Shaun Newman Podcast - (Replay) #379 - Jeremy MacKenzie 3.0

Episode Date: December 17, 2023

Military vet whose known better as the Raging Dissident hops on. Jail, emergency act commission, rape comments & being too risky for Scotia bank are just a few of the topics discussed. Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastE-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] [phone] – general sales line, ask for Grahame and be sure to let us know you’re an SNP listener.

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Welcome to the podcast. I can't even get it out. Welcome to the podcast. It's Sunday. And we're counting down the top 10 episodes of 2023. And I don't know how much of an introduction this guy needs. You know, the raging dissident, also known as Jeremy McKenstein, or maybe it's Jeremy McKenzie, also known as a raging dissident,

there was a lot of people that told me, maybe I shouldn't say a lot of people. There was certainly some people who told me I should not sit across from this individual, that he was dangerous, that he was this, he was that. And I just, I guess I've always sat on this side and been like, nobody's going to tell me I can't talk to anyone. And, you know, it's on certainly the host,

myself to make sure that, you know, I'm going about that in that I'm just not bringing everyone on at all, you know, and over and over again and things I don't believe and everything else. But, you know, one of the things about Jeremy McKenzie is, the first time I ever talked to him was the day I left for Ottawa. And now this episode is the third time he came back on. And, you know, I've been thinking about bringing him back on because there's been so much come through in different conversations and, you know, court cases and on and on and and he is just this guy that as we glosed in on the freedom convoy,

I started getting sent these raging dissident videos. And I was just like, this is something. It's something that permeated the underground network. It just got shared a ton. And so that was the first time I ever had him on. And this one's talking about some of the harassment he was receiving and, you know,

that he's a fellow human being and a whole bunch of other things. So it's pretty crazy, you know, as we count down here, you know, number 10 was Dr. Robert Malone. Number nine, Ken Drysdale, number eight, Jamie Sinclair and Chuck Prodnick, number seven, Tamara Leach, number six, Dr. Eric Payne and Dr. William Macass. And now here's number five with the raging dissident, Jeremy McKenzie. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Jeremy McKenzie. Sir, thanks for coming back on the show. Oh, thanks for having me. I was cautious about it.

Your reputation and everything was such a bad guy, so I had to think about it for a while, but I thought maybe I could pull it off. So thanks for having me back, man. Well, it's interesting. You are the, you're in a select group of like three people who I've had on, where I've had so much public outrage on one side and so much support on the other side. It's, there's only a few people that are, like, it happens lots, but not to the extent where I get like a bunch of texts saying, you need to take that off and a bunch of texts saying, this guy is the best, please have him back, you know? It's a strange world you've created, honestly.

Yeah, I'm a very polar. I'm, you know, well, I'm the national punching bag on, on the one hand. And unfortunately, a lot of people like to, they like to have somebody to be the villain to somebody to blame things on and hate and, you know, throw their negative emotions. swords and so on. And I'm comfortable with it because I know I know what the truth is and what it isn't and where I've been and where I've, you know, what I've done and so on. And, you know, I'm fine with it. And unfortunately, a lot of these people are living on preconceived ideas that they got from CBC or they got from the anti-hate network or they got from, you know, some other form of, you know, corruption, which is all over this place, all over the country. And those of,

you know, people that have been close to me for a long time or been following me for years or I've been kept, you know, abridged of the situation, and they know what's going on. So, you know, it's just one of those things. It's easy to hate somebody when you're angry, I guess. Well, they do a good job of smearing you. And I would say at a couple of different moments, you haven't helped yourself. And, you know, every time any story of you comes up, I hear about it because they think, well, I don't know.

I assume anyone who has you got to show. hears about it but to me I've I've gotten you in to know you a little bit through this and one of the ones that was was tough and I I don't know if you've talked about it since you know I want to kind of bring listeners up to speak because the last time I had you on like literally the day I released it the weapons charges came out and then like within like two weeks they were coming across Canada to get you and within time you're in jail and and so there's never been any follow-up and the first thing that

came while the one that was tough and I don't know maybe you've you've talked lots about this for me I haven't heard anything but it was the the rape comment and I I don't know I I understand like you're a comedian there was drinking involved and I'm just like but I'm still like that's a tough one like that's a tough one like I'm sitting there and I'm like I don't well I mean it's out of context again and you know it was a two and a half hour conversation we had like kind of well it was an offline but It was, you know, camera. We were just sitting around drinking and screwing around and that kind of thing.

And I have, you know, I talked to, uh, who five or six different newspapers about it, I think. And none of them published anything I had to say because I, you know, had things to say they weren't expecting. And they just left it at that. I published a, uh, a substack article, you know, explaining it and all of the stuff. And, you know, I think people just keep bringing it up because the media doesn't cover it. They just want you to live and wallow in this world of, you know, uh, you know, you're, you're the bad guy. So, you know, they just let it go. But, you know, there was that.

And then there was probably 20 minutes explaining, you know, the whole point in that conversation was we were discussing, you know, his success and, you know, how, you know, how he got to that point. And I, you know, was special. Probably because of his wife, you know, a lot of guys that are successful are good at what they do. They have a good support of a partner that, you know, takes care of them, looks after them and supports them.

And she's clearly very, very intelligent and involved in his, career and stuff like that. So I was, well, we went on about this for 20 minutes. They didn't publish any of that stuff. That would clearly show, okay, this isn't, you know, what it sounds like, but, you know, that's the internet for you. And when you talk, uh, 900 hours, you know, or 1,000 hours, I don't know how many hours I've done. They, you know, they'll find something anywhere. Oh, no, they're guaranteed they're going to find something. Yeah. You know, I, you don't need to take any suggestions from me. So, uh, just let this be water off a duck's back if, if you want. When it comes to Jordan Peter,

Anderson, people love and hate that guy, right? And Joe Rogan once told him, you know, you should never do short interviews because what they do is they take you out of context and then they put you into things. I personally don't think you should drink and be on camera because you are one of, you are one of the smartest men I know when it comes, you're very, like, you're very, um, well read. You understand lots of things and you have a personal. And we talked about this last time when I introduced you as the raging dissident or the

rage and you're like I'm just Jeremy and I'm like oh okay fair and I got to be careful of that and when we talked about that you know you have a personality and your personality in your show is is who he is and no one of the times we talked I can't remember for the last one or the first time you're talking about you know I actually don't like to drink that much anymore on the show because it you know you do it so much and I've actually felt the same thing and every time I feel like you get in trouble and I could be wrong on this it feels like you have been drinking and I just know for myself, I already know this. The times in my life where I make poor decisions usually are under the influence.

And you can take that or tell me to go fly a kite. Oh, that's true across anybody's life. You know, it's, I like the, what's the saying? I don't always get in trouble when I drink, but every time I've been in trouble, I was drinking, you know. It's just one of those. But I don't even, you know, I don't drink anymore. I didn't want to. It was just something a gimmick that kind of happened, popped up at the pot.

podcast and it was just kind of a Leahy-esque kind of thing. It just made it a little more, you know, wow, I would turn it off and, you know, go to bed, you know, most of the time. I'm not, you know, you have a couple of beers. It was just kind of a gimmick. But I started to become, uh, like I had to, you know, I would be like, I don't want to do this anymore, but how do I cut out

something out of the, out of the show that's been such a, like kind of a gimmick for so long. And it was, I had kind of, if it's not broke, don't fix it kind of mentality. And if I take something away, I got to put something back in to replace it. And I don't know how to do it. So it just, I ended up hanging on. I don't think I drank at all for seven or eight years before I started doing this. Because I was such a,

I was a fitness freak in the military and, and all of that. But anyway, I had a good run, but I was like, that's good, perfect for me. And I,

you know, and Morgan and I decided, like, maybe you just don't do that anymore. I'm like, I'm fine with that. I don't, this is a great opportunity to do that.

So I haven't, haven't since probably September, whenever, whenever that was, whenever I was arrested again. And, uh, yeah,

I have no plans to. I'm not, uh, not interested in it. and offered that to the government as well. It was like, hey, you can throw that on my conditions, if you like, that I'm banned from alcohol forever. I have no problem with that at all.

So. Well, when you talk about having staples to a show and maybe wanting to move away from it, right? Like, how do you do that when your audience is in? Yeah. I'm learning real fast. You just talk to your audience about it, right? Yeah.

Because I'm the same way. They'll understand, you know. Well, and how you've probably led them all to it, is something, right? Like, there's always going to be a few there. Like, why is he doing that? But that's probably a good thing. For a lot of people...

It is. And I, you know, I said, this is just going to help me. I don't know. This isn't a problem. Like, I don't have an addiction problem or anything like that. Like, I can easily walk away whenever I want, but now I'm putting in twice the hours I was before. So I'm not wasting time, you know, sleeping off six or seven beers in the morning or, you know, the fog. Just the habitual, if you have a few beers a week, like, it makes a substantial difference in your,

and your clarity and your mental focus and your in everything like i'm again i was a huge health freak i know all of the stuff that people are going to say um and uh i'm i'm aware of it i just did it any like why do people smoke was like i i'm aware this is killing me but i'm doing it anyway because i want to right so it's like yeah okay uh you know so it's definitely not good for you and i think if people don't want to they don't they don't they shouldn't i don't think uh you know it's done a lot of harm to a lot of people and um it's one of those things but everybody you know if you want a drink, go ahead, go for it. If you think it's something you don't want in your life, I'd say, yeah,

it's probably not. He shouldn't be. It's every man for himself. You know, you've got to run your own ship, your own way. Yeah, and I should point out, I wasn't trying to make it out that you have a problem or anything, other than just that when you talk as much as you do, on a show and have the amount of scrutiny that it's coming your way. Me and you talked

about this probably the first time in that they literally watch every move Jeremy McKenzie's making. They're watching it right now. Well, they, yeah, it's not even, you know, they in a sense. It's a lot of unpaid interns. You've got this army of troll goblins and, you know, Antifa and anti-hate and the stuff. And that's, that's who does it. And they just, they do it for the obsession.

It's like, you want to talk about people of mental illness. You know, I'm here, you know, doing my thing. If you don't like it, turn it off. This is what I do. I'm an entertainer and, you know, commentator on social issues and politics. And it is what it is. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. But I have, we have people.

You know, Morgan has stalkers. I do. It's insane. I'm talking nearly two dozen people that basically have made it their full-time or part-time job to follow everything that we do because they hate us and then document it just and then say, like as an obsessed, like John Elton, you know, pre-assassassant phase obsession or something. I don't know what the hell. I mean, if I don't know what I would say, if I saw my son doing something like that, I'd be like, you need to go to an institution now. Like, why are you watching so much of this guy? Because I hate him so much.

Like, that's not right. That's not healthy. I go, no, you're not doing well, you know. What do you think of, we'll get back to your story, the Project Veritas video. Do you think that's, like, is that, is that, as soon as something like that happens, two things happen. It gets a pushed, well, I mean, immediately it gets pushed out everywhere.

But then you have the two factions. One's like, it is absolutely true. One, it was a setup and a whole bunch of things, and they get into conspiracy land theories. What did you think of the video of, the date gone wrong. From just from what I've seen, as much as like just the videos,

like just going purely off the project Barataz that they've released, I think it looks pretty genuine to me. I don't see any reason, you know, to why it isn't. The guy is pretty comfortable trying to, trying to get laid or whatever it is he's trying to do

and he's, you know, spilling secrets and being pretty, like, you know, don't tell anybody about this. Like, he's got no reason to feel suspicious. And then what really gives it away is his actions after the fact

after he confronts. with it. Like, I love that, like, the Project Veritas thing is, is every time he comes up with something else, it's like, it's like a pay-per-view event for me. I'm like, oh, this is going to, it's never disappoints. It's never some lame, like, oh, we've got them now. And it's like, it's a page nine of some document where it's boring, right? It's always something insane. Like, what do you have tonight, James? We have a senior Pfizer executive, the head of the research and development department admitting that the company is a revolving door for government officials and regulators and the pharmaceutical companies have essentially hijacked your governments and are forcing you to take their products and have created this business model where they're just going to manipulate viruses and sell you the cures for them forever oh is that all is that all you've discovered you know it's crazy and then when he and then when he confronts the guy with it he freaks out and he just keeps repeating i don't know what's happening i'm calling the cop because he's pan he's panicking because he's caught he's not confused if you're an innocent person it's like i was just screwing around You know, like, are you, like earlier, right?

Like, are you, I had the police. He called the cops on me, you know, Millhouse did. I call him Millhouse because I'm not allowed to use their names in a derogatory sense because the court conditions because we have a little free country. It's like, you know, he sent the cops after me. And I was like, you know, I was, can I help you? You're like, no, clearly this is, this is a misunderstanding. You guys are misreading what I'm.

I'm not trying to go out and find people to, to assault. This is, you know, ludicrous. This guy comes up and shows him, shows him what he said and he's done. He immediately freaks out and panics. He's locking the doors. He's scrambling around the restaurant like a maniac. He's smashing their iPads and screaming at them and freaking out. And then flees the scene.

Like, yeah, that's not what innocent people do, you know? Well, I think better, you should do a video over the, over the video where you just commentate as he goes along. That would be something. I did a live reaction to it on my podcast. Oh, and actually I did watch that. What am I talking about? I'm like listening to this. I'm going like, this is a great idea.

Meanwhile, Jeremy's already done it. Already done it. Yesterday's news, bud. But, but, you know, yeah, the way he reacted and everything. And also, so the people, it's fear. They just, when you have too much fear, you don't see clearly ever. Like, you don't see things right. And people are afraid that, you know, this can't be right because if it is, that's a terrifying

conclusion to what we all have known for a long time or I have for a long time. Some people are just figuring it out. Like, it's not a, it's not an easy thing. Like, I've known this and like in my soul for a while that the government is deeply, deeply corrupt and the media is deeply, deeply corrupt and they're bad people and they lie for money and they don't care who gets hurt and killed in the process and so on. A lot of people are just being alerted to this now, you know, in the last couple of years and they're, they're rightly, it's terrifying, especially if you're, you know, someone who has

kids or, you know, like, what kind of world are you talking about? Like, they just lied about, like, what if you've already put this in your body or into your children or something and so on? So they don't want this to be true and they're not going to, you know, lean into that in any sense. So they're, they're going to hide. And all you have to do is provide an explanation, which is what Pfizer has done, which is what the government did at 9-11, even if it's insane or what they did with like UFOs in the 60s. They said, oh, it's swamp gas. Really? 200 of us saw, they said this was swamp.

You ever hear? This is a funny story. Back in the, I want to say the 50s, maybe. There was an event where hundreds of people witnessed like, I think a dozen or eight different, you know, lights, UFOs, whatever they were flying around the Capitol building and then just kind of hovering. And then they intercepted by the Air Force. This is a whole big thing. And then the government came on and said, it was swamp gas. It was like a ridiculous explanation for what you're witnessing.

But it's an explanation, and that's all they care about. It was a bunch of guys with box cutters. A guy lives in a cave. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Don't worry about it. Anyway, they defeated all of NORAD and NATO and the whole thing. There was no internet. It's just to just shut up.

