Shaun Newman Podcast - (Replay) Episode #400 - Tamara Lich

Episode Date: December 10, 2023

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This is Tanner Nadee. I'm Trish Wood. This is Tammy Peterson. This is Curtis Stone. This is Quick Dick McDick. This is Carrie the Don, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. How's everybody doing on Sunday?

You're probably, I've had a few different texts. I might as well update everybody. I've been, everybody's been wondering, where on earth has all the substacks gone, Sean? Well, now they're populating up, but you're like, you know, you may be listen to Tammy Peterson, and there was no substack. Then you listen to Preston Manning. And if you haven't, that was Thursday, Friday this week and there was no substacks. Well, on this end, it has been a little bit,

I don't know, hectic, I guess is going to be the word, sick kids. I think everybody's got the flu and everything going around and it was everything I could do to get the episodes out and recorded when you got the flu going through and everything else. So the thing that took the brunt of it was substack, but as you can see, they're coming out. I do appreciate everybody's and I do appreciate everybody, you know, reaching out. They're like, substack. Did they get raced? Where did it go?

Did you? And I'm like, no, it's all there. I just, yeah, it, if you have been a parent, are a parent, our young parent, and your children get sick, all things go pretty much by the wayside. And I was fortunate enough to get, you know, I was like, how the heck am I going to get it? Like, I'm like scrambling. And, of course, you know, scrambling still.

got Tammy Peterson for a second time and then obviously Preston Manning for the first time. So I guess I kind of feel like Patrick Mahomes at times when I'm scrambling in the backfield still seem to be pulling some things together. But it's been a hectic week. I'm hoping on this side that the kids are feeling better and hopefully all you are feeling better

and hopefully Jack's feeling better. Jack, who's editing this out in St. Louis, he was under the weather for the week as well. So it seems like it's going around Now, today's replay number seven on the top 10 countdown. I don't think this lady needs any introduction. Tamara Leach, I was fortunate enough to sit down with her back in March when I was doing my SMP Presents Legacy Media.

Of course, that night she was in attendance. We sat up in the hotel room. I kind of had done a makeshift studio in there. and it was the first time I've ever gotten to interview Tamara. And up until this point, she'd had media silence that basically she wasn't allowed to talk to media. And this was one of the first interviews she did, breaking her media silence on, you know, everything that she's been through. And just like a surreal, you know, like I met Tamara in Ottawa, you know, and then to finally get to sit across from her on the eve of a big legacy media event was super, super cool.

And since then I've got to interact with her several times. You know, we've brought her to Lloyd Minster for the kids' sake. And then I've been out to Colonna with her now on a bit of her book tour as well. So it's been an interesting little ride. And this is, you know, it's no surprise it's in the top 10. You might have wondered whether they've been higher or not. but here it is. So on the weekend, you know, you had, you had, well, actually, over the last two weekends,

you had Robert Malone, Dr. Robert Malone, Ken Drysdale, now the Army guys yesterday and Chuck Pradneck and Jamie Sinclair, and today you have Tamara Leach. One of the things I always love about counting down the top episodes of the year is the diversity, you know, like of backgrounds in these people. and certainly enjoyed sitting with Tamara. Obviously, you enjoyed that as well. And here today on Sunday is the replay of it, so please enjoy. And yeah, well, next week we'll have six and five for you.

Anyways, here's number seven. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Tamara Leach. So, ma'am, thanks for doing this. Thank you so much for having me. Long overdue. Long overdue, isn't it? Yeah.

You know, I, I, we, uh, for the listener, we're sitting in Emmington, you know, we, we got, uh, for me, I have, um, SMP presents, uh, coming up on, which will be tomorrow to the listener, because they'll listen to this Friday. We're sitting here Thursday night. And, uh, I don't know, I feel honored, but it's, it's strange because, uh, obviously we saw each other in Ottawa. And that's, you know, where I think the trust comes from, is the early days of, of being in Ottawa and kind of like running into each other over and over and over again. So it's either way, super cool for you to be here. Thank you. Well, I mean, I was a fan of years before I met you. That's why I was sort of fan girling over you in Ottawa. Really? Yeah. I tell this often. I mean,

when we got there, of course, and the doctors were there and there was all these journalists there that I'd followed all through the whole pandemic. And, you know, most girls like hot rocks. stars or guitar players or actors and I'm totally like fan-girling over these doctors and journalists. Well, I fan-boid over walking in. I trekkled. The first day I got to the Eric Hotel, I walked in and standing in the lobby was Hodkinson, Hodgkinson, Paul Alexander. Paul Alexander. There was Francis Christian. Eric Payne. And I was like, hey, I've interviewed like all of you. I like know all of you. And I walked around and shook hands and whatever.

And then, of course, Dan Bulford showed up either that night or the next night. And it was kind of like this everybody got together moment, which I think a lot of us have been kind of hoping would have happened. I don't think we drew up. Oh, I certainly didn't draw up that, especially all at the same hotel that I was going to stay at. You know, and it was kind of fateful almost, you know, because I'd had that hotel room bought for me by a guy from Lloyd Minster who, said, you know, I don't know, I can't even remember how it was, but he's like, I got a room for you. So just come to this place. And I was just, you know, like, how does that all make sense? It doesn't make sense. That's right. But that was the way that the whole thing went, right?

It just, things just happened naturally and organically and, and everybody came together that needed to be brought together. You know what I mean? Kind of. Yeah. Like, it was very, it's hard to explain to people that weren't there. And honestly, even being there, I'm like, I don't even know if I fully understand the circumstances that let us all there. Now, I'm going to say this, and I already know that 99.9% of my listeners know exactly who you are. But as I told Dr. Robert Malone just a few days ago, maybe there's a couple of people who don't know who you are. So I'm curious. In Tamara's words, who is Tamara?

I am just a girl that was raised on the prairies. I grew up in Saskatchewan, born and raised, moved to Medicine Hadd in the late 90s when there was an Alberta advantage. And then I also spent some time in Manitoba a couple times too. So I spent a lot of time on the prairies. I grew up in a home where we constantly were taking in strangers. you know, my parents would pick up hitchhikers and bring them home and we'd feed them or dad would give them money or, you know, we'd have strangers on our couch in the morning, you know, I was just raised in a home where you helped people that needed help. And, yeah, so I moved to Alberta,

got into oil and gas and that was primarily my, most of what I did for my career to date. And yeah, I've got three kids and four grandkids, and I got involved, obviously, politics. I want to know what part of Saskatchewan? I'm curious. You know, I joke with twos about this all the time. It's like Saskatchewan has taken over the world. Like, it kind of figuratively, obviously, but like it seems like everybody has roots to Saskatchewan. We are a weed or something that just in the best sense that just seems to have spread.

and everybody has ties back to Saskatchewan. I find it very, I don't know, I'm curious maybe. But I guess I'm interested where you grew up in Saskatchewan. You know, Elon Musk has ties to Saskatchewan for Pete's sake. Yeah. I was, we lived all over. My dad bought grain for the wheat pool when I was young, so we moved quite often. But my parents are from Kornak, Saskatchewan.

They were born and raised there. And so I've lived in Kornak, Alida, Shonovan, Frontier, East End, Cid. Jimmy dollared. If that isn't Saskatchewan, I don't know what is. It is. Yeah, it's the flat, no tree part of Saskatchewan, though, not the gorgeous, you know, hills and lakes and trees part. It's funny, because, you know, I'm born and certainly from a farm, but, you know, we come from Hillmont and there, you know, I always, you know, growing up, somebody's like, well, where are you from? And I'm like, oh, you're not going to know.

I'll say Lloyd Minster. And they're like, well, no, no, where were you from? And then you say Hillman. And everyone's like, yeah, I don't know. Well, that's right, because, you know, half the time it isn't even on the bloody map, let alone, you know. But funny story. Jim Patterson, Patterson signs, very successful. I got to go interview him. This is, geez, the summer of 2020, I think. Has it been that long? I suppose it has. And he has, the reason I got let through the doors, I'm told, by his assistant is because I told him I was from Saskatchew.

As soon as I heard that, they have welcomed me in. And he, after we did our interview, he was, He's like just so proud to show me everything. He was about 91, I think, at the time. I haven't, I assume he's still alive, and I feel sorry for even saying that, because I'm pretty sure he's still with us. But he was just proud to show him all these things of his life, and he had this giant map of Saskatchewan. He's like, where are you from?

And I'm like, oh, it probably isn't on there. And then I started looking. I'm like, holy crap, that's where I'm from. Right there. Helmand is on this map and this, you know, very successful businessman. And then he goes in, that's where I'm from. And we were, you know, like, I don't know, like three inches apart. Three inches apart.

you know and in Saskatchew it that's pretty darn close yeah yeah cool well yeah i'm curious okay how does you know i i i i feel i'm a pretty uh simple plain jane guy you know and i found my way to ottawa how does tamara get involved in this started with this i didn't even i didn't even know like where's the origin story how does this begin it yeah it's it's crazy well Well, I guess for me, I started paying attention to politics before Stephen Harper was elected. And I mean, because until then, you know, my eyes would glaze over. I didn't care, didn't want to know. It was boring.

And it was really the sponsorship scandal that really opened my eyes to what was going on. The age was John Critchin's government there when they were paying. it was just I hate to say typical but it's true it was just your typical political scams you know

money and stuff anyways so that kind of really opened my eyes to things that were going on so I followed it through the media news media you know for the next few years

and then I just I started getting as I came back to Alberta and I got back into the oil patch and I started seeing what you know, the government, the Bill C-69 and Bill C-48 and that type of legislation that was really affecting people that I knew, you know, like I said in my testimony at the POEC, I mean, I remember a couple years ago, you know, grown men bringing me their resumes because I just got laid off two weeks before Christmas, like crying, you know, over this stuff. And I thought, well, this

doesn't make any sense. I mean, Canada has the most environmentally friendly. and energy efficient oil and gas industries in the world. Like we should be screaming it from the rooftops. And so I got involved with a local group, because finally I just had enough, and I said, I got to do something. I have to help here if I can. And there was a local group of, I guess, activists,

for lack of a better word, that were having rallies every weekend. And they were modeling themselves at that time after the Yellow Vest movement in France. And so I got involved, met some really, great people and we went and did these rallies every Saturday with our signs on the side of the road by Tim Hortons and Medicine Hadd. I mean, we got a little bit of attention, but, you know, after a while, of course, that just kind of went away and I went back to living my life.

