Shawn Ryan Show - #200 Tom Homan - The U.S. Border Czar

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Tom Homan is the U.S. Border Czar under President Donald Trump’s second administration, appointed in November 2024 to oversee border security and interior enforcement operations. A career law enforcement officer, Homan served as Acting Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) from 2017 to 2018, where he implemented stringent immigration policies. With over 4 decades of experience, including roles as a police officer and Border Patrol agent, Homan is a leading advocate for enforcing immigration laws, focusing on deporting individuals deemed public safety or national security threats. Homan’s initiatives include increasing ICE detentions and prosecuting those who impede federal immigration enforcement. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: ⁠https://www.roka.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.americanfinancing.net/srs⁠ NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Give online therapy a try at ⁠betterhelp.com/srs⁠ and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://www.bubsnaturals.com/shawn⁠ ⁠https://www.fastgrowingtrees.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://www.drinkhoist.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.hometitlelock.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS Go to https://hometitlelock.com/SRS and use promo code SRS to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty ⁠https://www.moinkbox.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.preparewithshawn.com⁠ ⁠htps://www.paladinpower.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.ziprecruiter.com/srs Tom Homan Links: Website - https://www.ice.gov X - https://x.com/Tom_Homan Book by Tom Homan - As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases (paid links): Defend the Border and Save Lives: Solving Our Most Important Humanitarian and Security Crisis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tom Holman, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for coming. We've been trying to get this done since, man, I feel like it's been like six months. We've been playing a phone tag and trying to get you in here. So I just, I really appreciate you taking the time. And I've been looking forward to this interview for a very long time.

And then I thought it, I just thought it would never happen as, as busy as you are. I'm busy, but I'm glad I'm here. I think this is, you got a huge bandwidth. And American people need to know what's happening in this country right now. Thank you. Thank you. So I'd like to do a life story on you, on the front half of the interview, and kind of talk about your journey into becoming the borders are

and some of the events that you faced, you know, leading up to that. And then on the back half of the interview, I'd like to do all current events stuff, everything that's going on at the border, what it was like before, what it's like now, and then some of the measures that you guys are implementing down there and maybe up there too, to keep us safe here at home and take care of the issues at hand, which seem to be major issues. So looking forward to it. Let's do it.

But everybody starts off with an introduction here. So Tom Holman, borders are under President Trump's second administration appointed to oversee the nation's border security and interior enforcement operations, a law enforcement veteran with over four decades of experience starting as a Border Patrol agent and rising to become one of the most influential officials in U.S. immigration policy, former acting director of U.S. immigration and customs enforcement ICE serving from January 2017 to June 2018, where you shaped some of the most talked about immigration policies of the Trump era. your man of the year from congratulations on that from the national police defense

foundation and border hero award from america's voice i think those both came out last week yeah last week congratulations congratulations and um yeah you know i waited to tell everybody that you're coming on just because of you know who you are and all the security and stuff and it was funny when I finally broke the news last week, for whatever reason, everybody that works for me, started giving me their birth certificates and passports. So I don't know what's going on,

but they're pretty tuned in. But yeah, so a couple other things real quick. Everybody gets a gift. I got you two gifts. The famous gummies. Vigilance League gummy bears made here in the USA, legal in all 50 states. it's just candy until RFK outlaws it.

So, but, and then another thing. Thank you. You're welcome. Found out you're a Catholic this morning. And so I want to give you one of those. One of my really good friends, Dom Razo, sells these rosaries. And my journey to faith is relatively new. I grew up Catholic.

and I'm still... Thank you very much. Yeah, you know, and I just, I think the Catholic religion just, there's one thing they get right for sure, it's protection. And with what you're facing right now, I'm sure you could use a little extra protection. So I carry one of those every single day. Carry one of these, carry one of these.

What is that? St. Michael's. Love that. Love that. But, well, Tom. And the Virgin Mary at about it. the backside. Nice. Carry both. I'm covered both sides. Nice. Nice.

Where'd you grow up? Small town called West Carthage, New York. Population, about 2,500. What were you into growing up? Pardon me? What were you into growing up? Strong Catholic family. I mean, mom, dad, seven kids.

Grew up in farm country. There's two things you do in that little town. to either work on a farm or you work at Fort Drum, an army, army based up by there, or you're a logger, cutting down trees. So it's a small community, very patriotic community. I talk about that a lot. I mean, walking through this village I grew up in, just about everybody had American flag on the front porch. It's like, I talk about my books, it's like being in Mayberry, everybody, right? My mom and dad, very strong Catholics, and, and, uh, I think every mother in that village spanked me at one time or another.

That's back in the day. The village made who you were. It takes a village to grow a kid, and I give a lot of credit to the village I grew up in. And I'm serious. I think every mother in that village gave me a spanking one time or another, but that was okay back then. They just called your mom and say I had to give time a spanking. But a very strict family.

My dad was a judge, so, you know, strict upbringing. But it was a very patriotic little town. We're only about six miles outside of Fort Drum. So I grew up in an era where police were highly respected. And people loved their country. I mean, literally American flags everywhere. It's a great childhood. And it spooks me sometimes.

It actually has such a great childhood. I'm afraid that I could not give my children the same childhood. in the same childhood I had. Yeah. Where you go, you wake up Saturday morning, ride your bike around the village, gather enough buddies to have a baseball game, and you play baseball all day.

But the mill whistle goes off at noon. You knew you had to go home at lunch. Go back, play ball. Then at 5 o'clock, the mill whistle goes off again. It means you got to go home and have dinner. But it was a great childhood. Yeah, you don't hear too much of that anymore these days. You know, that's very similar to where I grew up.

But do you have any brothers and sisters? Yeah, there's five. There's seven of us. Seven of you guys. I got one brother and five sisters. Damn, very strong. The thing is my, well, I'm proud about my family. It's just about everybody wanting to put, you know, some sort of public service, right?

Our brother, career fireman, just retired a couple years ago. All of my sisters, but one were a nurse. So, you know, they all felt a duty go back and serve their communities in one way or the other. My dad, you know, he ended as a judge, but he was a cop before then. My grandfather was a cop. So I always knew. I always knew I was going to be some sort of cop. It's what I wanted forever.

So I've lived my dream. I mean, I was fishing my brother last year. And he looked at me, made a comment. He says, you ever think about the ride you had? This before Trump won the election, I was coming back, said, what do you mean? He goes, you went from West Carthage to the West Wing. That's a hell of a ride.

And it was. It shows what a great country this is. Yeah, yeah. How early did you know you wanted to get into law enforcement? It's kindergarten first grade. Kindergarten? I always knew. In this small town, grew up in, we had a police department.

And next to the West Carthes is called Carthys Bigger Town Police Department. Then my dad, I remember my dad coming home with the uniform, and I knew he's out there protecting people. Then when he came to judge, when I was still a child, middle of the night, state troopers knocking at the door, bringing somebody in to get arraigned in the middle of the night. I was surrounded my cops all the time. So I knew I was going to be a police officer. And I did become police officer straight out of college before I joined the board patrol, but I knew, I had no doubt in my mind.

There's one thing I wanted to do. That's be a law enforcement officer. Why did you, where'd you become a police officer? West Carthage. West Carthage. You stayed at home. I served, just like my dad and grandfather, we served the local community.

Again, the local community, you know, I grew up. They raised me, right? As a matter of fact, when I became the ICE director and President of Trump, I remember I was in the office first day. My public affairs officer, Barbara Gonzalez walks in. First day on the job said, okay, you got ABC, NBC, you got Fox News, you got Washington, Washington Post, got New York Times.

She's trying to schedule all these first day interviews. I looked at her, says, Watertown Daily Times and WWNYTV. She looked at him and says, what are these? It's in my hometown newspaper, hometown television. station. She looked at me, she was Mr. Trump with all due respect. You got nationally syndicated. I said, I don't care. My hometown

gets first. They raised me. I owe them. They get the first interview. So the next day, we got in the plane, through the Watertown, which is the biggest town where I grew up. I did Watertown Daily Times. I did WWMI TV. Oh, man. That is cool.

That is awesome. I bet they appreciated that. They did. But I really love my hometown where I grew up. As a matter of fact, I recently bought a lakehouse up there. I'm going to retire there someday. I was born there. I was raised there.

Went to college there. What's a police officer there? I'm going to die there someday. Man, that is really cool. That is really cool. What got you to switch from local law enforcement in Carthage to Border Patrol? I was with a couple police officers fishing up on the St. Lunch River, River that advised Canada, United States. Great fishing.

Alexander Bay fishing. Now, I saw Border Patrol around. Didn't quite know what they did. But while we're fishing, we come in the boat, we're at the dock, having a few beers. The Border Patrol boat came pulling out. We just start talking. You know, pretty soon he knew we're all cops, and, you know, of course, he's wearing a uniform. He's bored trolleation.

We started talking about our job, his job. And his job sounded really interesting. He looked at me, he says, we're giving the test in four weeks. Watertown Postoff. You all go on there and take it. So I did. Six months later, I get a phone call, go for an interview. So my dream was there's a board patrol station there on Wellesley Island right, right?

in the St. Rush River and the shipping channel. Beautiful place. Well, if I get to the Border Patrol, I can come back up here and work at the Wellesley Island and be a Border Patrol. Right where I grew up. So I got in the Border Trail.

But after a few years on the Southwest Border, there's so much action. You know, you eat it up. And I knew the northern border was pretty much vacation paradise. I just didn't, I never applied to go back up north because it was just, there was a lot of action on the southern border,

saw a lot of terrible things, but also was very rewarding. Saved a lot of lives. So I decided to stay on the southern border until it became a special agent. What is, what year is this? 1984. 1984. This is when I joined the Border Patrol. Wow.

Lots of action going on there all the way about then. Oh, yeah. I mean, the same day was sector. 1500 a night just coming through San Diego sector they used to gather up on the soccer fields just east of Tijuana

hundreds and hundreds of gathered then when some went down they just ran north I mean it's actually like a movie you just grabbed what you could I was in camp or a smaller station but as a GS5

board patrol agent I tried to get all the overtime I could get so I go down and work the overtime on the weekends or whatever days I had off to work the soccer field or worked at checkpoints, but illegal grace was, there's very few Border Patrol agents,

so you're overwhelmed every night down there. Damn. How long did you do that? Four years. Four years. Then became a special agent, criminal investigator. What is the difference between a Border Patrol agent and a special agent? It's like a police department to get a uniform division on patrol.

You got the specializes and more the investigators, so you investigate, you know, conspiracies. You investigate aliens, smutmen, and drug smuggling and, you know, in trafficking, illicit trafficking with people and goods. So I left the Uniform Division. The Uniform Division became a criminal investigator, a special agent. So I went from Campo, California.

It was a small station. When I got the Campbell as a Borgatel agent, I think I was like number 34. Now it's got 300 people there. So I went from there, and I became a special agent in Phoenix, Arizona in 1988. What kind of stuff were you investigating? Mostly immigration related.

I spent most of the time family smuggling in it. So we're investigating, you know, criminal cartels who smuggled people and smuggled drugs. So I spent most of my career doing that. But, you know, you do immigration fraud. People selling fraudulent green cards

and birth certificates and work site enforcement and correction. Work site enforcement came around 1986, 86, 87, did a lot of work site enforcement. You went to, you know, companies, large factories, and arrested illegal aliens. But I spent most of my time in Phoenix in the anti-smuggling unit, so we're mostly working.

You know, the smuggling group is coming from Mexico up to the United States. Mexico and South America. Damn. What are, you stayed there for quite a while, correct? Stayed in Phoenix for 10 years. I climbed the ladder, and I was an agent, became a supervisory special agent, then Deputy ADDI. assistant district director for investigations.

And from there, I went to San Antonio and became the head of that office, the ADDI, which equals a SAC, specialization charge. They had different names back then. But yeah, I was actually the first ICE director who actually came up through the ranks. I started at the bottom run and got to the top. I didn't miss one run. So out of all my achievements, that's my most proudest achievement. I became an ice director through the ranks

from the bottom to the top. And what I like about that is the 20,000 men and women that worked for me. I never asked them to do anything that I didn't do myself because I was one of them. So I'm very proud of that. Well, I know.

I mean, just, you know, I got friends everywhere and I can just, you know, because of my background, and your people have a tremendous amount of respect for you. And that's just really good to see. You don't see that amount of respect very often, especially within government. And so I just want to applaud you for that.

I mean... Well, look, I was one of them. And I think when my life's lessons, my dad taught me is never forget where he came from. So when I was an ICE director, I don't care if you're GS5, you're an SCS. I went on a cafeteria and eat with whoever. Gray didn't mean anything. And I never forgot where I came from. And actually, when I retired the first time,

my message to the troops where I left was, I may be retiring from this position, but I'm always going to have your six. Because of men and women in Border Patrol, men and women of ice, what great American patriots they are. And I'm back again. And again, don't forget where I come from. I don't anybody carry my bag.

I show up airport. Everybody wants to be written off. The director is in, or the border czar is in. Make sure we take care of them. I carry my own bag. I'm happy staying in Hampton Inn. I fly coach. I'm just a small town kid from Carthews, New York.

So never forget where you came from. There's probably the biggest life lesson I've ever learned from my dad. My dad, who was a war hero himself. respected that man more than anybody in the world. Your dad was a war hero. World War II. 11th, war. Wow.

Wow. True story. So, he, you know, a couple of bronze tires, purple hearts, too, and never knew it. Never knew it until he got really sick. He had to go to his sister living. Rounded all these medals. He never wanted to talk about him. So I built it, got him put in the shadow box.

And when he was doing it to will, you know, all these kids, I said, what are you on, what are you are? I just find one thing I want the shadow box. Because you never talked about it. And that's what I want. And I got it, it's hanging in my office right now. And one day I was hanging in my office and I was life director, and John Kelly, who was the secretary of Homeland Security, came in that day.

my security came in that day right away keyed on that shadow box goes they're not yours no so he walked up to him he goes i said they're my dad my dad never displayed him my dad never talked about it but i know they're pretty impressive uh to get you know bronze star in war war two he says yes it was he goes you know what these all mean i said no i never so there's a picture his photographer was with and they took a picture of john kelly's walking to each of these medals a rifle with a leaf around he goes no that means he said dad was in gunfire me but didn't hear it from a distance he was involved and she walked through all these things and uh he says do you know how he earned he said no you still don't know no i don't wow i read i read a few things and look

when he came home from the war there was a parade for him so they talk about how he's wounded in new guinea uh the second time he got wounded it was bad enough they sent him home but uh John Kelly offered me, he said, look, I'll find out for you. For your permission, I can grab his records. But then he came back, said they're destroyed in a fire in Kansas, Kansas City or something. All his records were destroyed. So he couldn't get his hands on him. So my dad never talked about it.

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Why are you always angry? Why are you always mad? Not so much now, but the last four years, right? Because I wake up every day pissed off under the Biden administration. Because we handed that administration the most secure border in my lifetime. I've been doing this in 1984. And they unsecured on purpose. And I knew when they unsecured it, more people would die.