Just shut up and, you know, eat the salad, you know. So they do this. What would you expect? If Pfizer is this, let's pretend we're right. This is a thought experiment. If you're an honest person, then you're not a brain. in in-washed ideologue and you are capable of independent critical thinking. What would you think Pfizer would do if this was true?

Do you really expect them to come on TV and go, all right, take me to jail? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, you got us now. You're right. Yeah, everything you said is true. Unfortunately, you got us. They're going to deny everything. They'll probably, you know, they could probably even make this guy sign something.

He's like, I never even worked here. He never exists. They've already deleted him off the internet. His LinkedIn's gone. All of it's gone. He's gone into hiding and they're just going to say nothing. because of course, of course, that's what they would do. What, like, what do these people expect?

So it just comes down to who do you believe? And I believe the people with the track record. What does James O'Keefe have to gain by making this up? Or nothing. He stands to lose his entire reputation of being a guy that, you know, says, here's what they don't want you to see. And, you know, what, what do the, you know, it just doesn't make sense.

Versus you're going to listen to these pharmaceutical giants who have been sued for tens of billions of dollars for criminal activity. for bribing doctors, for falsifying test data, all of the things they've done. So it's like, this is who, now pick a side. I'm sorry, I'm not siding with the giant lying evil, big pharmaceutical companies that we've known have been corrupt and, you know, malevolent for decades. It's just, you know, end of story, as far as I'm concerned, I don't know. I retweeted something this morning that I, do you know, you probably know the name Cliff High, I assume, but maybe not.

No. Okay, Cliff High, eh. He does a show where he says a lot of things that wrap my letter, you know, I have a hard time understanding. But from everything from, it doesn't matter, U.S. politics to world, everything from, you know, aliens to, you know, you can go anywhere with them. Anyways. Yeah. He put out a thing on, he put on a guy today. He said, when did the universe slap you awake?

For me, it was November 22nd, 1963 with JFK assassination. And then the queue. And then there's just like people saying different points, wherever it was, whatever book it was, whatever story it was. And for me, I laugh about it. I'm like, man, can you imagine being awake since 1963? Oh. Well, actually, it's easier. I've thought of that.

And, well, first, it's like I call it like it's a rip in the wall page. You ever see a tear in a wallpaper and you just have an urge to just peel at it? Because it looks like there's something underneath it and you want to see what it is. That's what happens when something, you just notice it. Whatever it was about the JFK assassination for, well, I don't know. For the fact that the president goes like this, his head goes backwards, you know. Like, oh, he was shot in the back of the head. Like he was clearly shot in the face.

You can watch it, you know. Oh, we have an expert, a government expert comes out to say a bunch of nonsense. Like, I have some experience with guns and, you know, seeing people get shot and so on. I'm telling you he was shot in the face. It's very obvious. And they said, no, no, it's not. So why would you lie about why are you doing this? And it's just this one guy, like, why is in an open-top limousine?

Why did the Secret Service just literally run away as they're departing the airport? These kinds of things make people go, what? And then they start picking at the wallpaper. And then they tear it. And they go, oh, there's something underneath this, and it's not good. And you have, you know, more time to go out to look at it over the years. But if you're somebody recently, like the longer this goes on, and you stay asleep, the worse it is going to be

to yank out of the Matrix, you know, to use a metaphor, because you're going to think you caught up with all this stuff. It's not like, oh, is there a tiny rip in the wallpaper? Like, yeah, your entire room actually is fake. It's the whole thing. The whole thing, like, there's so much, you, you know, and it's horrifying. I imagine you just become like Nicholas, like

a crazed Nicholas Cage, and I'm like, ah, just ripping it down, and you're like, oh, my God. So you have people, and I've had the people sent him me stuff about every conspiracy I've ever read about since the 1990s. Like, did you know about this? I'm like, yes. Did you hear about Waco? I made a video of, yes, a movie about that.

Yes, I know about all of these things. So they just become overwhelmed. And a lot of it's nonsense, too. There's so much nonsense on the internet and crazy stuff. I think on purpose, I think a lot of it's on purpose. Oh, definitely on purpose. To muddy the waters and stuff. So I compare it to like bargain bin shopping.

Like this is how you have to do it. Like if you're at Walmart or something. And there's, you know, those big bins of DVDs and Blu-Race and stuff. And it's trash. That's why they're in there. Nobody wants them. Nobody wants it. But if it's, sometimes, you,

times you find a good one or like a used clothes used clothing stores or something right some people donate like brand new five hundred dollar jackets just because they're i don't want it i just didn't want to throw it away so i gave it to them you know it's like a bunch of literally crap stained clothes and everything smells like vomit and you're like it's like oh a brand new perfect that's exactly what i was looking for look at that yay that's basically you know how you have to to handle it and um it's easier if you have lots of time over the years to just digest them one piece at a time at your own pace rather than the last two years. Where it's by fire hose.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, yeah. And I, that would overwhelm people. And I think it has. You're seeing a lot of people, they don't know what to believe anymore. I think that explains the rise of like people like, the queen, queen Romona Dudo, the first of the royal empire of QAnon or whatever the hell she is driving. You've got grown people that have jobs paying her money and, and like, believing it.

Because there's probably, there's probably some kind of psychological reason. I don't think they're all crazy and stupid and naive. I think it's just, I can't imagine having your worldview rocked that hard, that fast, and that many directions to the point where you're like, I don't even know what's real anymore. And I think there's a lot of people like that walk around now, because who do you believe? It turns out everything you've been listening to forever.

These people have been lying about all kinds of things, and now you don't know what's going on. So we're not healthy, we're not healthy as a people anymore at all. No, no. And there's a ton of people like that. Like a ton of people that, uh, uh, I don't know. I've had my moment. I'm sure lots of people have had their moment where they're just like,

how do you find your bearings again after you've been, you know? And I always talk about Ottawa, Jeremy, sorry, just for like going there and seeing what, what was going on and then seeing how they talked about it and just being like, yeah, like how do you, how do you ever, you can never come back from this? Yeah. I had two. Um, mine, was the first one was nine. Well, it was a delayed impact, you know?

So nine 11 happened. I was kind of an angry. I know this may sound difficult to believe, but I was kind of an angry kid, you know, that was like mouthy and I had an attitude and I was, you know, thought I was smarter than everybody and tried to, you know, so I was skeptical, you know, I didn't, I was like, yeah, I'm not, but I was all nonsense.

But, you know, instinctively, there was something wrong with it. And it went on and carried on for a long time and I had a period in the military where I was on the couch and had nothing to do. I was injured. I had been in a snowmobile accident and, uh, was on the couch had nothing to do. So I started just digging into stuff. you know, long story short, that whole, you know, it was a fiasco. This is just a conquest war for

corporations and billionaires to make money. There was no justification for any of this stuff. It had nothing to do with, you know, any of these people. Why are we in Iraq? You know what I mean? Like it was just, it was nonsense. So then I being, which is bad enough, but I'm like, I did this for 14 years, 14 and a half years. A lot of my friends died pursuing this. They're still killing themselves. And, you know, you look in the mirror and you realize like, if this is true, then I'm basically a stormtrooper from Star Wars. I'm just a guy that went along where the Empire told me to go, you know, and that's not a fun thing to, you know, I had to accept that. I had to believe, like, I could pretend and be like, pretend all the things I've read and saw aren't true and I just

ignore them all and live in this fantasy world where I'm some kind of hero running around killing poor people in the Middle East or South Africa somewhere that, or this does seem to be correct and I am doing this and I'm going to have to now make a decision. Am I going to, now that I know, am I going to continue doing this or am I going to like how do you how do you stay fired up about a career like that that requires your heart and soul to be into it to be effective when you know these things I just couldn't do it and so I was like that's it I got I got to get out of here I can't uh I can't imagine now you've got this this nonsense in Ukraine with the Russians like that's all our doing again um it's it's just not worth your your life you know to go and get maimed and killed for for

liars and in you know these billionaire plutocrats that just the world is their sandbox and they tell you whatever lie you have to, you need to go do what you're supposed to do. And in this case, it's the evil Russians are taken over the world because they're evil. And that's just, I mean, it's a bare bones,

you know, paper thin explanation that makes no sense to anyone, but everyone's fine enough to, you know, digest it and go with it. So there was that. And I witnessed some war crimes and some bad stuff that happened when I was in Afghanistan.

And I came home and CBC investigated it and said it didn't happen. They said, no, that's all, that's fake news. It was maybe an isolated incident here and there, but most of the stuff that doesn't have. I was like, I was there. I saw it with my own.

So then it, you know, you have to just digest this and come to terms with the reality. Like, this is how it is. And it's just, you know, you can't come back from that.

Once you've seen behind the curtain, and it's just, you know, the great awe is just some, you know, goblin guy, you know, pulling on levers and buttons and stuff.

It's like, you can't come back, you know, the magic is lost, you know. It's funny. I, yeah,

Yeah, well, yeah, the Bible says it, and I'm going to get texts about this because I can't remember exactly how it says it, but you know, you get what you ask for, essentially. And I asked to see behind the curt. And I wasn't, you know, I had my ideas. And then when you see it, you're kind of like, ah, fuck. Yeah. I've always, I actually read the Bible in jail because I was bored. But I had kind of thumbed through half of it, I think, over my life. And I was like, I might as well finish this, you know, I've got nothing else to do.

But I've always thought that, just like, if I could, you choose, like, what would you rather? What do you want? What, if you had to ask for anything, you know, if you're going to ask God for anything, it's like, give me the wisdom to know what's right and the strength to do to do to do. That's all. Just let me know, like, I need to know what the right thing, like, what's right and wrong, like, what's true and what isn't. Like, wisdom is what I want. And I want to also have the courage and strength to then. you know,

live my life according to that because it's not easy. It's not, you know, it's not a fun thing to know these kinds of things and be like, oh, I guess I have to take on

the government now or the police or say this or say that and it's going to make my life worse and people are going to come after me, but, you know, that's how it's how it's going to have to be. That's the deal,

you know, that's the deal you made. You know, um, where did he say? Andrew Tate, uh, um,

we don't need to go, well, I mean, we can. I got lots, time. Well, the thing, he said something, and as soon as he, I saw this clip on him, and as soon as he said it, I immediately thought of you. And he said, you get three lives if you attack powerful people. Yeah. The first one, they've tried to ban you, so they ban you off social media.

The next they file false charges. Yeah. And then you die. Yep. Essentially as they wipe you out. Do you, do you subscribe to that thought? He's not wrong in saying that. It just depends on who it is you're beefing with and what their stomach for like how bad do they want you to stop doing what you're doing um you know i don't think they necessarily are going to kill everybody you know kind of a thing if you're if you're if you're someone like uh set rich maybe or if you're or if you're you know you're you know dismantling the mafia and taking on the Israelis and doing all kinds of yeah you might die you know they have a track record of doing that kind of thing um but it's just the escalation you always use the minimum like they would be revealed much more easily

if someone just as simply is like, just started, like, I'm going to start a YouTube channel or a podcast and blah, blah, blah, and they immediately go to assassination. That may alarm some people. It might perk up some, you know, some attention. They'll just start with whatever minimum use of force as we do in the military, you know, rules of engagement is you use the minimum amount of force required to resolve the situation. And you're supposed to do the same thing in policing as well.

You know, there's a drunk guy in the street. You don't just mull them down with a machine gun. You start at the lowest faucet. Maybe I can ask him to go home. If that doesn't work, you're going to tell him to go home. If that doesn't work, I'm going to get the pepper spray. If that doesn't work, you know, you just start escalating. So they start with, okay, we're going to start putting you in anti-hate articles.

We're going to start smearing you. We're going to start saying this. And if that doesn't work, then we're going to up it to now you're going to get mainstream coverage. Now you're going to be on CBC and you're going to be on all of these things saying the same stuff. And then if that doesn't work, well, now the police are coming after you. And we're going to charge you. We're going to bury you in fees and fines and legal fees. And, you know, going to jail for a couple months typically ruins the lives of most people.

Unfortunately, for me, I have kind of an unconventional life. style. I have a military pension, so there's that. So I don't have to worry about, you know, my income, you know, being deported. But if I had a regular job or, you know, I, you lose it. You go to jail for a couple of months. You're fire. Obviously, you're not coming back to work. You're going to lose your house because how do you pay for it? You're going to miss your mortgage payments. You're going to lose everything. It'll destroy your life. So that's, that's the intention there. And then if that doesn't work and if they, well, then maybe they will just rub you out. It depends. That's just an escalation of forest. So naturally, what comes next? If the previous things

didn't work. Are they going to put you in jail again? Are they going to write you another smear article? Are they going to, if that doesn't seem like it's going to have any effect, well, what's the point? You know, maybe they will. And it's interesting with Tate, too, because a lot of people, he's another one of these guys. Everyone either loves them or hates them and people were on one side or the other. I had kind of a different take on it where he very well may be guilty of the things they're saying that he did. The problem I have with it is, would he have been pursued by law enforcement if he wasn't Andrew Tate? If he was a guy that didn't say the things that he did, would he be, would he be under the, you know, the radar of law enforcement? Because I wasn't

until I started talking, you know, about the police and the Porta Peak massacre in Nova Scotia. And then I became a person of interest to the RCMP, which is not how this is supposed to go. Not for crimes, but because I didn't like what I was saying. So, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of human traffickers and pimps and whatever else they're accusing Andrew Tate of doing that the police are just not bothering with because it's not a priority. So why was he? What made him different from them. You know what I'm feeling? Like it's not,

it's not hard to figure this out. It's because of, you know, the things he talks about, the things he says, he draws attention of people that don't like what he's saying and they use their influence to then maybe do that.

I don't know. That could, that could have been what happened. That seems to be what's happened in my case because similarly, I mean, I don't believe for a second that any of the things that I've been put through. I would have been applied to me if I was just some guy on the street. Nobody's ever heard of.

You'd bring this to the, you know, the police and the courts and stuff. And they'd go, this is frivolous, you know, but because it's me, well, it's a different story. So that's, uh, that's the, that's the, that's the scary part about this and that kind of ties into the debanking stuff, I guess is that we are increasingly living in a world where if you disagree, it doesn't matter who you are. And if you think like, again, I've been on the internet for so

long. It's like, well, he said this about, you know, P, P and, and this and that. Again, accusations, whatever. I've been on the internet for talking for thousands of hours and for years. And this is what you're like what you know this is all you have so it's not a lot and you're using that to justify this so we have a state you know basically a police state that is targeting people that it doesn't like specifically it's like well we you know you've got a hundred criminals to go after let's just pretend i'm a criminal for a minute and why are you starting with the guy that's you know saying the things you don't like that's what make why why why why are you prioritizing this guy over over the cartels or the human trafficking gangs or any of these organized crime units.

