Shaun Newman Podcast - SNP/WS Roundtable #9 - Chris Barber

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

Truck driver, business owner & TikTok star. We discuss the commission, his testimony and the experience of being back in Ottawa. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

Good evening and welcome to the Sean Numerit Show on the Western Standard. Tonight we were talking Public Order Emergency Commission along with a little censorship. I'm joined tonight by a long-haul truck driver, business owner, and maybe more known as a TikTok star, Chris Barber. So first off, Chris, thanks for hopping on with me. Good to see you, Sean. Hope things are well. Yeah, man, things are good on this side.

I was saying to before we started, it was episode 236 on the podcast, where you pulled over on the side of the highway and we had this, I would call, about as harmless a chat as you're going to have. I didn't think there was anything too crazy in it, considering some of the things that I'd had on and doctors and things that have been said and everything else.

And it was shortly after that my entire YouTube channel got removed because of views good sir. So that shows where we're at in the world certainly back then and the world has progressed since then. I don't know if it's progressed that much. much, though. Well, definitely in the world of social media and the

bias towards, you know, certain people like yourself and I out here, I can definitely tell you I've been censored a lot on social media. Mostly for my own doing, I want to say, you know, breaking community guidelines and being kind of an ass on social media, but I take more responsibility for that. But you and our

conversation was nothing to be banned over. Yeah, I am, it's funny, the world of censorship is interesting because just asking questions is dangerous these days. I don't find, like, I don't mean dangerous in the sense of harm from anyone, you know, and I get the odd angry listener, but for the most part, it's dangerous in the sense that you

just get removed from platforms or community guidelines. And when you push on the guide, well, what did I say? I said a word, you know, there was this word, Ivermectin back in the day that you really got people uppity. That was a bad one. And then, of course, what we were talking about at the time was the upcoming. trucker convoy and that certainly as everybody saw

was censored pretty hard and pulled from everywhere. It was interesting watching Tom Marazzo. I've been with him for the weekend as he was leaving the inquiry in Ottawa. This is where I am by the way. I'm in Ottawa right now taking part in the inquiry for the emergencies act taking part in watching every day.

My testimony was a few days ago. November 1st, yeah. Remember 1st? Yeah, I think things went well. As Tom was leaving the inquiry yesterday the media asked for a comment and he says, I don't know if he's seen there or not. He put his hat up and said, you guys haven't told the truth in three years.

I don't want to talk to you. And he kept walking. Well, I mean, from your side, from Tom's side, from a lot of the people that are at least getting an opportunity to get up on stage, be asked questions, share their part of the story, and actually be televised so that people can go watch it. Has that been, I don't know, interesting?

Is it, like, enjoyable? I don't know what the word to put there, Chris, because, I mean, for so long, you know, you weren't really asked any questions, you were putting a box and shoved under the bed, so to speak, and kind of left there to rot. And I think that's, I was watching a bit of Pat King's testimony yesterday, too, and he kind of, you know, he summed it up quite well. He said a lot of our freedoms have been taken away from us because Tamara and I were charged. We still face, we're facing six indictable offenses right now.

Tamara's conditions are quite significant. Mine are a little less. I can remain on social media. My conditions are that I'm not allowed to support a convoy remaining in Ottawa or moving anywhere else, and the convoys, it's done, and it's not coming back. It's still going to be careful, and I've got to be really careful of what we say, so having the chance to speak the other day

was a chance to, it kind of like, it was nice to be heard. It was almost nice to be, you know, to vindic figure, we've indicated ourselves from some of the injustice has been set against it. You know, sitting on this side, I've been saying, I found it really enjoyable. The days are long, don't get me wrong. Just sit and watch like nine, 10, 11 hours of testimony is a lot.

And saying that when you get people up there that have certainly even been on the podcast or been, you know, figures from out west, like, you know, today as we speak, Tamara's going to be on today. I think there's going to be a whole bunch of people that are going to tune into that. Because, I mean, like, we've been, you haven't heard boo from her. and how long, right? She's excited. She's super, I spent the night with her last night,

like in the hotel, or in their apartment with the lawyers. We cannot be seen without lawyers. So legal counsel is always present. And we've taken this opportunity to do a lot of work together that we haven't been able to talk about things that happen. She's super stoked.

