Shawn Ryan Show - #255 Ryan Montgomery – Roblox & Minecraft: Hacker Exposes the Largest Online Video Games

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Ryan Montgomery is a renowned ethical hacker, penetration tester, and cybersecurity expert, ranked #1 on TryHackMe's Capture The Flag leaderboard. Founder of Pentester, a cybersecurity platform based in Boca Raton, Florida, that provides all-in-one tools for vulnerability scanning, data breach detection, and risk mitigation. As Chief Technology Officer of the Sentinel Foundation, he leverages advanced technology and collaboration with law enforcement to combat child exploitation and human trafficking globally. He is known for infiltrating dark web sites to expose child predators and demonstrating live captures on podcasts. With over 19 years in the field, including roles in business development and enterprise creation, he specializes in ethical hacking, data protection, and online safety. Montgomery advocates for child safety, elevating cybersecurity standards, and using innovative tech to protect vulnerable populations and dismantle predatory networks. Join the Waitlist - https://theglacierapp.com/waitlist Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://psyopshow.com ⁠https://callofduty.com⁠ - Buy Black Ops 7 Now ⁠https://psyopshow.com⁠ ⁠https://americanfinancing.net/srs⁠ NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 866-781-8900, for details about credit costs and terms. ⁠https://betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/srs and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://bubsnaturals.com⁠ – USE CODE SHAWN ⁠https://bruntworkwear.com⁠ – USE CODE SRS ⁠https://calderalab.com/srs⁠ Use code SRS for 20% off your first order. ⁠https://shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://helixsleep.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://prizepicks.onelink.me/lmeo/srs⁠ ⁠https://ROKA.com⁠ – USE CODE SRS ⁠https://shopify.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes⁠ ⁠https://trueclassic.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://USCCA.com/srs Ryan Montgomery Links: Website - https://ryanmontgomery.me X - https://x.com/0dayCTF IG - https://www.instagram.com/0day YT - https://www.youtube.com/@0dayCTF Pentester - https://pentester.com Sentinel Foundation - https://www.instagram.com/sentinelfoundation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ryan Montgomery. Sean Ryan. Welcome back to the show, man. Thank you, man. I can't believe I am back in a good way. What's it been, like, two years? Three years. Has it been three years?

Three years, yeah. Lots of happened. You got me thinking, is it two years? I think it's three. It's three. Is it really? Yeah. Lots has happened since you came on here, man.

A lot. For both of us, it seems. Oh, yeah. Yeah, look at this studio, man. It's unbelievable. I've been dying to show you. I couldn't wait to see it. And, I mean, for the people that can't see the whole thing in real life,

a video is not going to capture how awesome this is. It doesn't matter what kind of camera you use or how you have 360 angle. It doesn't matter what you use. I've seen the last studio, which was awesome within itself. And then this one, it's a lot of it. like two or three times as big just the studio area alone i can't talk about the rest of the property but the rest of the property is sick uh like beyond belief sick and super happy for you and not in a demeaning way but proud of you and uh i'm very grateful to be back well thank you man you were a

huge part of this you know that you know been um and uh dude i'm fucking proud of you too man Like, you know, just a recap for anybody that's listening who doesn't know who you are. You know, I just kind of want to go over how we connected, you know, the very first time and where you were at in life and, you know, kind of where I was at. But, but, yeah, so backstory is a pull up Instagram one day. I see this very small, very small MMA podcast. 500 followers. 500 followers. I don't know how this reel popped up on my algorithm. I don't even look at reels very often. And there you are. And if I remember correctly, I may mess this up a little bit. But the clip that I saw, and I want to roll the clip right now.

There's a father that posted a photo of their child in the bathtub where you couldn't see everything, but you could see enough. And it said on the top of it, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And then underneath there was comments with other people saying what they were going to do to this person. child. And at this point, remember, I have access to their server and they don't know it. So after I spoke to my attorney who told me, hey, you did break federal law. You know, if you report this, you're risking going to prison. But I was just thinking to myself, if I bring this to trial, what jury is going to convict me? I mean, I just don't think guilty or not. I'm willing to take my chances. So I reached out to my attorney, reached out to another attorney in Virginia since he was run, you know, a guy trying to run for Congress.

Spoke to over 10 news stations. I have some of the calls recorded with them. Everybody was interested in this story. They thought it was amazing. As soon as it got to legal, Not one of them posted this story, even when I said, remove my name from it, remove any of the info I obtained illegally from it, just alert people that this website exists on the internet, nobody posted it. So I got an FBI report tip line number, I think it was a website IC3.gov, it's an internet complaint center report number. So I got that. The kicker, which is what got me started in this after all of that, is six months later I'm watching the news or I'm reading the news online. I see Nathaniel Larson arrested at an airport at a layover with a 12-year-old girl that he kidnapped and

And they were fully aware of what he was doing. They're fully aware of the 3,000 other people that I caught on the website with their IP addresses, their emails, their chat history, everything about them. A case, you know, on a golden platter for any district attorney. And nothing happened. They didn't even bring up his websites in the news articles. The clip that I saw was basically you talking about this guy that owned this pedophile website, standing over the bathtub, taking a selfie video with a 12-year-old girl in that bathtub, right? It's close.

It's close. So what happened was just the long story, short version is it was, like you said, a very small MMA podcast that I went on, and they asked me a question. They said, how did you get involved? It was actually about the organization I was with at the time, but I just came as the technical support, basically. And they said, how did you get involved? You know, I was always standing behind the camera, didn't have my name associated to anything.

And I had this information about this horrible website that was being ran by a politician in Virginia. And there are, you know, I explained that I got a text message from my friend's wife that had a couple screenshots, one of which was a father that had his child in the bathtub and the title of the post. Like you could see the child's back, so you could tell that they were nude. and the title of the post on this website was they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And underneath of it, people were talking about what they were going to do, that person's shot. So that was what the clip was, if they play the clip, they'll see what I was saying. The problem was I infiltrated this network.

I dumped their database. I had all their information. I had a case on a golden platter. Like literally, I think that's what I said in the clip. And nobody was taking me seriously. and it took years of me trying. I went to all media sources, you know, 11 plus media sources. I went to law enforcement, went to two different attorneys,

I went to a task force locally. I tried everything. And then I end up, you know, just talking about that in that short clip, maybe a minute long, and the next day I wake up and there's like 10 million views on this clip. And I'm like, what the heck? You know, I have all these journalist groups reaching out to me, all these media wanting to ask questions, all these different, you know, different variety, sorry, all of these various

podcasters reaching out to me. And I see in my comments, check your DMs, check your DMs from a guy named Sean Ryan. And I'm like, and I check my DMs. And I see Sean's in there. And I'm like, wow, this guy's got a big channel. And he wants to, you know, he wants to talk about this. So we started a conversation and um you know i uh i i wanted to get the story out there no matter what way it went out i didn't care if it went out from a left wing right ring in between wing it didn't matter i just wanted the story out there and um you know i didn't know anything about politics still really don't but uh i was i just was very very blown away by a small account blowing up the way that it blew up so i reach out i'm sorry i start speaking with you we arrange

a podcast, which, if you remember, Project Veritas was involved. Oh, I remember. So this is what I want to get into what happened with that. So you, so actually, this is the way I really want to put it, is nobody had the balls to talk about this story. Because, and I proved that with the media. I showed them what needed to be out there. There was, it was black and white how bad this website was. And I had evidence that you could not refute of all of the people involved.

and they just ignored me. And you saw that one-minute clip and said, you know what? I'm going to risk my whole channel. I'm going to risk everything just because I want to get this kid that I don't even know, meaning me, I want to get this kid's message out there.

And you have no idea how much I appreciate that and how many kids that's actually helped, not just from me, from you. I'm like without you, without obviously all the things that led up to you, none of that would have happened, you know? And I am beyond grateful for that. it's opened up so many doors, which I'll obviously get into in this episode, but

Beyond Bless, super grateful for it. And, you know, one thing that's frustrating is, and there's I have a good and bad thing to say about Project Veritas and why I wanted to tie them into this story is Project Veritas is the first journalist group to reach out to me that I was willing to, because they said, you know, we'll come with, you know, we'll fly overnight, we'll be there the next day. So they were in New York. I was in Florida. And they said, you know, we'll come out and check out the database, and we will investigate it. So, of course, I was like, yeah, come out, let's do it. You know, anybody wants to run this story, let's go.

This is right about the time James O'Keeffe left or was fire, whatever happened there. That doesn't matter to me, to be honest with you. They fly out to Florida. I hand them the data, and all of their journalists, all their reporters, the ones that I worked with directly, were passionate and wanted to work on this project, and they spent days slash weeks slash more.

months of their life on this project. So I can't say a single negative thing about the team that I worked with there. They were all great, and they cared a ton about this case. What happened is James's replacement, her name is Hannah Giles. She came in as the interim CEO while they were trying to figure out what was going on. And at that point, if you remember, there were 7,000 people in that database from the original database. And Project Veritas, the goal was to go out to confront these people face-to-face with hidden cameras and ask them about their participation on the website.