And like, we're not really bothering with that. But this guy, we got to get them because, you know, it's, it's disturbing. It's a disturbing pattern. If people think that's not going to escalate, this was unthinkable five years ago, 10 years ago. It was, you know, that's 1984, brave new world, you know, dystopia kind of stuff that this would happen. Now it's like, well, you shouldn't have said that. Like, well, people are just, you know, being acclimatized to it. So where will it be in another five or 10 years?

did you post something on Facebook you're not supposed to? You're going to go to jail for a week. Like real jail, not, you know, not Facebook jail. They're doing it in the United Kingdom. The cops will come to your house and find you. You might get arrested for tweets. That'll be here soon. And then it'll be, they're going to try and put it in the United States after that. I tell the Americans all the time, like if you, you know, there's a reason you should pay attention to what happens here because Canada is more like America than any other country ever will be. So for marketing purposes, if you're an advertising company, and they do this with marketing, if you're going to to test it or sell a new product in the United States, you test it in Canada first in Canadian markets because it's so similar to the, to the Americans, that whatever test data you're

going to get there, this smaller risk, if it goes sideways in Canada, I mean, who cares, really, right? You're not going to blow billions of dollars on a campaign in Canada that doesn't make any money. So they test it here first, and if it works out, then they move it down to the States. And up here, you're seeing the gun confiscation laws, the gun grabs, the censorship bills, the wrong thing, the thought crime, the hate speech and all of that stuff, the debanking. and not kind of, so they're going to iron out the creases here and figure out how to really nail this down, and then it's coming south. So, uh, the United States should be paying very close, worded attention to what's happening up here.

When you put it like that, I mean, obviously I don't need to keep saying this, but it frames the, the coming years, the coming days, whatever, as very dark days ahead. Do you see any hope in the days ahead? You know, um, with, uh, whether it's politics, whether it's just people in general, uh, Do you see any things that, you know, give you some hope? Compared to, you know, when I was younger, there's a lot of people now that are online, I guess, or paying attention, not on the internet online,

but like they're paying attention. They're not missing what's happening now. Like, it's exponentially different than it was. There's a huge audience for this stuff now. 10 years ago, you're crazy to question anything. If you thought 9-11 was something was fishy about that, You're like, I get ready of your mind. That segment of the population that has only just become skeptical.

That's all that's required. Skeptical and suspicious of state power and authority has exploded. It's probably 25% of the population at least. I would say at least. That are hardcore. Absolutely not. You guys are lying scum and I'm not, you know, 25%. And then you've probably got another 20 to 30% on top of that that are on the fence.

Like, I'm starting to have questions about, starting to have serious concerns. So we're pretty split down the middle here. And once people leave the reservation, like you said and go to oh we live in this kind of a world they don't come back like no one's going back in the matrix you know it's like i'm done i'm bored with this i'm gonna go back even if you wanted to go back in the major you couldn't right you you want to be cipher you there's there's no way to get back in like because you're just going to see it over and over again you're yeah you'll go mad you'll go completely mad so it's um we're in a race there's a there's a

they have to nail this down because this is like um like a disease or you know from their point of you like a cancer like a tumor it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger and it's going to overtake it's going to kill you if you don't do something about it so that's why the heads but but in saying that the harder they push the more they expose themselves right the more they expose themselves the quicker it grows right like because i um when we were in the before the freedom convoy i was using just a simple analogy and i use the chinese and it It has nothing to do with China, just if they wanted to take over Canada, the best way to do it is over like 100 years, just this slow thing where it's creeps in.

The worst thing they could do is drop in troops everywhere tomorrow because then all we realize, holy crap, they're trying to take, and the way we go to war, whatever. Yeah, that's the last resort. The same thing is happening right now. Everybody's like, you know, with the, you just stick with the vaccine and all the injuries coming out and different people talking about it and some pretty prolific. people starting to talk about it. The fact that BBC has had a Seymahulter on there and I really like what he has to say or the fact that on Twitter, like, what was that yesterday, Scott Adams,

or was that day before? Yeah, Scott Adams. And you're like, what is going on? Even this is going to snap more and more people out of where we're at, which means if you're the government and you're trying to nail this down, it's almost at the point you can't. Yeah. But that doesn't mean they won't try. No. And well, see, here's the pickle. Like, I try to, you know, this is how I get insight into, into what, you know, they're doing sometimes is what, what would you do? What would I do? Like, just honestly put yourself in their shoes and think of the problem. And from your angle, what would you probably try to attempt to do that? And then you'd have to expect, well, that's probably what the, they might try and do. If I've thought

of it, they've thought of it, right? It's like, um, I use military analogies all the time, because it's all else I did. That's my whole life. I don't know what else to say. Uh, but so if you're if you're if you're going to like breach a compound or something you know we've all seen the movies and the video games or stuff who wants to be the first guy in the door it's not a not a popular it's a very terrifying feeling and it's not a and often the first couple of guys are the ones that catch the bullets um so nobody wants to do that and obviously the metaphor or not obviously maybe condescending i'm being a dick um potentially the metaphor there is you know scott adams isn't the first guy in the door he might be five or six he's not going to be first but he even though

he maybe has known, he may have known, you know, the things he's saying now for a little while. It may have to catch up, but people are scared to go out and be the one that's going to go, ah, they're going to point and scream and yell at you. So they don't want to do it. It takes a few courageous people to go first and then everybody gets comfortable with it. They see them go through and they're okay. You know, their lives aren't destroyed. They didn't get thrown up.

And then the floodgates open and people come behind them. So they're trying to make examples of these, you know, figures popping up, dissenting. And they're faced with a situation now where the cancer is spreading so fast that it's going to crush you and kill. So they have to nail down what it is they're trying to do as quickly as possible because they're running out of time. So it's like this sprint like at the end of a marathon of 100 years and we're like sprinting at each other to the finish line neck and neck. And it's like this is going to be anybody's game here. And I don't know how, you know, some of the moves. Well, I'll trip you.

I'll trip you on the race and then I'll win. Like everyone will see you do that that you cheated and you won't win. Like they're running out of options here. And I think they got late. I don't know if they got agreed. they got lazy, but the way things were going for so long, that's when I said, you know, it's encouraging you see so many people, you know, coming online.

Back 10, 15 years ago, it was very few people compared to now. And it was unbelievable. Like, I could never have imagined this many people. Just the people in my life, friends of mine, family members that I've known for my whole life that I can have these conversations with and they're not like looking at you. Like, you're out of your mind, you know? They're totally like, oh, yeah, they see the exact same thing. So I don't know.

This last one impacted everyone. Everybody saw it firsthand. And I would argue on the flip side with, well, I mean, on the same breath, with so much of the population getting the vaccinations, everybody knows somebody, as well as they're willing to admit it. Yeah. It's like somebody, somebody, like, somebody soiled their pants at a party and no one can leave until we figure out who, like, they're going to find you. You know, you can't, this can't go on. They're going to, there's no way, you know what I mean? because the longer this goes on, the greater the stench.

And people are going to start going, okay, what is going, and they're going to find it. And it's going to become top priority. So what would you do? You're sitting as, you're sitting as Justin Trudeau. You're sitting there or the people pulling Justin Trudeau's strengths. Wherever you want to sit, you're going to sit there and you're watching this play out. You're like, fuck. Well, that kind of backfired a little bit.

Didn't see that little turn of events coming. What is Jeremy's next stage of what he's going to? try. If I'm an evil globalist, you know, um, fortunately, that's exactly what I want, what I want you to think like. Yeah, fortunately for them, they have, they have mechanisms in place to alleviate these problems because, like, he's not the first person to become a very unpopular, loathed leader of a country. They, they run it to the wheels fall off and then they replace you with someone else. They just, they just swap you out. And then this, they'll go get a job at the World Economic Forum or

Build a Burger or some think tank or group or something somewhere. Like, they all have, they'll go on to bigger and, and, and, they'll go on to bigger and, and, and, you know, more lucrative things once they're done. It's just a pit stop. It's a gig, you know, to be president or prime minister for a few years, and then they do something else. And they replace the figurehead because it's really all they are. They're just a spokesman for the franchise.

I compare it to McDonald's. I call it my McGovernment. That's what this is. Like, this is the McGovernment, Canada. It's a little bit different than the McGovernment in, you know, United Kingdom or France, but it's basically the same how it operates and how it, you know, its agenda and all the things it wants to do.

It's, you know, more or less the same. Swapping out the guy in charge is just going to, it's like going to McDonald's and, We'll change the shift manager. We'll change the manager. And then you're still in McDonald's. You're just dealing with a different customer service representative. That's really all they are.

So I think he's probably potentially coming to the end of his life cycle, I guess, as a viable leadership figure. They only have eight years in the United States. And, you know, that's around that time up here before people really run out of patience, you know, and then they want a different one. And we just keep going back and forth. And my dad has talked about this with me before, where he says he's tired of voting people out this whole life. They just, oh, I'm so tired of this guy. Vote him out. Someone else takes

over and they get tired of him. Vote him out. We got to get Harper out. We got to get Cratch Jen out. We got to get Mulroney out. We got to get always. And then they just replace them. Everybody, the pressure release valve comes on. Oh, there. We got him out. Everything's going to go back to normal. And it never does. It just keeps getting worse. It kind of gets, you know, there's two steps forward, one step back. You know, you tighten the screws two rotations. And then it's, oh, they're reacting. You take it off half or maybe one. Let them calm down and adjust and then you go back to what you're doing. And it's been like that for decades.

And it's like I tried and true method that hasn't failed. So I've been really trying to do whatever I can to avoid. I don't think it can be avoided. I'm not going to be so full of myself to think that I can stop this from happening. It's way beyond and bigger than any of us. But try to alert people to the fact that, you know, just going to get the lips out. We just get them out. That's not going to do anything.

It doesn't matter. Like, oh, you want more of this guy? It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. He's a customer service representative. He's the spokesman on the phone for Amazon. And you think swapping him out is going to make Amazon change or collapse or something. It's not.

So people need to be aware of that and understand that our entire government is compromised in one way or another. They're either morally compromised in the fact that they won't say anything or won't step up to the plate and get in the way of what is very clearly obviously massive corruption. Or they're intimately involved and benefited from themselves so they're not motivated to do anything about it. But either way, we're at a point now. Again, the Veritas videos, I would be, there was two dozen lobbyists for Pfizer or just in Nova Scotia. Like, there's only a million people that live here. How many lobbyists do you need?

Like, the government's not that big. They're completely, it's across the board, corrupt. So we don't have, we don't have a free, we don't have it. We have a fascist dictatorship. Like the government and corporations are like this. Corporations run the world now. They own our governments. Our governments are simply figureheads that we believe we're installing to lead our interests, and they don't.

They're just the go-between for the corporations that run this place. I mean, how else can you explain this? How else can you have a government like the United States taking orders from a pharmaceutical company or from the World Economic Forum or from debt? That doesn't make any sense unless they're more powerful then or have more influence that they can do these kinds of things. At the end of the day, our people go there. They go to where these guys are and to listen to them. It's a pay-for-play scheme, which is really, really terrifying. The True North guys were over there in Davos and interviewing them and stuff.

And Andrew Lawton dug this up that they're getting paid. The politicians don't pay anything. They go for free. But these pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, oil, whatever it is, you want access to these people so you can influence them and tell them what you make some deals. It's going to cost you half a million dollars. So they're charging these people, which is pennies to them. them anyway. It's a pay for access to powerful people so you can

enact you basically bypass all the voters. We don't matter. It doesn't matter what we say because these people just use their money to get in between us and our elected leadership and dictate to them what they want to have happened. And then they come back to our countries and then they make it happen. And if anyone here dissents and says, I don't like this, they simply say, oh, you're a terrorist. Put you in jail.

What do you think about Alberta then? You know, we've had an interesting going, and I say this because, you know, lots of people that do, lay out exactly what you've laid out. Go, Daniel Smith is in there somewhere. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, I mean, her track record on how she went from, like, official opposition to walking the floor to pretty much being Alberta's like, I don't know, most hated villain in politics to go, you know, stepping away from the radio station because of where we got to to, to rock. back through the ashes of what the UCP was to be the leader. I'm like, don't get me wrong. You want to go conspiracy on me? I'm all for it. I'm always interested to hear different thoughts on it, but I literally witnessed it firsthand. I'm like, I don't see it. And now to see the way the CBC is attacking her and you're just like, usually that looks like when the big

giant evil corporation is attacking you, that that might be one of the good ones. I've been doing this a long time, and I've been the conspiracy, you know, for quite a while, and I've always, I don't like to be wrong. I hate that. It's a shitty feeling when you, you look stupid, you know, and it's, you take risks when you talk with, you know, these kinds of things. And if you get it wrong, you look like an idiot. So I try not to be. And I take great care to try to, you know, be careful in that way. And I've, just over the years, you go from, they're all in on it. You know, they're all working together. It's all to, it's not that, it's not that insane. A lot of people will just go along with an agenda because of the social pressure. No one has to make a call to you and tell you, oh, my God, I get something to my eye, sorry. No one has to make a phone call. Like George Soros doesn't have to call you up on the phone and say, this week, you know, we're doing this and that. Your local representative may be voting along these lines for these things because of the pressure to do, it's just the unspoken, this is what we're doing.

Like there's, you know, there's no conspiracy. They're just not opposing it because it's easier. It's what did Viva Frye tell me, Parkinson's Law of Politics or something? They just go with what's easier. So I don't know. I don't, you know, I've had people do this to me. Like, oh, they see that hand gesture they made?

They're part of some kind of freemason cult and stuff like this. And because they're not perfect, you know, well, Daniel Smith isn't perfect. She said this or she did that. So therefore, you know, dismiss this whole person's life. And I've also had people do this to me where they, you know, fill in the blanks with whatever their imagination desires. And the next thing, you know, I'm working for the feds and I'm a cop and I'm a CESIS agent

and I'm all these things. I'm pretty sure of my own life situation and, you know, the people around me and that live in it and experiences with me, we know how insane that is. But like, if it can happen to me, it happens to anybody and they'll just take, you know, 2% of the information that's probably vital to understanding a situation. And then you're filling in the other 98% with your own, your own ideas. So I don't, I don't know. I think she seems, you know, until you get real definitive proof that there's something shady going on, you can't just be like, well, they're in a picture with this person. or they talked to this person one time. That doesn't mean anything.

There's a million reasons for that. Alberta is an interesting situation because that there is, the will is there to pursue a different destiny than Ottawa. There's a lot of people, there's enough people there that it could happen. So that's going to be up to the people of Alberta and whoever moves there in the meantime, because you're going to see that continue. You're going to see the migration to Alberta explode. Well, it already has.

It's already begun the last couple of years, and it's going to continue. People are getting pushed out of the cities and pushed out of Ontario, especially. It's too expensive to live there. So they're looking for alternative places to go. And people that feel this way like myself, I live in Nova Scotia. If I could, if I could, you know, migrate Alberta, I would. And there's lots of other people that are. So you've got this sentiment of Ottawa's crazy.

And they're not, you know, this isn't a Canadian. This isn't Canada anymore. I don't know what this is. everyone else that feels like that is all collecting in one area, kind of in one spot. So they're going to be harder and harder and harder to dislodge as they, you know, basically balkanize them, you know, circle the wagons. That's only going to add to this sentiment. And people that have moved to Alberta, which is, I think, probably the fastest, I think more people are moving in there than any other province, I would imagine.

