Shaun Newman Podcast - (Replay) #461 - Martin Armstrong

Episode Date: December 31, 2023

He is the CEO of Armstrong Economics, his advice has been sought by numerous governments with regards to the global economy and he is the developer of the Economic Confidence Model based on business cycles. The great reset = 2032, Canada splitting and prison for 12 years are just some of what is discussed. Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:⁠https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast⁠E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: ⁠https://silvergoldbull.ca/⁠Email: [e-mail] [phone] – general sales line, ask for Grahame and be sure to let us know you’re an SNP listener.

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Number one episode. Now, you've obviously seen that it's Martin Armstrong. And I have to say, getting Martin was and is, to this day. One of the, you know, I never knew this back in 20, you know, when I first started the podcast, I didn't know that Martin Armstrong was going to be this surreal episode for me. But I first learned about Martin Armstrong, sitting with my brothers at a virtual financial conference in 2020. And he came on the screen. And two of my brothers were like, oh, you got to watch this guy. And so I was watching him. Like, this guy is something. Like, who is this guy? So I've been

trying to get Martin now for, you know, I don't know, three years. So when they finally responded and said yes. I was like, what, like I'm, you know, as big a fist pump as Don Cherry once upon a time,

truthfully, I mean that. I thought very highly. So for him to be number one of 2023 doesn't surprise me that much. It may surprise a few of you. I don't know if you'd ever heard of Martin Armstrong. But for me,

it's been, one of those memories that's pretty surreal for him to be up at the top, for him to have come on, you know, and, And just, he's an interesting, interesting read. So if you've never, you know, if you're just new to the podcast, you're seeing these replays,

you're like, oh, I missed all these. Top 10, awesome. There have been a few of you. Well, this one is an interesting one. And you're not going to be disappointed by Martin Armstrong. He's been on a second time since them. And we look forward to having them back on in 2024. Yeah, it's, I'm looking at it like, you know,

What a top five, you know? What a top ten, you know. But like top four, Joshua Allen, never heard of them before this year. McKenzie and Seth Bloom. Obviously, Seth, you're probably listening. I knew exactly who you were. But, you know, at one point I'm like, why haven't I had this story on the podcast? You know, just reached out and, you know, it went like Wildfire.

And I'm happy to hear that McKenzie's doing better. You know, yeah. Tom and Alex, you know, Tom comes because Dustin goes, my brother, you should have this guy. So I have them on. You know, okay, let's do it. And then Tom's like, you should have Alex on. And out of that has come Tom and Alex now, you know, going in double digits. They come on once a month.

They've been to Lloyd. They're coming again in the new year. And now to Martin Armstrong, you know. So, man, it's been a fun year. And, I mean, don't get me wrong. There's been a lot of ups and downs. there's been a lot of craziness. And on this side, I just look forward to another year of it.

And so with that all being said, you know, here's some of the things coming that we're going to try in 2024. First, we got a two-day conference. I've been thinking a lot about this. You know, maybe you've paid attention, maybe you haven't, maybe you don't care. But I've been putting on S&P Presents, you know, we've done different ones, rural urban divide. that was the number 12 episode actually this year on the countdown um you know uh legacy media COVID you know what what we got right and wrong that actually had Daniel Smith once upon time and and so I've done a bunch of these different shows and I've just been I've been on a

pause I've been really really thinking like what do I want what what do I think we need what do I think would be beneficial and so uh SMP presents ungovernable that's that's that's where I've got to. And it's looking like April 19th and 20th. I say this to you more as like, so you can go, oh, okay, cool. Like it's in the back of my brain. We're working on it here over the holidays.

It's going to be a two-day conference targeting four key areas, food and health, money, security, and energy. And I might put dot, dot, dot, dot, faith at the back of that. Certainly there will be a faith portion there, whether or not that's the big giant target of the weekend. I've got to think about that some more. Regardless, two-day conference in April, in Lloydminster. There's already, you know, a group of people that are signed on to talk about it.

I could probably rattle off a few of those names for you here, just so you get a little bit of an idea. Scott Marzlin, the doctor who was just on Tom Longgo, Alex Craneer, Curtis Stone, Dale Wilker, Malcolm Saunders, Stephen Barber, Brett Olin. These people are all going to be in attendance. There's others. Shane Getson.

222 minutes, like the list goes on and on. We're going to make sure that we get some people there that can help with different areas that can get practical things to go back to, you know, your castle, your home, and work on and try and, you know, make you feel comfortable because there's just things coming down the pipe. We all know they are. And, you know, if you're prepared for it, I think we can avoid some of the heartache that comes with it. And maybe we can help our other fellow community members, avoid some heartache. And so I look to try and, uh, put some people in front of you in a conference

style setting, uh, that, uh, can foster a bit of community, but also foster a bit of, uh, practical thinking of like, hey, this is some different things. And so, um, we got some interesting people coming to Lloydminster then. The next thing is, uh, um, I'm looking towards building a podcast studio out on the farm. Um, we've got designs on it, still working, uh, a show to, uh, show to to Dale Wilker, architect who's been on the podcast. He's been helping along with it. And there's a list of companies that are, I shouldn't say lining up. That's the only way it comes to mind, I guess,

lining up to help, whether it's in building materials or maybe they got a skill set that would be beneficial, you know, carpenters, brickmasons, you know, plumbers, et to help with it. And if that's you, I guess this is my. I ask if you know of somebody like that that would be useful or your company that wants to, you know, oh yeah, we could donate a little bit. The thing we're going to try and do, we're not trying to do, the thing we're going to do is we're going to put a wall up in it and on it. I got to figure out a creative design, but I want either the person's name who helped, maybe the

person's name and the company, regardless to be there, you know, for the entirety. Like you come lend to hand, we're going to make sure your name goes up on the wall or your company's name goes up on the wall. Either way. So if you know of anyone or of any business that might be willing to help, because it all, it all helps. And I think, yeah, I'm really excited for 2024 between the, the government, on governable conference and podcast studio. Yeah, I think I got my hands full. And then, of course, you know, we're working on a couple different things. It's looking like the Tuesday mashup is going to be moving to a different day in the week here. Not first month, but in the first quarter, I would say.