She's ready to go. That girl is like a spitfire, and she can't wait. Well, how was the experience on stage? Because I'm curious, you know, I was going to say, like, from my end, I kind of enjoy having 10 different lawyers try and grill you, right? Because they each have what they're trying to get out of you. Was the experience the same sitting on stage or were you like, man, by, you know, hour two, you're like, oh, this is a bit much.

You know, and Keith told me this beforehand. He said, you know, you're three or four hours, whatever you're on a stand for is going to go by really fast. And I found that was accurate. I was nervous as can be. I didn't sleep awake the night before. Keith asked me in the morning as we were. walking is did you sleep i said not a wink keith i'm exhausted and he said good because that makes for a good a good testimony you need to be tired you need to be nervous and i definitely was i kind of got into a

routine i felt comfortable talking everybody who was there um the inquiry lawyers he was really he was good he was looking for the truth he wasn't looking to bury anybody or or mislead anyone he was fair awesome to deal with paul champ i mean paul he's got a i think he's he's he's he's a good a $400 million lawsuit on myself and a lot of other people right now. So his questions were pretty fair. I thought he was decent. And the government lawyers, I was expecting some hard questions from some of them. And whether they were hard or not, I kind of went past him and didn't feel like they were that hard to answer.

We have the truth, John. Like we have the absolute truth. So we have nothing to hide, nothing to be scared of as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, well, that's the one thing I was going to say. When you're not trying to concoct a story, I don't think you really have too much to worry about, you know? Like I speak awfully high. You know my thoughts on you. I speak awfully highly of you because I got to interact with you before and then while I was there for my brief time.

And you've always been a guy, I think, at least from what I've seen, who conducts himself in the right way. Now, I was chuckled because you said, you know, you've violated some computer. guidelines. And in your testimony you even said, you know, if and I'll butcher the words, Chris, but something along the lines of, you know, I've really learned some things since before and after the convoy. Some

certain things have really changed me. Has that been ushered in on social media then as well? Absolutely. Yeah, in the testimony the other day we played one of the videos I'd put out during the convoy and then I apologize to Justice River for the language in it and so

that was something else that I've improved since consent too. You know, I think seeing some of the young kids that look up to me and knowing that some people look at me as a role model has really changed my attitude when it comes to social media. I'm still

somebody comes at me on social media I'm still going to give it back to him. I'll just do it a little bit different now without the language and in the heart I'm still a troll, but it's a different kind of troll. I don't usually go after people that don't deserve it and I've never done that. I go after the people

that come after me or the people that I respect they like. So yeah, I think it's a good thing. Like I said the other day, if anybody's grown a lot, you know, nobody's grown as much as me, morally and it's just just a different feeling.

Well, so many eyes on you, right? Like, I mean, you think Chris Chris Barber of January, whatever that date was, you know, episode 236, was, I joke in the start of it. I'm like, I have no idea who you are. I'm like, I'm pretty sure nobody knows who you are, right?

Being a little bit tongue in cheek, because obviously you had a TikTok following back then. But, I mean, over the course of the next, you know, since that date of talking, you know, over the course of a month, you've kind of been on a rocket ship to, you know, infamous, if nothing else, right? Like your name has become on the same page as Tamara. And Tamara is the one who go, you know, they issue across Canada warrant, come get. yanker back, right? Like just some wild stuff has gone on. How is being back in Ottawa been?

You know, you haven't been there since you left, I assume. To go back into that city, how has that been? I can honestly say it's been really good. I yet to have a bad experience here. In saying that, right? The people in Ottawa, I can see there's some people that are not happy, and I can understand that. I've seen positive, and I see a lot of people positive in a day,

and that makes my day more positive. It's good to be back. It's good to see the city a little bit better, and it's good to connect those people again and visit, get along. I'll probably be heading home sometime on Monday, I'm sure. I've got to get back to work eventually. I was going to ask. You come back from Ottawa.