I think it's basically as close to get, as close as Canada is going to get to having a Florida. That sentiment's going to increase because people aren't moving there because of the weather in February in Edmonton. No, they're moving there because of what they're standing for or what, you know, Daniel Smith and the government has voiced. And they're going to want to get involved and they're going to want to support. So if anyone understands or figures out how to channel that energy and that sentiment in the right way and really go for it, they could pull it off. So we'll see. I don't, I'm not optimistic on the future of this country, you know, existing in its current state for for too much longer. Most countries last about 200 years is the average life cycle.

We're not too far off. So, you know, I don't think we're that special. You know, it's not like Canada's, you know, conquered empires or, you know, take on the world or anything, you know, or just another, not a big country, 38 million people. Not a lot holding this together from coast to coast, because apparently we don't have any national identity or culture. There is no such thing as Canadian values and we're a post-national state and all this stuff fastest changing demographics and the history of the world outside of a war and so on. So I don't, you know, the things that make a country, a country are being eroded by the day. And the people that want to preserve those things are all collecting in one spot. So just naturally it makes sense to understand to think that, well, that spot may continue to exist as whatever Canada was.

And it's going to want to distance itself from everywhere else because they don't want to go down the path that it's leading everybody down. That just is just common sense. Might be common sense. I don't know. This is eternal optimist to me. The confrontation is what's inevitable is common sense. Whether they pull it off, whether it happens or not, I don't know. But this is going to come to a head at some stage.

You know what? It's, I'm going to say this idea and then someday that my listeners are just going to decide to shut me off or whatever. But to me, what they're doing is exactly what you're talking about. The screws in, the screws in, the screws in, the screws out. Now, every once in a while you have these big moments or opportunities where it's really going to dictate where the next coming days or years go. One of them here is sitting in Alberta very, very shortly. May we got an election, right? If the main opposition is the NDP, and if they get in, I mean, I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to realize where the next four years are going to go. It's not going to be good.

No, I'm not trying. I'm just, I mean, you don't have to look that back far to when the NDP was not only the leader of Alberta, but there's a ton of people that remember the time where they were the leader of Saskatchewan for a very long time. Yeah. And they don't, it's not like they were happy days. I mean, they weren't dragging people out of their homes bad days, but you know, you get the point. So we got a huge opportunity here come May where maybe, yeah, yeah. This is the last kick at the can. Because if that happens and Alberta elects an NDP government, it's over.

If you can't elect a pro-Alberta, Alberta first, conservative, you know, we're staying Canadian kind of government in this day and age, in this environment, in this climate, and with this situation, if you can't do it in a, This is as big of an empty net as you're going to get. You're never going to have an easier time getting that kind of government elected than right now. If you can't do it now, you're not going to do it in five years. You can't do it now. It's only going to get worse. You know, the feds aren't going to just let them do this. They're going to interfere and they're going to make sure somebody, if Daniel Smith is who she says she is and she's legitimate.

They're not going to allow this. You know, again, if I'm Ottawa, if this is my country and I've got what seems to be like a rogue state, you know, unrest is rising. You've got a, you know, kind of a populist anti-me, you know, governor, premier taking over, I'm going to want to put a stop to that, or I'm going to look for ways to suppress this or contain the situation or mitigate it in some way. They're not going to ignore this. So they're going to, look, you saw with the referendum in Quebec in the 90s, the government didn't just sit on his hands and let that play out. They interfered heavily and I think probably swung

that, you know, rigged, you know, in a way. Like, they were busing people over in the thousands to vote 10 times, you know. So, so this is, you know, this is, a listener told me this. Absolutely, I agree with everything you just said. I think we we'd all be naive to think that powers it be that see what's forming in Alberta go, well, we don't need this. You know, we don't need a, we don't need that. So if you're listening to this and you're sitting in Alberta, one, you go vote. And two, if you get to the point, you know, if you ever worried about, you know, like the

difference of, or not the difference, but like if you're worried about them stuff and ballots and things like that, the one thing in Canada, what, we can do is we only have four million. And I know four million sounds like a lot, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not. And if ever, if you got a majority of people to go vote, they can't go stuff it with an extra, you know, 10 million votes because there's literally not that many people there. Yeah. It's, it's not, it's not to the point where you can, you know, oh, they rig the election.

You can't just rig it. There's not, there's no rig the election button. You can put your thumb on the scale, but I mean, it's got to be more than the other side of the scale. You can only get away with so much. and if it's enough to like shift it to the 2% or the 1% that you need to win, which may have been what happened in Quebec, then they'll do that.

But if it's an overwhelming amount of people, I mean, what are you going to do? That's what happened in the first time Trump was elected. Like they didn't expect that many people to come out. And it was a landslide. It was way more than they could have dealt with. There's also the scrutiny areas option.

And a lot of people can, you go out and just, you volunteer. I'm just going to sit here and watch this happen to make sure nobody's screwing around. If they were serious about it, if Alberta was really, really, really serious, you would have a whole core of volunteers, thousands of people. This is your job on election days just to stand there and make sure there's no problems.

And go out and inform your friends, your neighborhood, your community. If you really went for it, you could pull it off, but it's a lot of work. Well, here's the thing, though. Anything we do is a lot of work. Sitting on your ass and going, well, it's all over is going to be a lot of work someday. You know, and so the reason I keep bringing up the Alberta election is I gave my listeners and myself a little reprieve. We went hard in the paint for a long time when the UCP was having their nomination. Well, it's coming all back again.

If you want a world where some politicians actually say some things that actually makes some damn sense, well, you better get active and you better start moving. And wherever you're sitting in this beautiful province, I suggest you do that sooner and later because I do agree with a lot of what you're saying. But I'm an eternal optimist in that I think, you know, one of the beautiful things that came out of these dark days and believe me, they were dark. I think we can all agree with that and are they dark as the storm close? clouds still swirling and everything else.

Yeah, but it's brought me in, but it's brought me into, uh, the realm of a whole bunch of different people that, uh, I've been very fortunate to meet and everything else. And they're, they're not sitting back, you know, like, they're like, well, we got to, we got to start doing something. Being an eternal optimist is the right, that is the correct attitude. That doesn't, sorry. Like I'm, I had to, I kind of did both. I was used to just be very cynical.

and would only follow, you know, but you combat that with that kind of attitude because even if, if you're in a situation where it's like, if you try and work as hard as you can, I mean, crawl by your fingernails and the skinny your teeth, you have a 2% chance to survive. The alternative is do nothing and die. Zero percent chance to survive. Obviously, those are your choices. Then you're going to go as hard as you can for that 2% and pray to God that you pull it off. Because otherwise you have no, what else do you have?

So that's what the optimist thing is. Like, you need to believe that you, that you're going. going to win to have any chance that you will. You have to believe that you will win or you won't go as, you know, that's what keeps you going. Like, that's why I keep going. People are like, how do you put up with all this? Because I know, I know that I'll win.

I know that I'll come out on top. Otherwise, you'll give up. You'll stop at some stage. You go, ah, there's no point. You have to believe that. And then if you believe it, then you have a chance. If you don't believe it, you have no chance. So, you know, you have to do that.

You got to, I'm going to rewind the clock a little bit here. since we talked, and I kind of frame this at the start, you have been, well, attacked, like, nonstop. Like, you know, like, my publicist, who, you know, works for free, volunteered to help me, collected, I was in the news on an average of twice a week for two years on average. And none of them good. that's what she she collected collated all these stories about me and all i think 90 some she did there's like 94% of them resourced to the canadian anti-hate network so they've been running a spear campaign against me for two years and obviously it wasn't every two weeks but you know when it works out how many times for how many weeks for how many on average twice a week for two years so that's how

many that's how many times they've dragged me through the through the calls and the mud on on on this and the fact that i'm still here and my support hasn't dropped at all it's increased it's a slow steady, you know, increase. There's been bumps and stuff in here in the road, but all the numbers and everything is still going the way it's going, so it's not working. Imagine where, you know, where we'd be if this wasn't happening. If there wasn't the, you know, sustained, you know, attack campaign against me, I don't know, but they're not winning, so. Well, they continue to, well, I don't know how many people say this. Like now when you read anything, it doesn't matter if it's on Jeremy or if it's on, you know, the guys from Coots or

it's the, the people from the convoy or it's. It's anything. You read it. And your first thought is if they're like hammering somebody is like, mm. Yeah. Right? Mm.

I don't know. Well, it's become the boy that cried wolf. Basically. You know, you can't, you can't lie so much. And that's, I'm glad you brought said that because it reminded me of something I wanted to mention earlier that it's like a weapon.

Like these lies and these kind of tactics is a weapon that you can use. But if you use it too much, the, the enemy that you're using it on gets wise to it. You know, it's like if you're in a fight and you just keep throwing right hooks all the time. And they're like, I know it's coming now and you're going to anticipate it. And you're going to be used to it. It's not going to have any effect. It's the secret weapons that caused the kill shots. It's stuff that you don't see coming that they very rarely

use. It only happens once and like this kind of thing. People are getting, getting wise to it. And with the politicians and stuff, you know, with the Daniel Smith's and you were saying, like, we just, we just need people to tell the truth. We're at that stage now. If you just say common sense, this is just what's true. This is just what people want to do. that's enough to get you to win. Well, anyway. Well,

let's talk about jail. Just for, I mean, just like, you mentioned that that would ruin most people, et cetera, et cetera. Not to mention what it does to your mental health.

Well, that's what, I watched you when you were, you know, I think a lot of people circled a date when you were on testimony. When you're, you know,

in my brain, I don't know why. I thought you'd be in Ottawa. I don't know why. thought that. But in with video, I was like, what? Like, like, like, what? Like, are they worried about him like doing what? Anyways, that was very confusing to me. Obviously, that was something that they, they thought would probably be like, yeah, we'll make sure that he's not in person. But anyways, when I watched you there, my first thought was, I wonder how he's

doing mentally. You know, I saw in one of your substack articles all the mail that was coming I assume that had to have helped. But being in jail, how many days was it, Jeremy, that you spent in jail? It was like 69, I think, 68, 69, something like that. A little over two months. A little over two months. That stretch. I think I did four before, four days, and then this one was 69, yeah.

Did you know what was going to be 69? Or was it like, we have no idea? Again, I operate pretty much on instinct, almost entirely now. Once I figured out what that is, I think we might have talked about that. before like there's different like there's fear and then there's like you know catastrophizing and then there's instinct as its own animal and once you identify what that feeling is when it when it shows up you're like you can when you kind of zero in on this um you can you know become very powerful you know if you've got good instincts and i when they came to get me i woke up in the morning um and you know

morgan's sitting there and she has this card she's like police are looking for you i was like okay dokey so i'm like what's up now what do you want now and they said yeah we got a warrant for your rest. And I said, okay, come get me then. I'll be here. Can I get a shower? Like, yeah, we'll be there in half an hour. I was like, sure, all right. I'll see you in the driveway. So I went out and, you know, they show up and grab me. And I knew that I was like, this is, this one's not going to be, I'm not going to be home tonight. This is going to be a little bit. I knew it was going to be a while. I didn't know if it was going to be six months or a year or a couple. It was only a couple of months, fortunately, but I knew that this was, this was going to be an

an attempt to like, they're trying to lock me up for legit this time. This isn't going to be, you know, an in and out kind of thing. And they tried last time when, you know, when Morgan and I were arrested for protesting. A dozen other people were there over a dozen other people were there. The police were in full, watched the whole thing. No one else got arrested, just me and just her. That was a few days. But they wanted, they were going to let us out, but they wanted extreme, they wanted us

separated. They wanted us to have no contact with each other. They wanted her to go live in New Brunswick and me to live in Nova Scotia. They wanted me, both of us banned from the internet, no devices, no the access to the internet. Like just crazy, on house arrest, ankle bracelets, all of this stuff for protesting. Fortunately, none of that is, there's no legal precedent for any of that. We had a good lawyer and it was like, they have charter rights. You can't just do this to them for no reason.

So we got us out of that. This time, and it was like, you don't, now they're going to get me this time. Because, you know, I had a feeling it had something to do with the Saskatchewan stuff, which was leaked into the media by, by, We don't know. The first I heard of this, which is, you know, so when I was arrested and taken to Saskatchewan, when I was made aware that these charges existed was August 29th, I believe, August 30th, they were filed in July. They put out, or they were earlier in that.

They put a warrant out for me in July. I was not aware of this at all. No one had said anything to me. No one called me. No one alerted me to any of this. The first hint I have that there's even a problem is that it comes out in iPolitics.ca from Stephen Mahar, quoting Mubin Sheikh about, This is happening and there's a warrant out for his arrest and blah.

How do these people know about this before me? You know, it's very odd. And yeah, they came and, you know, pick me up and drag me away. You know, they think they, you think the, the warrant came across the guy's desk in Halifax. I think he said around the 15th or 20th, something like, a few days before the hurricane. And then they just got around to it when they got around to it. But yeah, can't remember what the question was. I just started rambling.

Well, you know, you talk. about going into jail and you're like yeah I don't know if I'm going to be home tonight for well you know you're not going to be home for tonight I just had a feeling it yeah I was like I'm gonna be is there a point is there a point though you know like it's it's probably not easy in hindsight but you know now sitting there you can like while you're in there are you going you know do you just come to terms with it like have you already come to terms of it I guess I don't know I'm sitting there going like I don't know father your kids everything I'm

sitting here going like man six 69 days. Like, yeah, it's a while. That's a long time. Yeah. Not knowing when you're getting known. Without, and I have no criminal record. I was denied bail, you know, elite, like I think, I don't even think that's, there's no precedent for that either.

They, uh, again, great lawyer, you know, they said to justify keep to detaining someone, denying them bail, the, the number one thing they look at is your, is your history, your previous criminal history to determine whether or not you're likely to reoffend. If you're likely to reoffend, they deny you bail. you can't be likely to reoffend if you've never offended at all. You have no criminal record. There's no proved, like you've had no offenses. So how can you be likely to reoffend when you've, the only offenses you've, so, they're allegations. So they shouldn't even be able to do that.

And it's very, very rare. If I had $1,000 for every time somebody said, I've never seen this before. This is highly unusual. This doesn't normally happen and so on. I'd be able to pay my fees off entirely. I keep getting lost. What was the question again? Well, just once again, you know, like 68, 69 days.

Oh, right, right, right. So, so it's, it's, I got, I'm kind of uniquely, well, I may not need uniquely, but I've had, I've been through some, some pretty tough things already, fortunately, you know, mentally tough too. Not like, oh, man, it's hard work out there. Yeah, it is hard work on the oil rigs and doing that kind of stuff. It's not that mentally tough. It's not like, you know, you go out one day, a third of your platoon gets killed, and then you go right back out at the same place the next day. That's hard. That's hard to do.

um, you know, burying your friends when you're 20 years old and you're 21 years. I knew more people, uh, more people that were close to me have died, you know, in the, it just through my 20s than,

then most people have happened to them in their entire lives. And oftentimes it's because they're old. They got cancer, you know, the car accident here and there, but this is, it's like your friends are being murdered literally. Like they were alive and healthy and then they're gone.