And slowly we're going to transition it from the Tuesday mashup to the mashup. It's going to be more during the day instead of late at night and make it a little easier on twos, make it a little easier on me. So that's some things you can expect in the new year. We're going to try our best to get Jordan Peterson, Frank Freakin Paredi, wherever you are. if you know who that is. You, man, I would take some help on that. I would really love to talk to Frank Peretti.

He's quickly becoming the guy I want to talk to over Jordan Peterson. Isn't that a wild thing to say? I still want Jordan Peterson. He's my white buffalo at this point. But Frank Peretti, somehow we've got to find a way to get a hold of that guy. We got the blue-collar roundtable firing up for the first time in January. That's going to be the Guardian plumbing and heating blue-collar roundtable. They're moving from Wednesdays to taking over the main store.

title spot of the blue collar roundtable. We got silver gold bowl. They're, man, they've signed up for 2024. Thanks to all of you. I continue to support them. Continue to support me. I've been so floored at the support going when I asked for support to let Silvergo Gold Bowl.

You know, people hear it. And they're listening. I thought that was so cool. So my hat's off to all of you. We got military rounds. down table is going to be, while we just had the first one with Jamie and Chuck, we're hoping to get more military guys on that.

So Jamie and Chuck have said they'll come to every single one. Well, we're going to be doing it once a month, and we want to make sure that there's other guys in the room with them, or we get a new group in and let's have some dialogue, some chats. The military guys need more airtime, in my opinion. if there's any military wives out there. I know, I know. There's a whole bunch that probably don't want to talk.

But I think it would be interesting to, I don't know, I got to flesh that idea out. I don't know. But it might be an interesting perspective to have a military wife or two on the podcast as well. You got ideas. Send them to the podcast. If you've noticed, I haven't been texting back near as much.

I've been joined time with family over the holidays here. and I just want to thank, you know, well, so if you've been texting, that's why I haven't been texting back. I want to thank all the sponsors who've made 2023 possible. Without their support, folks, I wouldn't be doing this. There's just no way. So there's been people that have come and gone. There's been companies that have come and gone. There's been mainstays.

And I just thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can't thank all these companies enough. because without their support, small or large, it all added up to allowing me to do something I love and I think is very vital in our country for the year of 2023. And I have to say 2024, there have been companies stepping up, left, right, and center. I can always add a few more in. So if you're sitting there listening this and you're like, oh, we should, we should reach out,

shoot me a text, probably get to it in the new year. But I would love to have you team up with the podcast. There's different ways. There's the mashup. There is just advertising in general. There are tables at the shows. There's the S&P conference coming up. There's the podcast studio.

There's different ways that we can slice it to have any company help support what we're doing here. We'd love to have you. If you're just an individual and you're like, I don't know, what can I do? Substack is there. Right now it's free. You can pledge. And you'll notice there hasn't been any substack contact now for content for, for, that's a lie.

We put out a post, but no bonus exclusive content from interviews. We left that alone for the holidays, so we didn't overwork ourselves. But coming in the new year, you're going to see more exclusive content on Substack. And, yeah, man, I'm just excited. 2024. Don't know where you, you know, it's, you know, as dark as the years look ahead, I just know if I get to do this and get to continue to talk to the interesting people and have you folks along for the ride

giving me the feedback that you continuously do. Man, I see bright days ahead. I think there's a lot of people getting activated and I look forward to pushing along with all of you and I appreciate you coming along for the ride. So this would be, you know, I mean this in the... I don't know. I don't want to toot my own horn.

I just, when I go places, people, and I get text saying, you know, without you, I wouldn't have survived the last couple of years. And my only response to that is without all of you tuning in and listening and pushing this along and giving me the feedback, I don't think I would have survived either. So it's a mutual relationship, I guess. I really enjoy having you along for the ride. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.

Enjoy the number one episode of 2023. I'm going to get out of the way. I've been talking now for 12 minutes. Oh, boy. I'm going to get out of the way. Martin Armstrong going back to episode 461. Enjoy. Welcome to the show on Newman Podcast.

Today, I'm joined by Martin Armstrong. So first off, sir, uh, well, thanks for doing this. Well, thank you for inviting me. I, uh, I'm going to start, I'm going to tell you a little story because I, I'm probably, maybe I'm like a lot of people that sit across from Martin, but um, I'm going to rewind the clock on Sean's story a little bit, go back to the year of 2020. And, uh, my brother invited me to Michael Campbell's World Outlook Financial Conference for the first time. I had three kids under the age of four. And, uh, my brother invited me to Michael Campbell's World Outlook Financial Conference for the first time. and I'd never heard of this guy named Martin Armstrong, and my brothers were like, you gotta listen to this guy.

So anyways, you come on and I can't remember everything you said, but you made an impression. And I did what most people, I think, when people make an impression, I'm like, who is this guy? And so I went to Wikipedia. And I'll share this, you know, in the last three years, I've certainly learned a lot. But here's what Wikipedia said.

He is an American, self-taught, economic forecaster, and convicted felon who spent 11 years in general, years in jail for cheating investors out of 700 million and hiding 15 million in assets from regulators. And my initial thought was, why does Michael Campbell have a guy like that talking? And then I go, I fast forward for the last three years. I've interviewed a lot of people, Martin, and I see what they want us to all believe of Martin. And I'm curious, I guess, to start it off, if Martin wouldn't mind sharing a little bit of his story from his perspective so we can get some of the truth because certainly over the last three years from my eyes, I've heard a lot, seen a lot,

talked to a lot of different people that they don't want saying anything. Well, Wikipedia is basically controlled by the government anyhow. Many people have tried changing that page and they always revert it back. effectively what it boiled down to was that the Republic National Bank, Edmund Safra, maybe to give him the benefit of the doubt. He stole basically the billion dollars from it and ended up having to plead guilty and pay back all the clients. I didn't owe anything.

