Shaun Newman Podcast - (Replay) #362 - Ken Drysdale

Episode Date: December 3, 2023

Structural engineer who has spent 41 years preparing reports. He is the author of what has been coined the "Drysdale Report" which is an 89 page forensic audit of COVID19. We discuss small town politics, C19 & life in Manitoba. To download full copy of the report: https://thetruefactsc19.com/ Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:⁠https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast⁠ E-transfer here: ⁠[e-mail]

Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Sunday. Oh, yeah, Sunday. Well, we're going back for number nine, most downloaded episode of 2023. You might be scratched in your head. You're going, Sean, it was December 2020. Well, full disclosure, I run the calendar year from December 1st to December 1st. So the episodes that come out here in December will be a part of the 2024 calendar. And if you go back, to December 2022 on episode 362 was Ken Driesdale. Do we remember Ken? The Driesdale report? Holy Man, like, holy man. Eighty-nine pages of a forensic audit of COVID-19. Of course, he went on to be part of the citizens inquiry and everything else. And actually, we've been talking to Ken off and on to try and get him back on. And it just hasn't worked. But, you know, one of the fascinating things about where I sit is when you go back and you look at the numbers and see,

see where people spent the most time, right? Obviously, you know, Drysdale beating out Robert Malone. If you put those side by side, you might go, oh, Robert Malone's going to be where your top, you know, top 10. I'm not slighting anybody here. But Ken Drysdale, a Manitoba boy, slides in to number nine spot. And it was back in December of 2022 when I first sat down with them. So here is the replay of episode 362 with Ken Drysdale. I hope you enjoy it. Happy Sunday, folks. And number nine on the countdown.

Welcome to the Shaw Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Ken Drysdale. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Well, thank you very much for asking me. It's been a, it'll be a pleasure. It's been a pleasure talking to you before the show started. You know, it's funny, your name, I was saying this on the phone when we first talked, Your name has come up through my channels.

I don't know. It's been months and months and months of Drysdale, Drysdale, Drysdale. And I don't know why I can never expect to the listener or maybe even the guest. Why you didn't just pick up the phone and make a couple emails and all of a sudden you'd be on? Because sometimes that's exactly the way it works. And other times, it just seems like it doesn't go that way. And then you almost fall in my lap anyways because it was like three things happened in the same day. and the guy, and I'm like, okay, sure, like it's happening.

So it's pretty cool. I appreciate you giving me some time. Oh, wonderful. I appreciate the opportunity. Well, let's start here. I think a lot of people know exactly who you are in Canada, but there's going to be a lot that probably don't. So let's just start wherever you want for the listener.

What's Ken's background, and then we'll just see where we get to from there? Well, I think the most important part of my background is I'm married to Rosalie. We have six children together and we have four grandchildren. So that's a good place to start. I was raised on a, believe it or not, a mink ranch in Stony Mountain as a child, which is just outside the city of Winnipeg. I became a professional engineer in the very, very, very early part of the 1980s. So I've been a professional engineer for over 40 years. and in that time, you know, right from the very beginning,

I started to get involved in forensic engineering work. And what that means is just a fancy word for if something falls down, breaks, blows up, or doesn't work. They come to me to figure out what the heck happened. And generally, I would write some kind of report that might be used in court or might be used in arbitration or mediation or something else. So that's kind of a couple of second summary of, you know, my experience and what kind of a person I am, I guess.

Well, I think we're going to get along quite well. I always enjoy a man whose first thing he says out of his mouth is bringing up his wife and his six kids. I think that's certainly needed more than ever in our world, men who are proud of their family and their kids. I think that's pretty cool. Six kids, that's an awfully big family. You know, I come from a family of five kids. I have three of my own. Six is large.

Was that planned or did you want more or less? Well, first off, I come from a family of ten children who were raised in a 750-square-foot house without running water. But, no, with all honesty, I had three children. Rosalie had three children in a previous marriage, and we welded the two together. and so we have a combined family of six children. Okay, okay. You've got to take me back now, though. 750 square foot, no running wall, and 10?

You know, it's funny, you're not an anomaly. I mean, I've interviewed old farmers, ranchers, that type of thing, and they have similar stories. I bet you the house, though, was quite the place to be, or they just booted you outside every single day. Well, that was a lot to do with it, and that really had to do with survival. We have that many. There were always babies in the house, too, you know, so, you know,

mum was always having, you know, the birthing process in our house was 20 years. So my oldest sister is 20 years older than my youngest. So there was always babies and toddlers and everybody running around. So, yeah, if you could walk and stay warm, you were outside the house or you were working in the mink ranch. And explain Mink Ranch. ranch. I'm drawing a blank here. What is a mink ranch? Well, you know, it's something that a lot of folks draw blanks on now, but in those days, starting in about the 1940s, it was popular for people to

wear mink fur coats. And you'll see them in all the old movies. You know, they were always smoking a cigarette and wearing their beautiful mink coat. And we had a ranch just outside, probably about 12 miles outside of North of Winnipeg, and we had 5,000 mink of various colors. from pastel to sapphire. 5,000? Oh yeah. Whoa, okay. And let me tell you,

they're miserable little animals. They're not like dogs or cats. And then I guess you would essentially farm them for their fur then. Yes, correct? Yeah. Because you wouldn't, would there be any other product that comes out of a mink? Well, to be totally honest,

we had a little guy who lived out in the country from us, and he supposedly had a little camel business with a bunch of dogs, and it was true. He had about 35 of the wildest, most vicious dogs you've ever seen in your life. I don't think he ever sold one. But anyway, this little old guy lived out there, and he used to come up to our farm every couple of weeks or every week in the summertime, and he'd pick up bones and stuff from us.

And then when we were harvesting the mink, he would take. the buy products and apparently feed them to those dogs. So there you go. Okay, fair enough. That was kind of odd, but it's true. And again, you know, it shows you kind of the difference between what's going on today and what was happening, you know, 50, 60 years ago. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, there's a reason why I'm sitting here going. Yeah, Mink Farms. Yeah, okay. It makes sense. But at the same time, we're so past that now that you would never even think of it anymore. lead me through where boats are you you're in manitoba correct yes uh how have things been i've interviewed several different people from manitoba i think over the course of the last couple years but you know um in that i i sit right on the border of saskatchew and alberta so

that's the two provinces instead of staring at one province i get to stare at two and i can certainly say that i didn't really keep uh close tabs on manitoba how how was the last couple of years. And certainly, how are things now, I guess, you know, kind of give the picture to the listener of what you've seen there and, you know, obviously your report and everything else, Ken, I mean, all that factors into everything. Yeah. I mean, Manitoba, and I hate to say this, but in my opinion, it's true, has been a little bit of an abnormality in Western Canadian provinces. You know, there's a lot going on in Alberta, you know, right up to the premiership. You know, there's people who seem to be making a difference,

and I've got my fingers crossed over your new premier, Daniel Smith. Saskatchewan, Premier Mole has also been moving, I believe, in the right direction. He was a little bit slower off the mark. But, you know, they're passing, I guess Alberta has now passed their legislation with regard to sovereignty. Saskatchewan is in that process. Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Alberta, the Yukon,

and I believe one other province are now saying no to Trudeau's gun grab. But Manitoba has been fairly silent. And it's been a hard push here. People seem to think it's all over now. And why do we have to do anything? You know, let's get back to having our lattes and going to Mexico. And what, what are you talking about?

I want a latte. I want to go to Mexico. Cameron, I'm not allowed to that. So, so do I. But I guess to do so, I have to drive across the border and take a flight from the U.S. But, you know, Manitoba has always been a bit of an abnormality. We're different. And this isn't a criticism.

We're different than most than Alberta and Saskatchewan. and a whole bunch of different fundamental ways. First way is that Winnipeg is uniquely isolated. Where, for instance, in Alberta, you've got Calgary and Edmonton in competing cities, supportive cities, and it has some cross-pollination there. Saskatchewan's the same. You know, you have Regina and Saskatchewan. But Manitoba really doesn't have that.

I mean, we do have the city of Brandon, but it's not comparable. You know, I don't know the population of Brandon off the top of my head, but it's probably 20, 30,000 people. So Manitoba is fairly isolated. You know, you have to drive 29 hours. 51,000 in Brandon. There you go. So it's not comparable, for instance, to Regina, Saskatoon or Calgary, Edmonton.

And as a result, Manitoba finds itself a little bit isolated. And, you know, the other interesting thing about Manitoba is that, you know, in the summertime, it's almost a ghost city. everybody just leaves you know they go to the cottage and cottages are a big big deal here i i can't even tell you how many thousands and thousands of cottages there are here so it's a unique city um you know retailers as i understand it when they're going to start a new product or start a new store a new concept guess what they try it on winnipeg because it's such a cloistered market that it you know it's you know that old expression that you can make it new york you can make it anywhere no no no it's really mad at all it's really it's really

really went up big. And you know, our government has been, it's reflective. It's, you know, we've got a new premier. There was a lot of controversy when she came to power. There were lawsuits involved. There were some, in my opinion, there were some shady dealings there during the leadership election. And our premier has been silent. You know, there aren't doing anything. It's all the same old stuff. I wanted to use a different word. you know the the medical officer that led us by the nose through this whole COVID pandemic well he kind of disappeared off the scene and retired and they put somebody else in now and and I think a lot of these types of folks are now heading for the hills because you know

things are going to start happening here across Canada so like I said Manitoba is a little a little odd. There is a strong movement here, a strong freedom movement, a strong, but it's quite small. And I would sure wish that our government

would start getting on board and representing the people like they seem to be doing in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Yeah, you know, I'm sitting here in Lloydminster, you know, I think it was the premier who joked to me that we're the edge of the world

because we sit on the border. So, you know, we're kind of out in the middle of nowhere. you know, two hours to Evanton, two in a bit to Saskatoon, and we're just kind of like, you know, a little island. Plus, we're raiding the border. So, you know, Saskatchewan doesn't want us. Alberta kind of doesn't want us, you know, it's kind of the edge. But when you think about Winnipeg, you're not wrong.

You know, like you go east of Winnipeg. And, I mean, sure, you got towns out that way, but there's not a whole, like, your next big center is probably what, Sue St. Marie? Would that be? Well, in the Thunder Bay, Thunder Bay. But there's nothing in Manitoba, sorry. And if you go west, certainly you have some cities to the west of Winnipeg, but your giant center, or big center, is Regina.