And it's like, and there's so many of that. So, and then the time I spent in the special forces and everything, like just literally being tortured and, you know, trying to try to physically and mentally break you. That was the whole,

thing. So I'd been, I'd been training to be something that doesn't get mentally broken and give up, you know, for a long time. And I've, you know, built a, you know, my mind is, is in a place where that's, it seems to be difficult to do. I don't know if it hasn't happened yet. I, I guess I haven't lost my mind yet, but I, you know, and it was a lot like the army. I had a recruiter who said, you know, you don't want to join the infantry kid. You want to be a pilot or you want to be a mechanic because then you'll have real life skills you can transition into that are going to give you a great, you know, lucrative career as a civilian, blah, blah, blah. You don't want to join the infantry. It's only good practice for two things, being homeless and going to jail, which

turns out to be, to be true. There's some similarities there. I'm not, it's not, it's not, it's not alien to me to be, you know, kind of locked in a room with a bunch of other guys who are kind of mean and, you know, hard-headed and, you know, potentially criminals, you know, gangsters, murderers and all kinds of stuff. That's not super foreign to me. It's similar in that way. You know, It's very strict, regimented, you know, this can't do this, can't do that. Like, there's a lot of rules. There's a lot of, you know. So this wasn't super, you know, wild to me.

And, you know, I can handle myself. I'm not afraid of, you know, physical confrontations and stuff like that. So, like, this is, I've done a lot of this stuff already. To go into that environment, though, if you're like a bank manager, you're like a bank teller and you get caught, a DUI or something like that, like that happens to just. And then you get put in a place like that, who, you know, with no experience, good luck, you're not going to become an. you're gonna be you're gonna have a hard time well I think of I think of Shawshank Redemption day one you know and all the new the fresh meter going in yeah it'd be overwhelming yeah yeah I got used to it pretty quick but yeah when you talk when you

talk about mental mental toughness or or you know you know back in in the army they were trying to break your mind so to speak in training and different things like that I this is this is the idea of you know when I look at the long game of what's going on. If you're sitting across Canada listening to this and you're like, well, what can we do? I have no idea. These ideas, like, these ideas that, that are confronting us, even if they don't work tomorrow, they're going to try them again the day after or the year after or the year after that. And it's going to, like, this is going to go, you know, oh, no, no. I, I, on this side, Jeremy, and this is where I laugh. I'm like, I'm sure listeners are tired of me

talking about it, but I just, the more I think about it, the more I talk about it, the more importance I see in it. And what got me through, through COVID was a, was a book club. Five, five guys, we talked openly. And, you know, some people are going to think, like, I was leaning on somebody's shoulder or crying. That wasn't well, it was. It was like, it was like, imagine. That's where you read Shawshank Redemption. That's right. It's like, it's like, it's like, imagine you had a wooden sword and you went in and tried hacking everybody to bits, but it's the wooden swords, everybody got bruised up and walked out and you kind of get out of there and you kind of felt good and sometimes you take more of the wax and you're mentally strengthening

yourself because what's going to confront all of our communities is what it already has and we'll continue to like this ain't going anywhere so if you're sitting across this country going man we might be doomed it's like I go back to my positive mind frame and I go we're only as doomed as we want to be and that means if you're sitting there and you want to get better, I say start a book club tomorrow. And a book club doesn't mean you go read a book every day. A book club means you get in a room and you start arguing some things out and trying to figure out what you actually believe

so you can actually confront things when they come to your community. Because Jeremy McKenzie ain't running across the country and Sean Newman ain't running across the country. We don't have time or, you know, honestly, the energy to hit every place that has had, it's on the citizens. The government thinks I am. They think I'm running across a country building. a network of militias that are so powerful.

They threaten to overthrow the entire North American paradigm, not just Ottawa, but Washington. I'm going to take the whole thing, apparently. It's very, we need a, we need martial law to prevent me and you talked about this last time, right? Like, by them doing that, they have actually had the opposite consequence happen.

More people know what Diaglon is now and how much of a joke they've made it. It's the Streisand effect. Right, right. And that's why I'm a terrorist, apparently, because I was, you know, encouraging people to do exactly that. You're not going to, if you go into the future like this on their own, you're probably screwed. You know, your odds of, like there's never 100% certainty in anything,

but it's not good. You know, you have no friends, no backup, no community, no, and you're just hoping to just take on the future on luck and hoping that, you know, there's always going to be eggs at the grocery store and the ATMs are always going to work and everyone's always, no one's ever going to come after you, nothing's ever going to happen. The government's always going to leave you alone. And it's just not, this is not reality. it's very unlikely that you'll be able to continue like you may be away with that for a while even if you could get away with that then you've got to worry about the mental side of it human beings are social creatures yes we all know the stories we've all seen it where they locked us all down and people

started losing their bloody minds because they were just we're not built that way yeah it's meant to instill fear and when people are afraid they're more malleable and easily you know they'll do they'll do things they normally otherwise wouldn't none of the stuff that was implied after 9-11 with would have put up with if it wasn't for 9-11 and the constant reminders that we're a terror alert orange everyone be afraid all the time you could die on the way to the on the way to work today so we have to scan your naked body at the airport and listen to your phone calls no one would have put up with that before but this time they did so a peer community is very important you need friends you need you need this otherwise you will become very mentally you know unwell and i've incur and i saw a lot of

that the depression and so on i had we had a get together when you weren't allowed to it was you know We never got charged, I guess, but they didn't know where we were in Saskatchewan. They're both 30 or 40, maybe 50 on a high end of people showed up from all over the country, from BC, from Ontario, just to show up in it. Because I was like, this is where we're going to be. Not, we didn't just wasn't an open invite to the world, but people that were kind of in the, in the audience podcast community for a while and we're reasonably sure to be, you know, they all came out. And I, everyone was just laughing and not a single problem. Complete total strangers from all over the country. Never met each other in real life.

and the, just the joy on their faces to be in what felt like a family, a tribe, a community, like everyone here understands me, like everyone got, it was amazing. And I thought, this needs more of this. This is what the problem is. This is what's missing. People need to go out and find your friends, find your community and, you know, group up and at least support each other this way, mentally, spiritually, emotionally. You're going to be a lot healthier.

You're going to be, you know, whatever happens, you have other people you can, you know, lean on and they can lean on you. and in that way, it's like the, you know, the Genghis Khan metaphor where he gives the arrow, or his uncle or something, he gives him an arrow on him, snaps it in half, and he gives him a bundle of arrows, and you can't, couldn't break it because together they're, they're so much stronger than they would be on the road. So I said, yeah, go find your friends and do this. And the government was like, oh, he's building a militia.

That's what this is. These are terror cells and all this kind of stuff, because they don't want people going out and being, you know, I'm going to take care of myself. Rather than go down to the government office and find out what the government tells me to do, I'm just going to worry, I'll deal with it myself. Me and my friends will deal with this. They don't want that. I would agree.

The only thing I would add in is, you know, when I think a community, when you talk about the bundle of arrows, right? My brain goes, we need 100 people all. And from my experience, it's like five. Five can be a tight little unit. I'm not saying you don't branch out to a larger community where, you know, you go eggs and food and different things like that. But around you mentally to help make sure that you're in a good place and talking about things and getting things out and arguing and all these different things, you know, a buddy of mine from St. Louis says four.

Another says six. I say whatever makes you can work with, but there's only so many people you can trust to be like, I'm going to say some crap. And like, I just need to, I need to work. We need to talk about these things. I need to articulate my thoughts. I need to, we need to move forward. Yeah, you need to have that. confronting us are so like clown world, you know, but yet it's got masses behind it,

or at least they make it seem like it has masses behind it. And also, you need the outside input of other people, too, to let you know if you're going off the deep end or, you know, or take care of each other. Because if you live in the echo chamber of your own head, you're going to go crazy and you're going to start thinking, like, that's where you see all these like schizo people on the internet thinking talking crazy nonsense because they don't, they're isolated, they live on their own, they just sit there on Facebook all day and think, like, It's not good. You've got to get out and do real life things outside in the world with actual people to be a healthy, functional, effective human being.

Otherwise, you're just not. You're going to sit at home and go crazy. Was the Scotia Bank thing a shock to you? I assume it was, but I mean like the phone call like that everybody's, you know, I think everybody's watched and been like this is like Canadians, like you can, this would have been my brain five years ago, maybe four years ago, maybe three years ago. I don't know how long. long ago, but not that long ago. It would have been like, yeah, but Jeremy's the most extreme guy. And I mean, it'll never come. And it's like, that's a dangerous thought. Like that there is a dangerous thought. That's probably what they want you to make out of the story is that it's just, it's just one citizen.

It's not that big deal. Exactly. It's the same, you know, you mentioned, we'll talk a little bit about that earlier where you didn't say the guy's name, but Yuri Besmanov describes this. You know, it's, as long as it doesn't happen to you, you know, people will look, look away. And he says, you know, they won't, they won't believe it's happening until it happens to them, until it comes and affects them directly.

You know, not until the boot comes and breaks his balls. Only then will he believe. And then it's too late. And it's not that, you know, I didn't ask. I wasn't asking, I wasn't trying to get money or, I just wanted to people to know that this is, this is what's happening because I'm not the first person this has happened to. I'm not going to be the last person.

I'm probably the first person it's happened to in Canada anyway that actually has a platform that can, you know, put it out there. When it happens to, you know, John and Jane Citizen for, oh, you donated $100 to the convoys, so we terminated your bank account and ruined your life. Who are you, who are you going to put a video on Facebook so your cousin puts a sad emoji? Like, oh, that sucks, bro. Like, that's, that's it.

So for all of them, for everybody, like, this is what's happening. People need to be aware of this because this is what the government's doing. And it's not going to stop with me. Or the bags, not the government. Sure, sure they're not. They're sure there's no interest there to, there's no incentive to please the government, right? So, you know, this is this is something that's happening and they need to be aware of it. So I recorded it and I put it out there.

It wasn't a shock. I thought it would happen much sooner after Ottawa and they were freezing the accounts and doing all that stuff. You know, me and the other guys, we took whatever cash we had, if we had any, and took it out of the bank because I was sure they were going to do that. They left it open. I think probably to see who's paying me, who I'm paying, where my money's going, what I'm spending it on. If I'm getting deposits from Hamas or the Russians or something, I don't know what they're doing. but I knew it was going to happen someday, so it wasn't a shock. I pretty much, again, the instinct kicked in.

It was like, here goes your bank account. As soon as I heard his voice, as soon as it said, Scotia Bank, I picked it up. Hi, this is Graham from the bank. Do you have a few minutes? I need to talk. I was like, they're shutting her down. First of all, it's a white guy calling from the bank. It's not some guy in Bangladesh or Pakistan trying to sell me a credit card.

So it must be serious. I went downstairs and turned it on. I was like, okay, go ahead, buddy. And then he said what he said. And that's the rest of the call is out there. wasn't surprised. And I've, you know, tried to mitigate that and take steps to, you know, insulate myself from this eventuality as much as I can.

I'm still looking for, I have some options I'm playing with and just, I'm not, you know, in a huge rush. I still have 26 days or something like that to, to sort it out, you know, but, yeah, again, it would be, it'll be ruinous and terrible to be, if you're not anticipating it, if it comes out of the blue, that wouldn't be, wouldn't be good because it's a lot, it's a lot to deal with. and moving all your accounts over, your loans, and, you know, what if you're banned from all of them? It seems to be that I can't even, I can't go to a credit union.

I can't get any, any financial institution in Canada actually to help me out here. So I'm actually looking at other countries and stuff right now. I'm searching out, it was a year ago today that I talked to you for the first time. Oh, really? A year ago and a day. It was January 26th. Right before. 7th.

Yeah. That's funny. Right before I was leaving that day to go to the convoy. We were going to catch you. Yeah, I remember that. This has been the longest year of my life, I'm sure. I think for a lot of people, I mean, certainly nobody has what you've went through. I shouldn't say that.

There's a lot of people that have had a lot of things go down. I shouldn't say that actually lightly like that. And I should be a little bit more cognizant of there's been a lot of people be put through a lot of different shit in the last year. I just get to be, as far as being a punching bag nationally for the, you know, that probably, I probably have that cornered. I may own that one. Yeah, I would agree. Um, people have been asking lots, you know, like is there, you know, like, convoy 2.0, uh, etc, etc. What are people going to do on, um, in these days, you know, of the convoy a year later to whatever the word is? And I don't have the word, uh, you know, because, you know, celebrate, I don't know. Is that the word? Commemorate? Commemorate?

Is that the word? I don't know. For me, I have my last convoy update where I went around and interviewed people on the street. I never released it. I don't know why. But it's sitting there and I'm going to release that. And that's going to be what I'm going to do because I haven't listened to it since then. And I know there is some like heavy stuff in there.

and I plan on releasing that because I want people, I want to hear it, you know, like what the heck is on there? First, what is Jeremy doing, if anything, in regards to that? Is there a special show or are you just, you know, is there anything? Because of my, I'm not allowed to do much. I can't even go outside after certain hours. I can't even be outdoors, let alone I'm not allowed to leave the province. I'm denied a passport indefinitely.

I can't leave the country. I can't do much of anything. Um, I don't, so the first, you can't recreate this. It was like, it was like a hit song or like the first, you know, moments when you meet your wife or something. Like it's the first matrix. It's not, right. It's just, it's just, wow, it just came together on its own and, and became a wonderful thing. You can't just create, you can't produce this in a factory.

You can't get everybody. Well, just do it again. That's not how this works. It's not how life works. So many things had to come together for that to happen. and it was like a perfect storm of variables, of frustrations, and it just, it all happened, you know, kind of on its own. I mean, you had, you know, credit to, you know, Chris Barber and Tamara Leach,

I think that originally started, you know, gathering this up. But the appetite was there, and it had something that had never been done before. And the reason I found it was because this wasn't just any protest. Like, they always, like, I don't like to go to protest. I find them to be, it's like a masturbation exercise in the sense that people get their frustrations out and they feel like they've done something when they've really just yelled at an empty building.

Like it does, it practically, it does nothing. They don't care if you're protesting at all. They don't give a shit what you do. They don't care if you live or die. They only care if you're paying your taxes and do what you're supposed to.

That's it. So to go there and do this, it's not, like I understand the sentiment and I appreciate the people they're trying to help and trying to do something. I'm just, like,

it's not effective. It's not going to do anything. This, however, like, we're going to lock down the city with, like physically, the streets will be clogged, No one can move.

Nothing can happen. They will be forced to address this situation. Okay, now we're talking about something different. Now you're talking about a showdown. And with the workers, the blue-collar workers of the country, this is interesting. This was clearly going to be a big deal. You know, and never before been done. Who knows what's going to happen?

