and Mr. Poliab's criticism about the industrial carbon tax. Okay. I'm going to make, the oil and gas subsidies are capital cost allowances, which are standard across regardless of industry. We answered, I answered this question last night, but I think he doesn't understand the tax code. Not everyone heard it. Yes. And oil and gas subsidies. That's why you need you, definitely. Secondly, secondly, secondly, I believe on independent. Second, recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building, Keystone, Keystone, which is the pipeline, which has helped to increase oil and gas export, or oil exports, rather by 50% in this country.

When 500% over budget? That is an asset of the people of Canada. We own it. And the question of what to do it. So it's not a subsidy that has disappeared is actually an asset of Canada. I think a third point, though, in terms of where the oil and gas industry, particularly the oil industry, needs wants to and needs to go, which is to become low carbon,

low carbon in production and transportation of oil. One of the big projects we need to move forward with is carbon capture and storage, the Pathways Project. So that we have oil and gas. The grocery industry. Not just today, 10 years from now, and 20 years from now, as the world uses less, we want to have more market share.

We need to do that. My government will move that. By definition, the subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline. I'm talking about subsidies. They go to oil and gas. Carney just tweeted again. Capital cost allow. The figure you quoted last night included the cost of the pipeline.

Do you want to address this point? We've got to stop spending. Sorry, can we get you to address his point? How much will the industrial carbon tax add to the price of a car? So the first thing I want to say is we have, I'm going to address the broader point. Well, broader point is the entire absence of a climate plan. A.k.a. non-answer. Which, by the way, is going to put our industry.

and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking for new trading partners. Guess what? Most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia. Those countries care about whether not you've made products. Right. We're designing a program so that the big polluters pay Canadians at home for making responsible climate choices for retrofitting their home. Nope, no, no. Or improving otherwise. And that is smart climate policy. It's better for.

for the big polluters and it's better for Canadians. Chair Pellianne. Did he just say it would be better be better for the big food? I asked how much would the industrial carbon tax on Canadian steel add to the price of a car? He won't answer because he knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars. And liberals know about steel. Did you know the answer? Did you know the answer?

He's thrown out. Thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars. Just making it up. Cut up. Chuck. Cut the guy's Mike. Like seriously.

When you add, it's weird. I always interrupts all the end. You raise the price of everything that uses steel. When you add everything, he's so desperate. When you add, when you add the carbon tax on... Look at how nervous he is.

Even Carney's telling him like, oh, it's held down. So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election, he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately, be passed on to you. After a lost liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term. We need a new government that will fully ax the carbon tax, increase the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring down your cost of living. We've got just little over three minutes left in this segment. So Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from

Canadians? You're out there. What are you hearing? Absolutely. Cricket is what he's hearing. We're seeing. Nobody gives a fuck. of us happening right now. Speak to seniors who say, you know, my kids don't need to eat. We just need to make sure that. We're seeing heat crises. The climate.

The climate. Come on. I'm not worried about extreme weather. We're seeing flooding. We're seeing forest fires like never before. We're living in a climate. You mean arsonists? Climate change is so bad that no one's even showing us in our rallies.

What it should say is we're living it. They're seeing it. I want those Canadians to know. Oh, dear. And those false subsidies, unless I'm there. to fight back. Mr. Pallier. You will not be there in a month, bro.

Boisina. He wants to let them dump into our oceans. I'm going to fight back and defend our environment. Victoria, Montreal. Like, you're literally in a city that dumps millions of pounds of shit into the St. Lord's Seaway every year.

And you've never said a thing about. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Situation about climate change, which still exists and is going to attack Carney. And I'm sorry to crash your partner. guys, but you are telling fairy tales. Oil and gas is a fairy tale. Large-pals carbon

sequestration, sorry, I'm French, is a fairy tale. It does not exist. If Alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas and it were not a matter of pollution, I wouldn't mind of all. That's their business.

Our own powerhouse in terms of energy in Quebec is clean energy. We are the best place in the world to achieve that. Our market is the northeastern part, Democrat part of United States. We want to keep our money to create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers. Let us be different because we can afford to be different. Let me give, I want to get to you because I said I would. Carney is so pissed on here and I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the things the people on this side of the stage have said. Thank you. Well, first of all, we do support protecting the environment banning.

We want to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our waters. We want to hold large corporations to high environmental standards to protect our water and air. But we cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas as Mr. Carney is proposing to do. That has been the approach of the last 10 years of the liberal government. What the biggest companies that develop our resources say is that we need to repeal the liberal anti-development law C-69. A law, Mr. Carney wants to keep in place. They say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax and get rid of the liberal energy cap. We need six months' approval in order to get our, to take back energy security and energy sovereignty.

Sorry, Mr. Carney, hang on a second. Last word to Mr. Carney on the second, please. Thank you very much. I was born in Forst Smith in Northwest Territories just north of what the oil sands became. When I was born and when I was growing up in Emmington, early days, it was a fairy tale, quote unquote. But you know what happened? Canadian ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments, both the federal government and the Alberta government got together. Not one Canadian banker.

If I may. The worst. May I finish? Ten more seconds to finish, please. Let him finish this point. That's the opportunity we have. That's the opportunity we have in carbon capture. That's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors.

That's the opportunity we have in hundreds and beyond. This country can be a clean energy superpower. My government will help deliver. And that is time for the second. Gentlemen, let us go to our final theme, which is called leading in a crisis. All right. Leading and a crisis. What happened there?

Just they're going to a quick break. So I thought I'd throw everybody on and somebody like Eli, or jazz. Do you want to know something fun about Mark Carney and all of his ideas when it comes to a climate crisis? No. But, you know,

it's so fascinating to hear him talk about all these different things about energy and how it's going to be so good for the environment. You're absolutely omitting the fact that Canada produces less than I think it's 1.5% of total global emissions. We could be wiped off the map. And it wouldn't. Yeah. Well,

there we go. And it wouldn't even matter. But also the one part that nobody likes to discuss is, the fact that about 96% of all of the machinery and whatnot for climate change is made in China. Include a fiscal plan and I will get to that in a second.

The third thing is you need to respond in a crisis with over... The budgets will balance themselves. I want Jagmeet Singh to just openly say, I do not care about balancing the budget. I will never do it as a nation and we can deliver. I just want them to say that.

That is what he should say. It has to be catalytic. I mean, this is that we will slow the rate of spending. It's been growing at 9% a year, operational spending, program spending. Sean Newman for Prime Minister. 9% a year. We'll slow that to 2%. We will focus on a small amount of capital spending by the federal government

in order to drive enormous private investment up to half a trillion dollars by five years. Thank you, Mr. Kearney. Ukraine. The Secretary of State crisis. leading in a time of crisis? Mr. Pahliav, question for you. If the United States withholds support from Ukraine going forward, do you believe Canada should commit more to assist?

I believe we should continue to support Ukraine. Checkmate. No, no, it's the right move. It's the right move. No way it is. He wants to win liberals, dude. Let him finish. Supported funds and other armaments to back the Ukrainians.

I don't want the guy who's just to be slightly worse. We also need to rebuild. No, he's not going to be. He's helping the delusional here. We've got to ease them into it. To our waters. We'll be buying four massive Arctic icebreakers. I'll be opening the first Arctic base since the Cold War in Canada, CFB at Calaway.

We're going to double the size of the Arctic Rangers. Is it Arctic or Arctic? We need a change to rebuild our... Nuclear. Nuclear. Nuclear. Nuclear. Nuclear.

This management of the last 10 years. But we can have a change. because we have the best soldiers, sailors, and airmen in the world. We haven't had that for 20 years. If you give me the honor. He's talking about we're going to have. Back to that one in the open forum, because I'm not sure we got an answer about a lot of sailors.

Going on. The answer was yes. We'll get more details, perhaps, as we go forward. Whoa. What is that? He said yes. Independence, we put on pause. How tall is Mark Carney?

which will happen only after the middle. He looks small. And that's a good thing. He looks shorter than me and I'm short. He's no size. We must help Ukraine. But we also must help the civilians of Gaza. And we must destroy Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

Oh, Mark Carney won't like that. Boom. To be the leader of Canada. He's going to be asked that. But I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner, a collaborative partner. Why is he in the debate if he doesn't want to be a prime minister? And it's differences. Because he represents Quebec.

Aluminum industry and lumberwood industry. We are our own country. And frankly, go enjoy your own country. Run on any platform they want. Which is the price to be paid in order to have real equality. Then if we are respected, we will be a partner. And then even Canada will be stronger in its negotiation against Donald Trump. This is what I am offering.

Respect us. Yeah, put pipelines through your province or you're not helping. I'm very eager to talk about health care. I want them to talk about health care right now. You have paid, you got to talk about health care now. If a province says to you, we'll take your money for health care, but not your conditions on how to spend it. What do you do? Give them all made.

Brian. Giving away money without clear conditions. We're in a health care crisis right now. A crisis that is hurting. Too many crises. across this country. Everything's a crisis. It's desperately in line in emergency rooms for hours and hours.

To be fair, Jess and Trudeau did run the country for nine years. To be fair, this dickweed was the guy that held them in. We're often to deal with mobility issues. It's legitimate that we have a lot of crisis. They're overstretched. And what we're seeing is more and more privatization, and that is hurting our public universal health care system. So we've got to fight back against it. We cannot allow our public.

Got to end private property. Go to a for-profit private clinic lining the pockets of a rich CEO or investors instead of going towards care. We need to make sure that we are investing in solutions. Have you guys noticed he didn't call them the coalition, liberal MVP government? And so that's my commitment. I'm going to fight to make sure we defend our health care against the threats of Americanization and privatization. Okay. We now go to open forum debate. So people stop going to America to get their health care.

It might be a good time to put a little more flesh on. on the bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine, the U.S. backs out. Yes, and my answer is that we should continue to support Ukraine. We don't need to follow the Americans and everything that are we back here. And we will stand on our own and with other allies. And with respect to Ukraine, that, of course, includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments, but it also includes defunding Putin.

Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market. $100 million. Frankly, the liberals. was blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast. They blocked multiple projects. I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin,

defund the war, and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people. Mr. Carter, you want to do that. Well, I want to go to the situation. Ukraine because it's very important. We've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally. And Canadians have stepped up. He accidentally said we first, second, before he corrected himself. In other ways, my first month, Prime Minister, we joined the coalition of the willing to support the U.S. step back. So led by France, the United Kingdom, with Ukraine number, European nations, Australia,

ourselves, New Zealand. That's an example of how the new world is going to be. Canada, participating in these. Oh, you in your new world. It means open trade. Mr. Poliyev voted against free trade agreement with U. Ukraine. It means aid for Ukraine. Mr. Poliyev wants to cut foreign aid, including for Ukraine or not. He didn't mention support for Ukraine. We have to stand by them or not.

Be there. What kind of a thing is that? You Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine and we'll continue to do that. You need money for that, Jag. They stand with Hamas as well. Why don't you say you're Maserati over there? One of the crises were up against it. Donald Trump, with the brother of trade war,

and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the health care system. He was literally defending the American health system on Twitter nine days ago. Slowing operation spending, that's a cut to services. He said his plan. He's a plan to balance the operating budget within three years. That's going to require massive cuts to spending. We calculated that at $43 billion in cuts. In fact, Rosemary Barton, when he was on the show in February 16th, he said he

when he was on the show. He would be in operations. He defined it as transfers in health. And finally, longtime liberal and former House leader, Karina Gould said that Mr. Carney's plans would mean massive cuts. That's the only way to achieve it. So Mr. Carney, you think it is leadership to cut health care at a time when it is in crisis. I think it's wrong.

I wish he would. We will not cut transfers. The time movements are so obnoxious. Full stop. We'll have a detail, if I may. Who do we believe Mr. Carney today or the one he spoke on Rosemary Barton's show on February 16th? The one that repeated again that he cut spending?

Who do we believe? If I may. Consistently said, we'll preserve all transfers to the provinces, including the increases. We will preserve all the transfers to individuals, I won't detail them all, but there. So we're looking at addressing an operational spend, which is about $150 billion.

We will address that. We will make it more efficient and we will do it in three years and we'll balance that budget. Mr. Blanchet. I am six minutes behind Mr. Carney, so I will speak a little bit longer. First, I will support any initiative which will bring Canada, aligned with Europe and NATO in order to be stronger and facing new threats. I believe that two persons won't be enough. I'm not more in favor of war than anybody else, but we have responsibility. and our main ally is removing himself from this stage. So we have to step up. We have to do our part. I want to go somewhere else entirely, however.

I want to ask Mr. Carney, if we're speaking about leadership here, if Quebec and Canada were to say, you are not being given a majority government. Yes. Yes. Yes. maybe more the new democrats than you would like and more people from the blog

who would like will you accept because you don't seem to very be very eager about that to deal with people which basically are more experienced than you are as legitimate as you are and would be more representative all together than you would be being alone in your little kingdom and i want to We propose to you all guys that one week after the election, one week after the election, we all meet whatever the results. And we start dealing with this crisis together because this is what people, either they are from Alberta or Quebec or wherever,

this is what people expect from us. Mr. Carr, is that something you could get behind? I look forward to meeting with everyone. That's diplomatic. I appreciate that. I, uh, a week of but also, but it's not very respectful. No, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm coming. Um, a little, I'll, I come to the,

I'll come to the, we're just talking. We're just talking. Jaisei means we're talking. Yeah, you're talking on the wrong night, man. It's English night tonight. Yeah, but he has to pander. It's been the ring. He's bundering. Is bandering?

You mean he's bringing them bread? meet with all the indigenous leaders and move forward in that context. Now the question is who's going to lead out of this? Whoever leads out of this, if I may, Mr. Blanche. Whoever, whoever's going to lead out of this, he is going to need to work with all the provinces, work with labor, work with indigenous leaders, work with all Canadians to bring them forward in a united front.

At least he didn't say it in Chinese. Yes, she said. She's a credit to those people at home. Technically, that's Mandarin. And it's our responsibility to meet the Canadian unity. Still, I have one small point to make. You will be elected if you are elected in the parliament where they are other leaders. I don't know if he called you or Mr. Pueva.

I don't know if you called you, but before yesterday, you have not spoken to me once. Oh! I was that so many times. but you say I speak to provinces leaders. You're not elected in provinces. You are in the parliament where people are to make decisions, which might not always suit you, but this is democracy, which you don't know too much about.

I'm going to jump in here because I'm noticing what the clock is saying, and you brought up Gaza earlier, and I think our audience would be interested in hearing your views on the other major international crisis facing the world. You mean Yemen? I'll talk about Yemen. I'm going to speak to health care workers. right now who are deeply worried about the guys back to healthcare.

Wow. This is a Hail Mary party. Believe and love our universal public health care system. They really are. They really are worried about which Mr. Carney to believe the one today or the one who spoke on freebie. He just really wants to get his talking points. He has no talking points. Talking about healthcare workers, the NDP is the worst that keeping healthcare workers out of their jobs during the pandemic.

We have listed five minutes for it here. What role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world? in the Middle East and the war in Gaza. Pierre Poliav, would you start us off on that? What role can Canada play? Well, first of all, we must condemn Hamas, and more importantly, the terrorist sponsors in Tehran, who initiated the attacks of October 7th.