So, like, that meaning, like, not just you were on the site, but here's the forum posts that you made, here's the private messages that you had with other users, like expose these people. So they exposed a couple of them. They put it out publicly. And we identified 500 of the 7,000, without a shadow of a doubt, 500 of the 7,000 were identified at the time

when Hannah Giles became the interim CEO. They wanted her, I'm assuming Hannah, wanted the New York Post or New York Times to release a story on it and that was their main focus which at that time I remember we were talking about it when you're talking about circulation

it's like social media has a way bigger circulation than them then Hannah says to me I'm on the phone with her and she tells me that my story is not a title wave that's the words verbatim that this woman used and she shut it down

well boy she fucked that one up didn't she she really did And, you know, not only because of how big this story got and how many kids, how much impact that database made on, you know, some of the predator networks following it as well, but, you know, the sad part of this is I, with Project Veritas, 500 of the 7,000 identified, 13 of which of the 500 were convicted of sex crimes with children after I originally reported the information to, you know, National Center for Mission Explanated Children. the tip lines, the task force, all the media. So, you know, just ironically, the average offender has 13 victims in a lifetime, but 13 different cases occurred after I reported it. And then she shuts it down. So that's 500 of the 7,000.

Who knows how many didn't get caught? And who knows how many more, you know, how many victims, you know, were, it could have been preventive. Someone would have just taken me seriously. And you did, man. You did. Project Veritas, as much as they may get some hate or whatever, I don't have any opinion on anything else they've ever done

other than what they've done with me. And their journalists were good to me, their interim CEO. I don't like the way that she treated this situation. And I have no problem saying that. And yeah, man, I just wanted to, I guess, a long way of saying, thank you so much. And I appreciate the balls that you have because nobody else did. Well, it was my honor, man.

But, you know, I forgot about the Veritas stuff, because we had to coordinate release of the episode with them. Yeah. I forgot about that. And they, yeah, there was some other publication that they're like, we got to wait and see if this goes. And I remember, I remember having a conversation with you. And I was like, dude, what we have here is 10 times any of the publications that they're talking about.

And this is going to fucking send. And it did. It wound up being the most viewed, most downloaded, biggest episode I've ever done still to the state. and and you know i remember reaching out to you i remember the fbi stuff the fbi wouldn't take you seriously i was so upset you know and and also this is like you were the first person that i dove into the subject with because i had heard so much about it but i don't trust nonprofits but we and you talk a lot about that offline i just don't trust them anymore i've seen too many that started off with good intentions that go you know ray and it becomes all about fucking

raising money and not about whatever the actual mission was and and you didn't have any of that you know and i could tell like on that post i was like this guy's just trying to get information out and um so so yeah reached out tried to coordinate everything with veritas they wanted to do the story and i remember telling you something along the lines like fuck these people dude let's just run it yeah well you you actually had people that you had in line to put their episodes out before mine, and you rushed my episode for them. Yeah. Like, you did them a huge favor.

Yeah. And then they just screwed, they screwed it up. They could have done a lot more good. Like I said, they're journalist. If it was up to them, it would have happened. I don't think it could have gone any better than it did, to be honest with you. Everything that happened, I think, happened because what we did, you know, like, you enlightened me, for starters, because I've gone on to do several episodes.

I, after you about it, I interviewed Jim Caviesel. We went to the premiere of Sound of Freedom. them together, interviewed Tim Tebow, interviewed Jaron Hudson, interviewed Victor Marks, like you were the start of all of that. And I still continue to talk about it,

you know, to this day. But, you know, I think what we did, man, is we just created like the perfect storm. And, and also, like, yeah, that was a huge, I mean, I don't think you wanted to be public. you were extremely fucking nervous to come on the show

100% And I remember trying I remember going through my head Like how do I calm this guy down And But whatever It worked And yeah it was a big

It was jeopardizing my entire business Because this is This is the forbidden fruit That you cannot talk about On certain platforms I remember thinking You know what? Fuck it

We're not monetizing this I want to fly under the radar I don't give a shit if they shut everything down it ended trying to pump some good into the world and I'm like 100% fine with that and that takes balls like for the third time it takes balls and I appreciate that

and to be honest with you and I know I gave you a warning beforehand but you know this one is just as deep and dear to my heart and I have some stuff that I really really need parents to know and it's going to be rough and I think that you know you guys

whoever's watching this, you're going to hear a lot of beeping. It's important that you listen to what I have to tell you today. But, you know, I wanted to say, man, like, you know, we've talked about it a lot offline and especially at the very beginning after the episode when you were trying to figure out where you want to go because I think this was a segue into you having a much bigger role in the fight against exploitation and trafficking. But what we did, man, is, you know,

I jeopardized everything, you did too. But what wound up happening was we educated millions and millions of parents. We educated millions and millions and millions of kids on how this happens. Prove to them how fast it happens. You know, I'll, dude, I will never forget when you made the screen name Ashley 13. Because I was like, how this isn't like, there's no. way this shit happens as much so i wanted to time you to see how i figured we'd be there all fucking day yeah unfortunately it was like five seconds and um and that just proved to like i said

millions and millions and millions of parents and kids like this is how this is how common this is how fast it can happen and then on the other hand we scared a metric shit ton of predators of predators. Oh, yeah. And so it really was the perfect storm. But, you know, but, you know, some other contexts, I mean, now I'm, like, going back and forth. Now I'm, like, remembering all the things that happened, like, right after the episode. And, I mean, we blasted the FBI on that episode.

Yeah, we definitely did. Actually, we didn't blast them. We just expressed what happened when you got the information to the FBI and how they totally fucking dismissed it and how interested they were after the episode came out. Remember that? Remember how much they wanted to help? I know you guys are like

maybe talking right now. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, everything I do now is in parallel with law enforcement, so cool. Yeah. I'll get into more of what that means. But yeah, I remember being extremely fearful. I was like, these people aren't trying to

help you. They didn't help you the first time. There's 7,000 names on that list and that was developed a website was developed by a politician they're trying to every motherfucker on there is calling in favor is trying to get their name redacted from i remember do you remember i i was so i was so scared of because you know i took as you said it was a risk for me i was scared my door was going to get kicked in they were like i don't have anything to worry about but i don't want to lose all my electronics or end up getting charged with something that i go to trial for and all stuff and i'm calling you um i'm calling you at like 11 12 o'clock at night you got uh tim parlor

helping me out you got all these people you know telling me like yo do this do that do that do that do that like make sure you don't do this don't do that like i'm i got you you helped me an absolute um back you know because i was panicking man i was panicking because i i wanted the information out there but i didn't know what to expect because technically what i did at that time was uh was not legal, my intentions were obviously good. I would say it's more gray than black hat, but it was, you know, I obtained that information illegally. So I was scared. I was genuinely scared, and it was very new territory to me. I know now a lot more than I did. And as I said in the beginning, if I had to go to trial for this and I had to stand in front of 12 jurors or jury, like I have

a hard time believing that people would say that I'm a criminal for taking down a predator organization. But I genuinely, I genuinely was scared at that time. Well, it wound up being a wildly successful piece of content. I mean, with all the clips and the reels and the episode and the downloads, I mean, it's literally hundreds of millions of views. And then your life just exploded into ways that I think you'd never imagine it would go into. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I remember seeing you on all the big podcasts, and I was just, dude, through all this shit and all the fame that you've amassed since we met, dude, I just want to say, man, I am so fucking proud of you. Like, you have handled the fame and the notoriety, like, nobody I've ever seen, man.

Like, you have stayed true to yourself. You are not, you did not turn into a pompous asshole. You are the same man that I met when nobody knew who the hell you were three years ago when we did that interview. And these are the world doing them. It really does. I just want to like say like, you know, to, I want the world to know, you know, your character. Like that didn't turn into a massive amount of money for you. I don't think.

you're not here to make money like when people ask me about you or I'm talking about you and I talk about you a lot you know I one of the things I always say is like that guy does not give a fuck about anything but saving kids he doesn't give a shit if you approach him with with business deed ideas

like if that's your focus he's not going to want to do it like all that dude wants to do is save fucking kids he doesn't give a shit about the fame he doesn't give a shit about his following He doesn't care about anything, but saving those kids. And, you know, and there's just not very many people like you, man. Likewise. Likewise.

Likewise. There's not many people I consider friends, especially in this space, you know, making YouTube videos and content and podcast. I mean, you're the only one that I would consider a friend, like a real one, a real friend. And people don't know us off camera, but, you know, there's not many people that I can ride around with on an ATV and and have the conversations we had yesterday. Like, you know, it's, that's, that's, that's what I look forward to in life. You know, I only get a couple good friends and, and I, and I'm grateful and glad that you're

one of them. Likewise, man. I love you, dude. Love you too, man. You're a great human. But, um, well, let me give you an introduction here real quick. All right. And, uh, we'll get into the interview.