And when Trudeau won the 2019 election, I became a part of Wexit. you probably remember the whole Oh yeah I went in Oh, who is the guy Who is the guy who? Peter Downing. Sorry, yes

Yeah, I went and watched him Speak in Lloyd. Yeah. Yeah, I think 2019, you know, for a lot of people, I remember watching that election. First election,

maybe folks that I've ever watched start to finish. And I've talked an awful lot about me just living under a rock or maybe not being the right age or maybe, you know, it certainly is a lot of things that happened since like Trudeau getting in times in almost perfectly with us having our first child.

And I think as soon as you have kids, you start thinking differently about the world. And now you have someone to protect and think for and try and anyways. Lots of different things. 2019, I was sitting on the coach and I couldn't believe it. Like it just and he and he's going to win. And I and then you saw the anger come from Western Canada. And so I went and I went and listened to him talk. in Lloyd. And I just knew at that time that wasn't it. And maybe that was the wrong thought. I don't know.

But obviously it didn't end up growing into anything more. And maybe now we're finding out how we won that election. Fair. I mean, because I was both the last, the last ones, that both of them, I was just stunned because it's just been scandal after scandal after scandal. And I'm thinking, who is voting for this man? Yeah. Like, how can you watch the last one? You watch the this kind of behavior? I mean, I think they're ethical issues of, like, gone off the charts. They're probably unprecedented. Well, and everything he stood for, you know, or says he stands for, you know, women, minorities, first nations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I don't need to list them off. Well, I mean, you get Trudy Wilson-Raybold. You got the first National

reconciliation day instead of you know whether you were for or against the day put that to the side put yourself in that position what would you be doing I would assume I'd be in Ottawa with a bunch of the chiefs or something along that lines showing

having a big ceremony and like I don't even know bringing people together is in my brain instead he's in Defino surfing thing. And I'm just like, well, you've just, in my brain, I'm like, good, you've just pissed off the entire First Nations culture. Like, every person in that group should be just absolutely want to appalled. Appalled. Appalled. That was so disrespectful, in my opinion. I couldn't believe it either. And, you know, it's funny that you say that because the clan mothers, I don't know if you ever met the clan mothers when you were in Ottawa with us, but there was two that, that I was with often and know,

and Sandra. And when Nolene did her witness statement for the public inquiry, like she said right in it, she's 60, late 50s, early 60s, a Dene clan mother from the yellow knife. And she said that the convoy in Ottawa was the closest thing to an actual reconciliation that she's witnessed in her lifetime, which is pretty profound. Well, I don't need to tell you this. This is probably more for just the listener, but, um, Ottawa was like, it didn't matter if your faith, your color, your creed, your,

your, your social, economic status, anything. I've never seen anything so, like, just beautiful in the fact of how people were treating each other, how they were looking out for one another, how they were just like, I don't know, I, I've said this lots. It's the first time I've ever fed the homeless.

I just, and in saying that, a guy should be doing that more, right? But it took Ottawa to do that. And then watch them talk about how it was, you know, white supremacy and all these different things. And I'm like, have you been like, like you keep talking that way? How will you come down and see what's going on here, right? I learned more history.

Do you remember all the flags? There was, you know, I was, I told Quebec here, like, you know, Quebec, I still remember being out on Parliament Hill when Quebec showed up the first night. showed up in about one in the morning all the trucks came in and they just played their horn like it was magnificent one of those memories

I will never forget and I was never more proud to see like the Quebec flag come in and be side by side with Alberta because we were told we're you know and we talked about this last you're supposed to hate each other that's right so that fell away right away

and then there was a bunch of what I learned was different First Nations flags and I'd never you know now this might be Sean not reading his history that's fair enough but then you know everybody started talking about these people why are you carrying that flag you know everybody focused on the the uh the uh the the the nazi flag and what was the other one confederate one i didn't see any of those the crazy thing is is anyone on the ground certainly uh it was there

it's not i'm not saying it wasn't we've all heard the story of you know and and certainly how they tried to portray it but the amount of flags that were there like you saw all these different flags And if you asked the stories on them, it was all these, like, beautiful stories of First Nations supposed to be working in harmony with either the French or the English way back when. Like, that was, it was a history lesson. You walked out, you saw all these different people that were told were supposed to hate. A, that wasn't there. That's right. And then, two, it was a history lesson for me with all the different flags and what they meant and were supposed to mean that nobody knew about.

And you're like, huh, anyways. Well, yeah, and that was the great thing about it. I mean, like you just said, you just nailed it. And I've said that all along, too. It didn't matter what color you were, what God you worshipped, what part of the country you lived in. You know, I've told the story a million times, but, you know, we're coming through Winnipeg on our way to Ottawa. And, you know, there's native drummers, like in their full regalia, banging their drums on the side of the highway. And there's Sikh men standing beside them and nuns in full habits.

And then these hutterite ladies with signs and their little kids. kids and that's when that really hit me because I was like look at all this diversity and inclusion yeah that's actually really happening nobody cared who you were or like not who you were but where you came from or what you did for a living you know it was the biggest show of unity and the Canadian spirit that I've ever seen maybe since Terry Fox I see I don't remember Terry Fox. I do remember Terry Fox. So I always, well, I always point out it was like the Sydney Crosby goal in Vancouver,

times like I don't even, I don't even know. For Canadians, I just say, imagine your specific team won the Stanley Cup, all of them at the same time, on the same day, in the same year, and everybody went out and celebrated. Except the difference is, is being on that highway and seeing the level of desperation in people, like, you got to, you got to stay. You got to stay there and you're going to make sure that when you come back, this is all gone. And people are weeping and people are like giving you the amount of, you know, I interviewed somebody before I left. And they were talking about how they couldn't store any more food in their vehicle. They were just like, you just got to come and see it. Like you can't understand how much food is in here.

And I just, I keep telling them, like, I got no more. But you feel bad for not taking it. So you just keep taking it and putting it on the floor or whatever. and certainly nobody was exaggerating. It was everybody, the level of desperation, like, can you imagine sitting out in minus 40 weather on the side of a highway with a bonfire and just losing your absolute crap in excitement as this convoy that's four hours late because instead of going at 80 kilometers an hour, it's doing like 22 kilometers an hour at the best of times. Right?

Like, I just, I don't even, someday my kids will be older, and I'll try and explain it to them. I don't even know how to, because, like, the CBC should have been there the entire way. Should have rode shotgun the entire time and just film the entire thing. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen come out of Canada. Agreed. And in our least, anyways, I'm. I agree. And yeah, you're right.

I mean, people would be like, don't, don't come back. You stay there until these mandates are gone. And, you know, you know, stay there until you're bringing our free. comes back. And, you know, it was, I've spoke a lot about that, too. I mean, the stories that I've heard, I'm sure that you've heard, and everybody on that convoy heard, are heartbreaking. But they also show a resilience. Like, Canadians are a special people. Well, I think even more so now than I did, you know, a year and a half ago. But, I mean, we naturally want to help people. And we naturally want to be together and celebrate who we are. And we should be. I mean, this is one of the

things that I find so frustrating about the last, let's say, eight years is that, you know, we've been constantly been told by our leader that we should feel ashamed, that we should be apologizing for things that we had nothing to do with. You know, I would love to see him come out one day and just celebrate Canada and Canadians and the people that are in it, instead of trying to pick and poke and pull people apart from my perspective, you know. But, I mean, even the Quebecers, like you said, I mean, that was my first big epiphany before we even left as communicating with them and, you know, helping them organize.

Because we had the road captains, all the road captains from, you know, all the provinces. And I had, like, messenger chats with all of them, you know, And when the Quebecers came on board, I was blown away, totally blown away. And exactly like you said, because I thought, this has all been a goddamn lie. They're just like us, just the same, you know. But that's not what we hear out here through the media. Yeah, that's probably, I assume, the journey you've had, which is beyond unique.

I assume one of the things that has to sting the most is how the media has portrayed you. How, you know, I don't even know. I don't even know. Do they, did they ask to have you on? Would you oblige to have, you know, would you, I don't know. Well, we decided very early on, obviously I recognized, I saw how fast this was growing. And I was like, well, we need a finance committee. We need a social media committee.

We need a media committee, like a, you know, and us, you know. And we decided kind of early on that we were going to be very choosy about the media that we dealt with. Because they have not respected us by telling the truth for years. I don't know when it started. I'll tell you when I noticed it. Because I was that woman that got up every morning, made her coffee, sat down, watched the news, the Canadian news loops. I'd watch the first loop and then I'd start getting ready and listen to them, you know. And I listened and I watched the news.

every day and it was the 2016 election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when I started really paying attention to the, I think you still call them anchors, I don't even know, the anchor people, I would watch their tone, their facial expressions when they would be talking about Clinton and then they would change when they'd start talking about Trump, almost get the smarmy look on their face. Their tones would change. the descriptors that they would use would change. And I thought, what's happening here?

