Shawn Ryan Show - #200 Tom Homan - The White House Border Czar

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Tom Homan is the White House Executive Associate Director of Enforcement and Removal Operations (AKA The Border Czar) under President Donald Trump’s second administration, appointed in November 2024 to oversee border security and interior enforcement operations. A career law enforcement officer, Homan served as Acting Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) from 2017 to 2018, where he implemented stringent immigration policies. With over 4 decades of experience, including roles as a police officer and Border Patrol agent, Homan is a leading advocate for enforcing immigration laws, focusing on deporting individuals deemed public safety or national security threats. Homan’s initiatives include increasing ICE detentions and prosecuting those who impede federal immigration enforcement. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: ⁠https://www.roka.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.americanfinancing.net/srs⁠ NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Give online therapy a try at ⁠betterhelp.com/srs⁠ and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://www.bubsnaturals.com/shawn⁠ ⁠https://www.fastgrowingtrees.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://www.drinkhoist.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.hometitlelock.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.moinkbox.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.preparewithshawn.com⁠ ⁠htps://www.paladinpower.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.ziprecruiter.com/srs Tom Homan Links: Website - https://www.ice.gov X - https://x.com/Tom_Homan Book by Tom Homan - As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases (paid links): Defend the Border and Save Lives: Solving Our Most Important Humanitarian and Security Crisis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tom Homan, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for coming. We've been trying to get this done since, man, I feel like it's been like six months we've been playing phone tag and trying to get you in here. So I just, I really appreciate you taking the time and I've been looking forward to this interview for a very long time. And then I, and then I thought it, I just thought it would never happen as, as busy as you are. taking the time and I've been looking forward to this interview for a very long time.

And then I thought it, I just thought it would never happen as busy as you are. So I'm busy, but I'm glad I'm here. I think this is a, you got a huge bandwidth and American people need to know what's happening in this country right now. Thank you. Thank you. But so I'd like to do a life story on you on the front half of the interview and kind of talk about your journey into becoming the border czar and some of the events that you

faced leading up to that. And then on the back half of the interview, I'd like to do all current events stuff, everything that's going on at the border, what it was like before, what it's like now. And then some of the, some of the measures that you guys are implementing down there and maybe up there too, um, to, to keep us safe here at home and, uh, and take care of the issues at hand, which seem to be major issues.

So looking forward to it, but, but, uh, everybody starts off with an introduction here. So Tom Holman, Borders are under President Trump's second administration, appointed to oversee the nation's border security and interior enforcement operations. A law enforcement veteran with over four decades of experience, starting as a border patrol agent and rising to become one of the most influential officials in US immigration policy. Former acting director of US immigration and customs enforcement, ICE, serving from January 2017 to June 2018, where you shaped some of the most talked about immigration policies of the Trump era.

where you shaped some of the most talked about immigration policies of the Trump era. Your Man of the Year from, congratulations on that, from the National Police Defense Foundation and Border Hero Award from America's Voice. I think those both came out last week. Yeah, last week. Congratulations. Congratulations. And yeah, you know, I waited to tell everybody that you were coming on just because of, you know, who you are and all the security and stuff. And it was funny when I finally broke the news last week, for whatever reason, everybody that works for me

started giving me their birth certificates and passports. So, I don't know what's going on, but they're pretty tuned in. So, but yeah, so a couple other things real quick. Everybody gets a gift. I got you two gifts. The famous gummies. Vigilance Elite gummy bears made here in the USA, legal in all 50 states. It's just candy until RFK outlaws it. So, but, uh, and then another thing, you're welcome. Found out you're a Catholic this morning. And, uh, so I want to give you one of those. One of my really good friends, Dom Razo, sells these rosaries.

And my journey to faith is relatively new. I grew up Catholic. And I'm still- Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah. You know, and I just, I think the Catholic religion just, there's one thing they get right for sure.

It's protection. And with what you're facing right now, I'm sure you could use a little extra protection. So I carry one of those every single day. Carry one of these, carry one of these. What is that? St. Michael's. Love that. Love that.

But, well, Tom? And the Virgin Mary on the backside. Nice. Carry both, I'm covered the back side. Nice. Carry both, I'm covered both sides. Nice, nice. Where'd you grow up? Small town called West Carthage, New York.

Population about 2,500. What were you into growing up? Pardon me? What were you into growing up? Strong Catholic family. I had mom, dad, seven kids. We grew up in farm country. There's two things you do in that little town, either work on a farm or you work at Fort Drum, an army base up by there, or you're a logger cutting down trees.

So it's a small community, very patriotic community. I talk about that a lot. I mean, walking through this village I grew up in, or your logger cutting down trees. So it's a small community, very patriotic community. I talk about that a lot. I mean, walking through this village I grew up in, just about everybody had American flag on their front porch. It's like, I talk about my books, like being in Mayberry, everybody knew everybody, right? My mom and dad, very strong Catholics.

And I think every mother in that village spanked me at one time or another. That's back in the day. The village made who you were. It takes a village to grow a kid. I give a lot of credit to the village I grew up in. And I'm serious. I think every mother in that village gave me a spanking one time or another, but that was okay back then. They just call your mom and say, I had to give Tom a spanking. But very strict family. My dad was a judge, so strict upbringing. But it was a very patriotic little town. We're only about six miles outside of Fort Drum. So I grew up in an era where police were highly respected and people loved their country.

I mean, literally American flags everywhere. It was a great childhood. It spooks me sometimes. I actually had such a great childhood. I'm afraid that I could not give my children the same childhood I had. Where you wake up Saturday morning, ride your bike around the village, gathering up buddies to have a baseball game, and you play baseball all day. But the mill whistle goes off at noon, you knew you had to go home at lunch.

Go back, play ball. Then at five o'clock, the mill whistle goes off again. It means you got to go home and have dinner. But it was a great childhood. Yeah. You don't hear too much of that anymore these days, you know, that's that's very similar to where I grew up but Do you have any brothers and sisters? Yeah, I guess there's five there's seven of us seven of you guys I got one brother and five sisters damn very strong. Okay, the thing is my Well, I'm proud about my family is just about everybody wanting to put in

some sort of public service, right? My brother, a career fireman, just retired a couple years ago. All my sisters, but one, were a nurse. So they all felt a duty to go back and serve the communities in one way or the other. My dad, he ended up as a judge, but he was a cop before then. My grandfather was a cop, so I always knew I was going to be some sort of cop. That's what I wanted forever. So I've lived my dream.

I was fishing with my brother last year and and he looked at me, made a comment, he says, you ever think about the ride you had? This before Trump won the election, I was coming back, said, what do you mean? He goes, you went from West Carthage to the West Wing. That's how I ride, and it was. It shows what a great country this is. Yeah, Yeah.

How early did you know you wanted to get into law enforcement? It's kindergarten, first grade. Kindergarten? I always knew. In this small town, I grew up in, we had a police department. And next to the West Car, it's just called Carthage. Bigger town, police department. And my dad, I remember my dad coming home,

wore the uniform, and I knew he was out there protecting people. Then when he came to judge, when I was still a child, middle of the night, state troopers knocking at the door, bringing somebody in to get arranged in the middle of the night, I was surrounded by cops all the time. So I knew I was gonna to be a police officer. And I did become a police officer straight out of college before I joined the board of

patrol, but I knew, I had no doubt in my mind, there's one thing I wanted to do, and that's be a law enforcement officer. Why did you, where did you become a police officer? West Carthage. West Carthage, you stayed at home. Just like my dad and grandfather, we served the local community. Again, the local community, I grew up, they raised me, right? Matter of fact, when I became the ICE director and president of Trump, I remember I was in

the office the first day, my public affairs officer, Barbara Gonzalez walks in, first day on the job, she said, okay, you got okay got ABC NBC you got Fox News you got Washington Washington Post got New York Times she's trying to schedule all these first day interviews I looked at her says Watertown Daily Times and WWNY TV she looked at me says what are these it's a hometown my hometown newspaper, hometown television station. She looked at me and she goes, Mr. Holm, with all due respect, you got nationally syndicated. I said, I don't care. My hometown gets first. They raised me. I owe them. They get the first interview. So the next day we got on the plane, flew to Watertown, which is the biggest town where

I grew up. I did Watertown Daily Times. I did WWNY TV. Oh man, that is cool. That is awesome. I'll bet they appreciated that. They did, but I really love my hometown where I grew up. Matter of fact, I recently bought a lake house up there.

I'm gonna retire there someday. I was born there. lake house up there. I'm gonna retire there someday. I was born there, I was raised there, went to college there, was a police officer there. I'm gonna die there someday. Man, that is really cool. That is really cool. What got you to switch from local law enforcement and Carthage to border patrol? I was with a couple of police officers fishing up on the St. Lawrence River, the river that divides Canada and the United States. Great fishing. Alexander Bay fishing. Now I saw border patrol around, didn't quite know what they did, but while we're fishing,

we come in the boat, we're at the dock having a few beers. The board trail boat come pulling in. We just start talking. Pretty soon he knew we were all cops and of course he's wearing a uniform, he's board trailing. We started talking about our job, his job. And his job sounded really interesting. And he looked at me and he says,

we're giving the test in four weeks. Watertown Post Office, y'all go on there and take it. So I did. Six months later I get a phone call, go for interview. So my dream was, there's a board patrol station down on Wellesley Island right in the St. Lawrence River in the shipping channel. Beautiful place.

Well, if I get into the board patrol, I can come back up here and work at Wellesley Island and be a board patrol agent right where I grew up. So I got into the board patrol. But after a few years on the southwest border, there's so much action. You know, you eat it up. And I knew the northern border was pretty much vacation paradise. I just didn't, I never applied to go back up north because it was just, there was a lot of action on the southern border, saw a lot of terrible things, but also was very

rewarding. Saved a lot of lives. So I decided to stay on the southern border until I became special agent. What it what is what year is this? 1984 1984 this one I joined the board patrol Wow Lots of action going on there all the way back then. Oh, yeah, I mean same day of sector 1500 night just come to say never sector. They used to gather up on the soccer fields just east of Tijuana. Hundreds and hundreds would gather. Then when the sun

went down, they just ran north. I mean, it's actually like a movie. You just grab what you could. I was in Campo, a smaller station, but as a GS5 board relation, I tried to get all the overtime I could get. So I'd go down and work the overtime on the weekends or whatever days I had off to work the soccer field or work the checkpoints. But illegal grace was, there's very few Border Patrol agents. So you're overwhelmed every night down there. Damn. How long did you do that?

Four years. Then became a Special agent, criminal investigator. What is the difference between a border patrol agent and a special agent? It's like a police department. You get your uniformed division on patrol. The special agent is more the investigator. So you investigate conspiracies.

You investigate alien smuggling and drug smuggling and trafficking, illicit trafficking of people and goods. So I left the uniform division. The uniform division became a criminal investigator, a special agent. So I went from Campbell, California. It was a small station. When I got to Campbell as a board relation, I think I was like number 34. Now it's got 300 people there. So I went from there and I became a special agent in Phoenix, Arizona in 1988. What kind of stuff were you investigating? Mostly immigration related.

I spent most of my time in the Annalee Smuggling Unit. So we're investigating criminal cartels who smuggle people and smuggle drugs. So I spent most of my career doing that. But you do immigration fraud, people selling fraudulent green cards and birth certificates and worksite enforcement. Worksite enforcement came around 1986, 87, did a lot of worksite enforcement. You went to, you know, companies, large factories and arrested illegal aliens. But I spent most of my time in Phoenix in the anti-smuggling unit. So we're mostly working, you know, the smuggling group is coming from Mexico up to the United States.

Mexico and South America. Damn. What are, you stayed there for quite a while, correct? I stayed in Phoenix for 10 years. I climbed the ladder and I was an agent, became a supervisory special agent, then deputy ADDI, Assistant District Director for Investigations. Then from there I went to San Antonio

and became the head of that office, the ADDI, which equals a SAC, Special Agent Charge. They had different names back then. But yeah, I was actually the first ICE director who actually came up through the ranks. I started at the bottom run and got to the top. I didn't miss one run.

So out of all my achievements, that's my most proudest achievement. I became an ice director through the ranks from the bottom to the top. And what I like about that is the 20,000 men and women that work for me. I never asked them to do anything that I do myself because I was one of them. So I'm very proud of that. Well I know I mean just you know I got friends everywhere and I can just you you know, cause of my background and your people have a tremendous amount of respect for you. And that's just really good to see.

You don't see that amount of respect very often within, especially within government. And so I just wanna applaud you for that. I mean, Well, look, I was one of them and I think when my life's lessons my dad taught me is never forget where he came from so when I was ice director I don't care if you're GS5

you're an SES I've been on a cafeteria and eat with whoever great didn't mean anything and I never forgot where I came from and actually when I retired the first time my message to the troops and eat with whoever. Gray didn't mean anything and I never forgot where I came from. And actually when I retired the first time, my message to the troops where I left was I may be retiring from this position, but I'm always going to have your six. Because of men and women in the board patrol, men and women for ICE, what great American patriots they are. So, and I'm back again. And again, don't forget where I come from.

I don't let anybody carry my bag. I show up at the airport, everybody wants to be written off. The directors are, or the board is ours. I make sure we take care of them. I carry my own bag. I'm happy staying at Hampton Inn. I fly coach. I'm just a small town kid from Carthage, New York.

So, uh So never forget where you came from. It's probably the biggest life lesson I've ever learned from my dad. My dad, who was a war hero himself, respected that man more than anybody in the world. Your dad was a war hero? World War II, 11th Airborne. Wow. Wow. True story. So, he was in a couple of bronze tires, purple hearts, too. And never knew it. Never knew it till he got really sick. He had to go to a sister living. He found all these medals.

He didn't ever want to talk about them. So I built it. He didn't never want to talk about so ability got him put in the shadow box and When he was doing as a will you know all these kids. Hey, what are you on? We are nice one one thing I want the shadow box Because you never talked about it That's why I want I Got it saying in my office right now and one day was saying in my office. I got it. It's hanging in my office right now. And one day it was hanging in my office and I was the ice director and John Kelly, who

was the secretary of Homeland Security, came in that day, right away keyed on that shadow box and goes, they're not yours. I noticed when I walked up to him, he goes, I said, they're my dad's. My dad never displayed them. My dad never talked about it. But I know they're pretty impressive to get a Bronze Star in World War II. He says, yes, it was. He goes, you know what these all mean? I said, no. I never... So there's a picture his photographer was with and they took a

picture of John Kelly walking through each of these medals. I remember the one that's a rifle with a leaf around it. He goes, you know what that means? It means that dad was in gunfire. Didn't hear it from a distance with a leaf around it. He goes, no, that means? He said, Dad was in gunfire. Didn't hear it from a distance. He was involved. She walked me through all these things. And he says, do you know how he earned it? I said, no.

You still don't know? No, I don't. Wow. I read a few things. And when he came home from the war, there was a parade for him. So they talked about how he was wounded in New Guinea. The second time he got wounded, it was bad enough they sent him home. But John Kelly offered me, he said, look, I'll find out for you.

If you'll give me your permission, I can grab his records. Well, then he came back and said they were destroyed in a fire in Kansas, Kansas City or something. All his records were destroyed. So he couldn't get his hands on them. So my dad never talked about it. Wow. Different generation, man.