Ryan Montgomery, a powerhouse and cybersecurity in the, and the, you know, and the, you're a powerhouse in cybersecurity in the fight against child exploitation. A top ethical hacker and penetration tester with over 19 years of experience ranked number one on TriHACME's Capture the Flag Leaderboard. The founder of PennTester, a Boca Raton-based platform offering online privacy solutions for people and businesses. Is CTO of the Sentinel Foundation, you use cutting-edge technology and law enforcement collaborations to combat global child exploitation and human trafficking known for infiltrating dark websites to expose predators you've demonstrated live hacks right here on my show which we just talked about you specialize in ethical hacking data protection and online safety advocating

for stronger cybersecurity and protecting vulnerable populations and one of my favorite people in the world. Ryan Montgomery. So I know we are here to we are here to talk about some of the child childhood stuff that we missed the last time. A lot of the stuff that you've been doing now and you know, but I think that the the premise of this interview, which will come towards the middle in the end is the domestic terrorist group, the 764 group, correct? that's correct and all of the horrific stuff that they're doing so like i said you know this is this is going to be very similar to the interview that we did before you know and uh this is this is to educate our purpose here is to educate parents in kids and to scare the shit out

of pedophiles and to expose how how these things are happening and and just just educated because you know we've talked about this offline too And I think that the collaboration that me and you did online has saved more kids than any other. Dude, it's hundreds of millions of people that watch that. Like so many parents and so many kids, like it made it real. I mean, you demonstrated it right here live. And I can unfortunately do it again.

Any platform. I know. Literally any platform. And so, you know, that's like, it's, it's my proudest interview, man, because, not because of the numbers and not because of, like, the explosiveness of the interview. It's because there are, who knows, countless kids out there whose parents watch that, who they watch that, that will never have to fucking face the trauma that they would have faced if their parents in themselves

didn't implement the things to protect them and I know it didn't get to everybody but man we saved a lot of fucking kids there man I love to hear that and I'd love to believe that as well and to be honest I've been all over the world all over the country

in the last three years and running into strangers on the street at the airport at the mall all these places people stopping me now which you know is very new to me me. But some of them are our parents and they tell me like, hey, I stopped posting my kid on the internet for this reason or that reason or I, uh, or, you know, I was a victim of this or I have a situation. I know, I hear this from not only from people sending me direct messages, emails, literally letters in the mail. There's so many ways of people contacting me now, but like something about

somebody coming up to me in real life and telling me the impact that it's made. It's like, what are the odds of just a stranger that's just, that runs into me? that made an impact if it happened with that person it must have happened with a lot more than i'm aware of you know and uh and that makes me very proud makes me happy and it makes me motivated to keep doing this because as you said i'm not looking for a pat on the back i'm not looking for money i i if you blurred my face and you change my voice for this episode it wouldn't change anything it's it's really about getting the word out there and making things making some some sort of change because nobody else seems to be doing it nobody else seems to uh

I don't know. I mean, there's people that have passion. I don't want to discount them because there are good people in this space. But coming on to a show and talking about this stuff in some of the detail that I want to, I don't really see other people doing. And I don't see somebody else having the, you know, the nerve to do it with them. So I just think it's a very unique opportunity that we showed work for the first time. And it's for the million time a blessing. Well, let's hope it works again. But, you know, Ryan, one of the other things that I loved about you is we both kind of started our journey to Christianity together around the same time. I wouldn't say together, but timelines really match up. And I know you've grown a lot

in your spiritual journey and so have I. And so I think we should kick this off with a prayer. What do you think? Sure. You ready? Yeah. All right. Jesus, I just want to say thank you for my friendship with Ryan and for bringing us together those years ago. And I'm just so proud of him and thankful for our relationship. And Jesus, I just ask you to be in this room with us today and to guide Ryan and myself the way that you want us to expose this 764 satanic cult, what they're doing to kids. And we just ask that you distribute the information that we're going to reveal today to all the kids and all the parents, especially the vulnerable ones who may have an unfortunate future that they're facing. And we just hope to derail them from that traumatic future into more beautiful things.

And we just hope that the people that watch this, if they were, their future was heading towards that. We just wanted to head towards the light and for them to take this information seriously and put in the repercussions that they need so that they don't become a victim. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen.

So, cheers. Cheers. All right, but let's start it with some fun stuff. So, you know, one of the fun things we did last time is you had all these gadgets. And you blew my fucking mind. So I see all new stuff over here. What do we got?

So we got a lot of new things. I don't know if it's going to be exactly the way that we did the first time, because I did show you a lot. I got a blanketed a lot of topics, and I pissed off a lot of people in cybersecurity in that process. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because trying to explain some of these attacks and cybersecurity methods to people that aren't cybersecurity professionals is tough.

I mean, try to explain. a captive portal to your grandmom. It's a, it's just, you have to, you have to, like, and I'm not saying you're an old woman. Are you calling me a fucking, are you calling me a geriatric? No. It's all right, I'm pretty close.

What I'm saying is most people are not tech literate, most. Like, it doesn't matter if they're older or younger. So people got really aggravated with the way that I explained it. They got really aggravated with the number one ethical hacker thing. I never said that I was a number one hacker in the world. There's no way to rank that. You know, and honestly, I would love if you titled this video, number one ethical hacker, but just to piss them off. Hey, we can do that. I'm glad you finally reached that point.

I really? I am done. I'm done caring. I've tried posting on all my platforms. I've talked on other podcasts about it. I've made it very clear. I know I'm not the best hacker. I never said I was. But at this point, I just like aggravating them. If I've learned anything from doing podcasts, there's one thing. You cannot make the Internet happy no matter what the fuck you do. Not a chance. It's more fun to piss them off anyways. Yeah, I'm learning that. I'm learning that. And I call them the neck beards and the act chilies.

Nice. So I'm sure they'll have some stuff to say about some of this stuff, but that's fine. So there's a couple things here, one of which we're going to need, you know, the thing, you know, to screw it into. I don't want to ruin what it is yet. Is this, are you carrying all this stuff all the time now, like the last? Yeah, it's always in my back. Right on. So this is the latest and greatest EDC. Yeah. Are you still carrying the flipper?

The flipper, that is in my pocket. So at all times, always have the flipper. And the reason, honestly, is that I'll show a cool attack, which it'll probably end up being some type of B-roll or something in here because we're going to have to do it in a non-disclose location or whatever. But I have some custom firmware on here now that they can, you know, break into a ton of different cars. and it's on a rolling code system, meaning like every time you hit the button on your key fob, the code changes and the car only accepts the new code. And this has custom firmware that gets in sync with that rolling code.

So let's say you click the lock button. Now I have the lock, unlock, trunk, all of the buttons on your keyfob just from one press. And that was one thing. They lost their minds over saying that that attack's been around 20 years. It's not rolling code. It's not this. but it is it is rolling code it is it is a new attack so and i'll demonstrate it on the show you know

once we get outside or whatever point that is but um the flipper and then this was actually given to me um this is called a it's a dual ESP by a company called awok dynamics i believe they're um so awok uh a guy i was at this a hacker conference called defcon which is the biggest hacker meet up in the world, I believe. And a friend of mine, another YouTuber talking Sasquatch, just comes up to me and hands this to me. And it was obvious because I know what these pins mean that they fit in the flipper. So you plug this into the top of the flipper. They're called GPI-O pins. Oh, shit. And it makes this thing look ridiculous. Cooper on steroids. Here we go. The flipper doesn't have Wi-Fi capability by default. So

So this gives it two different Wi-Fi chips that do Bluetooth, they do other things as well. But you'll see that the flipper, when I turn this thing on, I give it 5 volts. You'll see the power of it goes on. And then I have a touchscreen here now where I can do Wi-Fi attacks. So there's sniffer, scanners, war driving, attacks, general. So beacon spamming, Rickrolls, evil portals, D-off, meaning like disconnect. devices from the network, D-A-L-Targeted, meaning target a specific device.

And the cool thing about this is it can run. What do you mean target a specific device? So let's say you had a wireless camera outside, and I see that that address, that's coming up as a device on the screen here, I could target just that device. How do you know what the device is? I mean, there's got to be, there's probably 100 wireless devices at the studio at all times.

How do you narrow it down and go? It's that fucking camera right over there on the right corner. So it depends. If it's broadcasting like BLE, for example, or a Mac address, there's a thing called like an OUI database that you could identify it from the digits there,

which I'm just trying to simplify things. But there's ways you could do that or you could just do a D-Auth flood, which then just hits everything it possibly can. And then you could take a safe bet that if it's on the frequency that this is D-Othing on, it's going to knock it off.

offline. Gotcha. But what's cool about this is a lot of things, because I just, like, without going into the nitty-gritty of it, the Wi-Fi capabilities. It also has Bluetooth capabilities and Bluetooth attacks, and one of them is called Sour Apple, and I'll get more into that later. You could spoof an air tag with this thing, like, to make it people, you could do all right. What do you mean?

