Shaun Newman Podcast - SNP/WS Roundtable #8 - Eva Chipiuk

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

Legal counsel for Peckford Travel Ban Challenge, Tamara Lich and the Freedom Convoy. Advocate for rights and freedoms in Canada. We discuss her time in Ottawa & what the first 10 days of the commission have brought to light. Emergencies Act Inquiry https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/ November 5th SNP Presents: QDM & 2's.   Get your tickets here: https://snp.ticketleap.com/snp-presents-qdm--222-minutes Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

Good evening and welcome to the Sean Newman Show on the Western Standard. Before I invite my guest in, I just wanted to bring everybody up to speed, so to speak. This is my eighth episode with the Western Standard, and I signed on for eight. So I'm not saying I won't be back next week, but just a fair warning to all the listeners if you're enjoying the show. Email the Western Standard or shoot me a text on the text line if you listen to the podcast. Either way, appreciate your support. And with that all being said, hopefully we'll be talking next week as well. Now, tonight we are talking, the Public Order Emergency

Emergency Commission, and once again, it is a mouthful. I'm joined tonight by Eva Chippiak, and I hope I said that right, Eva. She is a lawyer obviously representing a whole vast different group of people here, and I appreciate you giving me some of your time. Thank you. My pleasure. You were almost there. It's Eva, Chippewy. Good try. Good effort. She says to me off air, she goes, it's like for Eva, Eva. I'm like, okay, Eva, Eva, Man, I still can't get it.

Anyways, I got the last name, right? Give me some credit here. 100% excellent with that one. Now, I've been, as you heard, this is the eighth episode. So we've kind of done a couple different iterations on the roundtable format for the Western Standard and then the podcast. And so the first couple listeners will recall there was three people in, then two, and now I've done a string of just one-on-one like I would on the podcast just to give it a little different flavor, see what the listener wants, what they enjoy, that type of thing.

So I call it kicking it old school as if it is old school because I've been doing it for 300 episodes But I'm going to have you introduce yourself. I want you to tell us who and I'm I'm going to say it terrible again Eva Eva You got it this second time ever You know on a side note have you ever seen Wally? Yeah, no I haven't and everyone always mentions it Okay, well I'll be I'll be with the one thousand and one person to bring it up either way I'm curious, who is Eva? Did I say it right that time? Am I getting it right now?

This is going to be the entire thing. We're running joke now. Could you give us a bit of your background? And then we'll jump into certainly, you know, day 10, as we record this, I should remind people. It's day 10 of the commission, October 26. So by the time it airs for the Western Standard, day 11 will be underway. But you get the point. Okay, well, thanks for having me.

My name is Eva, Chupyak. I'm from Edmonton, Alberta. I'm a lawyer. This is my third time back to law, actually, so not a very common thing for practicing lawyers. But I do find that I've always been really interested in kind of the David and Goliath fight. So in Alberta, I was often for a long time representing landowners against large development and or government taking land rights from people,

farmers generally. sometimes city dwellers as well. And I just really enjoyed like standing up for the little guy. And that kind of slowed down as things did with the oil and gas. And I took a break from law. And then COVID came along and government mandates and restrictions really came out in full force, as we know. And I was able to get a position with the Justice Center. So fighting instead of property rights, but personal rights and freedoms on behalf of individuals.

against overreach and massive, now overreach that we've never experienced before from government. So it's been really interesting, again, a bit new to the constitutional area, but always I've been always very interested and keen to work on behalf of the little guy against big, bad government. Did I catch in there, Eva, that you said, you took a break from law. Did I catch that right? Two. You took two breaks from law. This is my third time back to law, so I could just get right into it.

I started practicing law in Alberta, in Edmonton. I was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, which, and everything is good now, so I don't really dwell on it. And I'm also a fighter, so no big deal there. But I just decided, maybe I should travel the world and teach yoga for a while, because that seems like a fun thing to do. So I did it for about four years. I actually ended back at the same office I was practicing at before. You traveled the world for four years teaching yoga, right? Sure did.

When you look, I mean, can you imagine people, the lifestyle change of going to the courthouse and dealing with reading and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You get that point to getting diagnosed with pancreatic cancer to now going, traveling the world for four years. You know, it's a broad question, but what sticks out about those four years? Like, what did you, like, that sounds pretty freaking cool. And probably a lot of people would love to do something like that, but they never take the leap. Yeah. Well, you know, I encourage people to take the leap.