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People always ask me, I get this question a lot, why are you always angry? Why are you always mad? Not so much now, but the last four years, right? Because I wake up every day pissed off under the Biden administration because we handed that administration the most secure border in my lifetime. I've been doing this in 1984. And they unsecured it on purpose. And I knew when they unsecured it, more people would die. More women, children would be sexually assaulted by the cartels. Not only would more illegal aliens die, but more Americans were going to die from drugs coming across the open border. I just woke up every day, can't believe they unsecured the border on purpose for four years, I'm pissed off. And there was lots of videos of me yelling

at members of Congress, you know, I was working for Fox News, you know, for the last few years. I lose my temper on Fox News sometimes because of what I've seen through my career. The thing that probably, when I first joined the Boer patrol, I wasn't in the Boer patrol a month. And I'm on patrol near Takati on a back row, on a forward drive, sign cutting. And I see this guy walking down this dirt road. It was an illegal alien drunk. He just happened to get, he was living in Takati and somehow got across the line just hanging out. And he's carrying something. I said, what the hell he carrying it? Was it a baseball bat? What is it? So I pulled him up. He was carrying a human leg.

He was carrying a human leg? A human leg that he found. It was just a bone that he found on his journey wherever. So of course, no, I'm bore virtualizing, so I'll take him to the custody. But I remember he was very intoxicated. And probably the local sheriff and they ran the investigation. But I was in a month. Coming from upstate New York, all of a sudden to get put on the southern border and just see some of the things you saw, it was like it was eye opening. It wasn't rare to find a dead body of an illegal alien that was making the journey and died making that journey because the smugglers don't care.

If you get sick, they're not calling 911 because that alien means nothing to them now. He's not going to get paid to get them to the final destination. They just leave them there to die. I can't tell you how many aliens we find near Death's Door making that journey and we actually were able to get them helping to save them but the thing that really really affected me was two things number one talking to a little girl about nine years old that was part of the smoking group who was raped multiple times by members of the criminal cartel. Nine years old? Yeah. And let me tell you something, as tough as a guy you want to be, when you sit down, you get on your knees, you talk to this little girl and everything innocent, pure,

has been ripped from her. Well, you can tell that she has no faith in humanity. I mean, this little girl's world was destroyed. She's never gonna be the same. I don't care how much counseling she gets, right? And I'm her father. And you think, you know, how could someone do that to such an innocent little girl? And it really changes who you are.

I mean, it's just like, you know, I can't believe there's a human being out there that would do that to a little girl. The members of cartels are animals. They don't care about these people. These people are a commodity. And there's been several instances where, you know, women and children that I've been involved with through an investigation, who are sexist ultimately, cartels, you know, demanded as part of crossing them, either across the desert or over the river, or just

take it, just rape them for the hell of it. I mean, I've seen rape trees, you know, where these smugglers would just hang panties up in a tree as a trophy. And well, the nine-year-old girl shook me, because then you realize just how inhumane these people are. The thing that probably shaped me the most though, back in I think it was 2003, I was in Dallas, Texas giving a speech to the International Association of Chiefs of Police. We just became ICE less than a year earlier. They took customs and immigration made ICE.

So I was there to explain this new agency and how we can work together and collaborate. I remember getting an emergency phone call from Washington, D.C. John Morton, who was the director at the time, but it was actually his deputy, it was a adultery, he called me and says, hey, you're in Dallas, you need to get down to Victoria, Texas right away. There was a tragedy down there and we went to go down there and take over the investigation because they knew, at the time I was assigned headquarters they knew I spent most of my career as I said in amy smuggling and trafficking cases so I so

they put me down there in an air marine plane and I landed down at the crime scene I got there the sheriff and I think it was a Texas Ranger walking through the crime scene okay okay it's said, okay, it's yours. So I remember walking up to the, there's a tractor trailer. There was 19 people, baked to death in back that tractor trailer. 19 people? Baked to death, died. Baked?

Baked. He just, they're in a steel box, tractor trailer, steel box, black, nowhere, in the middle of summer. And so I get up to the crime scene, I walk up to the crime scene, right away there's the, just the trailer's there, the truck's gone, he unhooked it and he left, the driver. So I walk up to the crime scene, and all I have is a suit, I'm wearing a suit because I was given a speech. I left, I didn't get back to the hotel and get my stuff, I went straight to the scene. So I get there and I walk up to this tractor trailer.

Right away I see several bodies on the ground, because when those doors finally opened up, the people were in such a rush to get air that they knocked some dead bodies out of the truck onto the ground. So I noticed some dead bodies on the ground there. Then I got to the back of the tractor trailer and I looked in the back of the truck onto the ground. So I noticed some dead bodies on the ground there. Then I got to the back of the tractor trailer and I looked in the back of the tractor trailer, I just see bed people. Most of them in their underwear

because they were trying to get some relief from the searing heat. And right away, so I looked at it, I keyed on a little boy and he was partially covered up by, who later found out was his father, who was protecting him. And I keyed in on him. And he was wearing the same color underwear that my little boy had. Same underwear.

And I had a five-year-old son at the time. So right away, I keyed in on him. And I had a five-year-old son at the time. So I read what I keyed in on him. So I took over the investigation. Just the term Houston flew in and the helicopter came to the crime scene. But I was processing the crime scene where the guy taking pictures. And I was telling him to take all these pictures, all I needed. But I told him that we would do the boy last.

And mainly because I couldn't handle it at the time. So we processed the crime scene, and I testified to this. I got angry one morning with a testimony where someone claimed I didn't care about dying children. He should have worn my shoes. I've seen a lot of dying children, dead children in my career. So when we got to the child, I knelt down beside him, I put my hand on him, and I said a prayer because I knew based on the years I've done alien smuggling investigations what a horrible, horrible death this child went through.

He baked a death. And after we'd crime scene photos, we, of course, the investigation, where I'm there on the ground, they had to apply clothes, and again I came with clothes on my back. But through the investigation we found out that little boy is the first one to die. And the witnesses there that survived said that little boy begged his father not to let him die.

Little boy knew he was dying, begged his father, please don't let me die, I want to see mom again. I boy knew he was dying. Begged his father, please don't let me die. I want to see mom again. I want to see my mommy. And when you hear the testimony from the surviving witnesses, it just tore you up. How this child, no five-year-old should have to beg for his life. No five-year-old should be baking to death in a black box. That got to 175 degrees, they said. And he was the first one to die, and his father died on top of him. Because some of the witnesses were saying that some of the members of the group back there talked about tearing the boy apart and putting him out through the brake lights. They busted out trying to get some air

and there's some talk about maybe we put parts of the boy out there, draw attention to our problem. That never got fully vetted because some witnesses said it didn't happen, but his father did die on top of his child and just hovering him. You think about it, I just don't think about it. They were going to rip this boy apart and body part him. that just hovering them. You think about it, I just don't think about it. Rip this boy apart and his body part apart. That's testimony from a couple of them people. Now a couple people say that wasn't true, but there's a reason, the father was over the top of him, like this.

We asked why. Anyway, John was the first one to die. Then so many people were starting to die. And there were so many people in back of the tractor trailer that they were dying standing up and trying to find a place to fall. And like I said, when we got the crime scene, most of them in their underwear

trying to get summary relief from the heat. So, through that investigation in the first couple of weeks, I'm listening to this testimony. And I just don't think about, okay, that child died. I'm thinking about how he died. What his last two hours was like. What was his last hour like? His father couldn't help him. His father got put him in that position. Begging his father to help him. His father can't. They're in a steel box locked in a steel box. No air in there. The air compressor was turned off

No air in there. The air compressor was turned off. And information was turned off because he wanted to draw attention to the truck. Because if the truck's empty, going through a checkpoint, air conditioning on, that means you got something back there. So there's a lot of testimony from a lot of different witnesses saying a lot of different things, but the way that child died, and I didn't sleep for a week down there. I'm a pretty tough guy, but that affected me because I had a five-year-old son at the time. You started thinking about why is my son lucky and that child wasn't?

Why is my son born in the greatest nation on earth and this child wasn't? I've been honest about that. After we put all 14 of those people in jail, anybody involved, they're in prison. And we shut that investigation down pretty quick, put a lot of people in prison. And after the investigation was done, I had to go get help.

Because I couldn't sleep. Just the image of this little boy, how he suffered, and had a son the same age. That affected me more than anything. Because I realized that didn't have to happen. If we had a secure border, that little child wouldn't have died. And that's why for the last four years, that's one of the reasons I wake up everybody, everybody pissed off. I knew when they open this border up, more kids are gonna die, more women and children will get sexually assaulted, more Americans

gonna die from fentanyl, and other drugs come across that border. Sex trafficking is going to increase tenfold. So I woke up every day for four years on Biden, pissed off. I actually did. I woke up just mad that Joe Biden's the first president in the history of this nation who came in office and unsecured a border on purpose. There wasn't mismanagement. I wasn't incompetent. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I wrote an op-ed, FoxNews.com, about six months for the election. I said, if Joe Biden becomes president, we lose the border. Just based on what he was saying. Put a moratorium on deportation, going to end ICE detention. I'm going to ward Amnesty. I'm going to ward DACA. I'm going to give free healthcare to illegal aliens. You make that type of promise to the entire world, they're going to come to the greatest nation on earth. So I knew it was going to happen. And I knew

every morning I woke up, and for four years I go out and give speeches and I tell people why, I'd be, you know, seven, eight o'clock at night, I have a great dinner, banquet, and I give them a speech. And I told everybody in the room, great night, isn't it? Let me tell you about the border. Tonight, while we're sitting there eating this meal, women are being raped as part of the feat across that border. And the child's going to die tonight, whether at the hands of the cartel or drawn on the river. I've been on the river and watched morgue relations give CPR to babies. Last year, I made a trip down to Brooks County for a ride-along. This is before President Trump was back in office.

Where's Brooks County? In Texas. Sheriff Benny Martinez. I sat in his office. He has like six deputies. He told me every deputy is doing immigration work 24-7. They're not even deputies. They're out there looking for dead bodies.

At the time, he had over 100 dead bodies found in this county of aliens that died making a turn just died So his but his troopers. I mean his deputies are out there every day finding dead bodies. I was with him for four hours We found two Then Talk to a doctor down there Who told me this story? Now I didn't see it. there who told me this story. Now I didn't see it, I just told this story.

Mother and father and a child, a 22-month-old little girl from an African nation was crossing the border, coming across a river. Smugglers, the animals they are, they bring them across in a boat. Boerwitzschild starts approaching them. So what do the smugglers do? They throw their family in the water, can't swim, because they know Boerwitzschild is going to go rescue this family and they can get away. So Boerwitzschild ran in and arrested them. They thought they rescued him, but the little girl later died at the hospital. And the doctor shared with me that the little girl who was post-mortem was assaulted in and every little opening of her body. As required by one of the six cartel members.

All these things I see and hear about. I know that story came to me, I didn't see it, but that story came to me. But it doesn't surprise me. Because the stuff, the nine-year-old girl I talked about, the tractor trailer, the driver of that tractor trailer knew these people couldn't breathe. They knew there weren't water back there. And what did he do?

He just unhooked the trailer and left, because they were dying. And through testimony, when he was calling the smuggler, complaining they were tearing his truck apart, because they tore the lights out to try to get air in there. These people are ruthless. So for four years, I wake up pissed off because I knew this stuff was going to fire up again. At a record pace, and it did.

Look at the numbers, like 4,000 aliens have died making the journey on Joe Biden. Quarter of a million Americans died from Fentanyl coming across the open border under Biden. Sex trafficking of women and children skyrocketed. Numbering people on the terrorist watch list. Record historic numbers came across that border. They arrested 400 of them. You got 2.2 million God always. How many of them came from a country sponsoring terror?

How many of them were sex trafficking women and children? How many of them were Karen Fenton? No So four years, I was I was just waking up every day pissed off Damn did you say 22 months? Twenty-two months old And this is pretty common Once too many. But it didn't surprise me a bit. It turned your stomach.

I mean, this other doctor we've been down there, he has a big old ranch. He finds dead bodies all the time. He found a young female that was left over her body. Her panties were down on her ankles. Her ankle was broken. What he says he's seen before is after his young girl got raped, they break her ankle so she can't go seek help. She dies there. He had a picture of a 12 year old little boy. They went over a fence at his property.

This little boy obviously didn't make it. He died right there at the fence line. He's kind of crawled up next to the fence. I mean, I've seen a lot of death, but I've also talked to a lot of people who took pictures of dead bodies on the property. You know, I've done alienuggling investigations for a long time. I've heard so much testimony from people that victimize.

I mean, Operation Ice Storm, Phoenix, Arizona. After I finished that Victoria operation with 14 dead aliens, then they sent me to Phoenix, Arizona to run Operation Ice Storm, where you got smuggling groups ripping each other off. When you get a load of 25 people, they're worth a lot of money. So you have alien smuggling groups doing rips on each other. They find out where the low house is, they go armed, they take this group.

There's a shootout on the highway down there because one group was stolen, another group's load of people. Bodies are piling in Maricopa County. Aliens couldn't pay their smuggling fees, they torture them. They call relatives up and say, yo, it's $10,000. Well, no, we said it was $5,000. Well, now it's $10,000. Either pay it or we'll kill them.

And they would. Those relatives, they call up on the phone, they torture the guy where the relative listened. One brave lady came, she actually contacted ICE and said, they're holding, I think it was her brother, demanding all this money, I can't afford a pen, they're going to kill him. Luckily we did what we do with phones, they would go to that place, and that guy was hogtied, hands and feet behind him with duct tape. His whole head and face were duct tape,

except a hole poked in his mouth so he can breathe. That's the way we found him. So these cartels are ruthless. So for four years I woke up, I knew that this was gonna happen every day now. And because this administration chose to open that border up. Why do you think they open the border up?

I get asked that all the time. You know, I think there's some people that thought, just don't believe in borders, they think we should have open borders, but I actually think they saw future political benefit. Obviously. Because when President Biden signed over 90 executive orders destroying everything that President Trump did in Trump 45, he also overturned the Trump census rule, which means the millions of people they release in 90 states, they'll be killed in the next census. Most of them in sanctuary cities, which means what?

When they proportionate seats in house, it means more seats and houses with attempts. And also they think they're future Democratic voters. Because here's the long game they're playing. No one talks about this. Here's the long game they're playing. They're playing the long game. They're smart at it. Overwhelm the system.

Let's bring 10.5 million encounters to the border. Release them without pro vetting because all they care about is the optics. If there's no overcrowding there's nothing to see. If there's no overcrowding we can say the border is secure, which they did. Border patrol agents were ordered, processed quickly, released quickly because if there's no overcrowding there's nothing to see here. So of course they weren't vetted properly. Didn't have time to vet them properly. Why did they release millions of people into the United States rather than putting them in

an empty ice bed? An ice bed owned by ICE, contract by ICE, at $127 a night. Why did they not fill that bed, but they'd rather release them to an NGO, get put in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night, get three free meals a day, get free medical care, and get, not only that, they get flown to the city of their choice. They say where they wanna go, we flew them there, by administration.

Put them in a hotel room, 500 bucks a night, give them three meals a day, free medical care. Why did they do that? Instead of putting them in the ICE facility at $127 a night. Because they knew exactly what they're doing. They didn't know if they go into ICE detention, they get a hearing within 40 days.