More women, children, be sexually assaulted by the cartels. Not only would more illegal aliens die, but more Americans are going to die from drugs coming across the open border. I just woke up for a day. I can't believe they unsecured a border on purpose for four years. I'm pissed off. And there was lots of videos of me yelling at members of Congress. You know, I've worked for Fox News for the last few years.

I lose my temper on Fox through sometimes because of what I've seen through my career. The thing that probably, when I first joined a board patrol, I wasn't a board patrol a month. And I'm on patrol near Takati on a back row, on a forward drive sign cutting.

And I see this guy walking down this dirt road. It was an illegal alien drunk. He just happened to get, he lived in Takati and somehow got across the line just hanging out. And he's carrying something. How's he carrying it? Was baseball bat?

What is it? So he was carrying a human lake. He was carrying a human leg that he found. It was just a bone that he found on his journey, wherever. So, of course, no. I'm bored of the relations, so I'll take him to Cussie, but I remember he was very intoxicated. And I called the local sheriff,

and they ran the investigation. But I was in a month. And I'm coming from upstate New York, and all of a sudden they get put on the southern, border and just see some of the things you saw. It was like it was eye opening. It wasn't rare to find a dead body of an illegal alien that was making a journey and died making that journey because the smuggers don't care.

If you get sick, they're not calling 911 because that alien means nothing to him now. He's not going to get paid to get him to the final destination. They just leave them or die. I can't tell you how many aliens we find near death's door making that journey. We actually were able to get them helping to save them. But the thing that really, really affected me was two things. Number one, talking to a little girl about nine years old, that was part of a smoking group,

who was raped multiple times by members of the criminal cartel. Nine years old? Yeah. And let me tell you, son, as tough as a guy you want to be, when you sit down, you get on your knees, she talks to this little girl and everything innocent, pure, has been ripped from her. Well, you can tell that she has no faith in humanity.

I mean, this little girl's world was destroyed. She's never gonna be the same. I don't care how much counseling she gets, right? And I'm a father. And you think, you know, how could someone do that to such an innocent little girl? And it really changes who you are. I mean, it's just like, you know,

I can't believe there's a human being out there that would do that to a little girl. The members of the cartels are animals. They don't care about these people. These people are a commodity. And there's been several instances where, you know, women and children that I've been involved with through an investigation,

where sex just ultimately the cartels is, you know, demanded as part of crossing them or either across the desert or over the river, or just take it. It's just raping for the hell of it. I mean, I've seen raped trees, you know, where these smuggers would just hang panties up in a tree as a trophy. And the nine-year-old girl shook me,

because then you realize just how inhumane these people are. The thing that probably shaped me the most of it back in, I think it's 2003. I was in Dallas, Texas, giving a speech to the International Association of Chiefs of Police. We just became ICE, less than a year earlier. They took customs and immigration made ICE. So I was there to explain this new agency

and how we can work together and collaborate. I remember getting an emergency phone call from Washington, D.C., John Morton, who was the director at the time, but it was actually his deputy, was adultery called me and says hey you're in Dallas you need to get down to Victoria Texas right away there's a tragedy down there and we want to go down there and take over the investigation because they knew at the time was assigned headquarters they knew I spent most of my career as I said in amy smuggling in trafficking cases

so I so they flew me down there in an air marine plane and I landed down at the crime scene when I got there the sheriff and I think it was a Texas Ranger walking through the crime scene. Okay, it's like, okay, it's yours. So I remember walking up to the, there's a tractor trailer. I was 19 people baked to death, in back to that tractor trailer. 19 people?

Baked to death, died. Baked? Baked. He just, they're in a steel box, tractor trailer. Steel box, black, no air, in the middle of summer. And so I get up with the crime scene, And I walk with a crime scene right away. There's a, just the trailers there.

The truck's gone. He unhooked it and he left, the driver. So I walk up with the crime scene. And all I have is a suit. I'm wearing a suit because I was giving a speech. I left. I didn't get back to hotel and get my stuff. I went straight to the scene.

So I get there and I walk up to this tractor trailer. Right away, I see several bodies on the ground. Because when those doors finally opened up, that people were such a rush to get air that they knocked some dead bodies out of the truck onto the ground. So I noticed some dead bodies on the ground there. Then I got to the back of the tractor trailer, and I looked at the back of the tractor trailer.

I just see dead people. Most of them in their underwear, because they were trying to get some relief from the searing heat. And right away, so I looked at a key-down little boy, and he was partially covered up by who later found out was his father. who was protecting him. And I keyed in on him. And he was wearing the same color underwear

that my little boy had. Same underwear. And I had a five-year-old son at the time. So right away, I keyed in on him. So I took over an investigation. Just the termed Houston flew in and the helicopter came to the crime scene. But when I was going on,

I was processing the crime scene, we had a guy taking pictures. And I was telling them, you know, take all these pictures, all they needed. But I told him that we would do the boy last. And mainly because I couldn't handle it. That's the time.

So we processed us a crime scene. And I testified to this. I got angry with a testimony where someone claimed I didn't care about dying children. He should have wore my shoes. I've seen a lot of dying children, dead children in my career. So,

So when we got to the child, I now down beside him, I put my hand on them, and I said a prayer. Because I knew, based on the years I've done alien smoke investigations, what a horrible, horrible death this child went through. It baked a death. And after we, crime scene in photos, we, of course, the investigation where I'm there on the ground, they had to fly closing. Again, I came up with clothes on my back. But through the investigation, we found out that little boy is the first one to die. And the witnesses there that survived said that little boy begged his father, not to let him die. Little boy knew he was dying.

Begged his father, please don't let me die. I want to see mom again. I want to see my mommy. And when you hear the testimony from the surviving witnesses, it just tore you up. how this child, no five-year-olds have to beg for his life. No five-year-olds have you baking to death in a black box.

They got up to 175 degrees, like they said. And he was the first one to die, and his father died on top of them. Because some of the witnesses were saying that some of the members of the group back there talked about tearing the boy apart and put him out through the, there's brake lights. They busted out and tried to get some air.

And there's some talk about maybe we put parts of the boy out there, we draw attention to our problem. That never got fully vetted because some witnesses said didn't happen. But his father did die on top of his child and it just, you know, hovering him. You think about, I just don't think about it. They were going to rip this boy apart? That was a testimony from a couple of them people. And a couple people said that wasn't true, but there's a reet.

The father was over the top of him, like this. We asked why. Anyway, Java's first one to die. Then so many people are starting to die, and there's so many people in back the tractor trailer, they were dying, standing up and trying to find a place to fall. And like I said, when we got the crime scene, most of them are underwear trying to get some relief from the heat.

So through that investigation in the first couple weeks, I'm listening to this testimony. And I just don't think about, okay, that child died. I'm thinking about how he died. What his last two hours was like? What was his last hour like? His father couldn't help him. The father got put him in that position.

Begging his father helped him. The father can't. They're in a steel box locked in a steel box. No air in there. The air compressor was turned off. And information was turned up because he wanted to draw attention to the truck. Because if the truck's empty, going through a checkpoint, air conditioning on, that means you got something back there.

So there's a lot of testimony from a lot of different ways. It's just saying a lot of different things. But the way that child died, and I didn't sleep for a week down there. I'm a pretty tough guy, but that affected me. Because I had a five-year-old son at the time, and you started thinking about why is my son lucky and that child wasn't? Why is my son born in the greatest nation on earth? And this child wasn't.

And so, And I've been honest about that. After we put all 14 those people in jail, anybody involved, they're in prison. We shut that investigation now pretty quick. Put a lot of people in prison. And after the investigation was done, I had to go get help.

I couldn't sleep. Just the image of this little boy, how he suffered. And I had a son the same age. That affected me more than anything. Because I realized that didn't have to happen. If we had a secure border, that little child wouldn't die. And that's why, for the last four years, that's one of the reasons I wake up.

Everybody, every pissed off, I knew when they opened this border up, more kids are going to die. More women and children will get sexually assaulted. More Americans are going to die from fattenile and other drugs come across that border. Sex trafficking is going to increase tenfold. So I woke up every day for four years. I'm biting pissed off. I actually did. I woke up just mad that Joe Biden's the first president in history of this nation

who came in office and unsecured a border on purpose. There wasn't mismanagement. I wasn't incompetence. You knew exactly what he was doing. I wrote an op-ed, Fox News.com, about six months for the election, I said, if Joe Biden becomes president, we lose the border. Just based on what you're saying? Put a moratorium on deportation.

Going to end ICE detention. I'm going to ward amnesty. I'm going to ward DACA. I'm going to give free health care to illegal aliens. You make that type of promise to the entire world? They're going to come

to the greatest nation on earth. So I knew what's going to happen. And I knew every morning I woke up and for four years, I go all and give speeches and I tell people, I'd be, you know, 7, 8 o'clock at night and I had a great dinner, banquet, and I give them the speech.

And I told everybody in the room, great night, isn't it? Let me tell you about the border. Tonight, while we're sitting here eating this meal, women are being raped as part of the feet across that border and the child's going to die tonight whether at the hands of the cartel

or drawn the river. I've been on the river and watched morbid relations give CPR to babies. Last year, I made a trip down to Brooks County for a ride-alone. This is before President Trump was backing off. Where's Brooks County? In Texas. Sheriff Benny Martinez. I sat in his office.

He has like six deputies. He told me every deputy is doing immigration work 24-7. They're not even deputies. They're out there looking for dead bodies. At the time, he had over 100 dead bodies found this county of aliens that died in making the attorney and just died. So his troopers, I mean, his deputies were out there every day finding dead bodies. I was with him for four hours.

We found two. Then talked to a doctor down there who told me this story. Now, I didn't see it, I've just told this story. Mother and father and a child, a 22-month-old little girl from an African nation was crossing the border, coming across the river. Smuggers, the animals they are, they bring them across in a boat. Borchow starts approaching them, so what the smuggers do? They throw their family in the water, can't swim, because they know Borchow is going to go rescue this family and they can get away. So, Border Trail running, arrest them.

They thought they rescued them, but the little girl later died at the hospital. And the doctor shared with me that the little girl to her post-mortem was assaulted in every little opening of her body as required by one of the six cartel members. All these things I see and hear about. No, that story came to me. I didn't see it, that story came to me. But it doesn't surprise me. Because the stuff, nine-year-old girl I talked about.

The tractor trailer, the driver of that tractor trailer knew these people couldn't breathe. They knew there weren't water back there. And what did he do? He just unhooked the trailer and left because they were dying. And through testimony,

he was calling the smuggler, complaining they were tearing his truck apart because they tore the lights out and tried to get air in there. These people are ruthless. So over four years, I wake up pissed off, because I knew this stuff was going far up again. At a record pace, and it did.

Look at the numbers, like 4,000 aliens have died making the journey on Joe Biden. A quarter million Americans died from Fettinalk from across the border under Biden. Sex trafficking of women that children skyrocketed. Number of people on the terrorist watch lists. Record, historic numbers came across that border. They rested 400 of them.

You got 2.2 main gotaways. How many of them came from country, sponsoring, Terry? How many them were sex trafficking women and children? How many them were Karen Fentano? So, over four years, I was just waking up every day, pissed off. Damn. Did you say 22 months? 22 months old.

And this is pretty common. One's too many. But it didn't surprise you a bit. It turned your stomach. I mean, this other doctor we've been down there, he has a big old ranch. He finds dead bodies all the time. He found a young female that was never left of her body. Her panties were down on her ankles.

Her ankles, her ankle was broken. What he says he seen before us, after his younger got raped, they break her ankle so she can't go seek out. She dies her. He had a picture of a 12-year-old little boy. they went over a fence at his property. This little boy obviously didn't make and he died right there at the fence line and he's kind of crawled up next to the fence.

I mean, I've seen a lot of death, but I've also talked to a lot of people who took pictures of dead bodies on the property. You know, I've done alien smoking investigations for a long time. I've heard so much testimony from people that victimize. I mean, Operation, you know,

Ice Storm, Phoenix, Arizona. After I finished that, Victoria operations with 14-night aliens, then they send me to Phoenix, Arizona, run an operation in Ice Storm, where you got smuggling groups ripping each other off. Because when you get a load of 25 people, they're worth a lot of money.

So you have alien-smung groups doing rips of each other. They find out where the low house is. They go armed. They take this group. There was a shootout on the highway down there because one group was stole another group's load of people. Bodies are piling up, Maricopa County.

aliens couldn't pay their smuggling fees they torture them they call relatives up and say you're oh it's 10,000 dollars well no we said it was 5,000 well now's 10 either pay it or we'll kill them and they would those relatives they call from the phone they torture the guy where a relative listened geez one brave lady came she actually contacted ice and said they're holding I think it was her brother demanding all this money I can't afford a penny they're going to say they're going to kill them And luckily we did what we do with phones. They would go to that place. And that guy was hogtied, hands and feet behind him with duct tape.

His whole head and face were duct tape, except a whole poke down a small so he can breathe. That's the way we found him. So these cartels are ruthless. So for four years, I woke up, I knew that this was going to happen every day now. And because this administration chose to open that border up. Why do you think they open the border up?

I could ask that all the time. You know, I think there's some people that thought just don't believe in borders. They think we should have open borders. But I actually think they saw future political benefit, obviously. Because when President Biden signed over 90 executive orders destroying everything that President Trump did in Trump 45, he also overturned the Trump census rule, which means the millions of people they release in the United States.

They'll be counting the next census. most of them, you know, sanctuary cities, which means what? When they proportionate seats and house, means more seats than else with the temps. And also, I think, their future Democratic voters. Because here's the long game they're playing. No one talks about this. Here's the long game they're playing. They're playing the long game.

They're smart at it. Overwhelmed the system. Let's bring 10.5 million encounters to the border. Release them without proper vetting. Because all they care about is the optics. If there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see. If there's no overcrowding, we could say the board is secure, which they did. Board virtual agents were ordered, processed quickly, release quickly.

Because if there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here. So, of course, they weren't vetted properly. Didn't have time to vet them properly. Why did they release millions of people into the United States rather than putting them in an empty ice bed? an ice bed owned by ice, contracted by ice, at $127 a night.

Why did they not fill that bed, but they'd rather release them to an NGO, get put in a hotel room at $500 a night, get three free meals a day, get free medical care, and not only that, they get flown to the city, their choice. They say what they want to go,

we flew them there, Biden administration. Put them a hotel room, 500 bucks a night, give them three meals a day, Free medical care. Why did they do that? Instead of putting them in the ICE facility at $127 a night, because they knew exactly what they're doing. They know if they go in ICE detention,

they get a hearing within 40 days. Based on real data from immigration court, nearly nine out of ten people will claim asylum will get ordered to remove because they don't qualify for asylum. They get removed. That's not what they wanted. Overwhelming the system, because once you're out of the system,

you've got the detained document, Immigration court prioritizes the detained docket. But once you release them, now they're on the non-detained docket, sit in the hotel room. Hearing's going to take three, five, seven years, depending on what location you are. If you want to exhaust all your appeals, maybe nine years. They overwarned the system because they know it's going to take years to get these people through the process. And what happens then? We're hoping for a Democratic administration.