And that was something I heard right away. People are like, well, what if you want to practice again or this or that? What if, what if, what if, what if questions. And I just figured, you know, I have five years under my belt of practicing and working. I didn't have five years before. you know, if you're good enough, somebody should be able to hire you. And funny enough, I was back in the same office. I left four years before with some of the same files that were still there four years before.

So there's an indication of like, take a chance, enjoy your life. You might end up in the same office you left. And then the second time I actually decided to open a yoga studio and a healthy food cafe. terrible timing because it was just under two years before the COVID restrictions. So that dream ended very quickly. And then I got back into law and I said, well, government, you're going to close down my business. So I'll come back after you. Wow, that's quite the journey.

I've got to be honest. You know, you have an very interesting perspective then when you, you know, when you showed up in Ottawa. And I'm talking about go back to February, late January. for the convoy you have a very interesting perspective then on what you've been seeing and hearing and people you've been dealing with I mean you represent some of the biggest names in Canada right now your time in Ottawa the first time around what sticks out to you from then that you're privy to say I have no idea about what you're what you can and cannot say but what going back to there because you know

one of the things that really embedded in my head was I do this this. I come on and I talk about what I see and then you go watch the CBC and you go, what on earth are they doing, right? And honestly, listen to some of the cops. Like, it's like they never turned off CBC and went and saw for themselves, you know. And so it's, it's really interesting to follow along because it's kind of like the same thing over again. But, you know, you'd have a different purview than most people. Very few, I would argue. What sticks out about your first go-around with the, the freedom convoy? Well, you know, it was such a world when we got hired and were in Ottawa in less than 24 hours and that kind of pace did not stop the whole time we were here.

And I guess the one comment, so much sticks out and we could talk about this for hours. But one thing, you know, and you alluded to it is what the police officers have been saying for the last week and a half. I just want to reinforce to your viewers that from the moment we were here and dealing with our clients, we realized very quickly that they had been in connection and negotiations and discussions with police. Every single day, many times a day, people were talking to police all the time. And that's where I'm really saying now there was this crazy breakdown because, here they are in good faith talking to the police,

making their best efforts to do whatever, you know, the police is asking them to do. And then we hear from now everything that was happening on the other side of the conversation, the infighting between different police authorities, intel that comes from the

CBC or CTV rather than the senior OPP officer for Ontario. Just a lot of and them not being happy with the city negotiating with the protesters because I think they wanted to be in on it. But when we were on the ground, everyone was just preoccupied about safety, about making sure that there's nothing sinister going on, that there's no criminal activities going on. In fact, they were on the lookout to see if, oh, there's something on Facebook that is looking a little bit, you know, let's keep an eye. on this and alerting the police to it.

So that's one thing that really sticks out is the amount of communication every day, multiple times a day with the police and then hearing what was going on on the other side of that conversation. Well, you have, once again, I appreciate you giving me some of your thoughts on the convoy, but now, I mean, like, day 10, you know, as we sit here, it has been, you know, somewhere around the 90 hours of testimony, roughly. I mean, give or take, right? And so for the average person, they're going,

how on earth can I stay up to date on that? That's why I love doing these, because it kind of brings people from Ottawa that they're sitting there listening to it all and paying attention, the opportunity to bring people way up to speed. Because, you know, I was talking to actually Sheila Gunn-Reed from Rebel News last night on one of the podcast episodes. And I was saying, like, somebody asked, why you got her coming on? I'm like, well, you know, there's this commission going on in Ottawa.

Oh, what's that? And I was like, oh, boy. Now, I'm not chastising anyone, right? People are busy, back to life. They got things going on. Things are open up. Kids in hockey. I can list off a thousand things.