Based on real data from the immigration court, nearly nine out of ten people who claim asylum will get ordered removed because they don't qualify for asylum. They get removed. That's not what they wanted. Overwhelm the system because once you're out of the system, you've got the detained docket, immigration court prioritizes the detained docket. But once you release them, now they're on the non-detained docket sitting hotel room hearing is going to take three five seven years depending on what location you're on if you if you want

to exhaust all your appeals maybe nine years they overwhelm the system they know it's gonna take years to get these people through the process and what happens then we're hoping for a Democratic administration. Now you can warn Amnesty. They're playing the long game. They overrun the system on purpose. They did not detain them on purpose. I mean, not only that, I mean, I don't know how true this is.

I don't really believe anything in the media these days, but I read something maybe a year ago or so about the BCP-1, I think it's called the BCP-1 app where they could go on, claim asylum, and then the USG will send a plane down to get them and fly? So they tried to claim that border numbers are way down. Where did we fix this problem? It's down 70% No, it wasn't They created two programs on a thin air Called them legal pathways. They weren't legal pathways. The border numbers didn't really go down. It went down. Maybe 17% If you count all the programs they created what they did was Okay, we got millions of people coming across the border illegally.

So let's create the CBP-1 app. That same illegal alien population can simply go to an app, make an appointment, come to a port of entry. They won't call that illegal entry now. Same population of the illegal, they're just bringing them through the port of entry. Oh, this is a legal pathway. Thousands of people come to the port of entry. Then they created the CHNB, Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela. If you're from those four countries, we're going to fly you straight into our airports. You don't have to go to the border. We'll fly you straight into our major airports in the United States. 30,000 a month of those. 30,000 a month? Is this the shit that I saw at the airport? I would be at the airport traveling, going wherever, and I would see these people get rushed up to the front of the line. And there are always some type of... That's what that was? Most likely. So

they created a CHNV, they created a CBP One app, bringing thousands of people with what they call legal pathways. So if you add what they did through the CHNV and the CBP one app plus what the board still catching the board numbers didn't go on that much. They lied to the American people. They kept saying the board is secure looking the numbers down. You just created two buckets that you call legal pathways and board numbers aren't down. So they lied to American people over they lied about the secure border. They lied that it's going to take congressional action to fix the border. It only took a new

president. And so again, I wake up every day at four years pissed off. I think the first morning I woke up not pissed off was the morning after the election. I was in Florida, down at the vent, in Mar-a-Lago, when the election came in. And the next morning I woke up and I said, all right, things are about to change. Lives are about to be saved. So that's probably the first day I woke up knowing that things are going to change. But for four years, I just, I knew because all my time I spent on that border, I knew what was happening every night. I knew when I laid my head on that pillow every night, a child is going to die. Women are being raped. Cartels are moving record amounts of drugs in this country. Sex trafficking is gonna skyrocket, and it did.

Every night, I later knew what was happening. Maybe it's, you know, all the years I spent down there, I take it personal. Because of the tragedies I've seen, I don't wanna see that stuff ever happen again. Debt doesn't just show up one day, it builds, little by little. Credit cards, car loans, medical bills,

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And the time I spent there, we removed, I don't know, overmanned illegal aliens. And I was there in that position for three years. But after eight years of Barack Obama, it was Hillary Clinton versus President Trump. I was convinced Hillary was going to win, convinced. I think most of America lost because she was so far behind the polls. So before the election announced my retirement, so I had it. After eight years of Obama, I'm not spending four years, I'm not going to do it. So I got signed a contract with this company that paid me three times as much as I made for Ice Guy.

So I signed a contract, announced my retirement, I gave him 120 days, I will leave in January, right after, you know, the inauguration. Well, my retirement party, anyway, back up. So the election happened. So next morning I wake up, I remember my wife saying, Trump won. Right. Now what are you gonna do? Well, I already announced my retirement, I already signed his contract. So I said, I gotta go. I already got these things lined up. I already signed his contract. I said, I gotta go. I already got these things lined up. So at my retirement party, a lot of people showed up.

Saddest day of my life, January 2017, because after over three decades doing the job, that was my last day. And when you carry a badge and gun, you do this job for so long, it becomes a big part of who you are. And I knew that day I was going to leave that building, and I'm home as civilian for the first time in 34 years. So at the end of the retirement ceremony,

I was shaking hands with my wife, and I get an emergency phone call. John Kelly, who was Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security. So I took the phone call with John Kelly and he says, Tom, I know this is bad timing, but the president, the president like you're standing right in the agency, which is gonna be a two-step promotion.

I said, sir, it's bad timing, I just retired. He goes, no, you didn't. Paperworks on my desk hasn't been signed. So I said, sir, all due respect, my family's been through an awful lot. Multiple moves, death threats, protests on my home. I says, I gotta talk to my family about this. Plus I signed a contract with this company, I don't know what my legal obligations are on that. This is a Friday. I said, can I have till Monday to think about this? He goes, certainly. I said, can I have till Monday? To

No, think about this. He goes certainly I remember what he said before I hung up because let me leave you with this thought Tom and I remember this word for it. He goes Tom The president of the united states is asking you A career law enforcement officer to serve the country a little bit longer He needs your help, Tom I'll call you Monday, 0600." So on the way home, my wife asked me what his phone call was about, and I told her. She looks at him and she goes, "'Hell no, not doing it. We've been through too much.'" I said, "'It's the President

of the United States.'" She said, "'I don't care. Been through too much.'" So after a weekend of fighting, Sunday night, we were lying in bed and she asked me, what are you gonna do? I said, what do you think I'm going to do? She goes, you're gonna do that, aren't you? I said, of course. President of the United States.

She asked me to help, I won't stay. And she, you know, got a number. She said, okay, I'll support you on it. So the next day, he called me up and said, what say you? I said, let's do it. So the next day, I show up the ice office to the amazement with hundreds of people who gave me great gifts Friday

thought I was leaving the first people ran into in my office were ethics attorneys who had a list of all the gifts I got did you got to return all these gifts because these are all the employees now again I'm ready to send there's a $500 gift certificate your wife got we need that back I said look guys she's already pissed I said let me write you a check for the $500 I'm ready to send there's a $500 gift certificate your wife got. We need that back. I said, look, guys, she's already pissed. I said, let me write you a check for the $500. I'm not going to ask for it back. So they took all the gifts back, which is cool.

The next day, I'm on Air Force One, the president. That's the first time I ever met the man. Wow. I asked him, what's my march on? He says, do your job that you haven't been able to do for the last four years. Now he wants you to do it. Go enforce law. So fast forward a second time,

I'm actually out to dinner with my wife and my cell phone was sitting on the table and we were eating and all of a sudden phone goes off. And she called it right away, it's POTUS. Came up, called ID. She goes, oh my God. It was what's he want? So I excused myself and went outside and President Trump, he made it, you know, he asked me to

come back. But done. Back fast? Done. I woke up four years pissed off. They asked me to come back. But done. That fast? Done. I woke up four years pissed off. He might say, you've been bitching about it for four years, you want to come back and fix it? He's damn right I do.

So I took it, came back and sat down with him and says, Did you? Yeah. She goes, good. Because you've been pissed off every day. If you don't go back to you can be pissed off the next four years and then go back and fix it. So, and God bless you, it's a hell of a pay cut, but I wake up every day like a kid in a candy store because I think President Trump's the greatest president of lifetime as a border guy and immigration guy is pre is Trump 45 unprecedented

success the most secure border we ever had in my lifetime now the numbers even better as we're talking right now we got the most secure border in the history of this nation President Trump did in seven weeks what Joe Biden couldn't wouldn't do in four years. Wow. And I got a great team I work with every day. You know, I know you mentioned earlier, I got the man of the year award and border hero award, but you need to know at both of those acceptance, I accept it in the honor of President Trump, he should be the man of the year.

Cause without him, we couldn't be doing what we're doing right now on the border. And I also took it in honor of the men and women of the border patrol in ICE, who strap a gun to a hip every day to defend that border, hang out the rest of the worst of the worst. I'm just a guy at the White House coming up with strategies and policies and putting out ways I think things should be done. As the men and women carrying a badge and gun who deserve that award, so I took it in their honor. And President Trump, I mean, again, the game changer.

I worked with a team, you know, Steve Miller, the architect, and Steve Miller's probably the most brilliant man I've ever met. Like him, I love him, that guy's smarter than hell. I worked with a team and look at the cool, look at the President Trump brought in, because there's all of government on the border all of

government We got DOD. They're DOJ right you got you got p-hex F. You got Pam Bondi. You got cash Patel You got sector know You bring that weight Onto this issue and that's why success is the way it is. Because you got one hell of a team. That's the dream team. Man, you guys locked it down quick, from my understanding.

And interior rest, you know, we've arrested about three times more criminals in a few months than Joe Biden did in a year, but people always ask me if I'm happy with the numbers. I'm not happy. I'm happy that we got more hell a lot more invited But we need to get much more a lot more But we know is like seven hundred thousand illegal aliens or criminal convictions or criminal charges walking the streets this country We got to get them. So we got a lot more work to do doing good It's not good enough yet. We'll get into all that. I'm gonna get I

Want to talk about some of the stuff that has been coming through the border and how that happens and the motivation behind it and all the stuff that the cartels are in and then which is more of your, I think it's more of your previous life when you were a special agent. So when you talk about these little girls getting raped, coming across and little

boys dying and they're getting locked in these Connachs boxes with no air and 100 degree plus weather, I mean, where does this all initiate from? In what countries are using cartels to funnel them in. Bob Joe people under Joe Biden arrested people from 180 different countries. That's almost every country in the world. The whole world came to this country because they knew you could cross the border, get released within 24 hours, get a free plane ride to the city of your choice, get a free hotel room, Get a free plane ride to the city of your choice. Get a free hotel room. Free meals a day, free medical care.

Actually, I think it was 181 different countries. Are the cartels facilitating all of this? Oh, absolutely. Criminal cartels like the, you know, Elisco cartels and New Generation. Some of these cartels are in 45 countries around the world. They're in 45 countries? Some of these cartels are in 45 countries around the world. They're in 45 countries? Some of these criminal cartels, absolutely. So, you know, like the Chinese.

Record number of Chinese came across. There is no way tens of thousands of Chinese nationals left China and got to the United States without the coordination of a Chinese government. It doesn't happen. Chinese organized crime. Same with Venezuela. But once you get to Mexico, the criminal cartels, they have operation, they had operational patrol of the southern border. No one's crossing the southern border of the United States without paying the criminal cartels a plaza fees at a minimum. Because you go to their area of operation, you either pay their fees or they'll kill you.

So they had operational control of the southern border. Matter of fact, under Biden, I thought the numerous border control chiefs who would tell you that we no longer have operational control of the southern border, the criminal cartels do. They decide what's coming across, when it's coming across, where it's coming across. I thought the one chief patrol agent who used to turn me broken arrow, I said, dude, that's pretty, that's over the top. He goes, no it isn't. I'm maybe catching 10% what's coming across that border. He goes, I am overwhelmed. Groups are coming across every day that I can't go.

The 2.2 million gotaways under Joe Biden, 2.2 million known gotaways, these are people captured on video, drone traffic, central traffic, or two foot traffic that Boerb Joe counted that they couldn't respond to because they're too busy changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospital runs, making airport runs, dealing with that humanitarian crisis. 2.2 that we know about. Now there's areas of the border like Big Ben sector, very mountainous region. You can, 500 people go to that area a day, you wouldn't even know about it because we didn't have the technology there.

But 2.2 million people crossed the southern border, weren't apprehended because border control is so busy dealing with this humanitarian crisis. Who are they? I mentioned earlier they arrested 400 people on the no-fly list of terrorists. Well, I suppose they came across the border. You and I both know terrorists are trained into evade law enforcement. So who are these 2.2? Why did 2.2 million people pay more to get away? Because we already talked about it.

You pay two amounts of money to the cartel. You pay one amount of money to get to the border. You see a green uniform, turn yourself in, claim asylum, cartel's job ends at the border. But if you want to get away, if you want to get to New York without being processed or vetted or fingerprinted, you pay a lot more. So why did 2.2 million people pay more not to get a free airline ticket, not to get a free hotel room, not to get free meals, not to get free medical care, and not to get work authorization? Why did 2.2 million people pay more not to take advantage of that giveaway program? Because they don't want to be vetted. They don't want to be fingerprinted.

That scares the hell out of me. It scares the hell out of everybody. 2.2 million. Yes. How does it work? How does it work if China's trying to get people smuggled under the country? Or Al Qaeda or Taliban or Al Shabaab. There's so many smuggling routes we can't cover them all, right? I guess what I'm asking is how do they get in touch with the cartels? Cartels are they got they got

Their their tentacles reach into many major nations It's like in Mexico if you don't Chinese they deal in Chinese Organized crime where as connection to criminal cartels in Mexico or Central America There's so many routes that, you know, some routes come through Canada. Not many, but there are a few that come through Canada. Most come through the southern border because you got over 2,000 border there

that you just can't control at all. Some come up through the Daring Gap. Some fly in the Mexican, Mexico City Airport, depending on, a lot of Chinese fly straight into Mexico. It depends where you're coming from, what kind of tower you're dealing with. There's so many different routes. Columbia, I mean, there's South America.

Some make a maritime trip to South America, come up to the Daring Gap. Some fly straight into Mexico. It's just so many routes and that's one of the toughest jobs about securing the border. It's better almost to play the away game, to attack the cartels down south

rather than to get to the border. And we've done that very well. I mean, Darien Gap, thousands of people crossed the Darien Gap. The Biden administration said they're gonna shut it down. They never did. Is it shutting down now? It's not shutting down, but the traffic is going south.

Traffic during a gap is southbound now. So human smuggling is a major financial component to the cartels. Oh, yeah. That's why I saw the cartels in Mexico the last few years. Now there's a battle going on in Mexico. Cartels are fighting with another because they made record amounts of money, not only drug smuggling,

but trafficking of women and children for forced labor or sex trafficking, smuggling of aliens. They're making more money than ever made. So cartels are fighting each other for control of the plaza. Who owns this plaza? Trying to, because there's so money than ever made. So cartels are fighting each other for control of the plaza. Who owns this plaza trying to, because there's so much money being made. And that's one of the things, you know,

I said from the beginning that President Trump will end up wiping the cartels off the face of the earth. And that's why I think he designated them terrorist organizations, because they've killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined. Through the drugs and you know what the cartels have done. So now that we designate in terrorist organizations

and now that we shut down the pipeline at a 96% rate, we're hitting them where it hurts in the pocketbook. I think, I hope I'm wrong, but I think you're gonna see the violence escalating and sudden board of commission of clinicians not gonna go away They're gonna try to get their product through. Mm-hmm. And now we got DOD on the border along with board to legends It's I feel as matter of time before there's an armed encounter of some kind. How are they? How are they how does the sex trafficking work? That's that's just a big

topic that is Is the sex trafficking work? That's just a big topic that is, it's what I go to sleep thinking about all the time and I've covered it several times on the show. Well, some sex trafficking is, a lot of it, you pay your smuggling fee, you owe the smuggling group, let's say you owe them $10,000. You don't have the money, okay, well, you work for us and we get northbound. There's various ways to do it. This is one of the ways. So you get northbound, okay, here's what you're going to do.