Like, you're not supposed to be there giving me your opinion. You're just supposed to be telling me the facts. And I watched this progress through that whole time period, and it just got worse and worse and worse. And so, I mean, they lost a lot of our trust, I think, a lot of the trust of a lot of people. So we were quite choosy about who we were going to talk to when we got there. So I remember Benjamin had set up.

the first press conference and we didn't invite any like ctv cbcbc global we you know had and rupa and uh i think kean bexdy was there and uh alexa from rebel news was there you know we had different independent journalists um and kind of as a you know we're on to you we see what you guys are doing and we're not going to play into it and if i've got one big lesson in all of this it's been dealing with glen mcgris from CTV news that guy cracks me up he's a something why what did what about him well I just mean his tactics oh sorry just to go back to your question yeah there was a lot of media different media reaching out to me through email and text but I got so busy that I couldn't

even answer them but I know I know CBC has reached out to me and CTV for sure had reached out to me I guess the behavior that I've seen from Glenn McGregor was quite disgusting to me. And just one example was my last bail hearing when I was released from jail in the summer. And of course, I've got friends there to help, you know, help me get out and get me to this vehicle. Because I never knew who's going to be anti-protesters out there or whatever. And so my friend brings the car to the friend. And we'd been in these bail hearings for two days because I don't have normal bail hearings. What do you mean?

I don't have normal like half a day bail hearings. Mine usually take two full days for some reason. Okay. And Glenn McGregor had been in these hearings for two days, limping, because I think he had a ball injury or something. I don't know, limping on his one bad leg. And my friend said he went and got the car to get it. And all he could see when I was coming out was a blue streak running across the parking lot. it was Glenn.

Anyways, we come out of the courtroom, and if you see the video, you can kind of see me, you know, kind of move to the side because there was a commotion over here. And it was Glenn McGregor running in and elbowing his way through people

trying to get him and his camera in to shove a microphone in front of my face. Like it was no excuse me, sir, ma'am, it was literally just, somebody, I think somebody calls him Punchy McGregor now.

I can't remember me. It was Derek Smith. I don't know what. Like, just obnoxious and rude and any dealings that I had with him in some of the bigger press conferences that we did in Ottawa. The first one that we did at the Marriott, I don't know if you were, you were probably there. You were still in Ottawa then anyways.

Well, we've had this chat about what Sean does. So, you know, there's foggy parts for sure. And no, I had to catch up. When I got home, I had to like, you know, took my time. But then I just slowly started watching some of it again to kind of catch up on what I'd missed because there was a good chunk that I hadn't paid attention to. I had real hard time for about a month after even catching up on up to speed on what it went on. You know, one of the tough days, you know, I've talked to you about what my thoughts on Chris Barber is.

And certainly if people have listened to this, they know that I think very highly of them. And seeing him get arrested, I didn't believe it at first. I'm like that that isn't our like wire no no and then you know more came out more came on certainly they'd arrested him and I was like and he is the farthest thing from a criminal well or even a bad human being I mean he's typical great human being he'll he'll call out everything he's done wrong and he's trying to learn from it right isn't isn't that what we want it that's the whole point of living your life in my opinion right yeah yeah I know and it has testimony at the POEC, you know, he's the first person to get up and own that, you know, maybe he hasn't

always had PC points of view, right? Maybe he has had some things that people might question, but that whole experience changed him. I mean, how could it not? How could it not? Right? It changed all of us, I think. Well, you know, for the listener who never went, they probably get tired of hearing, I don't know, actually, I've never asked. It's just, it's hard to, I mean, you go and experience something like that. You're never, like, like, how do you come out of that knot, seeing the world different? Right. You don't have to go spiritual or nothing.

You just go, you literally touch that and seeing, you know, the first day on that street and how much snow was there and how hard it was slogging. And then the shovels came out when the wheelchair came and nobody, anyways, and right, we all know the story. But I remember walking the street and being like, what is, like, this, is. Like this, it was easier to walk on the street The street was almost clear The sidewalk, you know I won't put words in anyone's mouth The snow on the sidewalk was insane

It was like fresh powder It was difficult to walk I think that that paints a good image For most people like it was tough And then you know the wheelchair And they're like we can't get it And all of a sudden the shuffle came out And then from that point on

That sidewalk was like spotless Well that's because the guys went and bought a whole bunch of shovels Right? Yeah we were So you you participate participate in that, you come away from it. If that's all you participate in, for the rest of the time, that's what you're going to remember. Who does that?

Nobody? I've never seen that done in my life. Like, I've never even heard anything like that. You don't go to... It was the cleanest city. It was the safest city. We were shoveling snow and salting the ice and feeding the homeless. I remember garbage being an issue at one point.

and then somebody came with all the garbage bags and started taking away all the garbage and then there was like a garbage bag like every 10 feet like I've never seen that many you're like oh garbage oh great or I could put it over there's just garbage bags everywhere so there was just the level of that I remember the Terry Fox monument and there was people watching all day after you know the incident and and so people were standing guard and I remember a couple saying you know I just got to go home. And I'm like, I'll go stand guard, not a big deal. And so I was walking down there the one night to go like take over shift or whatever.

And I got down there. And there was like, no less than 15 people just standing around. Oh, what's going on? Oh, we all just came down now. I'm like, oh, I'm not, what the heck am I doing? I'm going to go back home now. I'm going to go grab a nap or whatever, right? Like that just spread.

It was such a sense of community. That's, you know, it was a beautiful, beautiful community. and people just looking out for each other. And it was always very much see a need, fill a need, you know. Like if people saw something that needed to be done, like picking up garbage, they would just pick up garbage. Or if they saw snow that needed to be shoveled, they would just shovel snow. Like nobody was telling anybody what to do.

You know what I mean? And that's why it was so beautiful. There was nobody saying, you guys go get shovels and go shovel Metcalfe. Right? People just saw that and did it because they knew that it needed to be done. I was standing out, sitting with a guy in a half time. This is the one, I don't know what night this is, but it's like 9.30 at night. And I'm sitting there and I'm talking to them. And we're just having a friendly conversation.

And certainly anyone who crossed my path in that time, I just talked to everybody because I'd early on been told Antifa was everywhere. And so I was just like, oh, that's a terrible thing to tell me, because that's the terrible thing to tell me, because that's like fear through the roof. And I'm like, I didn't come here to be fear, you know. So I just started talking everybody. So I, you know, I'm sitting, you know, and there was a guy sitting in his half tunnel all by himself.

So I just walked up and we started talking. And here was this. They were, there was, there was four of them. And I'm like, are you seeing this? And he's like, what? And I'm like, look at them. And we just, people watched. There's four people walking in a, in a circle of essentially the block,

which they were on, you know, by that time, everybody was worried about nails in front of tires. and people doing things like that. But what they were also doing was they were scanning for garbage. And it was like you could just, they'd take about five steps and they'd look and then they'd grab it. I'm like, this is wild. This is in the middle of Ottawa. People are walking in a circle at 9.30 at night picking up garbage.

Like think about that. And we're like, yeah, this is wild. Like, you know, I can, you have this on steroids. I just laugh. Like when you talk about how Ottawa changes, it's like, because you saw things there that I've never ever seen in my life. and I don't even know how to recreate it. Yeah, that's right. Well, how can you?

Can it be recreated? I don't think so. Not the convoy, but what was experienced in the convoy? The sense of community and the unity? I believe so because I think fundamentally that's who most of Canadians are. I really do. And I mean, it's supposed to happen on Canada Day, you know, in a perfect world. Canada Day has always been one of my most favorite holidays, always, until, of course, the last few years.

And I actually just stopped. I didn't go to fireworks anymore and nothing. And it was a crying shame. I was so excited for Canada Day again this year finally, and I spent it in jail instead. Let's talk about jail. You know, one of the, how many days was it? It was 18, the first stint? Yeah.

30, roughly the second. Yeah, 30 the second. I believe it's 48 total. 48 total. Yeah. In this time frame, everybody knows you're sitting there, but nobody has any idea. Like, you know, honestly, like, this is, this is in the last, what has been about month, you did Trishwood, you've done Rupa. I saw you did Western Standard.

I feel honored to be in that little grouping, you know. And, but before that, I haven't heard. Jack Squad from him. And, you know, there were some stories while you're in prison that rush across the headlines and then people are firing texts everywhere. No, Tamara's fine. You know, give the audience.

Give me. I mean, did you ever think you were getting out? Like, I don't think you, like, did you think you were going for that long? I certainly didn't. I mean, we, of course, you know, having some former or ex-law enforcement people that were involved. you know, in the organization or became involved in the organization. Typically what happens is we knew that it was possible.

I mean, it's always possible that we could get arrested. Hell, it was possible that we could be shot. I remember telling that to Chris Barber. Like, on the way to Ottawa, I said, we don't know what we're walking into here. Like, we don't know if we're going to get arrested. We don't know if we're going to get shot. Like, you know, we just had no idea what to expect as we got closer. to Ottawa. So anyways, typically what happens is, you know, you're arrested if it's not like a serious,

like a firearms charge or murder, well, even murderers, I guess, get out right away. You typically, they book you a bail hearing right away and they get you out. You'll sign, you know, your own recognizance or whatever and off you go. And so, of course, that was a Thursday that we were both arrested. Chris got his bail hearing the next day or was it Saturday. Anyway, so he was released and sent on his way home. And then they'd booked my, the remainder of my hearing for the Tuesday after the long weekend. So the same justice or judge, I can't remember, bourgeois, had the entire weekend to see this massive military style takedown. So, the same justice. So, So when she came in and delivered her decision on that Tuesday, I was stunned.

I was literally stunned. I mean, she tore up one side of me and down the other. She was talking about how I was too dangerous to be let back out in her community. Like she said my community about 12 times, I think, which it's not, you know, she's supposed to be a judge and she's not supposed to be biased. when you start saying stuff like that, your bias is showing. Anyways, yeah, so she remanded me in custody, and I was completely shocked. I had no idea at that point what to expect.