Now you can warn amnesty. They're playing the long game. They overwhelmed the system on purpose. They did not detain them on purpose. I mean, not only that, I mean, I don't know how true this is. I don't really believe anything in the media these days. But, I mean, I read something maybe a year ago or so about the BCP 1. I think it's called the BCP 1 app where they could go on, claim asylum,

and then the USG will send a plane down to get them and fly them into the country. Is that true? Was that happening? What the Biden administration did, towards the end, they knew that immigration was a big issue on the election, right? So they tried to claim that border numbers are way down. Where did we fix this problem? It's down 70%.

No, it wasn't. They created two programs on a thin air, call them legal pathways. They weren't legal pathways. The border numbers didn't really go down. They went down maybe 17%. If you count all the programs they created, so what they did was, okay, we got millions of people

come across the border illegally. So let's create the CBP1 app. That same illegal alien population can simply go to an app, make an appointment, come to a port of entry. They're going to call that illegal entry now. Same population of the illegal. They're just bringing them through the port of entry. Oh, this is a legal pathway. Thousands of people come to the port of entry.

Then they created the CHNB, Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela. If you're from those four countries, we're going to fly straight into our airports. You don't have to go to the border. We'll fly straight into our major airports in the United States. 30,000 a month of those. 30,000 a month? Is this the shit that I saw at the year? I would be at the airport, you know, traveling, going wherever,

and I would see these people get rushed up to the front of the line. And there are always some type of, that's what that was? Most likely. So they created a CHNV. They create a CBP-1 app, bringing thousands of people of what they call legal pathways. So if you add what they did through the CHNV in the CBP-1 app, Plus what the board toll is still catching, the border numbers didn't go around that much. They lied to the American people.

They kept saying the border is secure, looking the numbers down. You just created two buckets that you call legal pathways, the border numbers aren't down. So they lied to American people. They lied about the secure border. They lied that it's going to take congressional action to fix the border. It only took a new president. And so, again, it would wake up every day of four years pissed off. I think the first morning

I woke up not pissed off was the morning after election because I was I was in Florida dawned at the event and Mar-a-Lago when the election came in

and that next morning I woke up and I said all right things are about to change lives are about to be saved so that's probably the first day I woke up knowing that things are going to change but for four years

it just I knew, because all my time I spent on that border, I knew what was happening every night. I knew when I laid my head in that pillow every night, a child is going to die. Women are being raped. Cartels are moving record amounts of drugs in this country. Sex trafficking is going to skyrocket, and it did.

Every night, I later knew what was happening. Maybe it's, you know, all the years I spent down there, I take that personal. Because of the tragedies I've seen, I don't want to see it ever stop ever happen again. Damn. How did you get approached to take Borders Army? Let me go, the first time, I worked President Trump.

True story. I was the 3rd in Command, ICE, executive associate director for ERO, enforcing mobile operations. And the time I spent there, we removed, I don't know, over a million illegal aliens when I was there in that position for three years. But after eight years of Barack Obama, it was Hillary Clinton versus President Trump.

I was convinced Hillary's going to win. Convinced. I think most America was, because she was so far back in the polls. So before an election, I announced my retirement, so I've had it. After eight years, Obama, I'm not spending four-year Clinton, I'm not going to do it. So I got to sign a contract with this company that paid me three times as much as I made for ice guy. So I signed a contract, announced my retirement.

I gave him 120 days. I would leave in January, right after, you know, in moderation. Well, my retirement party, anyway, back up. So the election happened. So next morning I wake up, my wife's saying, Trump one. Now what are you going to do? Well, I announced my retirement, already signed his contract.

So I got to go. I already got this thing lined up. So at my retirement party, a lot of people show up. Saddest day in my life, January 2017, because after over three decades doing the job, that was my last day. And when you carry a badge and gun, you do this job for so long,

it becomes a big part of who you are. And I knew that day I was going to leave that building, and I'm a time home of civilian for the first time in 34 years. So at the end of the retirement ceremony, I was shaking hands with my wife, and I get it. He got emergency phone call. John Kelly, who was the secretary of Homeland Security.

So I took the phone call with John Kelly, and he says, Tom, I know this is bad timing by the president. The president, like you're staying around the agency, which is going to be a two-step promotion. I said, sir, it's bad timing. He just retired. He goes, no, you didn't. Paperworks on my desk.

Has it been signed. So I said, well, sir, all the respect, my family's been through an awful lot, multiple moves, death threats, protests on my home. I says, I got to talk to my family about this. Plus, I signed a contract of this company. I don't know my legal obligations are on that. This is a Friday. I said, can I have till Monday to think about this? He goes, certainly.

I remember what he said before I hung up, because let me leave you with this thought, Tom. I remember this word forward. He goes, Tom, the president of the United States is asking you, a career law enforcement officer to serve your country a little bit longer. He needs you help, Tom. I'll call you Monday, 0600. So on the way home, my wife asked me what was the phone call about. I told her.

She goes, hell no. Not doing it. We've been through too much. I said, but it's the President of the United States. So I don't care. Been through too much. So after a weekend of fighting, Sunday night, we were laying in bed, and she asked, what are you going to do? I said, what do you think I'm going to do?

She said, you're going to do that, aren't you? So, of course. President of the United States, said, ask me to help. I want to stay. And she, you know, God love her. She said, okay, I'll support you on it. So the next day, he called me up and said, what say you? I said, let's do it.

So the next day, I show up the ICE office, through the amazement with hundreds of people who gave me great gifts Friday, thought I was leaving. And the first people I ran into And in my office were ethics attorneys Who had a list of all the gifts I got Said you got to return all these gifts Because these are all the employees now again I'm ready to sit there's a $500 gift certificate Your wife got I need that back

I said look guys She's already pissed I said let me write you a check with $500 I'm not going to ask for the $500 back So he took all the gifts back Which is cool And the next day I'm on Air Force One of the President That's the first time I've ever met the man

Wow I asked him And what's my Marchionary says, do your job? That you haven't been able to do for the last four years? Now you want you to do it. Go and force a lot of. So fast forward a second time, I'm actually out to dinner and my wife.

And my cell phone was sitting on the table and we're eating. And all of a sudden phone goes off. And she called it right away, POTUS. Came up, call ID. She goes, oh, my God. It was, what's he want? So I excused myself when outside and wasn't Trump. He made it, you know, he asked me come back.

But done. Back fast. Done. I woke up four years, pissed off. He may say, you've been bitching about it for four years. Want to come back and fix it? She's damn ready to do. So I took it, came back and sat down on her.

I said, did you? Yeah. She goes good. Because you've been pissed off every day. if you don't go back, you can be pissed off the next four years, then you go back and fix it. So, and God bless you. There's a hell of a pay cut, but I wake up every day like a kid in the candy story

because I think President Trump's a greatest president of my lifetime. As a border guy, an immigration guy, his Trump 45 unprecedented success, the most secure border we've ever had in my lifetime. Now, the number's even better. As we're talking right now, we've got the most secure border in history of the state, nation. President Trump did in seven weeks what Joe Biden couldn't and wouldn't do in four years.

Wow. And I got a great team. I work with every day. I know you mentioned earlier, I got the man of year award and border here award, but you need to know at both of those acceptance. I accept it in the honor of President Trump. He should be the man of the year. Because without him, we couldn't be doing what we're doing right now on the border. And I also took it in honor with men and the board patrol in ice whose traffic gunned or hip every day defend that border and out the rest and the worst the worst I'm this guy at the white house coming up for strategies and policies and putting out way I think things should be done it's the men and women carrying a badge and gun to deserve that award so I took it in their honor and president Trump I mean again the game

changer I work with a team you know Steve Miller the architect and Steve Miller probably the most brilliant man ever met Black, I'm a loved the guy smarter now. I work with the team. Look at President Trump brought in. Because there's all of government on the border. All of government. We got DOJ, right?

You got P. Hex-F. You got Pan Bondi. You got Cash Patel. You got Secretary of Noam. You bring that weight onto this issue, and that's why the success is the way it is. Because you got one hell of a team. That's the dream team. Man, you guys locked it down quick from my understanding.

And interior arrest, you know, we've arrested about three times more criminals in a few months and Joe Biden did in the year, but people always ask me if I'm happy with the numbers, I'm not happy. I'm happy that we got a hell a lot more than Biden did, but we need to get much more, a lot more. A lot more. Because we know it's like 700,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions or criminal charges walking the streets this country. We've got to get them.

So we got a lot more work to do. Doing good. was not good enough yet. We'll get into all that. I want to get, I want to talk about some of the stuff that has been coming through the border and how that happens in the motivation behind it and all the stuff that the cartels are in. And then, which is more of your, I think it's more of your previous life when you were, when you were a special agent. I mean, so when you talk about these little girls getting raped coming across and little boys dying and they're dead. locked in these conax boxes with no air and 100 degree plus weather.

I mean, where does this all initiate from? And what countries are using cartels to funnel them in? Boy of Joe people under Joe Biden, arrested people from 180 different countries. That's almost every country in the world. The whole world came to this country because they knew you could cross the border, get released within 24 hours, get a free plane ride to the city of your choice, get a free hotel room.

Three meals a day, free medical care. Actually, I think it was 181 different countries. Are the cartels facilitating all of this? Oh, absolutely. Criminal cartels are like the, you know, Elieco cartels, the new generation. Some of these cartels are in 45 countries around the world.

They're in 45 countries? Some of these, some of these, criminal cartels, absolutely. So, you know, like the Chinese, record number Chinese came across. There's no way tens of thousands of Chinese nationals left China and got to the United States

without the coordination of a Chinese government. It doesn't happen. Chinese organized crime. Same with Venezuela. But once you get to, you know, Mexico, the criminal cartels, they have operations, they had,

operation control of the southern border. No one's crossing the southern border of the United States without paying the criminal cartels or plaza fees at a minimum. Because you go through their area of operation, you either pay their fees or they'll kill you.

So they had operational control of the southern border. As a matter of fact, under Biden, I thought there numerous Border Patrol chiefs who would tell you that we no longer have operational control with the southern border, the criminal cartels do. They decided what's coming across, when it's coming across, where it's coming across.

I thought the one but cheap patrol agent who used to turn me, broken arrow. So do, that's pretty, that's over the top. He goes, no, listen, I'm maybe catching 10% what's coming across that border. He was, I am overwhelmed. Groups are coming across every day that I can't go. The 2.2 million gotaways under Joe Biden. 2.2 million known gotaways.

These are people captured on video, drone traffic, central traffic, or through foot traffic, that Border counted that they couldn't respond to because they're too busy changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospital runs, making airport runs, dealing with that humanitarian crisis. 2.2 that we know about.

Now, there's areas of the border like Big Bend sector, very mountainous region. 500 people go through that area a day, you wouldn't even know about it because we didn't have the technology there. But 2.2 million people crossed the southern border, weren't apprehended because the board control is so busy dealing with this humanitarian crisis.

Who are they? And I mentioned earlier they arrested 400 people on the no-fly list. Terrorist Washington crossed us came across the border. You and I both know terrorists are training to evade law enforcement. So who were these 2.2? Why did 2.2 million people pay more to get away? Because we already talked about you paid two amounts of money to the cartel. You pay one amount of money to get to the border.

You see a green uniform, turn yourself in, claim asylum, cartel's job ends at the border. But if you want to get away, if you want to get to New York, without being processed or bedded or fingerprinted, you pay a lot more. So why did 2.2 million people pay more not to get a free airline ticket, not to get a free hotel room, not to get free meals, not to get free medical care,

and not to get work authorization? Why did 2.2 million people pay more, to take advantage that giveaway program because they don't want to be vetted. They want to be fingerprinted. That scares the hell out of me. It scared the hell out of everybody.

2.2 million. Yes. How does it work? How does it work if China's trying to get people smuggled under the country? I mean, or al-Qaeda or Taliban or al-Shabaab.

There's a lot. There's a there's a there's so many smogging routes we can't cover them all right so you know I guess what I'm asking us how do they get in touch with the cartels They got they got they got their their their tentacles reaching to many major nations It's like if you know Chinese they deal in Chinese organized crime where it's connection to criminal cartels in Mexico or Central America There's so many routes that you know they somewhere else comes through Canada Not many, but there are a few that come through Canada. Most come through the southern border. Because you've got over 2,000 border there, you just can't control it all. Some come up through the daring gap.

Some fly into Mexican, Mexico City of the airport. A lot of Chinese fly straight into Mexico. It depends where you're coming from, what cartel are you dealing with. There's so many different routes. Columbia. I mean, there's South America. Some make a maritime trip. to South America come up through the Daring Gap.

Some fly straight into Mexico. It's just there's just so many routes, and that's one of the toughest jobs, I was securing the border. It's better almost play the away game. The tactic cartels down south rather than to get to the border, and we've done that very well. I mean, Daring Gap, thousands of people crossed the Daring Gap.

Yeah. The Biden administration said they're going to shut it down. They never did. Is it shutting down now? It's not shut down, but the traffic's going south. Traffic and a Daring Gap is self-bound now. So human smuggling is a major financial component to the cartels. Oh, yeah.

That's why I saw the cartels of Mexico the last few years. There's a battle going on in Mexico. Cartels are fighting with another because they made record amounts of money, not only drug smuggling, but trafficking or women and children, you know, for forced labor or sex trafficking, smuggling of aliens. They're making more money than ever made. So cartels started fighting each other for control of the plaza. Who owns this plaza trying to, because there's so much money being made.

And that's one of the things, you know, I said from the beginning that President Trump will end up wiping the cartels off the face of the earth. And that's why I think he designated in terrorist organizations, because they've killed more Americans in every terrorist organization in the world combined. Through the drugs and, you know, what the cartels have done. So now that we designate them terrorist organizations, And now that we shut down the pipeline at a 96% rate, we're hitting them where it hurts in the pocketbook.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think you'll see the violence escalating something. The border is not going to go away. They're going to try to get their product through. And now we've got DOD on the border, along with Border Patrol agents. I feel it's a matter of time before there's an armed encounter of some kind. How are they, how does the sex trafficking work? That's just a big topic that is what I go to sleep thinking about all the time.

And I've covered it several times. Some sex trafficking is a lot of it. You pay your smuggling fee. You owe the smuggling group. Let's say you owe them $10,000. You don't have the money? Okay, well, you work for it. You get northbound.

There's various ways to do it. This is one of the ways. If you get northbound, okay, here's what you're going to do, it pays back. Or you're not going to do it? Okay, well, we know where your family is. We'll kill your family. We'll kill you. So a lot more force in the sex slavery.

Of course, children are just sold into it. They don't have a choice. Here in the States. Absolutely. Absolutely. What does that look like? I see already found children working on ranches and in factories. In forced labor.

I mean, we're attacking trafficking really high. hard. The sad thing is that we're one of the biggest customers of it in the United States. Yeah. Either sex trafficking or forced labor trafficking. And some of the forced labor trafficking, they're never going to pay the fee off. When I was ahead of the office in Dallas, some of the Asian massage parlors that we investigated had, you know, their passports were being kept from these women. They couldn't leave. They were locked in facility, forcing the prostitution and pay off smuggling fees, which they'll never pay off.