But to give him the benefit of the doubt. The Japanese government had sent over a letter and said, please confirm that he has $10 billion on deposit as your bank. And there was one there. But they had asked me to bring over $10 billion because they wanted me to invest in Russia with them. And basically what they were doing back then was trying to take over Russia, grab all the natural resources, et cetera,

and I rejected it. I said, I'm not investing anything in. there. But they had asked me to bring over $10 billion. So perhaps when this letter came, maybe they thought I took the $10 billion, told them it was there, and it wasn't, I don't know. But they then ran to the government and said, gee, we don't know where that money is, which would have made sense if we're talking about the $10 billion. So somebody in the Federal Reserve went back to Japan said, please confirm, $10 billion? Because, I mean, back then it used to be a lot of money.

I mean, now in Detroitians, you know. Back then, that's what the entire bank was being sold for. And they said, oh, so sorry, decimal place error, $1 billion. Well, now he had already taken the $1 billion thinking that he could get away with it. And so then it, that's where it started. The government says, oh, a billion dollars is missing, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then when they, I told them, I said the bank took the money. What are you people, stupid?

You know, I mean, we're not talking about how does a billion dollars leave a bank and there's no trace. I mean, it's either got to be a wire, you write a check, something. And, but, you know, the problem with the law is you're seeing with Trump, et cetera. I mean, these prosecutors get to make these decisions themselves. And they tend to look at it. They're going to become the next president of the United States if they take somebody down famous. Like Giuliani took down John Gotti, you know, Christy went in Jersey. This is how they rise in the political ladder.

And so that's basically what happens. I went to my clients and I said, look, the bank took the money. you better come over here and file suits against the bank or you're not going to see a dime. The government went to my clients and nobody would sign a complaint against me. They didn't even understand currency because everything was in yen. And back then, the yen had gone from 75 to the dollar to 147. So if you had given me a million dollars worth a yen in 1995, and I've repaid you back the same amount of yen in 1998,

it only cost me a half a million dollars. All right. So they went to them and said, oh, he looked at it in dollars. Oh, see, he cheated you. And they said, no, we're fine. What are you talking about? And so then that turned into I manipulated the world economy

to make them think they made money, you know, because nobody would sign a complaint against me. And then when they finally figure it out that the bank stole the money, only because my clients came and they filed suit against the bank, they couldn't hide it anymore. So the bank pled guilty. The bankers got a deal that if they paid everybody back and were made whole, then nobody went to prison. And that's what they did. So, I mean, anybody that tried to try to. to put that, you know, that the bank even played guilty on Wikipedia, they take it out

immediately. I mean, because that's what they don't want to admit what really took place. And so I had actually just recently put out a book, the plot to see Russia, which basically goes into the whole thing. What was really going on is to take over Russia back then, and they wanted me to put in $10 billion into this Hermitage Capital. And the outright scheme was they blackmailed Yelton, who was going to run for election in 2000. And they wanted him to put in Borisnovsky, which was their puppet. And when Yelton refused, then they set up a sting operation. and they got to basically got in the wire $7 billion from IMF loans to a company to refurbish the Kremlin in Switzerland.

And as soon as that took place and they ran to the government and said, oh, Bank of New York just did a major $7 billion money laundering. So when they ran into the bank in New York, then they told Yeltsin, you either stepped down, or this is all going to come out. And that's when he realized that he had been set up. And that's how Putin came to power. What year is this, Martin? This is 1999.

And so he turned to Putin, mainly because people don't realize, because that's also a lot of propaganda about Putin as well. He turned to Putin because he was not a communist and he wasn't one of the oligarchs. The communists in Russia, they filed an emotion for impeachment to try and get rid of Yeltsin, and then they would have taken the country back to the USSR. So Yeltsin turned to Putin, who nobody knew at the time. In the book I put out, I've got all the declassified documents from the Clinton administrational confirming this. And basically, his last words to Putin was protect Russia.

because he knew the Americans were invading in the election, and then you had the communist trying to seize the country from the other side. And that's why Hillary started the whole Russian propaganda stuff, saying, oh, Putin interfered in the U.S. election, because she thought it was retaliation because she was behind the one in 2000. So it just became a real mess. And that's why the government tries to make sure that my Wikipedia page doesn't remission any of the truth about anything else. I mean, but that's what's going on in everything now.

I mean, you're, you know, they censoring people. You know, it's just, it's outrageous. Well, it's, like I say, I think a lot of us have had quite the curriculum over the past, you know, the education over the last three years. It's been a wild, wild ride. I was wondering if you could talk about Socrates and the pie cycle of 8.6 years. Well, basically, when I was doing some research, I stumbled upon a list of panics. And it covered a period of 224 years, and there were 26 panics in there, listed between 1683 to 1907.

So I just took an average and it turned out to be 8.6. And I plotted out. I thought it was just an average. That was it. And when I started plotting it out, it was quite amazing how the economy was actually peaking and bottoming right on the day. I never expected that to actually happen. And the largely what it turned out to be was 8.6 was, you know, of that cycle turned out to be 3,145 days, which was pie.