And that's, what, five hours away, roughly? Yeah, it's five hours away. You guys kind of are the edge of the world when it comes to where the population is all scattered into bigger centers, I guess. I don't mean to knock Manitans at all. I just hadn't really thought about it, to be honest. Yeah, no, it's not knocking something to tell the truth about it, you know, and just say the fact. And, you know, Manitoba has been very slow, extremely so painfully slow, to develop some of the resources that we have.

You know, I spent 30 years, 25 years working in the high Arctic regions of Canada, and I understand northern Manitoba and the province overall. and we could be a very rich, successful province, and people scoff at that. But, you know, look at Saskatchewan, 25 years ago or 30 years ago, look at Saskatchewan, look at it today. It's one of the most progressive advancing provinces in the country, in the Confederation, along with Alberta. Alberta is starting to move now in the right direction, although there is some odd animalities going on in Calgary, which is a surprise to me. Having kind of grown up with Calgary, you know, Calgary was a second home to me back in the late 80s, early 90s.

We did a lot of business there at one time. So, you know, I see a lot of potential for Manitoba. And, you know, but the political side don't even talk about that. You know, they don't even talk about the development of Churchill as a deepwater port, you know, getting rid of the reliance on the federal government to move Albertan and Saskatchewan, and Manitoba bore oil to market would be a pipeline to Churchill through the three provinces, sidestep the federal government. You know, the people have been whispering about this for years and years.

I spent a lot of time in Churchill. I designed or was the project manager and one of the chief designers for the airport, the airport terminal there. But there's not even a whisper going on in Manitoba, you know. Saskatchew and Alberta, they're both talking about it. you know, where's a development in our oil patch? We have a great deal of oil and gas in Manitoba. Nothing, you know, it's really odd.

It's, it's, it's terrible. It's, it's shameful. You know, we're struggling, and we're watching the advancements in Alberta and Saskatchewan with the similar resource base that we have. It's just, it's heartbreaking, frankly. Yeah, you know, I don't, I sit on this, and I, you know, um, relatively new to political scene. And, uh, but in saying that, you know, uh, when it came to Alberta's last, uh, the UCP

election when, when Daniel Smith won, I mean, I interviewed five of the seven. So I was pretty, you know, finger on the pulse, so to speak. I was, I was, I totally got it. Um, and yet Danielle came out of nowhere, right? I mean, relatively. I mean, she's been around politics all over light. I mean, uh, for her to come in and win it as a non-sitting MLA, you know, and, and to do it in such style and fashion. And now, you know, now May around the book, I know everybody's staring at May now because we're about to have the next election, right?

Where it's, this will be a proof in the pudding if, you know, if she can get elected for four years and actually get to continue on what she's been doing here for the last little bit. Or is it going to be Rachel Notley and holy, holy hell, hang on to the, because that could be a dangerous little go. you know it's interesting why wouldn't they want to do that in mobile would it be would it be the environmental side of things they they don't want that going um you know into the church and and and business and and things because to me it's like at some point here if if the west

just started working together um you wouldn't have to worry about what federally the Akamona or Ottawa is trying to push or anything else because you just and then everyone it'd be net benefit to all three purposes. Oh, absolutely. I mean, Manitoba is a bit of a roadblock and I'm not sure, to be honest, I've watched it, I grew up in it, I saw it, I'm not sure why we keep going that way. I have a feeling with regard to the politicians and this is not unique to Manitoba, but somehow conservative politicians,

believe that by spouting off the rhetoric of the mainstream media, that the mainstream media will support them. And you watch this happen with the federal conservatives. They thought that they could kind of go against the principles of what their voters believed in because then they wouldn't take such a beating in the media. But no, no, no. You can't convince somebody to hate you that hates you not to just because you want to spout some words. And I think that's part of the problem here in Manitoba. First, we have a very

unimpressive group of politicians here, particularly in the premiership and those ones that were running. And I know, I mean, I don't know Ms. Evanson, but I certainly know the people are running against her. I've met with had meetings with them and discuss things with them. And what a group of unimpressive people. And, you know, and it's not just today. I mean, I can tell you stories. You know, when I was an engineer working, I was doing business in Europe and all over the world, and it was always interesting whenever I would bring a contingent from, from somewhere to Manitoba, you know, I was just doing it on my own and I wasn't saying anything, but they always knew, so I would get this phone call from somebody in government. Oh, you know, we're here to help you,

can, and we'd like to bring them into the legislative buildings. I remember being so embarrassed one time because I had a group of Austrians who wanted to do a biodiesel plant. So they were going to make an extraction plant, oil extraction from canola plant, and Manitoban shipped the raw oil to Austria. And I remember I said yes to a meeting with the provincial government, and we were a meeting with them, and they brought in, I don't know what the heck the portfolio is called now, but in those days it was called industry and trade. And I think it's now industry, trade, climate change, diversity, a whole bunch of other

crazy things. but I remember they trotted out our minister of trade, and that person was a schoolteacher. And I thought to myself at the time, and I heard all the insane things she was saying to these people from Austria, and I was embarrassed, and I remember thinking, why on earth would we appoint the minister of trade to, I don't know if she was a middle school teacher

or an elementary school teacher before she got elected? Why would we do that? We couldn't find somebody who was in industry, who knew something about industry, and appoint them. And, you know, that process continues. You just need to look at our federal ministers. I mean, what qualifications do any of them have for their portfolios there in?

You know, you think if you had a portfolio in, I don't know, in trade, you would have somebody who had something to do with trade in there, and maybe a business person who did international business. But nope, you know, they'll put somebody in there who sold shoes, you know. And it's just when you do those kinds of insane things, you know, It's like when I was running my company, if I wanted a bookkeeper, guess what? I would hire a bookkeeper. I wouldn't hire a auto mechanic.

You know, I'd hire a bookkeeper. If I needed an engineer, I hired an engineer. I didn't hire a doctor. It's just, but our government does it completely differently. And why do you think we get the results we get? Well, it's a fun system, though, isn't it? Because if you look at why that is, it's probably because a school. teacher felt conviction to run in their area.

Then they win the election because people said person. But then when they get into government, now they need a minister of said position. And they're looking around going, well, who can we put in it? We got school teachers. We got no knock on school teachers. I feel like I'm married to one. But it's like putting me in a position of honestly energy. Well, I mean, I guess it worked in the oil field, but I don't know.

Somewhere, child care or something, there has to be something where I'd be like, I'm just like, I don't know what I'm doing here. if you ran and you win and you're competent, then they look at you and what can you do in this place? And then it just seems like it's a bit of a flaw in our system. And I come back, I'll throw the idea at you can. It's a terrible idea, not a terrible idea, but I'm like, how do you recreate kind of like America's got talent

except Canada's got talent for politicians? So you go area by area and you foster. the idea of bringing people out to see who could be a good politician. And the reason I think this is, and this is no knock on Garth Roswell. Garth is my MLA for our area, okay? He runs for the UCP, UC boys wins. It's not, this isn't any, I'm not saying anything that isn't well-known, right? I live in a rural area, the UCP, the conservatives are going away.

I don't think anyone's going to touch it. So you got to run for the UCP. and I could be wrong in saying this aloud. So maybe there was one that went against him, but I'm pretty sure he's the only guy who ran, which means he's automatically in, which means he's automatically going to win a position in the next election. Like, it's just like it's hands down.

And so I'm like, okay, so we got four years of Garth left. When it comes to the next time, how, for an area, do you create, Anna's Got Talent, Politician Edition, so that you get somebody that you're like, now that, look at all the skills that they can do and offer our government. But you need that everywhere.

I don't know. It's a silly idea. I just, to me, there's not enough people interested in it or don't know enough about it or don't rely on the dates are or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's a big, big, murky game. Well, you know, I've been pondering this for quite some time, same as you are.

Sorry, I'm new to glasses and as I'm getting older, I need them and it always seems to me they're moving to one side or another. I don't feel bad. I'm drinking coffee in a white shirt and I already spilt on it. So that's how my morning is going. Like we're quite the duo here, the odd cover. Well, you know, Manitoba just went through a municipal election. And I'm in a, I live about an hour north of Winnipeg, so I'm out in a rural municipality.

And my rural municipality, mayors and the counselors were up for election. and my municipality split into two areas, Ward 1 and Ward 2. So they run three counselors in Ward 1. They run three counselors in Ward 2, and they run a mayoral candidates are the same for both wards, right? So the mayor was elected with no opposition. So by what's the word? My mind just went blank.

Whatever it is. So there was no opposition. She just got in automatically. Ward 1 had three counselors. No opposition. All three of them got in automatically. It wasn't even a vote. My ward, there were three incumbents.

In other words, three people who were already counselors. And running against them was another three or four candidates, I think. So there was like seven candidates for those three council positions. Three or four or five days before the election, there was a town hall meeting. And guess what? None. zero of the incumbent showed up. The mayor didn't show up.

The only people that showed up were the three new candidates running against the three sitting counselors in my ward. Guess what? The three incumbent counselors who didn't show up at the debate got in, all three of them. So how does how do the people of Canada expect a different solution when in my instance, in my rural municipality, over 50% of the people were elected by acclamation. That's the word. Acclamation.

We won't have anybody running against you. And then the other three got elected, even though they absolutely showed complete disrespect for their voters by not even showing up at the town hall meeting. Didn't even bother to show up. And yet they still got in. So how does that work? I mean, how do Canadians expect a different result? Now, there is a solution.

I believe, and it's a grassroots solution. You know, folks like you and folks like I and all of the people out there watching, unfortunately, folks, you've got to get involved if you want a different result. And you can't get involved two weeks before an election is called. You know, I mean, the ridiculous thing about, can our Canadian political system, particularly in the federal side, is the prime minister can call

an election and you've got, what's the minimum, 60 days or something? He calls an election in 60 days or 30 days or 90 days or whatever it is later. You know, so anybody who wants to run has to mobilize an almost zero amount of time. Do you imagine the advantage that gives the sitting or incumbent politicians? I mean, we saw it in the political, and the election and what was a fall a year ago in the fall um you know we have to give up the notion that when an election is called that's when politicians start coming out we have to get folks like you and i and and your viewers out there doing things now you know holding town hall meetings now finding out what people want to say pushing on the on their mLAs and their MPs now you know we've had a campaign

where we've been pushing hard on our MP. And, you know, our MP is a PC, and I'll be completely honest, I'm a member of the PC party. So this isn't a dig against the PCs, but I don't care if you're PC, NDP, or whatever the heck you are, if you're useless and you're not doing your job

and you're getting paid two or 300 grand a year, I'm going to call you out. And we've been calling this guy out. You know, we've been asking for, and we've got a fairly large group, we've been asking for meetings. and he's just dodging us. We sent letters, and he, to other subscribers,

you know, we have thousands and thousands and thousands of subscribers. You know, our website, which has been up since June, has had, I think it's around 172,000 unique visitors. You know, our report has been read probably a half a million times across Canada. And he won't meet with us because the last time we asked him, it was a retired police officer who was one of our subscribers. and he asked and our MP came back so oh you know I can't have a meeting with you guys because it's security concerns and of course we did a ridiculous post showing a bunch of mafia figures hiding in selkirk manitoba

waiting to get this MP who by the way showed up at every carnival all summer long you know if it was a potato eating contest or an egg balancing contest or whatever he was there and so these people even at that level, these people are treating us just like our municipal representatives do, they don't even bother to show up and they just expect to get elected.

