Shaun Newman Podcast - Mashup: Mark Carney Coronation Livestream

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

222 Minutes hops on as we discuss the next Prime Minister of Canada. This is the full-livestream which aired Sunday March 9th and included appearances by: Marty Up North, Vesper, Drew Weatherhead, Kris Sims, David Knight Legg, Dustin Newman, Ken Rutherford, Brian Lilley, Nikolas Morianos, Brett Oland, Faisal Huda, Tom Bodrovics, Grant Abraham, Jim Sinclair and Leighton Grey. Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

Welcome to the MASHO Tell me whether I'm wrong or right Easter west up or down side to side I sit to stand and fall to fly Of all of my impulsive plans Popping locking salsa dances on demand I follow leading off the map I stop the chatter scream happily

Welcome to the Masha Welcome to the MASHup Welcome to the MASHup Welcome to the MASH up Welcome to the MASH up No two's rant today, okay? Man I love the guy folks

but he calls me 11.30 this morning. Welcome everybody to this live edition of a mashup special here. He calls me an 11.30 this morning while I'm on the bench coaching my daughter's team, helping coach my daughter's team. He's like, hey, we should do a live show. And, you know, I want to be really annoyed with him, which I am. But at the same time, I'm also like, he's right. And actually, it's his misses who's right.

It isn't twos. So twos, don't let me, don't you hear me right now saying you're right. Your misses is right. Mrs. Toos, wherever you're at, shout out to you for giving the push to do this. But the last like two and a half hours has been an absolute, absolute frantic sprint to the start line. Not the finish line, the start line, because the next little bit here is going to be all out, um, guests hopping on to discuss the liberal, uh, leadership race results and next prime minister, twos, this isn't you being right.

No, no, no, not at all. being right. Literally Mrs. 2's first thing this morning. She was like, I don't understand you. I don't get you. I'm like, okay. Well, that's, hey, that's, that's me on every single Friday. What are we talking about this morning? She's like, why aren't you on the phone with Sean right now trying to put together a live stream for the leadership thing tonight? And I said, well, because they're all virtually identical and nobody gives a shit.

And she's like, you covered the Ontario. provincial election and you think that that is somehow more relevant than this one? We did. We did cover that. And arguably, we had a ton of great feedback. That's why when you said it,

I didn't argue with you. I may have said some choice words. And I may be in a bit of the doghouse with the, my missus. Shut up to Mel. She is the best. But she was like, you know,

you're going to just go do it. So just go do it. I'm like, then I stood in this like, phone booth of like a two by two. I didn't move from my phone. I just sat there texting and texting. So we got two guys sit in the back room. We're going to bring them in here in 10 seconds, but we got a whole lineup today coming in as we learn more about who wins the liberal leadership race and, you know, gets coronated with the prime minister of Canada title here.

Spoiler alert, it's Mark Carney. Yeah, I think so. But we're going to bring in Vesper and Drew Weatherhead. So, boys, welcome in. Thanks for answering the call in a short, notice. Not only was it short notice for me, it was short notice for everyone who got the text. And appreciate you hopping on. Hey, happy to be here. Welcome, gentlemen. Hey, man. What's up, guys? Now, before we discuss anything, I just want to, for the person watching, make sure to, if you're on X, retweet it, share it, everything else. Appreciate you guys hopping on on an impromptu live stream. We got a whole list of people. Corey Morgan, Marty up north, going to be joining us later this hour. And then we got everybody from Layton Gray and Brian Lilly,

Grant, Abraham on and on and on and on the list goes. And we're going to have some fun today. Hopefully. I mean, it's going to be, I don't know, one way or another, we're going to know. Isn't this kind of the pain is in not knowing, at least now we're going to know at some point here today. Thoughts gentlemen? The pain is not not knowing. The pain is in the fact that they're still fucking in charge. But continue. I've got a lot of thoughts because I'm down here. here in the U.S. right now and trying to figure out what the hell is going on with Canada. And I still can't figure out what the hell is going on with Canada. It seems like, you know, we left the last time we came down here around October with Trudeau in

charge. And then there was this preroging of governments. And Singh was saying, once it comes back, we're going to boot him out no matter what. And then we come back and he's not going to boot him out. And it turns out that we're going to have like a, I don't know, some sort of survivor island version for the next prime minister that's internal, who the party nobody wants. And we're going to get some guy that everybody hates, that's some like a technocratic billionaire. And nobody really voted for this.

This is like, this is worse than the Kamala switch down in the U.S. in that it's not just some guy nobody asked for that's taking the lead. He's actually taking the lead. He doesn't even have to be voted for. Well, basically everything fell apart when you left. I'm not so sure.

I'm not so sure about his taking. Okay. What's that? I'm not so sure he's taking any lead. Dude, the Ipsos poll. I don't know if Drew knows this. The guy that's in charge of episodes, like on X was publicly saying, like,

we're not going to let Pierre Pauliev win. Like, there's a lot of skews with Poli. Oh, that was Eco. Or Eco's or whatever, sorry. But the point is, like, I had uncles worrying my uncles in, like, Jersey, New York. Hey, you think Kamala's going to win? I'm like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

You're following polls on Kamala Harris? Come on. Like, it's a joke. And, you know what? After he completely took it. At the end of the day, it's voters. At the end of the day, it's voters. In fact, I'd even say, and I don't know if Drew would agree in the rest of you,

Trump should have won that second term. I think it was completely rigged. And so in my mind, these polling things don't mean squat to me. At the end of the day, what matters is the voters. And you know what? If we go to the lowest resolution, it's actually really simple. Hey, things cost more. Hey, these are the liberals that are in government.

Liberals cost more. liberals cost more i don't want liberals this if this if you went down to the lowest IQ this is how people perceive things because we are in a space that is a bit of an echo chamber whether it be x or youtube but the vast majority of people like i don't know if you know this only 24% of canadian don't even know what he stands for so i i'm not worried about polls i really do think we're going to have an american moment this to me this to me is why this internal leadership party was so valuable as a strategic move for the liberals because nobody knew anybody but Trudeau and didn't want anybody, you know, they weren't going to vote for somebody on name value. So now they got some

name value because they're doing this sort of internal survivor reality show where nobody knew who this guy was. And now everybody not only knows his name, but knows his face. And now they're going to have like somebody that that they'll recognize on the ballot. And maybe they push that ballot as far as they possibly can. I heard sort of some sneaky whisperings about enactment of the Emergencies Act that could push into 2026 and just keep the celebrity train rolling on this guy. Do you know anything about that? He's not going to do it because he's not going to do Quebecois and the Quebecois will not let that happen because for you to do the pipeline to fight with Quebec, you're going to create

a big problem. He came to Quebec. I mean, Sean and Steve, you know this. No, no, no, no. We will not do the pipeline. Like to do this with Quebec, you are essentially bringing down a hailstorm on your entire thing. And besides, I don't know if you guys saw the latest tally of votes. Did you guys see how many people voted for Mark Carney?

Not very many. Lots of people. 150,000 out of 400,000. And 300,000 people became liberals in that last little window. Right. So only happened to me. We're talking about 0.003% of the entire population voted for this dude. And that should tell you more than we need to know.

Besides, polling has been on a downward trend in Canada anyways. And the fact that this guy is basically, I mean, I want people to know this. I don't know if you, because Tews and Sean, you know my thoughts on BlackRock. We've been talking the last few days. Did you know after he stepped down from the Bank of England that he had a vice chair for BlackRock on energy investment? Did you guys know that? No, but that's perfect. That's so a brand.

That's exactly the kind of person I want to see running the liberal party. Right. His focus, sustainability, climate advocacy. And there was a massive controversy because how can you be heading this and not have conflicts of interest, Karnie? This is ridiculous. Everything you're pushing is climate. All your portfolio is climate. And your head of Black Rock's particular department.

on energy and... Well, no wonder he got the endorsement from Stephen Gayballs. Okay, I kind of want to just pick your brain on this pipeline thing for a little bit. So I get the fact that the Quebec politicians, you got Blanchette and what's his fat face, the provincial guy, who'd be like... They go. They go. Lego is basically been saying these pipelines will not lay go through Quebec. Right.

And you're saying, you're saying that it would be political suicide for Carney to force them through. But does that mean that the politicians in Quebec are aligned with the will of the people? For the most part, Quebec is very, like, in terms of leadership, people forget that Legault used to be, had deep ties to the separatist party of Quebec, right? And you got to keep in mind, Quebec has something that I don't know if the rest of you know, We have an energy infrastructure here called Hydro-C-C-Bek. I'm sure you guys have heard of that. As somebody who's a big fan of equalization, yes, I have. Right.

So can you imagine our dependence on hydro electricity and now suddenly we're going to run a pipe through here and what that would do in terms of business? Quebec for the most part is one big racket on every industry. If there's a monopoly for the province on something, whether it be cigarettes, beer, whatever, they're always going to make sure that they're going to get the top dogs in whoever it is that's running all these things. They're not just going to let the rest of Canada make money off of this. No, what do we get out of it?

And it's negligible to them. And actually, they would lose money if we had a pipeline running through here. And they'll quote things like, oh, we had an oil spill. The cost-benefit analysis is not worth it. It doesn't make any sense for us to run a pipeline. So, yes, in short, to answer your question, yes. Their interests lie not in the rest of Canada. Eve Blanchette came out, and you can see this on my ex.

I literally have him on video saying, we are not interested in a big, beautiful Canada. We are interested in Quebec. That sounds very quibiquiqua. It doesn't sound like anything you wouldn't expect. Yep. That's totally on brand for them. It is legitimately interesting, though,

because I don't know, I feel like maybe it's just a Western Canadian thing, but it really feels like a lot of the time our politicians are completely out of sync with what the regular people want. And then to have it actually line up up nicely for you guys. Wow.

Look, I'm a little bit jealous. Before you say you guys, Quebec is not exactly. Well, you people, you guys. People have to understand Quebec itself. Like, it's probably the most European, it used to be, the most European feeling with the entire fascism on language, right? You can't come here without changing the name of your company to French. That's why so many companies are flexing out of Quebec.

But that's not even the issue. Carney is going to contend not with the Quebecois people. There are major investment firms that will not allow him to do the things he thinks he wants. People forget Legault went to Blanchette, the guy who's, I don't even know how the party Quebecois has status in the house, to be honest with you, but told him, we need to get Trudeau out. Why would, if Legault wanted Trudeau out, what do you think he's going to do with Trudeau 2.0? the same thing. We don't want this person.

His immigration, the whole thing was immigration. People forget Carney was part of this whole thing. He's advocated this in Europe as well, was pro-immigration, pro-climate, pro-ESG, pro-D-EI. And now that I've just told you, please look it up in 2020. It was part of BlackRock who pushed all of this stuff, right? And so for all the Canadians watching West, East, it don't matter. you're electing a technocratic elitist who's completely out of touch. And this whole carbon tax thing, Drew, I don't know if you heard about it, how he's doing a David Blaine magic trick, right?

He's taking it from here. Shadow tax. Shadow tax. Right. He's doing like that whole card trick where I'm like going to drop it in here. And you can't see it, but it's actually still here. I'm going to put it into the companies, but it's going to come back to. Two year olds love that trick.

A shadow tax actually would be a perfect thing. for the liberals to institute, right? Because it would never affect them because they're all a bunch of fucking blood-sucking vampires. Yeah, I got a question for you guys. I got a question for you guys. So whenever this election, the real election, not this internal one happens,

whenever the actual election for the people to actually make a vote on the leadership happens, what do you think Carnies, let's just assume that he gets in today. Let's just ask, I want to know from you. Assume. Did you say assume? Assume. We're going to assume for the sake of argument. He gets in. What is the chance that he can actually beat a Pierre Pollyab? Because I would have put whoever was on the liberal party at a zero before this whole shenanigans with preroging and the new leadership happened. And now I'm starting to hear noises coming out of Canada. It's like a coin toss. And I'm looking at people who are into like the NPC CBC mentality and they think like, oh, this is our guy. We've got a guy now. And I'm wondering like to what degree.

Is there a possibility that not only do we have a Carney, but that the Canadians want it? Drew, just flip it on Kamala and Trump. How is it that Americans even thought Kamala had a chance? Sorry, can you say that again? You broke up? Or maybe I broke up. Just explain in America how Americans thought Kamala even had a chance. I missed it again.

Just continue. He was wondering how Americans thought that Kamala even had a chance to win. Oh, I think you're back now. go for it yeah no i just want i'm wondering how did how did americans even think kamala had a chance that will oh well this is what i'm this is what i'm worried about is that there's a synthetic reality that's going to play against actual reality but i feel like the canadians have been much more susceptible to it i'm watching them boo the the american anthem from down south and cheering themselves on and wrapping themselves in the canadian flag like their patriots all of a sudden

they just got programmed and if they're that easily programmed over something so stupid then like the leadership is going to have the maximum amount of propaganda. No, no, hold on, hold up, hold on. Cut that bullshit. All of a sudden, patriotic. Did you hear the Freedom Convoy? What about that? Dude, we've been patriotic since what, four or five years ago?

Yeah, well, if I'm understanding correctly, he's not talking about freedom convoy people. He's talking, he's talking about the latte-sipping douchebags who worked 33 hours a week for the government, who suddenly decided. that they want to stand on guard for thee. Yeah, but all this is smoke and mirrors, man. Well, that's the point. Yeah, but the synthetic reality, Americans didn't fall for it. Why would Canadians fall for it?

Because they're dumber? Dude, and no disrespect. Oklahoma excluded. My entire fam is in the States. I got fam in Louisiana, California, New York, New Jersey. Heck, my accent sounds more American than it does Canadian. I'm telling you, none of this matters. This is all bluster.

It's like you said, synthetic, Drew. The whole problem is that we've been patriotic. And at the end of the day, the liberals don't stand a chance, not even a little bit. I don't know if you remember John Turner versus Mulroney, Drew. Do you remember that time, the 1984 election? I was born in 83, so not very well. Northern Perspective, shout out to Ryan Tanya, Northern Perspective, did a whole thing on this that John Turner took over. By the way, Pierre Trudeau, the beauty and all this is astounding and the irony and how history repeats itself got booted out. People think he stepped down. No, no, no, no. He got ousted. You could watch the video. He got ousted. And everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody told him we need John Turner back, right, who had a small stint as an MP. The polls were through the roof that the liberals were going to win. After Pierre

Trudeau's gone and he's going to just wait until the new leader comes in. Same thing, same game plan comes in. Brown Mulroney wrecks him with a majority. It's going to happen again. There's no, like I said, on its lowest level, and I'll land on this, on its lowest level, all Canadians are seeing, even the people that are not on social media, X, YouTube, whatever, the price of housing, the price of everything is up and they're going to make a cognitive association to the government that is of the day. It's that simple. And like two is the case, the big difference between now and 1984

is the fact that there is social media and that that's highly gate kept and that we're the minority voice on that. And a lot of the people in Canada can't even see their own goddamn news. Like it's so bad in Canada and I forget just how bad it is until I get down to the states and look back up. But like I would love to believe that there's a 10% chance or a 1% chance at Carney's in. But just hearing other people say that it could be a coin toss

really makes me not want to come back. Do you watch Patrick Bed David, the PBD podcast? Okay, so PBD like went off on him the other day, right? Yes. He then did a, yeah, then he did a vote on X, got 54,000 people to vote because he had Maxim Bernier on and was like, who you think should lead Canada, go look at the vote and I pasted it and I could show it to you

on the PBD podcast. you could literally go see it. 54,000. 51% said Pierre Poliyev. Well, even though he's got like a highly left or sorry, highly right-leaning audience too. So you're taking it from a metro channel. But it doesn't matter. He criticized them.

Even Twitter at large, let alone, you know, in conservative circles in Twitter, but Twitter at large is is an echo chamber of the far extreme right, which is basically everybody. who thinks that the workers should not own the means of production. Yeah, but Nick Nanos did a poll three months ago. That was a million years ago in politics. No, no, no, no. He did another poll three months ago.

And there's still 25% of liberal voters that don't like any of the people that they're picking. So what does that tell you? Well, I just don't come out to vote. That would be the best. Didn't we just do a live election stream on Ontario where nobody like Doug Ford and he won a slam majority? I don't get any crap. The liberals are going to let's know. It's like, we got nobody, but we're still liberal.

Let's look at the four candidates here real quick, okay? You've got Christia Freeland who committed the one unforgivable sin of a cult, which is to denounce the leader. So she's fucked. You've got Carina Gold, who's a fucking idiot. you've got Frank Bayliss who is the least black person ever even though he was the front of the first black cabinet and then you've got Mark Carney who is just classic Rolls Royce Gray Poupon fucking elitist idiot and then you've got you've got the two the brown dude who got kicked out and Ruby Dala who got kicked out so classic classic liberal that they they think they're just.

just like bananas where you got to toss all the brown ones. I mean, are you asking Drew and I? Are you asking a question there, too? Okay, all right. Well, the question is, is when you look at this resounding, top level selection of the talent and acumen in the liberal circle, you look at that, you're like, of course there's lots of people who don't like any of them.

They all verifiably suck. Well, I mean, look, let's start with Friesland. Friesland's grandfather is Mikhailo Chomiac. Oh, he's a Nazi. Worked in Ukraine as a propagandist Nazi. Oh, but wait, that's her grandfather. No, then she did and edited a paper on her grandfather. And then denied that he was part of the SS.

So there's Naziism in that family tree. Great. Then Karina Gold, right, the genius, of all geniuses, across Canada says, hey, I know who we should invite. We should invite this Ukrainian patriot. And then we're going to have him stand there. We're all going to clap. We're not telling anyone.

We're just going to spring this on everybody. And everyone's going to think he's just the Ukrainian patriot. Turns out to be a Nazi. What is it with this party? I love the intro. It was like, this guy fought the Russians in World War II. Remember what? And then Rodo is reading that, Steve?

And then the Rhodo reads it. He's like, that fought the Russians. in, oh, no. Oh, no. I'm a good. And then what, and then, Drew, did you know this? Karina. What did she do?

Karina after all this happened? Did it bunch of pictures with them? No, no, no. After that, we want to strike from the record that this ever happened. Right? Wow. You're saying this publicly that you took, you brought him. And what was, what was the cherry on top of all this is Zelensky was,

right there clapping for a Nazi ex-sichito. I think this is what, but isn't this what Drew's pointing out is like all this has been going on. And so while we go, well, I agree with you, Vesper on Kamala Harris. Sitting here in Canada watching it, it's like, there's just no way.

But the Americans have been through it once before with Biden. And, you know, I'm sure we have all sorts of views watching us today and whether or not they think 2020 was stolen or not. You can just go, you could just go look at the numbers and start to go, something's a little fishy. And so the second go around, Americans were not having it.

And you wonder how much that played into it. Canadians, on the other hand, are like, oh, that didn't, half of our population more than that. Oh, that didn't happen. And, you know, the thing that, the thing that unnerved me the other day, sitting in, what, the most conservative part of this is a dire nation in Lloyd Minster. And I had a guy go, yeah, I saw this Mark Carnegie. He seems like he's okay. And I almost fell over backwards.

He was like, what? in Lloydminster? Like, how does that even, how does that even get here? And I think that's what Drew's talking about with the, the sci-up as it is, is thick in Canada.

And Canadians are Canadians, and yes, we do have the freedom convoy. Yes, we are patriotic. Yes, we have that group of people. But over the course of the liberal, um, leadership reign, they've really made a mess of things and are pulling all the strings

to try and, um, stay in power. That's my concern, is that they're the only ones with the leash on the Overton window, as far as Canadians can see through their little porthole out into social media land or the newspaper or the news in general. It's all going to be whatever they want them to pair it. And so we're going to have to rest our laurels on... It's a whoreton pinhole.

Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. We're going to have to rest our hopes and laurels on the facts or the hopes that reality can actually shine through instead of this synthetic reality that we seem to be mired underneath. I mean, look, if, Jew, can I say something real quick? Harper, that's what you're here for. Lost. Harper lost. Man, one day, Steve.

I want to have a prize boxing match of you two. I think it would be great. Alberta versus Quebec. I'm going to reach him so bad the day he meets me. Okay. All right. What I'm trying to say is this. Stephen Harper, right, the guy that led before Trudeau.

was voted out basically because Canadians were bored. Yeah, literally. Okay. You have SNC Labelin, arrive, can. You have SDTC scandal, numerous ethics violations, pricing of housing, doubley, charity. We, bam, keep going, Steve. Name all of them.

AgaCon. Just keep going. You think that the- Fisheries in Newfoundland. Um, yeah, a convoy, the emergencies act. Yeah.

Keep going. Keep going. This whole thing now with foreign interference. Your God. Yeah. We've got a hundred percent tariffs coming from China. Everybody's worried as hell about these American tariffs. And,

and the American, or the Chinese come out with 100 percent tariffs on China on, or on Canada, on, on canola oil, rape mail, And those are the liberals favorite kinds of meal and seed. Yeah. And you know, one of the important things, and I'm going to talk about Westerners. So I'm an Easterner, and I hope you Easterners allow me to mention your name because I know you hate Quebec so bad.

But believe me, I feel your pain and I agree with you. I want you to know, I don't blame you for wanting to flex up out of Canada and joining the U.S. I get it. I get it. Why wouldn't you want to get out of here? Look at all the stuff that's been happening. But we need to delineate between what the government of Canada is doing and what Canada believes. And I think the fact that there's a disparity in the way things are traded between East and West,

Albertans, what they really need is somebody to lead and listen to what they want. People in B.C. want that. Everyone wants something, right? In the end of the day, the liberals have not delivered for anyone but Quebec. If you really boil it down, they've delivered. only for Quebec. And everybody else, Ottawa. Stay in line, right? Ottawa is Quebec. No, no, hold on. Ottawa is Quebec. Okay. And then also the

Maritimes, I would say. Maybe. But the whole point is this. If we're going to vote for a new party, a lot of people that come at me on X, they're always like, it's a unit party. It's the same party. I'm like, here's the thing. You may be right that there's going to be some compromises, but there is compromises I'm okay with and there's compromises I'm not okay with. And if you're going to come in and tell Japan, yeah, we're not selling you LNG. Germany, yeah, we're not selling you LNG. We don't want more business, basically. We're going to basically DEI the entire country and ESG, the entire country into oblivion.

And then you have a person that's soon to be prime minister coming in saying, yeah, we're going to cut all of that on day one. People should understand that in the next week to a month or two, reality, like Drew said, that synthetic reality that's being painted right now, once that evaporates the way it did with the U.S. when Trump won, there's going to be a reinvigoration of patriotism in Canada once we see things immediately get pushed through. And that's where I'm hoping.

That's what I'm banking on at this point. Because to me, Carney, is not going to do nothing. And as far as I'm concerned, if you ever watched a Carney Pierre Pauliev debate, he chews him up like a bulldog. He chews him up. Wait till the debate. He's going to get chewed out.

This man has no political experience. He's a nerd that crunches numbers that helps you launder money. That's it. Goldman Sachs, Black Rock, all this stuff. It's perfect for the leader. I'm going to, we got two more guys sitting in the back, boys, and this is going to be the fun thing about today. Sean texted the world.

We're going to make sure that all Canadians get a voice on here. Marty up north hopping in. Marty, thanks for joining us. And Corey Morgan from the Western Standard. Boys, thanks for hopping in. We're missing the event next door, right? Have you guys been watching what's going on at the convention, all the speeches? It's precious.

Oh, I've got it live streaming right now. It doesn't appear to be anything interesting. She's boring. You missed all the speeches. You literally just missed Karina Gould screaming, we're the party of the charter. Gould. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. Wow. We're the party of the charter. Okay, sure. While Parliament is pro-roged. Sure. Yeah, you're the party of the charter. Corey, you've been around this for a long time.

I always say that when you come on. What are your thoughts? Any, well, I don't know. Just on Carney, we assume is going to be, we all think he's getting coronated today. Any thoughts that would go against that? And then whether or not he, you know, the discussion is going around on whether he,

he can win the actual election against Pierre. Yeah, well, I came in a little earlier I could hear it. I think I'm probably on the same page of a lot of you already. It's going to be a coronation. The thing that's going to be interesting, I've been seeing other people. Some people signed up for liberal memberships, and they were worth exactly, you know, what they paid. They're free.

And a lot of people were having trouble, though, getting verified and getting through to vote. So it sounds like your system's been having problems. Plus, a lot of people signed up for two candidates who ended up getting disqualified. So they probably won't come out to vote. So what's going to be really interesting in an exposure of just how messed up Canada's system is, is that this man is going to become the prime minister with a tiny, tiny fraction of Canadians actually having cast a ballot for him. So he's going to be very illegitimate coming into this right off the hop. And I would hope they recognize that, I guess.

And the only question is, how long are they going to go before they call a general election? That's their only hope to have legitimacy. I mean, I know they don't seem to care. If they think they can hold on to power, they don't need legitimacy. But still, they'll get back down to Trudeau-esque type of support numbers, I think, if they try to drag this out much further after the leadership. So the only questions now, like everybody else, I think is kind of saying, is how much is he going to win by?

And, you know, what is their strategy going to be going into a general election? I don't think he's going to do well in a general election. As somebody was just mentioning earlier, he's not a skilled politician. He's not a good communicator on his feet. I mean, he's not a fool, but his skill set was not trained for this sort of arena. And this hasn't given him a lot of time to prepare for it. I'm sure they're training him like crazy right now. But that's not enough time to enter a general election with, I mean, a guy who is a political animal like Pierre Polly.