100%. We need to defeat the terrorists so that all the world can live in peace and defend the right of, yes, Palestinians to have their, own lives free from the oppression of Hamas, dictators, and Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability of freedom and peace. But I also want to say, we need to get back to the Canadian tradition, which is that when people come to this country, they leave foreign conflicts behind. The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities is utterly unacceptable, and it points to the growing chaos that we see on our streets after 10 years, incredibly irresponsible

liberal policies of weak borders, of dividing people into groups, of saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, dividing and conquering. We must end that division and unite our people so that everyone feels safe and that when we come here, we put our foreign conflicts behind and we put Canada first. Mr. Singh, please, go ahead. MR. People come from countries from around the world and they care deeply about where they come from and they should be able to do so. That's a part of being in our country to have that freedom.

Your treatment of Palestinians has been frankly disgusting. Your treatment... Agmeet Singh's going pro-freedom convoy here. In Gaza, it's been disgusting. On top of that, people in Israel and in Palestine deserve to live in peace and security. And Mr. Carney to date, you've not acknowledged that what's going on in Gaza

is now clearly become a genocide. It's important to call things out. He's low-key standing up for Calistani's right now. If it's been a genocide, there's nobody left to defend. With our international partners, maximum pressure, maximum encouragement, for an immediate ceasefire. Those first things.

I encourage the return of maximum effort. Maximum overdrive. My government put in place $100 million of humanitarian raid, which is... When did they get Deadpool to run the party? With respect to where this ultimately goes. Yes, two-state solution, but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security with the state of Israel. That will never happen, though.

What the hell do we think we are that we're going to dictate domestic... policy in the Middle East. I was thinking the same thing, dude. It's been 50 years of Iran and do everything. Why do we just get out? To check it and turn it. Mr. Blanchet. If we are to work together, we will have to be consistent.

The Jewish community in Quebec and Canada is harassed by a very little minority of radical Islamists. And we don't know so. First guy to say Islamist. law on stage. Canada says that somebody may invite people to be violent to propose genocide against and other people if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation. They are in agreement with that. They are in agreement with that. They are in agreement with that. And we say it is a crime to invite people to violence and killing other people and this is what is being done very often in Canada and Quebec with the approval of the Criminal Code of Canada.

And we are saying this has to be changed. We have to change what we do before we want people elsewhere to change what they do. Last minute in the second. Make your own bed. He's reading this is about crises and leadership. And one crisis we have is in immigration. Clean your room, Bucco. Because of this liberal government's commitment to a radical policy called the Century Initiative,

which seeks to bring our population up to 100 million people. They have allowed massive overcrowding in our communities that has caused housing shortages, job shortages, and health care shortages. And if I could, the fact that you did not interrupt you. I did not interrupt. Shut this guy up.

Don't blame. I do not blame immigrants. I blame the liberal government, which brought this policy on. And Mr. Carney wants to continue with the Century Initiative. Did they turn off his mic? get back to normal levels of immigration. Kind of sort of. Maybe they did.

Or sound like an immigration system and ensure that the people who come here can be arrived in numbers that we can house, employ, and care for. That's how it always was. And that's how we're going to restore it. Thank you, Mr. Poliav. That is our time for this segment. Those are our five themes, but we are not done yet. We are entering the next section of our debate tonight.

The danger zone. The leader's choice, something a little bit different. all right so by the way throughout this whole debate in the last 10 minutes there's been seven tweets that i've counted from mark car and it's fascinating like sorry go ahead jasmine i was just going to ask has anybody else posted to i think jugg meets sing did has polly v's team posted anything on his i haven't it's i have uh i have my bells and whistles on uh carney and that's all that's coming up but i haven't checked i bet you are they going to too's are they going again Dan? Oh, yeah.

No, he hasn't. Pierre hasn't. It's been hours since last post. I expect that of Mr. Pierre-Paul-Yev and the conservatives. That's very much a conservative plan. But my concern is that doesn't sound like what people want for a liberal leader. So my question to you is, Mr. Carney, whose side are you really on? Thank you. Thank you very much.

It looks like they're about to kiss. The smile they're exchanging there. But you know, I had, I look, well, I'm track record of public service for this country. No, you don't. Something Mr. Blanchet referenced in earlier, which is have I resolved any crisis. We're in Quebec. If you ask anyone in the finance industry, if you ask anyone in government in Quebec in 2008, they'll know that I resolved the biggest prices.

No, you did not. Oh, hey. But I'm in fairness with Mr. This is for these two. Yes, I have had a long career in the private sector. I'm proud of that career. I've always acted with integrity. Central banks are not the private sector.

Let's just be serious. No one's questioning your entire moment of Christ. And you certainly have served the country. But the problem is, who have you served? You've served to benefit those at the very top. You jacked up the price of homes for people living in affordable homes. as a strategic decision, you dodge taxes, and then your decisions as prime minister show you're not prioritizing people,

but you're prizing big business, the billionaires. So the, what are we done as a government directly? So we've gone to. It's like Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders' mom was a professional swimmer and spent most of the water holding her breath. The amount to use them to cut taxes. we are focused on the

is not high enough though you have to accept that right now there will be additional programs I am fully confident that the next government whatever government is formed certainly if I'm in the next government we will make additional programs but you didn't do that so far though

you couldn't or you couldn't given there were an election possibly may I make a a core point here if I make which is why don't they just shut his mic off and take the camera off of people watch I think they did for a while there It kind of seemed like they did.

I don't know. I'd do it only when Carney would be talking. We are going to build this country in a way that has not been seen. I wouldn't cut it. Literally talking about hundreds of thousands. Everyone else, except when he's talking about it. And that's why we're investing in apprenticeships and mid-carey. But I think people are worried, Mr. Carney, if new Democrats aren't there to force liberals to make sure they remember about people, they will forget.

Gentlemen, that is time. Thank you for that. No one's worried about that. The next question? To whom would you like to put it? Mr. Carney, you avoided quite, quite, uh, I would say skillfully the questions of Mr. Singh. But first, let me correct something.

In 2008, not so much by your decision. 10 billions of dollars were given to car industry in Ontario, while 60 millions, not billions of dollars, were lent to lumberwood throughout the whole of. Canada. I don't believe that's the right way to manage a crisis since you did not recoup the money from the car industry. Then you have been the manager of Brookfield. It's going to be a dream. But we now know that 50% of the investments of Brookfield is in fossil fuel. You say you want to support.

The EU did designate natural gas as far as green energy a couple of years ago. It's not fossil fuels anymore. The investments of Brookfield, but not in Canada. You want to support nuclear power, smaller reactors, which are more dangerous, by the way. And Brookfield has investments in Westinghouse. Yeah. Then the money of Brookfield in the money of Brookfield in Bermuda and Kaiman Allen, $30 billions of dollars.

Billions of dollars lost for Canada. You are having your taxes being paid by families, workers, elders in Canada and Quebec instead of paying your own taxes. So I want to know, will you, before the election, reveal all the details of your assets, as Mr. Singh has done, as Mr. Puelev has done, and as I have done, we have a right to know. Okay, let's let them answer. Under those circumstances. Let's let them answer. Well, the first thing is, I want to say a word about, I'll say a word about Brooklyn. You know, this is a Canadian success story.

It is the largest infrastructure investor and developer in the world. It is one of the- America, that's a success story. Developer of renewable power in the world. And who benefits from that? That's Canadian pensioners. That's Quebec pensioners. Shareholders on the New York Stock Exchange.

Fire. a series of people, including individuals, including individuals on this stage, benefit from that. Jeffrey Epstein benefited from that. Jeffrey Epstein's mother benefited from that. I have left that. I have followed all the rules well in advance. I have followed all the rules. Let's reveal your assets like we all did.

And working for the people of Canada. Why do you own? Why don't you tell? Canadians and that is time. What you own. Mr. Blanche, we're moving on to Mr. Poliev now, who has his opportunity to ask the question of whomever he'd like here, and that will be.

Mr. Carney, but if I could book him by setting the stage, the choice in this election is after a lost liberal decade of rising cost and crime and a falling economy under America's thumb, do we want to elect them to a fourth term?

Or do we want to change? change so that you can afford food and homes, change so that you can be safe on your street and change so that your paycheck grows faster than your cost of living. Change with a new conservative government because Mr. Carney is not changed. Mr. Carney, in 2020, it was recorded.

You began advising Justin Trudeau. It's still on the Liberal Party website today that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor. They might want to update your website on that. On June 3rd, 21st, that's a burn. You said that inflation would be a sign of economic progress. And you advised governments, including Justin Trudeau's, your liberal government, to print money, which led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation. Now, that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges and empty bank accounts, worried how they'd feed their kids, that seniors worried they'd be evicted from their home.

that young frozen bank accounts could never be able to own a home in the first place. Now, in retrospect, you look back on the liberal decisions that you advise Justin Trudeau to take. Will you look at the camera in the eye and apologize to the many people who suffered as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised Justin Trudeau to implement?

You know, it's... I said, I said, I'm sorry. I know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau isn't here. Are you denying your economic advisor? I did not provide any of that advice. I did not provide any of that advice. It's on the liberal party.

I'm sorry. Are you accusing your liberal party of lying about your role? Were they paying him the whole time and not picking his advice? The way you judge, the way you judge someone, in my view, is how they are. It's not being judgmental. When they have responsibility. Twice I was a central bank governor. And in both case, if I may, if I may, in both cases,

wait, let him snap for inflation. Inflation was less than 2%. I'll add that when I was here responsible for the bank of Canada, inflation was less than 2%, our dollar was at parity. That is the kind of success that I can deliver for this country, coming down in this crisis. And what is that stake here? You were the economic advisor to Justin Trudeau that gave us the worst inflation

that we have had in a generation. because the policies that you implemented and those of the MPs that are still in your ministry to the fellow Canadians crisis which the last 10 years has been about the liberals the next 10 years should be about you oh he just owned that that was great good answer actually I'm going to ask a question which um has been troubling me um and it's troubling me um and it's troubling me because security clearance. Here comes the gas light. Who is it, too? I'm going to ask a question, Mr. Polia. Yeah, it's a security clearance.

Good job. We're in a dangerous and divided world. We talked earlier about the challenges in the Middle East, the threats from Iran. That's going to be awesome. Russia's aggression in Ukraine. We have the threats from China, which I raised. We have the United States.

I hope he brings up the fact that Squinty McGinty. I'm sorry. Did he just say he. You raised the rights from China? Just let the guy talk. And in the context... I think he did, yes. Every one on this stage, Mr. Blashe,

Mr. Singh, myself. Yeah, security clearance. Hardcore. Hardcore. We never talk secret security clearance. I got mine within three weeks. It was the security plan. I felt it was important that I had to be in a position.

So stupid. He got it when he wasn't even eligible for it. He just trapped himself. Hold on, hold on. Mr. Palli. It is now 950 days, if my numbers are right. Please, Pierre, go for it. Go for it.

Your top secret security clearance, and you've refused. Go. Why? Go, go, go, go. Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister. I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that. But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings, that I would be gagged under the security law, and I could be

prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference. Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution. And that was not something I would be allowed to do. Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition, He never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.

And it's good that I would say I'd made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates, sir, actually said that he wanted to send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment and you refused to get rid of him. Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago,

to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company. No. No. No. You refused to stand up for a Canadian who was being threatened by a foreign government. And I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the liberal government attempted to impose on me. Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things. I think people at home have seen a, you know, robust debate here and it's been a robust campaign. Oh, look at every year. The time during his campaign.

by making challenges with respect to these issues. So one can address it. I will observe, as someone with the top secret security clearance, that China is not the only country that is accused of foreign interference. And gentlemen, that is time. We'll leave it at that. Oh, what a win. A little bit of time.

Yeah, that was smart. I can't believe what is that's Q&A's for each of you right now. Step on a rake badly there. And we're going to go left or right as I look at you right now. stepped on a nomadic rake. To the best one, I told you guys, they should have muscled themselves, man. To meet Canada's NATO commitment of 2% spending on defense,

when would you hit that target? My aim will be to 2030. Carney's going to be like, we're going to pay more time. When we renegotiate our trade with the U.S., I know it's their priority to see us increase our military budget. One of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff-free free trade we have. the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty.

And we will use that money to have heavy icebreakers in the north, beside an aircraft, fighter jets, a new base in the north, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies in the armed forces, and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military since the birth of our country. We will rebuild our forces and we will stand behind our veterans. Thank you, Mr. Pahliav. Mr. Carney, your question, you have cut both the consumer carbon tax and the capital gains tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor. Is that an admission that the liberals made life less affordable for Canadians? I think of the rationale behind both of those changes.

First, with respect to the consumer carbon tax, in effect, it become too divisive for Canadians. Canadians He's going to lose this just because he looks so pompous and sounds so pompous. He's so obnoxious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? He's very unnoticed.

That it was a tax without a rebate. It became divisive. It didn't serve its purpose. It made a relatively modest contribution to overall climate goals. I got rid of it. First act made Canadians whole. Secondly, but with respect to the capital

of gains tax- Made voters happy is what you did. This is a fundamental issue. We need to build this country. Builders, innovators. What have you been doing for 10 years? Rewarded. That's why I brought it back.

And that's time. Thank you. Mr. Singh. Would you change the existing cap on immigration? I've said that the level of immigration, first of all, we need immigration. It's fundamentally important to our country. It's new family. And we speak to any.

Not right now statistically. In Quebec, we speak to farmers. It's fundamentally important. What? A couple of things, though, we know. We need to be able to set. What? Why would you need immigrants for farmers?

A level that it meets our needs. If farmers need temporary foreign rights. foreign workers. He's looping that in to something that's longstanding. We also know that we should be very clear that the lack of investment from liberals and conservatives resulted in the fact that we have a shortage in housing. That's something that we've got to fix. I should also point out that if you were worried about the cuts being proposed by liberals and conservatives, both for new Democrats, we'll fight back to protect Canadians. Make sure that we've got It's 3 a.m.

And the light coming on. That's time. Monsieur Blanche, Quebec. With the carbon tax. Do you think that's fair? It's not entirely true. It's not a tax. What Quebec has is a system by which we invite big emission companies.

I don't know what to translate that to reduce their. I'll translate it for it. It's a tax. It is a tax. I see it on my hydroelectricity bill. It's called other fees. Our partner is California. Ultra fees.

Ultra fees, yes. These ultra fees. Emissions. And you're like when you call them, what are the other fees? Become here. Like a gestio. And by the way, you rope would impose tariffs on Canadian if it ever got there.

We're quite proud of that. And we have to be responsible because this is much less expensive than doing nothing by climate. That's time. We're going to do another set of quick- Left to right again. Left to right again. And 30 seconds this time.

Mr. Poliav, you've previously promised to defund the CBC as one of your very first acts as Prime Minister. Of course. Will continue to operate as a self-funded Canadian-owned and controlled non-for-profit. Somebody just wrote on my Twitter. She is tweeting for Carney. Advertising, license and fees, and countless other things that will ensure Canadians who still want to listen. and view its content will be able to do so. And at the same time, we'll allow freedom of the press

so that everybody has their voice heard and they can make their own decisions. Thank you, Mr. Carney. The next question to you, 30 seconds. Would you remove some of Canada's legal tax avoidance loopholes that companies that you have worked for have used? Look, I think that what we need to do is undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate taxes.