So a lot of the trafficking, forced labor and sex trafficking, the alien doesn't even know what they're getting into. And to get here, they're forced into the cartels. And like I say, these cartels are ruthless. They know where your family is. They'll threaten your family. One of the most despicable things about losing control of the borders is the trafficking issue.

Under Joe Biden, it's estimated half a million children were trafficking in this country, smuggling in this country. They released his so-called sponsors. Sometimes it's family, many times it's not. Again, go back. Secretary of HHS, Pesera,

I saw him give a speech on stage how quick they're releasing these people. We're releasing these people quickly. Of course you are. because all you care is about the optics of no recralling, not a problem here. But they released them so quickly proper vetting wasn't done.

So you heard the media reports of like 300,000 children that the Biden administration couldn't account for them. They called them for check-ins, weren't there. When they tried to contact them, couldn't contact them. So Trump administration,

we are actively looking to try to find these kids. We already found some, but already found some in forced labor. And, but it's difficult. I have all things, when President Trump, pardon me, says, I want to secure the border, run a deportation operation,

and find these kids. Border is pretty secure right now. Most secure we ever had. Numbers are doing pretty good on deportation, but again, I got to do more, a lot more. The kids are the toughest part, because you get trying to find children, and it's difficult to find children,

because you and I, we have a footprint. We have a digital footprint. You own a home, you're on a car, You got pay bills, you got a credit card. We can find you. We can find me. Kids don't have that digital footprint. So we got to count on a digital footprint

whatever sponsor they released them to. And through the whistleblowers, HHS, man, these sponsors weren't fingerprinted. Identification wasn't verified. They didn't do DNA testing. So now we've got to try to find kids who release the sponsors that don't want to be found. Some of these sponsors have already sold the kid off somebody else.

So this is the most, three things, three rails that I'm involved in, this is the most difficult one. How does it work? How are they selling kids? What's that marketplace? Where is it? Is it online? You've got to be part of the inner circle, but a lot of the lot of us through the dark web, allows through the Internet. I mean, they're even, you know, not only for trafficking, you get a job driving a load of aliens from the border on the Internet.

They're using all sorts of, they're using apps to do that. Whether it's Instagram or many of these during the Biden administration, they're hiring college kids and high school kids to drive loads through an app, social media. Social media is a big tool used in all of this. Are Americans the end consumer of this? Many times. We've done investigations where, you know, illegal alien population, sometimes are the customers, but a lot of it's Americans.

And it's sad that this country is a customer for that type of activity. Yeah. I remember when I was 20 years ago, I was teaching a human trafficking course at the FBI Academy over in Budapest, teaching Eastern European countries how to look at human trafficking. So I'm giving this course and one of the members in the audience, a border guard because there's like several languages

being spoken is what we had interpreters in there your A's saying and asked me a question and it's true story and he says how come you're here teaching us about human trafficking when the United States

is the biggest consumer of it if you weren't the biggest consumer you wouldn't need to be here training us Tom let's take a quick break come back I want to get into some terrorism stuff all right Tom we're back from the break

we just kind of covered human I wanted to, you know, a big topic that we cover here is terrorism and just from my former background. And we've had former CIA targeter Sarah Adams come on here to talk a lot about who's here. She says there's at least a thousand different terrorists that have infiltrated the border. I was just wondering what kind of insight do you have on that? Well, we really don't know. I mean, the television community has one number. Again, I go back to over two million Godaways on the Joe Biden.

Two million people crossed the border and weren't vetted, weren't fingerprinted. And like I said earlier, criminal cartels in Mexico control the border. You don't cross the border off paying them off or working through them. So why did two million people pay more to get away? That scares a hell on me. If we look at the numbers, you know, under Trump 45, I think we arrested in four years, arrested a total of 13 people on terrorist watch lists? 13.

By administration, they'll get more than 13 a day some days. So, you know, on top of the old, you know, terrorist organizations. But now, you know, as you know, President Trump just declared, you know, MS-13 and TDA turned to Iowa, Venezuela. terrorist organizations. And I pushed for the criminal cartels to be a dozen-aid terrorists. Again, it wasn't my decision,

but I've been talking about this for years. President Trump did it. I think it's the right thing to do. A lot of people say, well, how do you consider them terrorists? MS-13 and Trent Island Islander in the criminal cartels of Mexico? Because they've killed more Americans than any terrorist organization I know by the thousands.

Not only that, you know, these cartels of Mexico, They've killed thousands of journalists, prosecutors, judges. I mean, they run Mexico. Anybody thinks anything different? You just, you're wrong. The criminal cartels in Mexico control that country. They did have operation control of their board, and we took it away from them.

Do you have any, do you have insight into the motivations that are happening, not just with cartel terrorism, but more traditional terrorism, like stuff coming out of, of al-Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, all of these different, al-Shabaab, all these different, you know, I don't know what to call. We'll just say more traditional-type terrorists. They want to destroy this country. I mean, I'm not a terrorist and my expert, but I read enough intelligence reports. We know they're here.

I said for a long time, it doesn't matter when. I think it's if. That's my opinion. I think a lot of people agree with me. Two million godaways. If we arrested 400 trying to get in, no one's going to convince me

that I think of one of those two million godaways didn't come here to do its harm. We were already, I mean, we were already shut down what's the aid from Tajikistan, not too long ago, that we're planning an inside attack. Luckily, the intelligence community

got some chatter on that. We're able to shut it down. We got a lot of unanswered questions, from the Biden administration, how about the two that entered through Chronicle Marine Vax? That has never been fully, you know, opened up to the American people.

What exactly that was? Don't hear anything about it. I'm looking into it now. But do I think there's terrorists that cross during the Biden administration that's in this country right now? Absolutely. I'd be a fool to say,

I didn't think so. Do you know how they're setting up at all? I do not. I do not know. I can just tell you, when it comes to Chinese, record amongst the Chinese nationals across the border. I've been around since 1984.

These numbers exploded under Biden. And I know there's no way. Tens of thousands of Chinese national came from China to the United States. No way they came around the cooperation of the Chinese government and Chinese organized crime

just don't happen. I think we all can agree to that. And and what scares me more is why they hear that scares me we know they're already setting up you know places outside of military bases we know we get we don't have the spy balloon corporate espionage and the vast majority it wasn't like family groups coming across these were many of them most of them were you know military age males which again is it is it real serious national securities and so why they hear i think you know it's being investigated we're looking into it and hopefully we get some you know i'm sure things are being done in intelligence community i'm not

involved in right now but deep national security concern i've said it many times this open border was probably the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen because we don't know who came across and that over two main that known gotaways and we're not even talking about the unknown godaways places like big ben sector where we don't have technology. How many people cross there that we don't know about? How many people came maritime they got away? How many people came through Canada? Because our resources on Canada under Joe Biden, we got very few resources in Canada border, the Canadian border anyways, right? But half of the border relations on the Canadian border were detailed to the southern border to deal

with that mess. And the half that remained on the Canadian border, most of them were sitting at a computer processing southern border apprehensions virtually. So there's practically no lake patrol, river patrol, road patrol in northern border. So got help what came to be the Canadian border we don't know about. What other type of bad actors are coming? I mean, we've got human smuggling slash sex trafficking. We've got drugs. We've got regular cartel members who are embedding themselves into the U.S., local U.S. governments.

We have Chinese, which are conduct. all kinds of corporate and defense espionage, setting up these huge Bitcoin scam camps. They're spying on our bases. I mean, one of them was even producing power for a major military base in Texas. And then what else do we have? And then we have the...

We have a record number of Russian, citizen Russia, Turkey. I didn't think about that. You know, a lot of these countries, are special interest countries who had a record a number of people from those countries coming across.

Not to mention the gangs. You know, Trendahua and MS-13. A lot of gang members come through. You know, I remember during the Obama administration where these family groups

are coming across, we knew that some of the members these families weren't families were actually gang members. Administration took no action on it. I didn't tell you, the president, Trump 45, his first four years,

we did Operation Matador. and up in Long Island, New York. We rest is just short of 500 gang members. Most of them are 13. When we dig into the files, you know that 42% of them enter the country as a family member or UAC. So they'll infiltrate,

they'll come in as a stage family member, they're not. They'll come in as UAC because UAC's up to 17. Which UAC? On a couple of alien child. The children come across, vast majority of UACs are 14 and 17.

Well, these are gang members, posing. They could be 1920, posing a 17-year-old. That happened a lot. Now it's not happening because the board has shut down, but when we went to this operation, 42% of these entered a child of a family group, supposed family group that worked, or a UAC on the company, and a child.

They weren't a child at all. They were an adult opposed as a child. But under Trump 45, we attacked it because we did DNA tests and made sure that family is actually a family. Biden administration stopped out. And that's why I think you saw skyrocketing. And once they dropped, they didn't vet the entire family to sponsors. Under Trump, we'd bet the entire family.

Just not the sponsor. Anybody lived in a household we bet. When Biden came and shut those rules down, more vetting, people in the household, no more DNA testing. Childs spurning skyrocketed. We don't know who a child with a parent or not with a parent. And that's why we got 300,000 missing ones now. So they relax the rules. Again, process quick, release quick. Less rules, faster the process goes. All they care about is the optics. And I guarantee there's children right now in this country by the thousands will wake up every day living a life of hell.

Because they're living with a sponsor that's abusing them. Jeez. When these entities come across Chinese, traditional terrorists, cartel gangs, Russians, are they, were they grouped into, would it be a caravan or a smuggling operation of just that entity, just Chinese, just Russian, just al-Qaeda, just MS-13. They usually blended with another group. Sometimes you got solely Chinese come across to the group or many times were blended.

The scariest thing about these countries, these unfriendly countries, in my opinion, is when Secretary of Majorca sits there and says these people we released were vetted, they weren't vetted. You can call it vetting, but we know the vetting was a joke. we don't have, you think the Chinese government is going to give us a national security information

or any information these nationals coming across? No. Russia, Turkey, Syria. Do you think any of these countries going to share it? No, the car's not. And as far as come to criminal data, we don't have access to other countries' criminal data. You think El Salvador was

in Honduras and Guatemala were, I don't even know if they have an NCIC database like we got. They weren't property bed. And when they stood on and said these people were vetted, what it usually meant was they were vetted through NCIC and AAA, state systems there. So unless they had a criminal history here, you know,

that was the most vetting of us done. Some they'll vet through a terrorist screening database, but you and I both know, most terrorists in this world aren't in any database. Yeah. Unless they were part of a T3 investigation or encountered on a battlefield or, you know, There's a lot of terrorists in this world.

They're not in any database. So when they say they betted these people, they bet them through a weak system. Well, on top of that, I mean, we did have a lot of, I mean, not with new ones, but we had a lot of intel. I mean, we used to use this thing called the hide system. You know, when I was working over there, they would take a retina map or whatever. But when we withdrew from Afghanistan, the way we did, we did. gave all of that up, everything. And that proves

what the vetting was, right? They said they vetted all the Afghani states that brought over here. DOD-I-G, Inspector General said they weren't property vetted. So this administration lied about all the vetting procedures.

How about the tunnels? Tunnels are big in California. We're starting to see some now in Arizona. We got some pretty good tunnel technology, but the more we find, the more they dig. But this administration, we got a lot of really smart companies cutting us, companies

that are coming to the table with tunnel technology. Some are pretty sophisticated. How do those work? It's simple. They'll dig the tunnel down in Mexico and it comes up usually now inside of a building, less attention. They'll come up outside of a, like a corporate plaza. They'll come up inside of a warehouse or a building. There's some, I don't want to discuss the technology,

I don't want to show our hand, but there's a lot of latest technology that help us find those tunnels, but we're finding many. But there's some, we, you know, again, as we shut down the tunnel, none of them being dug. So it's a, it's a count,

a cat mouse came on the tunnels. We shut down a lot of them. Some are very sophisticated. They're lighted, air condition, you know, you can take carts through there. Some of you got to crawl through. We just, they're using the water, the, the, the, the drainage pipes in El Paso. They just go through a city drainage area.

They use some of that sometimes. But we got that pretty much under control. But tunnel digging is, is increasing just because the border's locked down. So again, the cartels aren't going to go away. They're going to think of another reason, another method of getting in the United States. That's why maritime, we're seeing a maritime increase now. are taken to, you know, to the Pacific or the Atlantic through the Caribbean or over San Diego. Some are taking bongo boats as far as north as Laguna de Gao.

President Trump's got Navy ships out of their patrol now. We got increased Coast Guard patrols, and Border Patrol also got maritime increasing. So we're trying, we adapt as the cartels move, you know, move their method of operation. We adapt pretty quickly. Who are some of the, if there been any key players that you've caught, like cartel leaders, ISIS leaders, terrorist leaders, sex trafficking leaders, have you caught any, we'll just call kingpins? Quite a few.

We got quite a few of MS-13 TDA leadership. FBI's taken, as you know, some significant terrorist leaders out. But when it comes to what I'm doing on immigration enforcement, we have taken out a major command of control of TDA and MS-13. But I won't be happy to every single one of them has been removed from this country. But we've hurt TDA. TDA is on the run.

There's still some errors we need to attack. The problem is they've got a foothold in sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities is hard. because local law enforcement cannot work with us because of Sanctuary City laws. So it's kind of like a cat and mouse game over there too. I mean, New York City, you know, TDA and MS-13 both have a huge presence there. We just did an operation with NYPD a month ago.

I think three weeks ago I was overdone press counts. We indicted 27 members of TDA. Huge public safety win. New York City became that much safer. but they're a sanctuary city. Well, I think we showed during that operation, if they'd work with us, look at the great impact we'll have in public safety.

And now, you know, you've got the city council over there, suing the mayor for working with us. The mayor wants to get us back into Rikers Island to arrest a bad guy. And it's the right thing to do. Let us arrest a public safety threat in the safety and security of a jail. Because you release them,

that puts the community at risk, puts our officer at risk, and now we've got to go find him on his turf where he has access to who knows what weapons, right? So even though we show great success, what we can do together in New York City, right away the city council sues, trying to prevent that type of cooperation. Man.

It's ridiculous. Sanctuary cities, no, Sanctuary cities under Biden exploded. They did nothing about it. President Trump's taking action. Pam, Bonnie's starting to file lawsuits against sanctuary cities. I'm working with Secretary Nome.

We're adding more resources, sanctuary cities, because that's where the problem is. They're knowingly released in public safety threats back in the community. You know, I got attacked by the left for making a speech at one speech, but I was going to go to Boston bring hell with me. So how dare he threaten Boston? I wasn't threatened Boston. I was threatening the criminal illegal aliens in Boston's that rape children. Before I gave that speech, I looked through a list of people we arrested,

over the past few months, I stopped at nine illegal aliens that raped children. And they'd rather release them back to the street and they call us once they get out of jail. So he's damn right. I said, I was going to bring you. I'll bring hell to every illegal alienate

that commits a crime against a child over there. And we did. I went over there. I think in a matter of two days, we arrested several child predators, arrested numerous TDA members. Chicago, same thing. Chicago mayor said I wasn't welcome to Chicago. Chicago's first place I went after inauguration because I was told I wasn't welcome there.