What do you mean? What does that even mean? So it's, it'll make your phone believe that there's an air tag. there. So, like, you know, you know, how your phone will say you're being tracked by an air tag. But like these antennas versus an air tags antennas are way more significant. I'll show you more once I get over to this other tool without, you know, Bluetooth attacks. But some really cool stuff there. But, but the reason why this is called a dual ESP, which means there's two boards in it, you can use the flippers on the, like, custom, there's a custom app in here that, like, let's say I wanted to do one attack that's taking your cameras offline. And then I want to do it. And then I want to. to do another attack that's stealing your passwords. I can use two different networks completely doing two different attacks because this has two boards in it and the flipper knows to use one or the other. How are you going to steal the passwords?

I'll show you. I'll show you because I have something else for that. It's unbelievable. But this was a cool gift and I wanted to show it off because it just looks cool, you know. And then this right here, I think you're really going to like. this. So a company also Kickstarter-related. I'm not going to like it, Brian. I don't like any of this stuff. You might not like this. You might not. All right. So this is called the BLE Shark Nano. And the company, I think they're for sale now, but they sent them out to me because I

asked, because I really wanted one. It looked cool. And the guy was nice enough, I think his name was George. He sent it out to me. And I was like, you know, who knows? You know, like, what I'm gonna do with it. I just wanna play around with it. And I record a video at that conference and it's got like 20 million views, like me just showing this thing off. And I was not expecting that at all.

So I'll show you there's what I mean by stealing the passwords. I think that this should do it. Okay, so now check, go to your phone, just go to settings, go to Wi-Fi, and you should see a free Wi-Fi there. I just named it free Wi-Fi. All right, my phone's over here. shit there we go

don't worry it won't hurt anything yep free Wi-Fi got it what happens when you click free Wi-Fi I should I should click it all right here we go

sign into your Google account okay so just put in like Sean at Gmail.com and then just put it in like Sean at Gmail.com and then just put whatever password you want. Should I walk over to you? Because it's small.

Yeah. All right. So, we got Sean at gmail.com. Password hack this. No shit. Yeah, so what if, for the people, I don't know if they could hear me. For the people that couldn't see this little device, Sean just got a network that said free Wi-Fi.

It could have been airport Wi-Fi. That could have been hotel Wi-Fi. That could have been Starbucks Wi-Fi. It could be whatever I wanted to name that network. And what happened was he got what's called a captive portal, which a lot of people would be familiar with. They might not recognize the term, but you know, you connect to a free network in public, and the screen pops up that says, like, I agree to the terms and conditions. Or if you're in a hotel room, it might say you're in room 1308 and your last name is this. And then when you press submit, it tells the hotel, yeah, this is a guest, give them access to our network.

That's a captive portal. In this case, it created a fake Google captive portal that looked like the real Google login. I mean, I don't think there's any way you could have differentiated that from a real Google login because what you're taught in fishing attacks is to look at the URL. If the URL doesn't say Google.com, then it's not real, right? Well, in captive portals, the URL just says captive.com as the default. So there's no way to tell that's not real. like you're not you just keep you should never put your credentials in is basically what I'm saying

into any captive portal and another thing to think about regarding hotel Wi-Fi or anything related let's say you're at a hotel or you're on an airplane and you're trying to get internet and you have to put your credit card in to get it like maybe the hotel charges more for faster internet I've seen that like to support streaming or whatever um I could make a fake network that says and stand outside of a hotel or leave a device outside of a hotel hotel or be on an airplane and require a credit card with a name, with an address, with all this info for them to upgrade their connection or upgrade whatever it may be and be stealing credit card numbers as well as their passwords. And there'd be no way for them to know that I was doing it

because the second that they submit it and it's over with, now they're connected to the internet if I route it to the internet. I mean, how many people are doing this? Is this, I mean, I feel like this could be happening at every single hotel? I mean, you would be, I think it would be naive to think it's not happening all over the place. I mean, there's, there's a lot more cybersecurity people out there now than there were when I was a kid. I don't know that, I can't, there's no way to tell you how many black hats exist, how many people get arrested for hacking charges. I mean, I don't have those numbers, but it's. Was this like pretty common though? I mean, these attacks are, are, are, I wouldn't say that the attacks are trivial because they're like your average person it would take some time

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You know, we spend a lot of time in hotels and airports and shit like that. I'm always connecting to the, you know, to the airplane Wi-Fi, even though the shit never works. I love paying 10 bucks and then you don't get any fucking internet. Yeah, but you put your credit card in there. Yeah, yeah. And how do you know it's really? So that's what I'm getting at. You know, if you go to whatever, the Holiday Inn Express and you want to get internet

and there's Holiday Inn guest, Holiday Inn Express guest, you don't know which one's the legitimate one. They make them look identical. So. yeah there's no way for you to know the difference so how can people like how can people guard against something like that there's not a not a great way to do it unless you like you know unless you know unless you know computers because like what i would do in that case is i would i would try to like in a captive portal on a phone you can't like view the source of

the page like look at the code of the front end client side of the page i would look at that to see if there's anything odd there that's not connecting to like because that like this isn't connected to the internet right now. So for you to see that Google page, they had to load the Google logo from that device. It had to load all of the, like, the text on the page from that device. Whereas if it was actually pulling data from Google, you would see all of the Google links inside the, it's called the source code. So, like, if you're on a laptop, like, in a perfect world, you could right click, you could hit view source and see if in the code, if it actually is going to the name of the hotel.com or Google.com. And if that's true, it still doesn't guarantee

that it's real, but it gives you a better chance. Gotcha. And then inside of these captive portals there's, like, sometimes it doesn't just say captive.com. You'll see like an actual name at the top. But, you know, anything can be modified, man. And I just say the general way to put this is just don't trust public Wi-Fi. So I wish I could give you a solid answer. I don't think anybody would be able to give you a better answer than that because it's it's kind of an up in the air public wifi just there's way more vulnerabilities than just that yeah yeah um well i got i got you a gift ryan oh yeah and so i was going to wait but this seems like the perfect time to give it to you so one well i'll give you the other gift later so here you go since we're talking about public

wifi so while you're open in that let me tell you a story all right so actually probably started with you i started getting you know with the fbi stuff i started getting very paranoid about who's listening in on my conversations and all that kind of stuff and then we went to taiwan we went to dubai we started doing all these overseas interviews i know china you know is looking for back doors into our stuff so anyways i got super paranoid and i started looking for a real black phone and so what i found was this company glacier And they make a black phone. They do a hardened iPhone.

They can do any phone. Any phone you have, you can hand it to them, and they will turn it into a hardened device where it stops data from getting sucked out of you. There's an Overwatch. You get endless amount of burner numbers. You get all-American VPNs. There's like a kidnapping type feature that tracks you more than regular iOS. But anyways, lots of features on that.

But another thing they do, where did that device go? I put it right here. Yeah, so you don't mind. Yeah, hold that up. So, anyways, I called them up. We're going to partner with them. And those phones are like $8,500. Really?

Yeah. But I wanted, so I wanted something. I was like, look, this is becoming more and more of a thing. You see China buying a lot of the VPN companies. You see Israel buying a lot of VPN companies. And so what that is. thing is, so we're doing this app, and the app is going to be like a more consumer-friendly version of the phone.

The phone is really for Intel people, major corporations for their C-suite, stuff like that, has a secure messenger service. But anyways, so we are doing a consumer product of that that's more consumer-friendly. It's going to be an app, and we're going to call it Glacier App. There's a link for anybody that's interested with the late list. down there. And we're also developing products. So that is a secure internet device from Glacier, works in 130 different countries. Basically, just turn it on. It puts you on the secure server. Like I said, in over 130 countries, they set it up to where all your devices will just

automatically link to it. Then you're not using public hotel Wi-Fi. You're not using airport Wi-Fi. You're not using anybody's Wi-Fi, especially overseas. and it's all encrypted. And this is connected to, like, a cellular network? This is connected to a cellular network that runs through Glacier, and so all of your traffic will be encrypted. Is there, like, a subscription fee for this? We haven't released those yet.

Great question. I get the free 99. Yeah, you get the free one, so there it is. Thank you very much. This is really cool. Now you don't have to worry about public Wi-Fi anymore. Well, I think it's more for the other people than me, but I appreciate it. I'll be using the crap out of this.

I promise you that. You're welcome, man. Thank you very much. I didn't realize it did all that. It looks like a power bank, but it does a lot more than power bank based on what you just said. Yeah, so we use that in Taiwan. We use that in Romania. We use that in Dubai.

I use it everywhere now. Awesome. You know. Well, congrats on that. Thank you. That's awesome. I'm pumped. You turned me into a tech guy.

Yeah, you were the first tech guy ahead on. You know what I will also turn you into? What's that? I mean, I know you're wealthy, Sean, but I don't think you're this wealthy. I'm not wealthy. Hold on a second. I brought something for you here. I got you.

A billion dollars. Dude. One billion dollars. I could use an extra billion. The Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe. Yeah, but you see how it says dollars on that bill? Yeah. So you technically have a billion dollars.