We've got to have fairness, transparency. The ability to get visas in America. And competitiveness. We need to be tax. Caribbean bank accounts for everybody. Including being part of a international minimum corporate tax through the OECD. And that is time. Mr. Singh, the question.

Clyde, he needs to make a maple syrup credit card. This election is over. What would your price be to support? other party. We've laid out our priorities. He's already got the pension. Build homes that people can afford. I can also tell you that we would defend CBC, unlike Mr. Poliyev, who wants to cut it.

And we were closed tax loopholes and offshore taxing. And responding to that and selling stocks and shares to make profits and then having less taxes on that is not hard work. And so those aren't the job creators. The people who are job creators are the hardworking men and women that contribute to our economy. Thank you, Mr. Singh. Mr. Blashe? Employees are not job creators.

Sorry. We hold the government in the next minority parliament. If it is that, what would be the price of your support? Respect for Quebec. That's quite easy. I don't want to go against what Canada wants for itself. But I don't want Canada to impose an economic vision or a multicultural vision on Quebec, which is different in terms of...

I'm talking about impositions when we all have to learn French and grade school. So I want to be a... Hey, we came here first. I won't one language cereal boxes, motherfucker. Canada has nothing. Hey, we came here first. You all know that. Yeah, the smart ones went to Louisiana.

Thank you, Mr. Blanchet. And look how that turned out. Yeah, they speak English. Yeah, they got gumbo and jambalaya. You mean Cajun. Great is regret during this campaign. That's a very good question. I'm not very fond of regrets, I would say.

But we should have. Let me think that we had to create the environment for a deal in which Quebec and Canada would be, one bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in front of Mr. Trump and showing that maybe nobody here is the partner to let go alone without being surveyed or controlled or supervised by a Quebec voice. Thank you, Mr. Blanchin. Same question, Mr. Singh, your biggest regret of this campaign. I am my own biggest regret. And you can't afford a plane. I think one of the honors of my job is to be able to meet people and to hear their stories

and then to take their stories and concerns. Nobody's showing up. And bring them to Ottawa and to fight for those people. And so I want you know, even though I haven't made it to your community. Fighting is like outside of parliament, the guys would call them a corrupt bastard. And we never let any government cut our health care that we defend the values that we care. Only the guys fights as with voters. Or affordable.

That's my commitment. That's my commitment. Don't fight me, bro. Carney, same question. Biggest regret of the campaign. To be honest, it was the same answer. This is an astonishing country.

It is an amazing country. Probably as well. I regret not being here for the past 40 years. I regret never being here. Hearing their story. I regret moving to London. And ideas from my life. And being working to be part of the solution.

I regret saying I would do this. It is the greatest honor of my life. I regret that island. vacation. I regret leaving that island with Jeff. I had a rule that at all my rallies, even when they're really big, I would stand in front of a flag and greet every single person and hear their stories and learn their struggles. And that was always touching to me that they would put their faith in me or in any of us. But we've been in such a rush because we have to get off to the next event.

So we haven't been able to stop and do that. And I regret drawing such large crowds. Yeah. Just a humble flex. Thank you, Mr. Polly. I regret that I had such a large crowd. I regret that you guys suck so much. So it's showing up to your things.

First word on a closing statement. Certainly. Thank you. Because you voted for New Democrats, we were able to build this country that we love. Universal health care and pensions because you voted for us. Because you voted for New Democrats, we were able to fight.

to bring in dental care, pharmacare, and childcare, because you voted for us, because you supported us. You have the power with your vote to send more new Democrats to Ottawa to continue that fight, to make sure that no government cuts the things that we hold dear like our healthcare, to ensure that we can do everything possible to make life more affordable by making it more affordable

to buy your groceries and to get a home. I'm asking for your support in this election so that I can continue to fight to defend the things that make Canada. He just did the Bernie Sanders thing. And once again, asking for your financial support. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.

No. He is trying to fundamentally change the world economy, the trading system. But really, what he's trying to do to Canada, he's trying to break us so the U.S. can own us. They want our land. They want our resources. They want our water. They want our country. And if you win, they will.

We're all going to stand up. And then what's going to try and have? I'm right. I've managed crises over the years. I've built strong economies. We will fight back with counter-terrorists. We will protect our workers in those businesses, and we will build the strongest economy.

We will build Canada strong. Correction, counter-terots. The honor of doing so. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Carney. Mr. Blanchet. For 260 years and a little bit more, The French,

devenu deities, devenu degen, French. Oh, here we go. Did he speak English in his final statements yesterday? Wait, right. You become Canadians, like all Canadians. He just translated it.

But to no avail, we are different. So let's be economic partners. Let's have a voice chosen by and for Quebecers, an ally or Canadians, as equals in France. An ally. And a lie.

Yes. An ally, not an ally. Get to the stage. I was born to a single mother and adopted by school teachers who raised me to believe in the incredible Canadian promise that anyone who worked hard could do anything. That promise feels broken today. Many of you worried about paying your bills, feeding your families, wherever even owning. a home, you're worried your kids are in danger. But I'm here to say, it doesn't have to be this way. With change, we can restore the Canadian promise so that hard work gets you a beautiful

house on a safe street under a proud flag. We can do it with hope for a change. Gentlemen, thank you for a very spirited debate tonight. Two quick points before we go. Number one, one of you celebrated your 60th birthday yesterday on this stage. If Francois Blanchet, Bon anniversary. Thank you. Bonne fete, a tour. The time of this debate, because the Leafs already clinched the Atlantic Division title, and therefore we didn't need to move the debate to accommodate a hockey game.

I'm getting back at my colleague who was in this position last night, and okay, go-Habs go, that's fine. With that, we're done. Thank you, leaders for being here tonight. We are just 11 days. John is biased. but there are many ways that you can cast your ballots starting tomorrow at advance polls. So when do we get to see the after questions?

When do we get to see the post-debate questions? This is something. I'll keep it up. I'll keep it up. And if they go to that. We've been holding back five, well, I've been holding back five race horses here that have all been just waiting to chomp in and talk and everything else.

Have at her, folks. Have at her. All I want, or you're going to moderate this. Is it going to be like? Do we rock, pick or scissors? Is he got five judges?

Like me, just talking over each other. Yeah. Okay, can we all agree? I'll start. I'll start. We're going to start with the only lady in the room. Okay. Jasmine, your thoughts on the debate.

I will say something slightly positive that I noticed that I appreciated. You noticed even between Carney and Pollyev a couple of moments where they were like looking at each other and kind of smiling and laughing and they had like some good decorum. And I always appreciate to see that even if it's with people that I don't particularly like. Jugmeet Singh, wauza, that was a nightmare. And I think overall with Mark Carney, you know, at the end of the day, the amount of times that he mentioned Trump, crisis, oh, I'm the guy to save you. I just, I'm so tired of that rhetoric. I think the Donald Trump stuff, don't get me wrong. It's frustrating. I hear it. Like, I hear when people are stressed out

about the tariffs, especially like people in my life who are talking to me about it. I get where you're coming from. But I'm so tired of the liberal party. wanting to get votes based on fear that they create and they want you to be scared. And so because you're scared, you're going to vote for us. And whereas Pollyev to me offers hope, he offers, I feel empowered when I hear him speak and I hear his ideas and his ideas and plans make a lot of sense to me. And so that's just like such a grave difference between the two. And also Blanchette is, wow, he may not know this yet, but we might be best.

friends. I would never vote for the block, obviously. I'm in Manitoba. But I was, I was very impressed with him tonight for sure. Do you want to go one by one? Sure. Julian, fire away. Well, I'm curious who you guys, who you guys thought was the best. Definitely Carney. Totally. I think it's nuanced. I think it's a bit all over the place. So, I mean, Carney was obviously prepared for this one. When it came to Pierre, Pauliev's question, that was a knockout move at that moment.

It seemed like Jugmeet was very focused on interrupting Pierre the entire time. That seemed like it seemed like a very a fixated thing. Like that was what his role was. And if you look at the cameraman's reaction to it, it always seemed like it seemed a lot like the cameraman was prepared, whoever was doing the switching board was prepared to have him in the shot when he would interrupt. So I don't know.

I'm not throwing out conspiracy theories, but just saying that that was that was a feature of the debate. Blanchet, largely, why are you even there if you're not trying to become prime minister of Canada? Yeah, okay, we had the French debate yesterday. You spoke to all the people that speak French. So I mean, honestly, let's hear, let's hear more from all the other candidates that want to be prime minister of Canada.

And in that vein, it's like, why is Jugmeet's thing there anyway? I mean, it really is Carney and Pierre Polyev. That being said, Pierre Polyev, this is a new character, I think, that we've discovered in the past few months. This is the somber pierre. We've discovered a bunch of different peers. I think their focus groups have decided that somber peer is the right peer to have at this debate. I've nicknamed him PR Polyev. I like natural in his own environment peer.

I think that's my favorite Pierre, but obviously they're going for the win. So they're going to go with the Pierre that meets the maximum amount of people being happy in the voter blocks that they're looking to get. Either way, I do think Pierre shined in this one. Carney was a trip up on a number of things. Jugnit Singh didn't look fundamentally serious at all. And Blanchet wasn't there to win. He was there to just give a voice to Quebec. that was it.

Toos. Well, thank you, Sean. I think that by and large, Jagmeet Singh could not have done worse. He could not have. He looked desperate. He reeked of desperation the entire time. It was embarrassing.

Like, I felt bad for him, even though I hate the NDP. Sorry, other Newman. I've been saying this for a long time. the NDP are not a serious party. And it could not have driven home harder than it did tonight. I think that Carney did a giant fumble in terms of the one-on-one with Polyevs at the end, especially when he gave him, when he gave him the security clearance question.

That was just the worst thing he could have done. And then him just not being able to clap back on the stuff, Pauliev was hitting him with. Blanchette had the best, I guess you could say Zingers. I don't know what. Les Zingales out of anybody

in the debate. But Pollyev, he got handed, he got handed the win on that when Carney just teed him up for it. So it was just interesting how everybody screwed it up. Jasmine's got her hand up. Go ahead.

Sorry. I'm a dick. I didn't mean to totally interrupt your train of thought there. I just saw CTV news posted, though, that the debate scrums have been canceled due to security concerns. Oh. Wow. So no media questions today in English.

That sucks. Okay. That sucks. That was all I had to say about that high level. Yeah. Vesper, you're sitting there off deep in thought. You're muted. He's muted.

And he's doing the Twilight Zone thing with the camera shifted. Yeah. Oh, sorry. It was cool. It was moody. I felt like I was watching Oppenheimer. Well, actually, I just saw Tamara Litch. She just retweeted Keen Bexie to answer Jasmine's thing that this liberal reporter from the Hill Times lost his mind, begging Keene Bexty not to ask Mark Carney about his candidate Ryan Turnbull, who called gays perverse and referred to faggotization. This reporter defended Turnbull saying he loves faggotism. agonization and then started screaming at Ezra Levant,

these people are broken. They're not the broken ones. No, but that's not the point. That's the whole, what started this whole fight. It was from the Hill Times about something related to what Ryan Turnbull said. It looks like Alex Altan got it on film. You got it on camera.

Yeah, no, I'm sure, but I just wanted to add context to what started the whole thing. It was about Ryan Turnbull, and it just led to more. Okay, where do I go? Wait a second. Wait a second. Can we just all like tip of the cap to Alex Zoltan for possibly having that on film?

If I was going to pick one guy to get that on film, it would be Zoltan. And I think that's amazing. Carry on Vesper. Yeah, Alex is awesome. We picked him up from the airport when he came here in Montreal and we hung out. He was deep in debate about what he was going to ask when he had a chance. And he had that. I don't know if you guys saw that wonderful two questions, you got a chance to ask.

ask Mr. Brookfield. But anyways. I was sad because I heard his other question that he's had planned for tonight, and if that's not happening, that it's a real shame. From my perspective, so everyone that knows me is I'm CPC,

Pierre Pahliav and all this stuff. I'll start from the bottom, Jagmeet Singh. Well, I mean, under the ground, Jagmeet Singh. This guy has, he knows, He has no chance to do anything but to be basically a chihuahua. And it didn't work today. He actually looked very immature.

And quite frankly, it was, you know, I would have, I would have preferred if you would believe it or not, Elizabeth May rather than Jagmeet Singh, she would have at least, you know, like, I don't care what she would have said. She would have held a tone that sounded more mature and not like a brat. She's better drunk than he is sober. As far, come on, dudes. You threw me off. I'm wrong.

You're not wrong. Don't throw me off. Give me a sec. I think Blanchette, listen, I don't care what any of you Westerners say. Clearly, you don't even wait for us to vote to decide the elections. Yeah, precisely. So please get yourself in check for a second.

So number one, Blanchet is a necessary evil. The one that put Carney hardest on the grill today, was Blanchet. That's why we're best friends. Right. You may not realize it, but Quebec is the kryptonite to Carney, because it exposes every hypocrisy that he stands for. While everyone else is bitching about, you know, like, think of it this way.

You guys are fighting for common sense on energy. Quebec has gone full retard on clean energy. If you go up, you take a full retard candidate against the half retard candidate, his worst enemy is the full retard who's going to expose. And that's exactly what we saw today. So Blanchette, kudos to him for going full retard and saying, how could you say your clean energy when you have all your investments in all these fossil fuel companies? Carney, I have nothing to say about him.

He was basically a smug, arrogant, elitist, even the way he waved at people. I know me and Julian kept noticing it. Like, my turn. Yeah. Like, Oscar, bring here the tea, please. Like, he was that kind of a guy. I want to say something and it's not going to sound very popular.

So, okay, I'm very upset with Pierre today. And the reason I'm upset is because I wanted a bulldog. Now, I get what his PR team is trying to do. I've done these scrums with PR teams. I've helped in terms of how to shift the narrative, the tone, the blah, blah, blah, blah, and the messaging. Pierre Today wanted to appeal to everybody else that saw him as very angry. In fact, Brian Lilly the other day brought up that question.

said people perceive you as being very angry. Well, you know, Pierre is a voice for the disenfranchised. Now, the question then becomes, Pierre, are you standing for what you want so that you can win this? Because today you look completely neutered. You were emotionally neutered or castrated. And that's what bothered me. It's not the messaging, but he was very neutered. And I think he did this for the senior citizen. He needed to come off like he was a very calm, very lovable boy. You know, I did my homework, mom. I took out the garbage and he didn't come off like the Pierre Puelle that we see in the House of Commons.

And a part of me today wanted him because what I was really waiting for, Sean and twos and everybody else, was that Brian Mulrooney moment with John Turner. I also was waiting for that. And where he was going to say, you failed Canadians. Your party has failed Canadians. And you don't have to speak super great English to say that. You have failed Canadians in the most epic way. Everything has doubled.

Food is doubled. There's homeless camps. He didn't mention any of the homeless shelters. He didn't mention any of the food banks that are now completely overburdened. He was just, he was going after a base and neutered. And I'll be honest with you guys. I met Pierre. We joked a couple of times when we've met.

He was very nice to me. His wife is very nice. I would still vote for him. But today I really wanted him to have that Brian Maloney moment, Sean. He needed, he had the chance. Like two said, like Clyde said, like all of you said, it got handed to him when that whole Encyclop thing came up. And he could have just mentioned, he could have dropped names.