Yeah, people shoot at him saying because he's a lifetime politician. Well, that's true. But it also means he's a very skilled and experienced one. And he's really going to chew on those liberals hard. Yeah, Carney can. Carney can go on a stage at a business conference in New York talk in front of a bunch of bankers and business people. And he'll talk gobbledygook, right? Like he'll just use big words and everybody applauds him.

You're right. You know, he won't have a chance in the House of Commons. And it's going to be hilarious because, you know, if he is selected, he'll be watching the proceedings of the House of Commons from the Spectators Gallery. So just on just on your one bit there, Corey. So Carney and his speech about 20 minutes ago bragged about the fact that they brought in 300,000 new members. At one point they said 400, but I have a feeling they eliminated 100,000 who didn't qualify. Their latest press release said about 159,000 voted. So they had even when I was at the Carney event on Tuesday live, people were mumbling about that.

He mentioned, you know, at one point he says, you know, I'm here to fix things and everybody yelled out, fix the voting. Like, it's not been, it's not going well for him. Yeah. And I think, I don't think it'll be a total coronation. I think, uh, Freeland put up a good fight. And, and if he comes out like 80% victorious, which I doubt, somebody like, uh, Freeland might protest that. So, uh, I think, I think they'll, it's in their best interest to make it, uh, a 55. 45 kind of victory so that to avoid any serious, you know, root cause for audits. Yeah, mine Freideline did do a very good job at getting all the votes. Very nice, very good of you, Freideline. Marty, were you actually able to vote eventually? I was. Okay.

Yeah, I was able to vote and I voted for Freeland. So if she doesn't get one vote, we'll know there's. been some cheating going on. It was a complicated nightmare to vote, by the way. And yeah, and I did go to the Carney event. Oh, wow. Well, you know, it's pretty telling. I mean, you went to the Carney event.

We sent a couple of reporters to Carney events. And of course, we get turned away and kicked out at every one of them. They won't let us anywhere near him. They sort of embarrassed themselves because they sent an invitation to the Western Standard. We had letters. They said, hey, come on out. Cover our events.

event. So, of course, we did. And we showed up and our reporters were turned away at the door by a poor, nervous 20-year-old volunteer. But I mean, it says a lot about your candidate when your best strategy is to shield him from critical media whenever possible. That means that they're afraid of him being able to answer questions on his feet. And they can do that in a leadership race. They're not going to be able to get away with that in the general election. He had too many, he had too many what I called Bozo Eruptions, right, which is a Canadian term. A bozo eruption is when a candidate actually accidentally tells the truth on the campaign trail.

And he was prone to telling the truth. And in strong comparison, like, you know, who here has been to a Pueleev event with 2,000 people where he stands by the stage till, like, he'll let hundreds of people walk by him and take questions from everyone. It's a stark contrast between the two. Also, Corey, did you notice that Warren Kinsella? got a massive like, review on his post when he said

exactly what happened to you on eggs. Bad look, Carney. Very bad look. And that's Warren Kinsella, who's backing him like to the brim. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, part of it, too, is I suspect Warren would very much like to get a job

in the Kearney War Room, even if it's only going to last until the end of the next general election. I mean, he's been nothing but a commentator since the Kretchen days. And, hey, he was an effective strategist with Kretchen days. It's undeniable.

Sella, as maddening as he is, is actually a pretty effective war room operator. I think he wants a job. So it's in his interest to say, hey, your room is full of strategic fools right now. If you pay me the right fee, though, I'll pop on and help you out in this next 40, 50 days. That and also, I can stop being mean to you on social media if I'm working for you. Warren is so good as a strategist. I think Danielle Smith should actually hire him. That's how good I think he is.

Well, she could use some help too, but that's a different. Did you guys see the latest polls from 338 Canada? So, I mean, polls have been collected all week long. Like, we're in hyperdrive when it comes to polls. Everybody's commissioning them. But 338 aggregates them. And so they just published the aggregate today, and it's already flattening. So according to 338 Canada, if there was an election tomorrow, we'd be scroll down a little bit there, Sean, just to, you're on a wrong.

page you have to go to the select your region go right to the top and then choose your region um all federal further up up up up no choose okay that's fine okay Canada federal yeah there you go and then now scroll down and go to let's say popular vote uh well actually this page is interesting first of all right there okay that's popular vote so you can see how it's flattening right so the conservatives in blue at the top are the same as last week. So that that that gap isn't narrowing as much as it was last week. I for one think the polls have some truth to them. I mean, you know, you can look at them individually. They, they definitely have some bias depending on who commissioned them. The polls on there, they show who commissioned them, whether it's the National

Post or whether it's global or whatever. And, but there is some truth to them. I think, you know, six months ago, everybody, if you got to call six months, months ago, you were completely fed up with Trudeau and you weren't going to select them. But Canadians as a normally are a very progressive liberal nation. And we tend and so Carney has given Canadians an excuse to choose liberals again. But I agree with all the comments. I think if Carney misreads these polls and does something silly like call a snap election, hoping to take advantage of Trump derange syndrome.

I think that'll backfire on him. Well, I think Jagmeet Singh is planning on a snap election as well. Because, I mean, he just spent $500,000 on that boxing video. And that boxing video becomes completely irrelevant if the Trump man bad situation goes away with the tariffs. Yes. So he literally bet the entire future of his political party on this remaining. an issue, which tells me, one, they're not interested in solving it. And B, that there's probably going to be an election soon because you don't spend all,

you don't spend twice as much money as you currently have in liquid assets as a party on one ad. I think he went in pretty damn sure he went in debt making that video. He went in dead like, he did. They had, they had less than $300,000 dollars in liquid assets. They had $300,000 a few months ago. And then they had to pay about 10% of that to Kaelin Ford, because. the NDP in Alberta don't legally exist.

And so the federal NDP had to cover her court costs in the defamation lawsuit that she's bringing to the Alberta to NDP. And so now they're down to about 270 and they spent $500,000 on that app. And you don't do that unless you're expecting an election to happen. Hold on. So I don't know how many of you play insurgency with Canada two years ago. I signed up to all the parties. and I'm on all their mailing list.

I'm getting emails about like get these signs printed, get these things going from each of the parties. Are you guys not seeing this? Are you not getting the emails? Like there's preparation. They're literally sending us the pictures and PDFs of what to print out. I guess something with Polyev saying something about election signs. No, no, no.

But it literally gives you the cutout and it tells you if you want to print it, this is where you go. These are the dimensions. I get from the. I'm only a member of the liberal party, wink, wink. I'm not a member of any of the parties, but I get all the press releases because I'm at the standard and I'm on all those lists. And I mean, it's always been busy, but it's going into hyperdrive. I was cynical before and thinking maybe Singh is going to cut a deal with Carney and try and stretch this out, you know, for the sake of an emergency.

But as I said, if he spent that much on advertising with the little amount of money they've got, plus the parties are getting the, the wheels turning now. It's pretty clear. There's going to be an election coming pretty soon. And once that starts going in motion, they're going to go for it. Yeah, I've had people text me, tell me that pilots have been put on standby at the charter branch of Air Canada. Offices for campaign offices have been rented, things like that. And I could say, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like getting ready for wedding season.

You book it just in case. But I think the noise is increasing. And I think, yeah, there's definitely prep. Well, actually, for the liberal party, one of the things I'm getting is emails on getting ready to campaign. Like they put on these campaign 101 classes and they're inviting us. 35 bucks to go to a campaign 101 class. Like they want us to pay to learn how to campaign. Pyramid Skim Liberal Party.

Pyramid scheme. Wow. So, I mean, technically you're not a volunteer at that point. You're paying them to go knock on their doors. Basically, yeah. Damn. Hey, I got a question for you guys. we got a really great group. Thanks to Sean for bringing all these people, not including me,

into this conversation who are like really, really in the know about what's going on politically in Canada. And it sounds to me, I'm feeling actually quite hardened that the nonsical conversation is that Carney's probably going to get in, but he doesn't have a chance at getting the actual leadership once there's a general election. Although when I talk to other Canadians that are not in the know that aren't nuancedically following political goings on in Canada, they feel all of a sudden like Carney might be a shoe in or at least like a coin toss. To what degree do you think if you were to lower things to the lowest common denominator that there is a possibility that there is a Carney or is it just like this is all

smoke and mirrors. I'll take a quick crack at this one. Carney is a one trick pony. I think we all want to. Yeah, he's the one trick pony right now. I mean, like with Trump threatening a trade war, then they can bring out Carney and go look at his resume. He worked for the bank of Canada and the Bank of England.

He's a one trick pony. If it was, on other issues like health care, the Constitution, whatever, you know, building up the military, woke policies, you name it, he's got nothing. He's got nothing, nothing. So that's why they didn't want him around. He couldn't answer those questions. So that's my thoughts. One trick, Boney. Yeah, I'm going to jump into speaking for Quebec.

And the only French speaking person on this panel is probably Marty. So the Quebecois here, I went around downtown Montreal. And I went to downtown Montreal. was asking people, like, do you know who this person is? They're like, no, I don't even know who this guy is in Quebec. They've heard of Pierre. They've heard of Justin. They've even heard some of them at Freeland.

I walked around downtown St. Catherine, just asking people these questions. They don't even know who this person is. So they're either going to be voting for a party, but they're not going to be voting for a particular incumbent. It's too soon. It's too quick. It's the Kamala effect of it being shoved in too quickly. you're not going to make up for, let's say, the last five years of scandal after scandal,

economic policy, deterioration, immigration, all that you're not going to make up for it in three months with a guy in a suit. You're just not going to do it. At this point, Forrest Gump has a better chance of winning against Pierre Qualiav. His French is absolutely brutal, right? I mean, mine's kind of brutal, but I've been here. I have an excuse. I haven't used it commonly, you know, for a few years. Did you watch that interview, Marty? When you started talking, like, they brought him out on talk shows. They brought him out on one talk show or about a month ago.

And I swear to God, the crowd looked like, like the crowd was like, wow, I paid for this. Like, why am I here? Like, they, they were disappointed. And if I was Pierre and Carney does get into the House of Commons, I would, I would never go to English. I would ask him every single question in France. It would annoy me, but I would do that. So, I mean, everything you guys are saying is right.

But here's the thing about Carney is that this guy lives in a completely different world than us. It's in a different country than us. That's also fair. That's also fair. So this is a guy who it was documented in the British news that his wife was just astoundingly mad because their living allowance was only 30,000 pounds. month when he was leader of the Bank of Canada or Bank of Bank of England. This guy is going to be perfect because he's going to

get so many chances to screw up because they need to get him as a known figure. And so they're going to be putting him in front of a microphone as much as possible. And he's not even going to realize that he's fucking up. He's going to be like, well, yeah, times are tough in Canada. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's exactly it. And so maybe instead of getting bluefin, you go to Mahi Mahi for a little while.

I know I know I had to cut back on things. When I was sailing around the Iberian Peninsula this year, I had to get a two-star Miss Michelin Chef instead of a three-star. He's going to say stupid shit like that. And it's going to explode and I'm going to laugh my ass off. Well, you know what? At one of the leadership debates, the one in Montreal, I think that that was a question.

Like they asked all four candidates what a basket of groceries was. And Carney dodged that one. He's like, I don't do groceries. I'm like, yeah. So what you're saying, Sean, is he doesn't do groceries. His wife don't do groceries. Probably his butler doesn't do groceries, right? Somebody down the scale does the groceries for him.

Yeah, I talked about this. Can I ask Corey a question? Just real quick. Just real quick. To be fair, though, Mark Carney is one of the only people in this country who can afford a basket of groceries at this point in time. I'd like to ask Corey a question real quick. Corey, 2012, you were on top, I'm sure, of like, the politics.

I wasn't even around. I was probably doing something like ice fishing or something. But didn't they want him in 2012 to run instead of Trudeau, that there was this idea that there was going to either be Carney or in Trudeau. And then he turned it down to take the job at the Bank of England. Am I wrong in saying that? Because what I read, the guy made off with over $10 million is the governor of the bank of England. and then once that pot dried out, he went to Black Rock.

And then after Black Rock, now suddenly he's coming to Canada to become Prime Minister, or he's been shadow advising Trudeau while doing all this for climate agendas, which is what Black Rock was pushing. So that means that he was both at Black Rock and advising Justin Trudeau. Am I wrong? Didn't they want him in 2012 and he turned it down for a higher salary? Well, I mean, my memory is only so clear from back then. I know he was one of the names. Back in 2012, they were throwing names like spaghetti at the wall, though they were desperate to try and unseat Harper. Carney was an, well, as far as you would go, in political insiders, an established person to consider. You know, when they went to Ignatyev, which is very similar, though. I mean, an intellectual type of person who wasn't directly involved, at least in the party politics for years, they thought that fresh face would help them and it slaughtered them because the problem is, anyways that Ignatiov was from outside of the country and they campaigned effectively saying

only visiting. You know, you just came back as the opportunity presented. And now that Carney did take off to the Bank of England that he does spend all his time in New York and has done those things, it puts him at a really bad disadvantage that they're going to twist that right now. But I don't remember specifically from back then. I wouldn't call it twisting it. I'd call it accurately speaking to it. Oh, yeah. They couldn't bring out Carney because, I mean, you know, throughout, let's say, 2011, 12, like right up until the end. I mean, Carney was right on stage with with Flaherty. What was Flaherty's first name? Our minister of finance.

Jim Flaherty. He was on stage with Jim Flaherty. He had been selected to the to the directorship of the bank by Harper himself. So I mean, the the liberals couldn't have paraded him because he was too. He was backed. Then he was considered a conservative. By the way, Marty, did you see how he took credit for Jim Flaherty's work? And then Harper was like, yeah, Harper spoke up and basically said, you're taking credit for a dead guy's work, which, I mean, there's very few politicians that haven't done that.

I mean, the NDP guy, he did that on his deathbed. Yeah, and that triggered the whole Carney meme series last week. I mean, you know, Carney is the greatest man. or what's the, what's the Dosecchi's guy? What was he called? He gave the first man in the world. Yeah, yeah. Carney gave him a run for his money.

So, yeah. Yeah, he beat up for, Norris. But that exposed something else about Carney that shows a bad political understanding on his part. And I think it probably didn't resonate with the average public member who doesn't follow politics closely. But they got to understand the head of the bank of Canada isn't supposed to be fucking around with any policy issues while they're in there anyway. So he shouldn't have been doing, even if he wasn't.

doing it you're not supposed to be doing what flerty was doing you're not supposed to be doing anything with the budget you're there to manage the bank of canada and nothing else it's supposed to be the most apolitical position in the country almost you know you you focus on that and for him to suddenly say oh yeah i was deep in within the harper government on finance well what the hell were you doing there because you're not supposed to be in that role and that's lost on a lot of canadians and i don't think it'll be a big political point to throw against them because most can most can't understand that system. But it also shows that Carney doesn't understand that separation very well either when he can try to take that credit. And again, there's a lot of room for mistakes.

You guys made me think of a question. It's a question I've asked a few times. And I don't, I haven't had a good answer to it. Why is Carney running? Because you know, he like he, yeah, he got. I've asked that too. But why, why is he running? What's in it for him? Because as far as I'm concerned, he's a guy who's probably got a net worth of what, 30, 40 million dollars. And this could just really go sideways for him. I mean, he's going to have to put his assets in a trust and he's going to expose his family to this? Like how how much money is he looking to make? Why would he jump in like this? I can I answer that first? Number one, if you look at Carney's portfolio, Brookfield has investments from Vanguard and Black Rock. Okay. There are globalist international players

here that could stand to profit. But here's the irony in all this. And I mentioned this the other day to Steve and to Sean the Panama Canal acquisition by BlackRock that Donald Trump did. There's, and now even these companies now are pulling out of this whole ESG climate agenda, whatever, but they are also very heavily invested. And I wonder if it's not so much carny, but basically his investors that need him to be in a position to curtail basically the narrative in Canada. And that would be my only guess for him to put it all on the line is that it, it helps his bottom line. And he could care less what you think of him. All of these people just care about the money. And I've always said that. For them, why do I care of Canadian?

I didn't care about them for a decade. Now I'm supposed to care about them. No, I care about my portfolio. My bottom line. Hey, sorry to hop in, boys. Sean, do you want to shift over to, is Trudeau's speaking right now? Is he not? he's speaking right now so you should shift over to that for a few minutes and see what he's got to say yeah turn on the

there you go ooh he basically just finished speaking it looks like oh he did bummer yeah they're keeping all the speech is short and sweet right they're uh

this reminds me of what this reminds me of one like did you guys see the stage reminded me when like Biden drew remember when when Biden came out and like doing this like everything was red. Yeah, yeah. Like a fascist. Yeah.

When they scanned the crowd, they got a bunch of red lights shining down on them too. But like, like you would think that the marketers and the PR team would understand that even though we should make it look like a like a con, like a socialist, fascist, Nazi thing. Like can you imagine just turning that liberal logo black? It would have just been like copy. Now they've got John Crecheon. Yeah, bring them up. Bring them up to. All right.

An interesting thing about John Crecheon, you can always tell him he's lying because he talks out the side of his mouth. Mr. Mr. Trudeau. Do we want to listen to the French? Anybody. I can translate if you want. All right.

All right. Do it. Dear Patriots. It's an occasion exceptional time to be with you tonight. I'm a 9th convention of the Party Liberal, to which I participate. This is the ninth convention that I participated in. And it's the seventh time that I've advanced on podium. It's the seventh time I've come to the podium.

I'd never crue that I could do at age of 91 years. I didn't think I'd ever be able to do it at 91. It's great to see so many young people in the room. It's great to see so many young people. It gives me of my first liberal convention when I was the president of the young liberals at Laval University. I'm in Laval. In 1958, when Lester. Pearson was elected liberal leader in 1958.

See, they got to go back to their glory date in 1950s because they got nothing to go back on recently. That became a very good prime minister. I have kept coming to liberal convention for 68 years. I have kept coming back to liberal convention because of what the liberal party stand for. I have kept coming back because of where the Liberal Party has delivered to make the lives of Canadians better. And I am here today because it is the Liberal Party that can best deliver the better lives for Canadian in the days. He can't even spit it out. Months and years ahead.

Like they got nobody better to roll out than this guy. Well, I mean, they had... It is the Liberal Party that I was giving Canadian pension plan in Medicare. The Charter of Rights and Freedom. The two official languages. Canada health care. That put the indigenous rights into the Canadian Constitution. Brat in tough gun control laws.

affirmative action the guns they ban are older than that we have always right to choose like man they're a company like they're really

the party who led the way to permit the second party in the country in the world to permit same sex marriage I like he cares about that yeah the party that give women

the right to vote might as well go that far John while you're at it equality, tolerance, openness, and inclusiveness. We liberals call that to the truckers. We liberals call it the very essence of Canada.

And it is the liberal party that gave us the red maple leaf flag. They didn't grow west of Ontario. Which flew so proudly in homes. across the country on the 14th of February to demonstrate our patriotism and love for Canada. Wasn't it the liberals that were shitting on the flag?

I want... Yeah, let's talk about the 14th of February 2022. What happened then? Former Prime Ministers, Joe Clark, Harper, Martin, Campbell, for coming together with me to rally Canadian across the land. to show the candidate flag with pride, with a lot of pride. That's Brett. He says in the comments that Kretchen remembers when popcorn was invented. I would argue that Ketkaan remembers when porn was invented by, popcorn was invented by Mark Carney, though.

So, yeah. Yeah. This is. I want to be tribute to Justin Trudeau. All right. We're good. I think this could be not. Okay, we'll come back to this.

You know, somebody is going to take advantage of the possibility, the chance that Kretchen gave them right there where he kept saying, I kept coming, I kept coming. I don't like say it one more time. It's like, do not come. Do not come. I'm going to come.

Somebody's going to do this with him. I can see it happening already. Well, Vesper can do it. If anybody can do it, Vesper's got the technology to do it, or RPN can do it as well. You know what I'm doing? I'm actually working on a mean meme. now of John Wick, that scene where the father is talking to the son about like John's coming for you

and there is not a thing you can do about it, but I'm going to replace the face of, whatever he calls him. Right. I'm going to, yeah, Vigo. I'm going to replace the face of the father with Justin and Carney's faces the son and he's telling him with his ear, like there's nothing you're going to do to stop him. It's unfortunate. And look, let's be honest.

And I'm sure all the panel is going to agree. It's not just that the conservatives might win on some of the things on their platform. it's theirs to take because the liberals have just completely destroyed it. So it's not so much that they're winning is that the liberals are also losing. They had an open net three and a half years ago and look how that went. The media was against us, right? I mean, they had an open net in 21 and 19, I even dare say. The net was pretty open in 2019.

Yeah. But a lot of things in 2019 came up about the election. I don't know if Corey knows more about this for the Western Standard. but apparently there was a lot of tampering that happened with the election on that election between foreign interference was it just 2019 or 2021 also both actually there was evidence of it i mean most of it seems like they were messing around in the nominations i think where they were most effective but that's still frightening i mean if you've got a constituency where you know that you know a liberal is going to be elected even if they nominate a dog then it says quite a bit when the chinese have managed

to rig the nomination. That is the election at that point. And it's interesting to bring that up because I looked at a recent bunch of polling as well about what the top issues are for Canadians right now. And unfortunately, the foreign interference is way down in the toilet.

The liberals ragged the puck long enough. They actually pulled it off. Most Canadians got tired of it. They stopped thinking about it. They stopped talking about it, even though it should be a top of mind, bloody issue as we're going into an election. And it's way down the list right now.

And that's really, really unfortunate because that's kind of as the beginning of the end of the liberal strength. I mean, that's where the scandals finally caught up to them. You know, the Wii scandal wasn't enough. SNC wasn't enough. But the foreign interference was finally dogging Trudeau getting on them. But they dragged it out so bloody long, it lost its power. And it really should be a headfax. Never mind the RFK files or the JFK files or the Elvis files.

I want Frump to leak out the foreign interference, Canadian, foreign interference files. Wouldn't that just be awesome? Well, you know, you guys know that, and I'm sure you do, that Justin Trudeau is now being sued in a Superior Court of Ontario over the invocation of the SNC meddling with Jody Wilson Ribble. Did you guys know about that? Yeah, the RCP is doing an investigation into it. Now, they've taken it out of federal court. They're going into another court, like a civil election. Right. And I think these can be resurfaced. And I try to push back on people that come against the conservatives.

Listen, if you play chess, you don't show your moves. I think people need to understand. You need to get into power and then rain hell on your opponents. So a lot of people that want things, I agree with. I don't think you can do that because it comes off like you're going to persecute your political opponents. What you need to do is you need to play as close to the line on your issues. And once you, you get into power, I wouldn't be shocked if Brock, I mean, if you guys have watched committees, Brock, Cooper, Barrett, these guys want answers on everything dating back to SNC and we and all this stuff that they were never able to do. Let's not forget the conservatives are not in power. All they can do is ask questions.

Brock, well, yeah, Brock Cooper and John Wee have been probably, I would say the three most effective members of parliament out of all 338, which isn't really saying much because we don't really pick our best and brightest to go to Ottawa for us. But those three in particular have been doing a pretty solid job.

We just passed the hour mark. So I want to remind anyone watching to give us a retweet, share it. We got over 3,300 people at this point watching live. So kudos to everybody tuning in. And if you got time and are enjoying the show,

make sure to retweet it. We are not exactly funded by the liberal government, are we twos? And if we are, if we are, I feel like I know about it. Marty's team Carney or freelance. I'm looking for my bags of cash, but I don't see them. They might have been late delivering them today, but they're coming. Drew, I want to be respectful of your time. You were the first guy in. Any final thoughts before we let you out of here? No, to be honest, I'd love to hear the. rest of this conversation i'll definitely check it out after you've posted it later but um i'd appreciate all of the insights of you guys because well i mean yeah i'll listen to it after the fact is what

i'm saying um i want i'm happy to hear from other people that are in the know in canada because i've been getting like really disheartening uh tastes of what general canadians are feeling right now that are i think they're just plugged too much into the npc cbc mindset right now there's a lot of ba baba what's our next programming thing to do. And it makes me worry that we're going to get an incoming election and everybody is just sort of tied to their propaganda machine and are going to say the current thing and get another idiot into power. And who knows where that goes. In fact, what I think it'll do is there's going to be a mass exodus at a Canada if there hasn't been up to this point is really going to happen after that because it just proves we're a banana republic because all signs in the wind

should point towards this is an obvious Pierre win and it has been for years at this point. We just need to get the damn thing done. So I'm hopeful and through your guys' help, I believe that that's going to get done this time. I re-believe, because I believed it up to this point until all this Carney bullshit's been going on. People start to question it now. But I just say the sooner the better, get it over with. Let's get our Pierre in there and see how he can do with what he's going to do. He's not my Pierre, but yes. He's not really mine either, but he's not a carny. You know what I mean? Like it is kind of a protest vote in a weird way. I appreciate you hopping on, Drew and sharing your thoughts.

Tuning in or, well, coming in from down south, right? You're south of the border right now. Yeah. Prado Burton, who left during COVID. If you want to go hear those stories, you can find Drew all over the place. And Gordon, of course, on the podcast as well. But either way, Drew, thanks for hopping on. All right.

Appreciate it. See you guys. Always good seeing you. There you go. We're waiting on a few different people. And as they come, Corey, I told you like half an hour. If you want to hop off, this would be the time. I can also wait until the next guest comes.