You got all these conditions, on you. None of them said you couldn't be hard working, I don't think. Have you been back to driving the long haul? Yeah, I never stopped. I got home and it was immediately, I think I took a week off just to kind of regain a little bit of composure and get a grasp on where things were. And I jumped back in red, and we've been trucking ever since. So this is the first winner. Big Red? He's my baby. Yep. I almost didn't know whether to introduce you, Chris, is Big Red or Chris. You know, it's funny, I don't know if I told you this story or not.

But when we caught up to you guys, geez, I can't remember now. I think it was after Thunder Bay. I think it was the day we left Thunder Bay. Anyways, there was a stop at some, you know, one of the stops. And I was saying to my sister at the time, I was like, man, I got to find Chris Barber. And we're walking around trying to find you. Anybody seen Chris Barron. Who, Chris Barber?

Okay, yeah, who? Yeah, okay. And finally somebody's like, who did you say? And I'm like, I'm looking for Chris Barbara. And they're like, you mean Big Red? And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, oh, yeah. And as soon as I said Big Red, 10 hens turn around that I'd ask,

and like, oh, yeah, Big Red. He's standing right over there. You know, your truck became just as famous as you were at one point. Well, that's my truck, right? Big Red has been known around the prairies for a number of years for the amount of stuff that I haul, the big stuff that I haul. I've been quite prominent on social media for a few years. And like I said, I've known around Saskatchewan for being that guy, I guess, in Alberta.

And then things just kind of blew up from there. But, you know, the real story behind Big Red would be for my kids. My Jonathan and Sierra, my two children, when they were just toddlers and little ones, and I'd come home with the Big Red. They would try and say, here comes the Big Red truck. And then the way they said it, of course, was hilarious because it couldn't pronounce it. So it was Big Truck Truck. And anyway, Big Red was just known as Big Red after that.

and then I've adopted that name because of her. How long have you had that truck then for? I bought that truck brand new November 27th of 2003. Big Red has about 3.2 million kilometers on it. She's my baby. It's sitting at home in the shop. She's done for the winter now. I'll pull it out in the spring and drive it.

How many engines does that sucker gone through? Well, we did an in-frame on the engine at 1.7 million. kilometers and then just the last number of months here we did an engine transplant so we took the existing engine out it was pretty much war right out it was going to be about an 80,000 dollar build or rebuild the engine and so what I did was I found a donor truck with an older what they call it a 6NZ single turbo it's an older model pre-emission yet and we did a swap on it so now she's got a healthier motor in it and it a little bit cheaper to rebuild I uh Dad's a trucker.

Right now, I got a group of truckers listening going, oh, that is. And then I got a bunch of people going, Sean, who cares? I'm going, at the end of the day, I'm going, why? I mean, obviously, sentimental value. But why not just get a new Big Red? Why not just go find, you know, the next latest edition of Big Red and Carry On? It's my baby. I fell in love with that truck the moment I've seen it.

And I'm still friends with the salesman that sold it to me 20 years ago. he's retired now and he sends me a message every now and you know that was the worst truck that he ever sold or the worst dealer ever sold because it never came back i don't think i ever took the truck back for warranty or anything like it has been the best truck the guy could you know i love it and and i've had other trucks i've bought trucks and run them and put drivers and them and that sort of thing but big red's been my baby and she's just she's just my girl it's just you got that feeling with her when you're in and i haven't think kind of this is my wife won't like me saying this but i've always had a fascination with redheads right but i've

never my wife was not a redhead but i was joked that that you know big red is the only redhead that my my wife will let me crawl into and pick off with every week and i don't i won't get in trouble for that uh uh i'm going to pull you back to the commission now i've talked about trucks yeah man that's that's that's that's pure gold i might just release that as a clip that that right there is perfect What are you hoping comes out of the commission, Chris? You know, you've got to testify. You know, you've got to see Tom Marazo.

You know, Keith Wilson was yesterday. Today's Tamara. Like, do you got a couple more dates you've penciled on? Like, I'd really like to see these people. Obviously, Tamara would be a big one. And then aside from people you want to see or people you want to see you get on the stand, you know. I mean, you got the prime minister at one point is going to be up there. which should be, I think should be interesting.