And the way they get elected is, you know, half of the people vote or 35%, somewhere between 35% 51% of people vote. You know, that my MP, there's 70, I think it's about 75,000 eligible voters in my writing. Well, he won by a landslide.

He got 35,000 votes or 39,000 votes or something like that. Then the next person got 9,000 votes. Well, he got a landslide, but you know what? He's not untouchable because there's still another 40,000 people that are eligible. It didn't bloody well vote. And unless you can mobilize those people, you're not going to be successful. And unless you start doing it on a daily basis, on a weekly basis, you won't be successful. You know, we had a meeting with our MP last week.

we actually got a meeting. And unfortunately, I was in Calgary, but four or five people met with him, and we're going to have some posts coming very shortly. But you can't believe what RMP, Mr. James Bezan, told us in a meeting, which we have minotized. You can't believe the idiotic things he said,

because I don't know why he said, maybe that's what he really, I assume that's what he believes. And we'll be having some, is this a teaser or what? But we'll be having a blog post coming out very shortly. We've asked for, we were being very, very, very fair. Last week we requested another meeting so we could clarify some of the points that he brought up. So far, he's too busy.

And, you know, we'll wait for a little while longer. So I'm not quite just being teasing. I'm trying to be very, very, very fair. and there'll be a blockbuster post coming out in January. But, you know, if you don't start being citizens, instead of just people taking up space in our country, to be a citizen, you have to participate. If you don't start being citizens,

you don't start organizing your own town hall meetings, if you don't start sending out blog posts, if you don't start touching the ordinary people who to this date haven't bothered to vote, you will not make a change in this country. Well, I think what you're talking about is just preparation. One thing about the political world that is very,

very good to me is there are people who, to them, it is, you know, for me a hockey guy, it's their NHL. It is, and the difference is the stakes are way higher,

right? Like, I mean, uh, um, somehow, um, uh so no i'll finish that thought so when you get into it the reason you can't go in two weeks before

is they've been preparing for four years oh yeah right like they they just haven't been messing around with it and saying that it doesn't mean that they can't be you can't get different people like it it doesn't mean you can't win things it just you've got to be involved and pay attention to the dates everything else actually i i i just wrote down um i just need to figure out key dates for a bunch of different things because the first thing you can do is know when the elections are coming, right? It's funny. I sit here

and you go, how do you popularize politics? So that people actually like, know, it's like, if you ask me when Canada is, I know. You ask me when the NHL playoffs are, I know. You ask me when, you know, trade deadline is, all these things. I know.

I can just like start spitting off dates and I'm like, okay so what we're talking about is baby steps baby steps is like we have an election coming up in well and for me it's going to spit off May for for for for for for for for rent really because I know exactly when that's coming I know that the importance of that uh I think what we're talking about Ken is you you got to find a way to popularize local because that's what actually impacts me that's what impacts Ken is all these local elections that

all of us kind of walk by and don't give you know, honestly, I mean, how much time and effort do you give to? And how many people actually vote? I'd probably hurt my brain on how many people get in with, you know, a couple hundred votes or maybe a couple thousand. And I'm talking small. I'm talking all the way from school boards and city counselors and RMs out here, et cetera, et cetera.

And yet if you just knew, you could probably start to facilitate the town halls like you're talking about. For me, I got Garth Roswell coming on, our MLA. he's coming on in the podcast here first week of January, right? I'm like nervous and excited about it because I'm like, you know, I haven't like Garth's out there

beaten the, and I sound like I'm ragging on him, but it's not like he's out there beating the drum for anything, but I'm like, but for me, he's my MLA. I think it's really important to have him on and talk about things and get people to understand their local governance probably more than anything.

It's kind of where I'm at. Well, you know, if you're not watching as a citizen, if you're not watching your employees, if you're not monitoring what they're doing, if you have so little respect for yourself that they don't even bother to show up to report to you, if you keep that going,

we won't get change. You know, the next person coming in will just be spouting off all the same stuff because once they get elected, you know, perhaps when they're not, you know, when they're outside of the, the system. They're outside of that bubble. But once they get into that system and after a few years, all they hear is the same rhetoric within this little protected bubble. You know, they won't come out.

They won't have town hall meetings. They claim that they're accessible and all you could talk to us any time. But when you try to get a meeting or a conference or something, they won't. And when you write them a letter, you get a form letter back. And I can tell you, this is interesting. You know, we have subscribers right across the country coast to coast, and I hear from them constantly, emailing and whatnot. And quite unplanned, a number of our subscribers at the same time wrote letters to their MPs about our report and what was going on. And we all got responses, and guess what? Different MPs, different provinces. There was one in Alberta, there was one in BC, a couple in Manitoba, a couple of them in Ontario.

And it was exactly the same letter, except the name was signed differently on the bottom. The same letter. So you think that even your MPs got some form letters in their office that they put together. No, no, no, no. They're done federally. They all have the same letter. And they just have somebody sending it out, sending it out, sending it out. So, you know, that's just complete disrespect.

And that comes out of the fact that they're not afraid of you. You know, there's an old expression we've all heard. But they should be. Yeah, we've heard that, you know, the old expression, a thousand, million times, you know, the government should, the people shouldn't be afraid of their government. Yeah. The government should be afraid of their people.

And that's not where we're at. Well, it's just because we're not organized. We're distracted. You know, I remember when I was a little boy and my father, you know, when he was running the farm, he had to go and visit all kinds of other farms all the time. Every day he was driving hundreds of miles in his old pickup truck. And as a little boy, I used to sit next to Dad, you know, and drive down the highways with him. And I remember there were some towns, a little town in Manitoba called Woodlands.

It's about, I don't know, it's 30, 40 miles, 50 miles out of Winnipeg. And I remember this is back in the 60s, driving out into the country. And as we, you know, I'm always looking out the windows and dad wasn't a big talker. And so looking out the windows watching it. And as we passed a little town of Woodlands, Manitoba, and there was nothing the matter with all the farms and the yards and stuff we saw there, but particularly when we got past that point and we got further away from Winnipeg, more north, the yards were pristine, the hedges were trimmed, the trees were trimmed,

the apples were picked, the grass was cut and cut again, and it was just beautiful. Flowers were planted. And I remember saying to my dad, Dad, how come it changed so much from just as we passed woodlands to when we got north and my father looked at me he said no tv and that in those days there's no cable there's no satellite they broadcasted an antenna and passed about woodlands manitoba there was no television so people were taking care of their yards you know they were involved in politics they were

they were painting their houses but when they started to get distracted just with the two or three channels we had the 60s you could see it physically and now you got 500 channels and you've got endless stuff on the internet. What's more, frankly, what's more exciting? You know, watching this all broken down engineer on your podcast or watching the Kardashians do something completely insane, you know, and people are, it's like eating candy. They're hooked on it and they're, they get home at night and they turn the TV on and they don't talk to their kids. They don't talk to their schools. They don't go to church. They don't have community. And they're just hypnotized by this thing, by the media.

Yes. But I think I'm seeing more people breaking away from it because they realize that they just can't, it's kind of like, I was just talking about this the other day. First time I ever saw Jordan Peterson live, he started talking about things and he talks about this, right? Where he's like, you can see people are like, yeah, I've been thinking that, but I couldn't like put it into words. putting in words for me.

I see, and I'm going to speak men, I've got a lot of women who follow me, but I'm seeing it in men right now, that they start talking about something meaningful, and you're trying to pull them towards that, right, of why we need to protect the family unit, why we need to protect our community, right? Like, you think, like, I can't go save what's going on

in Europe or down in the States or whatever, but here in my little neck of the woods, we can start to do some things. And I see more and more men in particular going, yeah. Yeah, I like what you're saying there. That makes a lot of sense to me. And I don't know if that would have been, I could have been one of those guys three years ago,

and I would have been, huh? Sure. Yeah, I got to get over here and do these things, right? I mean, I'm busy or never. I'm as busy as anyone these days. But I still, I see more and more people understanding that we've lost community and to try and, try and pull some of that back together.

And certainly there's going to be people listening. Oh, my community, we're a great community. I'm not knocking our community. But listen to what Ken just said, and you go, yeah, there's a lot of the foundation that has been eroded that we're not with anymore. And we've got to find a way back to some of that. That doesn't mean going back to the Stone Ages, but it does mean talking about and dealing with some of the most important things about life. And when you talk about being distracted, I mean, there's, it used to be TV

now the TV is glued to your I'm no do I'm not I can't blame anyone that sucker is like you know like and you can get anything you talk about Kardashians like TikTok reals Twitter right you can just get on Twitter and just argue with somebody some people love that right and it just sucks them in and and like I mean

we got to find a way to use it's a good tool but we got to find a way to to um to protect each of our individual communities because once again, Sean can have the conversation, but Sean isn't racing over to Manitoba

to deal with what's going on there. I do find it interesting, though, that we're all starting to speak our language and recognize that there are some fundamental problems here that just need to be addressed. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. And I've been saying now for,

for several months, you know, probably starting in August. I was having lots, thousands of people from across Canada email me and just say, Ken, I'm ready to give up. We've lost.

We're not getting anywhere. And I would point out to them. And if you go to our website, the true fact c19.com, and go to the news feed or blog feed, but news feed. And you'll see me posting on that very thing, you know.