If you got any final thoughts or if you got a little bit of time, you're more than welcome to stay for a few extra minutes. Yeah, I do. I'm afraid I actually do have to bolt, but maybe just a couple of thoughts before I go. I appreciate coming on. I love this discussion. I mean, for some of,

you know, beats the hell out of watching that love in of liberals sitting together. It's better just to speculate on what they're actually going to extrude from themselves in this race. Just following on kind of drill on the way out too, though, something that I have been worried about and frustrated with an attitude I'm seeing more and more of is cynicism and people giving up and tuning out and shrugging and saying nothing's going to make a difference. It doesn't fucking matter if I vote or if I don't or if I participate. And I hate seeing

it because, you know, I know I hate ramming my face against the wall, but your chances of break in the wall are zero if you don't try. And you've got to try and mitigate the damage. even if it's not perfect. If you check out, unfortunately, the worst elements will have an even easier time. They still might win if you try. I don't know. But it really worries me when people completely tune out of the process. It's bad for all of us.

And the liberals have really instilled that, I think, by dragging this out, fighting democracy, shutting down parliament, I mean, all the way back to the trucker's convoy, of course. So maybe in this election, I hope to see some people, you know, just feeling a bit of enthusiasm and participating. in the process. Well, we appreciate you giving us some time today, Corey. As always.

Yeah, I always enjoy having your thoughts on me and two's been doing a lot of lives and the mashup has been bringing a ton of guests on. So we've been getting to hear a few more of your voices, a little more regularly on the show and on the live stream. So appreciate you coming on a short notice and giving us some of your thoughts today. Always happy too when I can. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys.

I've come for a visit soon, Corey. I want some of that honey of yours. I know you don't like honey, so I'll take it off your hands. Right on, Marty. I can fix you up. I just want to follow up with what Corey was saying. You know, it is easy. Like, giving up in social media circles is called getting blackpilled, right?

Where you finally start to believe that you have no control and whatever happens happens. And that's why I try to encourage Canadians to do the silly things that I've been doing that Tews has been doing. You know, like you and I, we went to NDP town halls. this year. I mean, somebody said, like, you're not a liberal. You can't get a liberal membership. Bullshit, you know, I'm not going to sit back and not participate in democracy. And they threatened me, like, you know, they make you check off the box saying you agree that

you believe in the party's whatever policies. And if we find you in contempt, we could find you $10,000. Good luck with that idea. And, you know, that's why I went to the Carney event. That's why I got my, you know, this summer I have my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, Macowan and my whatever Nahed Nenshi or Sarah Hoffman. I was a Sarah Hoffman fan for a while.

Can you imagine them looking for Marty when he's out like in the wilderness? Like we're going to sue him. Good luck finding him. This guy is completely off the grid. This is a solid snake. He's completely somewhere we can't find. Yeah. They're going to they're going to have some guy sitting on the top of a mountain in the

middle of nowhere waiting to hand you fucking papers. Well, and I can't believe they like, you know, poor Corey, I mean, his team couldn't get into the Carney event. Despite the fact that they were invited. And then the other thing was, was that I can't remember if Corey talked about this or not, it's already been a long day. But Cardi lied about it afterwards. He said that they invited local media.

Yeah. I mean, dude, I was wearing car hard pants, a blue hoodie. I got my beard. I think I had running shoes. I mean, I was not the quintessential liberal. that event and they let me in. But I ruined a lot of their photo shots. In hindsight, I saw, like, you know,

they managed to do a little bit of campaign material from the Calgary event. And, you know, they got like the drone flying and looking at the crowd. It's like, oh, you better turn that way. Like as soon as they got to me afterwards when they're reviewing their footage, everywhere where I should have appeared, they canceled me. So, like, nice. Just for anybody interested, uh, as far as what's happening with the live results, John Cretchen is still fucking talking.

still talking honestly like you're really you're really rolling the dice liberal party you're going to get a 91 year old man up there and you're going to have him talking for that long there is a

non-zero chance that he shits himself in front of that podium curious Dr. Jay and Joe Biden having a good conversation who wins nobody curious all three of your thoughts, not to go down

conspiracy rabbit hole, but I am curious, right? Because as far as I can understand from this conversation, everyone's like, Pierre's winning, don't believe the polls, and let's just, you know. I'm curious, you know, like, you're crazy. And ain't nobody listening to your craziness. Come on. When I, when I look at it, I'm like, well, do we, do they,

do you think they took it in 2020, down in the States? I would say 100%. Yes. 100%. So everybody's going to say yes. that's sitting here, okay? And when nobody can figure out why Mark Carney's doing this.

And he's tied to probably probably the worst group under the sun. He was sent to finish the job. I mean, we've all seen the Klaus Schwab videos of like we've been filtered the cabinet

right, right. So he's finishing the job that Trudeau couldn't finish. Okay. So, wait, wait, let me finish Tuesday. Okay, all right. Do you want thoughts, but you don't? Continue.

No, no, no. I'm laying something out here. just trying to get to it. Okay. So we don't know why Carney's running. We all, well, we all agree 2020. Stolen. Okay. Check. And then we go, we don't know why Carney's running and he's tied to the worst human beings under the sun. And we are not the Americans. So we all go, oh, no, this is a slam dunk. But it seems like we're, we're, aren't we missing the point where possibly they can steal this on us? Or is that not possible in Canada? They totally can. I just don't want to believe it because I've said, personally, I've said, if they steal this one, I'm black pilled and I'm, I'm,

out of here. Like that's like I'm trying to that's the that's the that's the best theory. I mean that that's the world I live in. What's the best theory? Why is Carney here? What's happening? That's the best theory. We're fighting hard against that because he is that is what's happening, but we have the ability to fight it and with our votes and things like that. Sure. Okay. Here's here's the one thing that nobody else has put forth as far as the why. because I've been thinking about this too, Marty. Excuse me for a second. Do you guys remember that classic Plutarch quote?

And then Alexander wept for there were no more worlds to conquer. You've got a guy whose net worth is somewhere in the tens of millions. He's got more money than everybody in his lineage is ever going to fucking spend. Okay? This guy has no more boxes to check. He's got nothing left to accomplish. Where the fuck do you go from here? How do you get any excitement out of life?

Well, hey, you know what? I could show up. And in the spare money I have in the ashtray in my car, I could pay the $350,000 entrance fee for the liberal thing. And I'd be a shoe in. And fuck it. I'll be prime minister for a few weeks. That'd be kind of fun.

Yeah, I don't think it's enough. I mean, like, I don't think it's, I don't think he's simply chasing another. Yeah. I just don't do things for, I don't know. No, it's not just, what do you think? Listen, listen, it's really simple. This is not linear. This is not this guy coming in because he's bored, whatever.

There are people behind this person that have a stake in this and he's leading the charge. It's that simple. The thing you're failing to take into account is that investment has completely left this country. No, no. We're not talking about all these, about all this global. Allow me to finish. Allow me to do you. You got to let you get finished, twos.

You come on nice. I'm like you cutting your ass off. Let me finish. I'm going to start muting them for you, Vesper. Yeah. I'm curious. All I'm saying is I'm with Marty. I'm going to be completely blackfield.

The only way this party wins is you. rig all this. You buy votes. You do all that. That's the only way they win because think about it. I said it before. We voted Harper out with none of this bluster. We were just bored.

We wanted a new guy with Vidal Sassoon Hare who had the name Pierre, Trudeau, sorry. After all of this, you really think Canadians aren't seeing the price of chicken and lettuce and all this BS and they're going to say, yeah, let's keep voting them in. They don't know who Carney is. Carney has one agenda. When they ask him about the carbon stuff, he has not canceled it. Guys, you know this.

You've been watching him. He wants to reappropriate it through the companies and hide this thinking that Canadians are stupid and they don't understand how business works. Now, some Canadians are stupid and don't understand. But for the smart ones, I mean, they're going to pass the price back down to you.

That's just me hiding the thing and restructuring it. His bottom line is still this green energy BS, despite all the companies that are pulling out of it in the states, banks are pulling out of it in the states, everyone's pulling out of it. He's got to make money. Bottom line, he's got to secure it,

not only his investments, but the people that he works with that he's still tied with, whether it be Goldman Sachs, whether it'd be BlackRock, whether it'd be any of the people that are invested in this whole thing. A lot of money was laid in the last two years on green energy. Let's face it. And we are,

we are, think about this. We still are a G10 country. Like, we're, you know, we are, of the top 10 economies in the world, despite the fact that we only have 40 million people and we're completely inefficient. So what is Canada worth?

It's worth a shit ton of money. And it's one of the easiest countries in the world to take control of. Like, you can take control of all of this by just infiltrating a couple of guys. And then think of all the money that's been, I mean, I always say this. Like the Canadian federal government budget last year had a category in the bottom left corner called miscellaneous transfers worth $91 billion. That still buys a lot of corruption, man. $91 billion, if I'm Charles Schwab or anybody else,

I don't care who, if I'm some evil dude somewhere in the world, and I look at that, I go, what? All I got to do is find a good-looking guy and get him elected, and then all of a sudden I have my hands on this pot of gold. That's what they've been doing, man. It's like it's insane the amount of money that is on the count of four. And like I do I've done that reconciliation so many times I go like I don't even know how we can spend 500 billion dollars in this country in an annual budget.

It's disgusting. Like you do the math. You go like it's $40,000 per person. Where is it all going? So they're in here for that. Canada is the most gamable country until the conservatives come in. If you come in and watch what like Pierre said about like cutting all the stuff up now, again, it remains to be seen if he's going to be full of shit or not.

I'm banking that he's not. But after that, I'm with Marty. Like, if you don't do the reforms that he says, and it's not just the liberals that have done this to us. Every government's done this to us. They take their turns at the trough, like getting their people in and then just enriching themselves. It's a, we're a naive country, easy to take over. People go, oh, okay, I voted.

But yeah, I guess the liberals won a third time. Okay, so be it. And then we go back. But I disagree on, I disagree on one thing, Marty. I think the landscape in the last four years. is post-COVID and the attunement of the average Canadian to politics. I have never seen this in my 40 years of being here in Canada. I didn't care and I know nobody cared. Now, the people around me in my inner circles, even in Quebec, like they talk nothing but politics. And they're

not talking the habs. They're not talking basketball. They're not talking any. They're constantly talking about the political situation that's happening in Canada and I think we need to factor that in. I'm not disagreeing with you, but we need to factor in the idea that people are a little bit more in tune with what's happening to the country. Let me interject here, gents. We got Brian Lilly in the background. We're going to bring him in. He's in for a quick 10 minutes here and then we're going to let him go until after the results

come in. So Brian Lilly, welcome back to the show. Good to be with you. You're missing out on Sean Cratch in, you know, waxing poetic. At least he puts on a good show. He makes you laugh, right? Brian, is everybody else getting it really loud? Yeah, yeah, it was loud.

Your microphone is turned way up. Okay, let's see. How's this? Still the same. Still the same. It's distorted, like loud distortion. Let me just go into the settings here because see if I can sort this out.

I'll just take it down and how's that? Very good. Okay. I'm going to add in, we got Layton Gray too. Layton, you're into, but we're going to, thanks for hopping on late. We're going to start with Brian. He's here for a few minutes and then he's got to run again. But Brian, sorry, what have you been seeing of today?

We still got Kretchen on stage currently. What can you bring us up to speed with when it comes to the liberal leadership race in the next Prime Minister of Canada? Well, it's weird that you've got the old prime minister in the end of going. Prime Minister during the state with the people who are going to enroll the person, only one of them will then, who's going to take over. You don't normally do that in a political convention because you want some separation. That's not happening here. Trudeau gave a speech that the audience absolutely loved. It reminded me of why I thought he should have stayed as a motivational speaker.

He's very good at giving a speech. He's bad at governing, and he has very bad policies. But he can deliver a speech and make people feel good things. Stick to that, please. State of politics from now on. You know, it seems like a coronation of Carney, as I've watched the TV coverage of it. And it's good that you guys are doing this

because the TV coverage, regardless of where I looked, was all the same, repeating the lines that essentially making it sound like Mark Carney and the liberals are now in the lead. They're not, unless you look at Eco's polls, which I don't for very good reasons, based on Frank Craves' own words. You know, there is a push to get the narrative out there

that Carney and the Liberals are about to do a cakewalk over, Pierre and the Conservatives. I don't know if you saw it, but in London, Ontario today, Pierre had a huge rally, 3,000 people out, at least lined up around the block to feel. On a cold Sunday in Ontario, why are folks doing that if he still doesn't have momentum? So I think the desire for change is still there,

And this election, which could come, as early as an election called next Sunday, it'll be around two questions. Who can deliver change? Is Mark Carney enough change? Or do you have to go to Pierre Palliav? And of course, for many Canadians, it will be who can handle Donald Trump and what's happening out of Washington. You were the one giving me specific times. Just curious if you can update the listener when you think we're actually going to. going to hear results on who the next leader is going to be, what you're hearing in your circles. So my, so that's just leaving stage now, and I believe you're supposed to hear from all of the other candidates. And of course, you know, the timeline I was given was 645. It's 623 at the moment. Are you going to get four politicians up on stage and off the stage? Because they're all supposed to give a quick spiel, I'm told. They were on stage already.

Brian, they were all on stage already at the very start. Good, good. I thankfully missed that. So if you're supposed to get results by 645, these things are notoriously late, so they might not come in at 645. And then throughout the week, I'm told the Mark Carney and his cabinet sworn in Tuesday or Wednesday. And possible election call March 16th for April 22nd voting day were March 23rd, an election called for April 28 voting day.

So two big chances of a snap election. Brian, you mentioned that one of the big things on voters' minds is going to be who they feel is best equipped to deal with what's happening coming out of the states.

Yeah. Have you seen much in terms of a response to what's been called out of China? No. And in fairness, that came late Friday. And it was retaliatory tariffs on us. Now, I've seen people yelling at me on X saying, you're demanding Doug Ford take all the Chinese liquor.

Okay, there's 85 brands from China sold in very few shops. And there's 3,600 brands from the United States. So it's about a billion dollars versus what made. a couple hundred thousand dollars the chinese tariffs we knew they were going to do something they regularly pick on canola and pee i'm shocked why they don't pick on our pork producers because we sell a lot of pork to them and they're based in quebec where the liberals have their home base maybe they're doing it to try and put pressure on conservative politicians their tariffs are in response to our 100 percent tariffs on their evs and i believe we put

25% tariffs on their aluminum in steel at the request of the Biden administration. So they're retaliating on us. We'll have to wait and see what governments decide to do. But look, we all should have been boycotting China and not doing as much of business with China for a long time. They and Mexico are the reasons that the United States is so upset with the way trade has worked and were collateral damage as they look around and they say, well, things used to be great and now they're not.

And it's because of our free trade agreements. If it stayed just Canada and the U.S., we wouldn't be in this mess. Well, I can't speak for everybody else here. But personally, the only thing I've gotten from China in the last several years is a virus. Yeah, you know, I try not to buy Chinese goods, but on some things, it's hard to find a replacement. And that was even in Canadian tired the other day looking for a quick, you know, kitchen gadget thing and every single type, including Canadian tires own home brand, was made in China. Can I ask Brian a question? First of all, Brian, big fan, follow you on X. I have a quick question.

I don't see this often. Why is no one talking about the fact that Mark Carney was head of transition investment for ecology when he left the Bank of England to Black Rock? And there is a kind of a crossover between when he was advising Trudeau while at Black Rock. And then Brookfield, you mean? No, no. He went to Black Rock. You could see it.

There's people from Black Rock and Vanguard that have investments in Brookfield. So I'm just wondering, why is nobody talking about this guy in terms of, I know that you have been all of you about his globalist, elitism and everything, but it's kind of significant that there are conflicting interests at play with this one leader. that we're not seeing with the others. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, the other two are irrelevant. Isn't he the godfather of Christia Freelins?

Yeah, I count too. But let's say it's, so I'm wondering, like, is this a fake thing? Like, we're going to be choosing him. I mean, you have Melanie Jolie Barbie doll that's already briefing him on like things that he shouldn't be briefed on, apparently. I don't understand it.

Why is no one covering like his conflicts of interest beyond like Canada that he's actually in bed with a lot of global investors, it would be in his best interest to become prime minister. Well, so in addition to writing for the Toronto show and being on YouTube and podcasts like this, like I'm everywhere, I was hosting for News Talk 1010, top radio station here in Toronto on Friday,

and reached out to Pierre's team when I found out he was around the corner. He came on and we talked all about this, you know, the investments that Carney has and the fact that they're not being disclosed. When Justin Frito was running for leader, MPs, he was already an elected MP and all MPs have to do a certain amount of disclosure. But Trudeau went above and beyond. So I'm going to give him credit on that.

He's running for leader. He's not leader yet. He knows people are going to ask questions about this. They went to a journalist, Glenn McGregor, who was then with the Ottawa citizen, and they said, here's all the financials. Here's the fees for every speech he's ever given. Here's where his investments are. Here's the property owns.

Do you have any questions? And McGregor laid it all out in a big piece and then published the background data and everyone could go through it. Carney will not tell anyone anything. And he hasn't been asked about it much, but when he has been, because he doesn't talk to the Canadian media. The best way to find out I'd get an answer out of Mark Carney is to invite him on an American show. just like Christy Freeland going on Bill Maher and Anderson Cooper. They're trying to win the- Doug Ford and CNN.

Well, I mean, didn't he go on one of the- We're trying to convince Americans on that point. On the liberal leadership, they're trying to win the liberal leadership by going on American media. Doug Ford and Daniel Smith going on Fox and CNN is about trying to convince Americans, hey, tariffs are bad. And both of them still talk to Canadian media because I've interviewed both of them recently. these guys won't talk to Canadian media and go on American media.

So he is, this is a guy who's about to be coronated that I've never seen someone be elected with so little vetting. It's unbelievable. I mean, he did go on the Stephen Colbert Show and they kissed his rear end like from here to high heaven basically the whole time. That seems scripted, didn't it? Late morning gone with John Stewart, didn't that? It just seems crypted. It did. It did.

You're completely right, though. What are they doing in the States? Why aren't they here with Sun Media? Why aren't they here with all these other people getting interviewed? Is it because they know that you guys are going to ask him about his investments? Is that the big canary in the coal mine for them? They get to control the entire conversation when they go on U.S. stuff because those people don't follow Canada as closely and they're going to miss some obvious pitfalls. It's basically him.

It's him playing it on easy mode. It's a very easy interview for it. So, look, even CBC and David Cochran, the host of power in politics, you know, falling ratings, failing network, but they still have an audience. And for the last several years, they have dutifully repeated every PMO talking point that handed to them. And they are handed to them. And even that guy couldn't get an interview with Mark Carney and is complaining about it on air. and saying, we'll give you 30 minutes, would not go on. Sean, sorry, are you watching, Sean?

It looks like they got an auditor going on stage with an envelope or something on the other. Sounds good. Brian, we're going to let you out of here because I promise you 10 minutes and then we'll hopefully see you after. Hopefully we can connect as soon as I'm hopefully done writing about that and then we'll connect. Sounds good, Brian. You're going to be open. It's the same link. You can just hop on.

Yeah, sounds good. Thanks, Brian. All right. Should we go live? Yeah, we can. And I'm going to bring in Grant Abraham as well. Layton, Grant, thanks for hopping in. You're into the middle of the fray.

Clapping seals. That lady looks official. I saw her walking out with an envelope or something. I thought she's the, this is the Academy Award portion right here. Oh, wait. Here. 11,134 votes resulting in 2,729 allocated points representing 8% of the vote. In first place, the next Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, with 131,674 votes, resulting in 29,457 allocated points representing 85.9%.

I love how his wife's wearing all red. I love how his wife's wearing that's insane. I can't believe he wanted in the first round. That's crazy and old. Look at how she's clapping, dude. Carpal tunnel. Carpal tunnel. What is that music?

Well, it's a coronation. We were right. It was a coronation. There's nothing. The number is don't even sound right. Like, what? You got 85% of the votes. Yeah, I think there's another Bosano behind them.

No, that's not a Bosno. Well, while we wait for him to get up on stage, we got Grant and late, and they've been patiently waiting. Boy, thanks for hopping. in. Layton, just quickly, any thoughts on Carney becoming the next prime minister? We'll probably hop back to him once he gets on stage. He's shaking hands right now. But Layton, your thoughts, and then we'll switch over to Grant as well.

Well, if you had lived through the French Revolution, you probably thought that when Robespierre lost his head, that the reign of terror was over. We're rid of Justin Trudeau, hopefully, but the reign of terror is going to go on and it's going to get worse. Things are going to get much, much worse in Canada under this guy. I think the reality of what's going on in Canada that people are missing because they're so caught up in, you know, Pierre Paul of Year of this, Max Bernier, that, Chris, you're Freeland talking about putting European nukes on Canadian soil and having the Canadian missile crisis. The real truth of what's going on here and the coronation, if we can call it, that of Mark Carney,

is it is verifiable proof of what people like me have been saying for a couple of years now. Canada is the CCP client state. We are controlled by people outside of Canada. There is no way that in the Canada that I grew up in, that someone like Mark Carney could ever become Prime Minister of Canada, having never run for anything, being someone that we know almost nothing about. He does not represent the views, the values, the ethics, the policies of the vast majority of Canadians. He's completely distanced from certainly the middle class.

The guy is an extremely wealthy man, a globalist banker. And really, his becoming our prime minister with a whimper of protest from Canadians is proof positive of the reality that we're living in in Canada is that we're not being, we're being governed by people who are not representing Canadians. They don't work for us. Canada is caught up in the midst of a global cold war between the United States and China. The United States sudden interest in us, I predicted last year, as you know, Sean, I was on your show and I talked about this.

I said that if Donald Trump became president, that we would, see a new era in which the United States would take an unprecedented interest in domestic Canadian politics. That's what's happening right now. That's what these tariffs are about, but it really has nothing to do with tariffs. It has to do with the fact that Canada is in the midst of a geopolitical storm between the United States and China. And Mark Carney is a CCP globalist chill. He is a placeholder. He is a microphone for a message. That's what Justin Trudeau was. Mark Carney is the next phase. He's somebody who actually has a brain, but he's much more dangerous.

He's much more evil. He cares even less about Canadians if that's possible than Justin Trudeau did. So we're in for some very dark days, especially when you consider that the only realistic alternative people have in this country is, you know, Pierre Polivier, who in the United States would either be a Democrat or a rhino. If you look at the five points of his policy, it's very, very important. very hard to distinguish. This is liberal light. And it shows why the CPC are the worst. If I was that guy on the comic book guy on the Simpsons,

my T-shirt would say worst opposition ever. These people lost three elections in six years. They are going to lose again if they don't change course. His policies are retaliate dollar for dollar to U.S. tariffs, a disastrous policy for Canadians. We're seeing how this is playing out. help affected workers in businesses with tariff revenue. What that is is just massive COVID-like spending,

flooding the economy, driving up inflation. And then he's talking about a tax cut, which contradicts his other policy. Scrapping the liberal anti-energy law, C-69, by the way, the court's already struck that down. So that's a nothing burger. Remove intrepidimitrivate trade barriers, which he has no constitutional authority to do,

and rebuild our military, take back control of our borders. How is he going to rebuild our military? military when we're in terror for with the United States and he's cutting taxes. And what's left out of there? Well, he's not talking about taking a strong interest in mass immigration, which is the, you know, is the one that nobody talks about, but is that source of the problem. He's not talking about cutting the size of the federal public service, which is what we need.

He's not talking about reducing public spending. He's not talking about getting us out of this ridiculous proxy war meat grinder over in Ukraine, all of these things that Canadians want to see and that people like Trump are doing, living in Canada today, to quote the late great Robin Williams, it's like living in a loft apartment over a great party. Most Canadians are looking at the United States and saying, man, I wish I could get me some of that. And Mark Carney is going to get us the exact opposite.

Before we get any thoughts on that, Grant, I want your thoughts as well. You, sir, have a, well, I don't know. Mark Carney was the Bank of England guy for what? 2013 to 2020. You're in that neighborhood. Maybe you know a little bit more on this. Well, Carney's walking up to the stage.

You got 10 seconds, 15 seconds, and then we'll switch over and we'll get your thoughts after. My apologies. Well, let me just start by saying I lived in the UK. I've done postgraduate work in post-nationalism. I watched the first battle of globalism versus the people in the UK. The British people left. my apologies

we're gonna pause you right there twos you want to bring up the video Kearney's talking right now we might as to hear what he's saying oh Jesus Christ do we even want to well I mean it is the literally the Prime Minister of Canada now right I mean

and without your love I wouldn't have the strength that I need for what lies ahead and Gray Poupon in every fridge and a Rolls Royce in every driveway Mr. Kretchen, you're enugé,

again the group and the partisans, the militants, liberal, as person can do it fair. That's embarrassing.

That's worse than my friends. This guy is the charisma of a wet rat. I mean, seriously. I don't say, Canada. So for those of you, we don't speak English, or speak French.

Basically, what he's saying right now is that he understands how difficult it is for middle class Canadian right now. Myself, I actually had to hold off on purchasing the moon until next quarter. Because of how difficult to win.

Including my father to run as a liberal candidate in Alberta in the 1980s. And Marty's right. They just keep going back. Elections are tougher than others. Now. How is Alberta people? producing people like her and Christian Freeland.