I mean, I certainly didn't think I was going to be in there for 18 days the first time. Is there a point in the 18 days where you're like, am I ever getting out of this thing? Because, you know, I've heard you talk, and I forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong, but you know like I feel like you've said at some point like you know if they take me for not 18 but if they take me for the next year like I'm ready I'm I can handle this totally ready you know but 18 days is kind of a lifetime like to not know when you're you know oh and here's the light at the end of the tunnel you're going to be out this day and don't worry about it we'll get you out and whatever else well I think the worst part in that scenario is that you never know I mean you just

hearing and and then a few days later you get a decision so and because the court system is is completely a disaster right now I mean you don't get in to see a judge you don't get before a judge in a timely fashion I mean a prime example is you know I was arrested on February 17th of 2022 my trial is hopefully going to start on September 5th of 2023 that's a year and a half you know I haven't even been found guilty and, you know, and I'm living under these crazy conditions. And I haven't been found guilty of a crime. So, I mean, the whole thing is, it's craziness. And I certainly never expected it to be that long.

And I think that's the thing you don't ever have, like, okay, on this day, I'm going home. Because you just never know. I mean, you never know what the judge's decision is going to be. You know, the last day, a prime exam. the last, my last hearing in the summer, I remember, like, not knowing, I didn't know if he was going to release me. I didn't know what was going on. Right at the end there when he said, I don't know if you watched my last hearing at all, but anyways, he heard the submissions. The judge says, I'll be back in 15 minutes. And I was like, oh, my God, I think I'm getting out

today. And the bailiff that took me out into the cell in the hallway, she was like, you're going home today and I said no and I kind of started shaking because I didn't want to get my hopes up right because I'm very much I always try to be a realist I don't want to I don't want to be disappointed and and yeah so that that like probably three minutes that it took him to read his decision felt like three hours because I still until they took off my handcuffs and my shackles and what let me out of the prisoner's box didn't believe that it that it was going to happen do I was talking I was with my father about this. When they put

shackles on your legs, were you like, really? Did you just like, really, guys? Like, do we really need shackles? I'm being held on, what, mischief? Yeah. Alleged. Alleged? Mischiff? Mischiff, folks.

Yeah, that's right. Like, this. Bizarro land. Totally. I never seen anything like it. Yeah, and I didn't know what to expect. But, you know, I, like, I did that video, of the night before and I was totally at peace with it. I just thought everything, everything till that point that happened was supposed to happen. And I mean, so many things were exposed during

that period of time. And so when I was arrested, I mean, of course I had a little bit of anxiety about the unknown, because I've never been through this process before, but I didn't feel like afraid or afraid for my life. I did have a moment in there the first time where I was like, I could see how I could be Epstein in here. I mean, I was in solitary confinement. I had a couple of officers come in that said that they dealt with high-profile cases, and they wanted to know if I was worried about my safety, and then they kind of explained to me how things go in jail if the girls don't like you. And then they said, well, are you worried? And I said, well, I kind of am now. I mean, I felt fine before you guys hauled me into this room and told me this terrible stuff, but, but

I just thought, you know what, there's obviously more work to be done. He's not finished with me yet. So, you know, I can camp. Did you, you mentioned solitary confinement. Did they do that? Was that, like, one day, all the days? It was the first week, at least, for sure, that I was arrested in the winter. And I guess it was probably their COVID policy, right, because we had to be separated.

quarantined for 14 days. So they had me downstairs in the dungeon. It was a literal dungeon for at least five, five or six days. And then they moved me up to cell block. And there was actually, ironically, another girl named Tamara was in the cell in solitary confinement beside me downstairs. And so because we'd come in, I guess, at the same time, they put both of us in the same cell block upstairs. Two Tamaras. Who would have known? That's kind of an odd. And then when I was in jail in the same place in the summer, there was another Tamaria in there. So it's funny because I never hear that name very often.

So to have three of us in jails was quite humorous. You know, it's funny to think they'd put you in solitary for COVID, but that was the world we were in back then. I mean, it's an insane thought, but that was where we were at back then. And I had never considered that before, because I don't. live in that world, but I spent two days with a rag cleaning graffiti off my walls, because there's, it's jail, there's some nasty stuff on the walls. And I thought, if I need to be here, I need to make this my space, and I need to be comfortable in my space. So I went to work and I started scrubbing all this graffiti off, except for the nice stuff. And one of the things that was on the wall,

when it really hit me that COVID affected these people too, prisoners, It was heartbreaking. It was something to the effect of the first 14 days are the hardest, you know, you're going to get through this kind of like hang on, hang in there, brighter days are coming. And I remember reading that and I got teary-eyed because I'd never even thought of it from their perspective before. I mean, you have no control over that, at least at home and medicine hat. We're locked down and in our homes, but I have my husband there or my children, right? Um, when you're in jail, you don't even have that. You don't have any control.

They just separate you and you get stuck all by yourself for two weeks, minimum 14 days. No one to talk to. No TV. You know, I mean, I think it took them four or five days to even get me a book. I was begging for a book. I'll take a Bible. I will take anything you have, you know, because there's long days. It was the first book that gave you?

I did end up getting a Bible. The first book, I think it was a fiction book about Napoleon. It was kind of weird the books that I ended up reading in jail because they all had something relevant to my situation. I read like an 800-page book on Mary Queen of Scots when I was in the last time. And I say that's what jinxed me. in my first bail hearing in the summer because I got this book and I was Mary Queen of Scots. I really wanted to read this biography.

And I thought I shouldn't start this book because I have a hearing in like two days. And so there's no point. And so I think I jinxed myself by starting it because I had to stay there until I finished it. And I did. You know, if that isn't glass half full, I don't know what is. You know, like 18 days followed by 30. I want to, you talk about cleaning the space and you kept the positive message. Was there anything, you mentioned the 14 days, which I think is really good for people to hear.

Was there anything else on the walls that caught you by surprise or like, oh, that's a beautiful message. There was, there was another one. I can't remember exactly what it said, but it had something to do with this lady that, I think she had lost her job or something. I can't remember exactly what it was but it was moving too and then there was a couple of like hearts that were written

that they'd been drawn on so I left those up and I just got rid of everything else You know it it must have been you know sticking with being in jail like I mean

you get out you come back to Alberta What were the stipulations you had on you, or still have on you? What are... I was banned from Ottawa. I was banned from Ontario. You're not allowed in Ontario. Well, I am now because we did have that changed.

Okay. But isn't that hilarious, though? Like, how are you banned in Ontario? Anyways, um, uh, non-contacts orders with like Chris and Pat and Benjamin, Tom Marazzo, And then some people that I don't even know. Like there's people on my non-con that I've never even met. I have no idea who they are. But apparently I'm not supposed to talk to them.

So that makes that easy. I've not allowed to organize, promote protests or rallies of any kinds, especially surrounding COVID-19 mandates. Obviously, I can't organize a convoy or anything like that. Now my conditions have been changed that I can be in Ottawa. but I am not allowed in the red zone downtown. So I think that's, I'm sure I'm missing some. But they're just really crazy conditions,

especially for someone that's never had a, like, I've never been arrested, I have no criminal record. Not on social media. No, yeah, sorry, that's the big, big one, yeah. I'm not allowed to log into social media, post to social media, or ask anybody to post onto social media on my behalf, or indicate my approval.

I don't know. It's bizarre. Has that been, I always think that you, Chris, Tom, all these different people were like, best of friends and you, you know, but the truth of the story, that probably is not at all,

I mean, at least before. Right, yeah, we didn't even know each other before, right? The fact that you can't just have like a evening sasperilla, sit across from somebody and just, I don't know, even just like share some stories about like, man, that was, that was, that was, that was, deep brief. Thank you. Debris, yeah. And, you know, in the military, I remember Tom Marazo talking about this, like, when they get deployed and their tours over, they don't just don't get on a plane and go home to their families. They go to an island, I think he said it was Cyprus, but I'm not exactly sure, where they're all they.

with their people for a month so that they can basically have their holy cow what just happened and then obviously the trauma and stuff that comes with that you know like they get to work through that together because you know I mean unless you were there you'll never fully understand what it was like and in our case like we were in even different circumstances because we were in the thick of it and and well we were all in the thick of it but we were under more pressure I think because we were core or original you know organizers volunteers and and that's been taken away from us like you know we've never had a chance to just all sit down in a room together unless we have lawyers present where we can just have those conversations and you know I can't

just call up Chris and if you know and and see if he's having a good day or how he's managing or Tom Arazo, you know, and in our situation, I mean, there's people that I met a year ago that mean more to me and I trust more than people I've known my whole life. Like, we went there as strangers, but we left there as a family. And it's, it is challenging. And I find that challenging that we can't, you know, I can't call Danny and see how he's doing or, you know, how his life is going. You know, this is affected all. of our lives in a profound way. There's criminal charges, there's civil suits, you know, there's people all over social media saying we're Nazis and terrorists and this and that and all

the rest of it. And, you know, we get attacked on all these fronts, but we don't have, we can't sit here like you and me and, you know, have a conversation about it or have a hug about it or, you know, and that's been stolen from us. Yeah, that's, I don't know why this comes to mind. This is, here's your positive thought. Somewhere out there's an artist that could do this. You know the painting where they're in the diner and it's like James Dean and, I don't know, is it Elvis? I can't remember all. Maryland Monroe.

Maryland Monroe. I don't know why I think this, but wouldn't it be cool to have somebody paint the picture of the notorious whatever it is and everybody's just sitting around a diner or a pool table or whatever because you guys literally can't, you know, they probably assume it probably the assumption, this is my logical brain. going with it, which is, you know, my logical brain needs at times to shut the hell up because, you know, you look around the world and nothing makes sense. But you go, well, they don't want Tamara with Chris and Dan and Tom and all these different people because maybe they'll start it again. And that's where it all stem from, except what they don't understand is that's not at all happened at all. You know, like... Even if we wanted to, like I said, that was a once in a lifetime thing, in my opinion. It was a perfect storm of events.

It was after two years of these mandates and, you know, families, you know, I don't have to revisit all the stories. But, I mean, there was just, it was a perfect storm of events. And it just grew. It just became this giant grassroots, you know, organic movement. I mean, we didn't see that coming. Nobody could have thought that coming. I told you. I interviewed Chris Barber.