The very time when folks were talking about getting up, we were cresting the hill. In my opinion, we've crested the hill and we're starting to come down the other side now, you know. You're starting to see even the censorship platforms starting to loosen up. You see more stuff on Facebook now and you've ever seen. YouTube's still a bastion of censorship. Interesting. We got censored for one of our webcasts a couple of weeks ago and I just said,

okay, the heck with you guys. and we went on every other platform you can imagine, and we haven't missed it. You know, you're seeing news articles now. Right down to, you know, my brother sent me a news article from the newspaper in Stonewall, Manitoba. And it was an article about injuries. You know, and I'm being careful with my words,

you know, the kind of injuries that I'm talking about. And, you know, you don't have to be careful. I've been booted from YouTube. There's nothing else coming here anymore. I mean, we could talk about COVID. We can say Ivermectin. We can say all the words they don't want us to say. We can just, you know, let's like whatever.

It's the same on us now. And, you know, you're seeing major doctors coming out. Yesterday there was a senior doctor in the UK that have come out against it. There's a one in Australia that came on a couple of days ago. The tide is changing. You see some of the rats leaving the ship, like our, our medical leader here in Manitoba, and there's been a couple of others across the province.

Oh, by the way, rat is rhetoric, and that's my opinion, by the way. But, you know, you're starting to see movement now. And the mainstream media is doing everything they can to cover it up. And the way it's getting out is through folks like yourselves, and there's thousands of podcasters and newscasters. And, you know, you talk about, you know, you're a hot. guy and you weren't in politics. Well, neither was I. And, you know, since I kind of did this report

and threw it out there, I think I've done, I don't know, 50, 60, 70 podcasts. You know, I've been on international shows like Stu Peters and right across Canada. I've been just about every group that you can think of. And what the heck am I doing on this, you know? But it's ordinary folks like us who have got to stand up and you've got to say something. You know, people know, people know intrinsically how much fear there is right now in our country to our government, fear of retribution, fear of arrest. I'll just give you a tiny little example.

My wife is a performing artist, and we did a song a couple months ago, six months ago, something called Secrets. No big deal. And we eventually did a music video on it, and it was fairly generic, and it was about generic government corruption and stuff, you know. And so we always post those videos to the internet, you know, four, five, six hours before they go live. And then we sent it to all the contributing musicians, you know, whoever they were. And that was like a nine o'clock at night, it goes live at midnight.

and I get a whole bunch of emails from a whole bunch of the players. They want their names taken out of the credits. You want your name taken out of the credits for a very generic video about government corruption. Didn't name anybody. It was not even nationalized. It could apply to anything. Wait a minute. Let's just, just so your audience knows.

Can you imagine a musician wanting to take their name a credit off of something? You know, they're so hungry for. credit. So I had to delete all of those uploads that went out, edit the video, take their names off of it because they were afraid. They were afraid of retribution. And you might ask what retribution can. Well, the government has, you know, we're seemingly aware that the government has infiltrated terribly infiltrated things like schools and the medical profession and a bunch of other professions, but people aren't aware of that there's very little music made in Canada or video made in Canada that's not somehow funded by the government. You know, these musicians are constantly

going for grants and all kinds of things from the government. And if they make somebody mad at the government, guess what? They don't get any grants. So these people are carrying around this fear that they can't stand up. I got to say on this video, you know, there was one person and he's a musical genius, by the way. Just a Canadian genius. Anyway, I phoned him up and I said, you know, this is what's happened and you haven't said anything. And he said, they're all crazy.

And that was it. But you know, look at the professions. You know, the professions in Canada were supposed to be self-regulating and self-financed. And what people don't know is about, 25 years ago, the government, the provincial government started to pump money into these professional organizations, you know, like the doctors and the dentists and the nurses and the engineers. And so when the government now tells them, you've got to do this or you've got to do that, they jump. So when a doctor stands up and says, whatever he said for the last 50 years, you know,

that, you know, his relationship is with his patient, that, you know, that his diagnosis is based, or her diagnosis is based on observing the patient and knowing what's best for the patient. Now the College of Surgeons tells them what you will say and what you will do. And they have to do that. And where is that coming from? It's coming from the government and medicine and schools and stuff are provincially, right? Provincially regulated. But they're pumping money into these organizations.

So they can't say no. And so that's how these people are getting blown over. and it's in all the professions. It's not just the obvious ones. It's in music. It's in schools. It's in churches. I mean, the government paid churches so much money per head during COVID lockdowns

to promote the vaccines and to promote the lockdowns. You know, we have friends who are in a small rural church. And they stayed open. And the government said, you know, we're going to take away your tax exemption. If you don't do, you don't be good little children and do it. want to do? Well, the board got together and the members got together, I think all 35 of them. And they said, go ahead.

We don't care. Take away our tax exemption. Because we're a small community. We're take care of ourselves. And so, you know, I don't... It's stories like that, Ken, that need to be given a platform.

Yeah. I didn't realize about the churches. I knew about a whole... You were talking about how does this happen? Well, the government kind of just slowly, I think everybody kind of gets it, right? It's like if I say something, and I'll use me, for example,

okay, when I stuck to, stayed the course of what I've been doing, my lovely wife said to me, are you going to keep doing it if one of your major sponsors walks away? And I'm like, what,

yeah, like, I don't know, if they're going to walk away from me just talking about things and opening questions up. I'm like, but I get what you're saying,

you know, now that I do it full time, it's like, You got to, yeah, I get it. Money is convincing. So when you talk about academia getting grants, where does a grant come from? Where does musicians and athletes, you know, I'm thinking Olympians, you know, where does a lot of their money come through? These big organizations and it's a nice little web.

It's interesting. But you bring up the church in the small community, it's like we should be talking to them, Ken. We should be finding out who the key couple of players were. an opportunity to explain how they how they their thought process why they did that how they went about it so other people can hear it and go oh because we're i mean we're we're we're canada we got so many small little communities it's not even funny like that's that's the backbone of this country especially the west where there's all these little boards that just needed an example to go from and uh they you know we were all putting the islands and silos and told that there was no no this is everybody's

doing it but you hear of that and I go wow that's that's pretty cool because most people would have been like okay yeah no carry on yeah yeah and and we really saw that I mean we you know uh ourselves we used to attend a small little rural church and when this stuff rolled out and I'm not suggesting they got any of the money I have no idea but you know the insanity that went along with it I remember I was out of town my wife went to church that Sunday, and one of the elders came up and said, oh, you can't be here. And my wife said, why? Well, you didn't phone ahead.

And although we're not at our 35-person maximum, somebody comes, you're going to have to leave. And in that moment, my wife said to me in her head, and she said to me more loudly than that when I got home, we're done. We're not going back there again. This isn't teaching the gospel. This is teaching the gospel, this is teaching the gospel according. to Dr. Rousson or or or or the Trudeau or whoever the heck you want to name you want to put in there and we moved on to

somewhere else you know and those are hard decisions and you know on our own little thing there are the true facts c19.com we take no money from anyone nothing zero zip I get emails constantly from from subscribers I got I got a fellow who called me a week or so ago, a really nice man, and wanted to have lunch with me. So we met him for lunch, and we had lunch, and he pulls out his checkbook, and he says to me, it's just a wonderful guy, by the way, he pulls out his checkbook, and I said, what are you doing? And he says, well, I'm going to give you money towards true facts, because I know this is costing you a lot. So I said, no, no, no, no, we don't take any money. And why don't we take any money? Because the moment you take a penny,

you're subject to attack. And an example of that is, when we, in Winnipeg did the gathering at the RCMP of September 3rd. There were about a thousand people showed up and that whole intent of this thing was it was, it was very professionally done. We invited the RCMP to come speak to the crowd. It was very organized. There were a number of speakers to police officers spoke. I spoke. There were prayers. Very organized, very good. We wrote registered letters to the RCMP two weeks ahead of time telling them what we're going to do and that we would hold a spot for their speaker and we would guarantee their safety because we had all kinds of

police in the in the in the crowd you know retired rcm retired city police and we we we did all of that we got a thousand people to show up on labor day long weekend in winnipeg which is pretty incredible and you know the police locked the doors they wouldn't come out they were filming. There were police in the windows. There were police in manhole covers. There were police disguised as telephone poles videotating us. And of course, we all know who they were. And we, at the end, there were about three or 400 people that showed up with copies of the report. And they had gone a single file at the front doors of the RCMP station. And each one laid down the copy of the report at the locked RCMP headquarters doors. There were people there,

praying. There were Christians praying. There are Muslims on their hands and knees praying over the books for something to happen. And my point on this is with regard to money, one of the things we asked people to do was bring a copy of the report and wear a white t-shirt that you can put on with hockey tape truth. You can write it on with a thought marker. You can order it. And people being people, time slipped by and people wanted me to order shirts. So I ordered a whole bunch of shirts online and they cost me like 1398 a piece including shipping and uh i sold them to the crowd for 15 dollars a piece and okay so that's a dollar and two cents uh that came out of it and but what i did was when someone came up every once in a while i would give them the t-shirt for free and i would

tell them you know somebody's you know they're giving me a dollar too much i just didn't want to deal with the change they gave me a dollar and two cents more than i paid from but here's a free one here's a free one and i'm sure i gave away a hell of a hell of a lot more free ones than I needed to, but I did. And you know, I got hate posts and hate emails that I was profiteering for selling T-shirts for $15 that cost me of whatever it was, 1390. I published the invoice from the company. And I had people come out and say, no, no, he was giving him away. So, you know, a small thing like that gives them an opening to it. attack. And, you know, we paid a, you know, we, we did impose some significant costs on ourselves.

You know, we run the website. We've got a commercial website. We, we get phone calls from people or emails from people all over country, you know, sometimes they're a little bit older and they don't know how to print it or they're in a small town and they can't print it. So, you know, I print an 89-page full-collar document with a surlox binding on it, two or three copies, and I mail it to them. And they don't have to pay anything. And there's no subscription. There's no, you can go on site and you can access it anonymously. You can download the report anonymously. So we've chosen to do that because as soon as you start having money involved,

then you're subject to an attack. And just like with my T-shirts. I feel like Ken, you're always, this is just me because I don't know if I'm getting thick or thicker skin or whatever, but part in the French. Fuck them. To me, when I hear that, I'm just like, man, they're looking at any reason to come after you. For a vast majority of us, we're all looking at what you've done and what you're doing. And you don't feel like no snake oil salesman to me. That's just me. And I feel like a lot of the audience that's listening to this is like, they get it. But there's no way you can navigate this thing perfectly. I do admire you not taking sense. I think that's a, I think that's a, I think that's a,

great value to have, like, that you're not trying to, uh, all of a sudden make a million dollar company out of people's pain and, and a tough situation and everything like that. But at the same time, I'm like, I'm also like, cover your costs, right? Because if you go broke doing this, um, then we lose Ken. And I'm, I'm, I'm more saying that not to Ken, but certainly to Ken, but to anyone listening as well. It's like, yeah, profiteering is one thing. But, keeping afloat so you can keep doing what you're doing, we need more kens, not less of them. And the attacks, no matter what you do if you're on this side, are coming.