I don't know. Like, I think that'll be good. What are you hoping comes out of it? I'm honestly, accountability. And the truth is my biggest, the biggest thing that's for me. You said people that I'm looking forward to, Danny Boulford is tomorrow afternoon. And Danny Boulford, as you know the history of Danny Boulford.

We're talking XRCMP sniper on the roof that used to do the job for the auto, you know, he's the city of Ottawa, the parliamentary committee to the people. Danny's a powerful man, and he is a very well-spoken man. I've got a lot of respect for him. And he gets to close this thing out tomorrow.

So it should be a little different to listen today. I know James Bouter's on today with Canada to Unity, and there's going to be some really harsh questions about that, the MOU that was produced. They're going to question on the the deal later to that. That's come up in all of our questions so far. We've all given her honest opinion on it.

know that's made a few people mad you know me i'll say what i what's on my mind and i'll stand behind it and everything i've said i've said for a reason so i can't i can't wait for the truth honestly and people keep saying if you're going to come and i yet to see that you know with the amount of stories that are coming out now how's that guy going to sit on the stand and try and defend himself but there was innocent people that were beaten and hurt it's not it's not good what is uh what is maybe surprised like have you watched uh you know i i what were we on day 15 rank I want to say. How much of it have you watched

and has anything surprised you? Bridget did pretty good yesterday, I think, for her. Some of the stories in the front, like the law enforcement and Steve L. There's some pretty far-fetched stories in there from some of the stuff that I could remember,

but we'll see how it comes up in light. I mean, you've got one side portraying completely different against the other side. And yesterday I think Paul Champ was pretty key-oed that the citizens of Ottawa only got two days on the stand compared to a week for law enforcement, a week for the convoy people, and then a week for the politicians. So I think this is about the truth and the answers, and I think that's going to still come out. So we're working on it, man. How was the atmosphere, you know, to the listener over here watching the screen, you get to kind of get a kind of get a feel of the room it kind of feels like I don't know maybe a stage and then the

the commissioner and and you know and then just a grouping of chairs it looks half empty half the time like you can get a feel for if it's like this somber place to go or if it's you know like what were there protesters out I have no idea like give a listener a little bit of an idea Chris of going to this building and and you know I don't know I'm trying to get a feel for what actually happens from the moment you step off the plane to get in this building? Well, so we're just up to hotels just south of the building, so we literally walk down the street and in. So as Tamara, Keith, Eva, and I and Tom are walking down the street, the

paparazzi, you can see them clicking their cameras as they're coming and they are microphones in front of your face trying to get your comment, you go through security. I've got a, I've got my own pass, I can actually say that I've got like a deal here so we'll try and do that. Look at that. Here's Barbara right there. That gets me through security. Everybody is awesome.

They're going to tell you security inside the building. They're amazing. They're always happy to see you and they're always talking to you, pat me on the back. You kind of walk into the room and yeah, last week was pretty quiet. There wasn't very many people in the seats. This week, I think it's been the last few days

has been pretty full. people want to hear the story out front there's one person out there with a she's got a little trailer pulling around with a go-home terrorist Hong Kong sign or something like that and she's I walked out the door yesterday and she's

flipping me of the two the two fingers and I just waved and smiled back it's a good thing and I think Justice Rulow you know I've heard a lot of people that have said you know like he's handpicked by Trudeau you know I actually I think this guy's an honest guy. I believe

he's a good judge. And from what I've seen of him, his conduct up there, you know, when I got off my the stand and I went to walk away, I had reached a hand out. He took it happily. And, you know, he's talkative and he's smiling. You can tell he's a,

he's got a good head on his shoulders. Yeah, honestly, I think everybody pointed that out when he first got announced. Everyone's like, oh man, this isn't going to be good. But I haven't watched, I can't sit here and say I've watched every hour of testimony, but I've watched, I'm going to say, more than the fair share of Canadians.