That's what I want to know. Over the years. They spit them out of Alberta. Now to have an opportunity to continue your tradition of fiscal responsibility, social justice, and international.

Did he just say that? Did he just say to the fiscal responsibility? Wow. Let him say that. First of all, there's no such thing as, there's no such thing as social justice. I know,

but that's why I'm just glad that idiots like him are saying this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Doesn't permit. me to recognize all your accomplishments. So I'll speak at a higher level. Ad scam. You have combined strength and compassion every day as a fighter for Canada. They lapped this shit up, man.

They laugh it up. How many of them are paid, though? Through some of the hard. Justin doesn't look very happy. He's ever faced. Hey, on memta, You have transformed the Canada. Transformed our

country. We love to rendering equalization forever. We just said he raised you transformed our country by raising 100,000 children out of poverty is what he just said. And in defending

the liberty and the democracy to here and higher democracy. Did he just say too? Mr. Mr. Mr.

Mr. Mr. I speak better friends than this fucking guy. We're going to go all over the world. Ashton. Like Ella Grace, LaMontseigne, your work achalny.

John Turner 2.0, mark my words. His French is only slightly better than John Turner's. To me, this is only slightly better than Emmanuel McCrower. Yeah. I just here. I'm not to say I'm going to say have your

I'm going to say I screwed up a landing like a female pilot Selvi de Serial come vote new shit I mean first of all he's only most of the country

by he's starting off by speaking in French political speech in this country should be limited to 8% French for vote devouement to rebatte on our party

and to redone Les'is or Canada. We have to rebuild our party. He's acknowledging it. I pledge to you and to all Canadians that I

will follow their example. I will work day and night with one purpose which is to build a stronger Canada for everyone. Hey, he's not mentioning Trump. Oh, this is great. I mean, I want a prime minister who speaks

pretty French. I will need help. Yeah, absolutely. It's a great language. I will need a lot of help. And so I'd like to thank Christia, Frank, and Karina for your energy and ideas and leadership that you have brought to this campaign. Oh, my God. Poor Randy Boasanoe, he put his, he bet on Christian Freeland.

I bet you he's devastated. Also to thank those ministers who remained in their post to serve Canada directly during this time of great So we're not rid of Christia Freeland. Clearly. And to the incredible group of liberal MPs that we have, you are the voices for your communities. And you are the conscience of the ministers. That's going to drive the rest of the party nuts.

I think this is great. This is the best possible outcome, guys. So helpful. This is so helpful. To give a sense of that service, I'm going to quote from a message that I, and Christian and Karina, sorry, Karina and Frank, probably from a four-year-old kid, received from someone called Bob Zettle. Now, Bob, full disclosure. I know the leader of the opposition is into full disclosure.

He's finally into full disclosure. Full disclosure. Just want to get this on the table. Yeah, you're Mr. Full disclosure. goes to my church. That's not really actually... A joke that works with Polly-Ev. I go to Bob's church because he goes there a lot more frequently than either. Anyways, point is, Bob wrote to the four candidates.

And he said, I quote, right now, everyone sees the main threat as the Trump tariffs. But the far greater... He called it Vesper. ...will be, as it always has been, to foster unity and a sense of the common good. there are those who will seek power by dividing us. Wow.

This is the exact same script that Justin Trudeau reached from. He's just another microphone. It's the same message. I love it. The same rubbish. Gaslating. His opening speech is gaslighting. A commitment.

If we voted out, Justin, why would we want another, Justin? And the respect. And the rule of law throughout the world. See, I call it love because right now. You can't have the rule of law and social justice. You're going to talk about rule of law? Like, where are the people who applaud him live? Like, where do the people there live?

Like, where have they been for the last year? They don't live intellectually. Let me ask you. Who's ready? This is great. He hasn't actually talked about this, Sean. This is not a Canadian, man. Did you see, Christia?

She was clapping like. Okay. I'm not going to be able to eat for three days, guys. I was just... Grant, I know we only got you to like... Yeah, because of the price of groceries in this damn country. I know we only got Grant for about 10 more minutes. So Grant, you were talking and then I cut you off.

Finish your thought. I know we got to you to the top of the hour, so I want to make sure that you get a few thoughts in on the conversation. Well, someone asked a rhetorical question there. Why do we need another Justin Trudeau? I can assure you from what I've seen of Mark Carney, he is infinitely more dangerous. The British referred him as the dark lord of globalism.

He is at the pinnacle of that leadership. I probably would make the distinction a little bit with what my friend Leighton has said in relation to the Chinese. I agree there is the Chinese interest in Canada. It's at play. More importantly, from my own interface with U.S. intelligence, I would say that the Americans are acutely concerned, about that much more than we are and whether you believe that that's true or not they do and I think there's a big conversation there for this discussion now because if you look at what President Trump is actually saying he's he's actually saying you will be Americans before you become a post nation a post national border on our north and I think that this is something that whatever is going on in that in that la la land there in liberal world

We really need to focus on here. We're in Alberta anyways watching now. We've had the comfort blanket of Danielle Smith pulled off of Western Canada this week with her alignment with Trudeau in relation to the tariffs. I agree with Leighton. The tariffs are a ridiculous globalist response to something that Trump is asking for us to fix that we should all want fixed as Canadians, which is the complete destruction of human trafficking and the death cult we have in our country. that is housed in organized crime in the fentanyl labs. We're not doing that.

We're getting into a fist fight with an 80,000 pound gorilla. Why are we doing that? The actual only answer for that is because we have organized crime embedded into the subculture of our governmental system. And because there's a narrative and a promise to make Canada a first post-nation state, which basically means that we will not be a sovereign people. We will simply be serfs on this land. and we're at war. This is a war.

This is why the British left the EU. And unless we start having these kinds of serious conversations, we're really not on the right ever going to really react until this country's actually lost and then it'll be too late. In my discussion, I'll go a little further here in the time that I have and just say in my discussion with the Americans, their response is, and because, I think because I ran in, the conservative leadership race in 2022.

I had the really providential favor in terms of being drawn into some, the ability to make comments into their intelligence gathering in relation to where Canada is actually at. And their perspective on this is that all options are on the table. This tariff thing that Trump's doing is not about tariffs at all. It's about first and foremost the concern about migrants, of military age being armed. If you talk to any veteran across this country and you ask them about,

and our army, by the way, is now defanged, and the real Canadian army is outside of the Canadian uniform. They're watching this very closely. And if you ask them, what's the biggest stretch of this country? They'll say two things. One, it's the arming of the military-age migrants that have come in through the U.S. or directly to Canada in whatever way they've come in. and or that plus them making a pathway for the mobilization of the Chinese to destabilize Canada

and create an access point for the northern border. And so we can talk about house prices. We can talk about groceries. We can talk about all these things. We can talk about acts in the tax. We can talk about the lunacy of the climate argument. We can talk about CO2. We can talk about all this stuff.

But this is the number one conversation in our nation, in my view. It's a discussion about post-nationalism. It's the discussion of what we are as a people and preserving our culture, values, and traditions. And we better wake up and recognize that unless we can actually see that the Conservative Party, I agree with you, Leighton, the conservative party is the same agenda. It's taking into us over the country, over the cliff's edge, just slightly slower than the liberals are. Any of their performance in the last five years,

You cited it. Again, Leighton, we've had three elections. We've had three leadership races. When have you ever heard the Conservative Party bring up the discussion about foreign interference? When have you ever heard them bring up the discussion about post-nationalism? Maybe I'm preaching to the choir here with you boys and you know that. It needs to be said, though. It needs to be said.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The tariff thing here is. No, Grant, hold on a second. You're skipping some big things here and making these wild. things. It's not because I'm defending the CPC. SNC Lavalind was foreign interference.

Sure. The Conservatives have been fighting. There are three bills between 2021 to 2024 on foreign interference from the Conservative Party. I will agree with you that Aaron O'Toole, the tool, did Jack All. Once Pierre, for example, just on things on COVID, for example, like bills that you cannot have us inject things into our bodies that were being defeated by NDP liberal coalitions, they brought up even with Chong that he was been, he's been saying this for years about foreign interference from the conservative. So I'm sorry, man. I think that you're, you're making sweeping things about the conservatives, not because they're messiahs,

because they're not. But let's let's call the facts what they are. They've been for the last five years talking about this. It's my first time on here. So let's, let's agree to be friendly and disagree on this. But if you know, no, no, I'm being friendly. I'm just saying you got to be straight. Let me respond to that. So if you look at the foreign interference. You have an NSACOP report that came out in 2019. There are members of the Conservative Party that are sit on that report. What did it come out and say? You had David McGinty come out on YouTube and say there's ample evidence of severe and sustained foreign interference. And we have had a conservative party that has never brought that to the public in relation

to a discussion. I have spoken with some of those committees off camera or in camera, if you will, myself. I've asked them why they're not ruling around naked in front of Parliament to actually bring that out to the Canadian people because that would be the first and foremost thing that you would do. It's the lowest hanging fruit in our country in relation to what should be being told to the Canadian people. And we're still not really talking about that. So that's a really big question. Why isn't that the case? It's come out, I'll grant you.

It's come out in the last six or nine months. But we have had six years of ample evidence of foreign interference and we haven't had any conservative MPs. When I ask them about it myself, just let me finish and then I'll let you tell me. But when I ask them myself about why they haven't advanced that argument in terms of making it the lowest hanging fruit for toppling the liberal government, they said it's just not in their interest right now to do that. So if you accept what I'm saying about this post-national agenda and maybe you don't, being the forefront issue in our country, which I think it is because our sovereignty is being betrayed, one has to ask why the conservative party has not been championing that. They haven't. So I'm going to agree with you.

With Aaron O'Toole, like this is why he got kicked out of the party. He's a complete imbecile as far as I'm concerned. I don't care where his stand is on the CAF and all that stuff. But 2023, people that go to my Twitter or X, they'll see the dates. It's from 2023 and 2024, especially after the Winnipeg Lab thing. Sam Cooper did a big number on this. James Michel Katsuya has been talking about this. So you're not wrong.

This has been happening for decades, but we have to call it for what it is. A lot of people just toaded the line. And at least Maxim Bernier and the conservatives are calling this out. Who's been downplaying this has been the NDP and the liberals, especially in the last two years. So I agree with you for a long time. They didn't do nothing.

This is what Katsuya said, that basically the last three governments knew about all this interoperations. and basically did nothing for political advantage. You're right on that. But we don't have a glass ball, and I don't play ex nilio. I don't know what's going to happen when this new government comes in and measures that they're going to enact. So we're all entitled to our points of views.

I respect that that's what you think. I think in the end of the day, I want to see what they're going to do when they come in. Like Marty said, they don't do what they say. I'm completely blackpilled. I'm politically homeless at that point. And that's fair enough. And I think everyone has a spectrum of coming into alignment with the evidence that's been out in the country for a long time. And what I'm saying is there is an incremental increase in the absence of a response since 2019, maybe before.

I think a lot of people in Canada didn't even understand what post-nationalism was. The last time I sat in front of Maxine Bernier, which was November 23, I asked him what it was. He didn't even know what it was. So I don't really think that that's a thought leadership in fairness. And I think that if I had been the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada as a government awaiting, that would have been the lowest hanging fruit to create the storming of the Liberal Party in terms of betrayal of the country. And one has to ask about why that omission has happened for so long. And still, it's still a fringe argument in terms of what post-nationalism means coupled with foreign interference.

And at some point, one connects the dots and says, hey, there's a, there's a bigger discussion here about what they're not doing. Just a view. Just a question. I just want to ask you a question. You definitely read the Hogue report, right? Yeah. Can you explain to me and maybe all of us? I read it.

It was damning. Why is it that it was so downplayed then if this is such a hot topic? Why is it now, like you said, bottom of conversation? Well, if my view of the Hogue report was that it actually was. was dismissive of conservative participation in foreign interference. And that's why it simply fell off the radar screen. But Pierre was in the House of Commons saying, name them. Name the people that are in my party that are doing this.

Okay. And he's also saying, why won't Paul Eev get his security clearance so he can actually read the full Encyclope reports? Because he would be gagged. And that's also on my ex. So let's say that he would be gag. Yeah, I get you. And this is the conversation I hear all across the country the last two years when

I talk about this with people, but from a legal perspective, there is a discussion about laws that can be broken. And then anybody here who's actually engaged in a deeper thought about those legal defenses, there are other higher forms of law like necessity and defense of the nation that actually take you outside of those lower level laws that say, hey, you know what, you might be breaking a national secret. So Pierre Pahliav can't say it because he'll go to jail for 14 years. But if we had Chinese troops coming over this, over the hills, in wherever in Canada, and yes, it's illegal to shoot them unless they're betraying the nation or invading the country. And so when I look as a parallel here, and you're citing this law that he'd be breaking

and why he can't actually tell us what's in the report, even though he's the loyal opposition, if he actually looked to any lawyer, the lawyer would say, hey, you have an actual defense here of necessity because you're preserving. the country by breaking that law. Let's get a legal opinion on that real quick. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before we go any further, Marty, you got to hop off. I got to let you out.

I got two guys sitting in the background. This is fascinating. I got, so Marty, quickly, thanks for hopping on. Any thoughts before I let you out of here? Yeah, I'm just sad that Freeland didn't win. She was my candidate. But no, in all fairness, this is, I think this is the best outcome. I hope

whoever mentioned it earlier I hope there is a snap election because I think Carney cannot it won't be able to stand up to Puellyve as a you know as a participant in the House of Commons sitting in the gallery

so I'm happy with the outcome and then I hope that we go to the polls as quickly as possible but yeah I appreciate everybody's time appreciate everybody follow Marty on X yes yeah Everybody already is. Thanks, Marty. Thanks, Marty.

Thanks, guys. Graham. By the way, if you need me to go at any point, just let me out. Well, actually, I got three people and a fourth coming in. We're going to clear out a whole chunk of the roster. Vesper, you've been in for a chunk. But Grant, just to finish off the point, did you want to, I know you had to tell top of the hour.

We just hit top of the hour. I want to make sure that I don't overstay. Welcome. Well, thank you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for the conversation. I am a lawyer, so I do have a view. I'm interested. I see Leiden Bob in his head, and I'd like to actually really hear Layton's response because he's a thought leader here in this legal world in Alberta. And I think it would really help your listeners to hear what he has to say based on what I'm suggesting is the case in relation to why Polyev isn't actually getting the security clearance, which hopefully for my friend there, Vesper Digital, I don't know your first name.

he adds it into the mix in terms of assessing if there's actually a compromise and why things aren't being talked about and that's the respectful question for you, sir. It's just to say you start getting so many of these things that add up and you get to the place where it's hard not to see intent. After Layton says what he has to say,

I'll give you my point and I'm going to hop off. Sure. Appreciate it. Leighton. And then to Chris, David, Ken and Dust, sitting in the background. We'll have you in here shortly. Layton, fire away. Well, I think from my earlier comments, it's pretty obvious that I agree with grants, frightening but fascinating analysis of what's going on. On the issue of necessity, you know, as somebody who's practiced criminal law for a long time, I would use this example.

Imagine a woman with a baby in the back of her car was parked in front of a bank. The bank robber has gone in and shot up all the tellers. and has a bag of money, jumps in the car, points his gun at the woman, and says drive. On a strict criminal law analysis, she is a, she is a, she has a party to the bank robbery and the murder. However, because she is being forced to drive that car away, because she's being forced in the position of the getaway car driver, she has a legal defense of necessity. She's acting in a way to preserve her life, her liberty and the safety of her baby. In this metaphor, that baby is the Canadian public.

And so I agree with Grant's analysis that really Pierre Paulyar has a dead-bang defense, which is necessity. And it's a very fascinating analysis. And it's a point that I agree with Grant. I don't want to say, I think the other gentleman is correct that, In some ways, the CPC has been active in terms of trying to point things out, point out corruption. But I think a lot of that, to me, to my mind, has the color of trying to score political points. It isn't vested in a place where it needs to be.

And that is being in the position of someone who is the leader of the loyal opposition, loyal to the country, loyal to Canadians, trying to preserve our safety, our sovereignty, our freedom, our prosperity. I don't, in my respect to you, I am not persuaded that Mr. Polivier that that's where his mind is. His mind and his heart is leading a party that wants to have the same power that the liberal party has right now, but to exercise it differently. And what I need to see and what I think the country needs is to rethink the entire

structure of political power and the way it's exercised in this country. And I'm very concerned that our newly minted prime minister, because he's promised to do it, is going to declare an emergency based upon this phony terror forward with the United States and that we're not going to get a free and fair election. We haven't had a free and fair election in this country, arguably since at least 2015. We know that 2019 and 2021 elections were compromised by foreign interference. But are we going to get a free and fair election? Are the liberals actually going to resist the temptation to cheat, having cheated in every possible way over the past 10 years? So these are concerns that I have.

And I'm not throwing rocks in Mr. Polivier. He's a very talented person in many ways. He has my respect and admiration. He's one of the best orators in Canadian Parliament that we've seen in a very long time. But I'm not convinced that he has the stuff of leadership, the kind of leadership that Canadians really need right now. Vesper, you've been patiently waiting for your chance to respond. And then we'll let the three of you out.

Appreciate you guys giving us some time today. Yeah. So, Grant, my name's Elijah, by the way. Hi, Elijah. Pleasure to meet you. Pleasure to meet you, sir. Likewise. Listen, there's a lot of arguments from silence happening here.

And you guys are basing it off of patterns, which I understand. I work in crisis management and marketing and PR. Okay, I've marketed and helped companies across the U.S. and Europe. I understand. I don't have to be a lawyer to understand what technique and strategy is in terms of public relations and messaging. If the person is firing and calling out, you can't have this and this. If I'm hiding something and then in the House of Commons saying, name the people that are in my party, I have no problem. Let's not forget the prime minister knows the names.

The prime minister could say all the names and he's chosen not to say any of the names. So there's a reason why we want Pierre Pauliev to get that security clearance. And you're right. he could get it and probably find a way to legally fight it. And all that is is a throttle. If I'm playing a game of chess with somebody that's going to throttle my rook, my night, my whatever, my job is to cut past all his bullshit and find the easiest path to victory. And we had the discussion last time with twos and Sean about this.

This is about winning. I'm sorry, all I'm hearing is ideology here, idealism, like what we want, what is right, what it should be. The whole point is winning for me. My job is to win. when I win and I get an office in a position of power, I can then do things that had I said before, could have been literally mitigated and weaponized against me.

So let's just put it on the table. On an ethical standpoint, both of you are correct. But if you are going to win this, this is not how you win this. It's not because I don't believe in ethics. I've said before I've a Christian, but if you're going to wage war, information war, political war, any of this stuff, the last thing you need is to put more hurdles in front of you. If you want to play this the way to win it,

there's one way that Pollyette could have played that to win it. And it's to get the security clearance and then say, okay, thank you for all this paperwork. Thank you for all this paperwork. I just need to pour it here real quick. Press conference. It's this guy.

It's this guy. It's this guy. I'm sorry. That's I disagree with you. I dare you. I disagree with you. That's idealism because this is not tactical. You are fighting a landscape.

That is absolutely tactical. Wait, hold on. Let me tell you why. Everybody fed up with politicians. Well, let me tell you why disagree with you at least. See, if this was like, if we were talking Trump, right, we have a mini Trump here. It's called Maxin Bernier, where he states radical opposition views on the way things are right now. The landscape of the United States is mostly conservative, okay?

It's just that they're lazy and they haven't really stepped up. And the last election, I think they throttled it. Okay. And they gave it to Biden. But that's not the point here. We are a socialized, liberal-minded nation that at the, control. the entire apparatus of media is controlled basically by liberal thought process. And I wouldn't,

I would even say extreme liberal thought process at this point funded by the government. I mean, even Elon Trump, you didn't forget this, Steve, when he called them 69% government funded, okay? There's a whole lot of enemies against you. And the last thing you want to do is fall into any of these traps. So I'm sorry. You're saying, do this, this, this, this, like as if it's a one, two punch.

No, it's not. You're playing with snakes. But you've got to say the thing we're missing in Canada is we don't talk about the truth. And what you just say about Canada being essentially liberal, that's exactly why we're having a conversation in the West about separating and stopping paying all the bills for Canada. And this is exactly the conversation that we need to have across the country because what you don't see when you have this conversation,

maybe you just put it into that little pocket of political pragmatism, is the entire electoral system is imbalance. towards Ontario and Quebec, and the West is paying for it. So there's going to be a burst. I agree. I completely agree. And why aren't we talking about? And I'm from Quebec in case you don't know that, Grant. Well, that's okay.

I mean, I'd like to see our country stay together. I'd like to see our country see together. But until we actually start talking about the truthful issues about what's going on here, and we get away from that kind of political pragmatism, we're shipwrecking. And the choice is post-nationalism or Americans because that logic is what has led us to this binary choice. And the only question for Canadians is, where are we going to capitulate? You know, boys, I appreciate this conversation. And if we want to do it again and we want to have it, have it, I'm all for it.

I'm all for it. Can I just get my final thoughts out before I bounce? You got a minute and then I appreciate it, Grant. I appreciate. Sean Newman and the timekeeper. Well, it's one of the things that when you put on a live stream, and Vesper, I'm going to let you bounce here. One of the things about sitting here is I'm like,

I'm looking at all these wonderful people. That's why we bring you on, because this is what I want. I'm sitting here, I'm going like, Vesper, the last time you came on, we sat for an extra hour, Tuesday knows it, because I was like, it was the best part of the live stream. It was after when we said, are there any final thoughts?

And then it went for another hour afterwards. That's right. So Vesper, you got a minute. And then I'm going to let you exit. But we appreciate having you on Vesper as we do, Leighton. Yeah. And I want to say this to Layton. Dude, I'm not contrarian, right?

My whole thing is I enjoy game theory. And I understand the nuances of legal challenges and so on and blah, blah, blah. I do favor the CPC, but not for the reasons people think. I'm voting for a lesser of two evils. Let's put it this way. It's not that there is no problems. Okay. There are a problem.

For example, I don't care what you do in terms of laws for Canada. What parliamentary reforms will you be doing? That's what I'm looking for, right? I like the sound of that. Does that make sense? But we don't really know the climate of what will happen. We're just basing it off of history on what we're going to expect. I don't work that way because trends, especially these days, I'm sure all of us would agree,

change sometimes on an hour's notice. Things can just flip right away. My message to Canadians is that you're right, the conservatives have failed multiple times, especially on foreign interference for the past. God knows how long, maybe back to Pierre Trudeau. But for Pierre Pauly,

you have to stand up in the House of Commons, call out all the things that everyone is dissenting about. There's a dissonance here between, well, if he's calling them out and he's not accepting, for example, this thing, there's maybe a possibility that he's playing some kind of a game with these people. And in order to win against the weaponized system that has media, that has the government, that has the NDP, maybe you need to keep some of those cards to your chest instead of going,

like Tews calls it Frank Castle style and just blasting your way out of things like the Punisher. I think they need to be more methodical because they are dealing with very bad actors. And I think you're right. maybe he could be a little bit more transparent on things but i think even then the population Sean is just maybe not ready for that kind of truth once i get into power watch me make the changes that i need to make with this with a super majority even a majority things can pass really quick that's it that's my statement best for having me on thank you for coming in from quebec i always always appreciate the the quebec thought process and as always

you've been a welcome guest here multiple times. So thanks, Fasper for ha. Orvoir. Okay. Layton, this has been, you know, I invite you on for a certain time. And then it's just been a full meal deal. I got four people sitting in the back. I'll give you 30 seconds if you have any final thoughts.

And then we'll bring everybody else in. Well, I think I just leave people with this. With all the respect to the other opinions that have been here, I think what I urge your viewers and listeners to do is to, is to reconsider the concept of Canada. You have to sort of understand where we're living, the country we're living in now, and not think of it in terms of getting back

to some sort of healthy on days. As Graham was saying, we have to move forward. We have to rethink Canada. If there is a way forward for Alberta, especially, and for Alberta within Canada, we've got to think really seriously about what that's going to look like.

and it certainly is not the vision that Mark Carney has. And frankly, even the vision that Pierre Polivier has is not very attractive to Alberta. So I would just encourage people, you know, be courageous. Think outside the box. We've got to rethink this if we're going to redesign our country and make it prosperous and free like it says in our national anthem. Well, Leighton, appreciate you hopping on. We're going to let you out as well. And we're going to go to a whole new cast of characters.

Thanks for doing this. and giving us some time tonight. It's a privilege. Thank you. Thanks, Leighton. Now, if you're new to this thing and you're like, what did I just enter into, maybe you missed it. Carney has been, is now the liberal leader. He is now the prime minister of Canada.

I mean, he's getting sworn in here, whatever. It doesn't matter. We got a whole cast characters. First, David Knight-Lag, thanks for hopping in from the UK. You've been waiting patiently. I appreciate that. We got Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. We've got my brother, Dustin Newman,

coming in from Lloyd Minster, business owner, and Ken Rutherford coming in from Saskatchewan as well. So we got a whole new cast of characters. You guys have been sitting in the background listening to this entire... Thank you for that, guys. I appreciate the patience. Now, um... Ken, turn your phone sideways.

Yeah, if you can turn it sideways, Ken, we'd appreciate... There you go. Perfect. I guess I'm going to start with Chris Sims, and then I'm going to go to David, and then I'll get to everybody else, not to do it in that order. Just that's how I had it laid out on the old timesheet.