And they're going to keep coming. And they ain't going away. And so no matter how small or big of an opening you give them, they're going to, I mean, they're going to come after you. No matter what you do. You know, that's very true. But we've also, I also understand, because of thousands of emails I've got from people right across the country,

that a lot of folks can't afford something like this. Yeah. And, you know, I have to say, I don't know what the number is. I mean, I can look on my website and I can tell you, as a matter of fact, we did a post the other day about where in the world have people downloaded our report? And there's a map that we did on the news feed. And it's every continent on Earth except Antarctica.

But every continent on Earth has downloaded our report. report and there's blue dots and there's different colors of blue. It shows you the thousands and thousands of people in different areas. Right into the Middle East, Japan, India, Africa, Iceland, everywhere in the world has downloaded our report. And so I get emails and people telling me their stories and people asking for help. And I would say that the vast majority of at least the people contacting me are older people. And when I say older and I'm, you know, in my 60s, people who are probably 50 plus,

is that because, and I don't know why that is, is that because young folks who are still working are scared to losing their jobs? You know, they're scared of having the bank cancel their mortgage or their credit cards or having the government come after them. I don't know. You know, it's not uncommon. for me to get an email from someone that says,

I've never emailed before, how do I download your report? And I said, well, right on the cover page, there's a big yellow button that says, push the button to download, and they don't get it. So I send it to them, you know. But there's a lot of those kinds of folks

who are not political. They've been living their lives. They've had good lives in Canada. We all have. You know, they're supposed to be retired. They're supposed to be enjoying the grandchildren. And they're becoming activists, or maybe that's not the right word.

They're becoming people who are standing up for the God-given. They're becoming activated. Yeah, that's very good. Yeah, they're waking up. And they've never done this before, and they're not computer literate particularly, but gall-darn it, you know, I've got people who have copied the report hundreds of times

and taken it to every police station, church, school, hospital. Let's talk about the report. You know, it's funny. that's why I brought you on, you know, and then, and then like a good, a good podcast, in my opinion, it just went where it wanted to and something very top of mind, right, that obviously both of us are thinking about, but let's talk about the report. You brought it up a couple of times. Maybe people haven't heard about it, Ken.

So let's just give the background of it and, and my, wherever you want to go with it. Okay. Well, oh, gosh, goodness, this whole thing, and people should know how we got involved. not a particularly political person. I was involved politically just for business purposes and for many, many years, you know, where I would shake hands with this person or go to that fundraiser or something, mostly for political purpose or for business purpose. But, you know, when the lockdowns in Manitoba got absolutely draconian and ridiculous,

it was about October of last year, there was a small group of us, actually it was two couples who got together our house and we had dinner and we had drinks and we said, listen, we're all isolated. You know, we can't go to church. We can't see each other. We're members of social clubs that all of a sudden we couldn't go to. And at that time, that's when the government came out and said, well, you know, if you're carrying around your COVID passport, papers please,

then you can come into these places, but we weren't. And so we talked about, toyed around with and said, you know, we should start our own little social club. And two or three weeks later, there were 35 people in my house. We had a fully catered dinner. We had just people of like mind who had felt that they or government had attacked them who were outside of their communities. They couldn't go to church.

They couldn't go to work. So we had them in our home. And then we had another just before Christmas. And now the group had grown to about 40 people and a couple of. people once again got together and I wasn't a part of it at first where they started saying this is great we now got a little community here going and we're feeling inspired but we need to do something so my wife and two or three these people got together and they were talking about it and my wife said we should get can involved you know how people say they get inspired by that little that small still

voice well my small still voice is a five foot five foot four burnet and she came and she drove and she me in there and the folks were as you would expect they were talking about you know we should get together and we should write a report some kind of report that quotes you know the experts dr alexander dr malone those kinds of people and i listened and i was kind of sitting in the background and having had 30 or 40 or 40 some odd years of forensic engineering experience i said you know if you write a report that quotes experts you've lost because nowadays you can bring in an expert to say anything. Anything. You just pay them. You know, you had a judge, Supreme Court judge in the United States who was nominated, and in the Senate somebody asked her, I don't remember who it was,

what is a woman? And this woman who was nominated for the Supreme Court couldn't say what a woman was. So, prime example. And so I thought about it. And I said, really what you need to do is you have to use information that the government cannot dispute. because they've said it themselves. So what I, so then it occurred to me is let's go out, let's go to Statistics Canada, let's go to Health Canada, let's take a look at reports that the government of Canada did themselves, let's take a look at any planning they did for pandemics, let's take a look at their news releases, let's take a look at what they were telling patients about the vaccines.

And let's just examine that and see what it says. And I had no idea what it would say. And I said, you know, guys, say, since I'm the only one here has ever done any kind of reports like this, I'll take it on. And then at that point, someone said to me, well, you think you'll have it done by the end of the week? And I laughed because it took me, you know, six weeks and like, I think it was 160 or 180 hours worth of work to get this report done. And so what I did was it came out as this report, which again, you can download off our website. You can see on the, on my nomacur there.

that. True Faxc19.com. And I'll put it in the show notes. I'll make sure to put the website in the show notes. And so again, the approach to this report was I would go and take a look at how many people, for instance. The government was telling us if you were 70 years old or older and you got COVID, it was a death sentence. So I thought to myself, so what were the mortality rates for Canadians 70 years of age and older in 2019? And according to statistics, Canada, your chance of dying from any cause, if you were 70 years of age and older, in 2019, were 1 in 32.

I mean, that's pretty scary. You know, I'm in my mid-60s. One of 32 is pretty scary. So then I looked at 2020, and how many people did the government say in that age range died of the COVID? And I'll talk about that just in a bit. But just taking their own numbers. And it turned out that your chance of dying of COVID, if you were 70 years of age and older, as reported by the government of Canada in 2020, was one in 324. So you had 10 times more chance, more risk of just dying than you did of dying of COVID.

Now, a number of your listeners are going to be kind of banging their fist right now because we all know that the government of Canada reported, with COVID as a death by COVID. In other words, if you came in in a car accident and you went into the ICU, you were believing in your account, they counted it. And by the way, that was under WHO protocol. It's never been done before in Canada, but we adopted an outside agency's protocol for identifying and reporting deaths by COVID. So that's not, I didn't, I didn't allow for that.

And that also doesn't allow for the fact that the PCR, test was inaccurate, arguably, somewhere between 40 and 90% of the time. It was like a lottery wheel. So I didn't include any of those considerations. And yet, using their data, the way they reported their own data, 70 years of age and older, which was the most risk, the population most at risk, they had a 10 times greater chance of just dying than you did have dying of COVID. And so then I thought, that was the first little statistic I looked at. Then I started looking at other age groups. And I looked at, for instance, people under the age of 19.

And your chance of dying of COVID was like 1 in 4 million. Your chance of dying for any reason was like 1 in 1,400. That's people 19 years of age. younger. You know, interestingly enough, your chance of having a severe reaction from the vaccine, as reported by Health Canada, in that age group, 19 years of age and younger. And that's as in 2000, sorry, it was in May this year, so it's gotten worse. But your chance of getting a severe reaction were 15,996 times higher than your chance of dying of COVID. And so I looked at different age groups.

And then I looked at, I got the monograph from Pfizer, not necessarily to pick on Pfizer, but I got the monograph from Pfizer, which told you, you know, the monograph, some people don't know what that is, is when you go to the drugstore and you just spent $100 on two aspirins and you open up the little box

and there's this piece of paper that's folded up a million different times, You pull that out and it tells you all the risks and stuff. Well, I looked at that. And the risks for children, now, again, considering what the, you know, that your risk profile was one and four million of catching COVID and dying from it. And again, that doesn't account for was that one in four million kids dying of leukemia already? Did they die in a car accident? But they had, don't know.

Don't know what the answer to that is, but just using their stats. but then I looked at the monographs that the government of Canada had approved. You know, they had that information when they approved the shots. And holy smokes, they didn't do it. Pfizer didn't do any testing on kids 19 years of age and younger. There was a couple kids between 16 and 19 that happened to be in their test, but nobody under them. You know, they identified all the way back then.

they identified acute allergic reactions. They identified myocondriitis and periocondriac cardiitis. And you know what? Those are two words I never heard of before. There was no studies on fertility. No studies on how it affected the immune system. No carcinogenic studies. Carcinogenic means does it cause cancer?

Didn't do any studies. And so I was shocked at that. And then I looked at other statistics, again, talking about kids, you know, 19 years of age and younger. And your chance of dying from suicide, 19 years of age and younger, was 39 times higher than your chance of dying of COVID. Can you imagine if we would have spent the billions of dollars on suicide prevention for that age group when we had 39 times a number of people dying from suicide?

We had 13 times a number dying a homicide, 127 times dying of accident, of accident. accidents. And you know what? Influenza killed 16 times many kids in 2020 than it did of COVID. Cancer 112 times. 112 times. That's, by the way, that's not 112% more. That's 11,200% more. That's 11,200% more. So it's 112 times the rate of death from COVID. Now, so then I went further because, you know, I knew somebody during this time, the couple, the wife was pregnant. And every time she went to see the doctor, the doctor was screaming out of her. You got to take this, got to take this, got to take this. And she was going to, but the husband didn't want to.

You've got to have, you got to know, this caused a lot of problems for this, this young couple. So I looked at pregnant women. And you know, I identified, well, how many people, how many women are there in Canada between the ages of 18 to 39? And we figured out how many of those were. many of those were. It was like little over 5 million, 5.1 million of them. And then we looked at what did the government say how many of them just died? And it was 2880, 2,890 died in 2019, just for whatever cause. So that means if you were in childbearing age as a woman between 19 and 39 years

of age, your chance of just dying for any cause was 1 in 17163. Now the government reported 20 deaths from COVID in that group. Again, not disputing. Was it with COVID? Was it bad test? Who knows? But that means that your chance of dying of COVID if you were in the childbearing ages was one in a quarter of a million of dying from COVID.