And there was a sense at the time, like a lot of the mandates, everything's been lifted since. There's a sort of an eye of the hurricane feeling right now where people are kind of pretending, like we're just going to go back to it like they're just you know they want to be left alone but at that time it was it was dark it was like people are like we're going to be in camp soon like they're talking about it openly the prime minister in the opposition everyone's like oh well should we tolerate these people what should we do what should we do with them where should we put them what should be done and this is you know it was to the point where it's like if we don't do something now we mean we might we might as well just pack it in. We might as well just, you know,

put ourselves in the camp at this point. So that's, that kind of, it was like a pot boiling over. I like to use that metaphor a lot. When it's just, it just became too much and it just happened. So you can't, you know, really recreate that. It was, it was a one, it was a once in a lifetime thing and it was the perfect, it was perfect. I've, I'd said for years before that, that if you believe we're being run by tyrants, which I do, that just because they're not, you know, sending out death squads and put, like, not to the, the extent that they could, but they are of that mentality. They are people that do not

respect other people's wishes or way of life or will to let, like they say they're about tolerance and diversity and all that. They're not. They're about their side getting what they want at your expense and they'll do anything to crush you if you get in the way. That's not democracy. That's not a free society. That's

we have a dictatorship from the top down and these people are just telling us how it's going to be instead of asking us or, you know, having a referendum on anything. Who was asked asked about lockdowns, masks, forced vaccinations, mandates, kicking people out of school, closing your business, you know, mass migration, wars in Ukraine. None of this was ever voted on or talked about, ever. And then we're just going

to do this. So, you know, I keep rambling and losing where I was, what was the question? It's early. I don't normally do it this early. You were, you were on a good rant. Well, I mean, what we were at, what I was asking was, you know, it's been a year since the convoy, right? Right. And for me, I know exactly what I'm going to try and do. I agree with you. Convoy 2.0, I'm like, I, the thing that the convoy did, and if I remember correctly from a couple different people telling me, it wasn't the first time I tried it. You remember the yellow jackets and all that? Yellow vests, yeah. The yellow vest, not yellow jackets.

They had done something similar, and they talked about it. But this, this was like when it started. It's like Woodstock. Because like I talk about this all the time. Had Chris Barber on, right? About a week before they left. And he's telling me it. And I hadn't heard anything about it.

Somebody email me and said, you should get this guy on. And I literally texted Chris Barber, if you can imagine, off a phone number on a flyer and said, hey, would you mind coming on to talk about this? I have no idea what you're doing. And he pulls over on the side of the road in the United States while he's working. He goes, yeah, you know, like I'm, he goes, I'm vaccinated, and I'm just, I'm just fed up with everything they're trying to do. My friends are being railroaded, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we're just going to drive to Ottawa, and we're going to make it stop.

And I laughed, and I said, well, and my big skepticism was, where's the money going? And I know there's been a whole bunch of stuff done since that and everywhere and blah, blah, blah. And at the time, he just said, oh, the money we don't use, we're going to give to vets. And I'm like, man, all right. I'm in. And since that point of that interview, which was like four or five days before they left, and certainly about seven days before Lloyd left. Little over a year ago now.

Things went from like, oh, yeah, that's kind of interesting to like everybody's going and everybody gets it. And within like three, it just caught this energy that you could almost cut with a knife. It was that clear. And if people want to go back, go back and listen to the first time me and Jeremy talked. I'm almost giddy you know and we're getting

we gotta cut this thing short I'm getting on the road you know yeah and that to try and recreate it the only thing that will recreate that is the amount of pressure that gets put on a population

all over again yeah like you said it's like you said it's like trying to redo the matrix again like you can't do it like you're just gonna it's gonna be a way

worse version of the thing you already did like you just have you have you seen the newest matrix oh unfortunately So the second and third one is like whatever. But to make it really sick, if you had the first matrix and how much of a classic that is to the fourth one. Oh, yeah.

That's what you try. It's impossible. Yeah. It doesn't mean people shouldn't get together and enjoy the days. I don't mean that. It's just to recreate what happened is almost impossible. It was a victory. Like we, we came away.

That was a fair sized confrontation, you know, the people versus versus the global. state and we won that one in my opinion that but that's just a that's just one you know step on the road like this is going to be a long time guys it's going to be a long time so if you think it's over because what that did was before ottawa there was we're all isolated we're all stay home stay safe on the computer and i'm you know we're encouraging people to get out and do things and this kind of stuff but there was no for sure nobody knew really how many of us there were like we don't really know and neither did they because you obviously the conservators Party had no interest in supporting any of these people for years. There was no backup coming from

them at all. And when they saw it, I mean, if you've got 50,000, 100,000 people in Ottawa that showed up, for every one person that showed up, there was 10 that wanted to be there, but couldn't because of work or kids or whatever. So when you do the math and you start putting this together and the, you know, the funding that came in, it would have been the best funded political party in the country by far if the truckers had started a political party, but those donations. So this is a serious problem. And then this conservative party swoops in and goes, oh, look, all these votes we should be, you know, catering to and pretend to support these people at the last minute. But they didn't know. And now, now we know. Now we know that there is a powerful faction in this country of at least probably

20, 25% of people that are very, very upset and about what's going on and motivated to do something about it. We didn't know that before. Now we do. We didn't know each other before. Now we do. There's this network of all these people now of all these, you know, whatever you want to call them, influences, freedom fighters, rebels, dissident, whatever. They were all sprinkled over the country. They all gathered in one one spot everybody you know i i know everybody pretty much now and you know everybody's uh if i don't know them i know someone who does and it's very very quickly we can you know organize and get together and and figure something out if it came to that stage so it it's we're further down the road now and that Ottawa has come and gone it's fulfilled its purpose but most importantly as i went off on

a rambling rant and totally lost the point of what i was saying earlier force a tyrant to act like one is what i've been saying for two years they think you know you think this is what they are make Make them prove it to you. Don't go out and, you know, and all you have to do is resist them. And by doing so, they'll either respect your, you know, autonomy. They'll respect your sovereignty as an individual, as a person, as a community and be like, well, that's not, you know, you disagree with us. You don't want them.

That's fine. Whatever. We wish you the best and we think you're wrong. You know, we wish you'd do this. But, you know, good luck with everything. That's not what happens. You know, they literally beat you with batons, crush you with horses and guns and all that kind of stuff. And the entire country sees this happen.

that's not us losing, that's them losing. Like that, that legitimized us and the things we've been saying in the minds of millions of people. So they've taken the mask off. So we've forced them to do this with nonviolent, you know, peaceful resistance and just saying no. Like, leave the city. No. Stop protesting. No.

And they got so exasperated that they had to go to the lengths that they did with this nonsense in Coots and across the country and calling everybody, you know, terrorists and the Nazi flags. And it was just ridiculous. I mean, it was absolutely ridiculous. you know, childish levels of like almost unbelievable levels of gaslighting in craziness. And then culminating with, well, I guess we'll use martial law and just beat everyone right into a pulp in the street. Old women, tiny, 90-pound girls are kicking Mani-Leel in the face and punching Kristen Nagel in the chat, you know, like, and everyone saw this.

That's a, that's a win for us. And it's not, we didn't make them do that. They were always like that. And we just proved, we just proved to everyone who they really are. And the police had no problem to the RCMP, certainly no problem doing it. In fact, they celebrated it. I put their group chat messages that got leaked to me by one of their own officers out on the internet, be like, you think these guys have your back?

They don't. They're clinking drinks in the Chateau-Loreire right now celebrating how much fun it was to step on people with horses. So again, we didn't have to, all you had to do is stand there and say no, and they just do the work for you. And we just keep that up eventually, like you said, the harder they squeeze. the worst it gets, the more they abuse people, the more enemies they create. And we just have to just keep doing what you're doing.

This is going to come ahead. Look at the video of Trudeau and Hamilton. Like, I mean, and he goes, oh, it's just. Speaking of Monique, Leal, she was there as well, screaming in his face. And he laughed at her. This woman had her life destroyed. Her kids were separated from her for, like, years in Australia. And they made her stay in like a COVID hotel for weeks.

And, you know, just, it's a horrifying story. Like, this is, you know, I'm very desensitized, so I have to remind myself to, like, empathize. Like, it's, okay, yeah, that kind of sucks. But she's a civilian woman, mom. Like, this is a lot to deal with. This is a lot, this is a lot. You know, you take your separation, all this kind of stuff. And, you know, she was having a hard time over a couple of years.

I remember I played one of her videos on my podcast before I met her in Ottawa. I didn't know who she was from a hole in the ground. I just thought, this is this poor woman, you know, she's in tears and this is horrible. and she's there screaming at this guy. And you can hear it in her voice, like the pain. And she's like, you son of a bitch, you know. And he just turns and he laughs in her face and says, thank you for your support.

Like, not a care in the world. Like, they don't care. Like, you could be dying in the street. He'd just step right over you. They might as well put your finger, put his finger in your blood and go, mm, thank you. And just keep on walking. That's the kind of people we're dealing with.

And these kinds of things expose that every day. And anyone with a soul, that's a good person. They'll see that. Eventually, you have to come to terms with what this is. This is good people versus bad people. There's just bad people taking advantage of everyone else because they're self-interested

for their own interests, their careers, their ambitions, their bank accounts. They're not doing things the right way, which brings me back to earlier when I said, you could get away with politics before decades ago. There's some lying and there's some schemery and some nonsense going on, but there still has to be a fairly good basis foundation and morality and doing the right thing and right wrong.

You can't go all the way corrupt because then it implore. And that's what we've done. They've gone all the way now where it's like almost nothing they say is true anymore. Almost everything is corrupt. Oh, there's so many people. Our cabinet ministers are on the board of the World Economic Forum, for God's sakes. I mean, it's just runaway corruption now. In the 80s or 70s or something, people would be afraid to like, I'm not going to go to that.

Like, I could get, imagine what the press will do. People will eat me alive if I start doing. Now they're all doing it. So the antidote to this is just tell the truth. Because the contrast is so jarring that it upsets people. When I tell people about these things, they get so angry and worked up that they go crazy with emotions and demand that I be put in jail. Because it's such a departure from what they're used to, from the things that these people are saying on television. They're that far gone.

If I was doing this, you know, before it wouldn't have nearly the same kind of effect. So those two things together, you just keep. resisting them and telling the truth. And it just unravels all on its own. Once people lose the fear of what's going to happen to them if they say something, if they stand up, if they feel like I can handle whatever is going to happen, then none of this has any effect on them. Like, well, we'll take your job. I'll get a new job. People that are self-sufficient or they've, re-willed their life in such a way that they're insulated from the state where I don't care what they say about me or do, you know, it's not going to make any difference.

You know, I got companies that sponsor this podcast that will hire, you know, that have made out lickety split with people being removed from their jobs and holding these values. They just welcome them in. Come on. Come on. Come on over here. We'll gladly put you on this side because there was businesses that didn't go along with it either. And like fear, courage is contagious. You know, people don't know how to, in times of uncertainty, which is where we are and people are afraid.

If you see people panicking and freaking out and getting afraid, then they're going to. want to do that. They're looking for an example to follow. And if everyone's, all the examples are, everyone's running away and packing it in and shutting up and going away, then they're going to be encouraged to do the same thing because it's like, again, being in a war and a battle, if half the guys are running away, you're going to feel like, I think

maybe I should leave with them because this isn't going well. Versus the other side, everybody gets up and they're running forward, you're going to, you're going to want to go wherever the more of the moment of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So be a part of the solution and not part of the problem, you know, and I can't expect everybody to do that, but there's different people like,

Is Jeremy McKenzie saying something that I think is optimistic? Be a part of the solution. And the solution is finding... It's the reason we can't. Yeah. Look around your community. Find some people. Start interacting with them, talking with them and trying to make your little spot better because nobody in Canada, let alone Alberta can be everywhere in Alberta or everywhere in Canada, which means you have to rely on what is around you and there will be great people there. That is what we've learned. And this entire two years, almost three years, we have learned, we have learned now that there are people in every community that think and want to be exactly what we're talking about.

Yeah. I forgot what the hell I was going to say again. It doesn't matter. I'm having a weird one of these mornings. Well, that's all right. I'm glad I got, it's funny. You know, the rage comes on and he's used to talk him by himself and he never gets caught like this. I've managed to do it to him.

I don't know. Maybe it's the questioning. Maybe it's the host, I don't know. When I'm hosting my own, it's just me by myself. That's the kind of thing, you know, people get mad about stuff I say. It's because there's no back and forth. Like, it's just me talking to myself. And it's like, no one gets to interject and be like, ask a question, get me to clarify something.

That's another thing. Like, I can't believe you. It's like doing a stand-up show for a bunch of people that, and there's a screen, I have no idea what the reactions are. I don't know if they're laughing at, I have no idea. So it's, you know, it's a different, different thing. It's easier when you have somebody to go back and forth with. But, yeah, it's, it's one of those. Well, tell me this.

You know, your time in Ottawa, everybody's got a moment they remember, uh, that just sticks out crystal clear. Um, what was your moment that you like will always remember those days from? Well, you know, spent a time, you know, meeting, meeting Morgan was pretty cool. But, you know, to, uh, one of the reasons I went was, well, again, to, I'm going to be talking about this for sure. I'm following on the news. It's a huge deal.

I knew immediately it was going to be a huge deal. going to be a huge deal. I could just feel it. As soon as I saw the video of all the trucks on the highway, I'm like, this is, this is it. This is going to be the one. Apparently, I'm smarter than CIS and the RCP and all the government advisors who said, oh, they're going to be gone out of weekend. It won't be anything. I'm like, you're idiots, you're morons, you don't understand anything. You don't know what's

going on. So they're completely detached from reality. They can't tell the difference between, uh, between this and Al-Qaeda. They, they don't know. So that's, it's a problem. For the, for the for the listener, he just, he just, yeah, he just, brought up, Philip. Yeah. Yeah, so that, so that's, man, this happened again. What was I just saying?

I'm trying to get you to talk about what your favorite moment from the combo was, you know? It's early, I think. I just, I'm having a coffee. Anyway, so, so that. And, but the other reason I wanted to go, I, I'm having, I'm getting dementia. It's probably the mephic, it's all the concussions, you know, the fights in jail. I'm losing it. I'm going down.

It's like, don't make fun of me. I have brain damage, you know. So there was that. But also, I'd been musing with this idea, like, there's all these little networks and, you know, the terror network of little groups of, you know, podcast fans and audience members, but it's more than that. It's more like a family kind of a thing because I'm, I'm generally trying to help people and I want them to, you know, be okay and do better and survive and, you know, especially if they feel and believe in and identify the same things that I'm

saying. I mean, that's my team. I want them to win. I don't want them to die and kill themselves and disappear. So there's all these, and I was like, hey, I'm, let's go. If you're in the area, let's, we'll all meet up there. We'll have a great big family, you know, party and we'll watch the world burn, you know, what's, you know, and I'll get to meet a lot of these people. I have never met in real life and I've, that have been following and supporting me for years. And I felt like this could be, you know, so that was pretty cool. And we got like, again, 30, 40 people together. You know, nice little get together.

And we were there for the duration. A lot of, there was probably eight or nine of us that were there for the whole thing. And other people are coming in and out on weekends. And we had this little spot, this little goat farm that one of the guys who put out, he was his rental property. And no one was using these. He was like, you guys and just crash here. There's no furniture.