And maybe that explained why it was always consistent. I mean, the very day it picked the 1987 crash is the very day that peaked in the real estate in 2007. They were even calling it on the floor Armstrong's revenge. I mean, you go back, I mean, it picked the exact day of 9-11. Even the very day that Hitler was offered the chancellorship back in 39. I mean, you know, there is a lot more hidden order to all of this than we perhaps want to entertain. We're always told everything's random. And I mean, I remember in going school and when I went to economics class, they said,

oh, you can't very predict the future because it's random. And therefore, we can manipulate society because that's what they were. want to do. Then you went to physics class and they said nothing's random. I said, what are you guys are lying? And that's basically what really happened. So you find out that most of the academic position on these things is that, oh, it's random so they can manipulate. And they don't want to talk about the business cycle being definitive or anything of that nature. I mean, even Paul Volcker eventually came out and said, look, the business cycle is about eight years, period. Many people have come out and have basically looked at this and it said

there is a definitive business cycle to this. And there's a lot more involved in it from everything, from climate to you name it. I mean, but that's also why there is no government that has ever lasted. There's a cycle to absolutely everything. You know, the Republicans get in and they get thrown out the Democrats come in. And it goes back and forth. So, I mean, this is just simply the way it is. And most people in politics, you know, they do realize there's a cycle and they win and they lose and they go back and forth. I had met with Dick Army, who is the head of Republicans, and there was a movement for tax reform back then. And he said, I can't support getting rid of the income tax without a constitutional amendment. He says, otherwise they will end up, you know,

the Democrats get back in and he said to me, you know cycles and they will, we'll have both a retail sales tax and an income tax. So, and I said, Dick, I know you're right. That's it. But so anything you look at, it's always this. I mean, you take, I mean, our model has been projecting an upheaval where government were at the end of this phase of what we would call republicanism. The last time we overthrew monarchy, and these cycles come by, we go back and forth between the different types of government. This time, you know, it's going to be Republican forms of government that collapse. And then we get hopefully a shot at reforming things. making it more of a direct democracy.

But, I mean, they called it, we live in a democracy, but that's just propaganda, too. I mean, do you have a right to vote on anything? Do we go to war? No. I mean, shall I be drafted? No. They just, you know, we have representative form of government, which is really a republic. So they make the decisions.

We have no right to vote on any of this stuff. Do you vote, say yes? increase my taxes, please? I mean, you know, yet they stand up and say, oh, we're fighting for democracy. That's total absolute nonsense. We do not live in a democracy.

So, I mean, these are different forms of government. Could you inform the listener? I was mentioning you were coming on and I was rather excited. And people know who Martin is. They were excited as well. But there's a lot of people who don't understand some of the backstory of Socrates and the model that's giving you some of the insights. And you talked with the pie cycle and just like stumbling upon like, holy crap, this is,

this is interesting, right? Like, this is beyond interesting, Marty. When did you first create Socrates? And what were the first, like, what was maybe the first thing that you're like, this won't happen? Like, I mean, maybe it will, but I don't know. Maybe I'm a little bit often, you know, maybe this is a little too much. much wishful thinking. And then it happens and you're like, holy crap. Well, I created it back in the 70s. I mean, I had my father was a lawyer. He wanted, you know, pushing me into law school. And I really

just didn't want to become a lawyer. I like trading. But he said, no, you really shouldn't do that. It's not like a respectable trade or something. And so he pushed me into computers. So I went into computers. I whole engineering thing, electrical engineering, programming, everything. And I was just the youngest guy. I mean, so the married guys were getting offered, you know, London, Paris. I was offered, you know, Vietnam, basically Tully Greenling, Guamber, Vietnam. So I said, no, I don't want that. And they said, first it started as, you know, you can volunteer.

Then I said, I don't want to volunteer. for any of them. I don't like cold. I'm going to get a sweat off or I'm going to get shot at. You know, what kind of a choice is that? And then it turned into, well, this is, you have to choose one. And then I quit. That was basically it. And I went back to trading. So when I went to trading, because I had the computer skills, I said, gee, I can make a computer to do this. And that's what I did. The first time I would say I, I really used it was probably 1976. It basically came out and said we're going to have a major inflationary wave.

Gold had just dropped from about $200 to $100 to $100. And so I actually had signed a lease for 10 years at that time. And back then they had CPI clauses, et cetera. So I said, look, I remember. Everybody says inflation is not coming back, so I'll take it. I'll sign personally, but no CPI clause. And they took it out. And my accountant said, were you crazy? You're doing this personally. I said, Harold, I'm going with this thing. And by 1980, they had me in court trying to get me, you know, saying, well, I didn't shovel the sidewalk to try and get out of that lease. But, you know, then I would say, fortunately that list that I used, the very first date was 1683, which was when the Turks, you know, went in to invade in Austria and Vienna. That was the financial capital of the world at that time, the Holy Roman Empire. So the list actually was covering international events, not just the United States.

And so it basically had picked in 1980, it came out with a forecast, which I did not believe. I thought it was nuts. It said that Britain was going to diverge from Europe, was going to align more with Canada and the United States. The British Pound, which was trading at 240, it projected that it would fall to par. I said, what? I said, flipping an economy and all that. And I, he can't be right. And it was correct. The panel fell from 240 to 103 in 1985. And when I really investigated, that's when I basically got into natural language. I said, I've got to be able to talk to this thing. You know, how are you coming up with this? And it picked up that the North Sea oil had just begun in 177. And that was changing the whole capital flows and the economic makeup of Britain.

Suddenly it was an energy producer rather than the consumer. So it lined up more with the United States and Canada against Europe, which had to import everything. It was very interesting to see over the years how it's just checking absolutely everything. And being, I became an international hedge fund manager and probably one of the very first ones actually, because most of my clients were from overseas. And I saw basically how everything was really moving. In 1985, I had offices in Geneva. And I saw the capital moving. We were all dealing with the OPEC countries back then.

And the money and the talent started to move towards Japan. And by 1987, I ended up opening up in Japan and went over there. And I was shocked how many clients we had. And it was just, and then the Japanese economy peaked out in 19, Then it went from there to Southeast Asia. So I basically did a model that would look at all the capital flows and how everything moved, because the money moved and the talent moved. And it got into, it began to teach me even how it was predicting war.

We had a client in Lebanon, Universal Bank of Lebanon, and they had found a ledger in their basement where somebody wrote down the Lebanese pound every day and asked us if we could build a model on Lebanese pound. I said, sure, send it over and we'll put it in and see what comes out. And what came out, I thought it was, again, I thought it was wrong. It said, your country is going to fall apart in eight days. and I called them. I said, look, this is what it's saying. I said, there's something that be wrong with this data you sent. And very calmly, they said to me, well, what currency would you recommend? And I said, boy, that's a strange question after what I just told you. I said, well, it says this was Frank. Okay, fine, thank you. And eight days later, the Civil War began.