So I interviewed him, I think it was like five days before they started to leave. And he's pulled over on the side of a highway. in his Sammy, somewhere in the States, and he's explaining to me what this is, because I got told about it like two days before, and I'm like, oh, okay, whatever, yeah, sure. And he's telling me, and I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, okay, well, good luck.

Yep, good luck. And, you know, of course, all the listeners of the show know that, you know, that interview eventually gets my entire YouTube channel just nuked. Like, just, and I'm not saying I was playing by the rules before that. I'd certainly had Peter McCullough and, you know, Paul Alexander and all these different doctors on, and that was getting me strikes and everything else,

but that thing got me nuked. Wow. And it was only like four days after that interview, but I'm like, oh boy, I think, oh, I think this is going to work. And it's crazy how quickly that changed. And everybody felt that. Like, I don't know of too many people, you know, for the most part, left or right that didn't, you know,

certainly there was people who look at the convoy as like this evil entity. But most Canadians are like, this has to work. Like, I can't, I can't, we can't keep going the way we're going. And I think a lot of people. They were begging us, Sean, begging us, you know, Canadians. Like, we can't go on this way. You know, people I talk to every day, they were telling me that they were planning their suicides. Every day.

I heard that at least three times. It, like, it was, we were in just such a state, you know, and nobody knew. what to do. I mean, there was all these protests around the country, but it was like nothing was getting traction. And then I don't know why it was us. I don't know why it was our organization and not somebody else's. I mean, I just recognized, because I started the social media, and obviously the go fund me, that was the first thing when the donations started pouring. And I was like, oh, my God, like I have very basic accounting skills, right? I've like, $20,000 is just what I had in my head. I was like, maybe we can raise that. I can totally manage 20 grand. That's fine.

I very quickly realized it was moving out of the realm of my reality. So, and then the social media, too. So I had to reach out to some friends to get me to help or to help get me with the messaging, the messaging because I was getting all these messages in and then I had to start a subgroup of the main Facebook page because people are like we live in North Bay Ontario and we're going to bring coffee and donuts and deaf or whatever you know so I had to start like a subgroup for support and get volunteers to manage these all these donations that people wanted to do or you know if we people needed a place to stay there's like homes in such and such where if you need a bed for the night stop here like you know it just grew so big so fast um but again i think that's why it was just a

perfect storm of events and i do think a lot of people were trying to get their voices heard but they were being completely ignored and especially like who's going to listen to little sean newman or tamara leach know when they're not even listening to like brian bridle and dr francis christian right Honestly, yes. You know, it's the amount of food I truckle about this from time and time. I had so many people reach out to me. And one of the things Chris had told me is, yeah, we'd take food. And so anyone who asked, I'd be like, I hear they'd take food.

So I like to think I played just a small part in all the food that showed up because I just kept telling people, I think food. They just keep saying food. Just give them food because by that time, I mean, you know, you're like I'm just, I'm just. laughing at myself as all the messages that I got, which, you know, was probably a drop in the bucket compared to what you received and others, certainly who were a part of the going from all the different towns. But I laughed because I kept telling people food over and over again. Well, I hear food, and I hear they're coming to here this day, and I don't know the ins and outs. I don't even know how to get you in contact with half these people.

Just take food. And the amount of food was insane. Oh, that's crazy. Reefers. Did you ever get out to any of the outposts? Yes. Like, it was amazing. My first trip out there blew me away.

I mean, there was everything from like lip chap, like boxes and boxes and tents and trailers and dog food and baby formula and diapers and canned goods and lip chap and gloves and socks and underwear. Like every possible thing under the sun somebody donated. Thunder Bay we pulled into the, I don't know, where all the trucks were parked, the convoy. Yeah. And we hadn't eaten like all day. Like it had been a long day. And I remember being like, I kind of feel guilty because I'm not a trucker and I don't know if I should go ask. And maybe we should just go find a restaurant.

Anyways, you know, worked up the courage and we walked to the back one of the reefers. And the guy said, he looked at me. He's like, you hungry? And I'm like, oh, no, if you need to give other people, don't worry. And he's like, no, no, get over here. And he just started like shoveling things out of it. And he's like, if we don't eat this, it's like. And I'm like, oh, my God.

God, I'm like, when did this all kidding? He's like, oh, like, I don't know, the last day? Like, this is, he's like, we can't keep up with it. I'm like, oh, like, this is kind of insane. That was, was that the part behind the parking lot behind the gas station in Thunder Bay? I think there was two. Anyways, yeah, there was, like, people walking around with, like, hot chili and just, like, the food was crazy.

It was everywhere. People took such good care of us. Well, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I joke about this. In Ottawa, I should have lost weight for how many miles I put on walking. But every block had somebody cooking 100 hot dogs and just throwing them out of everyone. The next street you over would have that big old pot of chili. And you're like, who's cooking chili?

And they're like, you want something? I'm like, well, I can't say no to that. And then you'd eat it. And you're like, this is fantastic. And the next one, I remember, I forget if it's Domino's. I hate to give a company credit that, I want to say Domino's. I'm going to go with dominoes and somebody can correct me on this. But anyways, the guys that were saying, they had dominoes to give on.

I'm like, oh, you go buy it? And they're like, no, this delivery guy showed up. It was the night before and was trying to sell us dominoes. You know, and just come down with a box of pizzas and said, oh, it's $20 a box. And he's like, dude, look around you. Yeah. We can have as much food as you want. We're not buying your pizzas.

And he's like. Read the room. And so then he left. And the next night he came back and he had the same box of pizzas. And he said, here, give it out. And I was like, that. That's super cool. And so you could have a slice.

And I want to see it was Domino's. I hate to, it could have been in a different pizza company, but it was a mainstream one that I, you would never thought would do something like that. And, well, the food, I mean, I don't have to tell it to you. But like, I remember the, I think it was Spencer Boats, me talking about it, how the front line of trucks right along Parliament Hill were getting hammered with food. And so it just slowly from there grew out to the next block to the next block. And the food just kept going further and further away from where the actual protest was because there was so much of it.

Like, think about that. Like that's, you know, like, I don't even know how to comprehend that at times. Yeah. Yeah, I know. The support was amazing. And, and I mean, a lot of that was like from Ottawa residents. You know, like I ran into Ottawa residents. I ran into federal government employees.

And you know if you were in that crowd and you saw people with masks on or face coverings. it was unusual and you noticed it. And so the first thought was, well, it's got to be Antifa. They're wearing masks. It's Antifa. But what I discovered this day is I was down at Parkway, Sir Johnny Parkway, and there was these two people there that I noticed kind of watching me. And they were covered.

Like all you could see was their eyeballs. And so I just kind of noted it, you know, whatever. And it was a cold day, so I get it. and then I started talking to him and they were a married Muslim couple that lived in the vicinity of Sir John A and they were going down every day and taking firewood blankets, food, water, whatever they needed. They went down every day to find out what those people needed. And of course they didn't want to be seen. So she had already lost her job.

She was on leave without pay. in order to go back to work, she was going to have to get vaccinated and take a two-week COVID-19 education, whatever, brainwashing. It sounds like, very much like Jordan Peterson's situation, right? And he was about to be laid off. He was about to be put on leave without pay.

And, you know, they're, they were supporting us just as much that this affected a lot of federal, employees also. I mean, even when I was in for the inquiry, I ran into people, because we were staying right downtown, I ran into people that worked for a certain MP's offices that flat out told me that they hoped that we kicked ass at the inquiry and they wanted him fired. Not Chudeau, but, you know, just a certain MP. So we did have a ton of support, even in Ottawa itself. Well, I don't know about you, but I met a bunch of families that were coming down.

after their workday was done to set up a little food, I don't know, stands, whatever you want to call it, but serve food to everybody for like three, four hours and then go home and then they come back the next day. Yeah. I don't know. That was rather wild, you know, to think that. You know, you bring up the inquiry. Oh, yeah, I don't, I mean, we can hash out thoughts on the inquiry and this and that. I was more curious, you know, when you were in the heat of, of, uh,

those weeks. And then, of course, after it, you go to jail. And, you know, then you get to sit back and listen to inquiry. You know, certainly were we all hoping at the end? He was going to go, it was unconstitutional, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes. And did that happen? No.

But in saying that, all the police testimonies, the ceas, the everything that come out of there, I was curious, you know, for a woman who was, like, right in the heart of it, to now have the opportunity to sit back and listen to all the different views on what you were doing and part of. What stood out to you the most out of the inquiry? That you're like, wow, I can't believe they just, because, I mean, like, so much came out. You know, Tom Korski from Blacklocks tells me this all the time. He's like, you know, once they start releasing all the documents, that's where the gold is. You've got to pay attention to that, blah, blah, blah.

And what happened through the inquiry? All these guys got to testify. and asked the right question, they just, like, condemned, like, I mean, it was just, I don't know, for me, it was pretty, like, black and white. Now, the end result wasn't what anyone wanted, or at least not on this side. But I was curious, you know, you being in the heart of it, and when you're in the heart of, you know, the storm, I don't think you're paying attention to a whole, I mean, you're trying to, but I assume it's a little difficult. And then having jail after, for as long as you went, now hearing all these testimonies, what stuck out to you about the inquiry? Oh boy. The first couple weeks was crazy because it was I heard a lot of hurt feelings and I heard a lot of paranoia.

And I remember saying to Eva, it was after the city officials and the Ottawa City Police were starting to come in and testify. And I said, when did these people become so terrified of their own citizens? Like it was, well, that has the potential for this and there's the potential for that. Well, there's always a, there's a potential, the sun's going to explode tomorrow and we're all going to die. But, you know, we're not, we're not losing our minds over it. This city councilors, you know, to insinuate that a semi-truck is a weapon and propane tanks and jerry cans. Like, then your neighbor is probably a terrorist because, They probably have those in their garage.