But one of the, you know, the hills to climb, so to speak, is it's tough to keep up because there's like a ton of witness testimony. In 10 days, you've been sitting there paying attention. What's stuck out to you so far that? people back home should know. Well, you know, it's been a lot of the same rhetoric from the politicians that we saw giving evidence. So that didn't really change even with hindsight and time to have a sober thought about what

was going on. So it was the same kind of rhetoric about violence and volatility and all of that stuff. They just need to keep going with that narrative, I guess. But what we have seen is incredible insight from the most credible police authority, I believe, that we've seen so far, the OPP. So the Ontario Police Force and their intelligence agencies and how they identified that there was no credible threat. So here we are, we're here to talk about the Emergencies Act and whether or not it was justified to invoke it. And I can count on my one hand how many times the word overthrowing of government has been used in the last 10 days, how many times the word terrorism has been used in the last 10 days.

It is, I'm pretty sure, zero. And that is why we are here. So if the Emergencies Act was invoked because of noise and bouncy castles, the federal government has a very big problem. And what I want to alert your viewers to, yeah, it's been a long 10 days. But in the next week, it looks like the protesters finally have a chance to tell their story and for the truth to come out. And I want to go back to your last question when you said, I don't know what you're privy to say. We have nothing to hide the protesters and us as lawyers.

Everything, we want the truth to come out. We're very happy to share the story. and we're very keen to have that televised on national television and for Canadians to see what the protesters did, what efforts they made, like I said, dealing with police, negotiating with the city, and really being the adults in the room is how I would put it. I'm glad you brought it up because we got, you know,

I got a lot of people that I'm very interested to see. As much as I want to see the cops dance and, you know, the politicians say, whatever the politicians are going to say, to have Tamara up there, to have Kramer up there, to have Chris up there, to have Tom up there, to have Dan Bulford up there. You know, these are people that I got to meet, know. Some of them have been on the show, a majority of them been on the show. And so it'll be very interesting for it to be live broadcast to the world to see what they have to say.

Because I think for, you know, as we know on this side, for so long, what they were saying was like kept off, you know? I wouldn't be surprised if a blackout came that day just so that it doesn't get to air. But you know, there's so many testimonies that what are they going to do, just black it out. I mean, at the end of the day, it'll be really cool for those people to have an opportunity to stand in front of, you know, Canada, so to speak. And I think it's good for the listeners to know that's coming up hopefully shortly. When will we know when the list is like, these are the names, or the order, sorry. Yeah, well, you know, we had anticipated getting it earlier, and I can't blame the commission on this entirely. and that we've made this public is we wanted,

the preliminary list that is on the website is that it's preliminary. And we've requested the commission to have more protesters, more from our side, more evidence from our side, and more witnesses from our side to be called. So that's, you know, I think they've been negotiating that along with the long days.

So I, well, we're going to have to know sometime this week what's happening, but definitely our story is coming out next week. Well, that'll be something for listeners to pay attention to. Once again, if you're listening to the podcast, just check the show notes. The link to where you can go watch it is sitting in there. And I encourage everybody to go watch some of it. Now, you said, I think, keep going with the narrative. You were talking about the cops.

You know, they just keep going with the narrative. And I'm wondering, when does it end? Like, at some point, can they just be like, actually, you know, yeah, they get caught in so many, like, yeah, that's right. Yeah, there was no danger. There was no provocation of needing the Emergencies Act, etc., etc. Or does the narrative play out for the next, you know, four weeks or whatever time we have left? Well, no, so I did say the politicians are continuing the narrative. We've seen some senior municipal, you know, workers, really high level that were very

truthful, very forthcoming that is saying that the protesters that they dealt with our clients were very reasonable and understood that they did not come here to impact Ottawa residents and wanted to do something to reduce those impacts. And so that's why we were able to very quickly come to an agreement with the mayor about moving the trucks to Wellington. So there was very good evidence there where we are constantly hearing that the protesters were unreasonable and and just looking to overthrow the government. So the narrative has changed. And then what you do see as well is from some police officers,

you could see the truth loud and clear. So I would encourage you to look at OPP Superintendent Pat Morris's evidence. And he is the top intelligence man for all of Ontario. So the top brass. Ottawa would be under him. So there you heard insanely credible evidence where he actually said the lack of violent offenses was shocking. In that small amount of time with so many people, what do you see on after Stanley Cup win? Lots of charges, lots of crazy.

Here we didn't see that. There was evidence that Brendan Miller put forward even to Steve Bell. And Steve Bell was one unfortunately had to keep playing that narrative. And we're thinking probably he's getting some kind of advisory position because he was playing that dance. And it was put to him that in 16 days there were five offenses. And yet out of his mouth, he kept saying that this was very volatile and hour by hour. It was escalating. And then you see those numbers.