I began to realize, I mean, after that, we had a client in Saudi Arabia, who was a big shipper. He called me and he says, what do you think gold's going to do tomorrow? Iran's going to start attacking shipping in the Gulf. I see you tell me a war's going to start tomorrow? He says, yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you think gold's going to do? So I began to realize that if you are going to start a war, you know what you're going to do. So you start moving your money in advance. just like we have tensions rising with China. And what has China been doing? They've been selling U.S. treasuries by the billions,

month after month after month. You don't own the debt and finance the guy you're going to work against. It's just simple as that. And so what happened where everything kind of went really kind of nuts, I would say. In June of 98, we had a conference in London. I stood up, and the motto was saying that Russia was going to collapse in about 30 days. And I gave out that forecast, but I didn't realize that somebody from the London Financial Times had snuck in the back of the room. And he then put it on the front page of the London Financial Times that, oh, Armstrong says Russia is going to collapse in about 30 days.

We're going to have nukes flying around or whatever. And that was published June 27th, and by September it fell. And that was the long-term capital management default and all that stuff. The first time the Fed had to bail out all these banks. And then the bankers blame me. They said, oh, you know, that I had too much influence because they were bribing everybody. And, you know, so they thought just simply because they made the London Financial Times, I caused them to lose all this money.

And that started the whole thing against me. But that's also when the CIA came, because a lot of people suspected maybe the CIA was all behind my case as well. I don't know. They did come and they said, look, we've been monitoring you guys. And they wanted me to go to Washington to build this computer for them. And I said, look, it took me 17 years to build this thing. I said, we'll run any study you want, no problem.

All right. And they said, no, we have to own it. And so they kind of looked at it from a national security perspective that they didn't want anybody else with the same information. So I said, sorry, it's not for sale. And that's basically, you know, after that, it's when, like, you know, they say holy hell broke loose. but um I don't know I don't know who he's

for the listener Martin like uh you know I've watched your documentary uh which came out in 2014 the forecaster which I thought was like a really interesting insight into it

and it still shocks me because I was talking about with the brothers you know it isn't like you went to jail for two months six months a year two years it was seven years

then you plea deal and then it's another five. It was 12 years in prison. I don't, you know, if you rewind the clock to the 70s to all the way to where you get to at the beginning of 2000, I don't like, did you realize by going against the machine that that's what it would do to you? I mean, there's no way to realize it, but I mean, 12 years. No, not really. I mean, the biggest problem with the entire legal system is that seven years was civil contempt. Okay, I'm the longest person ever held in contempt of court in history.

The statute itself says maximum 18 months. They just kept rolling it. They finally had to release me only when the Supreme Court was taking my case and ordered them to explain what the heck was going on. And they couldn't answer. You know, and so they had to release me. So then what they pulled was that, okay, fine, here. Just plead it to this.

And, I mean, my plea is online. You're going to read it. I failed to tell my clients that Republic Bank took the money for its own benefit. That's my, that's it. I don't even know how that's a crime, honestly. And I was supposed to get time served and walked out. And then judge goes, well, okay, fine, that's another five years. So it was clearly they were just trying to keep me, you know,

shut up at that point. And I mean, the shenanigans that went on, they went after my lawyers, so they make the lawyers so they couldn't talk to me. They put me in with the world trade center terrorists. I mean, I was in the most secure facility in the country. And, you know, My family couldn't even went and they said, oh, he's not here. We don't know where he's at. My lawyers had to go to the judge and say, we don't know where he is. The judge orders the government to try and find me. And they said, oh, well, we didn't realize he, you know, we found him down there.

And the judge just simply covers it up. So he's, oh, good job. He found him. How did I get in with all the terrorists? Did I knock on the door and say, could I please come in and play? You know, how do you get into the most secure facility in the country and you don't know when I'm there? If you don't know why I'm there, then how do you know anybody's in there? I mean, the excuses that these people make up to hide stuff is just, it's endless.

People don't realize, I mean, just look at all the wars that they just lie about all the time. Weapons of mass destruction. I mean, it just goes, it's endless. It's endless. investigations against FDR, that he knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked by the Japanese because they broke the code. But Congress wouldn't approve it were an act of war. So he allowed Pearl Harbor to take place. The Senate investigation just concluded, well, it's inconclusive whether he knew in advance. That's it. I mean, just go down the list.

I mean, it's just crazy. Every word they've lied about for, you name it, you know, and they're doing that again. Did you, before I certainly want to talk about where we're at now and where you think we're at, but, you know, when you talk about prison and being locked up in one of the most secure prisons in the world, I assume you had a lot of time to think. Did you figure anything out while you were sitting behind bars? basically you're in the belly of the beast and you get to see what it's really like. I mean, the shenanigans are just mind-boggling.

I mean, I was in one cell with one of the terrorist guys, and they come by and they say, all right, fine, we're going to do laundry, take off all your clothes, because they know a Muslim can't be seen naked. And then they say, oh, well, somebody's coming with more clothes, and they never do. Then there's no heat. You can see your breath, basically. And then they tell them, oh, the blankets are made from pig hair. I told the guy, put the blanket on. It's not pig hair. It's wolf. Don't listen to these people. I mean, he's sitting there shivering.

I mean, this is the stuff that these people do. It's just, it's mind-boggling. I mean, like Epstein supposedly committed, you know, suicide. There's no way you can hang yourself in one of these cells. Then, you know, that's where suicides, you know, they know they have people come by every hour looking because that's where people do commit suicide, but not by hanging. Did you ever, you know, once again, I've had different people on here, you know, like Tamara Leach was one of the ladies. who went to jail for the Freedom Convoy out in Ottawa in 2022. And she spent, I think it's 48 days locked up for her part in that.