Chris, Carney is the... next liberal leader, or he is the liberal leader, which means he is the next prime minister of Canada. What are your thoughts? And then we'll go over to David. Well, there's a lot going on in my head right now. I just finished watching him climb off the stage and get a huge bear hug from prime minister, outgoing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the former Liberal Prime Minister Jean Crechen. They're all on the ground there in Ottawa. I'm curious to know how many people are there. I didn't see a full wide backed off shot. So it's hard to compare to his earlier rallies.

But a few things. One, procedurally, like you pointed out, he has to be sworn in by the Governor General. So what has to happen now is that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau needs to take a little walk. I don't know if there's snow on the ground in Ottawa to the Governor General and say, I'm resigning. And then the Governor General needs to pretend she doesn't know

and say, do you have any recommendations for your successor? and then he's going to say, yeah, there's this guy Mark Carney who just won my party leadership. And then she will swear him in on behalf of King Charles III. Bango, he is now then prime minister. Going forward, I had my kind of politician, universal translator on in my head when I was listening to his acceptance speech. And he said, we need to build things that we have never built before in order to strengthen our economy. Like pipelines. One would think, right, twos?

But we've built pipelines before. We haven't built mega windmill farms or something crazy off the shore of our coastlines or, I don't know, solar panels that cover all the prairie. Like, I don't know what he means by that. Hopefully he means pipelines and to some extent nuclear reactors because then we'll actually have power. But if you read his book, which I strongly recommend every single Canadian picks up and reads because he lays out exactly what he thinks. he thinks more than 80% of our oil and gas needs to stay in the ground. Like he says this directly. He wants the carbon tax.

He said he's going to get rid of the divisive consumer carbon tax. What he didn't say, again, translating, is he's just going to hide it in the industrial carbon tax and then crank the hell out of it. He also didn't mention his carbon tax tariffs that he's going to nail all of our imports with coming into Canada. He campaigned on this. So we're in for some hurt economically speaking. Can you explain the carbon tax tariffs a little bit better? For sure.

So Carney, again, all through his book, like carbon taxes are like a keystone to his worldview. Okay. He was born in the Northwest Territories. He moved to Edmonton and he was six. He got his undergrad at Harvard in economics. He got his Ph.G. in economics from Oxford. Okay?

He was the governor of the Bank of England and the governor of the Bank of Canada. Reverse order. Okay. So he's a very globalist type person. He sees everything in a global nature. Two's to your point. When he sees other countries that don't have carbon taxes, the way Canada virtuously does, he gets upset. And so he wants to punish those other countries with an import tax, also known as a tariff, a carbon import tax.

so that say their widgets like oranges from Florida are coming into Canada, he will then hit them with a carbon tax tariff, making them even more expensive. And he said this apart and above what's happening between us and U.S. President Trump. He sees this as part of his long-term plan for Canada. So economically speaking, I'm really worried for Canadians because 50% of them are broke right now. can't afford anything. And so I'm very worried about him, especially from the carbon tax perspective. David Knightleg, you've been patiently waiting. Your thoughts on Carney being coronated tonight and anything that's stuck out to you. Thanks for joining us from the UK. Yeah, look, the first thing that

struck me was a Christian Freeland only pulled 11,000 votes. I mean, that is extraordinary indictment. And I'm, I'm glad there's an indictment of that because I think that she has done, she's been a wrecking ball in the public fisc and on a lot of issues and I've written a bit about that, but particularly on the issue of terror, the lack of enforcement of our terror financing laws against the IRGC and others, and then the utilization of those laws illegally and unconstitutionally against the Freedom Convoy and people that donated to it. And, you know, she has created one of the biggest black eyes on Canadian civil rights history outside of Canada that our press seems uniformly uninterested in exploring. Our judges and our courts aren't exactly known for being

conservative proceduralists and they found it immediately unconstitutional. So it was good. I feel like there's a mitigation in the fact that she did so poorly. I think that Mark Carney has a problem coming up because I think he's been protected by a press that's desperately worried that if Pierre Poliev wins, they're going to be defunded. We're going to move away from the state-owned media, banana republic structure that we're currently under. And when you're no longer required to kiss up to the people that give you your paycheck every week, you'll be more engaged in discovering whether or not Mark Carney told the truth

about how and why he moved his office to Brook, his Brookfield office from Toronto down to New York. He'll be more engaged on his work at GFans, the UN, what exactly he got up to with the net zero rules and his involvement with ESG. I met him actually when I was working on getting the ESG rules that were screening against the application of finance into the oil sands at HSBC and Royal Bank. Yeah, we had five or six of the banks and a few of the insurers and some of the reinsurers and I was doing that work back and forth in London. The NDP didn't like that. Tried to make a scandal out of it.

But I think what we ran into, we went and saw Mark Carney in his last day at Bank of England. And one of the issues that I raised with him at the time, which I think is going to be a problem for him because of his response was I said to him, you know, you've got these finance rules that are punitive against free market shareholder-led, democracy-based companies that develop and produce our fuels, oil, gas, mining. Those rules do not apply in any way to all the state-owned enterprises which sit on top of about 80% of the global supply of oil and gas. And I said, so what's happening is we have this compliance problem. You're imposing all these

rules which you think will be good for the planet. It's tying the hands of the 20% of the global supply that are managed by the United States and Canada, principally a few Western European countries. And it's doing nothing to curtail the production or enforce any kind of environmental requirements on the despotic states. Russia, Iran are the two largest gas suppliers. And he said, you know, David, I'm not the politician. You know, and I was floored by that because I thought we were going to engage in a good faith conversation about the fact that these rules were one dimensional and they were being imposed against and screening against only the production of shareholder like Pessie.

So every every one of the rules that we ran into in Alberta that were misunderstood in Europe, particularly around ESG, were backed by this UN World Economic Forum consensus that they were doing the right thing for the planet because they're imposing these rules on a domestic emissions basis. And this farcical view that it's called global warming, not domestic warming, right? you can't do anything with the current liberal party fixation on reducing our domestic emissions. But this has been the pattern and the blueprint of Mark Carney's approach to climate from the beginning. And he wants to disown it when it gets hot in the kitchen. And this is why I'm relatively

bullish on the election that I think something is going to happen relatively quickly because the liberals know that Mark Carney, unless he's protected by the press and can run a very quick campaign is going to be in a lot of trouble when he starts to get interrogated by someone that's done enough retail politics as Pierre Polyef and someone who's had to fight against the tide of the liberal attempt to create a consensus and wrap a Canadian flag around liberal left ideology and pretend that that's a Canadian candidate first position. Pierre is going to start to rumble that, I think. And Sean, podcasts like yours are going to be key to it because people are tired of and do not trust mainstream media. And I wrote a note on the effect.

of the podcast with some data wrapped around it on what happened with the Trump campaign and their need to end the coronation of Kamala Harris when it moved from being a Democratic Party event to a national election and just how important the podcast where it's shifting that opinion, particularly in key demographics. So I think number one, I'm thrilled to see Christian Freeland. I hope that it ends her career. I think she's been terrible for Canada. I hope she goes off for the sunset. I think Mark Carney is going to answer for his climate and his fiscal mismanagement in his attempt to sort of shield himself by being in the background as an advisor won't work. And I'm hopeful that Pierre and the conservative team have a very strong tactical game that includes

podcasts and just getting Canadians to talk about these issues openly without a politically correct mainstream government-funded press. David, I think you hit the nail on the head on a lot of it. I want to push back slightly. I know we got Canon Dust to get to just real quick. I think you're presuming under your, you're. proceeding under the presumption that the reason why Christian Freeland wasn't voted for by the mass of the liberal voters is the same set of reasons that you would not vote for her.

And I would argue that, and I mentioned this before just briefly, but she broke the cardinal rule of being an occult. Rule number one is you never question the leader. You never question the leader's message. You never push back on the leader. The leader is infallible. And the only thing that you can never be forgiven. for in a cult is to go against that.

And that's what she did when she didn't let herself be fired when she quit first, said she wasn't going to put forth the budget. She said that she wasn't going to stand with the cult leader anymore. And I would argue that that's why she did so poorly in this election. I'll give you that. I think that's a really insightful thing. I think she is sort of the Lady Macbath of the play. You know, she did his bidding until it no longer suited her.

I think she was scared senseless of having to stand up and say it's shot up to $62 billion. I think her career was actually over one way or another, right? And I think what she hoped was that she could create enough drama around being seen to be publicly walking away from the prime, from a deeply popular in prime minister. By the way, I just saw that have you guys seen this latest, uh, global poll that came out? Trudeau is negative, is his negative ranking is 61. He's minus 31 on the, uh, on the, um, on the negative positives as a leader. Trump is plus four now. And he's beating by,

pardon me? In Canada? No, Americans like Trump, a plus four Canadians like Justin Trudeau minus 31. He's over 60% negative. I just think that we've got a, you know, I'll be very interested to see how Mark Carney starts to present when he's not being given the talking points and being allowed to get away with the reconstruction

of his personality, but I'm very bullish having watched him a couple times. Leaning up against the bar getting the semiconductor stuff completely wrong. You know, I think he's been a bureaucrat for too long. I think he's forgotten what it meant to be a banker, and I think he's going to get called on it by pure. Ken, I know you've got to be out of here, I thought, by 530, and I've waited until 527 to get you in, and Dost, I appreciate you hanging on here. Ken, quick thoughts, and if you got to jump, just jump.

We won't hold it against you. Oh, that's fine, Sean. My quick thoughts, I'm just learning actually from all the great people you have on here, Sean. And for myself personally as a Westerner, I'm kind of, you know, I look at this as more of a game. It's, this isn't real, you know, where we have, like aren't Carney and Freeland lifelong friends, both involved with the World Economic Forum, you know, to say that they're opposed to each other, hate each other, sunk each other, or against each other, I just don't buy it. you know, I look, you can't get any more globalist than a Carney, right?

Like I did some research, Sean, for this. It's worse than I thought, right? I mean, we've got, you know, Bank of Canada governor, Bank of England governor, Bilderberg Group, you name it. And then, you know, maybe for Chris Sims to jump in because she seems to know a lot about everything, actually. Is there actually a link? Yeah, a link from Frank McKenna, the former liberal premier for New Brunswick.

I want to say he's the current. chair of TD Bank and of Brookfield management where Carney comes out of. And the TD Bank, where they not just find over $3 billion for money laundering. You know, and I start to put all those things together. And Chris, am I right in that? Chris Sims? That TD Bank was recently gone after? Yeah, that's been in mainstream media for sure. And I don't know if those two gentlemen know each other or work together. I can find out. But yeah, TD Bank has been in the news for that. Well, I believe Frank McKenna is, this is maybe something to test. I'm just, I'm not too wrapped up in this.

I'm kind of a Western, Western-focused person, but I believe Frank McKenna is the current chairman of the TD Bank and of Brookfield. I'd have to see how much they work together. Generally speaking, these folks have known each other usually at least a decade. Yeah, there's always linked to. I guess for me, you know, Sean, a lot of your discussions, Sean recently have been on either Western independence or Alberta independence or relations with the United States.

And as a good friend of ours, Sean often says, is no place comes from a change of comfort. And when I look at the current state of Canada with what are we up to 2,500 guns removed on a gun grab since 2020, taxes have lost count of how many taxes, poverty and Canadian households, what is it, 60% of mortgages are to be, opened up in 2025 or 2026 into the highest interest rate environment.

Canadians are about to be squeezed extremely. And last week, what do we have? We had the legal case for the prorogation of Parliament, which Sean, a common friend us was one of the lawyers on that case. That was lost. And the class action lawsuit against the truckers was given the Green Lake to go ahead. So when I look at all of this, I just see rough road ahead. and I used to be maybe fearful, actually, of that.

I don't think I am anymore, because the only way that we're going to get change is when people get squeezed, and I think we're about to get squeezed. That's my thoughts. Anybody else can slice and dice on that, but that's my quick thoughts. Well, Dust, I better, I've been holding off on you now

for a full half an hour, maybe even longer than that. Call that brotherly love folks. Dust, your thoughts? I just look at it as, with Carney, what's he going to do next here? My thoughts are once he gets in is he has to call an election.

I know that you and I have had discussions about that in the last couple of months shown. And if he pushes off the election at all, I think that he'll suffer because of that. And the Canadian public will scream out especially because he's not elected in a formal

federal race. But if he calls an election, which I expect, that's the real turning point in Canada one way or another, because if he gets in, there's nothing good coming out of Kearney when it comes to taxes, developing our country, increasing exports, having a smart policy to deal with China and the U.S. who've both announced tariffs against us. I just don't see it going good any which way, and the risk of Western separation, I think, increases exponentially.

Opportunity of Western separation? Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, and then versus if Poliyev gets in, I think obviously everything quietes down on that front to a certain extent. Not that I'm certain he can lead us through these rough waters. I'm really not certain of that because there's a lot of strain and pressure when it comes to this country. But I think he's at least better position to have a positive effect, whereas I don't think Carney will have any. So I'm not totally sold on Poliyev. I don't know how good of a job you'll do or whether they'll be able to solve a bunch of the issues, but I think at least you'll have a shot at it.

Chris, David, Ken, feel free. I don't know how long I have all of you because I have one point in time said, you know, we're going to have you from this time, this time. And I've absolutely butchered that. Welcome to a live stream, I guess. But feel free to hop in. We got, we got Carney is going to be the next Prime Minister of Canada as a foregone conclusion. I think a lot of us have been saying that for multiple weeks, and it's basically here.

Yeah, I have a quick thought, Sean, which is I think, look, no matter how the election goes one way or another, he's either going to be the prime minister or he's going to be the leader of the opposition, right? I mean, it's going to be one of those two, I think. Assuming he wins his seat. Do you think he's going to stick around? If you win his seat, David? I don't know, but I'll make the, I'll draw sort of the conclusion. conclusion from that point and then we'll see if that because Chris you would know better than me

perhaps but but I do think that we're in a very unusual moment right now where people that I was just talking to some people in in Ontario and a couple people in Quebec because I'm quite keen to see if we can use this moment to convene some people to get some pipelines agreed politically because there's enough antagonism towards the United States some of it I think is misguided but it's irrelevant what I think. What I know that I can work on is seeing if we can channel that towards a political consensus

that would mean that we can lock down a couple critical opportunities. And one of them, I think, would be an industrial corridor short-shortening the regulatory requirements for pipelines. There's enough kind of public consensus. The poll numbers are strong enough where somebody like Mark Carney will be scared to cross.

If we can get him on the, if we can use this moment to get people that otherwise have been, you know, sort of oppositional or hand waving around the stuff to really lock in and commit to it as part of using all this sort of anger and frustration about the current situation with states to go coast to coast. I think it's a great opportunity for Canada to do that. I think it's a great opportunity for us to make a commitment to a reformed NATO. I mean, watching somebody like Christopher-Freeland say, just watch me fund NATO in two years. tells me that the most extreme and least reliable part of the liberal party has shifted so far.

You know, they don't make those statements about doing the internal polling. I think that there's an opportunity on security and opportunity on energy and opportunity to shortcut some things and get some commitments that could really be beneficial to our energy security, our relationship to the states and our coast-to-coast infrastructure. And I think right now is a good moment to sort of look past the theater of the election and get, whether you're conservative or liberal, lock in some strong voices on making these commitments now so that we get outcomes that we need

because I don't know that we're going to have as good an opportunity to get that commitment locked in in another time than what we have right now. So if I can to jump in on exactly on your point, if you were to do that, I would argue, you would need Parliament to sit for a bit because you would need to get the laws passed. much so. Because if we go to a writ drop right away, and this isn't up to us, this is up to

Prime Minister, designate Mark Carney now, the incoming dude, okay? If he decides to drop the writ right away, we won't have any question periods or tabling of motions or any of that stuff. We're going straight to an election. And that also means because it's, as it's called in the business the silly season, certain things can take over the narrative of mainstream media, especially during a federal election. And we can't guarantee whether or not an energy corridor will be one of them. And who's to say that even if they make the promise to do so on the election campaign, that they'll keep that promise. Very likely not. Politicians break their promise all the time, especially ones that are made in the heat of an election. So to your point, if we wanted to take advantage of a problem right

now in order to get some important stuff done like an energy corridor, Parliament would have to sit. And they would have to hammer that out and pass the legislation now. And that's a pretty uphill battle because you got to get that thing through the Senate. And the Senate is completely stacked with Trudeau's Driftwood now. Like he has completely dominated the Senate appointments. And they're pretty ideological. So I don't know. I want that to be true. Trust me. I want an East West Energy Corridor. I want that to be true. But in order to make it true, you would at least have to have Parliament sit and you'd

have to find a way to get it all the way through Parliament quickly. And I don't know if the Trump fever, if I can call it that, will last that long. Because his big date for all of his secretaries, what we would call cabinet ministers in Canada, but for all of his secretaries to report back to him on international trade issues and relations on their trade relationships for tariffs is April 1st for the whole world. So this thing could go hard and fast for the next three weeks. So when it comes to actually getting something like an energy corridor, and this is why I talk about Canada actually staying together, is like energy corridors are absolutely needed for

the long-term health and growth of the country. But when I look at someone like Carney, he has no interest whatsoever. you know, you talk about his book, Chris, like he has no interest in developing the resources of Canada and getting it to market. So then it comes down to, well, does Poliev support something like that? And I think he probably does. And that would actually hold Canada together and actually develop synergies between the provinces and grow the provinces together. But if the liberals win the next election or if the election gets pushed off because Carney wants some time, as Prime Minister first,

the, you know, Western separation is absolutely on the table because there's no future in the country when there's no development. And so, you know, you go, well, we could maybe get some commitments ahead of the election or from the candidates during the election,

but I just don't see the liberals or the NDP supporting anything like that whatsoever. So it really is a key moment in this country to decide which way we're going to head whether it's towards separating the country up into different parts or whether we're actually going to build something together. Have any of you guys, sorry to just spitball this, Sean, have any of you guys heard whether or not they're considering not going as far as Quebec?

I don't even know if that's geographically possible, given how deep the seaport needs to be for refineries? Like, is there any possible way of just doing this out the St. Lawrence Seaway and not going all the way to Quebec? I doubt it. I'm imagining you probably need bigger tankers coming in there. they need to have a deep sea port, they need to be at least get to New Brunswick. They need to get to St. John. Is that the case?

I don't know that answer. Okay. I think it would have been brought up as an opportunity if that were possible. The St. Lawrence Seaway is quite shallow and much more narrow, obviously, than what is available in the province of New Brunswick, but wouldn't that be nice where you could just, it's just south of Ottawa. It's like an hour south of Ottawa right where the terminal there is in the St. Lawrence Seaway, and you wouldn't need to deal with the Quebec. I'm going to bring in one more if we can. Okay.

James. Well, actually, he's military. All right. Jim, welcome to the show. Oh, you got to unmute yourself, Jim, because he's texting me as we go. And maybe Jim can, can, there you are. Yeah, fire away, Jim. You're texting me.

You might as well address Chris directly. Well, thanks for letting me on here with all these great guests that know way more than me. But I have sailed a sailboat through the Great Lakes, and you've got to go through the Wellington Canal. there's a series of locks to to get down there and they're there's old like they're they were made for bringing in wheat ships for hauling wheat that paul martin i think would own but nowhere near the size for a tanker like an oil tanker to be filled but uh you can lay the like the water like the you could lay the line on the seat on the lake floors and then bypass the canals and

and carry it right to newfoundland if you wanted like i'm sure there's ways of doing that. I'm glad I asked that then. And I like your t-shirt. Is that Reky? Like to go do a Reky in a place? Re-gone. Okay. Nice. I love it. I was raised military. Well, for the listener, I think most, I see a bunch saying, you know, welcome Jim and everything else. But Jim's been on the show law. It's 34 years in the Canadian military. You come highly decorated Jim with your background. And you just, you say I'm not, you know, I'm learning and everything else. I look at this cast and I'm like, there's a reason why we invited you all. It's because you all have something to offer to the conversation.

Now that being said, we're closing in on the 6 o'clock hour here. You know, we're roughly 20 minutes away. David, I have no idea what time that is for you. How much time do you have left? Because once upon a time we had a certain window. The same goes for Ken. The same goes, if nobody's stopping me, I'm going to keep this going until the top of the hour. But if you have to hop out, now's the time to say something.

So I can let you out here and get a final word in. No, look, a jet lag is great that way. The hour is sort of slightly irrelevant. back in Calgary in a couple days. It's 20 to midnight here. There you go. Well, okay. Well, nobody's saying I'm getting off.

So Tews help me out here. Like, right now I'm like, I don't know even where to go. I look at all this. I'm like, we're all acting like, okay, Carney's in. And, you know, like the conversation we had with Vesper and the lawyers going on was that Pierre's playing a long game. No, Tuz wants to hop in. Fire away. Well, you just told me to hop in.

I did. I'll tell you to hop in. Okay. All right. So this is me hopping in. I feel like, you know, with all due respect to everybody, you guys are looking at it in a vacuum. And that's not where things happen. The pieces are moving all around on every side.

And, you know, we were talking earlier about how the NDP has bet the farm, not a literal farm because they're the NDP. And they haven't got their hands dirty in 70 years. but they bet a figurative farm on this attack ad, which hinges on things happening very quickly in terms of an election. And the other thing is that the liberals aren't going to want to give parliament a chance to vote no confidence. So they're going to jump right out of the gate and say they're going to say dissolve parliament before they can lose a no confidence vote, which is going to make them look even worse.

And so in an effort to save face and be like, you can't fire me, I quit. They're going to do the you can't fire me, I quit. And that election is going to happen the first chance they have. They're not going to, they've got an uphill battle as it is. And they really have to get that election in during Karnie's honeymoon period.

where he's up on, oh, it's the new face, it's the new name, it's the new liberals, despite the fact that he said there was nothing new about them other than just him. And then also, they need to have that election before everybody realize how much of an elitist douchebag he is. And as dumb as they are in a lot of things, they've got to be smart enough to realize that. So we're going to have an election very quickly. And so, you know, considerations about corridors and things like that, they're not really going to come into play.

There might be some election promises. Let me just say, like, I don't think the point is to become policy nerds about a quarter. What I'm saying is if you've got specific issues that are in our favor that are polling at 60, 70%, like pipelines, east-west trade, interprovincial trade barriers coming down, security, full NATO funding in two years. The great thing about the fact that I haven't liked, and I think a lot of the, antagonism that's being created as being ginned up by a failing liberal party trying hard to run against Donald Trump instead of their record, right? Yeah. But in the middle of that, what's come out of that is a national consensus we've never seen

before around things that I never thought we'd ever see, like over 60% support for pipelines like Energy Eastern Northern Gateway, huge support for a KXL in the background down in the states, right? We've got support for East West, uh, dropping of inter-provincial barriers, NATO funding, I think NORAD funding would be on there. I think we could integrate that into August. So what I'm saying is not that we should get on the policy side of that, but that Pierre is now able to credibly attack the liberal record on climate, the liberal record on security, the liberal record on a bunch of things with the knowledge he's got a 60% backing from Canadians, say 60% of Canadians want this, where do you guys stand? And I think that that plays, if we have an

immediate election, then what I'm hopeful of is that some of the things, that are natural, you know, our natural files to own now have a lot more popular than they've ever had as long as I've been looking at the polling, particularly on things like pipelines, energy security, energy infrastructure. So see peers team hammer that. And the other thing that I like about it is Carney is particularly weak on this. I mean, I know his record, I know his statements. Chris has pointed out his book. I've been trying not to read it. I'm going to read it now that Chris told him to. But I think there's an opening. So to us, I, I, I, I, I agree with you in general, but I think tactically what I'd like to see us do is put these things on the record and just put them on the record in a much more aggressive, confident way.

One of the things I worry about sometimes seeing even some of our own team in the conservative party in the East is they've adopted this default setting to be responsive to the West, but they know we're already locked in. And so they tend to try and play this middling messaging game to win over the winnable seats in the East. and I get it. But the problem with that is, you know, the reason the Tories lost this election in the U.K. was not because, you know, Kirstarmer had a worse performance than the previous Labor Party leader. He lost the election because the base stayed away. They weren't excited by the concept of the Tories being in again. And I think if we've got an excited base and these messages, I do think, rile up our base, there are also messages that in this moment will appeal to a middle that has shifted towards a nationalist kind of perspective on energy and security.

If I can jump in there quickly, David, to pick up where you're at, I think what you might be trying to say is that this could be a big election issue. We can make this a big election issue and get them on the record. Yeah. The good news is, as we poll on this sort of energy stuff quite often at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, these numbers aren't surprising that the majority of people want East-West corridor energy. They want pipelines. They want interprovential trade bears gone. This is usually the case. It's usually in the 60s and 70s. The issue is that the parliamentary press gallery doesn't know about it or doesn't care about it or doesn't ask about it.

But now, to your point, we can put them forward. And just procedurally speaking, Carney, when he goes to get sworn in by the governor general, can request at the same time, can I have an election please? Like that can happen on the same afternoon. So I think it is going to happen pretty quick. I got some crazy points. I don't know if you guys have covered them yet. All ears, buddy. Well, I miss the beginning part of this.

My apologies, I got my kids. But like, has anybody been talking about the North, the importance of the Northwest Passage? As anybody been talking about maybe it's in the best interest for the United States if the liberals did win the next election? Because then they've got an opportunity to like take foothold of the West. and it sounds like the West is willing to give away everything they've got under their feet for cheaper taxes and the ability to go to Vegas without a passport, which is just totally insane to me.