It pays back. Or you're not going to do it. Okay, well, we know where your family is. We'll kill your family. We'll kill you. So a lot more force in the sex slavery. Of course, children are just sold into it. They don't have a choice.

Here in the States? Absolutely. Absolutely. What does that look like? I used to already found children working in on ranches and in factories and forced labor. I mean we're attacking trafficking really hard. The sad thing is that we're one of the biggest customers of it in the United States. Either sex trafficking or forced labor trafficking. And some of the forced labor trafficking, they're never going to pay the fee off.

When I was head of the office in Dallas, some of the Asian massage parlors that we investigate had their passports being kept from these women. They couldn't leave. They were locked in a facility, forced into prostitution and pay off smuggling fees, which they'll never pay off. So a lot of the trafficking, forced labor and sex trafficking, the alien doesn't even know what they're getting into. And to get here, they're forced into it to pay off the cartels. And like I say, these cartels are ruthless. They know your families. They'll threaten your family. One of the most despicable things about losing control of the borders is the trafficking issue. Under Joe Biden, it's estimated half a million children were trafficking in this country,

smuggling this country. They released the so-called sponsors. Sometimes it's family, many times it's not. Again, go back, the secretary of HHS, Becerra, I saw him give a speech on stage how quick they're releasing these people. We're releasing these people quickly. Of course you are. Because all you care about is the optics. I know we're crowding, not a problem here.

But they're released so quickly proper vetting wasn't done. So you heard the media reports like 300,000 children that the Biden administration couldn't account for. They called them for check-ins, weren't there. They tried to contact them, couldn't contact them. So Trump administration, we are actively looking to try to find these kids. We already found some, but already found some in forced labor. But it's difficult. I have all things. When President Trump hired me, he said, I want to secure the border, run a deportation operation and find these kids. Border is pretty secure right now. Most secure we ever had. Numbers are doing pretty good on

deportation, but again, I'd do more more a lot more the kids are the toughest part Because you get trying to find children and it's difficult to find children because you and I we have a footprint We have a digital footprint you own a home. You're in a car. You got pay bills. You got a credit card We can find you we can find me We kids don't have a digital footprint. So we got to count on a digital footprint, whatever sponsor they released them to. And through the whistleblowers at HHS, many of these sponsors weren't fingerprinted, identification wasn't verified,

they didn't do DNA testing. So now we got to try to find kids who released the sponsors that don't want to be found. Some of these sponsors have already sold the kid off somebody else. So this is the most, three things, three rails that I'm involved in, this is the most difficult one. How does it work?

How are they selling kits? What's that marketplace? Where is it? Is it online? It's going to be part of the inner circle, but a lot of it is through the dark web, a lot of it is through the internet. I mean, not only for trafficking, you get a job driving a load of aliens from the border on the internet. They're using all sorts of, they're using apps to do that.

Whether it's Instagram or many of these, during the Biden administration, they're hiring college kids, high school kids to drive loads through an app, social media. Social media is a big tool used in all of this. Are the Americans the end consumer of this? Many times. We've done investigations where illegal alien population. Sometimes they are the customers, but a lot of it is Americans. And it's sad that this country is a customer for that type of activity. I remember when I was 20 years ago, I was teaching a human trafficking course at the FBI Academy over in Budapest teaching each in European countries how to look at human trafficking. So I'm

giving this course and one of the members in the audience, a border guard, because there's like several languages being spoken. We had interpreters in there. He raises his hand and asked me a question. It's a true story. He says, how come you're here teaching us about human trafficking when the United States is the biggest consumer of it? If you weren't the biggest consumer, you wouldn't need to be here training us. Man.

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have infiltrated the border. I was just wondering what kind of insight do you have on that? Well, we really don't know. I mean, the television community has one number. Again, I go back to over two million Godaways on the Joe Biden. Two million people crossed the border and weren't vetted, weren't fingerprinted. And like I said earlier, criminal cartels in Mexico control the border. You don't cross the border without paying them off or working through them.

So why did two million people pay more to get away? That's a carousel hell on me. If you look at the numbers, under Trump 45, I think we arrested in four years, we arrested a total of 13 people on terrorist watch lists. 13. By administration, they're getting more than 13 a day some days.

So, you know, on top of the gold, you know, terrorist organizations, but now, you know, as you know, President Trump just declared, you know, MS-13 and TDA turned to Iowa, Venezuela, terrorist organizations. And I pushed for the criminal cartels to be designated terrorists. Again, it wasn't my decision, but I've been talking about this for years.

President Trump did it. I think it's the right thing to do. A lot of people say, well, how do you consider them terrorists? MS-13 in Trinidad and the criminal cartels in Mexico? Because they've killed more Americans than any terrorist organization I know of by the thousands. Not only that, these cartels in Mexico, they've killed thousands of journalists, prosecutors, judges. I mean, they run Mexico.

Anybody thinks anything different, you're wrong. The criminal cartels in Mexico control that country. They did have operational control of their board and we took it away from them. Do you have any, do you have insight into the motivations that are happening, not just with cartel terrorism, but more traditional terrorism like stuff coming out of, you know, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, all of these different, Al Shabaab, all these different, you know, I don't know what to call them. We'll just say more traditional type terrorists. They want to destroy this country. I mean, I'm not a terrorism expert, but I read enough intelligence reports.

We know they're here. I said for a long time, it doesn't matter when, I think it's if, That's my opinion. I think a lot of people agree with me. Two million gotaways. If we arrested 400 trying to get in, no one's going to convince me that not a single one of those two million gotaways didn't come here to do us harm. We were already, I mean, we were already shut down. What's the aid from Tajikistan not too long ago that we're planning an inside attack, luckily the intelligence community got some chatter on that.

We were able to shut it down. We got a lot of unanswered questions by the administration. How about the two that entered through the Chronicle Marine base? That has never been fully, you been fully you know opened up to the American people what exactly that was don't hear anything about it I'm looking into it now but do I think there's terrorists that crossed during the Biden administration is in this country right now absolutely I'd be a fool to say that I didn't think so do you know how they're setting up at all

I do know the country I do not know. I can just tell you, when it comes to Chinese, record amounts of Chinese nationals are across the border. I've been around since 1984. These numbers exploded under Biden. And I know there's no way tens of thousands of Chinese national came from China to United States no way they came or while the cooperation of Chinese government Chinese organized crime just don't happen well I think we

all can agree to that and and what scares me more why did it why are they here that scares me. We know they're already setting up, you know, places outside of military bases. We're going to have the spy blown. Corporate espionage. I mean, I. And the vast majority, it wasn't like family groups coming across. These were many of them, most of them were, you know, military age males, which again,

it's a real serious national security concern. Why are they here? I think it's being investigated. We're looking into it and hopefully we'll get some information. I'm sure things are being done in the intelligence community. I'm not involved in right now, but deep national security concern. I've said it many times. This open border was probably the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen Because we don't know who came across and that over to me that known gotaways And we're not even talking about the unknown gotaways places like Big Ben sector where we don't have technology How many people cross there that we don't know about?

How many people came maritime they got away? How many people came to Canada? maritime that got away. How many people came through Canada? Because our resources on Canada under Joe Biden, we have very few resources on the Canadian border anyways, right? But half of the border patrol agents on the Canadian border were detailed to the southern border to deal with that mess. And the half that remained on the Canadian border, most of them were sitting at a computer processing southern border apprehensions virtually. So there's practically no lake patrol, river patrol, road patrol, northern border. So God help what came through the Canadian border we don't know about. What other type of bad actors are coming? I mean we've got human smuggling slash sex trafficking. We've got drugs. We've got regular cartel members who are embedding themselves into the US local US governments. We have Chinese which are conducting all kinds of corporate and defense espionage, setting up these huge Bitcoin scam camps, they're spying on our bases,

they're, I mean, one of them was even producing power for a major military base in Texas. And then what else do we have? And then we have the- We have record number of Russian, citizen Russia, Turkey. I didn't even think about that. You know, a lot of these countries that are especially interest countries.

We had a record number of people from those countries coming across, not to mention the gangs. Trenton, Iowa, and MS-13, a lot of gang members come through. I remember during the Obama administration where these family groups were coming across, we knew that some of the members, these families weren't families, they were actually gang members. Administration took no action on it. I can tell you in the present, during 45, his first four years, we did Operation Matador up in Long Island, New York. We arrested just short of 500 gang members. Most of them is 13.

When we dig into the files, 42% of them enter the country as a family member or UAC. So they'll infiltrate, they'll come in as a stage family member, they're not. They'll come in as UAC, because UACs are up to 17. What's UAC? On a couple couple alien child. The children come across, but vast majority of UACs are 14 to 17.

Well, these are gang members posing. They could be 19, 20 posing at a 17 year old. That happened a lot. Now, it's not happening because the border shut down but when we went did this operation 42% of these entered as a child of a family group, supposed a family group that weren't or a UAC on the company of an alien child. They weren't a child at all. They were an adult, opposed as a child. But under 45, we attacked it because we did DNA testing, make sure that family is actually a family. Biden administration

stopped that. And that's why I think you saw skyrocketing. Once they dropped, once they didn't vet the entire family to sponsors, and under Trump, we'd vet the entire family, just not the sponsor, anybody living in a household we vet. When Biden came and shut those rules down, no more vetting of the people in the household, no more DNA testing, child spawning skyrockets, we don't know who, a child with a parent or not with a parent, and that's why we got 300,000 missing ones now. So it's, they relaxed the rules. now. So it's they relax the rules. Again, process quick, release quick. Less rules, faster the process goes. All they care about is the optics. And I guarantee there's children right now in this country by the thousands who wake up every day living a life of hell because they're living with a sponsor that's abusing them. Geez.

When these entities come across, Chinese, traditional terrorists, cartel gangs, Russians, are they, were they grouped into, would it be a caravan or a smuggling operation of just that entity? Just Chinese, just Russian, just Al Qaeda, just MS-13? Usually blended. They usually blended with another group. Sometimes you got solely Chinese come across to the group and many times were blended. The scariest thing about these countries, these unfriendly countries, in my opinion,

is when Secretary of Mallorca sits there and says these people we released were vetted. They weren't vetted. You can call it vetting, but we know the vetting was a joke. You think the Chinese government is going to give us a national security information or any information on these nationals coming across? No. Russia, Turkey, Syria, any of these countries going to share it? No, the countries not. And as far as coming to criminal data, we don't have access to other countries criminal

data. You think El Salvador was, and Honduras and Guatemala, I don't even know if they have an NCIC data, but it's like we got. They weren't properly vetted. When they stood on the city, people were vetted. What it usually meant was they were vetted through NCIC and IIII, state systems there. So unless they had a criminal history here,

that was the most vetting that was done. Some they'll vet through the terrorist screening database, but you and I both know most terrorists in this world aren't in any database. Unless they were part of a T3 investigation or encounter on a battlefield or, you know, there's a lot of terrorists in this world, they're not in any database. So when they say they vetted these people, they vetted them through a weak system. Well, on top of that, I mean, we actually, we did have a lot of, I mean, not with new ones, but we had a lot of intelligence.

We used to use this thing called the hide system. When I was working over there, they would take a retina map or whatever. But when we withdrew from Afghanistan the way we did, we gave all of that up. Everything. Well, actually, and that proves what the vetting was, right? They said they vetted all the Afghani states they brought over here. DOD IG, Inspector General, said they weren't properly vetted. So this administration lied about all the vetting procedures.

How about the tunnels? Tunnels are big in California. We're starting to see some now in Arizona. We got some pretty good tunnel technology, but the more we find, the more they dig. But this administration upping, we got a lot of really smart companies cutting us companies or coming to the table with of really smart companies, cutting edge companies, are coming to the table with tunnel technology. Some are pretty sophisticated. How do those work?

Well, they're simple. They'll dig the tunnel down in Mexico, and it comes up usually now inside of a building. Less attention, they'll come up outside of a, like a corporate plaza, they'll come up inside of a warehouse or a building. I don't want to discuss the technology. I don't want to show our hand, but there's a lot of latest technology to help us find those tunnels. But we're finding many. But there's some, again, as we shut down a tunnel, none of it was being dug. So it's a

cat and mouse game on the tunnels. We shut down a lot of them. Some were very sophisticated. They were lighted and air conditioned. You can take carts through there. Some you gotta crawl through. We just, they used the drainage pipes. An El Paso, they would just go through a city drainage area. They use some of that sometimes, but we got that pretty much under control.

But tunnel digging is increasing just because the borders locked down. So again, the cartels aren't going to go away. They're going to think of another reason, another method of getting the United States. That's why maritime, we're seeing a maritime increase now. A lot more taken to the Pacific or the Atlantic, through the Caribbean or over to San Diego. Some are taking Pongo boats as far as north as Laguna Niguel. President Trump's got Navy ships out there patrolling now.

We got increased Coast Guard patrols and board patrols also got maritime increase. And so we're trying to, we adapt as the cartels move, you know, move their method of operation. We adapt pretty quickly. Who are some of the, if there've been any key players that you've caught, like cartel leaders, ISIS leaders, terrorist leaders, sex trafficking leaders, have you caught any,

we'll just call them kingpins? Quite a few, we got quite a few of MS-13 TDA leadership. FBI's taken, as you know, some significant terrorist leaders out, but when it comes to what I'm doing on immigration enforcement we have taken out major command and control of TDA and MS-13 but I won't be happy to every single one of them has been you know removed from this country but we've hurt TDA. TDA is on the run. There's still some areas we need to attack. Problem is they got a foothold in sanctuary cities.

Sanctuary cities is hard because local law enforcement cannot work with us because of sanctuary city laws. So it's kind of like a cat and mouse game over there, too. I mean, New York City, you know, TDA and MS-13 both have a huge presence there. Now, we just did an operation with NYPD a month ago. I think three weeks ago, I was over doing press counts. We indicted 27 members of TDA. Huge public safety win. New York City became that much safer.

But they're a sanctuary city. Well, I think we showed during that operation, if they'd work with us, look at the great impact we'll have on public safety. And now, you know, you got the city council over there suing the mayor for working with us. Mayor wants to get us back in the Rikers Island to arrest the bad guy. And it's the right thing to do.

Let us arrest a public safety threat in the safety and security of a jail. Because you release them, it puts the community at risk, puts our officer at risk, and now we gotta go find him on his turf where he has access to who knows what weapons, right? So even though we show great success, what we can do together in New York City,

right away the city council sues, trying to prevent that type of cooperation. It's ridiculous. Sanctuary cities under Biden exploded. They did nothing about it. President Trump's taking action. Pam, Bonnie's starting to file lawsuits against sanctuary cities. I'm working with Secretary Noem.

We're adding more resources to sanctuary cities because that's where the problem is. They're knowingly releasing public safety threats back in the community. I got attacked by the left for making a speech at one speech that I was gonna go to Boston and bring hell with me. So how dare he threaten Boston?

I wasn't threatening Boston. I was threatening the criminal illegal aliens in Boston that raped children. Before I gave that speech, I looked into a list of people we've arrested over the past few months. I stopped at nine illegal aliens that raped children. And they'd rather release them back to the street and they'd call us once they get out of jail.