And I just had a guy actually a couple weeks ago in Quebec, 108 days for not putting on a mask in a courthouse. And he basically wouldn't come out to their terms. So they just left him in the prison. In your, you know, in your stint, which isn't a stint, like man, you spent more time than convicted. felons get, you know, like everybody, it seems, gets to pleading here in Canada. It's pretty crazy how short of terms people get for some serious crimes. Did you think you were getting out? Or were you like, I may never get out of this place ever? Now, at a point you basically don't think you're ever getting out, really. Because it's just time and time again, it's just, you know, it's just a bunch

of lies. My lawyers even warned me, is, said, look, they will probably try and kill you. And they did. You know, I ended up in the, to their dismay, I mean, I ended up having to go to the hospital. I was in a coma. But I survived. I came out. And so then it was like, oh, well, you know, you know, so it was just, I mean, they pull every trick in the book. And so, I mean, it was, that's why I've done this book, to seize Russia. And with all the declassified documents I finally got from the Clinton administration, I mean, this is basically what it's been, I think what they've been hiding. They've been trying to take over Russia for decades. And like I said, I was in the middle of this stuff. The propaganda

against Putin is absolutely outrageous. Putin is the moderate guy. You remove Putin. You remove And we got a real problem because the hardliners are right behind them. They're the ones threatening nuclear war all the time. And, you know, these people just lie about absolutely everything. But this is a war to all they've ever wanted to do. I mean, Ron Paul even came out and said that these neocons have been waging endless wars for 30 years and never won a single one of them. You, one of the things, you know, when I rewind back to 2020, the first time I ever heard you speak, is you mentioned a year.

And I, it has been in my brain ever since. But at the time, I was like, that's like 12 years away. Why would I? And, you know, in fairness back then, Sean thought in maybe terms of months, maybe a year, but nothing longer than that. And I think most people can sympathize with three young kids under four. It was a busy time. Now is I get just a smidge older and have been through everything that we, you know, been through as humanity honestly.

The date seems a lot closer than I would have ever thought and that's 2032. You know in your paper you wrote on Canada at the, I think February, you quote me on the month, Marty. You mentioned the great reset equals 2032 and then you go on to say, you know, the cycles of the 8.6 into all the different numbers, they all culminate. in 2032. So I guess I have a two part. Well, I just want to talk about 2032 maybe to start.

What is it about 2032 that seems to be this year that things are all going to collide into? Well, I should explain. My nemesis is Klaus Schwab. Well, you've just created fans of my entire show because I think all of our nemesis is Klaus Schwab. Well, we created our, first World Economic Conference. And actually Michael had came down to it in 1985. And before then, I would be running up and doing like a small conference for institutions, like in Toronto, Vancouver, Zurich, et cetera. And I remember I was doing one in Zurich, and people from Canada flew over for that.

and they said you should really just have one where we all can get together. I said, gee, that's an idea. So we did that in 85. And it was kind of like a mini-U-N. I mean, there were guys in there with white robes from Saudi Arabia. I mean, everybody was there. It was very interesting. And so Klaus Schwab then started his World Economic Forum.

His first big event was 1987. that movie you mentioned that was done on me, the forecaster was done by Marcus Vetter. It was funded by a German TV station. Schwab paid him directly to do a movie on him called The Forum. Our date of 2032 is what he is taken and calls it the Great Reset. What he's trying to do is what our foresight. forecast is that that's when Republican forms of government basically collapse.

And we get to redesign our government. The same similar, like the American Revolution was against monarchy, and then we got to restart a new form of government. This is what will happen. Society goes through these events all the time. And if that was not true, we'd still all be speaking about. Babylonian, you know. So Schwab understands what our model is forecasting, and what he's trying to do is make sure it pushes in his direction of totalitarianism. And George Soros, look, I've, you know,

as a hedge fund manager, I traded against him, Buffett. We traded head to head. I mean, I cost Soros over a billion dollars when he was trying to manipulate the Japanese yen. So, I mean, it's a small world. We all kind of know each other. And, you know, so this is basically it. When Soros was going after the British pound, which made him all this money, I had been advising Margaret Thatcher. and they staged a coup to get her out because they wanted to take the pound into the euro.

And she was against it and I was against it. And so when Soros started shorting the pound in the European rate mechanism, which was the prelude to the euro, they were forced to call me. And I said, look, I said, you overvalued the pay. pound, you have to devalue the pound. And they said, we can't John Major ran on election and promised not to devalue the pound. I said, well, you know, unless you got about 10 billion pounds every day for, you know, indefinitely for weeks, you're not going to be able to defeat this. So I wrote a paragraph, gave it to him. I said, look, have them say we're going to allow the pound to float to seek its own

level. And they said, oh, brilliant. Okay, because it's not actually him devaluate. So that was the collapse in the pound. Soros made a ton of money out of it. But there was no other way out of it, really. So we all know each other, I mean, very closely. So a lot of people thought Soros was also behind my imprisonment. And, you know, they all. probably were to some degree because they felt that I was always their nemesis and I would say it's going to collapse and they would lose money and run to the government with a handout. So 2032 is the collapse of Republican forms of government. And what these people are trying to do, Soros in particular has this open society nonsense.

and he believes in a one-world government. And you can go to my site, Armstrong Economics.com, and search the French president, Holland. I have a video that I put on there of him standing there in parliament, alongside of Merkel, saying precisely that, that the whole reason behind creating the euro, in the EU was to prevent European war.

That a single government their theory is that ends war. And I told them, I said, look, Rome had a single government. How many civil wars did they end up with? You know, you can't put, you know, one policy

to everybody. And it's just absurd. I mean, you take Ukraine, what you know Zelensky's done to the Donbos outlawed their language and outlawed their religion what would happen in Canada if they all said okay Quebec you can no longer speak French you have to speak English and by the way you have I mean usually you could be in a civil war too you know let's just be practical about this stuff I mean it's personally I think they deliberately

are doing this to create war but you know that's just the way things go with these people. But that's where we're headed. Schwab is just trying to push it in his direction. And my computer says basically they will fail. You know, I've also been an advisor to so many different governments. And communism fell largely because because it was dehumanizing. It didn't matter, you know, what your talent was. We need somebody to push a broom over here. You're next in line go.