He could have dropped all the stuff really quickly. And he didn't. I really wish you would have mentioned. the fact that Squinty McGinty, the guy who actually wrote Ensacop, is implicated in this foreign interference that that just dropped. Right. Right. Right.

Like the legislation itself is itself foreign interference. Precisely. And the, like, it's all the security apparatus is compromised. And Clyde, did you notice Clyde today was all about not making ripples? It almost came off like, don't make big ripples. Well, this is why I said it. He's somber pier. He's somber.

Pierre because the PR team said, hey, look, we did, we did a research group when we looked at it. When people, when people ask, here's the guy. As I walk out here, they're going to go, oh, how was the debate? Pierre win? I'm going to be like, I don't know. What I wrote down? Jasmine Carney's 5'7.

That's what I wrote down. He's 5'7? Yeah. And he really, he really focused on one month as a prime minister. Trump, Trump, I don't know if you heard about Trump, Trump's bad guy. Jagmeet was the Bulldog. If it wasn't for the very end. I would have said it was all stage because there was multiple times

where Carney and him look at each other and even Carney's going, just relax. I'll let you go when you need to. But then Jagmeet hit him with the question at the end. Now, I assume it was to seat him time so that he could talk more, but I was surprised by that, why he wouldn't go after Pierre. That actually surprised me. After everything he did the entire time, just on the entire thing. He didn't, man, that surprised me. Poliath missed a huge opportunity, too, by the way. Poliav missed a huge opportunity. We need the, we need the angry Pili of. We've been 10 years of this. What are you

sombering about it? I agree with you, Vesper. And then Blanchett is, if you didn't learn this from the last time he was on, he doesn't want to be the prime minister. And so you go, our debates make zero flipping sense if you can have a guy on there who literally goes, as he's the president of

Quebec, bro. No, I know. I'm good. I understand. Listen, I get it. I get it. I get it. I'm just going to say. Separate. Listen, I get how this works. And there he is sitting on stage and he had the best lines ever. The way he attacked Carney is how Pierre should have attacked him. And he jumped in on Singh and he's like, he voted for it.

It was awesome. And he was going, I would vote for him. He said it's a block and he doesn't want to be prime minister. It's like, uh. And he had to smile. He also had to smile the whole time. He did it with good diplomacy too. So it was like that perfect balance.

Even his broken English was a bit enduring. You're like, yeah, I don't mind it tonight. You know, it's kind of nice. Yeah, well, he sounded like he was chewing on a baguette the whole time. But here's the thing is you shouldn't have to say, I want to be prime minister to run. If you're running in a select area or you don't have enough candidates to win and you're not trying to be prime minister,

you're just trying to do a party that represents something. You should be able to run on any platform you want in any way. And if people are voting for it, then that's, totally fair and totally on board. Like you gave Maverick a hard time over this same thing. And I'm like, you know what? If we had Terrick El Naga as leader of the Maverick up there and they had a half dozen seats, I would want to hear what he has to say. Because it's not, it's not about whether you're going to be prime minister.

It's your party. It's your party. And you're representing the people who vote for you. Even if it's that fucked up province that just wants everything for free and doesn't want any pipelines to pay for it. Well, I agree with you. And I'll enter the PPC in just for a hot sec.

They literally met what they were supposed to meet to be in this debate. That's why the green's got to take out. And then they went Blue Loop. Whoops. Nope. We're not allowing you on the stage. We're allowed old Jagmeet back on. And he's going to do exactly what he does. And they're like, nobody's voting for you. You suck. I'm glad. From what I understand, because

I watch Frank Vaughn quite a bit. He talks about the PPC quite a bit. He said that Max didn't reach, he didn't actually file the registration to be part of the debate. So like even though they changed the rules after the fact, he didn't even enter it. He didn't even enter it. So. But see, the word here, here's the thing. The irony in this whole thing is that we want people to be diplomatic, but it is precisely diplomacy that lost the debate for me today.

Yeah, that's a good point. Canada is not in a place. The policies that have happened over the past almost a decade now have been so anti-charter, anti-diplomatic, that for us to now stand there with a smile and act all diplomatic was not what I think Canada needs. Now, I will understand in terms of strategy, you want to win a base and everything, Pierre.

Carney was stoic the whole time. He smiled like twice. Okay. But if I had to pick from the kind of personality, and believe me, this is not because of Quebec, if I could take Blanchette, wash his mind of all this Quebec sovereignty BS. Don't worry. He's already brainwashed, dude. I would want to get. I would, no, no, you know what I'm saying. Like, if I wanted a prime minister today, you want Blanchette, I would want the character of a Blanchette who's not afraid to call. out what you did. Well, yeah, if Blanchet actually cared about Canada, like he cares about Quebec, I would be, I would actually be stoked on that guy. But I would be like, I don't care if he's from Quebec.

If he's, if he's stoked, that's stoked on Canada, bring him in. I'd like that guy. Yeah, forget all the Quebec stuff. No, no, forget all the Quebec stuff. Sorry, go ahead, Jasmine. I just find for me and I try my best with this, because obviously there's tons of things that each of you are saying that are, I'm, I'm resonating with and I'm like, yeah, I totally feel that way too.

but I also am trying to think strategically, like you had said, like, you know, for Pierre to go off in some way, shape, or form, he would have killed it. We all know that. Like the few little attacks he did have there, I don't know if I'd call them attacks, but the little pushes that he did have were great and we saw that. But I do think that the mass media machine on top of the liberal party as a whole has done such an excellent job at absolutely manipulating. people into what they think Pierre Pauliev is versus what they think Mark Carney is. I'm going to disagree with you there. And I'll tell you why I disagree with you. I disagree with you because Pierre Trudeau, who completely wrecked Canada and had John Turner belly button take over for him, when when Mulroney was standing there, he didn't have to yell. He didn't have to smile. In fact, if you watch that, Mulroney didn't need the smile. And Pierre, needed to take off that smile off his face for a second and be diplomatic and say you have failed. And so this is where we're disagreeing.

The entire mainstream media who, by the way, correct me if I'm wrong, Pierre Trudeau started this whole thing of funding all this money in into the mainstream media. Were they more critical? Yeah, I'd say so. But all the polls were leading to John Turner. If you would have watched the news at that time, it was all pushing that the liberals are going to win and that the conservatives are going to cut all. the benefits and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You can stand there with strength and speak in a very serious manner. But I think what he just kept doing is appealing and he came off soft. We need strength. We don't need someone to come off soft. And I'll make an argument and none of you will believe me. I'm sure Clyde is not going to believe him to say this. But Carney looked more stronger than Pierre today. Yeah, his stance.

His stance actually, absolutely. Yeah. Serious cutthroat. That's it. again, I didn't want to drive too hard on this one because I've been driving this one pretty hard for the past month and a bit. Pierre Polyev has made a huge shift and he's done it at the behest of his PR team. I started nicknaming him PR Polyev and in the hopes that the peer the PR team or even Pierre himself might get the hint that this is not what people like. But they've just gone fullborn with this.

They kept going down that path. They keep shifting. now today's somber Pierre because, you know, again, it's the PR team making these decisions. It's not Pierre. We're not getting Pierre. People like Pierre.

And of course, yeah, the media is going to say things like you look angry just to get him off his game. And guess what? It worked. It worked. He's off his game. He's not his himself.

Believe me. You know, I want to push back on that a bit. Hold on me. I think I'll lay my plane on this one. Hey, everyone can argue at the one. Yeah, I'll lay my plan on this one.

I'll land my plan on this one. If Pierre would have come out and he would have been the Apple interview Pierre that we all have gotten to know, I guarantee you all those people that have been convinced that Pierre is just an angry guy would have been then looked at that situation and said, he's not angry. He's passionate. That's different. It's so much different than that. And that is what they would see.

They would see that in that moment. and they would have been there for it, and then they would have, they would have enjoyed that. So I think it's a big ball drop to go with the somber pier. I know what they're trying to do, but I just didn't think it worked. You're right. And Jasmine's totally right, too, though. And she's about to make the point that I'm going to agree with. Okay.

I'm going to say something totally different now. No, I hear you, Clyde, and I completely agree with you there. And again, I'm trying to take myself, excuse me, I'm trying to take myself out of it as somebody who like I'm already sold. You already got me. And those of us here who are sold, we're already sold. I'm less sold now because of the last month. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Gotcha. I just, it's, it's such a tricky place to be in at the moment and largely due to just this absurdity coming out from the other side that it's like a multi-billion dollar machine behind them of our taxpayer of money, by the way. And it's just, it's just a really tough situation to be in

because even, you know what, actually, this just came to me. Even let's say like, oh, you know, you had everybody. We liked Pierre when he was that Pierre. Well, yeah, but then Carney was introduced. And if you want to judge by the polls, however much you trust those sample sizes, that's up for you to decide. But, you know, if people were so quick to switch the other way, did people really like that Pierre?

Or was it just that they really hated Trudeau at that point in time? And so I agree. I love the feisty pierre. And I think that's why he still has my support because I know that that's him. And I'm also looking at all of this from a bit more of a strategic standpoint here in in really giving the liberals and the media machine less to go on when it comes to attacking him ruthlessly. So if I can, I want to respond to that without disagreeing with you, which is something I rarely do on this show. But I will say that strategically, you are correct. Okay.

If we were just looking, are you coughing? Okay, someone's coughing. He's choking and coughing at the same time because all you do when you come on this show, Vesper, in the best possible ways, argue, and we love it. Listen, she's, you're not wrong, Jasmine. It's strategically the smart move with this entire farm bot machine coming. It's at moves. Don't, don't, don't, don't assume that's a smart move.

Thank you. The thing is that when we would play. plan for somebody that I don't know was found with a prostitute, let's say it for a company. And we needed to, how do we change? Like Jack late. I never did business for him. But yeah, okay. So the idea is, is that how do I make this so that he's palpable again?

The thing is, and to Clyde's point here where I'll completely agree with Clyde, when you were yourself and you become an overnight celebrity, not just in Canada, but across North America, maybe even in Europe, that should have signaled to you that you, and he wasn't angry eating that stupid apple. What he was was very, was very calm and was very assertive. And today, and con, well, yes, if you want to add that to, of course. But the thing is today, I didn't get a confidence. What I got was somebody that was castrated from being himself at all. Like complacent.

Complacent with the situation you're putting in. So if I were in that room, in that war room with their stupid PR team, because I'm sorry, I would have said to them, here's the thing. We're at the brink of a decision. And there is obviously a dissatisfied population versus a very satisfied population. The fact that you didn't bring up Justin Trudeau's name more than once, twice maybe, The fact that you didn't bring up Arrivecan, the fact that you didn't bring up

the SDTC scandal. You didn't have to necessarily go after Justin all the time, but you could have gone after every scandal for the last just five years, okay? The fact that they found that the use of your emergencies act was deemed illegal by the Supreme Court of Canada.

All these talking points, no, no. Let's appeal to the nice piece. We are dealing with clowns after all, and I hated that. I wanted him to bring up, not because I wanted to lose, Jasmine. I do see your point. But I would have said there is ample dynamite in all these talking points, and he didn't use it. Well, it's the same strategy. That's why.

Oh, my goodness, Mr. Julian, do we need to rock paper scissors here? You know what? You talk, Julian. You haven't talked in too long. Go off. I was just going to say it's the same strategy that lost. the election for Tom O'Kare.

And the same strategy that lost it for Aaron O'Toole and the same strategy that lost it for Andrew Shear. Like you can say, right, like, I wish I Pierre Poliev was a person who was less confrontational, but

you just are a person who is more confrontational and no one buys it if you're being non-confrontational and just comes off as inauthentic and weak, as you say. I think with people you can't lie like people always see through your bullshit

and the only way forward is the truth and if the truth is that you're very upset about where Canada is that's the truth you should be communicating like lying about what you really mean doesn't work yeah yeah and then this Clyde just said this to me it's a perfect point

and for those of you who don't recognize the bottom picture. It's from a Primus music video. Is that Caitlin Jenner? No, it's prime. It's primus. It's too old for you, Jasmine. It's us old timers.

I made that in the other day because I thought it was so fitting because this is the viewpoint. Like, oh yeah, you know, Pierre, he's intelligible. You know, you listen to what he has to say. It's great. But, well, okay, we need to change the image a little bit. Oh, now he's likable. Now he's this thing.

And we change it enough that he's a and it's just this fake classic. Hold on. He's looking at the legacy media or the comms team is looking at the legacy media as the gatekeepers to winning support from the masses. And the whole time where he was being himself,

where he was eating the apple, he was bypassing that. He was just going right around them and appealing to them directly. And then now this new version of Palliev, I mean, we've been talking about it on the mashup as well. Clyde, I think you're absolutely right.

And I think it's basically what Jasmine was talking about, where he or their comms team is more worried about the backlash from the legacy media than they are about actually weighing people over. And it's doubly contradictory because if people were looking at the legacy media pushing back on him as the people that the liberals give hundreds of millions of dollars to individually and then the CBC billions every year who are shit

talking him while he's saying the things they want to hear it's going to cement his stance. This is where the win is. Hold on. That is where the win is. That's exactly it but he's worried more. I'll explain the win. So the win here, this is how it works. The legacy media

they have you on, you have your Apple moment. What do they do? They get outraged by it. They're like, look how Rudy. was look at this clip. It's so rude. And then and then people are watching it. And they go, wait a second, he didn't look that rude at all. Like I watched that. It didn't seem rude. Wait, the media is freaking out and they're spreading the image. Then it goes on to social media. Then it goes elsewhere. And then eventually like what Asman Gold watched it. It got millions of

views. Next thing you know, the daily show's talking about it. And then it's all over the interwebs. That was months later. This is why you keep doing this kind of thing. You engage with the media, but you do it in an adversarial role because that's what they are. They're an adversary and you allow them to have their freak out. Don't be afraid of their freak out. The freak out is your free press. You can you can literally take your budget and stick it in your pocket and just go, hey, press, you want to talk about something?

Let's watch you freak out. And then you win. This is how it works. Just so we're all clear, by the way. I mean, Pierre did win. He won yesterday and he won today. And that's not because I'm CBC. He originally compared to what he could have done.

He got handed an empty net. And I just flesh it out, too. Blanchetto played them. Let me flesh it out. Let me flesh it out real quick. The only one that stood up today for Canada's middle class was Pierre. Say what you want. Nobody else talked about the middle class.

You had Jagmey talking about his three slumlord friends that need more employees and their unions. You had Blanchet that could care less about people and just talk sovereignty. You had Carney talking about his energy modular sector. No one talked to Canadians. The only one that looked at the camera and was talking consistently to the working Canadians of Canada, albeit could have, like we're all saying, he could have done it with a little bit more authenticity. It was Pierre and it was the same yesterday when I was listening to him. And believe me, I'm no fanboy.

I'll call Pierre out on any shit that he says. But he was the only one that's- Even his fan boy, should. That's the only way he gets better. But that's my point. He still spoke up for the Canadian. middle class. In my estimation, he didn't speak for just

Albertans. He didn't speak for everyone. He spoke to Canadians who are struggling financially with their money, which happens to be not only the low class, but the middle class. And that to me is a win. If anyone picks Carney at this point, is because they flat out, do not understand and are just voting blindly.