So he damn right, I said I was gonna bring it. I'll bring out every illegal alien that commits a crime against a child over there. And we did, I went over there, I think in a matter of two days, we arrested several child predators, arrested numerous TDA members. Chicago, same thing, Chicago mayor

said I wasn't welcome to Chicago. Chicago's the first place that I went after inauguration because I was told I wasn't welcome there. They were the first. I went after inauguration because I was told I wasn't welcome there They were first place I went and the first day we're there We rested two illegal aliens that had a murder conviction rested TDA members rested child sex predators One day in Chicago that city was that much safer where they still refused to work with us So I've said sanctuary cities won't get exactly what they don't want. More agents in the communities and more collateral arrests. Because right now the media is beating us up. Oh, you say you're going to concentrate on public safety threats, national security

threats. Well, a lot of the people you arresting aren't criminals. Okay, where are they being arrested? They're being arrested in Sanctuary of City. Why? Because you forced me into the community. If you let me in the jail, one agent can arrest one bad guy. And the safety and security of a jail. Would you rather release that public safety threat back in the public which puts the public in harm, puts the agent in harm, puts the alien in harm because anything can happen on the street arrest. Let me in the jail. But when you force me in the community, we're going to go to the community and we're going to find that person. And when we find him, he's probably with others.

Others may not be a criminal target, but in the country illegally. ISIS is gonna do the job and arrest that collateral. How do these sanctuary cities work? I mean, how are they harboring illegal immigration? How are they helping? Well, my definition of sanctuary city, don't give us access to jail, they were honor detainers.

So they rather release illegal alien public safety to our back end community. Here's the justification. Well, we're a welcoming community. We're sanctuary city because we want victims that witnesses of crime, if they're in the country lately, victims and witnesses of a crime to feel comfortable coming and reporting that crime

without fear that we're working with ICE. That's bullshit. We all know that. We don't wanna talk to the victim or witness. We wanna talk to the guy that you locked in a jail cell. That's what we wanna talk to. And that you locked in a jail cell. That's who we want to talk to. And I'm sure the victim and witness of a crime don't want the bad guy back out there either to take revenge on the victim witness of crime. Give us a bad guy. Because I think if you went

to immigrant community and asked them one question, would you rather have ICE operating in the jail or your community? They don't want to say the jail. Because the immigrant community, even the illegal immigrant community, even though they're in the country illegally, many of them want to get here, are pretty law-abiding. They're family people. They care about their families, though. They don't want to predator in their neighborhood either. They don't want someone to arrest for DUI 10 times in their neighborhood either.

So let us in the jail. You're the one that locked the guy in the jail cell, apparently because he's a public safety threat, while you're locking him up. Give us that access to that person. When you're done with them, give them to us. So stop telling the story that your sanctuary city can try and protect the witness victims, the witnesses of the crime to come forward. The only reason they're going to be afraid is because the message is that we're out there tearing up families and raiding neighborhoods. We don't raid neighborhoods. We don't sweep neighborhoods. Everybody we arrest is a target enforcement operation. When we go out on the streets, we know exactly who we're looking for.

enforcement operation. When we go out on the streets, we know exactly who we're looking for. We're most likely we will find them. We even got, we have the full immigration history, full criminal history. We, we, many times we know who's in the house, if there's children in the house. These officers spend a lot of time planning these operations. It's not a sweep. We don't go through neighborhood looking for people different than us. It's targeted enforcement operation, but the left keeps lying to the American, people saying we're sweeping neighbors, we're tearing families apart, we're out there just racial profiling. It's ridiculous. Pete Slauson So, this is very intel driven.

John Lennon Absolutely. Every person will go to rest, there's a few job sheets done on them. That's be signed up by a supervisor. Now the left's out there saying, well, now we're raiding schools and churches and hospitals because we did away with a sensitive location policy. We did away with a sensitive location policy for companies. Number one, we're the only law enforcement agency that had such a policy. FBI don't have that policy, DEA don't have that policy, ATF, none of these federal agencies have a policy. FBI don't have that policy, DEA don't have that policy, ATF, none of these federal agencies have a policy where you can't arrest somebody on school grounds or a hospital or someplace else. And why did we do away

with that? Because there is no sanctuary under President Trump. There's no sanctuary for criminal aliens, public safety threats, or national security threats in this country. It doesn't mean we're going to raid a school, but if we have an MS-13 gang member that's a senior at this high school over here and we've been looking for him, we can't find him, but all of a sudden we know that he's attending class here right now. Significant public safety threat. We're going to go arrest that guy with his synthesis of local authorities. Doesn't mean we're sweeping the school. Means we're taking one bad guy out. And more than likely, we're going to wait for him to leave

class. But the left takes it, oh, they're going to sweep schools, they're going to sweep hospitals, they're going to sweep churches. It's ridiculous. But if there's a national security threat attending mass right now that we've been looking for, we know he's right now in a mass, we're going to arrest him. There's no sanctuary for public safety threats or national security threats in this country under President Trump. So that's right, but again, the media takes that. So I'm reading stories about teachers, elementary school teachers, teaching their children,

school board members and other teachers how to defy ICE if they show up at your school. It's just a vilification, and we knew it was coming, the vilification of ICE, vilification of Trump, vilification of me, which I don't care. I mean, I really don't care what people think about me because I know I'm doing the right thing. So you can hate on me all you want. Matter of fact, I get disappointed when I go in an event, there's not protesters. I'm a little disappointed. I actually like protesters. But the media is not being factual with American people and that's very, very irritating. it's an insult because they're hiding the truth not the media just a couple weeks ago say we're removed we're deporting less people in Joe Biden yeah why because the border shut down the

border secure a lot of Biden removals there count ice removals and border troopers together yeah many people coming across every year right and they The border is secure. A lot of Biden removals, they're counting ICE removals and border control removals together. You had millions of people coming across every year, right? And they did remove a certain percentage of them. We could remove 100% of people we encounter and Joe Biden can remove 5% of people we encounter, he's still going to beat us. The border was unsecure, he had 10.5 million people come across the border in 10 years. But if you look at ICE arrests, their true deportation number, ICE arrests, were killing

them on ICE deportations. But they won't say that. They fudged the numbers on purpose, it looked like we're doing less and we're not. ICE is arresting and deporting a lot more people. Under Joe Biden, he had 10.5 million people come to the border, historic numbers every year, four years. Every year is a historic number. He kept breaking his own record every year.

Same time, we have historic illegal immigration on the southern border. ICE, under Biden, had the lowest numbers of removals, arrests that they arrested, not Borjoc. The lowest number of arrests and removals by ICE in the history of the agency. At the same time, he had unprecedented crossing on the border. We've turned that around. We've got the most secure border in the history of this

country right now. ICE has arrested about three times more criminals than Biden ever thought arrested. I mean, I remember, if you look at the numbers right now, Sean. An average day I earned Joe Biden. 1800 got away, you and I talked about it. Every day. 1800. The other day we had 38. 1800 a day. We had 38 the other day. You look at the numbers, a apprehensions a day, 10, 12,000 under Biden many, many times, a few times you got to 15. But let's just take 10, 12,000 because we were allowed those days. That's almost 800,000 a year. Of course, yeah. Under Biden. What was the Galloway number the other day? 41.

41 too many. I'll be happy with zero. 1,841. The number that impressed me the most is those they released into the country. So the first hundred days under Trump, nine people were released from the border under Trump. Four of them were material witnesses. We wanted them here to testify in a serious criminal case. Four were extreme medical conditions. We had to take them to a hospital or they're going to die.

Extreme medical conditions. We just can't deport somebody in a bad way like they can't do it. Talk about being inhumane. And one was a discretionary release for humanitarian reasons. So out of those nine releases, one was really discretionary. Nine total. Same timeframe under Biden 100 days, The same timeframe under Biden 100 days, 184,000 people were released into the United States. That's what President Trump has done for this border. Again, most secure border in the history of this nation today. How are you, other than sending more agents, how are you dealing with these sanctuary cities? I mean, we saw a judge, was it Wisconsin, that got arrested?

Well, I said from day one, the sanctuary cities and the governors, the mayors, and... If you want to support sanctuary cities, if that's what you want to do, then go ahead. Just don't get in our way. If you don't want, I would think every governor, every mayor, any city council person, their number one responsibility is protection of their communities. I've already been clear and President Trump's been clear from day one, we're prioritizing public safety threats and national security threats. They should be shoulder to shoulder with us on this. But their hatred for Trump, their support of sanctuary cities and the politics, putting politics over public safety means more to them.

I wish they loved their communities more than they hate Trump because we can make a difference. But I've said from day one, you cannot support us, you can protest us, but if you cross the line, we'll seek prosecution. If you cross the line of impeding us, that's a felony. If you gnoilly harbor and conceal illegal ailing from us, that's a felony. If you knowingly harbor and conceal illegal alien from us, that's a felony. If you interfere, we're gonna seek prosecution.

And it's already happened to one judge, two judges. What were they doing? A mayor was arrested just this past few days. Newark. And Newark, because he was trespassing. We're not going to tolerate it. We got Pam Bondi, powerful attorney general right there. We got Cas Patel. I mean, we're simply not going to deal with it. You can not support us. You can call us all the names you want, protest all you want, but don't cross that line because we're going to force the law

President Trump is elected by the American people overwhelmingly because of his stance on the border Securing the border and run this deportation operation that is what we're going to do We're gonna keep President Trump's promise to American people that vote him in office for this reason. We're going to do it So you can stand aside and watch, but don't get in our way and don't cross the line. But it's just that sanctuary cities, we need more people. So what I've said, sanctuary cities, we're going to flood the zone. How many sanctuary cities are there? Oh, I don't have a hundred.

I mean, I just saw literally yesterday that the mayor of Nashville is now going to use taxpaying dollars to harbor illegal aliens. Well, you better not. Harboring and concealing illegal aliens is a felony. Eight United States, United States Code 1324. You know, in my career, I've arrested U.S. citizens for harboring an alien in the workplace or their homes. Why are politicians any different? They shouldn't.

We're going to force the law against anybody across that line. But what sanctuary cities are going to get, we're going to flood the zone. If one agent can't arrest a bad guy in the jail, then I've got to send the whole team, usually five or six guys to go arrest this person, five or six agents, to arrest this person because who knows what weapons he has access to, arrest him at his turf. So if I can't arrest him in the jail, safety and security of the jail, which is safe for everybody, then I got to send a whole team to the neighborhood. If we can't arrest him at home, then we'll arrest him at placement and employment.

So we're going to flood the zone with agents and communities. We're going to increase worksite enforcement operations tenfold. We're going to get them. So sanctuary city is going to get what they don't want. More agents in your communities, more collateral risk. Because when we find the bad guy, like I said before, we're going to arrest anybody we find while we're looking at that guy. If we find an illegal and and exercise that operation They're gonna go to because under the last administration. They told ice Immigration officers who took an oath to enforce immigration law my orcas told ice you can't arrest somebody for being here illegally They had to be arrested for a serious crime convicted of a serious crime before you take action

They rewrote immigration law well no, no, the statute is clear. We told ICE agents, you will uphold the oath you took, you will enforce the laws, you took an oath to enforce. So if you find an illegal alien while you're looking for that bad guy, take him into custody. So again, sanctuary cities, everybody said, why are there so many clatter arrests? Because you forced me in the neighborhood. So we're going to flood the zone. neighborhood so we're gonna flood the zone what has been the response of Border Patrol law enforcement ice I mean a great question let me tell you son last four years I made a dozen trips to the border I was a border agent so I go down there just see what's going on Most the agents recognize me and they talk freedom with me. They're miserable. They consider themselves Uber drivers, tourist agents. They weren't enforcing the law.

Yeah. They were simply finding people they arrested, people across the border. I wouldn't say arrested, they took them, they detained them, they processed them and took them to an airport or bus station or hand them over to NGO who took them to an airport or bus station. They were arresting people who broke our laws, entered the country legally and sending them on their way. Children, they sent them to ORR and ORR would deliver them, them the children to the very people many times That arranged to have them smuggled in United States. That's a felony and

By the administration were delivering these children to the same people who paid to have them smuggled here Now we're addressing that right now We won't hold people accountable, but that's what was occurring. So the morale was in the toilet. Board of Regents were quitting, retiring early, recruiting, they couldn't get recruiting done at all. ICE, same thing. Last month under the board of registrations,

the highest recruiting numbers ever in the history of the agency. Because people wanna be a part of this. People wanna be a part of this. People want to be a part about securing the nation, protect that southern border. The recruiting numbers are through the roof. Morales at an all-time high. I mean I would think it's at an all-time high. I mean I remember watching that the agent on horseback that they painted him out to be whipping,

like he had a whip and he was, and it turned out to be just the horse reins. I mean, they just kneecapped these guys. When that video came out, I was sitting in my living room. I was born to listen. I know the rules of engagement. I saw that video, I think, okay, they did perfectly. They performed perfectly.

The horses performed perfectly. Just like the horses in New York City do crowd control. The horses are trained very well. And these officers on those horses are masters of what they do. I watched that and I thought, well, these guys did a great job. The only people that did anything wrong in that video

were the Haitian illegal aliens who entered country illegally, which is a crime by the way, and ignored commands from a federal officer, which is a crime. But no one talked about the Haitians violating law that day. They talked about agents whipping black people. You had the President of the United States stand at the White House podium and slander these men. You had the Secretary of Homeland Security slander these men from the White House podium. And to this day, they've never been apologized to.

I said from day one, once the investigation cleared them, they didn't whip anybody, was there any apologies? No. And these men's families were bullied in churches and schools. Their careers would never be the same. Because now they've got a record. And even after the investigation said they didn't whip anybody, they were trying to come up with some charges, or you used a bad word, or you were too aggressive, because they wanted to embarrass the president,

they had to come up with something. But the union got some good legal support for these agents, but it was a travesty. Can you imagine being a GS-12 border patrol agent and going home that night from work when the President of the United States compared you to a racist? Man. I mean, these men and women put their lives on line for this country every day. Look, in my career, I buried border patrol agents, I buried ICE agents. The saddest thing I've ever had to do is hand the folder flag to a child or surviving spouse. They tarnished the memory of every agent that made the ultimate sacrifice that day. These

men on horseback did a fabulous job and never received an apology after thrown under the bus from the White House podium. Now, President Trump, he's like me, he loves Borbett, he loves Zyches, he has her six, doing what we can to support him. But letting them do their jobs is the best morale booster you could ever do. I just told you a few minutes ago, I wake up every day like a kid in a candy shop,

can we get to do the job that I dealt with for four decades and can fix the mess that Biden made. You think my morale is high? You all see the morale of the men and women actually making the difference. The ones that are carrying the badge and gun down there, their morale is at an all time high. I mean, this just bled into every aspect of law enforcement.

I mean, so many friends that that left law enforcement over the last four years because they were telling me, hey, you know, we'd pick these guys up, we'd we'd we'd we'd pull them over, they'd have drugs in the car, they'd be drunk, they'd be trafficking, whatever, whatever the crime was. And if they didn't have proper proper documentation, and they were illegal, then they had to let them go. So many guys walked off the job just because they weren't able to enforce the law. Is that still happening or is that finished? There's a

morales of all time high they're doing the job. President Trump gives them full support, enforced laws, and they're doing it. Matter of fact, prosecutions right now on the southern border are at all time high. They're just not arresting legal answers or prosecuting people. They're prosecuting people for illegal entry. They're prosecuting people for a felony reentry after a deportation.