It was the first place I went. And the first day we were there, we arrested two illegal aliens that had a murder conviction, rested TDA members, arrested child sex predators. One day in Chicago, that city was that much safer. But they still refused to work with us. So I've said, sanctuary city is going to get exactly what they don't want. More agents in the communities and more collateral arrest. Because right now the media's meeting us up, oh, you say you're going to concentrate.

and public safety threats, national security threats. But a lot of people you're arresting aren't criminals. Okay, where are they being arrested? They're being arrested in a sanctuary city. Why? Because you forced me into the community. If you let me in the jail, one agent can arrest one bad guy. In the safety security of jail.

But you'd rather release that public safety threat back in the public, which puts the public a harm, puts an agent a harm, puts an alien a harm, because anything can happen on the street arrest. Let me in the jail. But when you force me in the community, We're going to go to the community and we're going to find that person. And when we find him, he's probably with others. Others may not be a criminal target burden of the country illegally.

ISIS is going to do the job and arrest that collateral. How do these sanctuary cities work? I mean, how are they harboring illegal immigration? How are they helping? Well, my definition is sanctuary city. They don't give us access to jail. They were under detainers. So they'd rather release the illegal alien public safety.

to our back in community. Here's the justification. Well, we're a welcoming community. We're a sanctuary city because we want victims and witnesses of crime, if they're in the country lately, victim and witnesses of a crime

to feel comfortable coming and reporting that crime without fear that we're working with us. That's bullshit. We all know that. We don't want to talk to the victim or witness. We want to talk to the guy that you locked in a jail cell.

That's what we want to talk to. And I'm sure, the victim and witness of a crime, don't want the bad guy back out there either to take revenge on the victim, witness of crime. Give us a bad guy. Because I think if you went to an immigrant community and ask him one question, would you rather have ICE operating in the jail or your community? They don't want to say the jail.

Because the immigrant community, even the illegal immigrant community, even though they're in the country legally, men in wants to get her, are pretty law-abiding. The family people, they care about their families, though. They didn't want a predator in their neighborhood either. They don't want someone arrested with DUI 10 times in their neighborhood either. So let us in the jail. You're the one that locked the guy in a jail cell, apparently because he's a public safety threat, why you're locking him up?

Give us that access to that person. When you're done with them, give them to us. So stop telling the story that your sanctuary city can try and protect the victims and witnesses of the crime to come forward. The only reason they're going to be afraid is because the message that lets us sending out, that we're out there's tearing up families and raiding neighborhoods. We don't raid neighborhoods. We don't sweep neighborhoods.

Everybody we arrest is a target enforcement operation. When we go out on the streets, we know exactly who we're looking for. We're most likely we will find them. We have the full immigration history, full criminal history. Many times we know who's in the house, if there's children in the house. These officers spend a lot of time planning these operations. It's not a sweep. We don't go through neighborhoods

looking for people different than us. It's targeting enforcement operations, but the left keeps lying to the American people saying we're sweeping neighbors, we're tearing families apart, we're out there, you know, just, you know, racial profiling. It's ridiculous. So this is very intel-driven. Absolutely.

Every person will go arresters. There's a few jobs sheet done on them. That's beside by a supervisor. Now the left's out there saying, well, now we're raiding school. and churches and hospitals because we did away with a sensitive location policy. We did away the sensitive location policy for the company's number one, were the only law enforcement agency that had such a policy.

FBI don't have that policy, DEA don't have that policy, ATF. None of these federal agencies have a policy where you can't arrest somebody on a school, grounds, or a hospital, or someplace else. And why did we do away with that? because there is no sanctuary under President Trump. There is no sanctuary for criminal aliens, public safety threats, or national security threats in this country. It doesn't mean we're going to raid a school,

but if we have an MS-13 gang member that's a senior at this high school over here, and we've been looking for him, we can't find him, but all of a sudden we know that he's attending class here right now, significant public safety threat, we're going to arrest that guy with his census of the local authorities. It doesn't mean we're sweeping a school. means we're taking one bad guy out.

And more than likely, we're going to wait for him to leave class. But the left takes it, oh, they're going to sweep schools, they're going to sweep hospitals, you want to sweep churches. It's ridiculous. But if there's a national security threat attending mass right now that we've been looking for, we know he's right now in a mass, we're going to arrest them. There's no sanctuary for public safety threats or national security threats in this country under President Trump. So that's right.

But, again, the media takes that. So now I'm reading a story about, you know, teachers, you know, elementary school teachers, you know, teach their children and other school board members and other teachers how to defy ICE, they show up for your school. It's just a vilification. And we knew it's coming. The vilification of ICE, vilification of Trump, vilification of me, which I don't care. I mean, I really don't care what people think about me because I know I'm doing the right thing. So you can hate on me all you want. Matter of fact, I get disappointed when I should go an event.

There's not protesters. I'm a little disappointed. I actually like protesters. But the media is not being factual with American people. And that's very, very irritating. It's an insult because they're hiding the truth. Not the media just a couple weeks ago. I said, we're deporting less people in Joe Biden.

Yeah. Why? Because the border is shut down. The board is secure. A lot of Biden removals, they're counting ice removers and border trove removers together. Yeah, millions of people coming across every year, right? And they did remove a certain percentage of them.

We could remove 100% of people we encounter, and Joe Biden can remove 5% of people we encounter. He's still going to beat us. The border was on secure. He had 10.5 million people come across the board in 10 years. But if you look at ICE arrest, the true deportation number, ICE arrests. 5 million people were killing them on ICE deport.

They won't say that. They fudge the numbers on purpose. It looks like we're doing less, and we're not. ICE is arresting and deporting on a lot more people. Under Joe Biden, you had 10.5 million people coming to the border. Historic numbers every year, four years. Every year is a historic number. He kept breaking his own record every year.

Same time you have historic illegal immigration on southern border. ICE under Biden had the lowest numbers of removals, arrests that they arrested, not Borough Joe. Lowest number of arrests and removals by ICE. in the history of the agency at the same time he had unprecedented crossing on the border. We've turned that around.

We've got the most secure border in the history of this country right now. ISIS arrested about three times more criminals than Biden never thought arrest them. I mean, I remember. You look at the numbers right now, Sean. An average day I're in Joe Biden. 1,800 got away,

you and I talked about it every day. 1800. The other day we had it 38. 1800 a day. We had 38 the other day. You look at the numbers, apprehensions a day. 10, 12,000 under Biden many, many times, a few times got the 15.

But let's just take 10,000, because we were allowed those days. That's almost 800,000 a year. Of course, yeah. Under Biden. What was it gotaway number the other day? 41. 41 too many.

I'll be happy when zero. 1841. The number that impressed me the most is those they released into the country. So the first 100 days under Trump, nine people were released from the border under Trump.

Four of them were material witnesses. We wanted them here to testify in a serious criminal case. Four were extreme medical conditions. We had to take them to a hospital. or they're going to die. You know, extreme medical conditions. We just can't deport somebody in a bad way like you can't do it.

Talk about being inhumane. And one was a discretionary release for humanitarian, humanitarian reasons. So out of those nine releases, one was really discretionary. Nine total. Same time frame under Biden 100 days, 184,000 people were released into United States. That's what President Trump has done for this border. Again, most secure border in the history of this nation today.

How are you, other than sending more regions, how are you dealing with these sanctuary cities? I mean, we saw a judge, was it Wisconsin that got arrested? Well, I said from day one, the sanctuary cities and the governors, the mayors, and if you want to support sanctuary cities, that's what you want to do with them, go ahead. Just don't get in our way. I would think every governor, every mayor, any city council person, their number one responsibility is protection of their communities. I've already been clear, and President Trump's been clear from day one, we're prioritizing public safety threats and national security threats.

They should be shoulder to shoulder with us on this. But their hatred for Trump, there's a port of sanctuary cities, and the politics, putting politics over public safety. means more to them. I wish they love their communities more than they hate Trump, because we can make a difference. But I said from day one, you can not support us. You can protest us, but if you cross the line, we'll seek prosecution. If you cross the line of impeding us, that's a felony. If you knowingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien from us, that's a felony. If you interfere, We won't seek prosecution. And it's already happened to one judge, two judges.

What were they doing? A mayor was arrested just this past few days. Newark. And Newark, because he was trespassing. We're not going to tolerate it. We got Pam Bondi, powerful attorney general right there. We got Cash Patel. I mean, we're simply not going to deal with it.

You cannot support us. You can, you know, call us all the names you want, protest all you want. But don't cross that line because we're going to force the law. President Trump is elected by the American people overwhelmingly because of his stance on the border, securing the border, and run this deportation operation. That is what we're going to do. We're going to keep President Trump's promised the American people that vote him in office for this reason. We're going to do it.

So you can stand aside and watch, but don't get our way and don't cross the line. But it does, it's sanctuary cities, we need more people. So what I've said of sanctuary cities, we're going to flood the zone. How many sanctuary cities are there? Oh, I don't have 100. I mean, I just saw literally yesterday that the mayor of Nashville is now going to use taxpaying dollars to harbor illegal aliens. Well, you better not.

Arboring and concealing illegal aliens of felony. Eight United States. United States Code 1324. You know, my career, I've arrested U.S. citizens for harboring an alien in the workplace or their homes. Why are politicians any different? They shouldn't. We're going to force logging to anybody across that line.

But what sanctuary city is going to get, we're going to flood the zone. If one agent can't arrest a bad guy in the jail, now I've got to send a whole team usually five or six guys to go arrest this person, five or six agents, to arrest this person. because who knows what weapons has access to, rest them at his turf.

So if I can't arrest them in the jail, safety and security of jail, which is safe for everybody, then I got to send a whole team in the neighborhood. If we can't arrest them at home, then arrest them at place for employment. So we're going to flood the zone with agents and communities. We're going to increase works on enforcement operations tenfold. We're going to get them. So sanctuary city is going to get what they don't want. More agents in your communities, more collateral risk.

Because when we find a bad guy, like I said, before, we're going to arrest anybody we find while we're looking at that guy, if we find illegal alien and exercise that operation, they're going to go too. Because under the last administration, they told ICE, immigration officers who took an oath to enforce immigration law, myorkers told ICE, you can't arrest somebody for being here illegally. They have to be arrested for a serious crime, convicted of a serious crime before you can take action. They rewrote immigration law. Well, no, the statute is clear. We told ICE agents you will. You will. I'll pull the ult you took, you will enforce the laws,

you took an old to enforce. So if you find an illegal alien, while you're looking for that bad guy, take them in a custody. So again, sanctuary cities, everybody said, why are there so many of clad of arrests? Because you forced me in the neighborhood. So we're going to flood the zone.

What has been the response of border patrol, law enforcement, ice? I mean, personally. Let me tell you, son. The last four years, I made a dozen trips to the border. I was a board of religion.

So I'll go down there, I just see what's going on. Most the agents recognize me. And they talk free to me. They were miserable. They consider themselves Uber drivers, tourist agents. They weren't enforced in the law. Yeah.

They were simply finding people they arrested. People across the border. I want to say they arrested them. They detained them. They processed them and took them to an airport or bus station. Or hand them over to NGO that took them to an airport. airport or bus station. They were arresting people who broke our laws,

entered country legally, and sending them around their way. Children, they send the ORR, and ORR was deliver them, the children, to the very people, many times, that arranged to have them smuggled the United States. That's a felony. And by the administration, we're delivering these children

to the same people who paid to have them smuggled here. Now, we're addressing that right now. We'll hold people accountable, but that's what was occurring. So the morale was in the toilet. Borgatrol agents were quitting, retiring early, recruiting, recruiting done at all, ICE, same thing. Last month, under Borgatrol, the highest recruiting numbers ever in the history of the agency. Because people want to be a part of this.

People want to be a part about securing the nation, protect that southern border. The recruiting numbers are through the roof. Morale's at an all-time high. I mean, I would think it's at an all-time high. I mean, I remember watching that the agent on horseback, that they painted a mount to be whipping, like he had a whip, and it turned out to be just the horse reins. I mean, they just kneecap these guys.

When that video came out, I was sitting in my living room. I was bored till I was. I know there was some engagement. I saw that video, I think, okay, They did perfectly. They performed perfectly. The horses performed perfectly. Just like the horses in New York City do crowd control.

The horses, they're trained very well. And these officers on those horses are masters of what they do. I watched that. I thought, these guys did a great job. The only people did anything wrong in that video were the Haitian illegal aliens who entered country illegally, which is a crime, by the way, and ignored commands from a federal officer,

which is a crime. But no one talked about the Haitians violating law that day. They talked about the agents whipping black people. You had the President of the United States stand at the White House podium and slander these men. You had the Secretary of Homeland Security slander these men from the White House podium. And to this day, they never been apologized to. I said from day one, once the investigation cleared them, they didn't whip anybody. Was there any apologies?

No. And these men's families were bullied in churches and schools? their careers will never be the same. But now they got a record. And even after the investigation said they didn't whip anybody, they were trying to come up with some charges, oh, you use the bad word, or you're too aggressive, because they don't want to embarrass the president,

and they had to come up with something. But the union got some good legal support fees, agents, but it was a travesty. Can you imagine being a GS-12 border drill agent and going home that night from work when the president of the United States compared you to racist? Man. I mean, these men and women

put their lives online for his country every day. Look, in my career, I buried Borg Trail agents. I buried ICE agents.

The saddest thing I've ever had to do is handing a folded flag to a child or a surviving spouse. They tarnished the memory of every agent that gave the ultimate sacrifice

that day. These men on a horseback did a fabulous job and never received them apology after after, you know, thrown under the bus from the White House podium.

Now, President Trump, he's, like me, he loves Borgra, loves ICE, he has her six, doing what we can to support them. But letting them do their jobs is the best morale boost you could ever do. I just told you a few minutes ago,

I wake up every day like a kid in the candy shop could we get to do the job that I dealt with for four decades, can fix the mess that Biden made. You think my morale is high? You'll see the morale of the men and we're actually making the difference. The ones are carrying the badge and gun down there.

Their morale's at an all-time high. I mean, this just bled into every aspect of law enforcement. I mean, so many friends that left law enforcement over the last four years because they were telling me, hey, you know, we'd pick these guys up. We'd pull them over. They'd have drugs in the car. They'd be drunk.

They'd be trafficking. whatever the crime was, and if they didn't have proper documentation, and they were illegal, then they had to let them go. And so many guys walked off the job just because they weren't able to enforce the law. Is that still happening, or is that finished?

There's a morass all-time high. They're doing the job. President Trump gives them full support and enforced laws, and they're doing it. Matter of fact, prosecutions right now on the southern border are all-time high. They're just not arresting legal aliens. They're prosecuting people.

They're prosecuting people with illegal entry. They're prosecuting people for a felony reentry after a deportation. They're prosecuting people for entering an army installation. They're prosecutions of smoking a skyrocket. Now we're stepping up prosecutions on the interior. You know, you've got a lot of politicians out there, a lot of NGOs, who say they're educating illegal aliens. constitutional rights. You don't have to open the door for ICE. You don't have to answer questions.