So, you know, fact over fiction is what we're really seeing. and then when he was questioned and pressed on that violence, he had to say, well, it wasn't actual violence. It was the violence that the community felt. Yeah. It was, that's the reaction people had in the room too. Well, I told this story, maybe to Tom. I can't remember now.

I was saying, Eva, before we started this, that I've been battling a cold. And I swear my brain is just not firing all cylinders. I'm not supposed to admit that on air, but dang it. I'm like trying really hard here. And at times, it just is like, where am I going? Anyways, one of the things that I got told, and I told it the other day, yeah, laugh. I hope everybody's chuckling at me.

That's totally fine. This is how we roll here. I know a guy from Lloyd here who went there with his family, and it was, he got there, I believe, for the last day or two, and then drove around downtown after it was all gone. and he was telling his kids, look at all the windows. Like, there's nothing. There's no broken windows anywhere. And, I mean, you talk about after a Stanley Cup championship

or a Stanley Cup loss in Vancouver's history, you know, look at the damage and destruction that comes. And, you know, I think that's been showing over and over and over and again about how peaceful it was. And I would even take it, you know, I tell the story about going out like the second or third night because I heard Antifa was going to be running around the streets and causing havoc and whatever else. And so I finally got up to courage because I'm thinking, I don't want to run into those folks. And I walk out the door and within the first like 50 steps,

I ran into a family of five. The kids were, you know, seven, five, three or, you know, get the point, handing candy bags out to the truckers. And I'm like, man, stop listening to everybody else, go out and experience it because what happened there was, you know, and I'll keep saying it, one of the most peaceful things I wasn't there the entire time. I trust people such as yourself and others who were there right to the end that, well, and I've interviewed Spencer Boats, a trucker from Saskatchewan, who was there, one of the last trucks removed, right? And he said, talked about it. It's amazing that nobody threw a punch, that nobody got hauled off for, you know, whatever. And he's like, what is that? Oh, man, that's pretty incredible. Well, it was because they

knew what they were there for. And they were there to end mandates. And how's that going to help your goal if you're throwing punches? And one thing I do want to mention is, I've been getting a lot of statements recently from area residents and people brutally beat up by the police, getting quite a bit of stories from, you know, people across Canada. And today I was reading a statement from an Ottawa resident who lives not five minutes from where the commission is, so very close to the protest. And I was reading her statement, and she said that the only acts of assault she saw was assault on the trucks. So that was egg throwing and slashing of tires. Never any violence from the protesters to Ottawa residents. And then, of course, the police brutality that started after the

Emergencies Act was invoked. So exactly goes to that. But even, you know, even with protesters being instigated also didn't raise the temperature. They remained cool. Again, they were there. for one reason on one reason only was to end mandates yeah it's still I mean having a reason everything but even Tom talked about it last time he's on he said like at one point I just had to walk away because I could feel my training coming up and I was starting to boil and I recognized it and I walked away and I kind of got myself back together and and then came back and you think Tom ain't the only one there that could have could have fired some things up so to speak there was a lot of burly men

and a lot of women that I wouldn't want to meet to you know, on the wrong side of them either, right? And I mean that in the best way possible. There was just a lot of people there for a purpose. And maybe that's, you know, all you need it because you watch some of the videos, you see some of what went on towards the very end. And, you know, and then you just hear different people talk

about walking around there and seeing the lack of damage done. Actually, you know, it's the complete opposite. You know, the streets, in my opinion, were cleaner when, you know, after like day three of being there than they probably ever have been since the construction, you know, like it was just, wild I had one cop tell me you know so day like two and he was a up close to parliament and he said you know I yeah you guys be gone here in a couple days and whatever this is just no different and I was like oh you think so okay and he's like I'll tell you one thing I've never seen protesters

clean up after themselves and I give Andrew a ton of credit on here because he was the first guy that I know of that was going out at like one in the morning with garbage bags and cleaning everything up and making sure right and that just spread people see that and it spreads and it's super cool to watch and see. And obviously, you've seen that all firsthand for, you know, for the last six months.