Fucking A. You're officially a billionaire. Billionaire now. And I just wanted to make it very clear that you have, it's in the United States. So, you know, maybe it came from Zimbabwe. Thanks for making me a huge target. Well, you hear about all these problems with billionaires in the United States. But, you know, people having issues with them and all the stuff.

But you're not going to be one of them. And think about the people in Zimbabwe. They're all billionaires, too. Good point. Good point. No problems. I just thought it was a cool thing. We ordered them on eBay at the office because there's like 50 or $20 billion bills, $40 billion. You ordered these on eBay?

Yeah, we put them in a frame, you know? And we just thought it would be funny to give you one because it's just unbelievable the amount of inflation that's happened. But that's a whole different topic. Yeah. They don't use those bills anymore. But right on. Yeah, but it's a cool thing to have, I thought. But actually, I got a couple things about cellular that I want to talk about. Yeah, let's do it. It's nothing against what you said. It's more. just about cellular in general and my worries for it. So, firstly, there's, uh, there's this thing right here, which is, uh, a Verizon hotspot. Looks no, it looks no different than a Verizon hotspick. That's what it is. It is a hotspot. I think it's called the orbit, the actually, or orbic, um, is the, the actual model of it. They're about

$9 on eBay as of recording right now. Um, and if I plug it in, show you, how simple this is. So this is the exact same thing as what I just gave you, just unsecure? Yeah, so this is just a hotspot. Okay. But I modified this hotspot with a custom firmware called Ray Hunter.

Of course you did. And for $9, which I know you're going to want one of these. This is up your alley. Is this going to be the framed piece for this episode? I don't know. I don't know. But I bring this every country I go to everywhere I go. So it's charged right now. Let me turn it on.

Come on. There it goes. Okay. So you see it's got their logo and everything on it. You would never know this isn't a real hot spot. Yeah. It still does broadcast a network on it. And you'll see at the top here,

you're going to start seeing a green or red, hopefully green, a green or red line the second that it boots up. Okay, so it has no service at the moment, but it's loading. Okay, see that green line at the top there? Yeah. So that means that there are no stingrays within proximity to us, which is going real simple is how the feds or certain people can track your phones, location, like the information that comes from your phone like just think of it as a as a um a way to to determine if your phone's being

tracked and you can just have this running at all times sitting in your pocket and instead of it and instead of it um you know acting as a Wi-Fi router or hotspot I can take this I can use my phone I'll show you um I could go and connect to the Verizon network right here and then I'll go right to my browser um oh no stingray hunter where's it at come on so this thing basically detects if there's any

anything listening or gathering information on you within some type of a radius yeah and you don't have to stare at it you know that's that's kind of the good thing about it is you don't you don't have to stare at it and and and if it turns red once it's a here I'll show like when you came to the old studio and we had that little piece of shit EMF detector thing and we found something in the wall and we're like where is it yeah it's this is this is a whole different thing um let me just look I have it in my bookmark sorry because I have the actual Verizon page and then I have the page of it uh where it's

modified uh sorry here we go all right so oh actually what the heck i actually have a warning here i'm dead serious look at this there's a red there's a red warning so I'll download that P-CAP after I seriously didn't set this up I really didn't I swear to God well shit how do you know what it is I'll download it and try to see but it just lets me know there's a device within proximity that's the first time I've seen I've seen that's my first time ever seeing a warning this is likely if you just turn your device on this is

likely a false positive. Well, there's two other captors above it, so I don't know. There's a couple below it and above it. So we'll have to look into that. I've never even seen that. Wait a minute. This is my place? I mean, I didn't look at it. This says July, Thursday, July 3rd, Wednesday, September 10th. Well, then that would be incorrect, unless the top one has the wrong date. Top one is Monday, October 20th. That's today? Yeah. Yeah, then the other one must be of, I must have missed it.

Dude, you can't be fucking with me like that. I didn't need to. I barely looked at it. I just saw it read and was like, oh my gosh. I just told you how paranoid I get about this shit. Well, this is why you need one of these. I'm, yeah, I need to buy that. It's nine bucks right now.

I'll just give you this one. That's nine bucks? Yeah, it's a hacked version of a Verizon hotspot. But. So you just turn that on anywhere you go. Like, how far is the radius? I mean, it's, it's, it received cellular, just like a cell phone would. Yeah.

So it's what is doing is, like, this, this interface is because I'm connected to the hotspot, as if, like, as if you would be using it, but it's on a custom port, it's called. So, like, it's a, do you know how, like, people can, they can root their, uh, they can root their, uh, they can root their androids, meaning, like, giving it more permissions and then I'll install custom apps. Hmm. This is running a version of Android that's rooted. And then it's running that custom software.

So you just go in here, you let it run all day, and then you can go and just check, is it green, is it red? And if it is red, the Ray Hunter, like GitHub is like where all the developers put their stuff, you can copy the file and put it in there, and they'll analyze it for you. Like, you don't even need to know what you're looking at. So they'd be interested in this red one that I have, because I've never even seen red before. I never, this is my first time. But yeah, yeah, I thought you would like this because it's kind of a cool, cheap, little hacky thing, but all that works. I'm getting like one of those for everybody on the team. Yeah, I'll set them all up for you.

All right, so that one... What's that called? This is a regular Verizon hotspot, but the software on, it's called Ray Hunter. Okay. And then this is the Orbic, O-R-B-I-C, Verizon Orbic. Right on. Yeah, I got mine on eBay. Let me turn it off.

But as long as you're seeing a green line, you're good. And I didn't see a red line here, so I was like, as soon as I logged in. to the portal it was like red i was like what never seen red what do you do if it's red get a new hotel room put your phone an airplane motor in a faraday bag real quick okay yeah because it's it you know i i i never had it happen but i like to know if someone's spying on me you know so they they could be sucking info out even okay um and then let's see what else can i show you okay so speaking of cell phone staying on that topic um this is something i actually brought as another gift for you And I love GIFs.

Have you heard of, have you heard of mesh-tastic? No. So it's super cool. And, you know, I don't know how familiar you are with the China situation. It just happened to New York. Yeah. Yeah. Can you talk about that?

I mean, I can talk about it briefly. I wrote something just so I make sure I have the numbers correct on that. There was 300 SIM card servers with over 100,000 SIM cards, capable of 20 million, or taking 20 million offline. So, and that's the tri-state region of New York. So, like, not just New York, but the surrounding states, too. And that's just with the ones that they found. So I think it would be kind of naive to think, you know, there's not more of these all

over our entire country. So what could that have done? So it would have been a denial of service attack, is the technical term for it, but it would have been so many, like, have you ever been to a concert or a big event where everybody's there and your phone's going so slow and no calls are going through. That's because that's just so many people are there. Denial of service. This is a distributed denial of service, meaning coming from multiple angles with, you know,

let's say each one sending 100 text messages a minute, it's intentionally trying to flood the towers with so much data that they can't function. They can't keep up with it. So that's essentially what that was set up to do. And to my knowledge, the way they found that, at least partially, was from a tip. So I don't think they're going to get a tip everywhere that China or whoever, I'm assuming China in almost all cases, has these all over our country, which scares the crap out of me. So I started looking into it. What would they, okay, so I really want to dive, I have an idea

of where this is going, but I want you to describe like, okay, they shut down all cell phone communications. What does that, what does that mean for the population, especially in, you know, in a city that's as dense as Manhattan? It's absolute chaos is what happened. It's absolute chaos. Everyone relies on a phone right now in some sort of way to connect with their families, to pay their bills, to get into their cars, like myself included,

to get into their houses to pay for things. It's, it's, you know, to call for emergency services. Yeah, whatever, you know, all of these things, And if you take it away, it's, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, if China attacks us with an EMP and we lose our power, I mean, some stuff that I've read, I mean, people are thinking, we're not even going to make it three months without power. Yeah. Like a lot of people are just going to die off.

A lot of people would die off. Yeah, and it's sad, and it makes sense, though. So my, I mean, I could try to go further into it. I don't know, you know, on the politics and all that, like, you know, I don't know a ton about it. I mean, how long would, how long would the server be down for? As long as they're attacking. So how would they initiate the attack? So this is a guess from me, but if it was me behind this, let's say I would have all of these servers ready to go.

I would have one computer that had access to all of them or, you know, just imagine just like a digital switch. So I remote into a computer somewhere, wherever it is. And I press the go button, basically. And the go button tells all of those SIM servers to start sending out text messages. to at mass volumes, and it's just gonna, you know, keep people offline. So it would be somebody remotely detonating, essentially. And then at that point, all of the,

all of the phones in the area slash tri-state area according to what I read would be, you know, they'd be completely useless. Not only with text messages, also phone calls, also data for the internet, completely offline. Like hardwired internet as well? No, no, internet would be okay. Okay.