And he's impressed me even with some of the questions he has at the end. I don't want to give the guy a complete, you know, you're the man who's been on stage and, you know, sat by him and watched him firsthand. But honestly, everything I've seen from the live streams, he's handled the situations, pretty good. Even the, even the, can we say bizarre at times,

Bridget's lawyer, I forget her name, but there was a couple of times there where I'm like, oh man, this is off the rails. Like maybe they just need to take a break, let them figure out what they want to do, and he just, you know, calm as, you know, just like water off the ducks back. And I was like, as the watch

Jane Scarf, she brought her dog into the courtroom the other day. She's not a lawyer. She's a paralegal, apparently. And her and her sidekick, Rebecca, something like that. They've taken the task because, you know, Keith schooled them yesterday is what Keith did, in my opinion.

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a paralegal, but I can tell you what, I kind of had a visit with Bridget afterwards, and they said, you know what? You've got to be careful with that one, because if you watch their social media feeds and the amount of trouble they caused and the amount of disruption they've caused in the system,

they don't know what they're talking about and they're talking shit about everybody and I mean everybody like they're going after Keith now and they've gone after myself in the past and just stop it was almost embarrassing and then I heard I wasn't there that day I actually went after my testimony

went back and had a nap because I was so damn tired and I missed part of it but you know the dogs started barking in the courtroom like what kind of conduct is that I don't have an answer for you once again I was just I was just the common viewer. And watching it go, I've watched, you know, has there been times where you're like,

oh man, this cop or or politician or whatever? Like you're like, oh my goodness. This was on a different level. For the listener who hasn't watched that, that would be November 1st the same day. Chris testified. You can go back and watch it. And it's just, and the crazy thing is,

there's a ton of what Bridget says that is, so meaningful, so important. But the questioning that she had from her own paralegal, lawyer, whatever, counsel, was painful, was very painful. And I think anytime that happens, it does probably more harm than anything, because up to that point, I think you could pick out a couple of citizens of Ottawa that were painful. And you could pick out maybe the odd police that was a little bit painful, but not in the sense of like unorganized and not asking

questions that were relevant and bogging it down. It was more of like, wow, this testimony is something else. You know, you're going to be back home here very soon, a few days. You're going to leave Ottawa. You're going to head home. What's next for Chris?

Is there in the back, you know, in the purview you mentioned being sued by Paul Champ and not just yourself, but others. You know, you got work coming back up, I'm sure, and it'll be a pedal to the metal. But what's next for Chris in regards to all this? Is there much? Are you paying attention to much? Do you got to be back out in Ottawa at any point in time? What's next for Chris? Well, Tamara and I will be charged. We are charged together. Our court dates is set for September 5th, 2023. We're going to be, we'll be tried together, and there'll be about a three-week trial from what this day.

So we've got trial prep for that coming up. I'm going to get ready for that. We've got a, what did they call it now? A charter rights violation that we petitioned for for my cell phone evidence being released to the crowns and to the media and to the general public. The 4,200 pages that was dumped out for the public. You know, my personal conversations with, you know, a lot of people, let's say. A lot of people that shouldn't have been on there.

And it was a privacy breach, of course, in my opinion. So we've got that coming up in February, March, something like that. I got to get back to work. I'm going to help Jonathan. He's trucking at home. Running the business. I told him I'd help him on the icy roads for his first year.

I've got a pilot truck that I can run. I've got paperwork I can do for the winter until I fire it up in the spring. Most excitingly, I'm going to go to Calgary for November 9th, 19th, sorry, 19th of November, Jamie Sillet and Theo Flurry. It was, what, a couple months ago? You and I were in Calgary for the grand opening for Canadians for Truth for Joseph Forgo.

Yeah, I get to be on that show in 19th for Jamie and Theo's fire a nice episode. So I'm excited. It's going to be kind of cool. Tickets are on sale now of, I think it's called Eventbrite, or through Canadians for Truth.com, I believe. Yeah, I was saying to beforehand, anytime you get on stage, you know, if I can make it there, not to sound like a fan boy, folks, and just enjoy the conversation because you've seen, you know, yourself and Tameran, Tom and I mean you can extend it to Bridget and and Dan Bulford I mean Daniel I almost forgot that he's going to testify how sad is that I'm supposed to be having him back on here after he's done as

well because Dan has been on the podcast multiple times and once again I met him for the first time in Ottawa and what a beautiful family and man he is he'll be very interesting because he has an interesting perspective but anytime you guys get on the stage you're one of very few people that have such an insight into one of the biggest events in Canadian history. I mean, it's sure to be a fantastic listen, I would think. I mean, you're going to stick Theo Flurry and Jamie Slate. I laugh because I was on stage with those two, and I can't see that not being entertaining, if nothing else.