They're prosecuting people for entering an army installation. There are prosecutions of smuggling of skyrocket. Now we're stepping up prosecutions on the interior. You know, you got a lot of politicians out there, a lot of NGOs who say they're educating illegal aliens through their constitutional rights. You don't have to open the door for ICE. You don't have to answer questions. You don't have to provide documents. And I've been going at this for a couple months now, but what we're doing now, You don't have to answer questions, you don't have to provide documents. And I've been going at this for a couple months now, but what we're doing now, there's 8 U.S.C.

1253, I think that's the site. You cannot hinder your own removal. If you have an order removed from a federal judge and you try to hinder that removal, that is a crime. We're going to start prosecuting you if you're for it. So that will put you in jail. Prosecutor puts you removal, that is a crime. We're gonna start prosecuting if you're for it. So that will put you in jail, prosecutor puts you out, then we'll deport you. We're not playing games anymore.

So we're out there, like I say, sanctuary's hitting them hard and we're gonna hit them harder. We're gonna keep coming. The media and these leftist politicians and these activist judges. To this day, I've never seen the activist judges I see right now when you have a district court judge, district court judge, which means he has a district,

putting in nationwide injunctions across the entire nation what we can and can't do. Every time we make progress, another judge says you can't do it. We're in so much litigation right now. It's incredible. You know, they all want, boy, there's a legal process, there's a due process, but there was no legal process. They ignore the legal process, the due process when they enter it illegally. They didn't use the legal process then, but all of a sudden now that we're deporting people, where's the legal process? Where's the due process? It's just, the amount of lawsuits they've already filed against the administration, it's just more than the last 10 years combined, it's just incredible.

The amount of lawsuits we're facing right now, we'll win them, but it slows us down. And that's what their whole intention, slow us down, because we don't want to ruin their long-term plans. Who these people may be someday. Well, you know, true to democratic votes. I mean, I've never seen anything like this in my career. I mean, with 10.5 million illegal immigrants that have come across the border within the last four years, and then you come in to clean that up. Where do you even begin?

Well, President Trump made a clear role for public safety threats, national security threats first, and that's what we've been doing. But again, the collateral numbers are increasing because of sanctuary cities, but it's a hard job. I can't tell you everything we do to find these cities but it's hard it's hard job. I can't tell you everything we do to find these people because law enforcement sensitive but like I said earlier a lot of people have a footprint that makes it one way but there's a lot of smart technology out there help us find people. But sanctuary cities are hard.

What agencies? Because these people are actually in custody at one point. We know who they are. Here's what people don't understand. If you get arrested tonight, you're going to get fingerprinted. And those fingerprints go to NCIC. Check for your criminal history. Well, they also bounce against DHS databases.

So we know for a fact John Ryan just got arrested he's sitting in Smith County jail right now. That was a long time ago So then we get bumped back if we have immigration record Hey this guy who has a warrant or deportation or this guy we deported before is sitting in this jail right now. So we should detain her. Say, hey, we want that guy when you're done with him.

So we know where they're at. But when Sanctuary City's released them down in the community, now we gotta go find them. So it's very hard work, but there's a lot of smart technology out there right now to help us find these people. But it's not 100%. smart technology out there right now to help us find these people. But it's not 100%. I mean, many times, you know, we go out and they move, they change their name and, you know,

it's just, it's a lot of hard work. But I guess my point is, when people see us out there, we're not just, we're not sweeping anything. We have a, we spend a lot of time and effort looking at these people and building a file on these people so we increased the chance that we actually find this guy and arrest him. It's not a simple process. It's a long, drawn-out process, but it'd be so much more efficient if you just give

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why not give him to us when you're done with him? And you got sheriffs out there, well, we can't either detain him, we can't hold him for 48 hours on your word because there's some legal precedent that can't be done. If we don't hold him for 40 hours, why don't you call us before you release him? We'll be there.

You don't have to hold him a minute that you would normally hold them. Just let us know when you release them. We'll be there. It's about public safety. And I've called the sheriff's out who refused to cooperate with us. I think they forgot what it's like being a law enforcement officer and became a politician. It's just Mayor Adams, you know, I beat Mayor Adams up for three years. Well, he was a career cop that became a mayor

and forgot what it's like to be a cop. And his cops were being beat up by illegal aliens and he still wasn't assisting with ICE. Then I went up and met with him a few times, you know, through the election process and after the election. And for the first time I sat down, I saw the cop come out of him and he said, you know what, you're right, public safety threats we should be shoulder to shoulder. I need to get you in Rikers Island. You're us a bad guy in Rikers Island rather than being released back to the streets of

New York. So we got him to the table, he's doing the right thing and the city council sues him for working with me, for working with ICE. It's just incredible. How many agencies are collaborating with you guys to get this done? Right now the nationwide interior enforcement operations, President Trump has a hollow government approach first time ever and it's amazing. We got ICE, which is HSI and the IRO enforcement and removal operations.

We got the DEA, we got the FBI, we got ATF, you got the US Marshals, you got the State Department. I think the postal inspectors are coming on, but for sure it's all the DOJ agencies. And what's great about it, agencies and what's great about it we rest the illegal alien target and he has dope DA's right there you can prosecute him before we deport him if you know he got a gun at ATF right there prosecute him illegal alien possession of firearm 922g felony prosecute him then we deport him it's great plus they have their own intelligence right DA has a lot of numerous investigations that involve foreign nationals. So they're sharing intelligence with us.

FBI, same thing, numerous investigations of foreign nationals. All of our intelligence, our databases collide with one. We all got there working and it's been amazing. President Trump's a game changer. Putting DOD on the border with us. Pete Hicks has said it best that we spent decades defending other nations borders, now we're defending ours. I want to get to the to the actual border here in a bit but when it comes to the economy, and I'm just curious to hear your thoughts here.

There's such a big sector of the economy that relies on cheap labor, illegal immigration, home builders, commercial builders, landscaping, just about all the blue collar jobs in that sector seem to be illegal immigrants. And so I'm sure because of the mass deportations that the prices are going to rise. And something that I hear a lot of are business owners that are that they're trying to they're trying to get their workforce legal and put them through that system and they're they're not able to do it is there any or do you think there should be any type of program to fast track people that are just

here to work, keeps business flowing, keeps prices a little bit less than what they would be? I mean, is there any type of program where construction types can get their workforce legalized? Well, first of all, let me tell you my thoughts after doing this for four years. My opinion is most people who don't hire an illegal alien are the goodness of their heart.

They're hard on clients. Work them harder, pay them less, and undercut their competition who have just said it's employees. I'll give you one example. I put a new roof in my house several years ago. I had to call five different companies, five or six, I think five, until I got a new roof in my house several years ago. I had to call five different companies, five or six, I think five, until I got a company to guarantee me

a legal workforce. We had a lot of people come and give me bids. One guy showed up. It was him and his son. They were hoping they could just do a repair and I'd do the whole roof. I said I need the whole roof. He told me he had 20 US citizen employees. They put on a roof at 15, 20 bucks an hour. But he couldn't win a bit.

Because the other companies that aren't illegal aliens put them on a roof for five, seven dollars an hour. Ridiculous wages. He couldn't win a bid. So what did he do? He laid off 20 citizen employees and him and son just doing repairs. That happens a thousand times across this country every day.

Because you undercut the competition as you're a citizen and illegal employment drives down wages. That's proven. So with that, I can tell you that it will have an impact on some industries, especially now that we're doing worksite enforcement operations. But Biden administration shut down

worksite enforcement operations. At the same time, we had the biggest human trafficking crisis in the history of this nation. Where do we find most victims of trafficking? Workforce operations. And like I said, where do we find a lot of bad guys if we can't arrest them in the jail? At their job. We can't arrest them at home, arrest them at their jobs. We're doing work site enforcement

operations. But there's some industries that really rely on them. I think President Trump made it clear just a few weeks ago that farm workers, he wants to you know increase the program that allows more people to come to this country to work on farms. It's H2A, H2B program. Congress needs to make a fix. What needs to happen is Department of Labor needs to ascertain if there's truly a need for employment to make sure there's not US citizens willing to take those jobs.

So Congress has a role here. I think President Trump's looking at that sector to try to provide help. So it's a common sense approach. And that's why I think he's concentrated on public safety threats, national security threats first while they work out some of these other plans. But under Trump 45, he put an immigration plan on the table that based immigration in this country based on merit, what they can bring to this country as far as work. Also he, but he still kept mom's dad, sons and daughters in there on the family.

It's a great plan. I was involved and looked at it. Parts I didn't, weren involved in, I looked at. What happened? Congress didn't bring it up. Why? Because the plan required money for a wall. He had a fix for DACA.

Got shut down by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Why? Because there was money in for the wall. So President Trump, again, is putting things on the table, I think would be very beneficial. If there was a need for that employment, then we should have those employees, but it has to go through a process

to make sure we're not displacing US citizen employees. A lot of high tech jobs are going to outside companies from foreign nations. During the time where there's not enough US citizen employees to take those high tech jobs, we could pay them jobs. There just needs to be a process. But President Trump started the other day talking about farm work,

we needed to really pay attention on farms because there is a need for more employment on farms, but they need to go through the legal process, and there is a legal process, could be improved, but there is a legal process, H2A program, you can bring farm workers in on a seasonal basis to come and, for for instance pick crops during the season then go back home when they're done with the season so there's some more work to do on that

but that's why i think president trump is concentrating on the criminals right now would you would you like to see would you like to see the red tape ease up a little bit when it comes to doing something like this of course congress is congress can fix a lot of things. Just like I told you earlier, there's three laws they can fix right now that will solve 85% of the border problem. That way, every administration that comes in doesn't have to undo what the other one did. What are those laws?

Trafficking Victims Act, as we talked about, the asylum rules, and the Flores-Sundermagrimm, let us detain families in residential centers, those three rules alone. Well, Congress can't seem to get anything done. I mean, funding right now, I mean, we're doing great work. With more money, we could do more. I mentioned 700,000 illegal aliens with some sort of criminal history, either convicted or pending criminal charges. With more money, we could put more teams out there.

Everybody we arrest to deport, we need a bed for it. We need more beds. So Congress needs to fund what I call a mandate from American people that put him in office to do. Congress needs to fund us. And it's the same old budgeting process, right? Under Trump 45, Trump tried to do the right thing. The first two years he had the House and Senate.

A lot of things couldn't get done because there's some Republicans on the Hill and never Trumpers didn't want to do the right thing. So I don't have a lot of faith in him. I'm hoping they learn a lesson now that we have the House and Senate. Right now we got two years to make a difference because who knows what's going gonna happen in two years.

You never count on anything. But Congress needs to step up. A lot of these problems could be solved by Congress. But until then, President Trump has stepped up. Again, the game changer. He's issued a series of executive orders that gave us the most secure border in the history of this nation right now.

That's given us more criminal arrest in the interior than Biden ever did. So we're doing really good. But with more money, we can do more and do it quicker. Congress got a lot of things they could address. When it comes to the deportations, there's a very controversial case with the El Salvadorian guy, who he was an El Salvadorian citizen, correct? Yes. What is the controversy there? who, he was an El Salvadorian citizen, correct? Yes.

What is the controversy there? The controversy is during his immigration proceedings, he had an order from a judge that he couldn't be removed to El Salvador because he showed a fear of his safety from a gang that was in El Salvador. He had an order of withholding. However, he had two orders of deportation. Now, people say it was a mistake. I'd call it maybe an oversight because even though there's withholding order in there, the facts of that withholding order, the facts that justified the withholding order had changed. For instance, that gang he was afraid of no longer exists in El Salvador. Oh, that's interesting.

Second thing, because President Bukele, like him or love him, that's one of the safest nations in the region right now. What he did, he obliterated MS-13 in his station. The second thing that changed, the fact that changed, is now he's a designated terrorist because he's a verified member of MS-13. So things changed since the remote. Number one, now he's a designated terrorist. And two, the fear he has no longer exists. So, and here's what's going to,

here's what the best that could ever happen for him. Let's say he came back. He's going to be immediately detained and deported again. Because there's deport... He's been already deported by two different judges. They said he didn't have due process. He's been already removed by two different judges. He said, there's due process.

So, the way I see it, he's home. He's a citizen and national values to Alredor, he is home. And Bukele can do what he wants. I won't get in the weeds of, you know, because it's under litigation, but I think we removed the public safety threat, human trafficker, wife beater, designated terrorist from this country. This country is safer because he's no longer here. And we'll let the DOJ continue to litigate it, but President Trump again committed to removing the worst of the worst, and that's what we did. And he was an El Salvadorian citizen. Absolutely.

And he was verified MS-13? Verified by numerous sources. Not only ICE but by a police agency, gang unit, judge recognized it, even El Salvador recognized him as a 13th member. So you know, plus now the truth's coming out right video of him trafficking, smuggling, wife filing, protection orders, because he's assaulting her. It's unfortunate that Senator Van Hollen and others flew down there to cuddle with him. At the same time, he had US citizen parents in his state of Maryland who buried their children,

because their children were murdered and raped by a TDA member, MS-13 member. I would think a US citizen would be more concerned with his US citizen constituency who buried their children more than a designated terrorist, public safety threat, white beater, illegal alien. But that's where we're at today. We're putting politics over public safety, politics over common sense. Mary, you need news reports how we're deporting US citizen children.

We can't legally deport any US citizen. What happened in those cases? They said we deported US citizen children. No, we didn't. The parent was already deported. The parent has a decision to make. Do I take my child with me? Do I leave him here with a spouse or another relative?

That's parenting 101. The mother chose to take her child with her, her choice. If we didn't do it, then the story would be we're separating families. You can't win. Well, that's- To go back to this day, they still, you know, they refer to me as the godfather of family separation, right? Because when I was ice director, we did zero tolerance where families were separated. And let me explain why we did that. Numbers were increasing.

Families. So we said, all right, let's start prosecuting the parent who brings your child through this dangerous journey, prosecuting for illegal entry, which is a crime. Maybe we prosecute them and put them in jail. They'll stop sneaking in the country to the cartels and put their children in harm's way. Maybe it would decrease the amount of

rapes we see down there. Maybe less children would die so we decided to do zero tolerance. Zero tolerance was done to save lives, decrease sexual assaults. As a cop, law enforcement used zero tolerance across this country all the time. July 4th weekend, zero tolerance in DUI. Zero tolerance and prostitution in the city. Law enforcement use zero tolerance. Let's try zero tolerance. Maybe we save some lives. Maybe less women get raped. However, when you prosecute that parent, they're going to be separated from the child. The child can't go to jail with a parent. Now that happens to US citizens' families across this country every day thousands of times.

When I was a cop in New York, I separated families. I arrested a father for DUI. I had a child in the car. Guess what? The father went to jail, and many times the child would go to CPS if it wasn't someone to take care of him. Domestic violence, I separate that family out of Scott. My other one's a DL, separated from his kids.

US citizen families get separated every day by law enforcement. It's sad. It's unfortunate but necessary. So when we did Zero Talents, the whole focus of Zero Talents in my mind was less rapes, less people dying, less children put in harm's way. And it worked. Zero Thomas did border crossing trap. So Homan's a racist, he's cruel because he separated families. That's why we did it. Now you've got 500,000 children who are smuggling this country away

from their families, putting the hands of criminal cartels. So that's the family separation right there. If I left my kid in the car for half an hour, wouldn't have got groceries, I'd be arrested. If I left my dog in my car during summertime, I'd get arrested. But 500,000 children were put in the hands of criminal cartels, separated from their families. No one talks about that. They still want to talk about zero their families, no one talks about that.