And I was actually summoned in by China when, you know, China was trying to go capitalist. So I was invited over. I flew over to Demetia Central Bank. and they took me to a facility, and you would have thought I was ahead of state and a motorcade and everything else. And this facility had hundreds of people in it,

and they were all downloading the internet from the internet, everything they could find. And with the Chinese, I will say they were substantially different from the Russians. Stalin was very paranoid. So he was concerned about what everybody thought. And if he thought you had any inclination for a revolution, you were sent off to the gulag and killed, basically.

In China, they were not really concerned about that, but it was more of what you called the tall poppy syndrome. Stick your head up and it will be cut off. So the difference was they did not really destroy, I would say, humanity as the Russians did. The Russians even wanted to destroy the family unit, that they told the children that your biological parents are not really yours. It's the state that takes care of you, that sort of thing. And in fact, I knew somebody that grew up in East Germany when the wall fell, his father went down and got the histosophy file.

And here everybody he thought was her friend was reporting on him. And he came back and started punching holes in the walls. And my friend thought his father was nuts. And now he's pulling microphones. It was that intense. And so when I was taking this facility in China, I was taken into this room and they were monitoring absolutely everything. They had 249 varieties of tea that they were tracking. But unlike the Russians, they were not interfering.

They were letting it all just take place. And so I was there and I was having to deal with questions that were very, fascinating. They were asked me, like there were 249 varieties at tea. Why is this one T selling for a lot more over here than over there? I said, well, where is it coming from? Well, here, I said, first, you have transportation costs. Oh, really? I said, yes. Okay. I said, secondly, I mean, somebody will pay more for something if they like this one better than that one. Whereas under communism, if it was a dollar here, it had to be a dollar over there, even it cost you $10 to get it there.

That's why it fell, totally inefficient. And that's the whole problem with socialism. There are different costs, and we all have different talents. And, you know, it certainly will cost less than manufacture or something where everybody is living, if it's Toronto or Vancouver, than to truck it all way up to Edmonton. There's going to be a cost to do that. You know, in communism, that was never taken into account.

So it was very fascinating. I learned a lot over the years from having to deal with the different governments and all different sides. It's just been an interesting 40 years, I would say. I would say 40 years that are very interesting, sir. When you look at Canada, you bring up China and what they're tracking and everything else. I don't know from just a minion out here in the West, I look at our leader and he seems to enjoy the Chinese model. And that's Justin Trudeau I'm talking about.

But when you sit and look at Canada, what does Socrates show you for the coming years between here in 2032 or what are you seeing coming down the pipe? Well, Canada will break apart, more or less the West against the East, the same as the United States is going to break apart as well. And so is Europe. You have different cultures. And, you know, you have, you know, Trudeau basically following this nonsense of climate change, et cetera, which, you know, climate has always changed. I mean, you know, they forgot the ice age. in school and warming periods, et cetera. How did we ever warm up without soccer moms driving SUVs to be around?

This is just the way it is. You're a cycle to absolutely everything. And in all honesty, it's the warming periods that when civilization expands. When you go into the cold periods, that's where we lose 50% of the population, et cetera. because of several factors. One is that when there is global cooling, crops fail. And you also, when they fail, basically disease rises. So there's correlations between this stuff.

I mean, it's simple as that. There's also correlations for global warming from the sun beats like your heart. These people, you know, they, in all forms of analysis, not just climate change, economics, you name it. They assume it's linear. So if it went up, you know, a half a degree today, oh, my God, we'll calculate that out for the next 50 years and we're all going to be dead. It doesn't work that way. Nothing works that way. Does the stock market go up every year without ever going down?

I mean, there's a cycle to absolutely everything. And there's even generational cycles that we go through. I mean, we do not necessarily always end up in the same place and agreeing with our parents. So, you know, I mean, you had my father grew up from the Great Depression. and so he was like against trading. Oh, that was evil. That's what caused the depression, et cetera.

So he didn't want to see me go in into trading. You know, that's his experience, and that's what he came out with it from. So we go through these periods of, and you could read them Cicero talking about pollution back in Rome because they were burning wood. The first Clean Air Act was 561 AD under the Emperor Justinian.

You know, and so, I mean, these things have aren't, there's nothing new. I mean, you know, if you look at it objectively, you'll see everything is always repeats. So they were burning wood for fuel back then. So we burned fossil fuels. I mean, you know, this idea that you're going to be able to. to eliminate CO2. I mean, it's just, it's not realistic. When I look at 2032 and do the math, roughly 8.6 years puts us awfully close here in, I don't know.

I don't know where that puts us in the cycle, but it puts us awfully close to 2023. If my math is correct, Martin. 2024. 2024. Do you see, you know, like there's a ton of heat going on right now with Ukraine, Russia, and, you know, this nuclear power plant and different things. Does Socrates predict war in, well, with NATO, and I don't know how it breaks it down, but like, are we going to see World War III?

Is that, you know, you mentioned breakup of Canada, the breakup of the United States, I don't know. Do you have any insight on that? Yes. I mean, our computer is showing that we'll end up in what will be international war, most likely starting from 25 into probably 27, 28. I mean, you can't bash all these people. I mean, nobody seems to be interested in peace. I mean, peace in Ukraine would be very simple. I mean, people don't realize, you know, all this propaganda, Zelensky, oh, we're fighting for democracy.

No, he's not. The Minsk agreement was supposed to allow the Donbos to write to vote, all right? And they're denying that. Refused to allow them to separate or vote. And people have to understand, right up to the river where Kiev is on, that used to to be Russia of the Tsars. Okay, so this is why so many Russian people are there. You know, they've been there for centuries.