You might as well. I tell you what, he clinched the Brookfield vote. If you work for Brookfield, you're like, oh yeah, I work in that division. I got a buddy in that division. He's going to do lots for our company. He keeps surreptitiously name-dropping all of this Brookfield stuff that they're invested in. If I was a manager in Brookfield, I would absolutely vote the shit out of Mark Carney. You know, if I could make a logo for Pierre, it would have been a P, a four, and a P.

And play off that and say Pierre, four people. And that's important because that's the thing that he doesn't see. seem to, the people don't seem to understand. He's trying to appeal to people, but you, you needed to highlight and leverage what has been taken from the people. So if you're going to advocate, okay, from a marketing perspective, okay? If you're going to advocate for people, you have to say, the reason we're advocating is because this was taken away.

You can't just 10 years liberal debt, decade lost. Yeah, you can't say decade lost. You have to, you have to qualify what it is that you're giving that. was taken and he didn't do that today. He didn't do that today. So he did defend the middle There were a few mentions of it, but definitely not as big as he should have. And like I again, like I said, I absolutely agree with you. And then I'm also thinking of it from a strategy perspective too. And so, you know, you even said yourself there that Pierre by far was the one for the people. And so to that effect, I think he did, I think he did good. I'm happy to see that he was there. Would it have been nice

to have also even just, you know, selfishly to have felt somewhat vindicated to have him bring up some of those other things that all of us talk about on the, I guess like on the interwebs, on the fake news, as CBC calls it, that would have felt good for sure. I would have enjoyed seeing that and hearing that. And there are so many things that we've all worked very hard to bring to light to the general public. And this would have been a phenomenal opportunity to do that that could have also secured a win. And also, again, just felt really good because these things often get,

just don't even get any attention whatsoever. And so I'm just kind of, I'm in a tough place, like I said, when it comes to this, because I love the Pierre Polyev that I first began feeling really inspired by a number of years ago. I've seen how much he has grown. It's been phenomenal to watch that journey. I'm sounding like a Pinterest story right now. Yeah, okay, stop shilling. Stop shilling. Stop shilling. But, you know, I'm undecided in my own feelings at the moment.

If I'm more upset about that for selfish reasons, then I am about what his actual performance and the ripple effect of it may or may not be. I think that's kind of where I'm X. It's like, oh, hell yeah, I would have loved if he really went hard on some things. I absolutely thought he dominated in the security clearance question. That was just, I don't even know. know that was I can't believe Carney even asked that.

But see, that's the point, Jasmine. Why did he wait for people to ask him? He should just work on offense. He has ample, ample stuff to work with. Why are you waiting for people to bring this up? He would have had to, in all fairness, though, it would have been a little bit threading the needle to get it exactly right to where he was the apple guy

and not Thomas Mulcair near impotence. But didn't we all walk in in the night? it's English, it's an English debate, right? And so Vesper said at the start before we got in here, what did you think of the French debate? And I said, well, I'll speak French. So I had to listen to Vesper, break it down. And I was more enjoying Vesper laughing and everything. And it was like, Vesper could have talked to, well, you did talk over the entire thing because I was listening to you do it, you know? And tonight, you know, like, um, uh, I think we're all waiting for and, you know, like, I'm not the political nerd. I just keep hearing political nerds talk about Marrooney and his like

punch out, right? And I'm sitting. gone and watched it and his stern adult voice is what I was waiting for right like it's like how are things going to change I do I love to I believe the polls you know me and Vesper have had this discussion lots on on the polls and where they sit and you're like well how do you get a correction but you have the knockout punch and it's in English and here it is here we go folks here we go and you wait it all night and a couple of times there was glimmers it was glimmers and you go who won the debate well most common sense thing that was talked about all night was pier pier every time he opened his mouth, for the most part.

Like, overall, we want the debate. But when I walk out of this room and people go, how was the debate? I'm going to go, I don't know. It was like, I mean, like, two hours of. Nutered. The debate was neutered. I really appreciate that, that Mulrooney moment. I really do.

And I think about it every time I pay the GST. Yeah. Julian. Julian. I think the knockout punch for Carney was Carney himself. him walking into the rake he just like he just really sucks

I mean he was just really really obnox and that's the main story of the debate just like it can no longer be ignored that Mark Carney

sucks looks weird and is really obnoxious and full himself and like this is just like yeah his pompousness was really present today yeah he spoke with like

a patronizing tone that's fair whole time if I was the conservative party I would just make like clips, just like mashups or you guys use the word mashups in my mind. But mashups was just like Mark Carney's hand movements just being really annoying. And then we'll also compare them to like Donald Trump or something and we'll say, how can you stand up for Canada when all you do is copy Trump? Reverse psychology.

Well, I mean, we both spouted it out at the same time. And we're like, that's exactly Trump's policy on tariffs. Interesting note, guys, we got over 11,000 people watching us. The only people who had more people watching live and they're done now was CBC. Yeah. Awesome. So I have one. Probably bots anyways.

So I had one comment from the chat that I wanted to bring up. D. Chris says Blanchett won the debate. My thoughts are that every province should be a sovereign nation within the federation. So, yeah, based on that. But then we would have to have like every province represented in the debates if that's the case. I am moving out of Manitoba if that is the case. Yeah, what do you guys even care about dental care? Ouch.

Well, the other thing, Clyde, your viewer's thing is that our comment is that the Quebec story actually is a really big story. Probably like if the liberals lose in Quebec, they lose. And it really does, like right now, I think they're doing well. But if that changes, that could totally change to the dynamics. Can I, can I, may I share something that you could share on the screen? I don't know if you guys can do that if I send you something to, it is your dick. Whoa.

Can we, can we Christian this a little bit? It might be mine. It's 20, 25, after all. All right. All right. Yeah. Throw always, always the women. It's always the women.

I've been practicing my windmills. Oh, boy. I just dropped it in the chat just so you want to know what the biggest Montreal newspaper had to say from the Journal de Morale. Look at what they say. So if you're, Julian, you asked about Quebec. Whoa. Wow.

This is, this is the biggest newspaper in Quebec in Montreal specifically. And look at what they call them. If you go down, look at what the person that's reporting on this says that the liberals were like. If you go down, look what they call. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Go back up a little bit. Go back up.

Yeah. Okay. You're going all the way up. I just said, go down one. Just one. Who's? All right. Look at the last paragraph, too.

Just read the last paragraph. Okay. As Genevieve La Juaire wrote yesterday. day more than 700 how you say sexual offenders have received a Netflix sentence since

November 16th what does that mean? You know what they're basically saying they've all been given stay at home charges they weren't put in jail 700 sexual offenders this is Quebec they're talking about the liberals on what they've done

700 rapists are allowed to stay home and watch Netflix. That's not really that many in Quebec because you guys are all perverts. You're too kind with the accent going with like the actual French France accent instead of the Durban. I'm talking about a serious subject. This is the sort of thing that makes me frustrated though about even having like, don't get me wrong Blanchette was nice. He was a spitfire tonight. He kind of played the part that I wish.

Pollyev had a little bit more. I have no idea why Jugmeet Singh was even there with his numbers right now. I understand the logistics. I understand how everything works there. But seeing things like that and also, you know, I'm flashing back to when they very, very briefly talked about climate change, when they very, very briefly talked about their crime policies, I would have loved if the people who were most like who are actually going to win if it was between them and they had the opportunity to go back and forth on those things. And so it's annoying how so many people are allowed because it does cut down the time so much. And in that you end up and it's I'm sure it's very intentional as we saw with Mark Carney tonight and his non answers and intentionally doing that. It's frustrating because

there's things that really matter. But because our politics are set up the way that they are and our government is the way that it is. You have to give time to all of these people who are irrelevant. And then you, you just skirt over these things that actually are really important. You don't leave any room for Cinderella stories like that, though. It really should have just been Carney and Pierre tonight. It really just should have.

But it should always be that. It should always be the two parties that are leading. Like, that's what you want. But you made, you know, Vespers dealing with what I deal with on the far side here, folks all the time. You made a very interesting point. The paper literally called the liberals pointed out that they're letting rape us out. Correct?

Am I writing that? Yeah. Is it, I don't know, twos? You make a joke about it, but that's pretty big news. Is it not? Oh, it absolutely is big news. But that doesn't mean I can't be flippant about it? Maybe I shouldn't be.

I mean, look what it says. Sean, look what it says. Look what it says. And after that, we are told that Pierre Pauliev is too tough on criminals. It was Trudeau who was too soft, not just soft, but silly. He swallowed the worst nonsense of the woke religion just to look cool to the social justice warriors. You see racism everywhere. Soft silly and swallow all in that same paragraph.

When you're in prison for a serious crime, there's only one question that matters, just one. Did you commit this crime? Yes and no. And this is the point. If you all had your doubts about Quebec being liberal, Quebec hates the liberals, period. And everything that is coming into Quebec is just money that's pouring in for advertisements, pretty much. That's the only reason liberals even get a seed here because of the amount of corruption in construction. SNC Lavalin, anyone? A new rail?

A new rail. Construction is like the hub for liberals. And I think, unfortunately, when we had a chance to call all this stuff out, you know, I still really think I'm very confident. Pierre's going to win. I think at the end of the day, people are dumber than we give them credit for. They look at the chicken and it's worth $20. Hey, honey, wasn't it? Like $8 before? And then they're like, who's running this place? And then they look it up and it's a big L with a little maple leaf. And they go, F those people. Let's go for the other party. So someone, I think Clyde is the one that said this. We don't vote. What did you say? We don't vote governments in. We vote them out. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. If anyone thinks that they're going to stay after, like, people were bored with Harper, and that's why they fired him. Can you imagine what they're going to do with the liberals? Yeah, but Harvard made some crucial mistakes. Like, I think Harper missed the boat on the zeit guy shifting when it came to, like, legal weed. That was a big enough issue.

Actually, it was a big enough issue. I remember when he did that in the 2015 election, and I went. Yeah, right? Like, oh, could you just, why? I don't you. And this isn't me saying like I was the biggest fan of Harper. I'm not a big fan of the idea of, you know, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, what he was pushing on that one. I didn't necessarily even agree.

I know a lot of people praise him for saving the economy during the OA crisis. I think that Canada would have largely been fine because of the fiscal responsibility prior to that, even if they didn't get into all the deficit spending. So I don't think they needed to do that and try to take the credit. In fact, that's what opened the door to Carney when he was the bank, the governor of the Bank of Canada to lower interest rates massively and keep them there for a long, long time. And that led to the housing market.

Boom. This is asset bubbles, you know, all of this stuff. But it never bursts. No, no, it doesn't. Any day now, any day now. Keep it inflating it. Just keep inflating it. You know, just keep pumping it up.

Side note, I asked Grock about what Singh had kept saying about Pollyev firing all the border guards. And he said, you know, he fired 5,000 border guards, fired 5,000 border guards. According to Grock, in 2012, as part of federal budget cuts, the CBSA issued over 1,100 layoff notices with estimates suggesting around 250 to 300 front. line officers. But those were also a lot of those positions were things that at the time, just with the state of the world and whatnot were things where we actually could cut some of those. And yes, that would definitely now that we have hindsight over here, you know, yeah, that probably wasn't the best idea. And then I think not, well, I was going to also add to that though, too. You know, and I don't think that that was a fault of the government at the time. I actually think

that was more of a fault of the liberal government and what they ended up doing to us. I think that is why that ended up being such a bad thing was solely due to their crappy policies and them not caring about anything until Donald Trump suddenly lit a fire under their ass over it. But it's 250 to 300 as opposed to 5,000. Yes. So, yeah. And they did play it at the time, or at least say it was a streamlining. effort, which it might have been.

I'm not sure. I didn't follow things closely enough back then. But what is that? Hold on. But how is that tied today? But how does that tie to today? Because Paul said it kept saying it was $5,000, $5,000. Yeah, but what does that matter?

I don't listen to saying. What does it matter actually? Well, if you don't listen to saying, you missed the part where he said $5,000. It's a fundamental difference of opinion when it comes to the liberals and the conservatives. The conservatives look at it this way. If the people that are doing a job are more efficient at what they do and they're doing it in a way that actually gets the job done, then you don't need as many people in that position. So at that time, when they, when they cut the numbers, that was, it was apt. They didn't need these extra bodies.

They were getting the job done and they were becoming efficient. Then all this, and this led credibility to what you were saying, Jasmine, that, you know, things got worse. and so we needed more people. But then they're just adding more bodies. They're not adding any structure to it. They're just adding bodies. And this is the thing that the government does. The liberal government loves to do.

Just throw money at a problem. Don't think about the actual like logistics. Outcomes. The outcomes, logistics, any of that stuff, just throw money at the problem. And this goes into like the housing situation. They say we're going to, we're just, you know what? We're going to, we got a great idea. We're going to build 500,000 houses next year because we need,

500,000 houses. Not, not, we're going to train people so that they can build houses. We're going to put people in the trades. We're going to, you know, bring people in that can do the trades that we have shortcomings and shortfalls and

all this other stuff. They don't even think about that. They just say throw money at the problem in a workforce where we only can possibly make about 230,000 homes. Like, and that's diminishing. That was about the highest we ever did. Hey,

270 was the highest we ever did in the past like 10 years. But like average is about 230 and that's diminishing. as people are retiring unless people are going into the trades. And they're saying, well, we'll get it with immigration. Okay, show me how many you've brought in through immigration. Darshan Maharajah is really great on this one because he's shown that they haven't brought anybody in. No, they're saying the Tim Harkins employees, though. Yeah, we bring in like 500,000 people in a year and none of them have any skilled trades.

And they're not entering the skilled trades. So like, it's a misnomer. But hold on, hold on. First of all, two observations. He talked about this today. And he said the only people that we're going to allow in is unless you're in danger, imminent danger, and if you come with a particular specialty or trade. Now, I don't know if you guys noticed today as an observation. The moderator was basically also like just a weakling.

But did you guys notice the only person he actually pushed back against was Pierre? He didn't, when he talked them about the Ukraine thing, he didn't push back against. He pushed back at Sting at one point for not answering a question. No, no, but that's different. He kept telling Singh one minute, one minute, one minute. No, he said you didn't answer the question. Yes, but that's not the same as trying to make somebody look bad on a particular topic. Pierre starts out by saying, yes, we need to support Ukraine, which, by the way, on a personal level, I think we've sent them enough money.

Okay. We sent them enough money a year ago. But that's not the point here. The point is it's a no-win argument here. You have to say yes, okay? because too many people are brainwashed. I still see people with Ukraine flags in their Twitter feeds and their Twitter profiles. So he won on that.

He said yes. And the guy came back like you were not being clear. Why is the moderator attacking the leader of the CPC at whose behest? And we all have to remember all you 11,000 beautiful people out there, Radio Canada is an arm of the CBC. Okay? Just remember that. They share the same building.

That was in the debate yesterday. They were asking him to Pierre in French. You said you wanted to defund the CBC. Do you know that Radio Canada is an arm of the CBC? Something in me today bothered me when he did that because this to me stinks of basically the CBC, even in a little bit, trying to somehow besmirch Pierre, which would lend to Jasmine's point here,

that he needed to play like he was around effing landmines because not only is the guy to his right or left an enemy, but even the moderator and his bosses hate him, right? So that's something that I need to. Can I disagree with you guys? Sure. Sure. Absolutely not.

That's why you're here. That's why you're here, my man. First time I can disagree. Go for it. Yeah, I think the reason, like, my impression from what you guys are saying is, you know, you think the reason Jagmeet was attacking Poliev so much and not Carney is because he's allied with Carney somehow. What? Jagmeet just turned off his feed. Wow.