Your chance of just dying was one in 1700. You know, your chance of dying just from being pregnant was one in 15,000? Let's just stop there for. remember your chance of dying from just being pregnant was one in 15,000 your chance of getting COVID and dying it was one in a quarter of a million now again your chance of dying from influenza was one in one in a hundred thousand your chance of dying of an accident was one in in 7800 chance of dying of suicide was one in 15,000 remember dying of COVID one in a quarter of a million dying of suicide 1 in 15,000.

So then I thought to myself, you know what? If I was in a burning building up on the third floor, and if I stayed in that building, I had 100% chance of dying. If I jumped out the window, I had a 50-50 chance of dying from the fall.

What do you think I'm going to do? Now, my wife argues with me, no, Ken, you wouldn't jump out of the way. Damn right, I would! Because I'd have a 50% chance of living. So I thought to myself, okay, so now we know the risks of you, if you were in childbearing,

ages, what your chance of dying from COVID was, one and a quarter of a million. So just like the idea of jumping out the window in the fire, so I wanted to look at what were the risks of taking the vaccine for women who are pregnant or breastfeeding or those kinds of things. And so once again, I went to Pfizer and I looked at their monographs. And just like me in the burning building, okay, let's see. if I jump out the window, I got a chance I'll live and I have a chance of, you know, getting squished when I hit the pavement.

So what were the risks of taking the vaccine to these women? Well, number one, according to Pfizer's own information, and by the way, it's in the report, that there's copies of the information like screen captures. They did no testing, zero testing on pregnant women, none. They did no fertility testing. They didn't do any testing as to whether or not the vaccine crossed the placenta. In other words, did it get into the baby? They did no testing for fertility.

They did no testing on did it get into the milk. They did no testing on cancer-causing agents. They did no long-term risk assessment at all. And, you know, I'm old enough to remember thalidomide, and maybe a lot of your listeners are younger and they don't remember thalidomides. But that was a drug that the medical and the pharmaceuticals introduced in late 50s and 60s, and they marketed it to pregnant women, and it caused an incredible amount of mutations, and they crippled, I don't know how many babies.

And this thing, MRNA vaccines that had never been used before in humans, didn't do any proper testing, no testing on pregnant women, And your chances, so you have all that risk, no testing, no testing, no information. And this is Pfizer's own words. This isn't my words. You can read it in the report, Pfizer's own words. They had no idea if there was any reproductive toxicity because of this stuff. Now think about all of that.

Think about that your chances of contracting COVID and dying of it, if you were in those years for women who could get pregnant, one in a quarter of a million, your chances of just dying for any cause about one in 1700, one in 1800, something like that. So are you going to put your children at risk, your babies at risk to this unknown for a statistically insignificant risk of catching and dying of COVID?

So then we looked at what was the printed information that the government was telling women when they came into their doctor's offices. And again, the report, there's copies of it here, the actual copy from the government of Manitoba. And the first thing they say is how safe vaccines are. Because we've been using them for 50 years. So if you're sitting in the doctor's office and you haven't taken the time to search out information, which in those days was really, really, really hard to find. And your doctor tells you, oh, here's an information bulletin from our government. We've been using vaccines for 50 years. No, MRNA shots never met the definition of vaccine until they changed it a year or two ago. And it's never been used before. Completely

new technology, never been used before. And here they're telling you, oh, it's safe because we've been using vaccines for 50 years. I mean, if you're listening to a doctor, tell you that, have you made an informed consent? Did the doctors know? You know, as a professional engineer, I used to see crazy new products come out all the time. And I used to, I can't say that I ever got a directive from the government, but I would like to think that if I got a directive from the government, I was a structural engineer, by the way, Ken, you're going to use a six-inch beam. 17-inch beams aren't allowed anymore.

That I would just go and use a six-inch steel beam and have a collapse and kill somebody? So my question is on the medical profession, did you not question any of this? Did you not look at the monograph of the drugs that you were pushing down the throats of your unsuspecting patients? if you simply took the information that was given to by salesmen, pharmaceutical salesmen, shame on you and more.

Shame on you. And again, this isn't my opinion. This is the information that the government gave and is still giving. I mean, so we looked at all the numbers for different age groups. we looked at the risks as posted by the government and by told by the manufacturers. Then we started to look at it, it's fascinating. We started, oh, by the way, there was a little statistic that we stumbled across that people are just starting to talk about now.

But the number of live births in Canada in 2020, as compared to 2019, went down by, I think the number was about 12,000. And yet no one questioned it. I don't know about Lloyd Minster, but I can tell you about Winnipeg in the wintertime. When we get a blizzard and people are stuck in a house for a day or two, we get a nine months later, we get a small baby boom. Now, the government locked these people in their houses for months and a birth rate went down by 12,000 or so. And no one's questioning it? Not a single person?

There is some talk coming out now. But this information was available back in 2020. Now, before I lose my train of thought, because you have noticed I do that several times, is the other thing people have asked me is, Ken, well, why haven't you analyzed the 2021 data yet? You know, we're in December of 2022, and you keep talking about 2020. Well, there's a whole bunch of reasons for that. First, 2020 is pretty good data because there were no vaccines available. Therefore, there was no clouding of the data because of vaccines or potential vaccine injuries. You know, the weakest people hadn't been exposed to it yet,

so you would have expected the most mortalities in the first year that this tidal wave supposedly hit the country. Now, the last and most compelling reason why we haven't analyzed the 2021 data yet, Statistics Canada hasn't released it. Now, wait a minute. 12 months after 2021, which is probably the statistics that were the most needed in this country's history, Statistics Canada in December of 2022 hasn't released it yet. Think about that. So then the next kind of part of this report is we started to look at the messaging that the government was using.

And I just want to let folks know that if you're intimidated, if you download this 89 page report and you're intimidated by it, don't be. We created a series of 13 webcasts that are hosted by, I think, the first four, I think we're up to 10. 10 have been released on our website right now under the webcast tab. And each one's about 20 to 30 minutes long. and they go through the report, almost page by page, section by section,

and I actually explained to you. The webcast is called what that means is, and so they will tell you something the government said, and then they'll say what that means is. The first two, four shows are hosted by Rosalie Driesel, and my wife and Mr. Chris Riddell, who's a retired police officer. The next four shows after that were hosted by myself and Rosalie.

And then the last series of shows, the last four or five of them were three hosts, myself, Rosalie, and Chris Riddell. So very good, it's a conversational type webcast, very understandable. You can follow along in the report. And you can find it on YouTube. All you got to do is type it in. Type in the name. Yeah, it's all there.

We've only got two or three or four episodes on YouTube because when we published, I think it was episode five or four, YouTube gave us a strike and said, they were going to take us off. So we just abandoned YouTube and how it. It's on rumble. It's on it's on our website. You go to our website. You see them all.

It's on bitch shoot. It's on truth. It's on 100. Ken, when you, I mean, and you can keep going, the stats, the, the other thing for people is you sent me, what do you call it? It's just like a 13-page document with some of the, almost everything you're talking about, like broke down nice and easy pictures. It just shows you everything. you're like, yeah. We did infographic pages.

Thank you. Infographic. Which are, this is one. For instance, and it deals with what are your odds. And there's a series of these infographic pages all through the report. And on our website, when you go on the first page, you'll see a picture. You'll see this picture of the report right at the very big top. And right beside it, there's a series of yellow push buttons.

And you push one, you'll download the report. You can push two. You download the appendices. You can push a button and it just downloads the infographic pages. for you. There's another button you push, believe it or not, you download this little business card. And on the back, you can print it out yourself, a double-sided print. There's a, there's a QR code. You can scan that and it'll download the report into your phone. You know, funny thing about these cards is thousands, tens of thousands have been handed out. You know, the best story I

heard about these is my wife was coming back from Edmonton. She was in Saskatchewan, and you know my wife has a tendency to drive like the wind and the RCMP pulled her over and she she charmed this fellow but you know he did his job and he gave her a ticket and when he handed her the ticket Rosalie reached down in her purse and she said to him officer have you seen this and she gave him the RCNP officer he thanked her for it and took it with so people are giving these out you know they print them

they got a pocket full of them and they're somewhere and they just hand them out. Um, can you, maybe you, maybe you, maybe you, maybe you talked about this, uh, at some point, but it, it's, it, uh, it's still stuck in my mind. And I can't remember if you talked about it or not. Um, what was your background into preparing reports? Like, uh, you know, the critic is going to be like, oh, who's this king guy? And why can he do a report and blah, da, da, da, you know, it's, it's interesting because, uh, out here in Alberta, I know two different guys. And I think the listener does too, Marty up north. And Yakstack, those are two guys who followed the Alberta data, still do, like just crazily close. And they could just talk about it at will. Your background, though, I think would be interesting for people to understand why it lent a hand into building such a report and why, you know, it lends it credibility amongst other things. Well, you know, I spent, and I still am, but I spent over 40 years as a professional engineer, and one of my specialties, I'd say I had two specialties in my career.

One was working in the high Arctic and designing and buildings there. And the second specialty was preparing forensic engineering reports. I've, you know, I don't even know how many thousands of reports probably, at least hundreds and hundreds, of forensic engineering reports. Now, a forensic engineering report is you look at something. Something's fallen down. Somebody's gotten hurt or killed in an accident. A machine didn't perform the way it was supposed to.

Something broke. And so you go in and you investigate all the circumstances surrounding that thing. You evaluate all the regulations that there are that affected the contractual requirements. And you write a detailed forensic. report, which often my reports were often used in trial or they were used in mediation, arbitration. I had some where I would prepare the report getting ready for trial, but when the report came out, they just made an agreement.

So these would be very detailed technical reports and I would have to write them in a way that anyone could understand them, you know, because if you're in a trial, if you're in a trial situation. You know, you've got lawyers, you've got judges, you've got witnesses, and from a vast variety of backgrounds and expertise, and they would need to be able to understand it. So when you read one of my reports, or hopefully this report, you're not going to be inundated by giant $10 words. You know, you're going to have things explain to you in plain ordinary English. and you're invited to go out and research it on your own. And there's a lot of the links for where all the information came from are there for you to go look at it.

Don't believe me. Time from believing experts is over. You need to question everything. You need to look at everything. So that's kind of because we don't want to put your listeners to sleep. That's kind of. No, I don't think you're putting them to sleep. To me, it's really interesting, right?