Well, it's kind of funny. I was talking to Theo yesterday. I did this Patriot Warrior show and just give him with that. And he said, I said, I can't wait for it. buddy, it'll be nice. Once I get past the nervousness of being on the stage and knowing there's like 200 people watching the audience. And he said, well, Jamie's going to be the one that's easy on you. I'm the asshole. Remember that. And hey, listen, I used to be nervous of the stage and now I'm saying this the other day.

It feels almost like a little bit of a second home. You know, this weekend coming up, I'm on the stage with Quick Dick McDick and 222 minutes. We got a little bit of SMP presents a comedy show if you will uh i think it'll be a followed by a live podcast right so that the the i'm gonna like quick dick in 222 minutes to do their thing and then we get up and we we we uh we do a live podcast at the end which should be a ton of fun but uh i remember being terrified at the stage and then i don't know something clicked in my head maybe where i just uh i decided it was like it was the next rink you know like uh played hockey all my life oh it's just the next here's the ice sheet now i get to walk around it instead of you know whatever to me

Just picture big, you know, picture that redhead you're on the way with every weekend and you'll be fine, you know? Like, you get in the comfy chair and you sit back and away you go. I think you'll be, well, you'll be a natural. Your testimony was fantastic. Yeah, I was really happy to do that turn out. So I'm hoping it was, I hope we got the whole right light across. I've seen somebody criticizing me the other day on TikTok and I went, dude, you know, like you weren't there. But everybody's got an opinion, right?

There's a saying about that. I won't say it because there's some bad words in this thing. Well, and the other thing is, Chris, you're not, it's not like you haven't had your moments. You even meant, you know, we talked about it right early on, about some things you've released on on social media. You're kind of like, yeah, that was, that was inappropriate. That was just growing.

And one of the tough things about society right now is allowing, you know, indiscretions from the past, right? Like, yeah, that was like five years ago. I hope I've grown since then, you know, et cetera, et cetera. It's just tough because most people can go back on anyone at this point.

I'm sure if somebody wants to dig something up on the podcast, there's almost 400 of them now. There will be something stupid, I said. I guarantee it. And if they want to pull that out of context or just pull it out and say, this is what he thinks, instead of going to you and finding out what you actually think,

it's easy to really take somebody and put them in a certain light and expose that to the world when instead of just going on out and finding out how they actually think as of today Jeremy McKenzie is going to be an interesting guy on the stage because he is a guy that has a lot of things in his closet so to speak because he's a man who does a three-hour show and likes to drink and likes to say things that are make us all a little uneasy at times. I'll be the first to admit, I've been one of the worst out there

probably just as no, maybe even worse than Jeremy. I don't know, but I can tell you, I told this to my son a couple weeks ago. I said, you know what, but there's one thing I've learned as an adult now, I guess maybe going through this experience,

is be careful what you post on social media. I mean, honestly think before you post because, you know, in the past, anybody that knows me, knows my personality, knows what I used to do, what I do. It's a dark humor and it's a side that you don't necessarily need to take part in anymore. I realize that now, but I told Jonathan, I'm like, he'll come back and bite you in the ass someday, regardless of how innocent you think it is at the time.

And that's true, 100% true. And he's not very vocal on social media. So that's a bonus. Neither one of my children are they talk and they do stuff on social media, but they don't post controversial things like their dad did. How has, you know, how has, this may be one of the things I should have brought up is how has family life been? I know your son went with you. How has this affected the family?

I don't know if you're willing to talk about it, Chris, but I assume this has been, for you, it's been obviously a whirlwind. How hard has it been or easy, whichever way it goes for your family, for your wife, for your kids? My family history, you know, I'm a divorce. Yeah, I remarried, my beautiful wife, Raelle, with her. She brought two children into the mix. And then, of course, I brought my two children into the mix. So we're a mixed family. I've got a beautiful relationship with my ex-wife.