Really? Yeah. to argue one time. It's China. China's already after him. No, it's not allowed to have those talking points. Elbows up for China.

What happened? No, it's Calistanians. We'll wait for you. They're notorious for being in computer engineers and programmers. Is Julian in, is Julian home right now, or is he out of the country? Home is out of the country.

He's in California. Well, that's what's Donald Trump, obviously. I think he's in California. Yeah, I mean, first of all, where's twos?

Unless he's gone to take a break. Two's had to take a one. He's not have to take it to. That would have been. It's okay if you did. You're not Kim Jong-un. It's fine. Everybody poops.

But that was not me. Except for Kim Jong-un. It's a great children's book. I don't know if you guys heard, but somebody on my ex has been posting and reposting that the reason Carney's been messaging is Xi Jinping is the one that's been posting for him on X. And I couldn't believe it. I'm like, you know what?

It's true because if you see how well they're done, it's almost like as if the guy, the guy is so inauthentic that he handed his own account to his staff and said, while I'm doing the debate, no, Pierre didn't. the entire debate go look no but they still hand their account to their staff no but that's the point why are you tweeting during the debate happening yeah yeah no it's supposed to be that that personal account that years ago yeah look guys i'm no fool i know why you're doing it but here's the thing it says everything about the party to me that stinks of desperation it's almost like they need to convince everybody and they're going full guns blazing and pierre is just kind of

And this is where once Clyde said to me, and I'll agree with you, Clyde. I will admit that I was wrong. What? That, yes, shut up. I was about to go to number one and I'll wait for that. Okay. Every single other person on this stream started doing the rock look when you said that. I will admit that I was wrong because I normally, first of all, I'm not going to call you the P word that I always call you.

But I, okay. But on this point, you were right, is that he's coasting. like the other leaders did, and it's going to cost him if he doesn't pick up the pieces. Today, he coasted. And he needs to go full Donald Trump on this in every single way. He needs to go not necessarily just podcasts, but everything needs to be about exposing.

What I've noticed, and I don't know if you guys have noticed, it's his MPs, Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Lanceman. All these people are doing the exposing, and he's trying to keep this like pristine image. And I don't know, man, even if he wins, right? Is he, is he, I mean, think about it, he wins. What is he going to revert back to being that Pierre that was a bulldog? That's going to then turn people off again.

How long is that going to last? Are you going to put up an act at that point? Right? Because you want to, this is the freedom that Trump has. Yeah, I'm an asshole. Yeah, I'll tear of countries that have penguins that live there. I don't care. Like he's owned by somebody.

No, no, it's not. No, no. I thought that's what the story was. No, it's owned by a king penguin. Okay, that's it. The point is, is that he didn't care. He didn't care. I'm going to tear off the stone.

I'm going to tear off the stove. I'm going to tear of everything. And he gets to be himself. That's the point here. And the second you stop being yourself, your product becomes inauthentic. And that's the problem. If iPhone wasn't so beautiful and everything and dressy and whatever, you would say, okay, it's a good product.

But the second they try to copy something else, it loses its value in the way that it's perceived in terms of the promotion of it. Pierre, you're promoting a Pierre that's not Pierre. At some point, people will catch on to that in authenticity. So even if you get in and you win, a majority, And then you suddenly become that bulldog. The liberal establishment is going to very, very quickly try to turn you into you are a fraud, you are fake, you're not really nice. And make no mistake, folks, just because he wins does not mean liberals are gone.

Okay. There's a whole bunch of dirtbags that still exist in Ottawa that have no scruples or morals. They will do and say anything to get any money from any foreign government like China or India or any of these. So I want to agree with you. I wholeheartedly apologize. You were right. I was wrong. He needs to change his gears and he needs to go completely like how Donald Trump went.

And I feel like I obviously come up this from a different place because like I worked. Hold on. You guys have your moment. Of course. He railed on me. He railed on me for doing this. And I feel vindicated in the moment. You know, Clyde, if you noticed, I gave him the full screen.

I just let it. If you're going to have apology, we're going to give you the entire screen. You don't got to rub it in. No, no, no. You don't got to rub it in, bro. No, no.

So there's no rubbing it in here. Like I've been saying this for like a few months. Ever. Yeah, I've been saying this for a few months. I do, I do feel vindicated. But like at this point,

it's not, it's not about like, ooh, I'm great or anything. It's like, great. Now we're on the same page. Let's work together on this.

Let's work together on this because. I'm still going to call you the, P word, by the way. I just want to remember. Yeah, yeah. Poonani, like, all day long. Whatever. Oh, my God. Okay.

But, but here's the thing. Like, I, I just follow my convictions. And sometimes it's not, it's not popular. But, like, it's where my heart was. It's where I thought that this is where I really believed that it was. And if, if it turns out that I'm vindicated, I'm like, wow, what a relief. I wasn't an idiot. I wasn't, like, just completely wrong in an idiot.

Oh, no, you are an idiot. You were just. right on this point. You're right, but you're still an idiot. Anya Poonani, whatever. Yeah, it's just like twos. I tell Tuse he's right all the time. Doesn't mean he's,

he's smart. He never says it. He never says it on the air, though. That's the problem. Go ahead. Jasmine. I'm having, like, and I hear you and I agree with you. And then also I'm having like a bit of a difficult time with it.

Just because like I've, I've worked in media for 11 years. I've met, I met Trudeau. I've met. I've actually never met saying I've met Pollyev more than once though um and I I feel like I've always gotten that sweet side to him on top of the spitfire when he needs to be and I feel like we did actually get a little bit of both the the the feisty side probably wasn't as much as we would have liked or as it should have been in ways that we all speculate it's been it could be helpful but

you know to to call out his sweet side it's the side that I think anybody who's ever been to a of his has seen before where you can see him kind of come a little bit more down to earth and really just like talk to you the person, which I felt like he did a lot tonight and that was that was winning, in my opinion. But then you did also see him kind of go at Carney quite a bit there, you know, like, oh, what? Are you trying to say that the, that, you know, the liberal party was lying about about what your role was with them? Because you're on their website. You should, you should get the website changed, by the way, because you're still listed as financial advisor. Like, he had those moments today where he was going off a bit and I felt like it was good and beneficial.

I think overall, honestly, my biggest frustration with all of this is not Pierre Pollyev and the performance, I guess, that he gave today, his part in it. It's more so just like Canadian politics. Like I'm actually so irritated by what the rhetoric and narratives have done to our country and our inability and like the fact that we even have to question this and talk about this for so long and it's like it's not a fault of the person it's a fault of the system that has been created to protect the establishment that is the biggest problem here in in my opinion and and that's what i'm more frustrated by than anything else it's annoying as all hell that i'm sitting here talking about like oh well i think he was sweet but not too sweet and he had his moments just because you know the cbc and

how all of there are going to be the liberals he has to attract grandma grandpa yeah like that is annoying to me because in reality, Pierre Polyev, who he is as a human, who he has shown us to be for so many years is good. Like, he is good. He's on the right track. He's been consistent. He's somebody that I absolutely put my faith behind and I'm annoyed by the establishment and the narratives and having to like placate and be complacent so that you can fit into whatever help bubble it is that they want you to be in before they go and rip you to shreds. And I mean that even, you know, on a political level, but even just on a personal level on social media and shit. Like it is so irritating to me the hold that the view of the establishment has

and how much it has just completely polluted the brains of so many people in this country. We know how to break that. Well, I mean, listen, if you really want to go far back. Shock therapy? No, no, hold on. Lomies. It has been documented that mass hysteria does happen. I mean, it does happen.

The Netherlands. Nazi Germany is a perfect example of what it means to capture the minds of everyone. Now, here's where I'm going to go a little bit rough shot on myself and every other Canadian. It's on us that we let our guard downs before COVID. Before COVID, I didn't know who any of you were. And I didn't care about any of you. I mean, if we would have met, it would have been nice to, but I didn't care to look for you. I didn't care to, you know, talk about politics or anything.

So let's all be honest here. Pre-COVID, nobody really gave, the majority of people didn't care. It's until everything started coming one after the other, government overreach became exposed. Yeah. That what also got exposed is the amount of mental laziness Canadians have in general and a lack of critical thinking. people that used to vote liberal to them, it was no different than conservative. Let's be honest.

If we go before COVID, I'm going to ask everyone here. Before COVID, did you really know the difference in policies between conservatives and liberals? Yes. I mean, you may have known the history. Would you have known? Not as much. No, I wouldn't say I was uninitiated.

Okay. You already know that I didn't give it two craps about. No, but I'm talking about not the people like that, no. So I believe you, Jasmine. I believe you twos. I believe you, Clyde. But let's be honest. The majority of Canadians, did they know the difference?

Hey? No, no, I believe you too. I believe you, glad. Believe you, Jasmine. Terry God. I believe you. I believe you, Mark Carney.

I believe you, Jagmeet Singh. And that's everybody I believe. You know what? This is the last time I'm coming on your damn show. There's no point. There's no point. I don't believe you.

I don't believe me. I'm a Quebecer. I hear it every day. Listen, all I'm saying is, let's be honest, Canada is socialist. This is why guys like the TVD podcasts don't understand this. This is why American podcasters don't know this. American, the ethos of America is rebellious. It's already rebellious.

Forget that it was built on like the Constitution, the Republic, everything. Here, we're under a crown and everybody is on welfare and everyone just gets fed by, I mean, in a way, it's like Mazur, Russia. but like we have Mazur Canada and nobody wants to fend for themselves they want the government to take care of them we've been fed like this for 50 years should we then really be shocked when Pierre is trying to speak up

that he's not going to win COVID exposed the laziness of most people as to how much you didn't know you can go to Northern Perspective you can go to Clyde do something you can go to Jasmine Lane and you'll finally get to see the BS that's been hiding under

all this. And Deshawn in the mashup. Yes, dudes. Thank you. I'm waiting for I'm like, do I got Justin Trudeau on here? He's not going to mention Alberta again. This is unbelievable. Listen, everyone on here and others are legit exposing

what has always been there. And the onus is on us. If we vote in a fourth liberal government, which to me is very unlikely, is going to basically be on us. It is the, it is not on the politicians. It's not on us spreading the word, the laziness of people. Ask yourselves, and this, I'll end on this. Why is it that everyone on

this panel and others that you've had on Tews and Sean and all of you that have had people on your show, how is it that they're informed and that the majority of people aren't informed? What caused people like you to want to be informed? So people can get informed. They just choose not to. We were walking around Montreal with me and Zoltan Before we had lunch that day And we were asking Quebecers Do you know who the prime ministers Most of them said no

Like imagine that's in Quebec Do you know the name of the prime minister Some said Justin Trudeau Okay So just to let you know Most people are so disconnected That's on us And that's what breaks my heart

They literally moved a national debate Because of a hockey game Like that's where we're at In our country I want to point this out because this is a new new high for me in twos, 12,000 people watching right now, which is simultaneous.

That's not how many people have tuned in tonight. That's how many people are watching right now, right now. Which is super cool. I didn't know you guys were famous. That's cool. Most of them are watching you, Jasmine. Yeah.

Oh, I mean, it's the help of everybody on here. But when we did the Carney Coronation live stream, we had 11,000. So this is a new high watermarked. I think we have more M.C., but maybe I was wrong. So don't forget. everyone who's viewing right now that this is this is a this is a preamble for the actual election day

election day coverage is going to be a big day so 12 12 hour live stream and it's going to be on the mashup but it'll also be published on my channel on youtube so that's right you're if you're a subscriber to my channel it'll be starting right at 11 p.m. or 11 a.m. Pacific time so whatever that time is in the region that you're you're at. tune in for that or better yet subscribe to the channel hit that notification bell and you get a notification when it happens and also i'd like to point out that it isn't just going to be us just chin wagging the whole time we have the map we're the only people in the history of canada other than cbc tv and global to have ever had the map for an election and we'll continue

that tradition for the federal one so that live update map where you see the results as they come in from elections Canada. We got it. We're the only people who do it. Do we want to, before we end tonight, do we want to show the video of what went on in the, like, obviously?

Yeah. Can you bring that up? Because Zoltan put out one and then he retweeted Keem Bexty. That might be interesting because yesterday with the French debate, what interested me the most, other than Vesper's live analysis, what was going on. Was the questions asked by like Zoltan,

Bexty, and read on and on and on and on it went twos you got it okay four minute video i have no idea how much of it's dead air let's go with it and vesper mute yourself and things get homerotic slash because of your cause of liability also the dudes are being kind of homophobic that do you have friends that get pretty homophobic at times you know most of my gay friends Most of your gay friends. Do you know how much, do you know how fast? What was it?

You say. He said, yeah. Is it fagotization? Yeah, yeah. That's run through my gay friends like wildfire. They love that. They love it. They love faggotization.

He's got the mustache for it. So Ryan turned. You in this voice doesn't actually. So Ryan turned, no, I'm not, I'm curious. Do you just think that politicians should be off the hook for saying stuff like this? 15 years ago? How long ago? He was 30. Yeah, okay.

Sorry, who are you? He wasn't a politician, so he was, this is when he was. He was a 30-year-old man. Okay. Who called gay men perverse? Yeah, I think I'm, I've read through your story, and I know you don't even believe that that's what he said. Oh, I 100% because I read it. I read it. I read it too.

And you're, I mean, you don't have any sort of morals or scruples. Okay. So you just throw it wherever you want. But I read it. And I know you're actually smarter than you're pretty. pretend to me so I know you know what he said. So he typed the words on Facebook, perverse faggotization, referring to gay men. No, just calm down for a second.

No, I know, but I want you to be honest. So he said perverse faggotization referring to homosexual men and you think that that's an acceptable type of language for politicians to use. He wasn't a politician. No, that wasn't the only thing that he said. He said a lot. He said a lot of extremely homophobic stuff. And just because he's a liberal, you're trying to defend him.

If this was a conservative... Okay, so if it was a conservative, he would call for him to be removed like erring gunn't said something like that and if you could point to them doing that please let me know the voice doesn't work crazy that you're getting so emotional about this though and how many of your friends how many of your friends drop efflers just frequently i have respect for the industry and the profession sure you do yeah your little chattering class sure you sorry party advertisers who are you who do you work for rebel news who do you work for who do you work for Rebel News owned by Ezra Levann is a different company.

Why are you screaming? Why are you screaming, by the way? Well, I want to make sure the guys filming it over there gets a good audio. Good. Do you hear me okay? Am I enunciating properly? Do you want, you have one set up? You got the levels ready for me?

Because you're clearly not doing any actual journalism while you do. You're supposed to maintain. This is journalism recording this. why when you guys started gaming the rules and threatening to sue because he didn't get your way, I assumed the rules were out the window. No, it's right here in black and white. We follow the rule. Oh.

Was that like when it was in black and white saying you should only have one reporter credited so that everyone might have a chance to ask a question. But instead, you wanted to take, what was it, two minute long questions so that Polly have only got asked three questions. He usually allows four because things move a little bit quicker at his press conference. You guys are so verbose, I'll say. Most of us didn't get a question. And what I really don't enjoy is that everyone else here was being respectful, following the rules, just being considerate to everyone else. And what you guys decided to do was to take advantage, threaten to sue, so that you could try to get more than everyone else.