You don't have to provide documents. And I've been going at this for a couple months now, but what we're doing now, there's 8 U.S.C. 1253, I think that's the site. You cannot hinder your own removal. If you have an order removed from a federal judge and you try to hinder that removal, that is a crime. We're going to start prosecuting if you're for it. So now we'll put you in jail. Prosecutty puts you up. would deport you. We're not playing games anymore. So we're out there, like I say, Sanctuary is hitting them hard, and we're going to hit him harder. We're going to keep coming. The media and these leftist politicians and these activist judges, to this day, I've never seen the activist judges I see right now. When you have a district court judge, district court judge, he has a district, putting a nationwide injunctions across the entire nation, what we can and can't do. Every time we make progress, another judge said you can't do it. We're in so much litigation right now.

It's incredible. You know, they all want, there's a legal process or a due process, but there was no legal process. They ignore the legal process and due process when they enter the legal. They didn't use the legal process then. But all of a sudden now, we're deporting people. Where's the legal process? Where's the due process?

It's just The amount of lawsuits They've already filed against this administration It's just more than The last 10 years combined It's just incredible The amount of lawsuits we're facing right now We'll win them

But it slows us down And that's what their whole intention It slows us down Because we don't want to ruin their long-term plans Who these people may be someday Well, you know, to Democratic votes I mean I've never seen

anything like this in my career. I mean, with 10.5 million illegal immigrants that have come across the border within the last four years, and then you come in to clean that up. Where do you even begin?

When President Trump made it clear, we'll go for public safety threats and national security threats first. And that's what we've been doing. But again, the collateral numbers are increasing because of sanctuary cities, but it's hard job. I can't tell you

everything we do to find these people because it's law enforcement sensitive, but like I said earlier, a lot of people have a footprint that went away, but there's a lot of smart technology out there to help us find people, but thanks for our cities of heart.

Because these people are actually in custody at one point. We know who they are. Because here's what people don't understand. If you get arrested tonight, you're going to get fingerprinted. And those fingerprints go to NCIC. check for your criminal history. Well, they also bounce against

DHS databases. So we know for a fact John Ryan just got arrested he's sitting in Smith County jail right now. That was a long time ago. So then we get a bump back. If we got immigration record,

hey, this guy who has a warrant or deportation or this guy we deported before is sitting in this jail right now. So we should detain her. Say, hey, we want that guy when you're done with him. So we know where they're at. But when Sanctuary Cities release them,

now they're in the community, now we've got to go find them. So it's very hard work. There's a lot of smart technology out there right now to help us find these people. But it's not 100%. I mean, many times, you know, we go out and they move to change their name.

And, you know, it's a lot of hard work. But I guess my point is, when people see us out there, we're not sweeping anything. We spend a lot of time an effort looking at these people and building a file in these people, so we increase the chance that we actually find this guy and arrest them. It's not a simple process. It's a long, drawn-out process, but it would be so much more efficient. If you just give us the bad guy in the

jail, that would save thousands and thousands of hours of investigative work. It makes community safer. Releasing a public safety threat back into the public when you don't have to, it's just stupid. It just defies common sense. If you locked them in the jail cell, why not give them to us when you're done with them? And you got sheriffs like that, well, we can't either detain.

We can't hold them for 48 hours on your word because there's some legal precedent that can't be done. If we don't hold them for 40 hours, why don't you call us before you release them? We'll be there. You don't have to hold them a minute past you would normally hold them. Just let us know when you release them. We'll be there.

It's about public safety. And I've called Sheriff's Out who refused to cooperate with us. I think they forgot what is like being a law enforcement officer and became a politician. It's just Mayor Adams, you know, I beat Mayor Adams up for three years. Well, he was a career cop that became a mayor and forgot what it's like to be a cop. And his cops were being beat up by illegal aliens and he still wasn't assisting with ICE. Then I went up and met with a few times. times, you know, due the election process, an absolute election.

And for the first time, I sat down, I saw the cop come out of him. And he said, you know what, you're right. Public safety threats, we should be shoulder to shoulder. I need to get you in Rikers Island. You arrest a bad guy in Rikers Island rather than being released back to the streets of New York. So he got him to the table. He's doing the right thing. And the city council sues him for working with me or working with us.

It's just incredible. How many agencies are collaborating with you guys to get this done? Right now the nationwide interior enforcement operations, President Trump has a hollow government approach first time ever. It's amazing. We got, okay, we got ICE, which is HSI and the RO enforcement removal operations. We got the DEA, you got the FBI, you got ATF, you got U.S. Marshals, you got the State Department. I think the postal inspectors are coming on. But for sure, it's all the DOJ agencies.

And what's great about it, we arrest the illegal alien target and he has dope. DA's right there. You can prosecute him before we deport him. If, you know, he got a gun, get ATF right there. Prosecute him. Illegal alien possession of firearm, 922G, felony. Prosecute them. Then we deport him.

It's great. Plus they have their own intelligence, right? DA has a lot, numerous investigations that involve born nationals. So they're sharing intelligence with us. FBI, same thing, numerous. investigations of foreign nationals. All of our intelligence, our data bases collide with one. We all got their working.

And it's been amazing. President Trump's a game change. You're putting DOD on the border with us. Pete Hickseth said it best that we spent decades defending other nations' borders. Now we're defending ours. I want to get to the actual border here in a bit. but when it comes to the economy, and I'm just curious to hear your thoughts here,

there's such a big sector of the economy that relies on cheap labor, illegal immigration, home builders, commercial builders, landscaping, just about all the blue-collar jobs, jobs and that and that sector seem to be illegal immigrants. And so I'm sure because of the mass deportations that the, you know, the prices are going to rise and something that I hear a lot of are business owners that are, that they're trying to, they're trying to get their workforce legal and put them through that system.

And they're not able to do it. Is there any, or do you think there should be any type of program to fast track people that are just here to work, keeps business flowing, keeps prices a little bit less than what they would be? I mean, is there any type of program where construction types can get their workforce legalized? Well, first of all, let me tell you my thoughts after doing this for four years. My opinion is most people don't hire an illegal alien are the goodness or heart. The hiring them harder, pay them less undercut the competition

who have your citizen employees. I'll give you one example. I put a new roof from my house several years ago. I had to call five different companies, five or six, think five, until I got a company to guarantee me a legal workforce. We had a lot of people come and give me bids. One guy showed up, But it was him and his son.

They're hoping they could just do a repair, and I'll do the whole roof. I said, I need the whole roof. He told me he had 20 U.S. citizen employees. They put on the roof at 15, 20 bucks an hour. But he couldn't win a bit. Because the other companies aren't either going to go aliens, put them on the roof for $5, $7 an hour.

Ridiculous wages. He couldn't win a bit. So what did he do? He laid off 20 citizen employees and him and son just doing repairs. That happens a thousand times across this country every day. Because you undercut your competition as you a citizen, and illegal employment drives down wages.

That's proven. So with that, I can tell you that it will have an impact on some industries, especially now that we're doing works on enforcement operations. But Biden administration shut down works on enforcement operations. At the same time, we had the biggest human trafficking crisis in history of this nation. Where do we find most victims of trafficking? workforce operations. And like I said, where do we find a lot of bad guys

if we can't arrest them in the jail? We can't arrest them home, arrest them in the job. So we're doing works like enforcement operations. But there's some industries that really rely on them. I think President Trump made it clear just a few weeks ago that farm workers, he wants to, you know, increase the program that allows more people to come to this country to work on farms.

It's a, H2B program. Congress needs to make a fix. What needs to happen is Department of Labor needs to ascertain if there's truly a need of that employment to make sure there's not U.S. citizens willing to take those jobs. So Congress has a role here.

I think President Trump's looking at that sector that try to provide help. So it's a common-sense approach. And that's why I think he's concentrated on public safety threats, national security threats first, why they work out some of these other plans. But under Trump, 45, he put an immigration plane on the table that based immigration in this country based on merit, what they can bring to this country as far as work. Also, but he still kept mom's dad, sons and daughters in there and family.

It's a great plan. I was involved and looked at it. Parts I didn't weren't involved, I looked at. What happened? Congress didn't bring it out. Why? Because the plan required money for a war. He had a fix for DACA.

Got shut down my Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Why? Because there's money here for the wall. So President Trump, again, is putting things on the table. I think it would be very beneficial. If there was a need for that employment, then we should have those employees, but it has to go through a process

to make sure we're not displacing U.S. citizen employees. A lot of high-tech jobs are going to outside companies from foreign nations. Trying to tell me, there's not enough U.S. citizen employees to take those high-tech jobs. we could pay in jobs. There just needs to be a process. But President Trump started the other day

talking about farm workers. We need to really pay attention on farms because there is a need for more employment on farms, but they need to go through the legal process. And there is a legal process. It could be improved. But there's a legal process, age-to-A program. You can bring farm workers on a seasonal basis

to come and, you know, for instance, pick crops during the season, then go back home when they're done in the season. So there's some more work to doing that. But that's why I think President Trump's concentrating on the criminals right now. Would you like to see, would you like to see the red tape ease up a little bit when it comes to doing something like this?

Of course. Congress can fix a lot of things. Those guys told you earlier, there's three laws they could fix right now. That was all of 85% of the border problem. That way, every administration that comes in doesn't have to undo it what the other one did. What are those laws? Drafing Victims Act, as we talked about. The asylum rules.

in the floor of settlement agreement. Let us detain families in the residential center, those three rules alone. Well, Congress can't seem to get anything done. I mean, funding right now. I mean, we're doing great work. But with more money, we can do more. I mentioned 700,000 illegal aliens with some sort of criminal history, either convicted or pending criminal charges.

With more money, we could put more teams out there. everybody we arrest to deport, we need a bed for it. We need more beds. So Congress needs to fund what I call a mandate for the American people that put him in office to do. Congress needs to fund us. It's the same old budgeting process, right? Under Trump 45, Trump tried to do the right thing. The first two years you had the House and Senate, a lot of things kind of get done because there's some Republicans on the Hill and never Trumpers didn't want to do the right thing. So I don't have a lot of faith in them. I'm hoping they've learned a lot of. lesson, now that we have the House and Senate right now, we've got two years to make a difference

because who knows what's going to happen in two years? You never counted anything. But Congress needs to step up. A lot of these problems could be solved by Congress. But until then, President Trump has stepped up, again, the game changer. He's issued a series of executive orders that gave us the most secure border in the history of this nation right now that's giving us more criminal arrest in the interior than Biden never did. So we're doing really good. But with more money, we can do more and do it quicker. Congress got a lot of things they could address. When it comes to the deportations, there's a very controversial case with the El Salvadorian guy who he was an El Salvadorian citizen, correct?

Yes. What is the controversy there? The controversy is during his immigration proceedings, he had a, he had an order from a judge that he couldn't be removed through El Salvador because he showed a fear of his safety. from a gang that was in El Salvador. He had an order withholding. However, he had two orders of deportation. Now, people say it was a mistake. I'd call it maybe an oversight

because even though there's withholding order in there, the facts of that withholding order, the facts that justified the withholding order had changed. For instance, that gang, he was afraid of, no longer exists in El Salvador. Oh, that's interesting. Second thing, because President Buckele, like him or loving, that's one of the safest nations in the region right now.

What he did, he obliterated MS-13 in his nation. The second thing that changed, the fact that changes, now he's a designated terrorist because he's a verified member of MS-13. So things change since the remote. Number one, now he's a designated terrorist, and two, the fear he has no longer exists. So, and here's what's going to, here's what, the best it could ever happen for him, Let's say he came back. He's going to be immediately detained and deported again.

Because there's deport. He's been ordered deported by two different judges. They said they didn't have due process. He had all, he's been ordered removed by two different judges. He's due process. So the way I see, he's home. He's a citizen and national vows Salvador, he is home. And Buckella can do what he wants.

I won't get in the weeds of, you know, because it's under litigation. But I think we removed the public safety threat. human trafficker, wife-beater, designated terrorists from this country. This country's safer because he's no longer here. And we'll let the DOJQ continue to litigate it, but President Trump, again, committed to removing the worst to worst,

and that's what we did. And he was an El Salvadorian citizen. Absolutely. And he was verified MS-13. Verified by numerous sources. not only ICE, but by a police agency, gang unit, judge recognized it. Even El Salvadoran recognized him as a 13 member.

So, you know, plus now troops coming out, right, video of him trafficking, smuggling, a wife filing protection orders because he, you know, assaulting her. It's unfortunate that Senator Van Halen and others flew down there to cuddle with him. At the same time, he had U.S. citizen parents in his state of Maryland who buried their children

because their children were murdered and raped by a TDA member or MS-13 member. I would think of U.S. citizen would be more concerned with his U.S. citizen constituency who buried their children more than a designated terrorist, public safety threat, whitefeeder, illegal alien.

But that's, That's where we're at today. We're putting politics over public safety, politics over common sense. Man. Remember you need news, you know, news reports out we're deporting U.S. citizen children. We can't legally report any U.S. citizen. What happened in those cases?

They said we deported U.S. and children. No, we didn't. The parent was already deported. The parent has a decision to make. Do I take my child with me? do I leave him here with a spouse or another relative. That's parenting one-on-one. The mother chose to take her child with her, her choice.

If we didn't do it, then the story would be we're separating families. You can't win. You go back to this day, they still, you know, they refer to me as the godfather family separation, right? Because I was ICE director, we did zero tolerance where families were separate.

And let me explain why we did that. Numbers were increasing. families. So we said, all right, let's start prosecuting the parent who brings your child through this dangerous journey, prosecuting them for illegal entry, which is a crime. Maybe we prosecute them and put them in jail, they'll stop sneaking in the country through the cartels and put their children in harm's way. Maybe it would decrease the amount of rapes we see down there. Maybe less children would die, so we decided to do zero tolerance.

Zero tolerance was done to save lives, decreased sexual assaults. As a cop, law enforcement used zero tolerance across the country all the time. July 4th weekend, zero tolerance in DUI. Zero tolerance on prostitution in the city. Law enforcement use zero tolerance, but let's try zero tolerance. Maybe we say some lives, maybe less women get raped.

However, when you prosecute that parent, they're going to be separated from the child. A child can't go to jail with a parent. Now, that happens U.S. citizens' families across this country every day, thousands of times. When I was a cop in New York,

I separated families and I arrested a father for DUI. You had a child in the car? Guess what? They got a father went to jail and many times a child would go to CPS if it wasn't somebody to take care of them. Domestic violence, I separated that family.

I was a cop. Father went to jail, separated from his kids. U.S. citizen families get separated every day by law enforcement. It's sad. It's unfortunate, but necessary. So when we did zero tolerance, the whole focus of zero tolerance in my mind was less rapes, less people dying, less children,

putting harm its way. And it worked. Zero to tolerance, border crossing the drop. So, Holman's a racist is cruel because he separated families. That's why we did it. Now you got 500,000 children were smuggling this country away from their families. Put in hands of criminal cartels. So that's the family.

separation right there. If I left my kid in the car for half hour went and got groceries, I'd be arrested. If I left my dog in my car during summertime, I'd get arrested. But 500,000 children were putting hands of criminal cartels separated from their families. No one talks about that.