I mean, it's, it's been a pretty cool, interesting group to have been around, I assume. Yeah, definitely. So I talked a bit about the violence and lack of violence,

excuse me, and aggression. But then the other thing, and I think you kind of touched on it, is the diversity of people. And it, that's something, you know,

it seems like the people in OPS at least couldn't wrap their heads around it because they were trying to profile the protesters. And they said, we've never seen anything like it. It was grandparents and families and aunts and uncles and former police officers. It's like, yeah, these are everyday Canadians of diverse backgrounds and diverse ages coming together because they all have a shared understanding. and want to express to their own government that you have gone too far now. And that's something as well that really is, and I think the narrative is slowly changing finally. And in fact, we hope to have some evidence come in next week where some people from minority groups,

and I've heard this from various now, that this is the first time that they felt kind of like a true, reconciliation in Canada. We all talk about it that have been there. It felt so joyous, so loving, so caring, so kind. So like truly what we want is Canadians' diversity. It was there. It was available and it was felt by the people there. And, you know, I really hope that we're able to get that message and that truth out next week as well.

Well, for the listeners, I got Chris Barber coming on next week, you know, barring any incident. and he would recall it, he would have had a heck of a view being at the front. But there was, and I can't remember the place, so I apologize to the community, but there was a First Nations community along the highway going out where the convoy literally crept along it like,

I don't even know. Was it a mile an hour? People were just walk on the road and giving food and bawling their eyes out and like, you can't unsee that stuff. You just can't. And I agree with that, that even for me,

I hear a ton of people. I have who say, you know, like, I was kind of ready to be done with Canada, you know, like, I'm just, I don't feel Canadian, I don't see, and you know, and, and you always try and be chipper about it, yeah, but we're Canadian, we're, uh, and then you saw that go and how all the different people came out. Because it wasn't, you know, you talk about profile, like, I don't, I did like eight convoy episodes where I interviewed different cars and semis and everything. And it was, like you say, from four college kids jammed in a car and I'm like,

where are you sleeping? To a married couple and a semi, to a dad taking his three kids, to on and on and on it went. And that was the entire convoy. It was something to behold. And I hope, well, and certainly you're going to have my eyes drawn to it next week because with people that I've met and interviewed and everything else, and I certainly think they need their time to talk, I think that's going to be some primetime television, if you will, for Canada, maybe the world. Yeah. Yeah. And then I, We're really here because of the federal government's decision to invoke the act. So let's not forget about that.

What we've seen so far is kind of setting the stage on a local level. You know, Ottawa and police authorities, what they're understanding, their actions in response, then the protesters. And then following that is going to be the federal government's reasoning for invoking the act. And honestly, that's where I really don't know what they're going to be bringing to the table, because we've now heard from what the intelligence was in Ontario. So this is what, this was a transcript I saw, I hope, of Trudeau from the 19th. So it said these illegal occupations were a real problem, not just for the residents of Ottawa and people across the country, but for our economy and the well-being of our democracy.

We did what we had in, had to in a responsible way. Yeah. And do you agree with that last, we did what we had to in a responsible way? No, not at all. And this is one thing I meant to mention before. Lots of the police officers to date have been saying that they could have done what they did with the authority they had at the time. Like there's a lot like how did the Kutz border get cleared up? How did the Windsor border get cleared up? You know, you arrest people, you move them away. It was just a lack of resources and many now have said and Brenda Lucky, we haven't had a chance to

examine her yet. But there is an email. that says exactly that we have. We have not exhausted all options yet. We don't need basically the Emergencies Act yet. That came up yesterday in evidence, the email. But many, I don't think not one police officer has said they've kind of been on, you know, a little bit gray, but not one has said we needed the Emergencies Act in order to deal with the protest.

Which I think is good for people to hear. We've pretty much covered off a bunch of this, but I think it's also good for people here. Have they had any proof of foreign actors or that they had any documentation of that? Because that was a huge thing that it was a collusion with, I mean, just you can rattle off. Anyone, a donkey.

Absolutely, right? Has any of that been brought forward? So again, back to OPP superintendent, and this is intelligence superintendent for all of Ontario, top, top guy for intelligence in Ontario. he actually spoke to that. And he said there was no credible information about that, about violent extremists, no credible information.