Because that's not, it's not affecting the cellular towers, but any cellular connection be offline. Like, you would, you would see that you had connection, but it just wouldn't work. How long would they, how long could they keep it down for? They would have to figure out where all of the places that were distributing all of that. Holy shit. Yeah, it would take time. It would be, it would be substantial enough for it to be a problem, I'll tell you that much,

especially, imagine if it happened in, like, Utah or somewhere where there wasn't, you know, like, I don't know, I'm just taking a random guess, but like somewhere that more, a little more desolate in certain areas at least it would take a while for that to be fixed i believe would there be a way to trace that type of the signal i mean i mean i remember seeing the pictures of that and i mean it was like tons of antennas and electronics i mean was there is there do you have do one do one of these devices go whoa there's like a lot of text messages coming from that building so none of these devices are going to go i mean you may be able to pull some general cellular frequency stuff from the hack rf slash h4m like the new hack

rf um well combination it's a whole whole thing but uh you may be able to see something on here like you know like a waterfall displays it's just like colors going down the screen you may be able to see like a big fluctuation of that but i i don't know for sure to be honest with you but i do know that with a denial service attack, with a ton of numbers, taking 20 million phones offline, I mean, that's a serious problem, regardless if they could find it or not. But the problem is this, the problem is if you're not sending or receiving text messages on all of these SIM servers, then they, how are they going to identify that they're there? Because they're not transmitting or receiving any data at that point.

if the remote on and off, which I was talking about earlier, was off, they're not going to be able to determine that they're there yet. But the second they start sending out a signal, it's probably a little bit easier for them to detect all of this data is coming out of this specific spot. They could just, you know, go around with an electromagnetic, you know, field detector and say, wow, there's a crap ton of all this coming out of this building. By then, it's too late.

Yeah, at that point, it's already caused a mass hysteria or a mass problem or the media is already reporting on China's attacking us, or whatever, you know, God forbid, happens. So, yeah. It's wild, man. So what is the red thing here? So this is just, this is a radio that I built for you. I bought the parts, obviously, it's a, the nerd details.

It's a Helltech V3. It's a 3D printed case. It's got a custom antenna on it that gives you a little bit more range because out here there's a lot more space than, South Florida, we have hurricanes, we have all, you know, all of the different emergencies that might happen. and where we can operate with a little bit smaller antennas than what you would need in, you know, in this state.

So basically what this device does is it operates very similar to a walkie-talkie, so like, but are way cooler, so just hear me out. Like when you click a walkie-talking, you know, we're within range of each other, you're going to hear me, I'm going to hear you. Same with this, so this doesn't use your voice, you don't talk on it like a, like, you know, like a phone, you text with this. So imagine I send a text and I say, hey, Sean, and then let's say you're within 100 feet of me, you receive it. Now let's say you're 10 miles away from me.

This antenna isn't going 10 miles. With a walkie-talkie, it isn't going 10 miles. The reason why they call it mesh-tastic is because it's using all of the devices in between you to mesh together to get that message to the intended recipient. And on top of that, it's fully encrypted. So the devices that are carrying the message, like imagine all the walkie-talkies are carrying that message until it gets to you, but none of them can hear your voice until it gets to the destination. Does that make sense?

Yeah. So there's a primary channel, which is just like, you know, it's non-encrypted, everybody's conversations in there. That's great for the natural, like, you know, hurricanes or emergencies. And then let's say you and I want to talk about something private, off the grid. This has no cellular connection, no monthly bill. This is straight up using its own transmit and receive right from that antenna. And, you know, you can be 100% anonymous with this and no way to recover anything.

I mean, this is, this could also be used maliciously, to be honest with you, but so can anything. Like, I don't think it, I don't know. It's just a, it's a super cool device. I'll save my opinion, but the way to operate it is actually, with that specific one, you need the mesh-tastic app on your phone. You connect it via Bluetooth, and then that's just so you can send and receive messages. But there are certain ones you can buy that are pre-built

that it look like BlackBerrys, actually. They have like little keyboards on them, and they connect in with the mesh. And then you send the message from the actual device itself and receive messages on the device itself. That is just a Bluetooth, like, so your phone is going to be your, you know. So the phone is the, okay.

Yeah, like I can actually show. So the message goes from your phone to this through the mesh network. I'll show you right now. It's so easy. So you got, can the cameras see this? SRS mesh. You connect in, you're on there. This is going to tell you the nodes that are around you, which we're in a building that isn't going to have any nodes.

But once we get outside, they would. Messages, channels, primary channel. And then you could just say, hey, I need help. For example, I'll just say, hey, so I don't scare anybody. and the knowledge of waiting to be acknowledged. What that means is it's waiting for somebody to acknowledge with their radio. It's going to acknowledge this message and relay it to as many people as possible because this is a channel that everyone can see.

Holy shit. And then there's the, I made you one called SecretCombs, which is built into this radio that has its own private key. So if I'm, let's say I'm 100 miles away from you, I can send you a message and it's going to use a bunch of other people's radio to get the message to you. but they're not going to see what I said. It's just going to use their radios to make it to you,

hopping off of them. Damn. How long does it take to get that message to somebody? Milloseconds. No shit. Yeah, yeah, it's radio. It's a decentralized, it's a decentralized, like, cell phone networks.

Just think of it in simple terms like that, that if the power grid went down, if the cellular grid went down, the batteries on them, things last so long, because they're low power and they're long range, and they're cheap too I mean like all in on that thing like we're talking like 30 bucks

our use yeah and like just to have that in like in your in your backpack just in case something ever happens God forbid it can't hurt to have it it's not hard to use like I'm not I don't

it's an open source project I don't make any money telling you anyone to buy them but the more people that have them the further the messages that can go South Florida has a huge population of them Missouri huge population California huge

like there's a lot of places that already have a ton of these there but the more people that have them the further your message is going to go so interesting kind of an interesting thing I really I really liked it there was a guy in Florida because I was learning about it you know trying to get my house set up I have a solar a little solar mount with a giant antenna coming off my roof and like you know I'm going way above and beyond for this like my HOA probably hates me

but um this guy who has this large infrastructure in Florida. He calls it Trom. Like there's this, like I could show you a screenshot, but he's got, he's got these giant cell towers all the way down the coast of Florida. And as long as you can get your message to a Tron, you know, one of his locations, then it has enough transmit power to make it anywhere up and down the coast of Florida. So my goal was to get it to one of the Tron towers. So I finally go into their Discord, like their chat group, and I say like, hey, how do I, Like, what kind of antenna should I buy? What kind of stuff should I get?

I want to make it to Del Rey Tron. That was the Tron that I was trying to get to. And this guy, his name's Eric, reaches out to me. And he's giving me all this advice. And he said, I'll come out tomorrow morning at 6.30 to the intersection of where he didn't know where I lived or anything. But I gave him a general idea. 6.30 in the morning, guy comes out, takes screenshots from his app, takes pictures

on his phone. And he's showing me with a directional antenna. It's called a Yagi antenna. He's aiming it at the Del Rey Tron, south-east, I think it is. And you could see that it is reaching it. So he proved that with a directional antenna, that it would work. And this is a guy I've never met before, you know? Somebody that's just like, if you know anything about the ham radio guys from back in the day,

it's like a modern age ham radio group, but way more technologically advanced and that people are younger. So this guy comes out of his way, goes out of his way to help me out, which is like I'm not used to people doing me favor. like that. And to make things even crazier, the guy that came out for me is a guy that owns the Tron infrastructure for all of Florida. So I just had the first guy that, and he didn't know who I was or anything like that, he just came out of the kindness of his heart. He drove a half hour. I found out where he lived, because I came to go pick up that equipment from him later in the day. And super grateful for that, but the guy just, the guy hooked me up and spent time that he didn't need to spend. And I recommend if you'd go out and buy one of these things,

make sure you Google like the state that you live in and join a community of some sort if you need help setting it up because it's not hard or anything but just to get advice from people that have been already been doing it, you know? I already researched for around here it's configured best for this location

but if you have any questions obviously call me. How do you turn it off? It's you can hold both buttons but it doesn't actually go off. It goes into like a sleep mode. Oh, right on. Yeah. damn thank you man no problem i wouldn't say i'm gonna frame it but you should use that one keep that

i am especially because of the way like you know without going into detail you live high enough to reach far right on yeah uh what else do we got um this one and i'm trying to speed through because i don't want to make this too long don't speed through it this is good shit so this is called a screen crab and a screen crab if you notice here it's got an hdmi on one side and an hdmi on this side and um and basically this little antenna broadcast a signal so i could put this behind a computer monitor put this behind a tv more importantly a computer monitor and then there's an sd card slot in here on this side right here uh that stores a ridiculous amount of footage like way more footage than you would imagine because it compresses the video

and this will be in line so you can spy on somebody's computer screen and they you know if you put IT use only do not unplug you know like and put it on a post-it note or something stick this behind the computer who's going to remove this nobody most people are just going to ignore it so I thought this is a cool little covert spy gadget that most who's looking behind their monitor either you know like it's just a cool little gadget to have especially when you're doing a physical pen test and you want to, you know, you want to watch people go through their internal systems and see their internal communications. If you can get this thing in there, then you can stand outside their office and wirelessly watch it or store it to the SD card and then watch it