They still want to talk about zero tolerance, but no one talks about these half a million kids. 300,000 they can't find. 300,000 kids they can't find. They don't want to talk about that. They want to keep talking about Trump's zero tolerance for, I think, 25,000 to 3,000 separations. They don't want to talk about the hundreds of angels and moms and dads that I personally met and talked to. Who buried their children.

Their children were raped and murdered by a cartel or just simply killed by an illegal alien that shouldn't be in this country. That's a separation because they buried their children their children are six foot under No one wants to talk about that the left keeps talking about zero Talisman how he knew inhumane the Trump policies were but they ignore half a million kids 300,000 missing and Your citizen parents who bury their children Like the case of Lake and Riley I I can see her name on a hundred cases like that. They don't want to talk about that. And then Senator Van Hollen goes down there

to protect the MS-13 gamer while a mother of five was beat, raped, and murdered in his state. Did you ever go meet with her? Politics over public safety, politics over common sense. Again, I'll say it, they need to love this country. They need to love their communities more than they hate President Trump. It just don't make sense. As a kid that grew up in law enforcement community, I cannot believe where we're at as a nation right now. President Trump is doing the right thing every day.

Look, I spent so much time with the President, whether it's in the Oval Office, Air Force One, outside events, people can hate him all they want. This man loves this country. He's doing the right thing for this country. The America we grew up in, the America I grew up in, West Carthage and New York, a flag in our reports, that's the America he wants back. Securing a border saves lives. He has immigration down 96%. Studies have been done that women who make that journey get sexually, 31% of women get sexually assaulted.

When President Trump has immigration down 96%, when 96% less people are coming. How many women aren't being raped? How many children aren't dying? How many Americans aren't dying from drug overdoses or fatten up across that border? How many women and children aren't sex trafficked? How many members of the terrorist watch list or no flyfly lists aren't coming across that border. Even the wall saves lives. People say Trump's vanity wall. No, every place they

build a border barrier illegal immigration went down, illegal drug flow went down. Every place they put a border barrier. The most important thing about border barrier no one talks about, it saves lives because the most vulnerable, the women and children can't get over that wall Which means they're going to do a place where there's not a wall what's waiting on them the men and women the border patrol Who's going to deal with that humanitarian issue right now to the bottom are in bad shape when they find them Wall saves lives so in 96 percent less people coming how many lives are being saved every day in that Southwest border? President Trump saving thousands of lives

are being saved every day in that Southwest border. President Trump's saving thousands of lives. A secure border saves lives, and that's what the President Trump has done. And the latter will give him zero credit for it. How did you come in and secure that border so fast? We got a great president. President Trump, during his first speech at the Capitol, when he says, you didn't need new dollars,

you didn't need Congress, you need a new president, he was exactly right. Because on Trump 45, he was a game changer, right? He created the Remain in Mexico program. He had the Third Safe Country agreements. He thought it ended catch and release. So we, I knew when he came back in office, we know where to start,

because we already proved these policies worked. So he immediately wrote a series of executive orders. You know, and all, many the same, many new ones. And like I said, in seven weeks, we're at that board at highest level ever. Even more now. I mean, I think in seven weeks, I had it down like over 90% now, we're at 96%.

Damn. And the numbers are extraordinary, because what he came up with in his first administration proved it worked. That's why I pushed back against the bill that Congress had, it said that President Trump didn't want the board bill signed, because he wanted this to be an election issue. That is such bullshit. That bill would not have worked because it was going to allow, you know, five, four to 5,000 a day until they take action. You know, you do the math, that's 1.8 million a year.

We're okay with that? No, we're not. Shouldn't be okay with one. And then to address the sex trafficking or the child trafficking, the bill was terrible. There was a bill called H.R.2 that the Republicans came up with and the Senate wouldn't even take it up for debate. So the bill that everybody talks about, the President Trump shutdown, I hope he did. That was against it. I said it won't work. I said, why would we want to take a risk on a bill that we know won't work and we know what the secret recipe is, is what Trump did in Trump 45, which HR2, the bill I was talking

about that the Senate wouldn't even bring up, that had most of Trump's plans in it. We know that worked. Why would you argue against known success? Well, here's what they did. They put this terrible bill up, had a couple of people in the Republican Party support it for reasons I don't understand. They thought, terrible bill up, had a couple of people in the Republican Party support it for reasons I don't understand. They thought something was better than nothing maybe.

But they came up with the bill, the last of the administration, trying to show they cared about the border. What they did, it was a setup. Let's get a couple of Republicans to agree to this. It will never pass. We. It will never pass. We know it will never pass. Then we say, Republicans shut down border security. They didn't want to fix it.

They didn't sign this bill. President didn't support it. He didn't want it fixed. He wanted it to be an election issue. That was a bunch of crap. The bill would never have worked. It would have made things worse. And I've done it longer than anybody up on the hill

that was involved in writing this bill has been involved. It was a setup. Let's set a bill up we know it never be passed and we can put the blame on them for not passing the bill. That was a game plan. They tried it but President Trump came back in he did what he had to do and we fixed it. Again, most secure border ever right now. So it sounds like he basically just said, Tom, take the gloves off. What, secure the border, what did you do? What did you do to fix it? The biggest game changer in securing the border was President Trump and his executive orders.

They were huge big game changers. But we basically went down the same road we did before. And we added a few other things to it, like the Alien Emmys Act. We used every two in the toolbox. Every statue we could, every angle we could of existing laws, existing statutes, existing acts to secure that border. We rather than making a board patrol problem or an ICE problem, we made all a government problem. The game changer, president Trump, the game changer was men and women, ice and men and women, the board of patrol that actually did it, got it, got it,

known to construction, got it done. They're the heroes in all this. I'm just a guy sitting in the White House, helping develop the strategies and all these people like Steve Miller and others, but, uh, president Trump, his EOs were a game changer from day one. Remain in Mexico a game changer. Out of all their policies, the last two administrations, Trump administration, that's the biggest game changer.

You can still claim asylum. You have that right, but you're going to late Mexico. We know nine out of 10 of you will lose and get order removal, and now we don't have to go find you. And releasing people in the United States just is an enticement of people to come. When you long get released in the United States, if you're not really escaping fear and persecution, you're not willing to give your life savings to the criminal cartels to lose your case. If you really are escaping fear and persecution from your home government, then you're willing to put up with that.

So, you know, here's a sad thing. Where the left is still saying, you know, these people are asylum seekers. They have a right to due process. They have a right to claim asylum. Okay. And nine out of 10 been already removed and you don't want them removed.

Due process doesn't mean squat. If at the end of due process that judges order isn't executed And that's why the hate right now that the talk of a massive deportation operation is racist What a terrible thing to do No It's not on the end of historic illegal migration crisis with ten point five minute and that's a low number came to the son of This is what we know about, tens of millions of people come to the border, you demand due process and we give them that due process, and a judge orders them removed and we don't remove them? Then what the hell are we doing? Shut down the immigration court, doesn't

mean anything anymore. Take the border patrol off the border because there's no consequence. No. Due process doesn't mean squat if the final decision of the court isn't executed. If the message we want to send to the whole world, enter the country legally, it's a crime, thousands of people die making the journey, show up in court or don't show up in court, get order removed, but don't worry, no one's looking for you, you don't have to be removed. You're never going to solve the problem. You can't demand due process and ignore the end. So that's exactly what we're doing. People who've been already deported, they need to go home. But we're asking, if you're in the country, where you go on your own.

Go on the CBP Home app now. Sign up, we'll help you get home. We'll give you an airline ticket, put some cash in your pocket, go home. There'll be a huge cost savings to American taxpayers. That way you can come back maybe in the future on a legal program, maybe as a visitor, maybe as a student. Maybe you have a US citizen child that can petition for you someday, alien relative. But if we have to go search for you and go to your whole process having you formally deported There's certain bars placed on you statutorily anywhere from five to twenty years. You can't come back

Leave on your own Get your affairs in order work with ice and leave on your own and that's what President Trump's in How is that inhumane? President Trump's offering different ways to get this done. But the answer is you can't stay here if you're in the country illegally. You've had to due process, it's time to leave. We can't send a message that our process means nothing, our laws mean nothing. I would imagine you're getting a lot of pushback from cartels.

I mean, very much disrupting their financials with human trafficking, with drug trafficking, with anything else that's coming in. How is, what kind of hurdles are you facing from cartels down there? Well, the cartels are trying to, you know, they're going to change their method of operation. They want to get their product in here somehow. So I said earlier, you know, maritime is increasing. There can be tunnels. They'll come through Canada.

You know, again, we're on top of it. I think that's why President Trump is forcing Canada to do more to secure their southern border, our northern border. And they're stepping up some ways. Like the president wants more out of them. But addressing how the cartels change their method of operation is important. Are you seeing a lot of drone activity with product coming over?

Yeah. Drone activity is picking up, and there's a lot of technology, DOD has some great technology along with it. There's a lot of companies out there at the table now with great drone technology to address that threat There was some tell us from reports and they're going to deliver explosives and drones and try to harm us

If that was ever to happen All hell's gonna break loose mm-hmm the president Trump will not tolerate Are you guys from day one he will wipe them off the face the earth and he will. He's already trying to talk to Mexico, let's take the cartels out together. I think you and I both know it's gonna take the United States, it'll take this country, whether it's special forces, our intelligence or whatever it is, they're not gonna do it without, they can't.

Mexico has failed for decades to take out the cartels. It's gonna take leadership from the United States I hope Mexico comes to the table and because President Trump what wants to Wipe them off face to earth like he did a caliphate me. He wants to do the right thing I hope Maxwell steps up and lets us do it because that's that's the only way it's gonna get done in my opinion Are you guys utilizing? Companies, are you familiar with EPROS? No, I'm not.

EPROS is that anti-drone? I can tell you that numerous drone operators have contacted me about helping on the border and I send them over to CBP, Custom Border Operations. I don't deal with contracts, but I send them over to the right people. I know they talked to a lot of people. They got some great technology down there now.

Again, as we get more budget from Congress, we can do more of that. But there's a lot of great companies out there that has great technology. I've said it from day one. We could not do what we do as a whole. The government without smart contract personnel. It's like our detention operations. Our contract companies do it better than we've ever done. They do it cheaper, they do it better.

Out of those life strikes, my most expensive beds were the ones that we owned. Probably the government doesn't do anything very cheap. There's a lot of smart companies out there coming to the table. Of course, the left will say, well, they're prisoners for hire, prisoners for profit.

There isn't a company out there that doesn't work for the government for a profit. I mean, you know, if that's the case, then shut down McDonald Douglas. You know, every company makes a profit dealing with the United States, but they provide the service we need. But I can tell you, there's a lot of high tech companies. It seems like technology improves every other month. Great drone technology, great tunnel technology, helping us find people that don't want to be found, great AI generated stuff. There's

a lot of stuff out there that a lot of companies are coming to the table wanting to help. So and we welcome all of it. Yeah, I mean, like, just EPROS, for example, I mean, it's a directed EMP pulse that takes 100 drones out at once if Cartel were to utilize that. And so I was just wondering if you're putting, if you're implementing that technology along the border, unmanned vehicles, the EPROS, energy wave weapon to take out drones, all that kind of stuff. How is DOD integrating with Border Patrol on the border?

It's been fantastic. They're doing a lot of intelligence backing for us. They do a lot of things that doesn't require immigration authority, a badge and gun. We've done 287- G with National Guard on the interior. My goal was, and the White House goal is, we need as many Title 8 immigration enforcement officers with a badge and gun, many of them on the street or on the line as possible. We don't want them sitting there doing intelligence. We don't want them sitting there, you know, building infrastructure or transportation, put the badge and guns where they're needed the most and bring other people in the other. I went down all paths to watch DOD down there in action. They're doing a lot of the intelligence.

They got great capability to tell them where the groups are crossing, where they're coming through, and war took response immediately to them they do a lot of the radar technology their camera technology they specifically call out to ice okay you got a group coming here there it just saves our resources because rather than our guy operating the sensor or operating the camera you got DOD doing that and that's just more agents on the street to respond quicker so they've been a great force multiplier. Of course, the DoD airplanes,

the removal flights have been fantastic. You know, DoD stepping up with facilities, Gitmo and things like that. DoD's been a game changer. And I went to El Paso with Pete Hexeth and he's all in. I mean, like I said, he told me that, you know, it's great that DOD is protecting our border now, because they protect everybody else's border for decades. It's a game changer.

When I go on the streets with ICE and I go to raids, because I like to get out there, I miss it. So I go out there to the raids once in a while. And rather than just seeing a jacket says ICE, I see a jacket say ATF, DEA, FBI, you know, State Department Department everybody's working together and The president Trump this time came back stronger and harder And I think that's why we had the greatest success right now because he brought all of government because again I think the overarching principle here. You can't have strong national security if

You don't have strong national security if you don't have strong board of security. We didn't know what's coming in, who's coming in, why it's coming in, where it's coming in. So I think President Trump recognizes that, so he put the all the government on there. And I can say today, we got the most secure board in history of this nation because of his out of the box thinking on this.

I think other administration are gonna be envious of the box thinking on this. I think other administration will be envious of the success that President Trump's had. Has there been any kinetic pushback from cartels? Is there any combat going on down at the border? There's combat going on in interior Mexico because now they're fighting each other for control of plazas because they're losing money so they want bigger control. There's been a battle going on down there for a while. You know, I hear

you read a lot about it. I know people that have that intelligence. My fear, as I mentioned before, my fear is that violence overlaps the border. I actually say a prayer every night for the men that went on the board to an ice to go home safe every day. Because I feel like it's a matter of time. I hope I'm wrong. But especially in sanctuary cities, where they're knocking on the door of a bad guy. We ask access who knows what. When he said it could have gotten him to county jail. I hope I'm wrong, but the odds of us doing this for four years with nobody being harmed, concerns me.

Our officers are at great risk because we are prioritizing the worst of the worst. And so many criminals came in under Biden. So many public safety threats, national security threats. I mean, our agents are being doxed. Pictures and home addresses being put out there. You know, I mean, I get docs every day. I mean, I'm used to it, but I had a thousand protesters on my home the other day. Thousand.

They're not gonna, you know, wasting our time. You can exercise your First Amendment rights all you want, but Tom Homer's gonna keep doing what he's doing. I'm not going anywhere. But the agents, I'm concerned about the agents and the media doesn't help. They call them thugs and they're violating people's rights

and they're violating civil rights and they're violating due process, a bunch of bullshit. These men and women are very well trained. And as one stepped online once more, yeah, you got bad dentists, you got bad doctors, you got bad lawyers, and I'm sure we have some bad officers that don't, here and there, but 99% of these men and women strap a gun to a hip every day, put a kevlar vest on,

and they don't make a lot of money. And they get vilified, just like the horse patrol did. They don't deserve that. But they got a president now rather than sitting at the White House Portland vilifying them for something they didn't do. You got a president who has her six. How is it working with the Mexican government? Are they on board? Are they helping at all? Mexico stepped up. I mean, they've put military on their board. They've agreed to remain in Mexico and stage progress. We got a tough president. He's not going to take no for an answer. You know, it's against the law of Mexico to traffic in women and children. They need to prosecute it.