And then if you hear the government of Canada's lawyers cross-examining him after, it was a little bit like grasping at straws. But what about a lone actor? And wouldn't that? Yeah. And he said that is a possibility. That's always a possibility. But you can't prevent that from happening.

And so, you know, all those false narratives were disproven. And he actually spoke about how the media's perpetuation of the misinformation caused problems with them being able to act on the real information. You know, that's, once again, I love having somebody who's sitting right there, having to pay attention to testimonies and different things. When you talk about Pat Morris, do you recall what data is? Because if people want, they can go on the show notes, they can click on the website, and they can go exactly to the day and go listen to them.

And I can send them directly there because I think as you keep talking, it's becoming very clear that they need to go listen and watch that one examination for the hour or two or longer that it is. I'm looking at my TikTok because I'm trying to do it daily. Oh, yeah, so day five. Day five. You know, I do a little update. Would that be something they get Chris Barber up there?

And they're like, well, your TikTok shows. And you're like, that's where we've come to in society, isn't it? Well, you know, and I think that's the beautiful part with, like I said, with our story, with the protester's story is basically everything was documented, especially somebody like Chris Barber. He was doing two, three, five, ten TikToks a day. Like, he has not much to hide. all. And I really mean he has nothing to hide. He broadcast it to half a million people saw some of

his TikToks at the time. So, you know, if they just play his TikTok one after the other, that that's his evidence. But I guess we'll see what what they will be asking him. Of course, there's, you know, background details that we'll get into the weeds about. Yeah, well, they're going to, they're going to try and build the story about him being an extremist or whatever, you know, they try and do. You know, when I came into this, Sora, I'm going to cut you off there. Sure. I thought there was going to be a bigger challenge with that. But like I said, back to OPP Officer Morris, who was my favorite person to hear, he got rid of that.

So they would have identified, for example, Chris Barber as somebody that is a person of interest. They did not. So they can't make up this evidence now. Isn't that wild? Yes. Like when you think about that, this little podcast had Chris Barber as a man of interest, you know? I would say- But he wasn't a man of interest.

That's the crazy part. I understand, but like people out here knew that he was a man of interest. I mean, like, I interviewed him. He was a great human being. I don't mean to say that he had this great plot. I just mean to say that how is it a small-time little podcaster and others can be like, Chris Barber? Yeah, yeah, I'd like Chris.

and the police, you know, all order detectives and everything can't identify one of the guys. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know what they were doing in the background there. It's been quite, um, well, and you don't have to have an answer. I just, I just think that's wild. Like, it's wild to say out loud, right? Like, it's like, I feel like, you know, him being on the commission makes complete sense. But now you're saying they can't go, you were an extremist because they didn't, it's like, oh, yeah. You're right. So what are they going to talk to him about?

Moving trucks, which is what he was doing. And then, you know, I'm really excited for him to talk about how hard he worked to get those trucks to Wellington, according to the deal with the mayor and working with the police. Like you'll see how, like what a good guy he was to help, again, implement the thing. And like I said earlier, the protesters were the adults in the room. Now we see it, all this infighting between different police and different. government agencies, and unfortunately, the protesters were ping-ponged between these people, these groups. Yeah, isn't that, that's probably, you know, when you look at the 10 days, it's probably one of the noticeable things, all the different, and I don't mean to call them factions because they're not factions, divisions or whatever it is in the police services, and how much,

man, there was a lot of confusion going on between all those subsets of groups and people and it's almost at time. Not hard to follow, but there's a lot going on in the policing side of this thing. I'm having a hard time following, definitely. And one thing, too, to go with that is, you know, we're seeing this disconnect and miscommunication, misunderstanding. Even within the OPS today, we heard Superintendent Drummond talk about that. Oh, that was another case of misinformation, miscommunication or whatever.

And yet they expected these independent, truckers that came across the country didn't know each other before, you know, January 18th and then even then, not until they came to Ottawa. They expected them all to work together like they're like some kind of well-oiled organization. You know, I'm listening to this now and I'm like, so they're saying, well, Tamara or Tom couldn't control everyone. Yeah, because they're independent truckers. You can't control your own departments and communicate clearly. throughout the ranks, it seems. So don't expect that on just these guys that came together, guys and girls that came

together to protest. Yeah. Realistic. Absolutely. There was, you know, not only that, but just backgrounds and languages, you know. Yeah. I hate to break everybody, but there's this place called Quebec that showed up in full force. And there's a little bit of a language barrier there too, you know?