Ukrainians, you know, are, it's really a land grab at this point. And we had two Ukrainian employees, one from Kiev and one from Dinesk, and both of them are hiding out now in Berlin. I mean, if you're really trying to care about your country, he should have sought peace from the beginning. He ran on elections promising peace. That's what they voted for. And then they get exactly the opposite. And honestly, I think he's just taking money from others that just profit from war.

And, I mean, he stands up and says, oh, Ukraine's going to be the biggest investment. for Europe ever, all the money coming in that's going to come here from Black Rock. And this is what he's looked. So, yeah, okay, fine, destroy everybody's house, and then we get to rebuild it like we did in Iraq. I don't think that's a very good solution. I mean, over 8 million people, almost, you know, more than a third of his population, have fled the country. I don't see where this benefits Ukraine at all. I mean, the Dombasa is basically, you know, they're Russians.

They've always been Russian. So let them go. I mean, you know, you've got your own country. Why are you destroying it? One of my, well, I can throw a shout out to Harley. He's, he wanted to ask you if you see inflation, deflation, or a mix of both in the years to come. Well, it will be a mix of both. But, I mean, initially our model was pretty.

projecting inflation all the way into 24. And it's important to understand that that was set in motion by the COVID nonsense. And why I call it nonsense is that I was actually given the program from a deep source in Britain, was asked to review the program that this guy, Ferguson, used. which was funded by Bill Gates to justify the lockdowns. I mean, I wrote a piece on it. I said, this is absolutely unbelievable. It's like a 1970s child's program.

And in the instructions, it said run it several times and then average the outcome. I mean, it was more like a child's game of SimCity, basically is what I told them. And they just wanted to love. lock down the world as the first exercise in power, and they intend to use this for climate change as well. But by locking us down, they cut off the supply chain. And, you know, I got plenty of emails from farmers that had to kill 30,000 chickens because they couldn't get

them in the market. And this is what caused the inflation. The inflation in this cycle was because of shortages, not speculation. So, I mean, even still to this day, I go, you know, shopping and sometimes that one thing is just not there anymore. And you got to come back to next day. So what do you do? Well, when it is there, you buy extra because it might not be there the next time. And so this kind of inflation is not going to be prevented by raising interest rates. That only makes it worse. But the central banks, the only thing they have is the interest rate to play with. So it basically makes the whole crisis even worse.

So then you add war to it. And war is always inflationary. So you have to understand that. And it's, you have a text message. It is, yeah. That's a great. That's somebody from the office calling. Yeah.

Yeah, sorry about that. That's great. That's a great ringtone right there. Well, I have two phones. You know, if people are wondering what Marty Armstrong's ringtone is, there you have it. That's the company phone. So I know that's the company. phone versus my personal one.

But, you know, this is basically what you have to look at. It's the inflationary cycle that we have is set in motion by the COVID shortages. And then all this money being dumped into Ukraine, war is the most inflationary aspect that there is. I mean, that's, you know, the Vietnam War broke, you know, Breton Woods. And this is what even Powell said. If people have to understand that a central bank cannot come out and outright say, look, you don't people, you're causing a real problem here. But if you look at Powell's speech at the end, he says,

and international considerations. So he's basically telling them, you keep spending on this war. and that's going to be inflationary and I'm going to have to raise interest rates. That's what he's telling him. But he's not going to come out and say, look, you people are causing this inflation because of this. And he's not going to come out and criticize him

and say, you cause this a whole inflationary cycle with COVID. You know, they just, that's just simply the way it is. I mean, I got called into the 1987 presidential, you know, commission on investigating that crash. And I told them, look, you set this in motion because of G5, up there telling people you wanted to see the dollar down by 40%. So if you read the end paragraph, basically of the Brady Commission report, the best that they could say is, well, we think foreign exchange had something to do with it. That's it. They can't come out and say, look, we cause it.

There's never going to be, you know, I say basically, no matter what government you go to, there's no mirrors there because they never see it. It's them. It's always us. Oh, man, that's a great way to put it. With a few minutes left, Marty, I was wondering, you said they intend to use it for climate change as well. And you were talking about their totalitarian lockdowns, that type of thing. Does a model show that coming here in the next, you know, nine years, essentially?

Oh, yeah. I mean, look, they're doing the lockdowns probably also because they are most of these governments are also aware of our model. And it shows rising civil unrest, wars coming. They know that. And I think the climate, you know, nonsense is all about justifying lockdowns. And if you lock everybody down, you prevent people from traveling, then they think they're protecting themselves against any kind of a revolution or civil unrest. Particularly Europe was doing that. I mean, you know, that you couldn't fly even between countries.

and that was to prevent anybody coming in and joining like the riots in France. This whole thing is just falling apart. The more they try to squeeze the lifeblood out of society, the more people will revolt against it. And you're going to see what you're seeing in France is not really that unusual. Well, I appreciate you giving me some time. Here's the final question. It's the last question of the podcast.

It's a crude master final question. It's if you stand behind a cause and stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Marty stands behind? Basically, I would have to say that, you know, they say the first casualty in war is always truth. And they have expanded that to government. You know, there is nothing whatsoever that they say that can be trusted. That's why they're shutting people down. They're doing everything they can to knock that off.

And it ends up being basically a period in time which they know is coming where people are just simply going to rise up against government for various reasons, but on a global scale. Well, I appreciate you giving me some of your time today. It has been, well, I joked about this, but I had a list of 10 people I wanted to get on here at the start of the year, and I put your name in that list and thinking, you know, maybe it can happen, you know. Certainly didn't know who you were a couple of years ago.

Now follow avidly your posts and your thoughts and everything else. I know the brothers as well do. And I just appreciate you coming on. what we can get you on again in the future because it's been, it's been a very enjoyable hour on this side. And thanks again for just giving me some time. Well, thank you for inviting me. It's always a pleasure.

We just, all we can do is hope to educate everybody we can.