You do forensic audits. You look at death in the workplace, essentially. Yeah, and or equipment failure or whatever. And then you go in and you look at all the facts and you try and build a report essentially, and I'm kind of putting words in your mouth and I hope I'm doing, you're nodding your head. But like, and then you put a report together that says this is kind of what happened. This is what it looks like. This is what the facts tell us, blah, blah, blah.

So when you're staring at COVID-19, one of the cool things I think, lot of listeners did and it was probably the best thing I ever did and I so when they make fun of it I laugh about it I'm like and that is go do the research yourself right because the one the thing is is like it's on all the websites right you not just Canada United States Sweden blah blah blah blah I can rattle them off and then all the states had it so you could do you know my wife's from Minneapolis or Minnesota so I did Minnesota I did North Dakota or South Dakota sorry because they

they were left things wide open. And then you start to see, oh, like it's like literally right there. This is basic math. You can just start doing it. And once you see that, I mean, reading or listening to Ken or reading his report is one thing. You start to do the things yourself. And it is the most eye-opening experience you will ever get. In saying that, I'm glad you did what you did because for some people, that's maybe the first step.

or maybe that's all they needed and they're just like, oh, boom, okay, this makes complete sense. Why is it, you know, I think Matthias Desmond talks about, you know, the psychosis and all those different things, but why is it that, you know, you talk

about the simple stats, I think it was one in $250,000 or, you know, and overall mortality was like one in $15,000. It doesn't matter. You get the point. It's a ridiculously giant discrepancy in numbers, right? Percentives. Why is it that that doesn't translate to more of the population? Or do they just not care? Or are you starting to see more people picking up your report and going,

oh, like, I don't know. Well, there's a whole bunch of things there. And proof of what I'm going to say is what's happened in the last three or four or five weeks. And what I'm talking about is the Twitter files. Now, whatever you think about the Twitter files, they're pretty significant. And you know, not a single mainstream network in the United States has said anything about it. They've spent zero time on it. I mean, some have like Fox News, but the buggies, ABC, NBC, zero. No coverage. and so when you start to think about

why aren't more people getting on about this I mean you know what half a million people have read our report but when you think there's 38 million people in Canada and maybe half of them are reading it can read and that's another topic but so the numbers get pretty small

so when you when you watch and I don't but if you watch CBC or you watch Global or you watch any of those networks in Canada. It's completely the opposite and or they know that people only read, most people only read the headline and the summary paragraph, the first paragraph, and they don't read the rest of it. Government knows this, media knows this.

So you'll see an article on whatever, whenever those mainstream media outlets are, and the headline says this, but if you actually sat down and ran. the rest of the article, they're being almost honest because the real words are in there and the real truth is in there, but people don't read it. And as an example of that, there is a study done by CDC last year. And the headline of the study, and this is in the report, and I believe it's on, it is in the webcast, but the headline of the report was, you know, good fitting masks are absolutely effective and essential, something like that, I'm going by my memory.

But this, and then there was a summary that they had done this great study and it proved that masks were effective and da-da-da-da-da-da. Okay, so that's the headline on the CDC report and the summary. But if you read the report, it told you that the study they did was only in operating rooms with doctors, trained doctors and nurses, and they properly fitted the masks, and they only evaluated in this professional situation, and there really wasn't much effort to say that, evidence to say it did anything except maybe stopping some spittle coming from the doctor's mouth or blood splashing into the doctor.

That was what it actually said. And then it went further to say in the body of the report, well, you know, this can't be translated into the general public. And, you know, you really shouldn't think this doesn't have any bearing on someone who's wearing it for like eight hours, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you actually read the report. This is what it said. But you read the headline in the summary. It said the complete opposite.

And so when the CDC's doing that, when Health Canada is doing that, when the mainstream media who are all being paid for by our government, so they're at, and we talked about, you know, taking money before, I mean, which mainstream media outlet was like a couple of weeks ago or a month ago begging for more billions of dollars from the government? And I hesitate to name one if I get it wrong, but there was someone out again with their hands out. I think it was global, wasn't it? I wanted to say that, but I don't want to be stupid by global. I think it was global.

I can't remember. But I mean, I just, you know, I like how you stick to the facts. I mean, it's just, media is an interesting place. Oh, yeah. I mean. It's only been in the last, geez, folks, what was talking about? Tom Korski from Blacklock's reporter, right? He gets removed from the press gallery.

And that's the only media source in the press gallery that isn't taking any money from the government, right? And I mean, you go win one plus one, it probably equals two at this point, right? Like it's just, it's everywhere. And I don't know. The Twitter files thing, Ken, is eye-opening, right? And if you're not following along with that, it just shows how much the relationship between Twitter, FBI, and how they suppressed a ton of stuff that goes to Donald Trump, that goes to elections, that goes to COVID-19. I'm probably leaving out a whole bunch. But you can go read it right now.

Like, pause this and go read. I think there's seven of them now, maybe eight. Yeah, something like that. The last one came out, like I think Friday this past Friday, and there's more to come, by the way. Well, there's more to come. And you're just like, and every time it comes out, you're like, oh, man, takes you, it's funny, though.

I'm, you know, you make, you poke at people not reading it. Twitter files probably takes you 15 minutes of reading. And the last one, I got to like 23 because, of course, it's in a thread. And I got to 23, and I'm just like, how long is this thing? And it was like, it was like 42 or something. I'm like, okay, Sean, just. And I don't know what, you know, so I have the same problem. A lot of people have, right?

Like, I'm trying to get through it. And sometimes my brain is just like, you know, get to the point. Well, there's so much coming at you from so many directions. And, you know, there's, there's no challenge coming from our media towards our government. And there's a, there's a really, the rise of independent media is. challenging. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just, it's just independent is, is difficult because, um, you know, like how much, how much money are you going to spend to try and get your, your, your, your visibility up? Because, you know, uh, through COVID, I mean, I was talking

about YouTube and I, I tell the story lots, but I was just, it was at the time of the, the Ottawa convoy goes, I'd had Chris Barber on a week before they left. He was one of of the main guys he's vaccinated like we didn't talk about anything one of the questions i had was like where's the money going and he had this lovely answer to it he's pulled over on the side of the highway and i mean youtube nuked my account like gone never coming back scorched earth like like just gone and for a guy like me you know that's kind of devastating right because you're you're trying to build a brand for yourself you talk about uh 250 000 copies of the report across Canada and the size of Canada and everything else.

It's things like that. You're like, why doesn't it, why, like, because I, I've read the report and I've read the, I think the infographic is like, for a lot of people, it'd be beautiful because it's like, I don't know, 10 pages long and it really nails down a lot of what the report's about. But like, they're showing it on Twitter, like the shadow banning and all that. stuff. Well, there's a reason why, you know, it's such an uphill battle when you're on the independent side. Big tech is just as much in collusion with anything else. And that's how we all spread what we're talking about and trying to fight back against it, right? Like it's, it's,

it's depressing some days, Ken. And you can't, you know, with Christmas here, you know, it's, it's, you know, you got to find ways to look at it optimistically because there's, I'll tell you one thing and I'm sure you you would say the same is the amount of interesting folks I've met on this side is I can't I can't name them all like it's it's been that has been super super cool and really inspiring actually because there's a lot of cool stories out there oh yeah I mean you know I'm sure your story is similar to ours you know we were doing our life and we had our collection of friends that you'd accumulated you know over 40 50 years And when this whole thing happened and we woke up, I think we lost 99% of those friends.

And we have a completely, apart from one or two, we have a completely new community that we're in. And it's much larger. And I can tell you that in that entire community, which blossomed out of the, what we call the no-name dinner club, that's what we called our little group, there is not a single. person out of those 40 or 45 people, not a single one, that I wouldn't jump at the chance of going out and spending an evening with them and just talking. Because none of them sit there and talk about the new condo or the new Audi they just bought or the new this or the new that. They talk about real things. They talk about their family. They talk about this country. They talk about things. They talk about things that are going wrong in this country.

They don't have, there aren't the preconceived silo type of categorizations that, you know, we used to have in our group. And so for us, personally, the evolution or revolution to this new community we're in is both eye-opening and very satisfying. You know, again, we've got more community now that we've ever had. You know, we're a lot more people who have reached out to us from across the country.

You know, you feel like you're part of something and it's not just the nihilistic existence. So there has been an upside for us too. And I'm sure that's what you're referring to and what you've experienced. It's funny. I would say the podcast had a huge, I don't know. I actually, you know, there's been lots of people who listened from the start. But in the start, I was, you know, hockey players and sports stories.

And, you know, so I flipped a huge chunk of my audience. There's just no doubt about that. A lot of people were frustrated that I wouldn't stop talking about it and haven't stopped talking about it, obviously. But I'm like, you know, at one point I was just like, you know, I'm going to talk about it until things changed. Because, I mean, like, we can't act like this isn't going on when it so clearly is. but personally it's funny Ken I've been able to I don't know maybe I'm maybe I'm I don't know I've personally I've been able to keep my friends my friends and certainly add in a few more but it hasn't been quite a jettison of what I had there before and I don't know if that's

my wife I don't know if that's my family and friends I actually don't I actually don't know but we had a you know I bring this up off we had a book club we started in 2018 there was five men so it's me two brothers and then and then two friends and that really became through all of this podcast formed out of it's the reason I started it before COVID had hit it was 2019 when I started it'll be four years here in February and that little group you debated this right from the start and we were not all on the same page we never are and I don't think that's a well I think that's a good thing I think it's good to have differing opinions yelling at each other and believe me there was some tense times in there

but it was an it was an outlet that I don't think a lot of people had you know you talk about how long you had until the no name dinner group formed the first meeting I ever went to I think was Christmas uh December 2020 was the first time for kids' sake, which was a group that got formed in this area. It didn't have that name at the time, but that's, that was what, it was, it was like 50 or 60 people met in a barn, you know, funny, like, it sounds weird to come out of my mouth now because, I mean, but that's how strange it was back then, right? Everybody met in a barn and, you know, he just kind of like threw things at a dartboard and tried. And so I think, uh, one of the things I had over a lot of people, uh, early on was, uh, an,

inner group of guys that I could argue with, and I did argue with, over and over and over, we never stopped arguing. We still argue to this day. But it allows me the space to get out of my head what I'm thinking. And I think as a population, more people need that, the ability to, you know, have a safe space to, whether it's a dumb thought or not, just have the opportunity to say it. And then go, hmm, that's an interesting thought. Or what's wrong or right about it. Because when you get trapped in your head, you can feel pretty alone. And through COVID, a lot of us fell.