And now, nobody likes you. I read, yeah, after you guys threatened to sue so that you could, that's why they got the four questions, because the commission, when did the CBC get four questions? Yes, after they had already folded to you because you threatened to sue. Zoltan has another video two's from a different angle. I mean, it's five minutes long. It's right there. Yeah, it's right there. And who is this guy?

He's from the Hill Times? No idea. It sounds like he's upset that. No, this guy's from the Hill Times. He's upset that he's upset that he's upset that independents have used the gaming of the system to game the system for themselves so that they could get airtime. They're there. They have the exact same rules as everybody else. Well, that's the thing.

So they're upset that they lost in the gaming of the system. So they changed a bunch of rules and then independents figured out what the rules are and went, hey we're going to figure it out and get ourselves on the stage but this guy at the whole times is now going to be subject to liable because he's accusing them publicly that they sued the to get those four questions but he's demonstrating that's a ezra is saying that's a flat out lie we just accredited more people and they're allowed to do that and no no no you're not there's a lawsuit all right real quick though um one of the last things that happened before that first video out was the dude came from a row up with the camera.

I scrolled ahead to roughly that spot. So I think we could watch this for another two and a half minutes and see what else happens. Because I mean, if it exploded where there's a fight, we should watch. I'm not. Don't you have a third party advertising truck to go take care of? How much have you spent on third party advertising this election between Between Rebel News and for Canada companies you own both of, how much money have you spent to influence this election? I'm assuming in favor of the conservative.

How much have you spent? You're a journalist. You must be honest. So Rebel News Limited. You're a liar. You haven't been home. You're making things out. This is so unbecoming.

Oh, this is just like. Jagby's Singh is a lot. the worst thing to happen in the debate anymore. Oof. Both of those companies. He has third party advertising. Like Giverr, I know we're not explaining it, but we're just discovering it, so we don't know what's happening. I just like, I don't understand how you get to this point.

Like I've never, and I've been in so many different media, press conferences, media rooms exactly like this. And I just, how do you even get to this point? Well, you eat your own tinfoil hat enough. By the way, jazz. Javelin Blue, thank you so much for the donation. I really appreciate that. That's amazing. You're completely out of control emotion.

And your facts are completely wrong. You're an embarrassment. What's your name? What's your name? You suddenly shied. Suddenly shied when you went quiet. What did tell us who you are? Tough guy.

Stuart Benson Hill Times. Student Benson Hill Times. Well, you're a disgrace to the Hilltides. And your facts are wrong. He's a disgrace to mustaches. Actually, here's the thing. No, I like his mustache. He rocks it.

We'll give him that much. I mustash, what the hell you're thinking. I'm just got to control your emotions. I'm with Angela Cordoso saying I feel bad for the guy in the suit next to him, just trying to mind his own business. The black dude behind him just looks embarrassed to be there. Yeah. Is he giving out his mailing a shirt?

And the camera guy's out there snapping pictures of Ezra. Why not the other guy? Because he's ugly. No, you just, you don't understand, you don't even understand what you're looking at. What work are you doing? With nothing in front of you. Oh! There's really, you catch no work you're doing.

There's nothing in front of you. I think it's because he doesn't have a laptop or he's just sitting there with you know, you know what's really false. It took about 10 minutes before somebody decided to walk up them and say, hey, dude, are you going to check yourself? You're about to wreck yourself. And he wrecked himself, then they checked himself. That makes no sense. Like, you know, none of this matters.

Wait, so there's no actual confrontation. They called it all off because of this guy. Because of that? No, no, no. I read that an actual fist fight broke out. Okay. But there was every camera. You're in a room full of journalists.

everybody would have a video wouldn't they? Why isn't it there? Is Rachel Gilmore there? Hey two, should we bring Zoltan on tomorrow's mashup? Talk about it? You're damn right, we should. All right. I want to see if I can

get him. I don't know. I'm on Stuart Benson's ex right now and so he was actually already complaining about this like way earlier in the day. So obviously, he was quite upset, but like eight hours ago, he's posting about, he's posting about how Rebel News and other independents were able to get more questions.

Allegedly, he actually just posted this. He said, mostly they threatened to sue unless the commission allowed them to game this system and send five times the number of reporters so that they could try to crowd out anyone else with scruples. Is that how you say that word? Whatever. And respect for an important democratic exercise. So already hours ago, way before this even happened, there is, he was upset about this, which I just don't, I don't know. I don't quite understand it if I can be like I, again, I don't, why do you care? You got your questions. Great. The answer is what Clyde said before. Don't spend any money.

Just say something provocative and let your enemies just make you popular. Real quick. Just when we're talking about this guy, we should all be aware. that the pronouns in his bio are he him. Oh, yeah. Sorry, I might have mistaken that and got hauled before a tribunal. But that's BS that they canceled the questions after. Something tells me that they probably knew that Rebel was,

because if you guys watched the questions that Rebel got a chance to ask yesterday, they were on point. Yeah, and the first one, Carney basically, and I don't know if you guys saw it. Cardi said there's only two sexes. Meanwhile, is it his son or is his daughter? That was true Norse question. That was Alex Zoltan.

So Zoltan asked that question. And then that kind of opened the floodgate because his second question was about women's safe spaces in sports, bathrooms and so on and so forth. And he fumbled, right, Jasmine? He fumbled for like, I think, 30 seconds. Well, we do respect

all Canadians. Well, at least it's continuing the liberal tradition. Guys, I have to say this, and this might be really unpopular. I'm sorry, but I'm creeping Stuart Benson now, and I like his mustache. He's got a good, it's thick, it's a good stash. I respect a good stash. I just, I'm giving him that. That's it.

You just made this very awkward. She also was talking about windmailing earlier, so I'm like, you know. You know? I feel like. I feel like his windmill doesn't kill as many birds as the average one does. I thought you were going to stay as mine. And I was going to, I was like, thank you. What an honor.

The very best mustaches are attached to beards. I just want to say that. No, because that's not a must. Oh, right. Shut up. Oh, great. But then any. Yeah.

Come on, Clyde. Seriously, now of all the times, it's supposed to be an election debate. You know what, though? I feel like this, this shows a lot. lot and it's a it's a great reflection of just the division in the country um and and just how on edge so many people are like the fact that you're you're sitting there in the media room doing your live tweeting doing your whatever the shit while you're there and something like this gets brought up and happens i wish that there was an earlier i know that we don't have it but like i'm very

curious of the context that led up to this to begin with versus like you know obviously he started filming after things started to get heated because i'm sure it was unexpected um but i'd be very curious as to how that even came about anyway. Why did they even start talking to each other and having that back and forth? Because because Keen-Bekstee love him or hate him, Keen-Bexty is a provocateur

extraordinary. He is. He is basically the James O'Keefe of Canada. He knows that it's their stuff up. Fewer Tinder dates, but yes. Yeah. Whatever, man. The point is he starts stuff and he gets in trouble and he doesn't

care about going into places and making it awkward. He brought up a good point about Turnbull. I will agree with the Hill Times guy, though. The guy was like, this was like 20 years ago. You want to dig it up on this guy and now ask him that question. Okay. But it's a motion. I'm going to push back on you because if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

Because if you're going to cancel every possible conservative for any random like tweet or whatever else, you better be doing the same for the liberals or you're a hypocrite. And the only way that cancel culture is ever going to stop. is when both sides are like there has just been way too much blood. Way too much blood. We're going to just, everybody just needs to back away from this weapon of construction forever. There's a hierarchy of scandal. Blackface is at the top, okay?

Blackface two times is at the double top. And where does $16 orange juice fit into this with talking about fagging or version? Very low. Is it higher than faggatory? No, it's a double standard. But of course, this is my spectrum. Come on.

You can give Vesper credit here. He found a reporter, got his emotion to cloud, and he lost his shit. That's what happened. And they filmed it. And now he got Ezra sitting there filming it. Everybody's filming it.

Zoltan's filming it. You're like, this is a guy losing his crap. This is about to go absolutely to the nth degree online, which it has already. And that's what happens. I was expecting this, though.

I was in, oh, sorry, I was just going to say this is going to be the Canadian version of that woman in the reflective vest screaming in the street when Trump won. Guys, I have, who is it? Can I send a link and can we play it? It's relevant, I swear. DM me. Yeah. So on what? Can I do it in the chat thingy on here?

Yeah. Yes, you can. Hold on. Can I ask you, are you guys getting super chats and stuff? Because I'm getting a bunch of people telling me that they've been super chatting. Do you guys? No, I'm poor. on this?

I see, I see, why I want to, I see Javlin Blue for Clyde. I can pull that up. I saw like three super chats this whole night.

Yeah, there was no, no comment, but Javan, uh, Javelin blue left a $100 super chat. Thank you. Whoa.

Three. Really, really appreciate that. Thank you. Um, and then somebody said to Jasmine, I think it was like a buy me a coffee thing or something like that. Oh,

okay. $25 bucks. I didn't. But that's very kind Here's video I wanted to throw this in before you get to that So I assume that this was going to happen So yesterday

I think a lot of people shot their shot And the French debate Where let's just be face it Nobody's watching French anything Like actually if you look It's like viewership In the YouTube viewership More people were watching that French debate

Yeah dude Clyde I had almost 3,600 people watching it on X yesterday Okay, anyway This No, not anyway I had 30% people That's why I say

Who is the biggest winner of yesterday? It was best for Dita Fantastic job You've been fantastic job Not no no No no Let's let's say His shot

All right Nationwide yes A lot of the people That are paying attention to this stuff on social media We're paying attention to that But we're talking about Just general audience

In Canada throughout Canada, Quebecers watch that. The rest of Canada is largely not watching that. And a lot of people shot their shot on in the opportunity, whatever, just live with that. Dude, I had 300 people from Quebec watching it. That's it. Gotcha. Okay.

That's not the point of the conversation here. So the point is, is that the questions afterwards, the questions afterwards, this would have been the biggest moment after the English debates to have people ask the questions of the candidates. I saw it yesterday and I was thinking they're going to cancel this. It's not going to happen tomorrow. This was their emergency. They're going to find whatever excuse to make it not happen.

If there was punches from, we'd have video of it. Would we not? Oh, yeah. We would have it. But yeah. Like Zolt Pamp would have it or somebody would have it. Nobody's got it, which means it didn't happen. This is their emergencies act.

Yeah. They shut this down before it could trample them. But okay, so this video Jasmine sent. I don't know what's going on. I see Rosie Barton and David Cochran can't tell them apart, but let's go with it. Just so people understand, there are a series of police officers

stationed behind us to make sure that we remain safe and that the media... Nobody even knows you're there. They were not altercations between journalists inside the media room, and there was no altercation between journalists that happened on David's set. These were right-wing people that publish their own

agenda and websites. who the left wing guy was freaking out inside the media center who confronted David on and then this becomes the story. And then personally confronted me inside the media center. These are people that the commission decided to accredit. And that is where we are now. The situation deteriorated quickly in terms of how those people were behaving inside a professional media center where you were supposed to be doing your job.

and that has left us with no scrums and a strange security situation on a night where we should be focused on the things that you want to ask us about. It certainly didn't look like this last night. Just one point on that. We are inside a secure perimeter. You have to go through screening processes. Wait, wait. He's going to pretend they don't fit later. Let's be honest about that.

What were you stopping us for? Wait, wait, 20 minutes ago, Rebel posted about this and has footage. Yeah, but they're counting, they're counting on people not watching it. Like, this is such a sci-op. Hold on, I time-stamped this. No, no, hold on. I timestamp this for you. I'm dropping it right now in our chat if you want to share it after this.

Okay, well, let's finish this. Just hit play for Pete's sake. I'm sniffing dogs. Search stuff bags to make sure everything was safe. Bomb sniffing dogs. Leaders are safe and everybody in here is safe. We can't afford to make bombs in Canada. We're broke.

The way this evolved today and yesterday, the Montreal police are here putting up caution tape, escorting people out. And the leaders of Canada's four parties who were able to participate in this debate, because they, what was the phrase, didn't feel they could provide or guarantee a proper environment. They're not going to take questions from journalists. And look, I know not everybody thinks is all about us, but it is an important. part of the ritual of elections and democracies and accountability. And it is part of the stress test that these leaders go through as they seek to lead this

country, you know, and spend your tax revenue and make laws and some serious things being discussed there tonight about criminal justice and using the notwithstanding clause. These are all things that require a serious and mature debate, not financially motivated stunts. And this is where we've ended up in this election. With everything going on with Donald Trump and everything going on in this economy and everything going on in the world. This is where the national Canadian election debate has ended up. This is the most potentially dishonest coverage. And it's been it is the end product of multiple years of rage for narrow political gain and financial benefit for a very small group of people.

He's in so bad. I have something to say. I have something to say here that I think honestly kind of points back to my earlier statement where I said about Pierre Polyev and how he was tonight. you know, making sure you're safe, whatever. I don't know if that's intentional, probably is, because the media is going to try their best to get you on absolutely anything. Pierre Pollyev does a good job tonight. They got nothing to get them on. And look what happens.

And look at how much they're blowing this up because they have nothing else to blow up. But they need to smear the guy. They need to smear conservatives and look at what has happened. So I am vindicated. She has a point. She does not wrong. What's the other video? What's the other video?

I want to hear you say it. He only does want to know. He's got a limit. All right. Okay. Vesper, this video is eight minutes and 12 seconds long. No,

no, I time stamped it to where you see back behind the scene stuff. Okay. It didn't do a time stamp. I want to know the details. It didn't do a timestamp. Don't hang it on here.

Not the first one. It's the second one. So if you click the second link, it starts at that. time. By the way, Cricky, thank you so much for the tip. And it says Clyde, love this. Here's some cash in Florida. It starts in the U.S. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Well, just tell me how long to scroll ahead to. Yeah, no, no, I'll tell you where to go to. Give me a second. Yeah, I know how to get there. Yes, I know that. About two minutes, 50 seconds. Okay. And how much of it am I showing?

Just play it. I haven't watched it. I just saw it and it showed up in my, the thing that I send that gets me this stuff. They're treating us like absolute pariah. Now, Alexa, Giong, or sorry, Gionm's behind the camera, Alexa Lincoln and Alexa Lincoln David, they went outside. And Lincoln calls me and tells me that he's been assaulted. The team has been assaulted out there. Again, this place is wriggling with the journalists. No one, no one will have. Riggling. Nice terminology. Offs everywhere. Why are my guys getting manhandled out there? They're not allowed that. All their stuff is in here. We're separated from each other. It's absolute chaos.

And the journalists in here are the true victims. We've been subject to their bad behavior the whole time. And they're blaming us because the Debates Commission doesn't have the bravery to uphold journalistic freedom when differing opinions are in the room. Well, and that's what I think it all boils down to, is that we had a team there prepared, ready, acting professional, looking the professional when some of these, the counterparts were looking, you know, like street people adjacent. And then the entire legacy media and laptop class had a complete meltdown over the fact that we were there asking. some questions. It is absolute insanity that this is the state of the media landscape here in Canada. And we at Rebel News are allowed 15 minutes every four years to do this because the press gallery,

the parliamentary press gallery, keeps us out. So they couldn't even tolerate this. They couldn't even keep their good manners for 15 minutes. By the way, here's a video with Ezra being talked. about in the next one the next video i just sent you is the one where esra you could see him at more like as like people are walking around him and everything you should play that Thanks a lot. I want to hear what he said. Back up, back up more. Kean just asked Ezra something. At heart to heart of Mr. Corbyn.