Like, it was ridiculous. And, you know, the superintendent or the head of the intelligence of the OPP to get up and say the lack of violence was shocking. That, I mean, he came right out and basically called out the politicians and the media because he's saying what you guys are saying doesn't match up with the intelligence that we're collecting. And none of that is getting talking. about right now, which I find really unusual, you know, because this is all important stuff. And especially now with all this Chinese interference coming up. I mean, you think that CESIS, our intelligence services agency, kind of should know what they're talking about. And yet, I mean, the liberal government and the mainstream media is kind of trying to dismiss it almost now,

like, oh, that's just CESIS. Like, it's CES, you know. They're coming forward with these concerns. And David Vignoll, the head of CESIS even said, you know, that we didn't meet any of the criteria. We didn't meet the Section 2 of the CES Act. Flat out. I mean, there's four criteria, or one of the four criteria

that have to be met to invoke the Act, and none of them were met. So that tells me now that that legislation, isn't worth the paper that it's written on. It means nothing. If you can just unilaterally go in and on paranoia or what could happen or invoke the Emergencies Act, the greatest suspension of civil liberties that we have.

You know? A slight overkill. And so it was... It's an easy way to put it. Slight overkill, yes. It was difficult to sit through a lot of it. A lot of it, you know there was days I felt really frustrated there was days I felt vindicated there was it was

kind of an emotional roller coaster but it was all exhausting and then of course when you get to the end when when we had the government officials coming in and it was just I don't know I remember thinking more than once sitting in that inquiry thinking I wonder what people from countries like that have terrible terrible terrible problems and issues are thinking if they're watching this like this is embarrassing and none of us were surprised by his decision I think we were all holding out hope that he would have reached a different conclusion it still felt like a gut punch and I was I guess still a little surprised because of the evidence like the actual evidence that was presented not how the council men and women felt,

not how interim chief bell felt. You know, here you have the interim chief of police basically sitting on the stand trying to redefine what violence means. Like, it was a clown show. There was a lot of, I was happy to see that a lot of the evidence finally came out to and I'm really happy with the way that our legal team

got it presented and got it out there. And, you know, they were, they were basically working 24-7. I mean, especially when the time the government people came in, the feds came in, I mean, they were dropping documents at 9 or 10 o'clock at night that all these lawyers had to go through and be ready for the witness the next day. Like there was just those kind of shenanigans. Oh, a tactic. The redactions and the cabinet confidentiality, like where there was none.

I mean, and then you see the politicians get up there, and they're basically just got that kind of smug, smarmy look on their face. Like, how dare you even ask me this? Like, I really got the sense towards the end. It was like, all these dirty blue collar workers with their dirty working hands came to our city and, you know, dirtied our city. I actually flew home for a few days in the middle when the Windsor Coutes people. people got up to testify because it had nothing to do with us. Not that I wasn't interested, but, you know, I'd been there for a while and I just felt I need to go home and just get out of this atmosphere for a couple days and, you know, kind of

clear my head. And then we came back and then it was, of course, the government officials and stuff. So, I mean, what did you think watching it? I mean, you were there and you were part of this whole thing. And, I mean, when you're watching. Say, Zexi Lee, you know, discussing it as like it was the purge, you know, like you were there. How did you feel watching all of this? The entire thing in its entirety, I would argue to Canadians, if they haven't watched any of it,

it's probably the best television you will see all year long. Now, it doesn't get the conclusion that I wanted. And it certainly had me. saying a few things under my breath when you know oh well i guess not under my breath i was talking myself in a room watching it you know because i mean it was long days there was you know i think i said this to eva when i had her on and actually tom for that matter is like very few people could give up eight to what 12 hours a day to watch it but if they did pick out some interviews to sit and just listen to what was being said and how they were talking about things and just slugged through

parts of it, man, there were some gems in there. But like, it's ridiculousness of, you know, some of the testimonies to try and paint it as, you know, well, everything you've said, you know, like a terrorist insurrection. Yeah, well, and the fumes from gas and the fumes from the units and the noise and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Somebody pointed it out on, on, so I told you before, you know, we started, I, my final interviews there I did, the final day that I walked around and talked to people. I never released it until a year later, which we did on the anniversary of the convoy. And one of the people commented, they're like, you know, for all the loud honking that everybody's

complaining about, you're walking around the city of Ottawa, I can't hear it. Now, you can hear it in some of it, right? But other times you can't hear anything, right? I'm sitting there on the street talking to people. And it's dead quiet. There's no quiet. And certainly it wasn't like that all the time. But I try to remind, like I was sitting in the room, you know, when it was like you guys have to open up emergency lanes.

That happened within like 15 minutes. I was, I was rather impressed. I was like, holy shit, that happened quick. And then, you know, like I remember getting, listen guys, we can't just honk nonstop. We have to have hours, parameters. We should do it in unison. We should try and do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like that doesn't get talked about.

And, you know, these are, these are all the things that if you were investigating this, let's say you're an investigative reporter, like a few phone calls and you'd have, I feel like you'd be to the bottom of this real fast. And so, no, watching the inquiry. That was my biggest takeaway, to answer your question, that was my biggest takeaway at the inquiry. I watched Peter slowly get up and, you know, watched all this testimony and I'm thinking to myself, if you would have just called us, like if you would have just, you know, Steve Bell or these politicians or anyone,

like if you guys would have just talked to somebody, we wouldn't all be sitting here right now. Yeah, I mentioned I had, and it's kind of, for the listener, I apologize, because I interviewed two military guys today, but, you know, your episode 400, which is kind of cool to say out loud. That's great cool. And they'll come out Monday anyways. I asked them what the biggest problem, I think I said problem, we have in Canada right now. And they mention the lack of communication.

And you can literally see that in what you're talking about, right? Which is an ironic, which is really ironic because we live in a time where communication is instant. Easy. Right? Yeah. I mean, you wanted to get an answer from what the call. Bomboy was there from.

I mean, there was, all you had to do is, like, walk down to a hotel, like two minutes from where all the protests were going on. You could walk in and talked to,

no less than a handful of people that would have sat and gladly chatted. I witnessed the amount of people coming and going out of the Ark Hotel was insane. And, uh, it was crazy, wasn't it? Wasn't it?

Oh, wow. Yeah. It really was. Yeah. Always new faces, too. Of course, we had the core people that were always there. But every day there was like just more people flooding and coming in and stuff, right? It was, yeah.

It's, yeah, the, I apologize. I get, you know, sitting in Eminton and I'm going, oh, my kids are probably asleep. Nobody cares where dads yet, you know, at this point. Anyways, I'm laughing at myself as a check my phone. You know, the, there was so much that. happened in Ottawa that is like hard to rationalize I always talked I actually I don't say I always talk I just like to me like so much emotion so much desperation so much happiness so much hope sadness tears emotion energy I don't normally yeah like just like just everywhere

everybody was wearing it under and we're all breaking law I remember talking to a I had Subway. Speak for yourself. I wasn't breaking the law. Fair. He better edit that part out. Just kidding. I go walk in because I was looking for a bathroom.

So I have, okay. So I'm going to, here's my story. Okay. Give it to me. I'm at Parliament and I have to get used to bathroom, but there's no outhouses. So Sean starts walking. Walks, there's a Mick,

So I walk in, they say, sir, you can't be in her with the mask. And I'm, I don't know if I was just in a happy, go lucky mood or what. So I'm like, okay. So I walk back out. There's two cops there. So I walk up and, uh, no, I'm going to back it up because I talk to him first. I talked to the cops. I said, where's the bathroom?

They say McDonald's. So I walk over to McDonald's. They say, you need a mask. So then I come back out. I walk over to the cops again. And I say, can I get a mask? And the look on their faces, you know, like everybody is, is, and I'm putting it in, quote, it's breaking the law at this point.

Nobody's wearing a mask. Nobody's social distancing. Nobody's doing anything. Anyways, here's this guy, you know, wearing a hoodie in minus 40 weather going, can I get a mask? And then you're guys like, uh, sure. So he grabs me a mask.

And I said, man, I just got to use a bathroom. I said, I got a mask. I just don't care. I'm just going to go wear a mat. Anyway, so I put the mask on. I walk in the bathroom. Walk in the McDonald's. And they go, uh, so, uh, welcome McDonald's, sir.

What can we do for you? And I said, I'd like to use your washroom. And they go, sorry, sir, it's locked and it's not available. to the public. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. I'm like, so then I pull the mask off. Now I'm really chapped because I really have to pee. So I walk back across and the cop now sees me coming, right? And he goes, oh, you get the bathroom? And I'm like, no, they're not opening it to the public. And he goes, oh. And I'm like, and I really have to pee. And I got to know why is it that they can't. Anyway, so I'm getting, I'm talking to these cops. And they say, well, I tell you what, just go

behind the, just, just go over there. I'm like, I'm a human being. I'm not peeing on the sidewalk. so I can get busted for, and he's like, no, no, no, we won't bust you, we won't ever. I'm like, dude, I haven't been at this, like, I'm like, I even wore a mask just to use the bathroom. And you're telling me, when does my rights ever count in this thing? And so he goes, I tell you what, there's a subway, and it's just down the right, and he's like, maybe they've got a bathroom. So I walk in, it's pretty, it's pretty like, you couldn't tell it was open. It's pretty dark place. And anyways, their bathroom was broken, but they were super nice, and they're like, but you can use it.

the handles broke, you kind of got a, anyways. I ended up getting them a, a plumber to come in and fix the toilet so that they could use it. Anyways, so sweet. So I got to use the bathroom. Anyways, I come up, and I'm like, it's kind of, it's kind of dead in here. And the guy's like, yeah, we've been, you know, protests going on, nobody's eating. I'm like, but people got to eat.