It's against the law of Mexico to transit that country. If you're from another country, you're allowed a transit visa. But they allowed it. So President Trump, and Joe Biden could have done this. Strong president would do it. Strong president came in. He wasn't, he's not not gonna take no for an answer. You know, during Trump 45, I remember, you know, after Operation Matador, rest of all these El Salvador and MS-13 gang members on the way home on Air Force One, the president asked me how soon we can get them out. I told

him it's a long, drawn out process because El Salvador pushes back on return of criminals. I think it was two, three days later I got a call, how many planes can we fill up? President Carl Al Salvador says, you know, you're gonna take them back. You know, the third safe country agreements, they didn't want to sign those bills. The president held them accountable. Mexico, Trump 45, you know, he's saying you don't tear from him, you know. President Trump puts America first. So Mexico's helping. I don't know how much of this they want to help or how much they have to help because you got a strong president in the White House. I mean, I don't get, you know, that's Marco Rubio and the president

has those discussions, the vice president. I can just tell you the Mexico has a lot of resources on the border now and there's some intelligence are taking on some the fentanyl but we'll see what would you like to see DOD do would you like to see SOCOM JSOC units go into Mexico and rid theel? I won't get ahead of the president on that but I don't think the cartels are gonna go away without US involvement. President Trump did it, ISIS, we showed we're really good at the way game I think when it comes to criminal cartels we gotta at the way game. I think when it comes to criminal cartels, we got to play the way game. Stop the poison before it gets here.

Then of course in this side of the border, we got to address the drive, the need for drugs like that. We got to address that. We're customers. So, but do I think the criminal cartels are going to go away without our involvement? Absolutely not. I don't know. Mexico has failed decades to do it. And like I say, a lot of Mexicans corrupt. They run Mexico. I mean, they're infiltrating in every...

Much of the Mexican military is corrupt, much of the Mexican law enforcement is corrupt, much of the Mexican government is corrupt. And many of them don't want to be corrupt, but you take the payoff and do what we tell you to, we'll kill you and your family, and they will. So, you know, I think if we were to wipe the cartels off the face of the earth, Mexico would be such a better country. They'd be a safer country, a self-ruling country where cartels don't own the military and law enforcement, some government officials.

I think in the long run, Mexico would be such a better country than any of the cartels operating there. So I think President Trump did exactly the right thing, designated him terrorist. I think he's doing the right thing, offering Mexico his assistance in taking him out. Do you think we'll see any action in the next three and a half years?

I think that President Trump's gonna do what he can to protect American people. How is it working with Kristi Noem? Kristi Noem's come to the table. I mean, she's done more, I see her out there an awful lot. She's done more enforcement actions than Mallorca's done in four years.

So she's out there, she's, I saw her out there the other day taking on Governor Pritzker, which she had been taking care of. But she's out there working, I saw her doing ride alongs with ICE and Border Patrol and Coast Guard. So she's out there with the men and women on the front line,

which I think is great. I think it shows the men and women that she's supporting them. Of course, now she's being vilified, right women that she's supporting them. Of course, she's being vilified, right? So she's being attacked. I watched her hearing the other day. I thought she did great.

They want to attack. Anything to do with immigration enforcement, anything to do with deportations, they're just going to continue to attack and attack and attack. But again, we all expect to that. The media is saying that you're deporting US citizens. Is there any truth to that? No, it's illegal for your citizens We simply allow illegal alien parents to be deported to take if they want to take their child with them who may have been born Here, that's their decision. They can leave him here and take him with them. I mean, that's a that's pretty parenting one-on-one And like I said, you know, if we didn't know

the mother take her child with her, then immediately be saying, Trump administration is separating families again. We're trying to keep families together. I said it during the interview before the election. I was asked that question. How do you do a mass deportation operation while separating families?

This is deporting families together together if you're in this country legally and you know you're in the country legally and you choose to have a child here who's gonna be a US citizen based on that you put yourself in that position not Tom Homan not President Trump not the Trump administration you made that decision have a child while you're here. Knowing you're in the country illegally, and you're most likely to be deported. That's on you. So when that parent gets ordered deported, they have a choice to make.

They made a choice about having a child here, now you need to make a choice. Take the child with you as a parent, or leave him here with the other parent, or leave him here with a relative. That is your call. So it's parenting one-on-one. Let the parent make the decision. But for those that vilify us, no. They put themselves in that position, now they got to deal with it. Where do they even come up with this shit? Are they just making stories up in the air? Well, they say because you're a citizen children, one of the parents, we deported children. Absolutely not reported the children. And others are saying, well, the child Well, they say because you're a citizen children one of the parents we deported children

Absolutely not report the children and others saying why the child wasn't given due process. What mean due process? They're an infant The mother says my infant goes with me Who's going to disagree with that she's the mother So, you know, like to say the last administration want to attack zero tolerance separating families this time we're trying to keep families together where we can't do that either I mean we're doing the right thing parenting one-on-one I mean again if we send the message you can enter the

country legally you can order removed don leave. Hide out for a few years, have a US citizen child and guess what? Now you're immune. That court order doesn't mean anything. You're immune from our laws. If that's the message we're going to send the whole world, you're never going to solve the problem. We're going to keep coming to this country, have a US citizen child and you're good to go.

That's the message we can't send. Having you a citizen child does not make you immune from our laws. Where do you go from here? I mean you've secured it to 96. We've got a little more work to do on the border and you know it's still a crisis until we you know, there are some gotaways we're concerned about. Who are they? Are they people from terrorist related country?

We don't know. So we gotta drill some things, drill down some of the things. Northern border needs more work, maritime needs more work. But right now we've got the most secure border in the history of the nation right now. So we've got some more work to do. Gotta play the way game more.

We need to address the cartels outside this country who traffic people from all over the world. We got to shut them down. So we got to play the way game. Interior enforcement, we got a lot of work to do. Personally, I think there's over 20 million illegal aliens in this country. They keep saying 12 million.

We've been using 12 million for two decades. I mean, by administration alone, we know they release at least six to seven million released. So, you know, I think there's at least 20. We got a lot of work to do here. Get them to concentrate on the worst first. But just because, let me make this clear, just because we're concentrating on the worst first,

doesn't mean we ignore everybody else. You know? I may prioritize my family life or my work life, I don't forget about my work life. If you're in the country legally, you got a problem. You're not off the table. But we're going to do this wise, we're going to do it smart way. Once the public safety threats and national security threats

are the biggest danger to our community, so of course you have to go first. So we got more of interior enforcement work to do. We need to shut down sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities should be illegal. And I think we've got the right people in place now with this administration and Pam Bondi and others. We'll take sanctuary cities to task, take them to court. We've got to shut down progressive judges who simply

are ignoring the law and trying to stop us from doing what we're doing. I think we'll win these cases when we get to higher courts, but it's just, it's going to take a long time. Well, we see a completion to the wall that was... We're already rebuilding the wall. Again, the more money we have, the more wall we can do. So again, we need Congress to fund us.

The more money we have, the more we can do. Where are the strategic locations where you would start with the wall? The border has a strategic plan based on the crossings, based on where they think where traffic has historically come and where they're seeing dial, what the fuel coming across, that plan changes all the time based on intelligence, based on what they're finding out down south. So that changes all the time, but they just don't put a wall up here because it's cheaper. They don't put a wall up here because someone wants a wall there. Bortro actually has a strategic plan built on intelligence and crossings Information from the smuggling cartels about where their activities are switching to then they'll place a wall or makes more sense. I

Don't want to give specifics because a specific change next month. Gotcha Well, there's you know, there's there's places where the wall can't be built right like in the national parks We won't need more technology there because you can't build a wall like this. There are some areas where there's natural cliffs. That's where you put anti-drone technology and more technology. What the Biden administration did when they stopped building the wall, even some of the wall that was built, they wouldn't even finish the technology inside that wall. Smart technology that allowed agents to communicate, allows agents to run quick record checks. You know, you approach that wall, you dig under that wall, you climb that wall, well no. There's a lot of technology in that wall. They stop the technology in that wall. There's places on

the border where agents can't talk to one another. So not only do we got to finish technology in some of the existing wall, but we're building more smart wall. Smart wall, it's a wall system. It's just not a wall. A lot of technology in that wall. You got access to that wall, pathways, is that way just to respond quickly. So there's a lot to it, but we're already starting to rebuild it.

We're also putting, I think, right, we're already doing 75 miles of buoy barriers in the river, which are very effective. What are those? They're buoys that float in the middle of the Rio Grande and almost impossible to get over. And underneath it, there's a fencing underneath it goes all the way to the soil. It's a game changer. On Trump 45, we looked at that technology. We liked it.

Of course, then the election happened, never happened. But now I think they're putting 75 miles of it and more. And that's right on the water. So people stop. They see the barrier. Most will not attempt to cross, which means less drowned. A lot of people drown in that river every year. So when they see that barrier, it saves lives.

And less people want to take that barrier out. I mean, a lot of illegal aliens die in that river. People think that river doesn't have a current, you're wrong. Hundreds of people die in that river every year. Not now, because the more secure. Well, the Trump administration, now when you see people drown, they find dead bodies all the time. People just die across the river. Most of the, a lot of people can't swim.

What is the, it's just a personal question, BORTC? I've heard a lot about it, can't get anybody to talk about it. Seems like they're extremely well trained, almost like a JSOC unit. What is the mission of Bortek? They're kind of a Bortek squad team. They're badass. That's what I hear. These guys are good. I mean, I was never in Bortek when I was in Bortek. I wasn't good enough. These guys are well-trained, great shots, great with a firearm. Now they're into rappelling and jumping on an airplane with a parachute. These guys have really increased

their training. They're incredible. Is it within the US border they operate or do they go into Mexico too? They don't operate within Mexico. They do operate in the border in the interior. In my home state, New York, a couple of prisoners escaped from Danemora State Prison. They looked for them for a long time, couldn't find them. They brought Bortek in there. They found the first guy, well they actually shot and killed the first one. Second one was a later call. Oh, he had a prisoner escape in the jail about two years ago.

Couldn't find a board show. Board attacks are good. They're well trained and it all started back in my day. I was a board trainee in Campo while I was working down in the San Diego area, Tijuana area. That's what they called the border bandit squad, because bandits would work the border and they'd rip people off heading to the United States, take all their money, take

their goods, rape women. So you had border bandits that were operating. So we had a border bandit patrol, which board patrol, special operations along with local sheriffs. Took a lot of those, they don't board bandits out. There's a lot of armed conflicts, a lot of shootings. But board attack is, I would call it the SWAT team of the board of patrol. And they're very, very well trained. Well, Tom, we're wrapping up the interview here.

Last question. Second to last question. I just want to know, is there anything we didn't cover that you want the American people to know? I don't want the American people to know that, you know, the Trump administration, unlike what the media is pushing, is not inhumane. Everybody in this group is trying to save lives. As I said earlier, the Secure Board saves lives. We're looking for 300,000 children in the Biden administration, at least in the country, to sponsor them on property vetted.

Everybody in this program right now knows what it's like to see children forced sex trafficking or forced labor. I've seen a lot of tragedy in my life and I'm simply trying to prevent as much of that tragedy as possible to secure border sex lives. I get called a lot of names, I don't care. I don't give a shit what people think about me. I don't care. I don't give a shit what people think about me. I don't. Laws of my family, my Lord and Savior think I'm doing the right thing, then I'm good. The hate doesn't mean anything. The protesters, I love them. That means my message is getting out. That means you're over the target. We're saving lives every day.

Secure border saves lives. Illegal migration is not a victim's crime. People, you see an illegal alien, you say, okay, well, he would make a better life for himself and his family. He's working maybe in a restaurant or something. But you don't understand the whole ugly underbelly of what happens with these criminal cartels, what happens on that border. Illegal migration is not a victim's crime.

The system needs to be fixed. But until then, we can't allow people to come into this country unvetted. We can't allow the border to be a crime zone for 2,000 months, just can't allow that. A lot of bad things happen on that border, a lot of bad things come across that border. And with the Trump administration, I'm proud to say,

again, I'll say a thousand times a day, the most secure border in the history of the nation today because of leadership President Trump and the men and women wearing that uniform. Man, that's good to hear. So I like to, I've read all these stories about border patrol ICE agents, you know, for your viewers. If you see a border patrol agent, tell them thank you. Because they're getting vilified every day by the media. a board of 3 o'clock this morning, you're gonna be laying in bed, I'm gonna be laying in bed, hopefully we'll be sleeping next to our loved one.

At the same time, you got a morgue agent standing on a dirt trail in the middle of nowhere because the sensor went off. So something's coming north on that dirt trail. They don't know, is it illegal alien look for a better life or is a heavily armed drug smuggler they don't know they're gonna take it out I know because I've done it I've stood in that dirt trails of barter placement shit in your pants wondering what's coming but they're gonna stay in there and take it out they're doing this every night while we sleep, keeping this country safe.

Men with ice, they're getting vilified every day in the media. Every mile away, covering all these stories about ice age, how terrible they are. People need to remember the ice agents and board relations, their mothers and fathers too. They don't hang their heart on a hook when they go to work. They've seen a lot of bad things happen that they take home to them every day. They take sicknesses home to their families, whether it's TB, they get TB screenings all the time,

they take sicknesses. These men in the boardroom, they actually bring toys from their families to bring them to children to play with while they're in the facilities. They really do care. They really do have a great heart. Under the last four years on Biden administration,

the record amount of board employees that committed suicide was highest ever. At over 40, I believe. Now, I don't know, whatever internal struggles they were having, giving CPR to babies, talking about a girl who's been raped, finding dead bodies floating down the river,

seeing how these criminal cartels treated these people, certainly weighed on them to the point they took their own lives. These men and women are heroes, and I hope the American people understands they're heroes, recognize them the American people understands your heroes. Recognize them as heroes and thank them. That's all I ask for. I mean, I'll retire again, hopefully for the last time, but I'll always have the six of these men and women, because I was one of them, I know what it takes, through the nation's finest.

Our military and our first responders are America's minus 1%. I hope people recognize that. Two Americans. It's a great closing statement, thank you. Last question. If you had three people you'd like to see on the show, who would it be? President Trump.

You on him? You bet. I think President Trump, I think he's again, people have their opinions. Guys that does what I do, greatest president Proven success on the border John Roberts Get him any show and figure him out all right third It's what say, we already had him. Stephen Miller. We'll reach out. Stephen Miller has a great mind. He's just brilliant. And not just with immigration, trade, I mean just a

smart guy. I think he'd have an interesting conversation. I would love that. Maybe you can help me reach him. Perfect. I'll see him in the morning. All right. Well Tom, I just want to say it was an honored interview and he had Seth number four Pete had Seth I'll work on him. He's been on before he has so it's President Trump, but I'll do it. Yeah, when was President Trump on I Think it was I Think it was August No, you gotta get now. All right I think it was August. No, you gotta get him now.

Alright. Look at what he's doing. Putting in a word for me. Look what he's doing right now. Now you need to talk to him. Alright. It's changing the world. We'll do what we can.

Right on. Alright. Well thank you so much again and, uh, man, you're just, you're crushing it. And, uh, Appreciate you, man. It's good to see you.

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