later. You can hook that up wirelessly? Yeah, yeah, that's what this is. So I could take the footage that's stored on the SD card and download it wirelessly or watch it wirelessly live. Wow. Yeah, I just, I would have to be in range of it though. Gotcha. That's the screen crab. And then this is called the Land Turtle. And the Land Turtle, the way I have mine configured at least, is the second I plug this into USB, so if I went into one of your offices and I plug this into one of their computers,

it's gonna immediately try to connect back to my server at my house and give me a connection like to this device. And then from this device, I can try to pivot from this device to your other devices on the network because this is a mini computer inside of here. so it's without going into

because it's nerdy stuff without going into the details I can use this device to pivot on to other devices to other devices to other ones and then you know I could be a million miles away from you and still have access to this

because it's connecting directly back to me shit yeah and hack five makes that's the name of the company they gave me a bunch of cool stuff that's where a guy you interviewed Mike Rover he works with them with his OMG cable

no kidding yeah and this another guy gave as a gift um uh j lo hacks or jblow hacks

he's got an interesting name um and another guy uh yeah jbo hack hold on sorry i got your name wrong jbo jbo hacks and another guy created this and z r cracking is their usernames they created this thing called

the Nyan box, which is 3D printed, but it is very capable. It does a lot of what the, a lot of what this, this device did, like the dual ESP, but the, the Nyan box does Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and then it does jamming as well, which jamming is a federal crime. So, but people can still do it. Doesn't mean people aren't going to commit that federal crime, so you could jam, which I'll show you here. I can choose, let me a second here. I get into the actual jammers. Yeah, I have W-Land-jammer, meaning I can jammer. You see that on the top there? Yeah. So I can jam your Wi-Fi network right now, and if any of these cameras are hooked up to Wi-Fi, it's going to knock them offline. Like not using that D-A-Oth attack I was talking about earlier,

just broadcast, very similar to the Chinese, broadcasting the same frequency at such a high I guess what's the better way to explain it? It's flooding the air with so much garbage on the same frequency that it doesn't know how to communicate anymore. That's what jamming, that's

how it works. And then there's all kinds of cool features that are, I'm skipping over, but there's actually one in here that has protocol kill. Here we go. kill Wi-Fi, kill video cameras, like,

meaning wireless cameras, doorbells, kill RC, like drones, RC cars, anything that uses a remote controller, just kill that frequency, Bluetooth, Bluetooth low energy, USB, wireless, like USB mice and keyboards. This is for, what does he have here? Zigby, that's another protocol.

and then enter up 24, that's basically the same thing as what I was saying earlier with the keyboard and mice thing, but still a different, it's all of these different things. I can choose which one, so let's say I do wireless camera, I click it, and then I can start that attack, and it will knock those cameras immediately offline. So that's one thing, and then the last thing I'll show you

with this device is the Sour Apple attack. So you're on the brand new version of iPhone, of iPhone, right? I'm a little behind here. They just came out the new one. Like, you're at least above version 18. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm not going to break your phone.

All right, so I just enabled Sour Apple. Mm-hmm. Do me a favor and unlock your phone real quick. You can even put it in airplane mode. It's not going to change anything. It's an airplane. It already is? Join this Apple TV.

Yep, here. Keep hit next. You're in airplane mode right now. Connecting. I hit. You're an airplane mode right now, so you shouldn't be getting any connections, right? Apple TV keyboard, password auto. Keep going.

Wireless audio sync. Yeah, I just got a transfer phone number option. I just keep to see so you can see the screen. Sign in. You probably shows your iCloud ID, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so like, you know, little things that little op-sec mistakes that Apple makes right there that I could have pop up on someone's screen.

Transfer phone number. Yeah. AirPods. But, you know, at that point. Set up Applevision Pro. But it makes it so your phone's unusable, even if you're an airplane mode. And the only way to avoid that is to go into settings and disable Bluetooth. Not from the control center or an airplane mode.

You got to go in your settings and turn Bluetooth off. I just assumed, and I think most people do, when you turn airplane mode off, your phone is turning all channels off, but it's not. So this just disrupts just about anything that's wireless. Well, that one, I did the attack towards the phone, but I do have some ways that I could do it with Windows, computers, or Android phones.

I have different attacks, but yeah, yeah, it makes it, the older versions, it crashes the phone completely. The beta version of the newest version for iPhone, like iOS 26, it was crashing that too. But the newest version, it's not. It's just, it makes your phone unusable. Like, with so many, you can't use it with that many notifications popping up.

I want one of these, too. Yeah, I can ask them to send you on. They 3D printed it for me. Do you ever think about, you know, when you're working with Sentinel Foundation in another country and you're going at your hunt predators, I mean, do you ever, I'm just curious, Do you ever run the jammer so that nobody can tap into your phones?

Nobody can listen in. Nobody can do any of that while you're having like a face-to-face conversation. Let's say you guys are doing your brief. So we use Faraday bags. So I haven't had, like I've never had to do that with a jammer. But we do throw stuff in Faraday bags. And I mean, I, you see me, I'm nuts with it. I put my laptop in a Faraday bag.

I have, like, that's actually something I'll bring up. I know. I'll save the rest of it for the end, but the, like, we donated in collaboration with this company. We donated 130-something recently to law enforcement in Peru. And the reason why these bags are important for phones, like if no one knows, a Faraday bag, if you're unfamiliar for the people that are watching, it just blocks signal from going in and out. So when, let's say there's a predator or a trafficker and they get arrested and the phone gets seized, right? You put their phone just like this in the bag, and then now it is locked. This phone has zero signal right now. It's not getting in or out of the bag. So let's say you're law enforcement and you

are trying to make sure that that evidence stays intact. You now have the ability with Apple, with ICloud, with Android, you can wipe that phone remotely. So before they even get back to the station, somebody could wipe that phone and all your evidence is gone. But if you keep that phone in a Faraday bag, then your evidence stays preserved. And, you know, one thing Sentinel did recently was make sure that law enforcement was equipped with these bags because they're cheap. And, you know, certain companies are more expensive. This one's a little more than others. They're just a nice brand. But there's other brands that are, you know, like $10 a bag, $20 a bag. And that could be the difference between a guy doing, you know, no time in prison or, you know, the rest of his life. Yeah. So I think

they're very important. Yeah, let's take a break. All right, Ryan, we're back from the break, but now we're going to get into some heavy stuff on why you came here. We're going to pick up with some childhood stuff. We're going to talk about some cybersecurity. And then we're going to get into everything you're doing now and more specifically the 7-6-4 satanic cult. But before we do, a couple things, you know, everybody gets a gift, even though I already gave you one, but some things never change around here, Ryan.

Vigilence League gummy bears. Are they still legal in 50 states? RFK hasn't, you know, kicked him off the... Wow. Off the shelves. I don't know how you're getting away with this. I mean, either, you know. I mean, all kinds of talks.

in there, but it does taste good, and there's no drugs in there, so that's good. None? But, um, they're still legal in all 50 states. But, uh, and then you know about Patreon. We've got Patreon community that had been with us since the beginning, and, um, you know, I always give them credit. They're the reason that I get to sit here with you today. Well, I, let me say something before you say that. So the Patreon group, one of your staff members, showed me some of the amazing comments,

because I guess you guys put a post out saying like Ryan Montgomery's coming back on if you have any questions. And there was, he said three times the amount of comments that he's ever seen, which was heartwarming for me, obviously. So I was like, I want to go on there and thank them. So I opened up my phone. And I guess since I'm a $5 a month member and I'm not I don't have enough to ask a question or whatever, I couldn't see my own post. And, and I'm in the middle of us talking like, you know, prior to our breaks. And my phone's er, er, er, and I'm like, come on, please, microphone, do not be picking this vibration up. And I thought people were texting me or calling me,

but it's your Patreon going wild right now. No shit. Yeah, so if anyone hears any vibrations, it's the Patreon people just being extremely supportive. So thank you guys. Right on, man. So one of the things I do, obviously, I just, you just kind of brought it up there,

but we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. So this is from Jeff Bishop. What are ways that someone aspiring to get into white hat hacking can get experience? What technology can average Americans use to protect themselves or become more efficient in cybersecurity for day-to-day life? Okay, so I think the first thing that comes to mind is using all of the resources that are available right now, like capture the flag platforms. So there's a few of them. Obviously, I favorite try hack me because that's the one that I, you know, I'm quote, unquote, unquote, number one on even, yeah, number one on their leaderboard, but number one on

their platform or whatever. I love tri-hack me, and I'll explain why in a second. But there's tri-hack me, there's Hack the Box, there's, there's, there's, there's a, there's a bunch of them, even, even it's, the name is slipping me right now, but a good friend of mine Nahamsac has his own platform that he's building out, look him up, but there's, there's a ton of awesome platforms you can learn on that not only are capture the flag style, meaning like you have to get, you know, you have to solve a challenge and get the flag before somebody else and you get more points where it's more competitive, there's walkthroughs that teach you just the basics of networking or the basics of how to use Windows, how to use Mac, how to use Linux, how to use a cell phone, how do

you do you do forensic on a cell phone, you know, you name the category, there's a walkthrough for it on try hack me, hack the box, etc. And I would recommend as somebody, let's say you've never touched a computer, excuse me, never touched a computer in your life. You join one of these platforms, you click the complete beginner tab, you start going down each one of those tasks individually. Some of them are going to be boring, but the cool thing is a lot of them are hands on. So not only are you reading, but you're learning as you go through each category and you're seeing the result of what you've done. So like one of them is, I remember on TryHackMe in the beginning, like I brought a lot of people on to that platform. And I don't,

own it or anything, but I like the platform. One of the first ones is hacking a bank. So it's a fake bank that they have set up, and your goal is to transfer funds from one account to your account, and it shows the vulnerability in that specific case of how you would move the funds over, but they explain it in such a simple way that anyone can understand. Interesting. And then it gets progressively harder, but anything that gets harder, you've already learned in previous steps.