I mean, it's subway. So I'm like, I tell you what, I'll help you out. I'll go. And I was, I was talking to people on the street, but I said, you know, we got out, we got a, we got a, we got to liven this place up. Can we turn some lights on? and can we show that it's like kind of open and the guy's like uh i don't know what you mean so i like he has this on this table he has all these old posters for subway and i just start putting them up

to show a little bit of color on the outside and show they're i don't know in my brain i thought they're opening he's like dude those are like two days old you can't put those up those deals don't exist and i go dude look out on the street everybody here is not wearing a mask is not doing things they're not abiding by anything nobody cares just let them come in and spend money and and help you out. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And I'm like, this is the most wild thing I've experienced.

I'm like, just break your company's stupid rules, sell some sandwiches, and bring in some of like the joy that is sitting out on the street. You could see it walking everywhere. And here it was. I don't know. Anyways. Well, and those businesses that they'd still open. I mean, the Tim Horton's at the corner was wild.

Oh, my God. They've never made so much money. And, you know, they also had truck. going in and mopping the floors and cleaning the bathrooms and cleaning the tables and clean the tables because we're busing it all totally because you know it was slushy and dirty and muddy so you know they're wiping the floor yeah it was it was amazing you know well I told you before we started like one of the things I did at the hotel is I just started cleaning up garbage yeah that's right because nobody's doing it yeah and after like folks I don't think we realize at a hotel how many people work at keeping a hotel

clean. Think about it. You got, you know, where we sit today, they got a full hotel tonight. Like it's, it sounds like it's quite packed. The lobby certainly seemed like it was buzzing. So let's just assume you have, I'm going to ballpark at 400 rooms. What's that? 800 people on average, just to a room, let's just say. 800 people with their, you know, their laundry, their blah, da, da, da, da. And back then you get COVID so they're not coming in your room to do anything. Right. So you're putting all your dishes out in front. Then they close down the restaurant. Yeah. Right?

Then they turned off to hot water. And so now you got people just like in disarray. You got like dirty dishes and garbage laying everywhere. And this is all in the hallways. And nobody to clean it. Why? Because, well, one, it was hard to get downtown is what they were saying. Two, COVID rules.

So everyone's like, well, we can't come in. There's too many people here already. And then the thing that the hotel staff is saying is, you know, my biggest problem with you guys is, you know, there's garbage everywhere. I'm like, all right, well, give me a garbage bag, we'll clean it up, you know? And that mentality that even I had was everybody had that. You know, we talked about this earlier on. Like, you need somebody with garbage bags, they went out and did it.

You need somebody with laundry, somebody showed up and started taking care of it. I was out front of that hotel picking cigarette butts off the ground. And I asked them, you know, do you guys have like a jar or something that we could just, you know. And I was, well, I ended up leaving that hotel, but I mean, I was going to go by one. one of those smoking, whatever, you put your smoke in and, I don't know what they're called, but, you know, to put out front because, you know, there's like cigarette butts everywhere. And I can't tell you how many times I was out front cleaning up cigarette butts. Let me ask you this.

You've waited, or not waited, but gauged or maybe been told, I don't know the answer, roughly a year to talk on media. Was that something that happened, that you're like, it's time, or were you just fed up enough that you're like, I'm willing to come on and talk to Sean? That's pretty much it. Obviously, lawyers are very careful, and because the wording of my conditions is so terrible and broad,

and some of it doesn't even make any sense. He really wanted to err, I think, on the side of caution. The judge did say in my last hearing, because I remember the Crem prosecutor trying to get him to say that I couldn't do media. He was reiterating my social media ban and interviews. And the judge kind of laughed at him and he's like, of course she can do media. Like, you know.

And of course she can do interviews. and so I never forgot that. But, you know, I listened to my criminal lawyer and I was like, yeah, no interviews, no interviews. Because, you know, I didn't want to go back to jail and I didn't want to, I'm not afraid of jail. I'm just afraid of, A, my dogs, my husband, my children, I mean, it's not just about me being in a jail cell.

I got that. That's the easy part. It's the people that have to deal with that on the outside. Yeah, the chaos that's created. You know, and I'm not going to lie to you. Like, even though I know I'm innocent and I know what really happened, it's no fun to call your kids from jail, ever. You know, I think my grandson, who will be seven next month, you know, just found out that I had even been to jail. His parents hadn't even told him.

But, of course, I mean, it's getting to that point where, you know, he's going into grade two. and, you know, next year. And so it's going to come up, right? And I lost my train of thought there. Grandson, your grandma is a total badass, you know? Like, honestly. I mean, it's wild to me. You know, like some of the ramifications of what have happened

until you get a leader of this country who can see it for what it is. is like I assume like you know you mentioned Ontario that's been lifted tonight you can travel the country again but I don't know can you get leave the country oh yeah I can leave yeah yeah I haven't tried yet like I'd like to take my I'd like to take my passport and just go maybe down to have her for the day or something and just just just just to see if what they'll do at the border you know I because I don't know it's I'm curious so and anyways um I do remember back to your point. So I kind of just got to this point the last of a while or I'm not afraid

anymore and I'm not going to I know what my limitations are. I've been known to, you know, walk the line a little and push buttons and boundaries, but I do recognize what those boundaries are. And I'll just stay within that. And, you know, I guess the tipping point for me was the release of the Relo's report and then having Trudeau coming out and talking about, oh, I've got Canadians' backs and we've just have Canadians backs and I'm all about keeping Canadians safe. And I thought my head was going to friggin' explode. When I heard him say that for the umpteenth time, and because I am the one out here and Chris Barber's out here and, you know, all these other people that were involved are out here.

listening to stories from real Canadians, like I said, that were about to kill themselves, or that were living in their cars, or lost their business, or didn't get to say goodbye to their mother when she died. He should be out here listening to these stories, and then you tell me how you had anybody's backs but your own, and you tell me who you were keeping safe, because it sure as hell wasn't them. And that and the Relo report was sort of my tipping point. point you know i was like this is ridiculous and so i for one i'm happy to hear you doing different because uh you know canda needs its strong voices uh i was i'm a very big um i really like what jordan peterson has to say uh he's changed my life i don't think anyone that's to surprise

anyone who listens i i i was you know early late to the take doesn't matter um for some of was late for others I was early but when I first started listening to him read his book and everything else and I was I was really disappointed I think is the word I'd probably use because he went I thought he went quiet but then you read his second book and you start to realize some of the health issues and everything else he's had but I was like there's another Albertan who's sharp as attack strong voice commands you know blah blah blah blah blah blah and with you with Chris with all these different voices, it's like, we need them all. And so when I, you know, I've been, you know this, I've been kind of poking to see when

you're going to be, you know, like ready to talk or when they were going to allow you to talk or whatever the words are. I just didn't ask. To be honest, when you finally said, yeah, I'm ready to go. I'm like, it's time because we need not only your voice, but other voices across Canada to, to, to share their story and allow Canadians to hear what actually went on because, you know, I act like all my audience knows exactly who you are. And I assume they do because we've all seen your face.

But hearing it out of your voice and hearing some of the things you have to say and what you went through is really powerful stuff because you've been a figurehead for the last year for both sides of this coin. One side, you know, you walk on water. You can do no wrong. You are just like this. And the other side paints you as like, I mean, you created the insurrection. You were there to just, you know, I don't know.

They're looking for devil horns on the head, right? Yeah. It's crazy. But they get to paint that picture when they don't get to hear from you, right? They just get to tell the story and nobody's there to refute it other than people are trying to, you know, go to bat for you. But it's really powerful to hear you get to open up and talk some of your thoughts through because, I mean, that, That is what I needed, that Jordan Peterson, I guess, is where I was going. When he started talking again, I'm like, oh, thank the Lord, right?

Like, he needs to be doing this more. He needs, because when you go silent, people get to talk for you. Well, it creates a vacuum, and somebody's going to fill that vacuum with something. And it's not always good, you know. So, yeah, you know, in that respect, you know, we were talking before we started this, you know, there seems like there's no middle ground anymore you're either on this side or you're on that side and that that seems to be the case with me and and you know I'm sort of blessed in a way not to be on social media because I see like people send me screenshots and like I see some of the things like

I've been called a horror I have been called a Nazi I have been called a terrorist I have been called a racist I have been called a grifter. I've been called a thief. I mean, there's really, really nothing that I haven't been called. You know what I mean? And so I'm really glad that I don't get to see that. I mean, there's also lovely, beautiful things, too. Don't get me wrong.

But I remember, you know, Chris and I were on the way to Ottawa last year. And friends would send me all this terrible stuff that was being written about me, right? And I finally said to this one lady in particular, I said, stop. I don't care. I don't want to read it. I'm on my way to Ottawa. I need to stay focused and I need to say positive. I don't need to read this stuff because it's really at the end of the day irrelevant. Like my dad always says other people's opinion of you is not your business. And it's right. He's right. Like I'm not going to let negativity ruin my day. It. because I know who I am and I'm comfortable with who I am.

And, I mean, I know what really happened. I know what my motivations were, and I'm okay with that. And, you know, 10% of the population is never going to like you just because. Yeah. You know, one of the things that, I don't know. I don't know if you want to talk about this. I don't know if I'm pulling you in anything and I don't want to. But like, the reason it comes to mind is I bring up Dr. Robert Malone again

because I literally just had him on. And he's been under attack by, you know, some people that I have had on the podcast and respect and, you know, and he got talking about fifth generation warfare and that type of thing. And, you know, one of the things about the inquiry is, you know, I met Bridget. And I don't mean to single anyone just out, but there was a day or two in the inquiry where it got, the only word that comes to mind is bizarre. And I was just like, what is going on? Like this is, this is maybe undermining the entire thing that happened.

And certainly, I wasn't there for it all. So I just sat back and kind of listened and was kind of like, this is, this is a strange television, you know. Was it strange for you as well? Or do you see where, did you, was this already percolating under the surface? I don't know. Because it just felt like there was a lot of infighting, I guess, is the word I would use. Well, and it's, it's really sad. it's actually heartbreaking to see how, you know, some relationships have fallen apart.