It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or unvaccinated. Either side of that coin, a ton of people felt just absolutely isolated and didn't think they could talk about anything. And now in the political realm, you know, if you're left or right, it's almost the same silos again. You know, nobody wants, I don't know if I can talk about things again. Well, you've got to find ways, too, because it's very, very, you know, very. very, very healthy for an individual to get off their chest, what's on their mind and what's weighing them down. Well, you know, it's an interesting thing when you were talking about it. It kind of reminded me as something that occurred to me. The government has been harping on us since I was a small child in school when they came up with this great idea.

And they keep telling us that diversity is our strength. You've got to embrace this. You've got to embrace that. Dada-da-da-da. Diversity is our strength. But it's not diversity of color, height, sex, whether you've got false teeth or real teeth or whether we're glasses or don't wear glasses. It's diversity of thought and opinion. That is strength. A healthy society that can support a diversity of thought and opinion. It's not what the government tells you. Every moment the government, every chance they got, they're trying to.

pull the foundations out from you. They're trying to tell you you're a conspiracy theorist. They're trying to tell you we're a racist. And the basis of all of these things that they're telling you is because of a racist idea. You know, it was interesting to me. And I'm going to get myself into trouble on this, but all darn it, it's the truth. And all the research I did about COVID and whether you believe that COVID existed or not, but just using the government's data again. the main things that affected your supposed risk of getting COVID had to do with what they call comorbidities. In other words, you're obese, you've got cancer, you've got some kind of lung damage or heart damage or something. If you had, I can't remember the figure.

It's in the report. I think it's like 43% of everyone who reportedly died of COVID had three or more serious comorbidities. Okay, so we know that. So what did the Canadian government do? The Canadian government said at a certain point, oh, if you're native, you can get the shot down. Wait a minute. If we're a non-racist society, where does being native

or European or Asian or anything else come into play? It should have been, if you're obese, if you have a heart problem, if you have a lung problem, if you have a this, that, or the other thing, then you're eligible. But they had to put race in it. It has nothing to do with.

Now, a lot of people are going to get me mad at me about this, but if you don't see race like I don't, I don't care if you're from Scotland or if you're from BC or if you're from Africa or wherever you're from. I don't care. I don't see that. I honestly don't. So why is it every time the government,

turns around there jamming that down our throats you can get the vaccine if you're native you can get this if you're whatever you can get this grant i remember being i'm going off i'm going a little off here but i remember being i was taking a master's uh course degree uh in the late 1990s i was working for a big national engineering company at the time and it was advantageous to me to do this so i'm going to night classes right and they had a government federal government person come in and the class by the way was probably 50 50 women and men and i don't know whatever else but they had a person come in from the government of Canada that gave a whole talk for the whole hour one time about how all this money is available

to you to start a business and we're going to support you we're going to get oh but you have to be a woman did i not pay taxes as a man all my life and for my family Why is it that I'm being put at a disadvantage now and going forward for supposedly crimes of the past, which and all of the data and stuff they talk about with regard to, and I'm getting controversial here, is, in my opinion, crap, it's not that there hasn't been people of either sex that have been discriminated against or hurt or found themselves in a bad position at some time or other. We all have, I don't care if you're Scottish, Polish, Italian, Nigerian, it doesn't matter. We've all, you cannot look, I challenge you to look at a single group of people in this society

on this planet who haven't been subject to something. Slavery, my own people came from Scotland because of what was called the clearances, and most people don't even know what that is, but the overlords were throwing people up the land. They were starving to death. That's why there were so many Scottish people came to Canada, particularly in Manitola. I digress again. But my point is that every time the government can, they throw race or something in it, at the same time saying diversity is our strength.

But then they're telling you what a terrible person you are because you see race and all these other things. And we don't. The average Canadian doesn't. But the government's even using that to pull your supports out from you. You can't be certain. It's like I told somebody the other day, you know, if I come up to you and I just give you a push on your chest, chances are you're going to laugh at me or say, what the heck are you doing?

But if I make you stand on one leg or on your hand and I give you a push, guess what? You're falling down. And that's what the governments are doing to us. Oh, you terrible racist. You don't want to have this or that in your schools. Well, you're a racist. You're going to anti this or isom that or something like that.

You know what? I don't care what you do in your own house. I don't care what you do in your own bedroom. Just don't make me do it. Don't make it. You know, I hate to quote this guy because I have such disdain for him and his family, but Pierre Trudeau said, the government has no place in your bedroom. And that's still true today.

That's a euphemism. He was talking specifically, but it's a euphemism for everything. I don't care what religion you are. I don't care what color you are. I don't care if you're a good person. I care if you're working hard for Canada and your family. I care that you're part of our community. I don't care what language you speak.

but the garment's using that against folks and they're falling for it over and over again. Sorry, went off on a tangent. No, it's quite all right. I was having a conversation with a comedian who was in town. This is the start of December and he was talking about quotas for comedy shows. You know, they can only have so many white comedians. And I was saying to him, man, that's a really, He's like, ah, no, you know, it's just, you know, it's just the business.

And I was like, oh, that's pretty messed up. I'm like, I understand what they're trying to do. But if I'm in the audience, I want the five funniest people at the show. I don't care. I do not care. And if that's five women, so be it. But, you know, like in our country, we, well, actually, what I was, and then what I said to him, I said, it's funny when on this podcast,

in the first 150 episodes I did, I would say it was majority men, white, whatever. And I was talking about sports, but in general, hockey. And you know what, a couple times I was asked if I ever had women on and there was a couple underlying things there and I was, you know, I was like, well, I'm not trying to be, you know, whatever. It was like, I want the best from like a 99 point whatever percent sport that is white that is, you know,

you know older men now that have the great stories because they can talk about times that you know truly hockey was legendary amongst other things and what I was saying to him was and now that I've I've switched to current events and I look for like good stories and people with heads on their shoulders I've never been more diverse in my life you look for the best you're gonna find people that come from all backgrounds all walks of life all skin colors all races both genders, I had a stretch where I did like six women in a row because they're talking about stuff.

Yeah. And I'm like, to me, that's, you get out of the way, you try and, you try and, you know, go back to comedians, you try and like, no, we need to have one who's black, one who's native, two white guys and a female or whatever it is. And I feel like maybe it could be great, maybe it is great. But I also go, there's going to be some really good comedians that people probably don't get to hear from because they fit into a category that is full, you know. And that could actually work, that could actually work against a black comedian. Because what if there's like two really,

you know, there's Dave Chappelle and then there's, you know, and somebody somewhere is going, and then there's the next guy. I can't think of them. But you get the point. I do. Like, I would gladly go see whatever the show is. I just want it to be funny. I don't want it to be, well, we're, we're, anyways. I, you know, I'm an absolutist about that. Racism is racism. It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is. It's not okay to discount a resume from an Asian person or a white person or something

because you're looking for a certain color. That's racism, period. I'm old enough to remember. in the early 60s, after the Americans passed the Civil Rights Act, then they instituted this policy of what they call it. They always get cool names for stuff, affirmative action. And the premise behind affirmative action was, we know it's racist. We know that when we get 10 resumes and we have to specially consider certain ones because of their race, by definition, that's racism. But we're only going to do it for a short time. Don't work.

It'll only be for a couple of years so we can get the things moving. Well, 60 years later, or somebody out there smart is going to do the arithmetic and say, oh, no, it's 55. But 55 or half a century later, we're doing that and accelerating it. But we just change the names to things. We've changed segregated to safe space. You know, we put different names on it. The Americans are the best at this.

You know, they passed the most insane legislation, but they put a cool name on it. Like after 9-11, you know, they implemented a whole new alphabet agency. And they instituted a whole bunch of spying and restrictions against their own people. They called it the Patriot Act. They didn't call it, we're going to spy on you and follow your phone and everything else, act. No, no. And it goes on to this day. They just passed another one like, just trying to think of what the name of the Anti-Inflation Act.

And it's the complete opposite. And Canada doesn't do that. I mean, we call it, you know, C-19 or C-21 or whatever. But they just change the name of things. And people think it's okay. Racism is racism. The definition of racism is that you consider an intrinsic quality of somebody in the analysis. Like it's not just their skill set, their merit.

it's something else you consider as well and that's by definition racism and the government is doing it to us every single day and they're pointing the finger at you and they're pointing the finger at me and they're calling us the racist and we're so against that i tell you it's it's their big inoculator they inoculates government inoculates himself against any criticism oh you can't say that because you're a racism. And Canadians are so against racism. It's in our blood. It's in our DNA that we just shirk back from that. We shut up because it's so abhorrent to us. So because of racist. I'm a racist. Come on. And they know this. You know, just like they know you only read the headline, folks. They know if they call you a racist that you're going to back off and you're going to because it's so abhorrent to you.

And we've got to get over that. Well, I've really enjoyed sitting with you, Ken. Before I let you out of here, we've got to do the Crude Master final question. And shout up to Heath and Tracey McDonald, who've supported the podcast since the very beginning. And it's He's words. He said, if you're going to stand behind a cause and stand behind it absolutely, what's one thing Ken stands behind? You know what?

The only thing that matters in the end is truth. and your family community you don't have a truth I don't have a truth there is one truth I have a story but there is only one truth folks don't take my word for it don't take any other experts word for it we're past that we're out of kindergarten now you've got to do some research on your own you've got to seek out the truth there's only one truth there's not a different truth for Sean. There's not a different truth for you. There's a different experience. There's a different story,

but there's only one truth. So to me, you're absolutely a stand behind your position, 100% research position. And if you define something that causes you to change, that's the truth, then you go that way. Well, I appreciate

you giving me time today, Ken. I always enjoy meeting new people and you have not been a let down at all. Well, I hope my meandering didn't go too far afield. I think that comes with the color here. I'll get into trouble about that too.

But I really enjoyed meeting you and speaking with you, and I hope we can get together again soon. Yes, absolutely. We will see where the roads cross, as they will, I'm sure, in 2020. Merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy New Year, all that good stuff. Absolutely. To you and yours out east. I hope you and your, you know, being in Manitoba, I'm not used to be called out east.

I know. But, you know, Merry Christmas to you. I hope you have a great and peaceful Christmas in your family and that you take the time to enjoy them. Because, again, that's one of the absolutes. That's one of the truths of our existence. Thanks, Ken.