And I think we found common ground. Kean missed it too. I don't know what is. Yesterday, I think the independent journalists were a little bit too independent. And the regime journalists are too friendly with the regime. And I've seen a full port press by raising. journalists over the last 24 hours to bring in limits to what independent journalists can do. You mean third-party advertisers as well?

Can you talk about $180,000 in spending to do advertising voter contact both through 4 Canada and into rebel news network limited? See you wrong on that and that's what concerns me is that for Canada is a different group that was registered. It made $120,000 to relevant news network limited is that not true? You're getting your facts wrong, Justin. I want to make sure you're casting. We were actually talking about the CBC who want us out of you.

The CBC want us kicked out. We're not leaving. The CBC will outrage that Mr. Cormon let us in. The CBC had four questions yesterday. The CBC thinks that's normal and it's abnormal and it's abnormal. it was talking to you about your recommendation questions or was it about the internet it was about neither it was actually about

what is interesting the ball down in the cbc maybe talk the one that we just saw kicked down i ain't leaving um carcman's really thin skin talk to with me i invited her to challenge if she applied but that had nothing to do anyways i want to get back to the jury to the journalism here but it's a pleasure to be in the center of the attention. I want to give a shout

out to my fellow independent journalist, Keene Bexton, proud alumnus, I'm not associated with us, but I admire his independence and I would like to encourage everyone who's watching. You can be a journalist. If you've got a phone, you're a journalist. If you've got a Facebook page, you're a journalist. Yes it is, Judy. In fact, do you do you? I don't know, you're a government journalist. Every single one of you. They're fundraising, yeah. If you get the government subsidy, you're a government journalist.

Who do you work for certain? Canadian press gets massive grants from the government. No, no, it's an endmishism funding. You're literally wearing the loan year. Because I follow the literal. Not only your own media Advertisers that are supporting Only your own media can ask you questions.

All right. Don't run away. Don't you answer it. Don't run away. He ran away. He took the lanyard off. You see that when he's he walked away. I'm flattered.

You're literally to say this. I think that journalism needs to be democratized. And I think it's sort of creepy that the enemies of rebel news in the press gallery stop us from asking questions of politicians. 99% of the time. Once every four years, we're allowed to put a couple of questions to these high priests of politics. And there's a total freak out from the best gallery.

Like, seriously, it's like leave here. 15 minutes every four year season, we're allowed. Can you move your scrum now? We want to watch this. I don't know. Thanks very much. Okay. Thank you.

They're scrumbing Ezra. That's so funny. Like, they did it. It's not like. It's not like he made this happen. They did it. They made it happen. That's too funny.

But so let me explain a little bit. So what they were asking questions about, about this organization, third party organization that he put together. The last election cycle, Ezra Lervant, you wrote a book called the Libranos, and the liberals took them to court.

And they took the book off the shelves. They said, this is campaigning. And you're not allowed to do this. You have to be registered. as a registered thing. So what does Ezra Levant do this time? He registers a third party thing.

And he registers them. And then he brings them in. Because of that, he could get accredited and all this other stuff. And now they're complaining about that. It's like, well, like you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Either the guy didn't register and he's doing it wrong. Or he registers and he's doing it right. You know what I mean? Like you can't you can't say he did it wrong. They're pissed because they didn't get to have their questions. And there was way more accredited independence than there was, you know, government shills essentially. Somebody just posted on X, uh, Jogmeet Singh being questioned about why he was

interrupting everybody so much. Oh, nice. Oh, throw it, uh, throw it in the, um, throw it in the chat and I'll put it up. Sorry for interrupting. No, by all means, interrupt Clyde. Thanks for inviting me, Sean. You're welcome, Basker. Why are we looking at a Q-Tib?

Why are we looking at a Q-Tib? There's nothing he could say that would make this interesting. I can't even hear the guy. I'm not hearing anything. The second one, let's see. Scrappy guy, I want to fight for people. I'm a crappy guy. When I hear Mr. Paul Yev talking about housing, the guy built six homes when he had, when he was the housing minister, that's got to be called out.

You know, when Mr. Carney is talking about giving a tax break to millionaires because they're wealth creators, how is it? And they're the folks that they create wealth. Yeah, they sell stocks, selling stocks and not get you an advantage in the tax system. I think that's a problem. So things that don't sound right, the things that don't sit well with Canadians, I want to call them out. I'm ready for a debate. People can challenge me and push back on me. I'm ready to push back on people that say things that don't sit well with Canadians that are not true.

Okay, we've been going over four hours, folks. I know maybe three and a half for people. Any final thoughts on the night? You know, we started out with it's kind of a dull thing. And then we talked for an hour about it. And then we got into the scrums and all the shenanigans going on with the media. And you go, somehow it wasn't that dull of a night. Like, you know, there's.

some ups and downs of it. Before we let everybody out of here, any final thoughts? Vesper, do you want to start, or do you want me to go ladies first again? Of course. All right, Clyde. Okay, yeah, give it to the guy

who's been right for about a couple of months here. That's fine. I've been saying the same thing, too, Clyde. Okay, fair enough. Now you guys can go on a date, okay? Are you happy? Oh, matchmaker. We'll catch you up.

We'll bring you on. As far as just a little, real. He's a little fridge. No problem. No problem. Yeah, I'm happy to, I'm happy to jump in here. So again, this is a bit of a summary of what I thought before. I think Pierre won the debate.

I honestly believe that. But I think it wasn't Pierre that won the debate. I think it was the ideas that won the debate. I think it was the legacy of the liberals and what they've done to the country. over 10 years that won the debate. I think it was the fact that Jugmeet Singh is a sellout, and he showed himself to be that throughout this debate, throughout the past 10 years to be that that won the debate.

Blanchet came out very strong, very strong, very likable guy. Let's just be honest about that. Even though I don't like the idea that, like, of Quebec separatization, separate separate but not not actually separating i think they should fight for that and just keep fighting for that nonetheless i think he's a very likable guy i think he said a lot of great things that were definitely for quebec in particular but they they they were at least at least he's actually standing up for his people that's something that's more refreshing i'd like to see more of that kind of politician in Canada, but maybe perhaps broadly across the board or at least

with the other provinces. But yeah, I think that the ideas of Pierre won the debate and it was in spite of Pierre's performance in the debate. I think Pierre could have come out much stronger if he would have listened less to his PR team and be less PR-Poliev. Today we saw Somber Polyev. That's not Pierre Polyev. That's a made-up.

persona that they've they've thrown out there in order to garner more votes from particular demographics. I don't know if that's going to work. I hope it does because I want to see those politics come to power in Canada rather than what we've had a lot of over the past decade. And I think I think right now we're just we're at a point where we're sitting here waiting now after this showing to see if it paid off and if Canada will go in the right direction. So that's that's kind of my summary of this one. Casman. I actually feel like the summary for me at the moment, on top of kind of agreeing with pretty well everything that my pal Clyde had to say. I just got a super chat from Brian on YouTube

who said, this rebel news thing is honestly the only thing anyone's talking about it took away from the whole debate. And I agree. And I wonder how intentional that was or if that was just very opportunistic timing. Given the state of Canadian politics right now, the lengths that we have already seen people go in order to create a narrative, shift narrative, omit details, all of that stuff. It would not surprise me if that was intentional. My heart wants to believe that it's not.

But, I mean, let's be real here. Who knows? I, yeah, I don't know. That's about it. I'm actually kind of disappointed by all of that very unbecoming. And more than anything, actually, I'm very excited to hear what my grandfather had to say about everything, because he is a loyal CBCer, but he also hates Mark Carney, despite the fact that he's loyal liberal as well. So that'll be entertaining. And yeah, I don't know. It's been a long night. My McDonald's is cold. Thank you guys for having me on, though. We should do this again sometime. Yeah, thanks for being here.

Vesper and feel free folks if you get if you got a hop out Jasmine you just give her but Vesper final thoughts. All of you suck and every single one of you but mostly Clyde. I just wanted to say that. Clyde and I go way back ever since he ruined one of my best pieces of art by drawing with a Sharpie on it and he made it look better. And ever since then, I've never liked him. So my take, to be honest with you, I think all of you summarized it really well, especially your super chat.

I want to also just take a minute, and I've been reading a lot of the comments that have been pouring through. Thank you to everybody that's just watched this. It's been sometimes very boring and sometimes very funny, but thank you for sticking with us and the mashup and Clyde and Jasmine. I think from my point of view, today was a, it wasn't a win. It was a, this is what you're going to get and what we've been hearing for the last six months. I'm, I'm a bit disappointed in today, but not yesterday. I'm disappointed in the fact that the conservatives are neutering their message and they didn't really get that crescendo that they could have gotten. I could care less about everyone else.

Carney, as far as I'm concerned, things are only going to ratchet up more and more. The CBC pulled a really ugly move today by, like you said, Jasmine, with your Super Chat, by casting shade over the entire debate. And I think that's purposeful because the way that Carney ended that entire Encyclope thing, it would probably be better to throw everything back into the past. And now let's fix it on something else, which is more sensational. I hope Canadians, if you're listening to me, that you do not fall for simply sensationalist, tabloidist type of rhetoric that you keep in mind today and what was said. The only person that is going to stand up for the middle class is Pierre.

And everybody else is just out for their own either, whether it be sovereignty agendas or their own pocketbooks or self, special interests. So being with all of you has been a pleasure Being on a panel like this has been super fun And you guys always make it fun Sean and twos And thank you for bringing me with the team With Clyde and Jasmine All the best to all of you And all the best to Canada

And if any of you want to follow me You guys see my moniker down here It's at Vespa Digital And I try to put out as much funny media And dig up stuff as much as I can So thank you for having me Yeah we appreciate you all you guys hopping on and teaming up with us and building this kind of like, you know, weird.

I don't know. It's awesome. Because all we did was watch. Yeah, we just watch. It feels like summer swim. It's like summer. The only criticism we got from people texting me and people in the chat is talking over the actual debate.

That's the only criticism we got. And sometimes, folks, you know, it's like I can try and rain two's in, but two's going to do two things. That's what twos does. Right. So like, yeah, yeah, I'm pointing to you. We're all guilty of it. We're all guilty of it.

We're all guilty of it. to take this opportunity to do a two's thing. He's got a couple of thoughts that didn't quite get. Tews, would you like to go full Tews for a couple minutes to end this off? Okay. So the important point, that being said, folks,

so we're going to get in there. Is that what you did for Julian? Bam, bam. I am. Well played, Sean. You know? Well played. Just feels so good. Well, okay. All right, Tuz. Carrier. Oh, hey guys.

Thanks for having. me back on the show. You're lucky. You at least got to come back. Julian did not. I missed that. I was taking a number one. But the biggest thing about tonight is this symbiotic relationship between the liberals and the media.

Because the liberals, like the Toronto Star and the CBC, have been hammering or trying to hammer the point home that Pollyev won't get his security clearance. And the TSN turning point of the debate was when. And Carney said, oh, well, what the heck is up with this? You won't get your security clearance. And it inadvertently handed him a layup. But the thing about it is, is that he genuinely thought and his team genuinely thought going into this, that this was going to be a gotcha moment.

That it was going to be his offshore tax haven, $250 million loan from China moment for Pollyev. Because they only talk to each other. They only listen to each other. and it's this closed ecosystem where common sense went extinct with a meteorite 65 million years ago. And now they're in a situation where they don't actually understand what's happening in the shattered remnants of this country. And because of it, they accidentally handed Polyev the wind tonight. And then in a giant effort to stifle any sort of common sense conversation. and say what you want.

This whole thing tonight was set up to take the tiniest excuse to shut it all down so that Rebel and Juno and anybody else who was there were not able to ask fair questions to bad people. And that's the only reason why this happened the way it did. And they're eating their own tail in this. And I'm here for every second of it. And I hope people recognize. that this is not a good situation and that we do need to get rid of this having the government

pay the mortgage and pay the car payments for our legacy media that has no idea what's happening. Look at how intentionally dishonest the CBC coverage of that event was when, you know, as as Vesper said, the timestamps are out there. They, I guarantee you, were able to watch that. video and still even after then they were intentionally misrepresenting it assuming that people were never going to go back or their people anyway we're never going to go back and actually see what actually happened and we need more people who actually want to ban X.

Yeah exactly yet. You know, if I may before we hop out of here, Tuesday, I assume would probably be the only one that remembers this. When Daniel Smith was running for the UCP in that first leadership, race. They had the debate before the one I hosted in Bermillion. They all kept attacking Daniel Smith. And I remember thinking, why are they doing that? Like, do they realize what their message? And they kept walking into, you know, like the rake like tonight, right? Like Carney probably thought Pierre's not going to have a good

answer for this. And then he's like, whack. Oh, that hurt. And in the first debate with Daniel Smith and the other six candidates running for the UCP, this is back, what, 2022? They did that tour over and over and over and over again. And she got to jam the, ball like literally over and over and over again. And so when we got to the second debate, which I hosted, I suspect that was going to be Daniel Smith. And I got a completely different Daniel Smith on stage where she didn't say anything. She just actually was cool as a cucumber because she didn't need to say Jack squat because she'd done so well in the first one. And to me, the carney thing tonight about walking into the rake, right? The question that we're all talking

about like that's what it reminded me of back when daniel first started running it's like they hadn't done their homework they had no idea what they're up against because of what you're talking about too is the the the echo chamber of their own circle i agree with that actually a lot either way folks this has been a lot of fun in absolutely appreciate you all coming on as clyde pointed out earlier we got a 12-hour live stream coming on election day and we're going to have guests from all across canada that is going to be a ton of freaking fun I got to mentally get my brain ready for it. I've done 12 hours before, not on the SMP with a local charity.

We did 12 hours. 12 hours is a long day. And we're going to have to gear up for that one. Either way, April 28th, look out for us. We'll be there. We're looking for energy drink sponsors. Yeah, all day, all day. I'm going to switch from decaf on that day.

But I appreciate everybody hopping in tonight. Thank you to the 13,000 plus 13. Almost, well, getting close to 14,000. Yeah, yeah, it's continue going up. That's super cool. I appreciate it. Just on my channel alone, there is, there's 11,000 people watched. So, this is simultaneous.

This is simultaneous right now. Yeah, concurrent. We've got so many people. Yeah. Honestly, this feels like a summer slam. Like where you built five people on a team that's going to go up against like another team. If you guys know what summer slam is. Well, I don't know about dream.

You have me. but so you're on our dream team Vesper oh hey also just a very friendly

reminder to everybody watching right now advance polls open up tomorrow baby that's right that is right

yes so if you're living east of Manitoba you have a chance to make your vote count folks folks until until, well, actually, me and two

is got to be back at this tomorrow morning. So we're live at 10 a.m. Mountain Standard time. You're going to see a disheveled, John, and two's doing what twos always does to me. So if you're interested in that, hopping tomorrow morning. Either way, thanks for tuning in tonight. Gentlemen. Thanks a lot, everybody. It's been a lot of fun.

You know, I wish it would bother me, but this is just life on this end. I'm glad I got to do it once to twos. Okay, bye. Bye guys. Tell me whether I'm wrong or right. Easter west up or down side to side. I sit to stand and fall to fly.

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