Like there's so much that is from Manitoba to BC to the Holy Arctic with the very few people that live there, roughly 14 million people, that we could be the richest nation. on the planet and people would be buying gold cards to have passports to come to our country, the brightest and smartest people. So I just didn't know if you guys have been talking about that, but the Americans are famous for overthrowing countries that are older than ours. We're only 150 some years old. And we're so fractured.

We really got to figure out what our future is and pray to God that we can keep this country together and there's some changes in our in our laws and of course the core of the energy corridors but that northwest passage it can't be lost to to the americans or the chinese or anybody else that that's the future for our country is is controlling that jim do you think do you think that we could achieve that if we joined ocus pillar two and agreed to make half of our new NATO spend a sort of interoperable submarine warfare division, same as the Brits and the Australians. What was that acronym you just mentioned? So it's the, it's, it's Australia, UK, US, it's called Ocus.

And there's a debate in the, in the British defense side right now on including Canada in it, in order to get the Americans to be able to control for the Arctic perimeter. Because right now, the Russian subs and Chinese and Russian icebreakers just go through our territorial waters with impunity and park there. And it's, I think the problem for us is we just don't have the capacity to actually put together a submarine warfare. Tactical division that's required. Jim, I defer to you on all that. But it's, I would start with that because right now, like, we can barely throw four people together to go and stand on. the border to check trucks going across, right?

So my biggest thing would be icebreakers, getting the Coast Guard involved, working with our indigenous friends in the north and, and like, aggressively, you know, working at the port they want to make up there and getting that established, because then that's a visual foothold. The subs and such underneath there, that's a big commitment from the country to get those boats and be able to operate safely underneath the ice, the polar ice cap. Those are questions that, you know, that there's really smart people that are in the Navy that could fix, but I was in the airborne regiment. Our job was sovereignty of the north,

and it was as simple as jumping into the Arctic and patrolling islands. And then we'd be picked up and removed from the area. But you've got to have feet on the ground to Calais. like right to the very north where where who knows what's up underneath there if they can't even get subs up underneath there but you've got to be right to the where the North Pole is and and you're not getting there without Arctic ice breakers and and having people on there to go and put our flag literally on these islands and and that was back in the in the 80s I think we were trying to get nuclear subs to patrol underneath our ice pack and the yanks wouldn't let us underneath there because it was as big.

game of cat and mouse and the chances of collision were horrific so Canada backed off on it maybe we shouldn't have but that's in the past I would focus on our port up there I'd focus on getting ice breakers built and that would like get people working in our country because we can build them right in the maritimes and Quebec has a port that builds ships I think their shipping is still able to build that stuff and get get our people engaged into what what it's going to take to get that keep this country together. Jim, does that,

what do you think about, if I can ask, Sean, if you don't mind me asking? Jim, what do you think about Pierre Polyev's plan to have a base up north and it's good to hear you're airborne.

All of my uncles were airborne regiment. And I grew up next to the white mucklucks where they were dropped into the Arctic and had to live that way. So do you, what do you think about Pierre Polyeves plan to have an actual Canadian forces base up there? I think that base has been on the books for a while.

I think Pollyev has rebutt. advising it. I think it's, I think it's something that that maybe Hillier brought in 20 years ago. Like, like that was, it's been around, it's been talked about it for a while. So yeah, no, that, that would, that's a great start. And, you know, like there's all kinds of scientists and want to research the Arctic and stuff like that. You get every, get all those people aboard and, and you get them up there and start developing if it's a roadway or railway to the Arctic to, to bring up, you know, cheaper goods and and get our Arctic involved in our country. Like they're so important to us and they've been neglected for so long.

It's a very important part of our country to like this is our time to wrap it around and pull them in tight, right? I actually got a question for Jim as well is how do you balance looking back the history of our country and what we've done collectively is a great. group and balancing that with the way our country is currently set up, or it's always been set up where the East Act controls and runs everything at times to the detriment to the West. And the future of our country, you know, like obviously there's a lot of history and a lot of good things Canada is accomplished as a country.

But looking forward, especially if Mark Carney got in as a prime minister in election, the future looks pretty bleak for future growth and prosperity for the country. How do you balance that? Meanwhile, you've got foreign powers that are meddling with us, whether it be China or the U.S. that are trying to take their piece of the pie out of us, essentially. Yeah, that's a deep question. Like India, China are so rooted into every level of government in the country.

They're paying for people's election campaigns. and such and they're whispering in their ears for whoever gets elected of what they want done. What nation in the world invites the Chinese army into our nation to go on winter exercise with the army and patrol the north? That's when, you know, General Air at the time, he went bananas over that and no wonder the Americans don't trust us as a nation when we're bringing in foreign adversaries to train right on their northern borders. That's similar. That's almost as bad as when Cuba was going to put nuclear missiles on in Cuba. So like no wonder the Americans are trying to make us step up our game

and be more more of a nation that's got like boundaries when we what our involvements are with foreign adversaries and making sure we're not friendly with them. And we really got to have a way of being able to have transparency within the government and Trudeau says that he is but everything that that he's done he's you know he fills out a piece of paper with black lines on and nobody has any idea of what's going on behind the scenes he's just got a lead shield in front of us we can't find anything out and we can't hold him accountable like there there is people in our midst that are like they are going against the nature of Canada and they're they're being paid money by by China and India to do it like there's not a there's not a like right now are our

transport trucks that go from coast to coast at it at a whim if we pissed off India that enough they could all stop rolling today and we then what what are we going to do to get our goods to the stores and like they they control the trucking industry like that kind of stuff's got to stop and and we got to get control of it back to be a sovereign nation and there's going to be lots of like there's got to be lots of people way smarter and myself that dig into this and come up with rules of how many trucks a foreign nation can own in our country here or where the money's coming from like when you can when you can secretly fund people without the general public knowing where they're getting the money to support themselves

through their campaigns that that's just that's that's that's that's just giving away your country in my mind As we close in on the 6 o'clock hour, Ken, I'm going to start with you, because I'm going to let some people slowly go out. Any final thoughts? I know you were on your way to a family supper. Oh, no, that's fine. I appreciate you giving us some time tonight.

No, I'm just looking at things far separate. I don't see any energy corridors coming. I don't see any positive development for the West. I would, my prediction, I don't think Carney will call an election. I think the Jagmeet and Carney are going to make a partnership behind the scenes. I think Carney is going to turn on the printing machines and Canadian households are going to be squeezed significantly in 2025, 2006. Sean, you and I just finished reading an essay by CS Lewis called Willing Slaves of the Welfare State. I think the average voter is very uninformed and they're going to vote for whoever gives the free money.

And so I see I see Carney coming out to say we have stimmy checks or COVID. We're in crisis. We're in financial crisis. Everybody here's a free check. and everybody's going to want to keep that money train rolling. And, you know, they talk about being in a, you know, preaching to the saved or being in your own little subgroup. And do you agree with me?

Yeah, you agree with me. You know, Sean, I agree on 90% of everything. I think when we go to the average Canadian, they'll take free money over, over Polyev or conservative-like values. So, again, though, I used to think this is bad, I think to force some difficult conversations between the West, specifically Alberta at this point in time, I think this is a good thing. Those are my closing thoughts. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic.

People can tell me you're wrong, but I think we're a long ways away from energy corridors in Canada. But feel free to disagree. Ken, appreciate you hopping on. We're going to push you to the back and we'll get some other final thoughts. But appreciate you. A, staying late because I told them 5 to 5.30, folks. And then we didn't even get them started at 530.

So appreciate you hopping on. on and doing this. If anyone wants to hop in on that, I'm going to slowly exit a few of you out, but I appreciate you guys coming on. Very much. So, and apologies to all the Rutherford's

that we've inconvenienced tonight. That too. Oh, I want to thank Kim for including C.S. Lewis. Anyone that can quote C.S. Lewis, the middle of Canadian election conversations, there's my total respect. So I think,

you know, I think we're going to be in, I guess, if we're kind of taking odds, I do think the liberals are going to go quickly into an election. I don't think they can handle the pressure of a leadership piece right now, but we'll see how that's going to play out. But I do think we have an opening on the –

I agree it's unlikely that we get something as important as energy corridor is actually done. But I think we could potentially win an election off the back of popular support for those things and the anticipation that this country needs to start to build a sovereign economy instead of becoming an economic vassal state. That's my hope. Ken, David, thanks for giving us some time. Go get some sleep, David. Thanks so much.

It's got to be close to one in the morning there. David Nightleg. Ken Rutherford, thanks again for hopping in here. Sean, can you leave me in the background so I can listen on my way to my family supper? Yeah. I don't want to miss this. Absolutely. Certainly we can.

If he's sitting there eating supper, I can just see you have it popped up and just sitting get the background the rest of the night. Jedd will maybe pull it off eventually, but on my ride there, I'm going to listen. Sounds good. Thanks, Ken. Dust, any final thoughts? And thanks again for being patient with us tonight. I think this is going to be the next six months. I think there will be an election and be the most consequential election, probably of my lifetime, would be my guess.

Carney getting in would be the absolute destruction of Canada. and I don't see Canada holding together if he gets in. Pollyev getting in will slow that process down. Yeah, I don't know if he can fix all the problems, but I would hope that he could push through, like someone needs the will to push through energy corridors. When you look at the states and tariffs, the easiest way to fight back against some of that stuff

is actually taking our products and our resources and shipping them overseas, opening up our products to more markets. They talk about oil and shutting it in, but if we ever got it to the West Coast and can sell it to China, Korea, Japan, all these other countries, that would be our biggest...

The biggest way to stand up against Trump would be to build those pipelines to the West Coast. Forget about the East Coast for a second. Just getting them to the West Coast where we can sell our resources to other countries, because the U.S. absolutely needs our heavy oil. They produce lots of light oil, but they need our heavy oil when it comes to roads and plastic

and bunker sea fuel and all the refineries, like all of it, they need our heavy oil. So if we start selling it overseas, that is our best way to deal with the United States. It's not putting tariffs on products coming our way because they will not care. It is the one thing they need from us. And us shutting it in and not selling it to them

and killing the West, that would be the most ridiculous. this idea ever, but getting those pipe points to the West Coast is the key to it all in my mind. So most as well. What's that, sorry? It's got to get to the East Coast. We've got to sell to Europe and to the East Coast.

Yes. Well, like the East Coast does matter. The West Coast is way closer and it's way quicker and cheaper to get it there to the West coast so we can ship it to the Pacific. Plus the East Coast has made it fairly clear that it's. they're not interested in our dirty oil. Well, they will be when the, when the money tap gets shut off.

I'm going to, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to add Kirk, lub them off. He was supposed to be in at the six, six o'clock hour. Kirk, thanks for, for hanging out in the background and, uh, wait and patiently. Hey, Ben. Uh, appreciate you hopping on here, uh, tonight.

Um, before I get to you, uh, does anybody have to hop off? Chris, I've had you on for about an hour and 15. If you want to stick around for a few minutes, you're more than welcome to anyone else is for that matter. I just assume I'm overstaying my welcome on everyone except for twos. Tews is here to the bitter end. That chip has sailed and sank. He's basically a Canadian sub at this point.

Yeah, he's hung this on me. He's here for the long run. All right, you guys have fun. Have a good night. Actually, just real quick, I wanted to touch on the conversation that was being had before about how there's so many different issues that have this broad-based support and how, you know, the expectation is there that, if 60 or 70% of the country supports this, then it's going to be an election plan.

But the thing about that is that that doesn't pair well with the liberal strategy, especially in the last few elections. Tyler Meredith has talked multiple times on Twitter about how they have done an increasingly better job of getting to be the party in power with a steadily decreasing share of the popular vote. It's making that vote go further. And so it's not whether the majority of the majority of the power. Canadian supports something. It's whether

the Canadians in swing writings support something. It's the battlegrounds. And the big battleground for them right now is fucking Quebec. And pipelines do not play well in fucking Quebec unless they're sending money. Kirk Lubinoff,

you're new to the program. Welcome. Welcome into the fray. Your thoughts on Carney, pipelines. Anything he just said, the fact that any politician can run on whatever they want to at this point, me and Chris have had lots of discussions behind scenes about this. It doesn't matter once they're elected.

Then you have to hold their feet to the fire. Maybe then they wait five years to even get to around the talking about it. Kirk, your thoughts on Carney, and then wherever you want to head after that. Well, I think we can judge Carney by his first couple moves. So one of them, he said as soon as he's elected, he's going to cancel the carbon tax. So let's see if that happens, right? The carbon tax or the increase? No, he said the carbon tax will be gone as soon as he gets elected.

That's what he can pay. Right? So we have that soundbite. So we know if he's not going to act on it. Then we know, you know, there's your lie right there. Then, you know, and essentially that will dictate the rest of his actions. It's an interesting situation, right? Because he doesn't have a mandate from Canadians.

100, some, you know, 140,000 people voted for him in a country of 40-some. million. There's about 37, 38 million citizens that can vote. And so he has zero mandate to do anything for the country or for Canadians except call an election. So if he's not calling an election, he's essentially doing what he wants to do, which is not a democracy at this point. So there's he did run at least campaigned on starting to build infrastructure getting rid of

some red tape, cutting taxes. The platform sounded very close to the same as conservatives. I have no doubt that Carney is going to try in some places to bring it closer to the center. The issue is

we don't have anyone lining up to give us money for projects. That's the issue Canada is in. So it doesn't really matter what do we do right now until we install a lot of confidence and showcase a lot of confidence in the country that we can actually change things forever, not just for a soundbite, not just for getting an elected, that we can actually change policy to become attractive to investment. So because right now it doesn't matter even if we get rid of some of the liberal

no pipeline bills, this and that. We have nobody giving us money. So that's the issue that we have to jump over to hurdle. And I think that's something that both sides should consider because yelling, rah, rah, rah, we're going to cut red tape. That still doesn't mean that anyone is going to come to invest here. And that's the issue that we have to solve. Yeah, Chris, yeah, far away. Just wanted to hop in there.

Nice to see you, Kirk. I think we follow each other on X. On the issue of the carbon tax, Carney, of course, has said that he's going to get rid of the consumer carbon tax. which means the one that we can see. He's going to change it to use his language that he used to that crowd in Kelowna. And so what we're seeing, we're expecting him to do, first off, is to announce, because they don't need to sit in Parliament to do this. This can all be changed through an order and counsel.

He can get rid of the consumer carbon tax his own through cabinet. And then he's probably going to just shove it over to the industrial carbon tax. The issue there, of course, is all of us, peasants, are still going to be paying. for the thing. The other thing is exactly to your point, Kirk, is that this is just going to make it harder for industry to do business up here because the industrial carbon tax is going to go up. And so if you just, it's so asinine. Just picture it. Picture Trump in the Oval Office, in the White House. He's wheeling and dealing. He's got guys on the phone. He's talking to fertilizer plants. He's talking to steel manufacturers, all those things. You know, make the rust belt chrome again.

Come here, do business. Come to Ohio. Come to Michigan. Then he sees that our industrial carbon tax is jacked up by this new liberal prime minister that was just announced. Like, it's like ringing a dinner bell over the heads of these industries and getting them all to move south to the states. And so exactly to what was being said earlier, if we can make these issues of carbon taxes, affordability, resources, oil and gas, all tip of the tongue election issues from the mainstream media being yelled at that dude every day, then I think we have a chance.

of seeing some serious help for taxpayers and for Canadians. And if I can plead with your listeners, now is the time. The moment that the writ drops, phone your local mainstream media station. I'm not kidding. Tell them your three top issues. Affordability, carbon tax resources, those would be mine. But whatever yours are, phone them because this is how this works. During the election, these networks don't necessarily send their Bureau chief out on the campaign trail.

they send question suggestions to the local reporters. And then the local reporters decide if they're going to ask that question, when Carney is there, when Pollyev is there, whoever's campaigning through town. So you guys phone your newsrooms right now. You tell them your top three issues. Keep calling them. Call them every week. It's kind of like a letter to the editor.

And it is possible to shove their judgment over a little bit on the questions they ask, which changes the turn and changes the narrative. So on the investment into Canada to build those pipelines, there actually would be a large desire to actually build some of those pipelines for a couple of reasons if you can strip away all the regulatory environmental hurdles for building them right off the bat. Most of those companies left because the regulatory process became so asinine and impossible that there was no path forward for these companies. And the reason why there's actually would be demand to put in those pipelines if you got rid of the regulatory. hurdles and of course the carbon tax, which takes away viability of it, is that right now, especially, I'm just talking oil right now, is the differential means that, you know, we sell our product added steep discount into the states. Now, you add on a tariff that the states

is also applying to that. That means there's a large buffer of profit that can be made off pipelines through the West Coast because you'll make more money shipping it over to places like China and Japan and other places like that. So if you actually stripped away all the regulatory hurdles and the environmental hurdles and and the carbon tax would also be a part of that. There's actually a huge business case for private companies to put those projects in the ground if the government gets the hell out of the way. So, okay, can I just add something to it? So the thing is with the bills, nobody's going to just strip anything.

They're going to replace it with a new bill. They're going to replace it with new rules. And that's the problem we're stuck in. It's essentially a limbo because those things take forever, right? can be, you know, even if we have an election, you know, in eight days, like there's some rumors and, you know, we have a new government at the end of April, it will still take a number of months for them to put in a bill, to pass things, you know, go through this, you know, to typical Canadian, you know, hurdles to get actually things done. So even if we have

an election, like I said, at the end of April, we're not going to get probably a new clarified bill till, you know, to New Year until into 2026. So nobody's going to run into Canada to do business right away until, until there's clarity to what's actually happening here. Not overnight. Not overnight, no. And it's a long time, right? So we have a year and a year that's already projected to be into a recession.

So we're in a serious situation here because, you know, the whole question, the whole situation with tariffs for Canada and the U.S. It's not that the U.S. doesn't need our oil. It definitely needs our oil. It needs our aluminum. It needs our potash. It needs a lot of our stuff. But the question is, who can pivot faster?

Can Canadians find any market faster? Or can TUS replace some of Canadian businesses faster? And I think once the U.S. moves, especially under Donald Trump, they will pivot much faster than even if Canada has a conservative government. And this is essentially to risk we're stuck in here. Well, I'm going to give Dust. I got Brian Lilly sitting in the back. So do we want Dut.Too's, do you want me to bring them in or do you want me to exit people?

Of course I want you to bring Brian Lillian. We got them for like 10 minutes. Brian, we got them going to let them go. It's Brian. Okay, Brian. You're coming back in. Brian, welcome back to the show. Hey, how are you guys?

I was just doing the math on the spot. It's of Western Canadian Select versus West Texas Intermediate. It's up to 23% discount right now before the tariff kicks in. And so, I mean, Dustin, you were saying that makes it a very lucrative thing for people to actually come in. But to Kirk's point, would anyone actually say, well, yeah, yeah, let's spend the money now. There's new government. Mark Carney's in charge? No.

No, like that's, it's not going to happen. I did not, I was in and out of Carney's speech. After I left you guys, I was watching that, making dinner. I was trying to eat, trying to figure out waiting and write from a column that's still not written for tomorrow morning paper. And Timi Aaron going, okay, it can soon mention oil or pipelines or natural gas because Jean-Cretchen did. You guys caught that. Jean-Cretchen endorsed an Alberta to Quebec pipeline for natural gas and said it would keep the steelworkers on the job and went, all right, Kretchen's writing liberal party policy on the fly from the stage.

I just wish they'd listen to him. I don't think they will. So, you know, we can talk about, as Kurt said, like, unleashing things, but unless there's somebody new in charge that isn't known as Mr. Net Zero, that investment is not going to move north of the border. And when we talk speed, Canada versus the U.S., Is that even in a conversation? No.

We're me in the water. I'm a tugboat going against the speedboat, right? Like, I mean, honestly, folks, I don't even think that's even in the conversation. Like, that's two different ships running a different race. Since Trump's inauguration and a speech to the world economic forum, I've been saying tariffs are a small part of our problem. We have to be worried about them, especially if they're 25% versus 10%, which will be workable.

We could figure out a way around that, but 25% tariffs are huge. But all of Trump's changes to the American economy are going to be massive. And if we don't have a way to counter that, we're screwed. As far as I forget who was talking about the, you know, Trump trying to bring the,

might have been Chris, trying to bring the manufacturing back. When I was down in Washington recently, was speaking about, bunch of American politicians, and I know Senator Kevin Kramer from North Dakota, who is very tight with Trump, but is also a friend and ally of Canada in many ways. He was at an event with him, and he was talking about the fact that we don't have the workers to fill all these jobs.

So if we sucked every other job out of Ontario down into Michigan and Ohio, we would basically have to clear all the Ontario water workers to drive across the border and work at those plans every day because we don't have the manpower. So they're trying to do some things that we can't. We've got to get somebody serious in charge in Ottawa. I think Carney's got a great resume. I don't think it's him. Is it Pierre? We'll see. But, you know, it's, we're in a tight spot right now because Trump does want those auto jobs. He will come after our beef producers and our pork producers on country of origin labeling. He basically wants all production state side, and he doesn't want this integrated economy.

Unless, you know, if you believe it's rhetoric about us becoming the 51st state, but he clearly wants all the jobs from the South, and he wants jobs there, exports for America, fewer imports for America. And, you know, the guy that just won my read of his economic policy, not good. Brian, what do you think about, so I was listening to Joel Pollock the other day, and as you know, he's friends with Steve Bannon. And he was saying that, to your point, of Trump wanting those jobs, what if it's not physical boots on the ground in the States necessarily, but he wants a new deal? He loves making deals. What if this is part of his kind of air war in order to hammer out a new North American deal with some of his, the tariffs being dropped down? So he gets upset about, you know, certain tariffs that we already have in place here in Canada.

Yeah. So what happens then? Like, what do you think about that, Brian? Like that perception of this is his let's make a deal move. He's being super noisy right now. And he pointed out he doesn't like Trudeau personally. And he wants him gone. So after that has changed, maybe things will ease up a little bit.

I thought Pollock had some interesting points there. So I had Joel when Joel is the editor-in-chief of Brevard. Chris and I worked with him years ago. when we're both this unused network. And George's a smart guy. Look, the Americans don't actually want to get rid of all supply management. If I can deal with that issue, I heard someone at dairy cartel. That was too.

You don't want to get rid of all supply management. They just want to be able to set us some stuff. And they thought they negotiated that with us in the last renegotiation that brought about Kuzma or you smack up, whatever you want to call it. And then immediately we blocked them. And they took us to a panel and we lost. And then we made a couple of changes, you know, minor changes. And they took us to another panel and we won, one, quote, unquote. But I'm talking to people in other industries who are furious with the dairy cartel saying these sobies couldn't end up cost us the entire trade arrangement.

So that's one thing. is this part of of Trump trying to get a better deal and renegotiate? I think that's what Doug Ford believes. Ford has been calling for a while. Like, let's get back to the table. Let's renegotiate. And I'll say as much as people are, you know, grinding Ford's gears over the electricity and taking the booze off the shelves.

Those are the only two responses for Canada that have resonated with conservative and Republican American media. The only two, because I know these guys, I follow these guys, I hear from them, and then suddenly he's like, why is somebody saying he's going to turn off the lights? And that's the only thing that's resonated. So maybe that was the right move. Hopefully we don't get there, but it was something that made themselves and take notice at least. Nothing Justin Trudeau or anyone in this government is saying is resonating.

I mean, it was so bad that Howard Lutnik called up and tried yelling at Ford and in return ended up getting a near full from Ontario's premier. And it didn't end well for Lutnik. So, you know, there's a lot of back and forth going on. But the line is all of this schlmazel that we're in goes back to Justin Frito. Why don't we have a functioning government? Because he wouldn't leave when he should have. Yeah. trigger an election.

Instead, we get a little bit of leadership race. Now, Mark Carney, good chance he calls an election next Sunday or the Sunday after that. And then we have a voting day in April, swearing in sometime in May, functional government by June. And Donald Trump is beating the problem because he can. He's taking advantage of us being weak. As we as we as we. As we close in on the 630 hour, I'm, I'm, Dust, I'm going to start with you.

Let me go to Brian first. I'm going to start. All right, Jim, fire away. How can I turn down the military? Fire away, Jim. Let's hear it. Okay, so, Brian, if Doug Ford turned the power off to the United States, isn't that like an act of war?

And secondly, part of the second part of this question is, line five that goes through the United States, and it comes back up into Ontario, wouldn't they just turn the tap off coming into Ontario and get rid of all the fuel going that Ontario needs? Yeah, potentially. Potentially, our event can happen.

But he hasn't turned off the power yet. You threaten you do it. Got people to go. But wouldn't that would not state's justification to seize the power grid? Like, I don't think you can actually turn power off to citizens of the United States

There are ways to do it both legally and technically that the government has looked into if it gets to that point. But the fact that they've got the Commerce Secretary calling Ontario's Premier to say, hey, buddy, back off. Like, you're going to get too far. Now, is the state saying they would turn the oil off coming into Ontario? They haven't said that as far to any of my knowledge. Yeah, of course that could happen. And Daniel Smith has been right on this. And I've defended Daniel Smith on saying,

you can't threaten to shut off the oil because if you do, you shut off the oil to Ontario and Quebec. And I've done videos and columns and tried to explain that to people. The electricity grid is different where we would be able to do that. Could that result in Michigan saying, you cut off our energy,

we're going to stop line five in Michigan? Sure. But it, you know, everyone keeps, saying Trump's using this is a negotiation tactic. What do you think Doug Ferd's doing saying, you know, all right, you want to do that? I'll cut off your power. It's a negotiation tactic. Bring people to the table to talk.