We co-parent her children. Absolutely amazing. I've always been something that's something I've always been proud of. My 17-year-old daughter was, you know, almost fell lonely. She lives with her mother and stuff current when I'm home on the weekends or home whenever. She's usually out at the farm. But now she's 17. She's got a job.

You know, she goes to youth. a couple times a week and then she's on Sunday she's busy with church and her family there I don't see her as much as I used to I don't think and it's just because she's becoming that teenager, the busy teenager. So a little bit, I've got to put

a little more effort into it now. I've got to send her the messages I got to spend. She was pretty upset knowing that it was coming to Ottawa she was thinking, you know, last time it wasn't a pretty good experience. I took her out and spent the night with her and had a good time. My son, he's got his own truck now and he's trucking with me. Couldn't be prouder of that kid. He's really stepped up and he's really a smart, intelligent kid.

My wife would like to go back to the days of old when it was just her and I. I know that. It's definitely hard to have that balance now because you're pulled in 15 different directions and she's probably the one that takes the, it hits the most, I say. So I try and give her those nights, you know, before I flew out here, we went to Regina. We went out for supper at Red Lobster in Regina. And on the way to the bathroom, somebody recognized me. So then he was at the table a couple of times telling me and telling us how, you know, thanks, you know, and this and that.

And it's awesome to see that. He bought a supper. And my wife was like, we can't get a minute, you know that right? She says it with a smile on her face. And she's a hint to sincerity there, too. I took her out for a movie and popcorn and filled into the hotel that night. And I give her those nights. And at home during the summertime, we spent a lot of time on our side-by-side-by-side.

ripping through the river hills, having a gale time. A lot of times where we go, there's no cell service, so that makes we even happier. So it's a balance, I say, and it's just trying to find that balance to fit everybody's needs. It's tricky. I'll be the first to admit that. Well, from one Canadian to another, I certainly do appreciate, you lead in the way. There's very few things I try and throw too much of a bias behind because I try to, you know, stay. I always say I got my biases.

I mean, I'm not perfect. But when it came to this cause, to what the group of you did, I think I said it best on the last podcast when it's like, why had none of us thought about this? You know, this makes perfect sense. My father grew up trucking, and he always said, and I'll say it again, you know,

you want to shut down a country, piss off the truckers. Well, I think that was done in spades, and you saw what happens. and I mean from one Canadian to another Chris and I hope one day maybe on the 19th of November I'll get to Calgary and I'll get to see you again but do appreciate you hopping on the show and do appreciate what what you've stood for and I'll be watching you know as the commission goes on because we still got weeks to go I'll be continuing to keep up on that but you've brought up a good point with your with your court cases in that coming in 2023 I think there'll be a lot

the Canadians paying close attention to that because I think I would love nothing more than to have you be able to speak freely again and not worry about conditions and, you know, different things that can get you, you know, in a real pickle, you know. Yeah, I've been extremely careful. I've done everything in my power to, you know, to watch what happens. I'm hoping I, like I said, it's something that I don't sleep well with the night knowing that I had that over my head. But coming from my past, I have, you know, as much of an ass as I've been on social media,

I've never been arrested before. I've never been in the back of a police car. I've never been in a jail cell before. So a lot of things have happened in the last year that have changed the dynamics of me quite a bit, I'd have to say. But it is what it is, and we're here for the long haul. All right. Well, Chris, I'll let you get back to your morning and make sure that you,

or make sure you get back to, you know, the testimony that's coming in. up here very shortly. But I appreciate you giving me some time this morning making this work. When you're back out in Saskatchew and make sure to shoot me a line because I'd love to take you for a beverage if you're in, if you and Big Redder are cruising through the border city.

If I ever get there, buddy, I will definitely call you. I just see you have a text me here now saying, hey, where are you? We're walking over to the courthouse. So if that infamous walk we do each morning where we get to come down the street, Tamara and I and heaven, peace. Awesome.

Thanks for having a lot of this. It was much appreciated. It's good to see you. You bet. Good to see you as well. Thanks. Thanks, Chris. Take care, man. Be safe, guys.