So we're sleeping on the floor like homeless people. flop house, which was hilarious. You know, we're having beers and have it and fairies making his memes and we're going in and out of town every day. And it was, it was, it was amazing. It was so incredible. So it's hard to narrow down one, one thing. And just to be there in your own tribe, your community, like this is Canada. This is my country.

All these people out here in the street, I'd never felt more home anywhere. And you're just high-fiving and hugging everybody. You see. It was incredible. There's no way. There's no, there's no words. But recently, there is words for this, apparently, because I wrote it on my substack, but I had someone ask, they're doing submissions and stuff

for a one year anniversary, like what was your day, your moment, your thing. And the war memorial was one that I felt like I'm in a unique position to comment on because, number one, I'm a veteran,

and number two, I was there. And that's, you know, it's funny, and tell this, I don't know why, and I hate to interject, but I just thought, what I'll do is I'll put a link to it

in the show notes. Because I, I didn't realize you were writing. I mean, everybody's moved to substanti. deck, right? Yeah. It's been... It's great. And you wonder, I don't know if Sean can write, you know, like, I lie, I, tongue and cheek on my own self, right? Like, it's like, I don't know. But I read your, I read that one on the, on the War Memorial. And that was like, top notch.

Like, I was like, wow, like, uh... Yeah, it seems I'm better at that than I am at talk. I don't know. It's because I have time to sit and think about what I'm saying and I can go backspace and rewrote word things and, you know, and rather than just blood-bl-bl-bl-bl-bl like I do now and just make the toy. horrible mistakes and, you know, rape people and whatever I'm doing, you know, like an idiot. But yeah, so I was in a position to do that. And, yeah, I've been doing it for a little while. I just kind of originally, just because sometimes I like to do things.

That's how I started, actually, was an online blog that I had when I was the raging humanist. And I thought that was a good idea. I don't know. The raging humanist? Yeah, I don't know. For, at the seven years ago, you know, I was like, seems like everybody was doing that. You had to have some kind of, you couldn't use your own name. No one did that in the internet at the time.

some kind of gimmick, right? So anyway, started as a blog that I was doing. I would just write about things. And I found it to be just an outlet, a creative outlet. Well, it's another way of, it's another form of therapy, right? Right. And I thought I would do this.

And because substack is like, you can sign up for it, mailing list, and it creates a function where I can just write something, click send in 2000, 5,000, however many people are on there, we'll get this right into their inbox. Like, I'm banned from here, I'm over here now, or I'm going to be in this city, or I'm going to do that. If I want to get out and get to people right to their phone,

that there's that option. So it's like, well, this is cool. And sometimes I just write things for something to do because I feel like it's, it's a different kind of, it's a different medium. Like I should write this out rather than make a video yelling about it or something. But the war memorial one was, was, it was, for years, I'd always had this image in my head of like, if anybody is going to create the, you know, not not to be the whole thing exclusively, just just leave it to them. They'll deal with it like the veteran community. But, but for like a crucial core of any kind of resistance to this. It has to be, it has to be them. It has to be us. Who else would it be? I mean, you sign up to protect the country. No one signed up like, we're here

to protect Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and, you know, general dynamics and make sure the shareholders make lots of money and the government gets what it wants and then we, you know, crush our enemies, but that's not, no 17-year-old kid joining the Canadian forces or the U.S. military or whatever has that in mind. They think I'm going to protect my family. and my friends and my community, and that's, that's what they're there. That's what I'm for. That's, that's, that's always been a part of the human condition, I guess. Thousands of years, there's part of your society, if you've got, however many it is,

there's a portion of them that are, they're the warriors. They're there to protect people, and that's what they're for. That's their function. Some people are naturally, you know, nurturers. They end up in, you know, health care, nursing, or, you know, they look after children, like, whatever it is, like, everyone's made to do kind of a certain different thing. or they're better suited for a particular life path, I guess I'd say, where otherwise they're a fish out of water and they don't belong.

Or they, you know, they're, this is what you're made for. Like there's so many guys I've met in the military. They're like, this is your, this is your, he's not going to be writing any books anytime soon. He's not going to be, you know, doing much of that. But if you need, if somebody's coming to hurt you and you need help, this is the guy you want to call, you know. So that's, that's why a lot of them do it. And if we're in a situation where there's, you know, small women in the street being trampled,

and beaten with horses and this kind of stuff. Who should rise to, to defend them and get in the way, stand in front of them and protect them. If it's not going to be the veterans of the nation that signed up to do that in the first place, who? The nurses union, the Uber drivers, the plumbing association, like who exactly should stand up and do that? Right. So if it's not us, it's no, if we don't care enough to do it, why should anyone? Who should bother?

And so I'd always hope that was the case, but, you know, cynically like, yeah, there's no one's going to care, you know? It's all over and blah, blah, blah. And it just, it's the best feeling in the world when, you know, when, you know, the guys show up to have your back. I can't, I get, you know, teary, I just thinking about it because I didn't know. And first, there was a couple guys at the war memorial. First couple of days there that showed up. And then it just started to become, we'll meet here every day at 11, if you guys want to. And then every day at 11 o'clock, and then there was 10 guys.

And there was 30 guys. And then there was, and it became like, which is now what Veterans for Freedom has, that was the genesis of it that happened, right? So to know that they're out there and the amount of supportive, they had thousands of members sign up in just a couple of weeks and there's more every day. Because it's depressing when you go through all of this. Like I said, the struggles with adapting to, you know, what was, what were the wars really for in all of this? Does anybody care anymore? Like, was this all a dream?

Like, was I, is this all a lie? Like, did these people not exist? Did I subscribe to an idea to a feeling of what, is it? all fake, you know? And it's not. These guys, I'd seen some guys there that I hadn't seen in 15 years. And it was like we, we just met yesterday. It was like that. Like one of the guys, he was my neighbor. And there was another, like guys from my platoon were there from all over the country. I hadn't seen other people. I had never met, but they were from other units, but we had been in the same places and lived the same kind of life. It was like we'd known each other a whole lives.

I mean, there's one, it's on video. There's a guy standing next to me. I'd never met in my life. We just started, we just hugged each other because we were just overcome with this like, you know, we ride again, you know. all the guys are back together and, you know, not on our watch kind of a feeling. And it was, you know, everyone was upset that the war memorial was fenced off. And they should have been because it was done for political optics. There was no, no one was defacing the monuments. No one was pissing on the tomb or anything like that.

If anybody did, it was an accident. Everything's covered in snow. I don't know what this is. Lots of people hadn't even been to Ottawa before and this kind of stuff. So they fenced it off to make it, you know, reinforce this idea that there's dangerous, vile, anti-Canadian people running around downtown when it was the exact opposite of what's true. But again, who is going to, everyone's like, I can't believe they do that. Well, who should do something about this?

It has to be us. It's our goddamn memorial. We're the living representation of those people's sacrifices. We're the, as the poem says, I should I edit this? Damn it, I'm an idiot. Flanders Fields from the, you know, from failing hands, here's your turn. You know, here's the torch. I'm done.

I'm going down. It's up to you. You take it. So this is our legacy. And I'm not going to be one of these guys, one of these veterans that watch this all go down. And I just couldn't be bothered. No, I couldn't say anything. Like I, you know, there's a lot of over, over how many hundreds of thousands, 200 and some

thousand dead Canadians or something that that memorial represents. So who's going to take this fence down? Who's going to, who's going to say, no, this isn't happening? It has to be us. So the guys came up with the idea. I don't know if it was Brian. They came up with the idea. And they were like, anybody that wants to do this, this is what we're doing.

If you don't want to do it, you don't have to. You just stand down, you know, whatever. And not everybody did. There was a lot of other veterans there that were like, I don't, you know, I don't want to get arrested. Or I have, you know, for whatever the reason is. But there was a fair amount that did, and there was no civilians. Like this was strictly, and they cheered us on, and it was, ugh, you know, we took it down, neatly stacked it on the side of the road.

It's like, because this monument belongs to us. It belongs to the Canadian people, and you don't tell us what to do with it. We paid for it. We paid for it with our taxes, and we paid for it with our blood, and of our family members and our friends, and you don't get to decide how this is going to go, and we do. And then the police showed up, and, you know, there was a little bit of a confrontation, and they didn't want any of that, and they left.

We sang the National Anthem with thousands of people, it was, uh, it was like very, I, I wish I'd been there for, for when James Topp arrived at, at, at the at the tomb of the unknown soldier, because it was just this something that you can never recreate and it was a moment in time that's like, that's going to stay with me for the rest of my life to be there with these guys and in this, in this small display of, you know, fuck you to the, to the state that we could do. I don't know if you, if you swear on this or not, but I felt it was deserved that stage because that's what we believe and we're not going away. And there's, and it was from all generations. It wasn't even just the Afghan.

guys. There was guys there from Bosnia. There was airborne guys there that were from the 80s, older fellas. There was, you know, some guys were still in serving. So, and from the Air Force, the Navy, the Army, men, women, you know, from all over. So to know that, you know, this idea that I had of what, you know, the military is and what it's for, it's beating heart, its soul, what makes it, you know, special. And it's, it's not a, we're not a bunch of mercenaries. This isn't a gang. You know, this is, this is the, the ancient warrior cast of society who's your sacred purpose is to defend your people and your children from from people that want to hurt them you know and um that was a scary moment to think that maybe that doesn't exist you know this is just a it's just a movie it's just a

movie it's not real oh it's very real and um everybody there that day could feel it like it was like it was in the air you could like i joked about it in the thing that's happening now there's some kind of strange energy that's affecting my eyes you know no soldiers never never cry so that's not what it is it's fake news if you see anybody crying it was fake it was just some kind of dust that the government had put in the sky. I was trying to weaken us, you know, but it was, it was incredible. I don't, I would love to feel like that again, you know, I felt so proud, too, of all the guys that were there.

It was just like, with no prompt. No one was like, we need, I mean, there was a couple guys trying to gather, but they just, they just knew to be there. They just knew to come. And it was like, you know, Kevin caught, builded and they'll come. And they showed up and there's a lot of support. And further than that, they did try to get the military to participate in the emergency Act and the martial law put down of the people and the military refused because they were concerned

that the military would join the protesters. That's how that was, that's how strong the sentiment was anti-government pro protest in the military that the officers were like, this is dangerous. We're not doing it. We're not taking that risk. The police had no problem with it. Right. And that's the difference, right? The military instinctively knows that they're there to serve the people at the cost of their own life if that's what it comes to. And when they see them being bullied and beaten and, you know, pastors being dragged away and thrown in jail, little kids being kicked out of the, you know, the hockey ranks, people being beat up in Canadian tire, you know, like this really makes us upset. And why wouldn't it? You brainwashed us to go over and, you know, we go, the damn Muslims,

you know, we got to get them and Al Qaeda and they hate us. You fired us up to go kill those people who never laid a hand on anybody over here as, as the government's causing, I mean, I'm watching, women are crying, they've separated from their children. Morgan, she couldn't even have a funeral for her own father because COVID, because of the rules. People are dying behind plastic sheets separated from their loved ones. Like this is, no one has harmed the Canadian people more than the state that we have right now, ever, ever. No one has done this kind of damage and causes much pain and suffering to our people than these people have. So if there's any kind of genuine, you know, part of you, if you're a soldier or somebody that's like, I'm here to protect these people,

if you're not in this fight, I don't know what you're doing. Because there's nobody, did the Russians do this? This is why I like to pivot to next because this is the next one. When everybody was screaming about Orange Man Bad, I was like, there's something happening in China that we should be paying attention to. This war in Ukraine is getting completely out of control. They're going to try to involve us all in it. And I'd just like to remind people before the propaganda starts,

well, it already definitely is in full swing. The Russians didn't kick you out of your university. The Russians didn't close your business down. The Russians didn't separate you for. from your dying loved ones, make you say you can't go to funerals, make you stand across the street from the church because you're not vaccinated, can't go indoors. The Russians didn't say maybe you should be allowed to grocery stores. The Russians didn't call you an unacceptable fringe minority. Maybe you need to be put in camps. And the Russia, it wasn't the, you know,

Russian police that were down there with cops or, you know, stepping on people with horses, beating them with guns and shooting them with rubber bullets in point blank range. That was the Canadian state that did all of those things. So if you're, if you're mad, you want to confront somebody, I think you need to slow down and reevaluate, you know, why are you confronting them and who are you standing up to and why. I don't think the Russians have anything to do with the misery and the pain and suffering that's going on with people in this country into the millions. It's the state here.

And man, this has been a long ramble, but that's essentially it. That's why we're here. And that's what that's what soldiers want. You know, we don't like to, you shouldn't want to, you know, fight and have to go, and I don't mean we're going to go to war with the government or anything. But the honest, the honorable fight, you know, where it's like, this is how unquestionably like I read a story other day there was a statue of a dog somewhere in the states and there was these these kids were being attacked by pit bulls

this kid or a couple of kids and this little dog this nine-year-old mixed like not a pit bull you know jumps in to protect these kids instinctively and it dies in the process the pit bulls you know but the kids get away and are rescued otherwise they're only you know six seven years old kids they would have been killed um that was that was that was just, there doesn't need to be, there doesn't need an explanation, you know,

people just see that situation and you get like, wow, you know, that dog's a hero because that's just, that's just what needed to be done. So that's how I feel about it. These people, people here are being abused by their,

in gas lit and mentally tortured and spiritually tortured, physically tortured by their own, their own government that's supposed to be looking out for them and says, we're all in this together as it steps on your face. So who, who is supposed to, you know, everyone's looking around,

is anybody going to do anything? like we will we have to we have to and if we don't be but and if we do people will join us and people support them and they love who do they do you think the people trust more that Canadian veterans or the Canadian politician I'd love to see that showdown I've always thought that if it ever came down to that you're either with them or you with them that is they lose they're not going to win that confrontation so there's a power there there's a huge power in that community and that in that all over the world not just in Canada the United States Kingdom Australia these people have made us fight their wars for them for

20 years and now they're bringing it home on our own people. If anybody's going to stand up and get in their way, I don't know what you're doing if it's not us. Yeah, to me, hard to interject when you're on a roll like that. Sorry. I'm watching the clock go up. I'm like, I've been talking way too long. No, no, no. It's, I was looking for a story from Ottawa. You know, and then you said, yeah, and then you rattle that off. And I'm like, that's what, that's what people need to remember and certainly want to hear. As far as, you know, the military men standing up and women, for that matter, I think you're certainly right on a lot of it. I just come back to if you're waiting for somebody to stand up and do what's right in your own community, you've had that thought.

It's you. It's you. Right? It's you. And so what you got to do is you got to look around, start talking to people. You're going to find four or five guys. I'm speaking from a man's point of view, start meeting, start discussing things, start realizing what's going on because women have book clubs too. Yes, they do. I don't like to speak for women because this last time I checked, I'm a man and I don't, yeah, I don't know. They're aliens to me.

I don't know. I just watch them from a bar like, what are you doing? I don't know. Don't even try to understand them. It's vice versa. Don't they don't speak our language. We don't speak theirs. We try to coexist.