Doing nothing, I think, you know, and I've heard from plenty of Canadians on the right who say, we should do nothing. We shouldn't respond. No. But I come from a rough city. My parents come from the rougher city. I was taught somebody's burying you, you punched them in the nose, because that's the only way they're going to respect you. I just didn't know the legal, like if that would give Trump the ability to actually take over our power grid if we did something. No, legally you could not take over our power grid.

But you've got to stand up and do something. Yeah. If we did exactly matching tariffs, which thankfully the Trudeau guys aren't doing the following Pierre's lead and saying, And, okay, well, we're not going to tear up like fresh vegetables in the middle of winter because we got to get shipments from Bakersfield, California, because there's nothing going where any of us live right now. So they're being smart about it and they're tariffing certain things higher, nothing on other things.

Look, that's all good. But bottom line, we've got to unleash our economy and that's what I was talking to Pierre about. I had them on radio. I was filling in on News Talk 1010 on Friday. in Toronto. And I was like, where do we, like, parents are short term and retaliatory terms are short term. What are we doing to respond to what Trump is going to do to unleash the American economy? That's the only thing I care about right now.

That's the long-term vision, which goes back to what Dustin and Kirk and Chris were all talking about before in growing the economy. And whether that's with the United States, and I think we're too reliant on them, we're never going to, They're never not going to be our biggest trading partner. But I pulled a stat, 1896. How do you the British Empire, right? And we're part of the British Empire. Only 66% of our exports go to the UK or another part of a British Empire.

Today, 76% of our exports go to the United States. We're more reliant on the United States now than we were when we're part of the British Empire. And that's because we haven't done the hard work of building up our industries, building up export markets. Stephen Harper is selling more trade deals than I could list off right now. We haven't taken advantage of them. We're not doing our defense. We have become a vassal state and we've got to stop being a vassal state. We've got to stop being the kid that, you know, mom and dad has to kick out of bed in the morning and say, go get a real job.

You finish school, go get a job. Totally agree. Okay. It is closing in on the 630 hour. So I got to find a clever way of doing this with so many people to slowly move up. Brian, I'm going to start with you because I told you 10 minutes and I get you out of here and on to your evening. Any final thoughts on Carney? By the way, appreciate all the extra time.

Yeah, I appreciate you coming back on. Any final thoughts on Carney and being coronated tonight? He gave an O. King's speech. It wasn't a great one. He was better than I experienced. expected in his speech. He's still not ready to go toe to toe with Pierre Pelleev

and Yves Francois Blanchette. I don't even know if he's ready to go toe to toe to toe with Jeremy Singh in terms of being a politician and being able to debate people. The media in this country have to get serious and demand that he actually answer the questions. I'll grant them some

slack in that he has refused to do interviews with most of them. He has refused to do scrums. He has refused to do He has refused to answer any questions. You can't be PM and go through an election campaign without that. And if he tries, they have to call him on it like they would if it was Pierre Pauliev, Admiral Toole, Andrew Scheer, Steven Harper, insert conservative leader here. You know, it's beyond frustrating that this guy's probably answered 30 questions over the

past two months in his attempt to become liberal leader. And, you know, he's the least vetted person ever to seize power. And that's what's happened here. He seized power. And because people looked at a Wikipedia page or his resume and said, ooh, banker, must be good. Brian Lilly, thanks for giving us some time again tonight. And appreciate your insights. Thanks for helping on the show.

Thanks, very much. Bye, Brian. All right, Dust. I've been flirting around this, Jim, stop interrupting me. Dustin, final thoughts before I let you out here. I knew you're trying to kick me off for a while. Somebody stuck around, though. I think when it comes to Carney, I agree entirely with Brian Lilly.

And I think just watching some of the interactions between him and Poliaev, when Poliyev was growing him on supporting pipelines and other countries, I think that Canadians are going to see through the facade of what Carney says. He's what he is. I don't think he's a likable character at all. And I see him parachuting into Canada to try and become PM, and I just don't think it's going to be successful. At least I hope it's not.

And I hope an election gets called soon because it needs to. I'm just trying to save your voice. I know you're part of an Alberta roundtable tomorrow. So I appreciate you hopping on tonight. Everyone, Dustin. Thanks for jumping on with us tonight. Always good to see anybody. Yeah, good seeing all of you.

Chris, I'm going to go to you next. next because I mean you I started out with five o'clock then we held you out for a while um as always she goes to me folks she goes thanks for inviting me and me and twos look to each other like when we do these things the first person we think of is chris sims because we want to hear from the canadian taxpayers federation absolutely so your thoughts on uh your final thoughts i guess i should say on the uh carn and and what you've thought you know moving forward or wherever you want to go well it does mean a lot to us it means a lot to me personally uh you know sean how i feel about you I discovered your show years ago when I was driving out to hope to help my mom because my brother had died suddenly.

So I really, you know, have a connection to the show. So I really appreciate it as a person. As a Taxpayers Federation and a fighter against taxes, we're in for a doozy here. And this is where I would really appeal to your listeners. I know that you have trust issues when it comes off. Thank you, Angela. I know you have trust issues when it comes to the mainstream media. I do too.

I worked in those newsrooms, though, for decades. okay. I do still know how some of the sausage is being made in there. And so I would just plead with you during the election campaign, pick up the phone, be firm but respectful, and say these are my top three issues. I know that so-and-so is coming to town on the leadership campaign. Can your reporter ask this? Be quick and to the point. And if you keep on doing that, we have a chance to shift the narrative away from whatever silly topic they're talking about. How much do you hate Trump? I hate him more. No, get them to talk about things like affordability, the fact that people can't afford rent, they're wincing opening their power bills, they don't want to pay the carbon tax, all this stuff is so important. I would plead with folks to make sure they keep that on the front burner as much as humanly possible. And also going forward, just to stay engaged. Sean, you've done an excellent job of rallying people to the arena to say,

don't stay on the sidelines, get out there and door knock. And now is the time, folks, I do think it's going to happen. If the Liberal Party has their druthers, and I think they know, I think they're going to call an election right away. And if that happens and the writ drops, you have to stay engaged in the game. Talk to all your friends and family, get them out there to vote. Don't just rely on yourself. Chris, you always come on and you just nail it. We appreciate you hopping on and then giving us extra time because you've given us a lot tonight.

Thanks for hopping on. I have to go. I bought these end tables from a thrift shop. And I have to go pretend they've been in the house for like 10 years before my husband gets home. So, Chris, me luck. Thanks again for hopping on.

Bye. Jim, you're up next and then we're going to get you out of here too. What do you got? What's Jim Sinclair? I mean, I'm going to leave you in the background because I know that's where you want to be. And if you fall asleep on this live stream,

me and twos, we're going to totally put it on. Okay, that's what the audience wants. Just don't be so boring. You more like Chris. Anyways, guys, she totally nailed it. Like, like the government wants us to have this big enemy, which is Trump.

And that's her narrative. That's what they're going to be. They're going to try and follow Doug Ford's re-election campaign and make this about Trump. And it's really got to be the election's got to be based on how Canada gets out of this mess. And yeah, I totally agree with what she's saying. And we've got to change the narrative or it's going to give traction to the liberals. So and hopefully there's people out west that are what or sorry out east watching this and they're listening to her. Because the more that we can get this, this light upon how terrible the leaders of the liberals have led us down this path of due, the better chances we are ever getting some votes out east.

So that's, that's critical. Jim, we appreciate you coming on and giving us some time. tonight as always look i gotta ask i got to ask real quick that whitey behind you what did it score it looks like it's probably about 190 typical 180 and 3 8s and it's scored over 200 with all its uh all its stickers and extra horns and such okay but but all right fair enough okay that's good that's good that's nice you come for the election coverage but you actually stay for how many points i i get well i mean you look at it and you've been wondering it the entire time too is how absolutely Yes, yes.

That's a beauty dear. Jim, thanks for helping on. It just snuck into the Boone and Crockett, too. It just got in there, yep. Thanks again, Jim. Have a good day, guys. Kirk, you get the final say on, before we let you out. What final thoughts do you have?

Appreciate you hopping on and doing this with us tonight. Yeah, my pleasure. So a couple points. One, we've got to remember that there is a lot more to Canada and what needs to be developed than just oil and gas. So the conversation has been heavily, you know, into pipelines, into essentially where can we ship our oil and gas out of, which is awesome, right?

Even if we double our oil and gas industry, our part of the GDP over the next, you know, four or five years, it's still not as much as how much opportunity we have in other industries. The issue that we have in Canada is, that we don't have, we don't compete in a whole bunch of different industries at all, right? We barely have any quantum computing going on here on a serious level.

We don't have, you know, we don't shoot rockets into space. We don't do a lot of things, you know, we don't build robots to the same extent as anyone else. And as much as Mark Carney thinks we're at the world leader and semiconductors, we don't build semiconductors either. So we have to have a much broader conversation, how we develop the rest of the country and future technologies. Because the issue is in the last five years or so,

we essentially mass immigrated people based on very, you know, not necessarily for skill, but just because they were able to scam their way into the country or they were able to just immigrate here for a low skill labor jobs. Like, you know, like Jim Hortons, fast food, cooks and all that stuff. So we have a lot of stuff to turn over from, that side, even if we double our oil and gas industry in the next five years, we're still in trouble. So I think that's an issue that we have to remember when we look at our economy overall.

The other aspect of it, I'm just going to throw our wrench into this tariff thing. As Brian Lilly brought up some historical points, I'm going to go back into history as well. So last time, the United States has always doubled down essential on tariffs throughout their history to try and develop their economy. The last time they did that and try to, so let's just look at the market timing. So we're coming off to the United States is from a $13 trillion printout stimulus, right? That's how much money they printed in the last five years or so. So the last time the U.S. came out of a stimulus environment, which was essentially World War I, and tried to tariff people.

It failed miserably for them, and it led to the Great Depression. And one of the things that led to it is actually when Canada turned around and stopped doing trades with the U.S., and they turn around to Europe and the British Empire at the time. So we have an interesting position here. The big difference is we have just red taped and shot our economy down so much in the last 10 years. We're in a tough position to pivot to other countries. But we can still do it. So it's a question of what the U.S. will do as well.

And how much money they will actually be able to attract from their trade deficits. The U.S. trade deficits is about $1 trillion. but the Canadian side is essentially, I think last year was $168 billion. And that's, but if you remove the oil and gas trade, they essentially have a surplus trade with us. So it's an interesting position that we're in, but it's also interesting to see how Europe is going to react and how China is going to react. So all those things added onto the U.S. and the U.S. if they don't print any more money, they can lead to their own recession. session right now. So, and if, as we know, if the U.S. sneezes, we catch a cold. So we have a double whammy here on our side as well, but we also not into weakest position possible yet.

Kirk, I appreciate you coming on. I like how you were pointing out the fact that nothing, nothing's happening on its own. And there's a whole lot of different pieces. Well, the problem is, this is the problem. We got Kearney in and you go, well, what does that lead to? And then you go a hypo, a lot of hypotheticals and you're like, folks, they've screwed us for like 10 years. And they're about to score us a bit harder here in the next little bit if they can. So undoing that is very, very uncomplicated, but complicated because of red tape and a whole bunch of other things. It's uncomplicated practically, but it's complicated politically. And it's the political people who make the decisions.

That's it. Kirk, appreciate you hopping on tonight and look forward to the next time you hop on the show. Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Now, Toos, when you started this bloody idea at 11.30 this morning, when you're like, hey, and I should say Mrs. Tooz started this idea. So shout out to Mrs. Ther's. I just said, would this be a good idea?

And you were like, God damn it, yes. You know what? We never factored in, and I've been thinking about this. You know, I watched part of the Oilers game last night. I know we got a big Calgary Flames guy coming on. And I know we got Calgary Flames guy here across from me is a little segment they do called after hour. So everybody's like, oh, thanks for the cover set.

I'm like, well, we might as to do a little after hours, shouldn't we? I mean, like, by now it's foregone conclusion. You know Carney's the new prime minister. We might as well have a little after hour segment. Don't we think, twos? Yeah. What do we got lined up? All right.

Well, we got the CEO. Okay, Brent Olin, here you go. There you go. All right. And Faisal. Faisal, I can't see you. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Oh, I barely cracked my third one. I'm not going on. Nice. Just nice and easy. Yeah, just enough to take the edge off so I don't flip over the table. Faisal, I can't see you. Are you there? I'm here. Can you hear me?

I can hear you. I just can't see you. You're all fuzzy. My camera is acting up weird on me. It'll kick in at some point. Well, we hope so. So gentlemen, when we were putting this whole song and dance together, we thought, oh, this should be fun at the end of the evening to bring on. some different thoughts. We got Ontario and then obviously a couple of Albertans. Your thoughts, Carney is coronated tonight.

Wherever you guys want to begin, I'm just curious, you know? And Bodroviks might be joining us as well. I should text him as you guys start. He did say he was going to come on, and I'm not sure if he's joining us tonight or not. But regardless, thanks for coming on. You're going to text and I'll correct everything.

Whose is going to quarterback? Hey, wait a second. Before we do that. here I want to put this up we're we're we're like not even 300 shy of 10,000 watching this sucker so how would you like how many people are currently watching that's how much you like you share you wade the rooster flag you tweet this sucker out we hit 10 grand here while I sit and text thanks for tuning in everybody tonight now twos if you want a quarterback fire away it'd be the first time this week that you've had to do such a thing I think uh I think this is a rare opportunity where we got a couple people well versed in finance and We've got a new prime minister with a banking background. What are your thoughts on him? What did you guys know about him before he got into the limelight recently? And how do you think this is going to shape his vision going forward?

Brent? Oh, me, okay. Yeah, I know me being the banker, I've definitely got some choice words for this. It's my wife actually has told me that I'm not allowed to pound on my recurring anymore. It's too easy. But I think he's a pretty scary individual and there's a couple of reasons why. Number one, in 2019, he brought up the idea of a central bank digital currency. More recently, and I think it was in May of 2024,

He was on a Senate hearing committee for S-243, which was the bill that's related to B-15, which is the Climate Risk Management Act. And S-243 is basically talking about regulations for financial institutions, OSFI-regulated financial institutions. So that's your major banks in Canada, who 83%. Big five. Yeah, Big five. 83% of Canadians are with the big five.

Specifically, of course, we know he's targeting carbon emissions, but this bill is incorporating of just about in every industry across Canada. And highlighting a point on this bill is the fact that S-243 puts an additional capital requirement for financial institutions to lend to oil and gas companies. So just a little banking 101 capital is very precious to financial institutions. So basically, the higher your capital needs, the more we require an interest on a loan to make it sustainable, to make it profitable. So S243 increases the capital requirement on oil and gas companies by 1,250%. So effectively, what it does is makes any loan that's out there currently,

at 7, 8, 9% unsustainable. And you'd have to start charging 35, 40, 45% to give a loan to an oil and gas company. And that's not really the extent that I'm terribly concerned about it, because oil and cast companies will just go private and they'll get money from private financing. But there's also residential housing that's on this S-243 bill. So effectively, if you don't have the right insulation in your house, if you don't have the right solar panels on your house, if you have the wrong windows, they could basically say,

you know what, we have to increase the capital requirement for this loan because it's too capital intensive. And then rather than dealing with your 4, 5, 6% mortgage, you're going to be starting to deal with your 15, 20, 25% mortgage based on S-243. And so Mark Carney spoke very much in favor of S-2-4-4-7. which is currently in the Senate. And I'm sort of watching with a keen eye on what's going to be happening specifically with S243 going forward. Now, if I understand that correctly, that would also affect builders' ability to access capital as well.

Yeah, absolutely. If you're not building your lead houses or your green houses, that type of thing, you would be able to get finance. They'd go private, but then they'd pay a premium for it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And so at the end of the day, it depends how nuclear you think Carney is, but he could take this country in a seriously very bad direction with just something like that and basically making it unaffordable for anybody to lend. I mean, it's easy to do when you have $40 million in your checking account. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. If there's a bunch of cash type thing. But, well, no, but I mean, for a guy like Mark Carney that has made a bajillion dollars in his career, let's make it possible for everybody to access capital now that I have as much as I'll ever need.

Well, and it depends what kind of rabbit hole you want to take this down. Yes. Is Mark Carney one of the four horsemen here basically taking Canada down? Well, it's, it sure hasn't led me to any other. conclusion other than that at this point. He could be very damaged. Maybe he's, I hate using this term, but end game, maybe this is part of the end game for Canada is Mark Cannery. Nick, what do you think?

I don't want to pull it down some conspiracy, but like when I look at him and I look at all the ties. No. I'm like, I don't know, right? We could sit here and go, oh, elections coming in a couple weeks and everything's going to be fine and Pierre's going to get in. And Cardi just ran because, you know, he just wanted to put it on his resume.

This guy just wanted to be Prime Minister for Canada with all the dark ties he's got. He just wanted it on his resume. And how cool is it to be the guy who gets to look Justin Trudeau in the eyes and say, you're fucking fired? I wish I could have ran. That's fair

fair play. I don't even know where you start with this. It is it is just a complete mess. Like you know, I've talked about this before. or we have this really neat ecosystem in our office, open conversation. I didn't think he'd run.

Like I figured, why would this guy run right now? He'd be, yeah, it's kind of not the analogy of, you know, taking over for the famous coach or the famous player or the famous quarterback. And no, in fact, you're inheriting an epic shit show. Why would you want to do that? Leave it to somebody else to stuff it up and then come in and clean up, you know, in four years. But he really, really wants this. And that scares the shit out of me, matter of factly. What do I think of him? He's scary. He, like, when I talk about

the current iteration of the liberal government of Canada, I don't think about Justin Trudeau. I'm more worried about Gerald Butts and Katie Telford. I'm worried about the people behind the scenes that have been there from day one that have very clearly been pulling strings since the beginning. And, you know, Trudeau's just, he just dances because he doesn't have an original thought. He doesn't have anything to him other than great hair. So that scares me, though. This combination of this person who, you know, don't kid yourself.

Like we live, all of us live in a bit of an echo chamber. It's easy for us to say, oh, we know who Carney is, whether it's, you know, the specifics like Brett on banking and proposed legislation, things like that, or hopefully. full legislation because he's never been a friggin' sitting member of parliament. Or, you know, it's more of the broad strokes. I'm just worried that the average person out there does not know anything about him. Like you said, Sean, he's got a good wiki page. You know, he's head of the Bank of Canada, head of the Bank of England.

And they think, you know what? The adults are back in the room. That same sort of thing that we heard after the first season of the Trump show when Biden took over and it all went to pot. So I find it really troubling. I'm, you know, and I particularly, I think I'm not necessarily thinking about one group or another weps or this or that. I just am worried that so much of his interest seems to lie in Europe.

So much of his vision and what he's in cahoots with seems to come from Europe. And Europe is spiraling out of control at the moment. They, for crying out loud, they want to rearm and go to war. So, you know, as a Canadian, I think it's a scary combination of a person who is, you know, dangerously smart, sinister potentially, and may be able to, in the short term, pull the wool over our population's eyes. So not great, clearly. Fair enough. We also got Tom Bodrovics and just snuck in there from Palisades Gold Radio.

Tom or Faisal, feel free to hop in. We're talking about whether the possibility of Carney being the end game for Canada, as all of his tides lead to dark and nefarious places. I'm sorry if I'm simplifying that. People can correct me too far away. Just real quick. We had, who was it a couple hours ago that said that he was called the Dark Lord in England? And we didn't get a chance to expand.

Grant Abraham. Yeah. Grant Abraham ran in, he's a lawyer who had ran in the 2019 election in Britain. And so he'd called him, his nickname in Britain was the dark lord. And so, you know, what do you guys know being further into this industry than either Sean or myself? What do you guys know about his track record, what he did? Like we could talk about the things he said publicly, you know, a big fan of Net Zero, his book and things like that. but in terms of what he's done, what do you guys know about it?

Tom, go for it. All right. You know, when Sean texted me earlier about this, I thought, you know, I don't have much to add to this conversation because I don't, Canadian politics frustrates me to the point that I can't pay attention to it. And, you know, that, that road has just, we've just gone further and further down that road.

But, you know, to Nick's point earlier, we see this exactly as you said to is the the dark lord and this idea that we're going to a better place or that they can somehow prop up this idea that we that he's somehow a better later or more suited to the task i think it it also shows the desperation of whoever you want to say is him, whether that's globalist, whatever placeholder you want to use for that. But I think taking a step back to understand what this 50,000 foot view is and to try to figure out, okay, these people tell you exactly what they want. You know, Klaus Schwab in his book said exactly what he wants.

Carney says exactly what he wants. So overall, like Canada is in a really, really terrible. position here. And the fact that they are so strategic should scare people. And the point that I keep coming back to over the last, especially five years, I've kind of come to call this the age of unaccountability. As Canadians, I think we really need to, if we are given the chance, if we're granted the chance, we need to be able to reclaim some form of having some accountability on these

leaders because, you know, we are being, in a way, we're a rudderless ship that is being controlled by the people that want to control us. And, you know, just to kind of wrap up on the idea that Polyev is going to be our savior, I absolutely don't think, that he's going to be able to, A, to write the ship that is in such a terrible place at this point. And the fact that just by comparison, if he says the exact opposite of what Trudeau says, you know, that makes him popular. That doesn't necessarily actually make him a good leader. Faisal, you haven't, do you want to hop in? Yeah, yeah, sure.

So I'm with Tom. You know, Canadian politics has always frustrated me. Sorry, can you hear me? I could hear you. Yeah. Canadian politics has always frustrated me because I find it, you know, my biggest problem with Canada, and I was born and raised here, so we're talking like half a century of Canadian experience here,

is Canada has no vision for itself. And, you know, I've been listening to this session for, probably an hour and a half in some of the previous guests. You know, they're zooming in at the 10,000 foot level or whatever and talking about energy corridors and the St. Lawrence and this and that and the other. But, you know, the overarching question for me, regardless of whether it's Polly Ever or Carney or, you know, thank God Trudeau's gone because he wasn't the answer, is what's the vision for this country?

What do we want to be? Where did we come from? Can we do anything with that? Why have we run it as a lifestyle business, so to speak, for the last, God knows how many decades, five decades? And what do we want to become? And then less than until somebody can answer that question in a convincing fashion, I will continue to be uninterested, disinterested in Canadian politics. Now, how do I live in Canada being uninterested, disinterested in Canadian politics? Well, I knew we were coming into, you know, a challenging situation in this decade.

Like when I say I knew, I mean, I had a very strong sense and lo and behold, it's played out the way I feared it would. And, you know, as I've spoken with Nick and Tom in the past, like, how much are we going to stress over this? Because we've done as much as we can or that we're willing to do to prepare ourselves. And we kind of just need to go through this crisis period. because without the crisis, I don't think Canadians on a whole are going to get their heads out of their butts and understand that having a country or keeping a country is actually a serious business. You've got to do something with the place. Otherwise, the vultures around you, and that's just the way life works. The vultures around you are going to come and feast on your carcass.

And maybe we've come to the 51st state as a result of that. Kind of the thought, Faisal, then, of nobody moves from a place of comfort is basically what you're saying. Yeah, nobody moves from a place of comfort. The biggest problem we've got as a nation is we're so blessed with an abundance of resources. Somebody earlier, I can't remember which individual said it very correctly. Canada could be the absolute richest nation on the planet. But we've done nothing with it. And we've been very happy to borrow, if I might borrow a phrase from Matthew Erritt,

who you guys all know. I think. We've been very happy to be hewers of wood and drawers of water and we'll sell it for a buck and we'll happily buy back the tables and the chairs and the iPhones or whatever for 10 bucks, 100 bucks, a thousand bucks. And we can keep doing that for a very long time just because we have such an abundance of resources. You know, I look at Canada and I see a very strong parallel with my own personal story. So my personal story is I had a business that I acquired off of my dad's estate. When I first entered that business while he was still alive, I was absolutely, you know, devastated to learn how poorly run that business was. I'd grown up all my life imagining that,

you know, my dad was doing these amazing things with his technology and his business. And I was going to come in and take it over and, you know, take what he took from level one. to level 10 and take it from level 10 to a level 100, you know. But he had all his time that he was running the business and I was going through school and growing up. He had just simply run it as a lifestyle business. And that's really the story of Canada. We've run this country like it's a lifestyle business. It pays for our vacations. It pays for two cars in the driveway. It pays off our mortgage and Canada, Canadians in general, on whole, has set a very, very low bar, low definition of success for themselves as individuals, as families.

And yeah, and so here we are today. And it wasn't always this way, mind you. You know, Canada coming out of World War II and all the magnificent things that we accomplished and the immigration's, the very wise immigration policies we had, we were one heck of a country and one heck of a force to contend with. You know, I drone on about it, but if anyone who is listening and who hasn't wrapped their heads around the story of the Averro Arrow, I highly encourage Canadians to do that because It's such a tragic story. I mean, we had the most advanced aerospace technology in the world.