Yeah, but there was the language of love. Before I let you go, I guess I should have started off here. I don't know why the brain's slowly catching up to me, I guess. When this thing's done, everybody's had their peace. Anybody going to jail? What's coming out of it? What do you want to come out of it? Is there anything going to come out of it other than the truth?

Waiter and on the parade, John. No, it is the truth. 100% that is, that's the one thing we're going to get out of it at the beginning, the commissioner. I made an excellent opening statement and I do encourage people to read that or watch it on the webcast day one transcript. He says that criminal charges are not forthcoming from this or civil actions. But what we are going to know is when the truth does come out, things can, there can be lawsuits as a result if, you know, it's really clear that the government mishandled this or the police mishandled this. That's

not preventing anyone from taking further action. Unfortunately no, nobody gets fired because of this, but what you can do is have pressure. And politicians should feel the pressure from their electorate.

So if it's very clear about the emergencies not being required, we've heard unfortunately Jagmead Singh say that even if that is the case, he's going to continue to support his BFS, Justice Trudeau. But we can continue the pressure on the politicians, on the MPs, and say that, you know, enough is enough. This is where the government went too far. It was a peaceful protest. The protesters did what they could. And then what happened? They were beaten by the government,

by the police, because the government told them to, and that is wrong in. Canada and that is not correct and we need this addressed and we need this addressed by an election and we want to see some kind of action that way. I hate to rain on the parade. I just, I want to, I want to bring people's expectations into where, you know, at the end of this, the truth is a lovely thing. I think it's been trying to be hid for too long, in my own humble opinion. And I think majority of the population, I don't know what that number is, already knows that, but you're trying to convince people that think these people were terrorists. and we're there to, you know, burn the city down and, you know, on the list goes,

the truth might be the best thing, you know, I'm not saying that, you know, you bring up Jagmeat and Justin, you know, yeah, I think we all see it for what it is. We all want them both gone. But what are you going to do? I mean, this is sadly the game of where we're at, which I don't like, but you have to sit and you've got to listen to the testimonies, you've got to see what comes of it. And if you're sitting on the fence, you start listening this stuff. Let me tell you, you're going to have a pretty eye-opening experience of like, oh, if you didn't follow along from the beginning, you know? And I think that's, you know, I hate to rain on the parade,

but I just wanted to know for myself and for the listener. I think it's good that they have an idea of what's happening here, you know, when this is all said and done. No, you did turn it around. It started with firing somebody, but the truth will come out. And so I just, I thought it was a fun comment. So I threw it in it. But I am with you, Sean, 110.

percent is the truth is so important, especially because of how it's like two different movies we've been watching. It's not even a little bit of a comparison. It's like hell on earth and heaven on earth. There was no middle ground. And that is so important for it's like good versus evil. This is what the fight is basically. So that truth is going to be very powerful. Yeah, I totally agree. before I let you go, is there anything else that we haven't covered that you're like, oh, we should make sure we talk about X or have we covered off majority of it? No, I think we got everything. What I do, you know, I'll continue with what we were saying is I encourage people to watch.

I encourage people in Ottawa that are interested in coming to Ottawa and observing in person to come, especially now with the protesters coming. It'd be lovely to have support in the room and also when the federal government. government is that because again this is the federal government that enacted this very very harsh legislation on peaceful protesters and we should be looking them in the eye if possible and saying, you know, I don't agree with this and make it more uncomfortable for them. Again, there are public servants and they should be serving the public and they need to see the public. The Zoom world has maybe made them a little bit less feeling. Yeah, you said it perfectly.

It's high time. There's been too much. And I think I can say for most of the listeners, you wish at the end of this, it was just people pulled out of positions, this one called the Prime Minister, and hauled off and been done with. But we know that's not the way this game is played

or story works out, at least at this point. So I appreciate you doing this with me, Eva. And I look forward to, you know, following along and seeing if you, you know, who knows, maybe we'll get you back off. for roundtable down the road to give us some more updates. That would be lovely. Very nice chatting with you, Sean.