That's the best you're going to get up. So like I come back to what you're saying. it's like it's whoever's listening is you and that is a very if you you've that resonates it's like like that should rise you should be like

yeah it is all right yeah and that doesn't mean go storm the building tomorrow that just means like you can start do so yeah James Top talked about this I've been this is just the militaries that you guys have I love it for so many reasons and I hate it for other reasons but like there's so many

I'm I hate what they made us do and why and all but in the end i'm thankful that it happened that way or i wouldn't have the perspective and the clarity that i that i do these days but one of the things the traditions of the the regiment that i was in and spend most of my military career and was the royal canadian regiment and the motto of that is never pass a fault and it doesn't mean like you know don't if like the sergeant majors at the really petty level will be like did you just walk by that piece of garbage and look at it and do nothing and just keep going like that you'll get you would literally get yelled at for that it's like put that in the fucking trash

You just looked at it. It's next to the trash. You know what it's supposed to be in the trash. Why didn't you fix it? You noticed it. You're now responsible for it. Like if you notice and go, man, this is a problem. This isn't working the way it's supposed to.

You have to operate under the assumption that this is only continuing. It's only gotten as far as because no one has noticed this yet. You did. Or because you've noticed it and you haven't picked it up. Or you haven't, right? In Ottawa, one of the crazy things was that was contagious. I remember watching it. Watching people.

watching people walking around sitting with a guy in a half-ton truck parked in one of the streets was sitting there and we were talking and I'm like you seeing this and he's like what and I'm like are you are you want like look at this and he's like what are you talking about and I'm like look at the people look at what they're doing and what we were watching was there was like four couples on a little bit of a patrol to make sure no shenanigans but what they were also doing was checking the street to see if it was clean and they were picking up a little pieces of garbage I'm like that is contagious You can start doing that anywhere. It was clean everywhere.

The homeless people gained weight. Like they were like it was incredible. It was insane, man. It was the best. It was perfect. Forced a tyrant to act like, well, there was no violence. There was not on our behalf. I mean, the police certainly enacted a lot of violence on nonviolent, unarmed, you know,

women and in so on. But yeah, it was incredible to see, man. And yeah, it was contagious. And I went, I went there. I only tended to go for a few days and come home. I dropped some guys off. I was home two days. I was like,

I'm going back. You know, it's only a 14-hour drive. I leave now, you know. So I was there for 95% of it. Then, you know, it's, yeah,

it was incredible. Well, it's, it's one of those things that I wish we would have met because, you know, but then you get there and, and you talk about the thousands of thousands of people.

It would have been absolute sheer luck if we would have found our way through that crowd. Before I let you out of here, let's do the crewmaster final question. I believe I've already asked you the main one. So I've, I've been asking a lot about 2023. Either you can say what you see coming or what you're hopeful.

I don't care. One way or another, we're in January. There's a lot of 2023 left. It is the Crude Master final question. What is the rage see in the coming months? I try not to hope for things too much. I mean, you have like, I hope it, you know, things, you know, just as a general sense, Obviously, everyone hopes for things to get better and approve and so on.

But other than that, I don't try to wallow in it too much because I don't think it does a lot. You know, try to have a positive mindset about things. And I just take things a day at a time, two days at a time, week at a time. And that's really all you can do. The events in motion are so much bigger than all of us that it's difficult to, you know, do anything about it yourself. But if everyone did that, you know, no one passed a fault. Like the rank and file people, you know, to use a metaphor out there, not everybody has to just if everyone gets out and helps push.

It's like a bus load of people and it's broken down and we got to put. And if everyone just wants to sit on the bus and there's two guys out there trying to push it themselves and it's painfully slow, it's not even moving at all hardly. And the people inside are just complaining that no one's pushing the bus. Like get out and help them, you know, and you don't have to, whatever it is you can do. If it's just a tiny, you know, I don't know what position people are in, but there's other people out there that could be, you know, leaders and start to influence change like yourself, like other people. people out there that all they need is to just start doing it. And like I didn't, this isn't just happened for me overnight. I haven't had this for five or six, seven years maybe. I don't know. I didn't make any money for five years. I was just, you know, that's what it takes. You got to go out

and start, you know, doing it and just keep at it and be consistent. But if everybody did that, if everyone treated it like, if I don't do something, no one's going to and just apply that and do whatever it is that you can do and try to help, that's going to make a huge difference. It's like, you know, death by a thousand cuts kind of a thing. So that's what I'm trying to, that's what I've been doing and continue to do. And I like to try and bring people up and, you know, promote other people and help them along. And, you know, I'm not one of these, you know, competitive, like, just, just listen to me. I want all the attention.

I want all the likes and the followers. I don't, that's not why I'm doing this. I never was. If I was, if I wanted that, I would be telling everybody what they wanted to hear. I'd be agreeing with the government all the time. I, you know, you'd make tons of money. You'd have tons of attention. You've, everyone that does that.

There you go. YouTube will put you at the top of the search algorithm if you want. You know, I could, easy. I'm doing everything the opposite of is if you're, you're trying to get attention and, you know, be popular. And nobody likes to hear a lot of this stuff. So anyway, I like to try and encourage people to do that. But as far as the future go, I don't, this isn't going to be a good ride, I don't think.

I don't see how. I mean, that doesn't mean it's like, like, it's going to get, it's going to get hard. Like, we're still in the middle of a fight. That's the thing. Oh, yeah. still trying very hard to, I mean, they wouldn't have to censor people if they, if they weren't having an effect. They wouldn't have to do the things they're doing if it wasn't working. It's like, you're in the middle of a fight, like a war, and it's like they're shooting at you because you're not

beaten yet. If they weren't, they wouldn't have to do any of this if you were defeated and, you know, rounded up and it's all taken care of. They wouldn't have to bother. It would be over, but they are. They're coming at it pretty aggressively. So it still, it still could go either way. But I think the Alberta situation is going to continue to get worse. That's going to come to ahead. I think the divisions that have been rendered in society are so catastrophically, you know, cavernous and deep that I don't think they're going to be, like this generation is done, like they're done.

I don't, I don't think there's any coming together after this because the damage that's been done to these people is, is unforgivable. And how do you trust the government ever again, or the police, or the media or, you know,

so this, this is an unsustainable paradigm. So eventually the wheels are going to fall off and it needs to be, you know, replaced with a new one. And for, for, there's no trust anymore.

We have a low trust society. Again, people don't trust all the things I mentioned. So there's going to be more problems ahead than less. So again, sustain yourself as best you get self-sustained, insulate, you know, mitigate, try to find, you know, try to anticipate problems before they happen and then take precautions. It's like the Boy Scouts model. You know, always be prepared, you know, you just think of what could happen. Like, could they take my bank account?

Is that possible? Is that possible? What can I do now? that if that happens, I can just sidestep that and it'll be okay. Uh, you know, the things you can do. Do I, do I have access to food? Do I, do I know people that can do this or that?

So just follow along with what they do to Jeremy and, and we'll have a roadmap to prepare for. Well, I'll, once I, once I clear it up, if I'll, I'm going to be teaching people how to do the exact same thing. So they can all, you know, quit the banking system if they like because it's pretty predatory anyway. Um, but, um, I, I think this war is going to get out of control soon. And that's going to be the next big thing.

That's going to be the next big world-changing dividing line. And the scary one about that is all the weapons they've used in the last 20 years to combat Islamic terrorism is now being turned inwardly against dissidents of the political system of the state to say that there are terrorists or white nationalists or whatever it is. So it's been turned inward. My concern is that when this war goes into the next phase, which inevitably is going to because neither side is going to back down. Russia is fighting for its existence because if they lose, you know, NATO's going to have a stranglehold over them and they're going to install a Western puppet government state that's going to do all the same things that's doing here that the Russians don't want. They don't want any of that stuff. And we're, you know, can we put missile systems on your border? We just want

to put nuclear missiles like two hours from your capital city. Is that, no, absolutely. They're not going to have the, it's like having a sword over your neck for the rest of your life. You have no choice but to do what they say. So they're not going to back down ever. And NATO clearly seems to have no intention of admitting that they've lost, and this is a foolish, you know, gambit to, you know, keep dumping money and guns. So we're just a movable force and unstoppable object. So that's, that's what's coming. I'm worried that they're going to use these weapons to then say, if you, uh, it's good, like they did it in Germany, right? It was defeatism or it was to be anti-war or to go against the war. It was put you in jail. Um,

that could happen here. I mean, it happened in other wars, you know, if you come out and say, you know, you're undermining the military. You're undermining the government's authority and blah, blah, blah. So that's scary. Like the amount of compliance machine that they've built where current things support it or you're the bad guy. We're coming up on a major war, it looks like. What's going to happen to those of us that are like, you know, because it's justified. It's, dude, this is World War III. And you're, you know, it's all hands on deck. And you're, you're dragging us down. And what are you? What are you? What are you? What do

you love Vladimir Putin? Like, wartime is different than peace time and they can do all kinds of wild stuff. So I don't know. I don't like where this is going. So I'm doing as much as I can ahead of time now to tell people like this is we should have nothing to do with this at all. We just sent a bunch of our tanks to Ukraine. We only have like 40 or 50 that are even serviceable and work. We just gave them

10 or 20% of our entire tank fleet which barely exists anyway. The military is a mess. We've dumped all of our money and is like I don't know. It's going to be, I feel like it's going to spiral out of control soon and that's going to be 2023's, you know, black swan event

or 2024. I don't know how long, but how long this is going to continue before it kicks off, but I'm not optimistic that anybody's going to back down or blink from this. And then you've got the Chinese rattling swords all over the place, all over Southeast. They're just waiting for the right time to jump on Taiwan. And I mean, I've been a huge student of World War II and World War I.

I just, it's fascinating because the world catches fire. And everyone goes crazy. The whole planet just loses its mind and mass industrialized murder is just a normal thing. We're wiping out cities. We're like, wow. I mean,

it's in crazy. to watch, you know, as an observer if you're an alien, like, hey, look, check out what the humans are doing now. They're racing cities. Why? Rich people are fighting, so they're just destroying it. It's crazy. And there's a lot of parallels. Before World War I, for example, you know what people were

really talking about and really concerned about? Like, on the eve before it happened, was the tour to France. Everyone was really involved in the sports ball of the day, which was the bicycle race. World War World War III is right around the corner. And they're like, all everyone's talking about is the tour to France, and no one saw it, you know,

World War II is the same thing. It's never good. No, that'll never happen. It's just a, like, we sleepwalk into these catastrophes again and again and again. And all you can do, I'm probably, I'm not going to be able to prevent it from happening, but I'm definitely not going to be one of these people that didn't try because that's worse, you know, so that's what I'm worried about. And I'm, I don't know how much, I don't think this, this COVID stuff has a lot of legs left. I don't think people are going to tolerate more lockdowns and more of it. I mean, how many people have boosters, like 20%, 15% of the population. Like, I think it's done.

I don't think anybody's like children. I think what is it? 5% of the children were vaccinated. Like people don't want to give it to their kid. There's a, it's a big red flag because they, they pushed this on everyone to say, it's to stay safe and,

you know, protect you and for your health. People should be, if that were true, if people instinctively really did believe this, like you'd see them in grocery stores with all their masks and their nonsense, with their unprotected,

unmasked, ungloved child in the shopping cart. So you don't believe you're at risk because if you did, your child would even be here, or if they did, they'd be double as wrapped up as you are. And did you say, I don't want the vaccine. Give it to my son. He needs to live.

I will give you his spot in line. That's not what happened. People took it. I'm taking it so they don't have to. What? Well, they're going to force us to do it, and I need my job. So they know they've been blackmailed and coerced into this. If this was a real, like, oh, I'm trying to protect people.

They'd be throwing their children at these vaccines like cake. Like, go get it. Come on. But they're not. That tells you everything you need. People don't want it. They never did. And so I don't think that's going to continue. So I don't know. I think more political unrest, more fighting, more, you know, season three of Dagelon is already off to a great start.

You know, we've got the debanking episode, a story arc we're working through now. Maybe we'll have rage goes back to jail as a political dissident for being anti-war. You know, as a season finale, I don't know. What's going to happen? That's the Cole's Notes version of where I see this next year going. Oh, and the economic instability, obviously, we're bankrupt. and they spend all of our money. Inflation isn't something they can stop. Well, if we get the libs out, you put Millhouse in there, it's not going to make any difference.

He can't push a button and make everything go back to normal. The money is spent. We have to pay it back. The interest is there. It's done. Everything is going to get incredibly more expensive. I think my kids' mom tells me all that the groceries are going up. Money's just to pay for medications and stuff.

22% I read the other day of Canadians are already broke. No money at all. like underwater, going to lose everything. And we've just started. Like, you're feeling now the effects of the money printing that they did two years ago. It's just starting now. And they've done it nonstop the whole time. So we're just beginning.

It's like if you, you chugged a bottle of whiskey. I just put it away in 30 seconds. A whole, you know, 26 ounce. I don't know how you did it, but you did. And I feel fine. You're going to feel fine for about five minutes. Then you're going to feel, uh-oh. Yeah.

We're now at that stage. oh oh you know i just chugged a pint of whiskey like oh i don't feel good you're about to feel a lot fucking worse things are going to get real bad for you over the next few hours you're just starting to realize you've made a mistake that's where we're at with the economy and everybody's so standard of living is going to drop wealth inequality is going to increase the rich people have more money and power than every four the poor it's the same cycle so chaos ahead is is what i predict and uh the rage says 2020 he could have just said chaos but he just laid it all up hey man I've really depressed and really...

I've enjoyed this. We've been through worse, though. I mean, we've been through depressions and world wars before. We're all here. Just because things go completely sideways and destroyed, we've rebuilt those cities that were destroyed as well. Just because something is a way that nothing

lasts forever. Not wars, not global empires, not the Spanish Empire, not the Roman Empire, not the globalist, Klaus Schwab. We're going to go to Davos and have $3,000 $3,000. Hooker's Empire. Nothing lasts forever. Everything's a cycle. And we're Just this is the one that we're in at this point in time in human history. And we'll navigate it like everybody's always done since, since ever.

So take care of your friends and your family and insulate yourselves as best you can. And try to ride out, ride out the storm. You know, that's really all you can do. And this is just, hey, it could be worse. You could have been born. I keep saying you could have been born in the 1830s. And you're an onion farmer. And the most exciting thing that ever happens their whole life is there's a stray dog that runs through your property.

And you spend the next two years trying to figure out whose dog it was, you know? It's about the height of excitement you get in rural Kansas in 1842. Would you rather that? At least it's a front row seat to the clown circus. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. Certainly, you know, I just wait for the text line on, on Monday, I guess, when it fires off, because I'm sure it'll be a steady stream of everything under the sun. either way, man, I appreciate you hopping back on,

and I'm sure it won't be the last time. No, I'll be back unless, you know, they put me in the gulag. They've already done that. So again, they may, like we said, they're probably just escalate to assassination. I predict I'll survive this attempt. I'm very, very stuff.

I'm like a cockroach. I, you know, it's hard. It's hard to get rid of me. I don't know. No one's been able to do it yet, so we'll see. Send your best. You're going to need them, you know? Thanks again.

Of course. Thanks, Sean. I appreciate it.