We were whooping the butts of the Americans. And because of some bad negotiating, some blackmailing, some fear tactics, whatever the heck it was, we chose to give all of that up and voluntarily became subservient and played second fiddle to the U.S. here in North America. And I think, That's really that episode in 1958-59 is really what broke the backbone of the Canadian spirit. Can we recover that spirit? I think it's possible, but I don't know if we have the time to do it, quite frankly. You know, the U.S. is moving quickly, and they have the ability to move quickly. And if we say, no, we're not going to be part of some union with the U.S.,

we're not going to become the 51st state, you know, elbows up and all. all that nonsense, what are we going to do? Like, what choice do we have but to ally ourselves yet more deeply with the U.S.? There's no time. Well, and maybe that circles back to the idea of the endgame that Brett had mentioned briefly. Do you want to expand on that a little bit? Yeah. So, you know, when you hear the phrase, the end game, I mean, it conjures up all sorts of dark

imagery in your mind. you know the question is what what might we mean by the the phrase the endgame it had been sort of a notion in my head for the longest time that Canada was going to become let's call it the 51st state that's sort of the trademark that Trump's come up with to to market his idea and to promote his idea I don't think it necessarily means we're going to become you know United States of America and with the you know the great state of Canada I think it'll be a little bit more intricate and more involved of a process of joining the two countries together. But, you know, I don't see the endgame, quote unquote, endgame as being some dark era for Canada that, you know, we disappear as a nation and everybody leaves and all that's left is pine trees and raccoons and deer or whatever, right?

I think the idea of Canada as we were confederated, I think that will invariably come to an end just because we've wasted. We've wasted our potential. Potentially. It doesn't have to, though. But there's no time, Nick. But that's, see, that's not necessarily true. I mean, yes, we are, I mean, the whole world is looking like it's going to walk the desert here. proverbially, be it because of

just kicking the can down the road for too too long, too much cheap money in the system, having created too many crap policies which have just led us to where we are. But I mean, ultimately you're talking about a country where there's no quick pivot.

I mean, if we decided right now, we wanted a pivot and we got true and meaningful buy-in from the population, you could turn this thing around. We have resources. We have collateral. We have space. We have all the ingredients that you need to be able to fix this.

The problem is there's no will. And I think that's where we're budding into a time frame issue where at what point do the fissures that exist within the country and the wedges that have been formed within the country, fisher to the point where they just break. And that's kind of the thing. Like, I mean, you know, we talk about immigration. One of the weirdest things about it being the child of two immigrants. So I'm very sympathetic to it is there's still tons.

There was always tons of demand for qualified, reasonably well-heeled, skilled individuals to want to come to the country. I see it firsthand. I see it in owning a business where we have people that we've been trying to get into the country. they were working overseas, whether they were in technology, or they're just individuals that moved here for a short time, got a job, and have been trying to stay. And these are the people you want. They don't have any interest in not working. They have no interest in not, you know, providing for their families and starting a better life. And yet for some reason, we seem to have thrown a drag net out in the world and just said, come one, come all. But for some reason,

there's some sort of reverse filter. And it just punts out all the people. that you would ultimately want. Like, it just doesn't make any sense. I think it could happen. I'm not saying it will happen and things will get better, but I just would push back on the notion that there isn't enough time. I think the issue with time is really down to will, is the will of the people there. I will just say quickly, it's hard to judge Carney on his first, his Canadian term,

just to say, I mean, he inherited Canada in 2008, everything was a disaster. but I do really look to his time in the UK, 2013 to 2020. And I look at where the UK is right now. And I mean, he's never a sitting member of parliament. But, I mean, he pulled a lot of the purse strings. Even though they had, you know, they had labor governments, then they had success conservative governments back to labor. The UK is an abstract disaster.

They are a mess. They are a mess financially. They're a mess. economically. I that again, like his fingerprints are all over that and his term ended at the beginning of COVID or sometimes just in 2020. So I find that to be just anecdotally quite scary,

especially having lived in the UK for a number of years and having seen it then and seeing it now and it's just I like it's it's a shadow of what it was. It truly is the one place that I think you want to talk about there's no time. the UK is not fixing itself. It will never happen. Germany could. Canada could. Lots of places could. They won't. They can't. And a lot of those ruinous policies came at the time that he was in charge of the purse strings. Coming back to your idea that Canada could and really what it takes is a significant shift in the will of the nation, I would say, yeah, you got to have a shift in the will of the nation, but you have to have a total change in the system of governance as well.

Because you're not doing this under a democratic process in a hurry. There's just no way. We're going to go dictatorship. If you want to do it in a hurry, you kind of have to, right? And that's what doesn't maybe need to completely break before we even consider fixing them again. And just back to this notion that Mark Kearney at the Bank of England there, that's particularly what's scary about him. He understands how the central bank works and he knows that they should stand up and get in the way of the government. But he knows how to work a central bank.

So it's that one check and balance with the money is now gone within Canada because he knows how the central bank works. was yeah like do you think that the central bank was an honest check and balance in the last decade no but the thing is at least they they put up the farce of that it's a bit of a check and balance but uh it's don't you think this sorry uh to like try them in here but like don't you think this is why this conversation around Alberta independence or Alberta whatever, this thing, because you look at all the rules and you go like,

guys, like the reason times against us, because even if you get the right government in place, you look at the Senate, you look at everything and you go like, how do we get through all the red tape and all the hoops that have been put in place and all pitfalls and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And you look at it and you go like,

I just don't know if it can happen. Now, right, by having a province or provinces, because I mean, Quebec is actively got a party that's running on that platform as well, where you go-

Could you imagine how hilarious it would be if they separated? And then they're like, well, what do you mean? We don't get egalization. Oh, I would just, I,

oh, sure, but I mean, like, that would force everybody at a table and whether or not you separate or you go independence or you're 51st state

and all these different ideas rolling around, that would fundamentally jump through a whole bunch of the hoops that you would, you'd just bypass them, wouldn't you? Or am I wrong on that? I agree. It goes back to the question of will again,

where the people that I've talked to around Alberta, there's no will to even go down that road. There's no will until Carney's in. If we think Carney is the end game, then I think once Carney is in, the talks around Alberta and its place in Confederation goes, supersonic. Like I talked around rural Alberta and the smaller cities,

absolutely. Yeah. Well, this is, this is something I was thinking a lot about earlier because I had tuned in quite a while ago this afternoon. And, you know,

Canada really lacks a sense of nationalism. And, you know, kind of what spurred this, this idea was, um, somebody was talking about how CBC was funded. Um,

and now Carney's going to have, sorry, if Pahliav gets in, they're going to have this complete shift in the nationally funded media. So, you know, you have, I don't even want to say half the country. It's more than half of the voting majority gets one set of information that is completely orthogonal to what everybody else gets. And I was thinking about, like, very much about taking action. Like, how do we actually wake people up to the reality that Canada is completely screwed that, look, most of you can't afford groceries.

You know, the system has worked for a number of people. But at the end of the day, you're worse off than you were 20 years ago, 10 years ago, five years ago. So, you know, actually trying to be pragmatic about rebuilding a sense of national identity. Maybe this is a pivot point once things, you know, to Faisal and Brett's points, maybe things get so terrible, we get to such a pain point that this helps another segment of the population to wake up and to understand that, you know, CBC was not giving you an accurate picture of where the country is. Yeah, 100%. 100%. The notion, again, like, I try to at least posit the

the opportunity for a pivot. I mean, my heart tells me, I don't think we will pivot because unfortunately, you know, I'm trying to be generous enough to the population, but there just doesn't,

people don't seem to care about anything. Nobody seems to give a shit. Like, and it really irks me. Like, as an example, we've been hearing forever. I use this example all the time. Oh, you know, everybody's, there's 40% of the population is $200 in,

in increasing. bills away from not being able to pay said bills or to pay their mortgage or whatever. And meanwhile, we've seen this, you know, explosive rise in inflation. We've seen here in Canada stagflationary. Household debt. Sorry? Household debt as well. Oh, yeah. Household debt, credit card debt. Everything's gone parabolic. Somehow everybody's just hanging on. And, you know, you do save yourself. Hanging on, but refusing, hanging on but refusing to accept. the reality of the situation that we're in. I don't want to cheer on anarchy. I don't in any way, shape or form. Like, I can do that. I have two kids. You could? Well, I mean, this is the system

they're presenting us. And you know what? If you're going to tell us this is the only, this is the only governmental way forward. All right. Well, I don't want a governmental way forward then. No, no, no, 100%. And honestly, this comes back full circle to Tom's point about, but we're not talking to you. we need accountability but the only way that you're going to get it is probably after a hard rain like unfortunately and this will touch everybody there is no notion that oh i have this particular hard asset or i have my finances in a row over here or my family lives in a little bubble enclave and so we won't know everybody's going to feel it it's going to be terrible that's the that's the awful thing about it is that it's so manifestly self-evident that we are on the

Recipes of just awful. And yet people seem to be so friggin reluctant to realize it. Sometimes you do think to yourself, maybe the hard rain is the only thing that will happen. And you can't discount the fact that, you know, if you're looking to like the Balkans or Eastern Europe, places like that, there's some living memory of hardship. Even, you know, there is still lingering memories in Germany's and places like that, even though their actions right now would contradict what I'm saying. But here we have, there is no There's no hardship in anybody's, you know, recent past, at least on mass. Everybody's been comfortable forever.

And everybody's just under the impression that, you know, come hell or high water, the government will do something no matter what happens to smooth things over. So, you know, it does point in the direction of if you want accountability and you want action, we probably need pain. Wayne, from this malaise. Wayne Peters from What's Up Canada, guest of the podcast over, well, friend of the show. He says, we live in an instant gratification.

What's in it for me, society used to accepting only having the choice of the lesser of the evils. Yeah, that's right. And I think, you know, just circling back to Nicholas's point, there's a significant part of the population that has been completely insulated from everything. And that portion of the population grows and it doesn't stop growing. We've got something like what? 30% of our working population works for the government.

Yeah. Oh, I mean, directly and indirectly. How many, how many of their jobs do you think are going to be affected by tariffs? Right. I'm going to say none. They didn't lose their jobs during COVID.

They didn't experience slowdowns in their respective economies that resulted in reductions of their annual bonuses. They have been completely unscathed from all real world consequences of the policies put in place by the people they overwhelmingly vote for. And, too, as we read this this week, don't forget that they'd been ordered back to work from working and they don't keep a fuck. They're not even doing that.

And only 60, they're not even doing that. It was like 60% of them have gone back. The other 40% are like, yeah. Oh, it's worse than that. It's worse than that. Okay. Next election, we go downtown like into, you know, Mucky Muck neighborhoods where, you know, it's all middle management.

It's, you know, salaries over 150, 200,000 household, probably over 300,000, 350,000. And you just look at the science. And I mean, honestly, when you live in a neighborhood long enough, you kind of know what people, you know, a good chunk of them, what they do for a living. And it's like people actively vote against their interests. Like, I'm sorry, but if you live in downtown Calgary and you're in oiling gas and you've got an orange sign on your yard, I don't even know. Like, this is, this is Darwin

awards type stuff. Like, does it make any sense whatsoever? But, and yet, here we are. Like, people will vote for a person that wants to shut down oil and gas when their paycheck comes from oil and gas. Like, there's, ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. There's just, there's nothing more to be said. Yeah. Well, it certainly underscores, uh, the, the thesis or whatever you want to call it presented by Yuri Besmanov back in the 80s. Yeah. That guy is undefeated. He's undefeated on it. And Canada's a poster child for what he was talking about. They did it. They did it successfully in Canada. And it's not recoverable, in my opinion,

because if you'll remember back, or not recoverable in a short period of time at all, because if you remember back to what Yuri was talking about, you know, you're a minimum 20 years away from fixing your problem because you've got to get in, you've got to retake your education system. You've got to reteach the next generation, the right values, the right morals, the right principles, the meaning of life, etc., etc. And all of that has been gutted and drained from Canada.

It didn't really happen in my generation, So I'm a, what do you call me, a Gen X, born in 1974. But I definitely saw it in my younger sister's generation. She was born 10 years after me in 84. And I see it in the way she thinks today. And then that makes her a millennial. And whatever comes after the millennials, you kind of see it in them as well. And unless and until we can, you know, our foundation is rotten.

Our foundation is absolutely rotten. So, you know, we're mostly. minimum 20 years away, probably more like 30 to 40 years away from turning this country around. And where is the U.S. is rotten. And what we need is a new cornerstone. There you go. Exactly.

You need to lay a new cornerstone and rebuild it. You can throw a plug for May 10th, too. I like it. Everybody on this goal is going to be there. Are we possibly going to have the time to do any of that, given the pace that we're seeing out of the US, given the shifts that we're seeing in the world order as being pushed and pulled by the likes of Russia and China. And yeah, I think our best bet is to come to terms with the fact that if we want to maintain

our lifestyles, if we want to actually end up doing something with this gift that we were given called this landmass of Canada, you know, I think we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that we're going to need to integrate a little bit more. deeply and more fairly, let's say, with the U.S. I don't think we have a choice. Gentlemen, we are closing in on 7.30 on this end, I know for Faisal, it'd be 9.30, and we got 10 minutes left. I'm going to cut after hours off. I can see 2's going, really? We went this far. We're not going to go until 10 o'clock tonight.

No, we are not. We're going to go till 7.30 with the after hours portion. What other words would you like to put in my mouth, Sean? You're going to ask you what my closing thoughts are. Why don't you just tell me what they are. I'm sure Tuesday is going to say thanks for everybody hopping on. No, I don't want to, I don't like every time I do this, we'll go for an extra 40 minutes. We've been, we started, like I've been thinking of the pace we've been running at with this show. Tews calls me at 1130 and I go, are you nuts?

Like, what time are we going to start at? Five? No, three. Should be clear, I did not suggest this. I asked if we should be doing it. I didn't say, let's do this. I would say this has been a great conversation. I want to, we've got 10 minutes left.

What would you like to bring up to's or Tom, Brett, Faisal, Nick, anyone on the, whichever way you want to steer to the last 10 minutes, I'm good with it. You know what? I've got, I've been very happy with this conversation, very happy with this group. Wherever you want to go with it, the answer is yes, except John. I know. What do we think, you know, let's say once Pollyav gets in, what do we? think are prioritizing to take back this country to, you know, rebuild as Nick thinks we can, if Faisal thinks we don't? What are the first steps? Like, what are the big dominoes that we need

to hit first? I would say probably the lowest hanging fruit, and somebody can correct me, because I'm not too educated on the matter, is probably the interprovincial trade, would be one. is internally negotiated and probably something we could accomplish fairly quickly, get the cash flow flowing, get the cash flowing between the provinces more fluidly and more abundantly. I think that that is a very lofty goal, but the problem is that, well, from what I understand, a lot of it's just hidden. Like, for example, there's something in the material commonly used in, in car seats that are manufactured in Quebec that's illegal for them to be put in car seats in Ontario.

And so anybody who manufactures car seats in Quebec has to do this other thing to get in. And there's a whole lot of stupid stuff like that. Like in BC, you can only, I can't remember which way this is. But in BC, you can only transport alcohol at night. And in Alberta, you can only transport it during the day. Oh, my God. Really? Wow.

And so you've got a whole lot of, you've got a whole lot of really stupid rules in place. and you don't have anybody willing and it just baffles me why there isn't. Because the obvious thing is you say, look, if you guys want to have a rule on the books, give me a good reason why it's there. You know, we've got in Alberta, we've got the red tape production minister,

but even what he's done has been just startlingly obvious things and not a giant number of them. You think for the amount of time that that person's been in place, Dave McNally or Dave Nally, that there was, would just be like a pamphlet left. And it'd be like, yeah, these are the only rules we have left.

But that's not the case at all. I would argue that there's probably even more than when he started. And it just seems like such a no-brainer. And if you talked about it publicly, I mean, look at everything Doge is doing. And that's just with money. They haven't even got to the red tape yet. No, it's true. Man, that's a loaded question.

I believe, you know, most governance in the last number of administrations in the last number of years have talked about trying to fix interprovincial trade and never really done the square root of bugger all on it. It would make a lot of sense. I mean, certainly you would think if this is a crisis, and I think some of us would characterize it as such, and some of us would say it isn't. But if this is a crisis, this is an opportunity for the provinces to come together and put their longstanding issues at bay. If you have the will, there's a way. The problem here is that we, you know, a lot of people in Canada like to think of Canada as this harmonious country where it's one country, you know, number of provinces, territories, etc.

And we all come together and we work together and we're, you know, when it's convenient. But it's convenient as a slogan. But in reality, when you look at it and you look at the internecine sort of problems in therein, sometimes we function more like the EU than which is, you know, entirely an economic union where all they do is fight with each other on the most mundane stuff. Well, you can't call that Fedo. We own Fedo. You can't call that. But Casice is ours, et cetera, et cetera.

Like that's all great to me. Well, yeah, I mean, to all of us. But ultimately, I think that's a really, it's a really solid place to start. Faisal, I think, you know, I think that would be it because at least you know once you've got things humming along. It's not just pipelines. It's everything. It's BC wine flowing east. It's whatever.

It's all of it. It's all about cash flow, right? Foundations in place. At least you've sturted yourself and you've insulated yourself so that you can get all of your collective products across provincial barriers to tidewater and out so that you don't just rely on one partner. That would be a great place to start. Yeah.

If you can get the internal velocity of money to increase, you can, you know, you can just multiply your GDP accordingly. I mean, that's, and that helps with jobs and job security. and it helps with an optimism for what we might be able to do next. Anyways, that would be the first domino that I'd nominate. Brett's in banking. He's the one that we should be listening to, not us. Yeah.

Yeah, tell us how we can get a little itty-bitty whack. Well, there's a couple of different angles that we can take with this. And, you know, love them or hate him, Trump and the U.S. is really jolting the world into a fourth turning. And I think he's trying to avoid a major war while he's doing it. So he's trying to get us elevated to the next level. And as Canadians, we can sort of take a couple of different approaches to it. I don't think it should be the approach of team Canada versus the world.

I think attaching ourselves to Europe is a big mistake. Big mistake. Huge mistake. Huge. Yeah. Yeah. We could again go with a nuclear option with something that I was just thinking about on Friday. If we really wanted to stick it to Trump,

and I'm not proposing that we do this. We could price our oil and gold. And that would rattle some cages like you would not believe. We're not smart enough to do that. Are you kidding me, man? You need to be smart. We've got zero gold. We don't even know that gold exists.

If we did something like that, that would basically flip the entire financial world on its head overnight. And it would really jolt candidate action, but it would piss the U.S. off to no end, to the point where they have their plan for taking over candidate in 24 hours, engage. Here we go. Talking about end game. But the thing is, I find it funny how these politicians really talk tough, but I think it's just all political nonsense at this point until they actually get sort. serious about doing something. So anyway. Sean, you're muted.

I'm muted. That's okay. Gentlemen. Okay, fine. Sure. Whatever, Sean. Go ahead. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on tonight.

This has been, you know, it's been a lot of fun. And I appreciate you hopping on with us for after hours and all the people that have hopped in. But we're going to let everybody out and on with their Sunday evening. I appreciate you guys doing this. Hopefully it's not the last time. Absolutely. Thanks, John, for having us.

Thank you very much, gentlemen. Thanks. We'll be a part of it. All right, Tews. Well, we started with an idea at 1130, and I know I'm going to talk and throw a bunch of words in your mouth. But we started with an idea at 1130. Mrs. Tews, once again, shut up.

He's like, why aren't you guys doing this? So then we, like, my brain is like mush right now because I've been running the phone and running everything. And I got people saying, let me hop on. I got a whole bunch of texts coming in. I'm like, if you could see the background of what I'm trying to juggle with all these people coming on, and it has been, I don't know what your thoughts, Tews are. before we let out, but we got we got 11,000 people watch.

I think it's a raging success. We had like, we had significantly more people than watch the Ontario election. I, I couldn't even believe it. Like, because when I was talking to you about it, it wasn't along the lines of should we do this. It was, I don't know. Like, some people might think this is a big deal. I don't. I think this is dumb.

I think it's great because no matter who they pick to win, they all suck. And they're all completely interchangeable. And so, you know, I didn't see it as being something that would resonate with people very much. And it appears to have very much done so. Yeah, I would agree. And the only thing I would say is we'd probably go longer. You know, if we had set this up properly where I hadn't been running breakneck speed to bring on people and get it lined up, because, you know, like, I hate to let the cat out of the bag. But we haven't, I have said this like six times now.

We started this 1130 this morning. So we've been going now for eight straight hours, eight and a half hours of trying to line people up, trying to get the live stream set up, trying, trying, trying, trying, and of course, this is what comes of it. When twos and me were first topped on, I'm like, listen, I'm going to be doing a whole bunch of things in the background. You just worry about whether or not the guests come in and everything else. So it's, you know, one of the things to all the people wanted to hop on is as we get closer to a federal election, one of the things we're going to make sure we do on this side is we're going to make sure. talk about it ahead of time. Yeah, and let people know that it's coming, right? Like literally we did zero promotion of this.

We literally just hopped on. We're like, okay, we're going to do what we always do and cover something and, you know, and see where it goes. And now, you know, we get, like I say, you got 11,000 plus people tuning in, which is super cool. And we appreciate that. We appreciate everybody's thoughts on the comments and everything else. And that's just how many people are watching right now. Right now. Not have many people tuned in.

Because, I mean, this is over four and a half hours at this point. Yeah. And the thing is it'll go. Oh, at some point I'll get uploaded onto the podcast and a bunch of other places. Like, it's going to go way more than that. But I don't know what Tuesday. We come up with these, not silly ideas, but, you know, like one of the things that on this side, you know, is like, you want to cover everything. But, you know, at times, it's a Sunday.

I'm like, who has their next prime minister announced on a Sunday evening? Like, imagine how big of a deal it is for a bunch of fucking bureaucrats to show up for work on a Sunday. Yes. Okay. I agree. Yeah. Oh, shoot. I had, oh, that was the other thing I thought.

The one thing that really stood out for me tonight was when Brian Lilly said that he'd been flipping through the channels, seeing what everybody else was talking about. And he said that all the mainstream was just hitting their parroted talking points of just basically whatever the liberals told them to say kind of thing. What the liberals told them was important was what they were talking about. Whereas we went to completely, we didn't even talk about it for probably half the show. we were talking about broader ramifications of other things. But the point is that I think this was probably the, I don't know, there might have been some other people streaming it or, you know, doing something else like that.

But I think we're one of the only people there who were having an honest conversation about what was happening. Well, one of the things you can expect out of this show is you're going to get a whole wide variety of people. You know, we talk about being an echo chamber, but like when you had Grant and Vesper or Vesper and anyone for that matter. Vesper doesn't... He doesn't...

He doesn't... He's not being rude. One of the things I appreciate... No, no, I'm not saying he's rude at all. Let's be very clear. He has an honest conversation. He just... He just is going to confront the ideas.

And as that's added in, I think that's, you know, it's like, oh man, I don't want to let any of these people out. But at the same time, we can't have a conversation between 15 or 20 people or, you know, I was joking before... We should do that for like a half hour or something like that one time, just for shits and giggles. Let's just have, like, to the point where everybody gets their own pixel. That's how many people are on.

And then it's just the Wild West. Either way, a whole bunch of the guests that we're on here tonight are going to be in Calgary, May 10th at the event. May 10th is, for people who have no idea, we have an event coming up, May 10th in Calgary. And I hope to see people there. Go check out my ex. It's literally sitting in the top posted tweet.

You can find it there. You can find tickets there. A lot of the people that were either speaking tonight are going to be on stage or are going to be in the audience, which is super cool. A lot of the people watching alongside you tonight are going to be there. That's right. So either way, Tews, thanks for doing this. Thanks to Mrs. Tews for pushing on us. And now I've got to go give my wife a hug for disappearing on a Sunday when I'm supposed to be at home around the kids and to all the people across Canada or down south that tuned into this.

Actually, I should pull up. We had people listening in. Oh, man. Let me find it here. You say a couple of course while I find it. You know what? In the meantime, I just want to point out that I wasn't even sure about this. And Sean immediately was like, yes.

And all it would have taken from his side to be like, yeah, I don't know. I don't think anybody really cares about Carney. I don't think, I don't know. It doesn't really. And I would have been like, okay, cool. So we're not crazy. I'm not crazy. That's it.

But as it turned out, I was the crazy one here because people were very happy to see it. and so that's about it. Here. Okay, so we had people vacation in Dominican Republic. Grand and tuna, Fort Applata, Mike and Ingrid. So I waited until the very end to give you a shut out, but we got people streaming it on the beach.

Can I just go ahead and say that if you're tuning in on vacation, don't, don't. There is nothing that either one of us is ever going. going to say over the course of our entire lives that's going to be interesting enough to merit you tuning in from the fucking beach. I think it's pretty cool that people are interested in conversation around Canada because it was the Ontario election we had people in from Mexico. We had a viewing party from there.

I had the picture sent and that was pretty cool too. So either way, it's been super, super cool on this side. Tews as always, we're back live Fridays folks, 10 a.m. Mountain Standard time. Yeah, we should actually plug our regular show. which means in Saskatchewan, it's the same time, correct? Like I think time change, we're, you know, Saskatchewan, don't worry about something the, yeah. The 11,000 of you beautiful people watching right now, if you're new to this show, every

Friday at 10 Mountain Standard Time, we cover Rapid Fire the Weeks events. And we, I don't know, past maybe 20 episodes or so, we've started off with kind of a roundtable similar to what we had tonight. And then we just go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, through everything interesting, funny or stupid happening in the world. And there's a lot of stupid. Tews. Till Friday.

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