They still want to talk about zero tolerance where no one talks about these half a million kids. 300,000 they can't find. 300,000 kids they can't find. They don't want to talk about that. They want to keep talking about Trump's zero towns for I think 25 to 3,000

separations. They didn't want to talk about hundreds of angels and moms and dad that I personally met and talked to who buried their children because their children were raped and murdered by a cartel or just simply killed by

an illegal alien that shouldn't be in this country. That's a separation because they buried their children. Their children are six foot under. No one wants to talk about that. The left keeps talking about zero tolerance and how inhumane the Trump policies were, but they ignore half a million kids, 300,000 missing, and U.S. citizen parents who bury their children, like the case in Lakers and Ryan. I can say her name on a hundred cases like that.

They don't want to talk about that. And this Senator Van Hounder goes down there to protect the MS-13 gamer, while a mother of five was beat, raped. and murdered in his state. Did you ever go meet with her? Politics over public safety, politics over common sense. Again, I'll say it. They need to love this country.

They need to love their communities more than they hate President Trump. It just don't make sense. As a kid that grew up in law enforcement community, I cannot believe where we're out of the nation right now. President Trump is doing the right thing every day. Look, I spent so much time with the president, whether it's in the Oval Office, Air Force One, outside events. People can hate him all they want. This man loves this country. He's doing the right thing for this country. The America we grew up in, the America I grew up in, West Carthers, New York,

flag and other reports, that's America he wants back. Securing the border safe lives. He has illegal immigration down 96%. Studies have been done that women to make that journey get sexually, 31% and women get sexually assaulted. When President Trump has illigrant grating down 96%, when 96% less people are coming, how many women aren't being raped, how many children aren't dying, how many Americans aren't dying from drug overdose of fat an auton electrons across that border, how many women and children aren't sex trafficked? How many members of terrorist wash? or no fly lists aren't coming across that border. Even the wall saves lives.

People say that Trump's family wall. No, every place they build a border barrier, illegal immigration went down. Even a little drug flow went down. Every place they put a border barrier. What the most important thing about the border barrier no one talks about? It saves lives. Because the most vulnerable, the women and children can't get over that wall, which means they're going to do a place where there's not a wall.

What's waiting on them? The men and women of the border patrol who's going to deal with that humanitarian, humanitarian issue right now from the lot of them are in bad shape when they find them wall saves lives so when 96% less people are coming how many lives are being saved every day in that south west border president trump saving thousands of lives the secure border saves lives that's what the president trump has done and the left will give him zero credit for him how how did you come in and secure that border so fast we got a great president president president Trump during his first speech at the Capitol.

When he says, you didn't need new laws, you didn't need Congress, you need a new president, he was exactly right. Because on Trump 45, he was a game change, right? He created the Remain in Mexico program. He had the third safe country agreements. He ended up to catch and release. So we, I knew when he came back in office, we know where to start because we already proved these policies worked.

So, but he immediately wrote a series of executive orders. You know, and a lot, many to say, many new ones. And like I said, in seven weeks, where that border is the highest flow ever, even more now. I mean, I think in seven weeks, had it down like over 90 percent, and now we're at 96 percent. And the numbers are extraordinary because what he came up with in its first administration proved it worked. That's why I pushed back against the bill that the Congress had that said that President Trump didn't. want the board of bill signed because he wanted this be election issue, that is such bullshit that bill would not have worked because it was going to allow, you know, four to five thousand a

day until they take action. You know, you do the math that's 1.8 million a year. We're okay with that. No, we're not. We shouldn't be okay with one. And didn't address the sex trafficking or the child trafficking. The bill was terrible. There was a bill called HR2 that the Republicans came up with and the Senate would even take it up for debate. So the bill that everybody talks about, the President Trump shut down, I hope he did. That was against it. I said, it won't work.

So why would we want to take a risk on a bill that we know it won't work? And we know what the secret recipe is, is what Trump did in Trump 45, which HR2, the bill I was talking about, that the Senate wouldn't even bring up, that had most of Trump's plans in it. We know that work.

Why would you argue against known success? Well, here's what they did. It puts this terrible bill up, had a couple of people in the Republican Party support it for a reason I don't understand they thought something was better than nothing maybe but they came up with the bill the last of the administration trying to show they cared about the border

what they did it was a setup let's get a couple Republicans agree to this it will never pass we know it will never pass then we say Republicans shut down border security they didn't want to fix it they didn't sign this bill president didn't support it he didn't want to fix They wanted to be an election issue. That was a bunch of crap.

The bill wouldn't have worked. It would have made things worse. I've done it longer. Anybody up on the hill that was about the writing of this bill has been involved. It was a setup. Let's set a bill up. We know it never passed them. We can put the blame on them for not passing the bill.

That was their game plan. They tried it. When President Trump came back in, he did what he had to do, and we fixed it, again, most secure border ever right now. So it sounds like he basically just said, Tom, take the gloves off. What secure the border? What did you do?

What did you do to fix it? The biggest game changer in securing the border was President Trump and the executive orders. They're the huge big game changers. But we basically went down the same road we did before. And we add a few other things to it like the Alien Emmiz Act. We use every two in the toolbox, every statute we could, every angle we could, of existing of all, these existing statues, existing acts, to, secure that border. We, we, rather making the board patrol problem or an ice problem, we made

all the government problem. The game change with President Trump. The game changer was the men and women ice and men and women of the board patrol that actually did it, got it got, got it, got it, took construction, got it done. They're the heroes in all this. I mean, there's a guy sitting in the White House helping develop the strategies. And all the people like Steve Miller and others. But President Trump, his E.O.s were a game. game changer from day one you know remain in Mexico a game changer it's probably all the policies the last two administrations Trump administration that's the biggest game changer you can still claim asylum you have that right but you're going to wait in

Mexico because we know nine out of ten of you will lose and get order removal and now we don't think we'll find you and releasing people in the United States just is an enticement people who come when you longer get released in the United States if you're not a really escape and fear and persecution not willing to give you life savings to the criminal cartels to lose your case. If you really are escaping fear and persecution from your home government, then you're willing to put up with that. So, you know, here's a sad thing.

Where the left is still saying, you know, these people are asylum seekers. They have a right to due process. They have a right to claim asylum. Okay. And nine out of ten been already removed, and you don't want them removed. Due process doesn't mean squat.

If at the end of due process, the judge's order isn't executed. And that's why the hate right now, the talk of a massive deportation operation is racist. What a terrible thing to do. No, it's not. On the end of historic illegal migration crisis, with 10.5 million, and that's a low number, came to the son of this, what we know about, tens of millions of people come to the border. You demand due process, and we give them that due process. and a judge orders are removed

and we don't remove them, then what the hell are we doing? Shut down the immigration court. It doesn't mean anything anymore. Take the board which are off the border because there's no consequence. No. Due process doesn't mean squat

if the final decision of the court isn't executed. And if the message we want to send to the whole world, enter the country illegally, it's a crime, thousands of people die making the journey, show up in court or don't show up in court, get order to remove, but don't worry to be.

no one's looking for you. You don't have to be removed. You're never going to solve the problem. You can't demand due process, ignore the end. So that's exactly what we're doing. People who've been already deported, they need to go home. But we're asking, if you're in a country league, go on your own. Go on a CBP home app now.

Sign up. We'll help you get home. We'll give you an airline ticket. Put some cash in your pocket. Go home. It'll be a huge cost savings of American taxpayer. That way, you can come. back maybe in the future on our legal program, maybe as a visitor, maybe as a student,

maybe you have a U.S. citizen child that can petition for you someday, alien relative. But if we have to go search for you and go to your whole process, having you formally reported, there's certain bars placed on you statutorily. Anywhere from five to 20 years, you can't come back. Leave on your own. Get your affairs in order, work with ICE, and leave on your own. And that's what President Trump is. How was that inhumane?

President Trump's offering different ways to get this done. But the answer is you can't stay here if you're in the country legally. You've had you due process. It's time to leave. We can't send the message that our process means nothing. Our laws mean nothing. I would imagine you're getting a lot of pushback from cartels. I mean, very much disrupting their financials with human trafficking,

with drug trafficking, with anything else that's coming in. I mean, how is, what kind of hurdles? are you facing from cartels down there? Well, the cartels are trying to, you know, they're going to change your method of operators. They want to get their product in here somehow. So I said earlier, you know, maritime's increasing. There can be tunnels.

They'll come through Canada. You know, again, we're on top of it. I think that's why President Trump is forcing Canada to do more to secure their southern border, our northern border. And they're stepping up some ways. The president wants more out of them. but addressing how the cartels change for method of operation is important.

Are you seeing a lot of drone activity with product coming over? Yeah. Joan activity is picking up, but there's a lot of technology. DoD has some great technology along with, there's a lot of companies out there at the table now with great drone technology

to address that threat. There was some telegram reports saying they're going to deliver explosives and drones and try to harm us. If that was ever to happen, all hell is going to break loose. The President Trump will not tolerate it. I said from day one, he will wipe them off the face of earth and he will.

He's already trying to talk to Mexico. Let's take the cartels out together. I think you and I both know it's going to take the United States. They're going to take this country, whether special forces, our intelligence or whatever it is. They're not going to do it without. They can't. Mexico has failed for decades to take out the cartels. It's going to take leaders.

from the United States. I hope Mexico comes to the table because President Trump wants to wipe them off, face the earth like he did the caliphate. He wants to do the right thing. I hope Maxwell steps up and lets us do it because that's the only way he's going to get done, in my opinion. Are you guys utilizing companies? Are you familiar with Epirus? No, I'm not. Epirus is that anti-dron? I can tell you that numerous drone operators have contacted me about helping on the border and I send them over to CBP custom border operations

I don't do with contracts but I send them over to the right people I know they talked a lot of people they got some great technology down there now again as we get more budget from Congress we can do more of that but there's a lot of great companies out there

that has great technology I've said it from day one we could not do what we do as a whole the government without smart contract personnel It's like our detention operations. Our contract companies do it better than we've ever done it.

They do it cheaper, they do it better. Those ice trucks, my most expensive beds were the ones that we owned. The government knows there's anything very cheap. There's a lot of smart companies out there that will come into the table. Of course, you know, the left would say, well, they're prisoners for hire, prisoners for profit. There isn't a company out there that doesn't work for the government for a profit. I mean, you know, if that's the case, and shut down McDonnell-Douglas, you know,

Every company makes a profit dealing with the United States, but they provide a service we need. But I can tell you, there's a lot of high-tech companies. It seems like technology improves every other month. Great drone technology, great tunnel technology. Helping us find people that don't want to be found. Great AI-generated stuff. There's a lot of stuff out there that a lot of companies are coming to the table and wanting to help.

And we welcome all of it. Yeah, I mean, like just Epirus, for example. I mean, it's a directed EMP pulse that takes 100 drones out at once if cartel were to utilize that. And so I was just wondering if you're putting, if you're implementing that technology along the border, unmanned vehicles, the heperous energy wave weapon to take out drones, all that kind of stuff. How is DOD integrating with Border Patrol on the border? It's been fantastic. They're doing a lot of intelligence backing for us.

They do a lot of things that doesn't require an immigration authority, a badge and gun. We've done 287Gio National Guard on the Interior. My goal was, and the White House goal is, we need as many Title VIII

Immigration enforcement officers with a badge and gun. Many of them on the street are on the line as possible. We don't want them sitting there doing intelligence. We don't sit there, you know, building infrastructure or transportation, put the batch and guns where they're needed the most and bring other people into the other. I went down in Alpac, so watch DOD down there in action. They're doing, they're doing a lot of

the intelligence. They got great capability to tell them where the groups are crossing, where they're coming through, and Warwick respond immediately to them. They do a lot of, you know, the radar technology, their camera technology. They specifically call out to ICE, okay? You got a group coming here or there. It just saves our resources. Because rather than our guy operating the sensor or operating the camera, got DOD doing that, and that's just more agents on the street to respond quicker.

So they've been a great force multiplier. Of course, the DOD airplanes, the removal flights have been fantastic. You know, DOD stepping up with facilities, Gitmo and things like that. DoD has been a game-changing. And I went to El Paso with Pete HECSeth, and he's all in. I mean, like I said, he told me, he told me that, you know, it's great that DOD is protecting our border now. Because they protect everybody else's border for decades. It's a game change.

When I go on the streets with ice and I go to raids, I like to get out there and I miss it. So I go out there to raids once a while. And rather than just seeing a jack says ice, I see a jacks, ATF, D-E-A, F-I-I, you know, State Department. Everybody's working together. And President Trump this time came back stronger and harder. And I think that's why we had the greatest success right now because he brought the all of government. Because again, I think the overarching principle here, you can't have strong national security

if you don't have strong border security. We didn't know what's coming in, who's coming in, why it's coming in, where it's coming in. So I think President Trump recognizes that. So he put the all of government on there. And I say today we've got the most secure board history of this nation. because of his all-the-box thinking on this. I think other administration are going to be envious of the success that President Trump's had. Has there been any kinetic pushback from cartels?

Is there any combat going on down at the border? There's combat going on in the interior of Mexico because now they're fighting each other for control of plazas because they're losing money. So they want a bigger control? There's been a battle going on in our government. down there for a while. You don't hear you read a lot about. I know people that have that intelligence. My fear, as I mentioned before, my fear is that violence overlaps the border. I actually say a prayer every night from the man that wind of the board turned ice to go home

safe every day because I feel like it's a matter of time. I'm hoping wrong. But especially in sanctuary cities, whether they're not. knocking on the door of a bad guy, when he asked access to who knows what, when he could have got him in a county jail, I hope I'm wrong. But the odds of us doing this for four years with nobody being harmed concerns me.

Our officers are great risk, because we are prioritizing the worst to worst. And so many criminals came in under Biden. So many public safety threats, national security threats. I mean, our agents are being doxed. Pictures and home addresses being put out there. Man, you know? I mean, I get docks every day.

I mean, I'm used to, but I had a thousand protesters on my home the other day. Thousand. You're not going to waste our time. You can excise your First Amendment rights all you want, but Tom Holmes is going to keep doing what he's doing. I'm not going anywhere. But the agents,

I'm concerned about the agents and the media doesn't help. When they, you know, when they, they call them thugs and they're violating people's rights and they're violating civil rights. They're violating due process. A bunch of bullshit. These men and women are very well trained.

And as one stepped on line, what's why? Yeah. You got bad dentists. You got bad doctor. You got bad lawyers. And I'm sure we have some bad officers here and there, but 99% of these men and women, you know, strap a gun to hip every day.

They put a Kevlar vest on, and they don't make a lot of money. And they get vilified, just like the horse patrol did. They don't deserve that. And, you know, but they got a president now, rather than instead of the White House polling them, vilifying them for something that didn't do. You got a president that has her six. How was it working with the Mexican government? Are they on board? Are they helping at all?