And again, I mean, we were just all complete strangers, you know? I mean, we didn't know. And personalities don't always mix, and that's fine. I mean, you just move forward, right? And it was really heartbreaking in some of the instances that have happened with some infighting. and, you know, my personal opinion is that there's nothing like this ever happens without egos getting involved. Nothing. I mean, and that's just human nature. That's not even a criticism, but that's just how that goes. And then, of course, when you're, when there's money involved,

like if this thing has taught me one thing and one thing only, it's that the saying that money is the root of all evil is absolutely true. And I felt that even on the way last year. Like, you've heard me say it, Right? I mean, the girls would message me and say, bump it up another million. You know, we've already, we're going to blow past this. And I would be like so excited, but like so sick to my stomach at the same time. Because when you're talking millions of dollars, I knew the lawyers are coming. Of course they're coming. We're talking about millions of dollars, you know? And I think, I think in her case, I don't know. I don't know our story.

And we don't need to single anyone out. And I don't, and I wouldn't want to either. Like, I mean, she has her story. I just mean more in the general of, you know, everybody that was on the same side. Yeah. There's been infighting. That's a general. Happens to every organization.

And I guess I almost want to take a step back. I didn't mean to single anyone out. I just, to me, that, you know, when you watched it, you're like, this is strange. Yeah, her feelings about me are pretty public. And that's okay. Like I said, she doesn't. have to like me. You know, that's okay. I don't mind. She's got, she's got her story and that's totally fine. And it's just, I don't think there's too many organizations that don't get

touched with, with some type of infighting. And, you know, some people, and I'm not singling her out by any means. I mean, I just mean, in general, I mean, you know, some people like to feel like they're in control or they can run this or, you know, I don't know. And then you have, Like I said, a situation like the convoy, which just all came together so fast. I mean, most of us had never met each other before, let alone, you know, even knew who their names were and were thrust into this thing. And let's be honest, I mean, it grew so fast that, I mean, it quickly went from, you know, me helping Chris and Bridget and some truckers get to Ottawa to basically, holy shit, we're going to be responsible for all these people on the highway in this convoy. in this convoy, all these people on the side of the road, you know, that's a whole safety thing. And I think it's a bloody miracle that Chris led that convoy all the way to Ottawa without one

single incident. Do you think it's a miracle? I do think it's a miracle. I mean, how many trucks did we have? Well, we could never keep count anyways, but nobody got hurt. Nobody got run over. There wasn't any car accidents. Like it was just, you know, when we pulled into Ottawa, we were 100 kilometers long and not one accident.

And that's what I mean, right? It was a very divine experience. Yeah, it's an experience like that that doesn't make you question if there is more to this world than meets the eye. Yeah, yeah. Well, I felt it right from the start, right from the beginning. Just too many coincidences, too many things that happened, too many, you know, opportunities. that presented themselves that just didn't even make any sense. You know, if we had a certain job or something that we really needed a certain skill set for,

that person would just show up. You know what I mean? Like, it was, yeah, it was, it was honestly the most beautiful experience of my life. And I'll never, I'll never forget it. And it is a crying shame that the mainstom. media portrayed it in lockstep with the government. I mean, that's some of the evidence that did come out.

I mean, they had this whole narrative crafted before I even got in Big Red and Medicine Hat, you know, like they had it all planned out. They had Trudeau's talking points about how terrible we were on the streets of Ottawa laid out in an email three days before we got to Ottawa. And then he's on TV two days later saying those exact same talking points.

Like, thank God. for people like you and the Western Standard and Rebel and, you know, Andrew Lott and True North, Rupa, all of them that actually got out there and tried to capture what was really happening. Independent journalists and alternative media and even anyone with a cell phone, they all became citizen journalists there, right? And so thank God.

Could you imagine how different this would be if this was, say, 20 years ago when we didn't have cell phones. All as we would have had was the narrative that the media was painting and the scary things that they were printing in the paper. It would be a totally different scenario. Yeah, for once what at times got us into this situation helped expose the situation for what it was. Yeah. And I mean, kudos to you guys. I got nothing but respect for you, you know, you're putting your reputations on the line too, you know, every time you go out. It was. And Rupa Samariana just impressed me so much. Like she was one of the first people that I would call from the mainstream

that actually got out there and was talking to people and, you know, talking to the truckers and the supporters and just people that just came to see, you know, what was going on and getting the real story. And so when you hear, you know, from people like her that actually work in the legacy media or have, talk about, you know, just not even being able to comprehend what the mainstream media narrative is compared to what's going on. You know, that's some pretty serious issues.

And, you know, Trish Woods, same thing, former, from a former... Yeah, fifth of state. Yeah, and there's more. Yeah. And they're appalled at what's happening, you know? So, yeah, I hope very soon in the very near future, you guys are. the mainstream media. I really do.

Wouldn't that be something? That would be amazing. We're ready for some truth. You, before I let you out of here, you have a book coming on? Yes. Yes, it's finished, pretty much finished and ready to go.

We're just getting other little final details done here. I'm really hoping it'll be out within the next few weeks and it's going to be called Hold the Line My Story from the Heart of the Freedom Convoy. And I'm really looking forward to it.

It's a great, really hard to get that story into 200 pages. You know, I, when we were discussing at the beginning, you know, how long we wanted this book to be, we're like 200, 250, you know what, we wanted to be a nice read. Like, you know, but I was like, this is like a Lord of the Rings trilogy with prequels and sequels. How are we going to fit this story into 200 pages? You know, you've got, you know, the origin story and the organization part that was 10 days. And then you've got the actual trip across Canada. And then you've got, you know, the protest in Ottawa.

But then you've got all these interpersonal relationships that were going on and, you know, the money and the honking. And, you know, like there's so many different aspects to this. I mean, it would be a three-hour movie. You know, there's so many components. You think at some point it probably should be a three-hour movie, to be honest. I don't know. I look forward to that. Somehow I feel like that will be a bestseller.

I certainly wish it for you. I hope so. Thank you. But I can't see how it wouldn't be, you know? I just, you know, when that gets released, I just feel like, it'll be like a little bit of a grass verse movement to make it so because I think so many people will be interested in it. You know, you know, if you've been out since day one, just hammering media, media, media, media, media, media, media, maybe it would be different, maybe. But I'm like, you know, it's like you haven't said anything in a year since it went and everybody saw you get arrested and then it's been just silence.

It's like I feel like everybody's going to delve into those pages and be super enticed to see what you write. about and some of the stories that come from that. Yeah. I'm rather looking forward to it if I'm being honest. Well, thank you. I, you know, it's been an interesting, interesting ride in general. But, you know, I'm happy we got to do this. Me too.

You know. Finally, yeah. I should have asked the final question. You know, a show to Crude Master, you know, a show to Crude Master, Heath and Tracy McDonald have been supporters of this podcast since pretty much day one, you know, very early on. And I've certainly not made it easy on them. And they continue to support. And certainly for all of us through the dark days, you know, anyways, now I have this S&P presents in Eminton. And I, you know, I was looking for major sponsors. So I approached them. And without hesitation, they're like, yeah,

absolutely. Like what you're doing. Here it is. And I'm like, okay, well, you get a table and this and that. And they're like, no, no, we don't want any of that. Just do it. And I'm like, oh, okay. Right? So super cool to have them along for the ride. And the last little segment we do is the final question brought to you by Crude Master. And it's Heathswords. Oh, okay. Heath got on a podcast. Sorry, Heath.

I forget what episode you were on. But he said something that really stuck with me. And it was, here's his words. He said, if you're going to stand behind a cause, stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Tamara stands behind? Oh, boy. One thing I stand behind Canadian. I can't explain it.

But the unity and the coming together that I witnessed, I mean, I will, there are no words. That's the thing. When you try to describe this, how do you describe it, at least in the English language, which is the only language that I know. But, you know, I mean, it was just, it was unlike any. that I've ever seen before or experienced before. And I will stand behind them and, you know, defend their rights and freedoms if that's what I'm meant to do.

And because it's worth it. And every Canadian deserves to be free. Every Canadian deserves to earn a living. Every Canadian deserves to not have the government overreaching. to their lives, you know. People need somebody that's going to look after their needs, all their needs. And I said this in the inquiry. If you are going to lead a country, you don't just get to pick and choose who you're going

to lead because they like your hair or they like your ideology. I mean, you are not responsible for just those people. You are responsible for everyone. And isn't it the truth that don't you learn? I learn more from sitting down and talking to someone maybe that I don't agree with. Then, like, you know, that's the thing with something. As long as it's respectful. Yeah.

And we tend to be in an echo chamber. And, and I will also stand by my truth. I will definitely stand behind my truth. Well, I appreciate you doing this. I hope it is not the only time we ever sit down and do this. Certainly, getting to spend an evening with you and kind of reconnect and all. all that good stuff. I appreciate you coming on. And while I think most Canadians will, A, be waiting for the book drop and certainly be paying attention to your court dates and things like that.

What is the tentative or the scheduled date for your... The schedule date for the trial is September 25th, sorry. It's a two-week trial scheduled in the fall. But I mean, the last... Chris and I have been in hearings for the last two weeks now. three hearings we've had so far. And nothing that was scheduled to be heard on those days has been heard. We were supposed to get our motion for particulars heard on the 16th and 17th of February.

Didn't happen that day. Something else was heard. And then we booked another date on the 7th of March. And that was nothing happened there. And then the result of that hearing was supposed to be on the 13th of March and nothing happened there. and yeah so you know I think the punishment in the legal system because we have a legal system in Canada and not a justice system in the legal system in Canada the punishment is in the process and you know it's no skin off their back to drag this out as long as they want it's not their

liberties that have been suspended so yeah so tentatively two weeks in the fall hopefully and then hopefully all that stuff's done well good well I'm all I'm I'm hoping for you, and I mean, I know a good majority of Canadians are pulling for you. So either way, thanks for doing this and coming on and look forward to when we crosspass in the future. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me. And I'm very excited for your event tomorrow and Saturday, very excited.