Maxwell stepped up. I mean, they've put military on their border. They've agreed to remain in Mexico and stage progress. We got a tough president. He's not going to take no for an answer. You know, it's against the law of Mexico to traffic in women and children. They did a prosecutor. It's against law of Mexico to transit that country

from another country, a lot of transit visa. But they allowed it. So President Trump And Joe Biden could have done this Strong President would do it Strong President came in He was he got to take no for an answer You know, during Trump 45

I remember, you know After Operation Maddo I wrested all these El Salvador and MS-13 gang members On the way home on Air Force 1 The President asked me how soon we can get him out I told me it's a long drawn-out process Because El Salvador pushed his back And return to criminals

I think it was two, three days later I got a call How many planes can we fill up? President Carlisle al-Salvois, you know, you're going to take them back. You know, the third safe country agreements, they didn't want to sign those bills. The President held them accountable. Mexico, Trump, 45, you know, he said, you don't tariff them. You know, President Trump puts America first.

So, Mexico's helping. I don't know how much it is. They want to help. I don't have to help because you've got a strong president in the Whitehouse. I mean, I don't get, you know, that's Michael Rubio, the president has with discussions, the vice president. I can just tell you that Mexico has a lot of resources on the border now. And there's some intelligence that's taking on some of the fentanyl.

But we'll see. What would you like to see DOD do? Would you like to see SOCOMJOC units go into Mexico and rid the cartel? I won't get ahead with a president on that. but I don't think the cartels are going to go away without U.S. involvement. President Trump did it. ISIS.

We show, we're really good at the way game. I think when it comes to criminal cartels, we got to play the way game. Stop the poison before it gets here. Then, of course, in this side of the border, we got to address the drive, the need for drugs like that. We got to address that or customers. But do I think the criminal cartels are going to go,

away without our involvement? Absolutely not. I don't know. Mexico has failed in decades to do it. And like I say, a lot of Mexico's corrupt. They run Mexico. I mean, they're infiltrated in America. Much of the Mexican military's corrupt. Much of the Mexican law enforcement's corrupt. Much of the Mexican government's corrupt.

And many of them don't want to be corrupt. Well, you take the payoff and do what we tell you to. We'll kill you and your family, and they will. So, you know, I think if we're over to wipe the cartels off the face, Mexico will be such a better country. They'd be a safer country. A self-ruling country where cartels don't own the military and law enforcement and some government officials. I think in the long run, Mexico will be such a better country.

They didn't have the cartels operating there. So I think President Trump did exactly the right thing, designated terrorists. I think he's doing the right thing, offered Mexico his assistance and taking them out. Do you think we'll see any action in the next three-and-half years? I think the President Trump's going to do what he can to protect American people. How was it working with Christy Knoem? Christy Knoem's come to the table. I mean, she's done more, she's out there an awful lot.

She's done more enforcement actions than myorkers did in four years. So she's out there. I saw her out there the other day taking on, Governor Pritzker, which she had been taken care of. But she's out there working. I saw her doing ride-alongs with ice and Border Patrol and Coast Guard. So she's out there with the men and women on the front line, which I think's great.

I think shows men and women that she's supporting them. Of course, now, she's being vilified, right? So she's being attacked. I watched her hearing the other day. I thought she did great. They want to attack anything to do with immigration enforcement, anything to do with deportations. They're going to continue to attack and attack and attack.

But, again, we all expected that. The media is saying that you're deporting U.S. Is there any truth to that? No. It's illegal to report your citizens. We simply allow illegal alien parents to be deported to take, if they want to take their child with them, who may have been born here, that's their decision. They can leave them here and take them with them.

I mean, that's parenting one-on-one. And like I said, you know, if we didn't know the mother take her child with her, then they'd be saying, Trump administration is separating families again. We're trying to keep families together. I said it during the interview before the election. I was asked that question. How do you do a mass deportation operation or separating families?

This is deport the family together. If you're in this country illegally and you know you're in the country legally and you choose to have a child here who's going to be a U.S. citizen based on that, you put yourself in that position. Not Tom Holman, not President Trump, not the Trump administration,

you made that decision to have a child while you're here knowing you're in the country illegally and you're most likely will be deported. That's on you. So when that parent gets ordered deported, they have a choice to make. They made a choice about having a child here

and I didn't even make a choice. Take a child with you as a parent or leave them here with the other parent or leave them here with the relative. That is your call. So it's parenting one-on-one. Let the parent make the decision. But for those to vilify us,

no, they put themselves in that position. Now they've got to deal with it. Where did they even come up with this shit? Are they just making stories up in that air? Well, they say because you're a citizen children, their parents, we deported children. Absolutely not reported the children. And others say, well, the child wasn't given due process.

What do you mean due process? They're an infant. The mother says my infant goes with me. Who's going to disagree with that? She's the mother. So, you know, like I say, the last minute, tracing, want to attack zero tolerance, separating families.

This time we're trying to keep families together. We can't do that either. I mean, we're doing the right thing. Parenting one-on-one. I mean, again, if we send a message, you can enter the country legally, you can order to remove, don't leave, hide out for a few years, have you a citizen child,

and guess what, now you're immune. That court order doesn't mean anything. You're immune from our laws. If that's the message, we're going to send a whole world, you're never going to solve the problem. We're going to keep coming to this country. You have a U.S. citizen child, and you're good to go. That's the message we can't say.

Having U.S. citizen child does not make you immune from our laws. Where do you go from here? I mean, you've secured it to 96. We've got some more work to do on the border. And, you know, it's still a crisis until we, you know, could, there are some Godaways we're concerned about? Who are they? Are they people from a terrorist-related country?

We don't know. So we've got drill some of things. Drill down some of the things. Northern border needs more work, maritime needs more work. But right now, we've got the most secure border in the history of nation right now.

So we've got some more work to do. We've got to play the way game more. We need to address the cartels outside this country who traffic people from all the world. We got to shut them down. So we've got to play the way game. Interior enforcement, we've got a lot of work to do.

You know, personally, I think there's over 20 million illegal aliens to this country. They keep saying 12 million. We've been using 12 million for two decades. I mean, Biden administration alone, we know they release at least 6 to 7 million released. So, you know, I think there's at least 20. We got a lot of work to do here. Again, we're going to concentrate on the worst first.

But just because, I make this clear, just because we're concentrating on the words first, doesn't mean we ignore everybody else. You know, I may prioritize my family life from my work life. I don't forget about my work life. If you're in the country legally, you've got a problem. You're not off the table. But we're going to do this wise. We're going to do it smart way.

One's the public safety threats and national security threats. They're the biggest danger at a community. So, of course, you have to go first. So we've got more interior enforcement work to do. We need to shut down sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities should be illegal. And I think we've got the right people in place now with this administration and Pam Bonding and others.

They will take sanctuary cities to task, take them to court. We got to shut down progressive judges who simply are ignoring the law and trying to stop us know what we're doing. I think we'll win these cases when they get to higher courts, but it's just it's going to take a long time. Well, we see a completion to the wall that was. We're already rebuilding the wall. Again, the more money we have, the more wall we can do. So again, we need Congress to fund us. The more money we have, the more we can do. Where are the strategic locations where you would start with the wall? The board draws a strategic plan. based on the crossings, based on where they think where traffic has historically come and where they're seeing Dow, what the fuel coming across.

That plan changes all the time based on intelligence and based on what they're finding out down south. So that changes all the time. But Borchor does that point, they just don't put a wall up here because it's cheaper. They don't put a wall up here because someone wants a wall there. Borato actually has a strategic plan built on intelligence and crossing. information from the smoking cartels about where their activities are switching to, then they'll place a wall where it makes them all sense. I don't want to give specifics because that's specific you'll change next month.

Gotcha. Well, there's places where the wall can't be built, right? Like in the national parks, but we need more technology there because you can't build a wall like this. There are some areas where there's natural cliffs. That's where you put, you know, anti-drone technology and more technology. What the Biden administration did when they stopped building the wall, even some of the wall that was built, they wouldn't even finish the technology inside that wall, smart technology, that allowed agents to communicate, allows agents to run quick record checks.

You approach that wall, you dig under the wall, you climb the wall, well, no. There's a lot of technology in that wall. They stopped the technology in that wall. There's places on the border agents can't talk to one another. So not only we got to finish technology in some of the existing wall, but we build a more smart wall. Smart walls, it's a wall system. It's just not a wall.

A lot of technology in that wall. You got access to that wall. Pathways. The agency can respond quickly. So there's a lot to it, but we're already starting to rebuild it. We're also putting, I think, right, we're already doing 75 miles of

buoy barriers in the river, which are very effective. What are those? There are buoys that float in the middle of the real ground. and almost impossible to get over. Underneath it, there's a fencing underneath. It goes all the way to the soil.

It's their game changer. On Trump 45, we looked at that technology. We liked it. Of course, then the election happened, never happened. But now, I think they're putting 75 miles of it and more. And that's right on the water. So people will stop. They see the barrier.

Most will not attempt to cross, which means less drowned. A lot of people drown that river every year. So when they see that barrier, it saves lives unless people want to take that barrier on. I mean, a lot of illegal aliens die in that river. People think that river doesn't have a current, you're wrong. Hundreds of people die in that river every year.

Not now for the more secure. Well, Trump administration, now when you see people drown, they find dead bodies all the time. People just die across the river. A lot of people can't swim. What is the, it's just a personal question, Bortac. I've heard a lot about it, can't get anybody to talk about it,

seems like they're extremely well-trained, almost like a J-Soc unit. What is the mission of Bortak? They're kind of Bortchal SWAT team. They're badass. That's what I hear. These guys are good. I mean, I was never in Bortech when I was in Bortchol. I wouldn't get enough.

These guys are well-trained. great shots, great with a firearm. Now they're into repelling and jumping on an airplane with that parachute. And these guys have really increased their training. They're incredible. Is it within the US border they operate, or do they go into Mexico too?

They don't operate within Mexico, where they do operate on the border in the interior. In my home state, New York, a couple of prisoners escaped from Danamoire State Prison. They looked for him for a long time. Couldn't find him. They brought Bortac in there. They found the first guy.

Well, they actually shot and killed the one, the first one. The second one was later called. He had a prisoner escape in the jail. What, two years ago? Couldn't find it, Borchow. Bortak's good. They're well-trained, and it all started back in my day. I was Bortchley in Campo.

Well, I've worked down the San Diego area. Tijuana area, they had what they called the border bandit squad, because bandits would work the border, and they'd rip people off heading to the United States, take all the money, take their goods, rape women. So you had border bandits that are operating. So we had a border bandit patrol, which was Border Patrol, special operations,

along with local sheriffs, took a lot of those border bandits out. There's a lot of armed conflicts, a lot of shootings. But Bortak, I would call it the SWAT team of the board of Joe. And they're very, very well trained. Well, Tom, we're wrapping up the interview here. Last question.

Second and last question. I just want to know, is there anything we didn't cover that you want the American people to know? I want the American people to know that, you know, the Trump administration, unlike what the media is pushing, is not inhumane. Everybody in this group is trying to save lives. As I said earlier, secure border saves lives.

We're looking with 300,000 children that Biden administration released in the country to sponsor them weren't property vetted. Everybody in this program right now knows what it's like to see children forced sex trafficking or forced labor. I've seen a lot of tragedy in my life, and I'm simply trying to prevent

as much of that tragedy as possible to secure border saves lives. I get called a lot of names I don't care. I don't give a shit what people think about me. I don't. Long as my family,

my Lord and Savior think I'm doing the right thing, and I'm good. The hate doesn't mean anything. The protesters, I love them. That means my message is getting out. That means you're over the target. We're saving lives every day.

Secure border saves lives. Illegal migration is not a victim's crime. People, you see, they go alien. You say, okay, we're here making a better life for himself and his family. He's working maybe in a restaurant or something. but you don't understand the whole ugly underbelly what happens with these criminal cartels,

what happens on that border. Illegal immigration is not a victimist crime. The system needs to be fixed, but until then, we can't allow people in this country unvetted. We can't allow the border to be a crime zone for 2,000 months. You just can't allow that.

A lot of bad things happen on the border, a lot of bad things come across that border. And the Trump administration, I'm proud to say, again, I'll say a thousand times a day, the most secure border in the history of the nation today, because of leadership, President Trump, the men and women wearing that uniform. Man, that's good to hear. So I've read in all these stories about border to ice agents, you know, for your viewers. If you see a border patrol agent, don't thank you.

Because they're getting vilified every day by the media. Ice agents, they're getting vilified. Death threats are outrageous. Just give me a thank you. Because they really are. 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock this morning, you're going to be laying in bed, I'm going to be laying in bed, hopefully we'll be sleeping.

Next to our loved one. At the same time, you've got a boorbitral agent standing on a dirt trail in the middle of nowhere because the suncher went out. So if something's coming north on that dirt trail, they don't know. Is it an illegal alien look for a better life?

Or is a heavily armed drug smuggler? They don't know if they're going to take it on. I know because I've done it. I've still in that dirt trials, border trail, and shit in your pants, wondering what's common. But they're going to stay in there and take it on. They're doing this every night while we sleep, keeping this country safe.

Men win ice, they're getting vilified every day in the media. Every mile away, I read all these stories about ice age, how terrible they are. People need to remember the ice agents and boardchal agents, their mothers and fathers, They don't hang their heart on a hook. They go to work. They've seen a lot of bad things happen

that they take home to them every day. They take sicknesses home to their families. Whether there's TB, they get TB screenings all the time. They take sickness. These men in the board patrol, they actually bring toys from their families to bring them to children to play with while they're in the facilities. They really do care.

I really do have a great heart. Under the last four years on Biden administration, the record amount of border treaties that committed suicide was highest ever. At over 40, I believe. Now, I don't know, whatever internal struggles they were having, giving CPR to babies, talking little girl's been raped, finding dead bodies floating down the river, seeing how these criminal cartels treated these people, certainly weighed on them. to the point they took their own lives. These men and women are heroes, and I hope the American people understands your heroes,

recognize them as heroes, and thank them. That's all I asked for. I mean, I'll retire again, hopefully for the last time, but I'll always have the sixth of these men and women, because I was one of them, I know what it takes, through the nation's finest. Our military and our first responders

are America's, Minus 1%. I hope people recognize that. Two Americans. It's great closing statement. Thank you. Last question. We had three people you'd like to see on the show.

Who would it be? President Trump? You want him? You bet. I think President Trump, I think he's, again, people have their opinions. A guy that does what I do, greatest president in my lifetime.

Because it's proven success on the board. John Roberts. Get him out of the show and figure him out. All right. Third, he's going to say cash. We already had him. Stephen Miller.

We'll reach out. Steve Miller has a great mind. He's just brilliant. And I just with immigration, trade, I mean, just a smart guy. I think he'd have an interesting conversation. I would love that. Maybe you can help me breach him.

Perfect. I'll see him in the morning. All right. Well, Tom, I just want to say it was an honored interview. Pete Higgseth, number four. Pete Hegseth? I'll work on him. He's been on before.

He has? So was President Trump. But I'll do it again. When was President Trump on? I think it was August. No, you get to get him now. All right. Look at what he's doing.

Putting in a word for me. Look what he's. you're doing right now now you need to talk to them all right it's changed in the world we'll do what we can right then all right well thank you so much again and um man you're just you're crushing it and appreciate you're to see it