So this whole website is like an education for people wanting to hack. so half of it is that and then the other half is competitive hacking where we're already experienced hackers are competing to get the first it like the first it's called first bloods but meaning like the highest level of permissions on that that computer and um and a lot you know the reason why i got first place and why i have the most points is because i got that first first you know first bloods on almost well almost all of the three challenges a week for six months straight and you get double the points per question that you answer if you're the first person to answer it gotcha so that's why i ended up in first position uh by you know i have like a 20,000 point lead and the funny things they had to change

their whole point system so because of me um they so now when you like they have weekly leagues now where like there's a bronze league they're going all that's like sapphire diamond and then like there's a weekly winner based on your point numbers and then once you go to the overall leaderboards there's a it defaults to the monthly leaderboard whoever's winning for the month and then if you click a button that says all time and it defaults to the country you're in so you whoever's the first number one in that country and then if you click that and you go to all countries then you see me at the top so you got to go through four steps to see that i'm number one on the platform now whereas before it was just you didn't even have to be signed into the website you could just click

leaderboards and you'd see how it's at the top but they changed it because i get it it's not motivating to the users if there's no way that they can overtake me unless they spend five plus years and I quit. I understand why they did it, but it was funny to say the least. And the reason why I bring up Trihacmi and all these other platforms is it's a great place for you to learn. Great place for you to join a community, which as I've talked about in the past, is the foundation of how I've learned, community, mentors, people, you know, actually spending time. And I, you know, I'm not, I was never scared to ask questions, and thankfully, like I was talking about with the mesh-tastic radios and off-the-grid communications, like those people are all, a lot of them are ham radio guys. Like, they're super willing to help.

You just have to ask nicely and try to be part of their community. They don't expect anything in return from you. And it's the same goes for these cybersecurity platforms. So highly recommend that he does that. And while learning offense, I think that offense is your best defense. No kidding. Yeah, because if you know how to attack, you know how to defend. So being aware is one thing, but knowing how that attack works in the first place

means you know how to defend against it. So it kind of answers the question, I think, in both ways. So what is something for people that aren't going to learn how to attack, for, you know, people that aren't tech savvy, what is something that they can do to take cybersecurity more seriously? I think educating themselves watching videos then if they don't want to go through

learning anything about it, like on a hands-on level, learning, you know, by just listening to people like myself, watching some of my PSA videos, I like to call them, because they're short, like, 15, 30-second videos where I just talk about an important topic. This is what's the danger is. This is what you can do to fix it.

And I keep it really sure it's simple to the point. You could do that. You could Google, like, how can I stop hackers from hacking my Wi-Fi or, you know, watch a YouTube video on it? And maybe there's something like, if you buy this new router, there's currently no vulnerabilities. You know, like, that's, I guess, the simplest way I can put it. But, like, if you want. And I'll say just watching your Instagram, TikTok feed.

I mean, it's, you start to put down these videos after our, after our interview three years ago. I go crazy, but I mean, it's everything from talking about the bark app, you know, for parents to erasing your, your residence off Google Earth, racing your address. Like, there's a ton of, like, really good information on all of your social media pages that are, I mean, it's just good stuff that a lot of people don't think about. I genuinely appreciate it. And, like, you know, for me, it's simple, too. You make it sense. I try to. And I pissed off so many of the neckbeards, like the cybersecurity guys out there that, you know, like, you know what? I'll go into this because it's important to me. When I was a young kid, I was bullied like crazy. I was bullied because I looked different. I acted different. I didn't really fit in. And when I say bullied, I don't mean just them hurting my feelings by saying things to me and, you know, whatever. I was, you know, physically, I didn't grow up in the greatest areas. go to the greatest schools and I'll get into more of that too but um you know I was I was bullied

on a level that in most kids wouldn't make it through you know and and I and I coped with it in my own ways but um I uh I I'm sorry the uh the I'm missing I forgot what I was going to say again it happened me again bullied you're getting bullied yeah I was getting bullied but but what was I originally bringing up why I'm being bullied what were talking about before that Sorry, I just lost my train of thought because I was trying to think of something else. Crap, right? Well, we could sit here all day

and try to figure it out. No, you asked me a question, no. You asked me a question, and it was, this is important. What can people do? I was talking about your page. I said it's, if anybody look at a learn about it. Oh, the cybersecurity scumbags.

So if you can... Neck beards. Yeah, the neck beards. So if you, I mean, I would really appreciate if you cut that out. Because I want them to know. I don't want them to make fun of the fact that I couldn't remember that I was making fun of them. But, uh, so these neck beards, when I was getting bullied like crazy as a kid, you know,

like on another level, getting, like, you know, the crap beaten out of me all the time by multiple people getting jumped, you know, and moving all over the place, different schools, never, never finding a safe place. The one safe place that I found was the internet. I had the cybersecurity community, the little one that existed back then, which was AOL Instant Messenger and IRC. That was it. There was nothing more than that. In the beginning, slowly a couple of things started to come out, but they were the nicest people to me. That's where I felt the most at home. That's where I felt the safest. That's what made me happy at the end of the day. And, you know, like I think Bryce actually said it said it well. He said like, you know, kids go around every day that they come home and rule the world. That's what it felt like to me.

You know, it felt like a community, and it felt like maybe it's a bad way to put it, but it felt powerful, you know, something that I didn't feel as a kid. And then for me to come on to this show and start talking about gadgets and talking about cybersecurity and trying to simplify it on purpose, like, you know, and I've never claimed to be the best hacker in the world, never did any of those things. For them to say what they've said about me and treat me the way they've treated me over the last three years. It's very disheartening, man. I mean, now I know I have a lot of support out there. I have a lot of love out there from people, but it isn't the cybersecurity community. It's far from

the cybersecurity community. They've showed me how ruthless they are, how divided they are, how opinionated they are, how, you know, like I said, their neckbeards, they're actually types. I just can't handle it. I don't want, and I really bother me in the beginning. All of my insecurities, they validated, you know, which I understood. Like, I understand I have two different ears. One's going one way than the other. I understand I have a dysfunction in my jaw where my jaw doesn't open wide enough. I understand that I'm skinny. I understand that, you know, one of my eyes is lower than the other one. Stop staring at my face, dude, you know? Like, you're the one watching me. You know, I don't care. Like, but I did, though. I'm not going to lie and say

it didn't bother me, but it did bother me at first. It genuinely did. And I care. I, I, I, Now, like I said to you earlier, I don't know if it's going to make it into the show or not, but like, I intentionally want to aggravate them. Make the title number one ethical hacker. Like, I seriously couldn't give a crap less in the nicest way possible. And yeah, yeah, so thankfully, I see that the 99.99% that aren't cybersecurity people, they seem to be getting along with me well. And that makes me feel very good and happy and grateful. and, you know, it's just, once you get on to Reddit and Twitter, like, where the neckbeards live, where they sit in their little basement on their computers, mad at the world, I just don't want any part of it.

It's lonely at the top, Ryan. I guess so, man. You're figuring that out. I'm figuring it out, yep. But you're doing great. Yeah, they'll love, you know, the gadgets and love them telling me how this one's wrong or that's wrong. It's like, shut up, dude. Nobody cares.

you know that's the truth yeah yeah dude you can't listen to those fucking people man they don't have anything better to do we we spent maybe an hour about it last night you get to think they have nothing better to do than to sit there and talk shit about you not get better at hacking not better their life not go make a better living not go get a fucking girlfriend or a boyfriend they just want to fuck with you that's exactly right that's how that's how That's how pathetic their existence is. They're going to waste all of their time. And just to make it...

Talking shit about you on the Internet. And you will never even fucking meet them. That's exactly right. And even if I do meet them, I'm not going to know who they are, Sean. Because they hide behind aliases. They make a... They go out of their way to watch the videos that make an account, set up a fake email, confirm the email, put a fake profile picture.

If they even do that, leave a comment, send a message, do whatever they do. Like, you're spending more time on me than... I am on you. Who is the loser, bro? Yeah. Like, it's absolutely mind-blowing. But then, like, like I said to you yesterday, like, I go to these hacker conventions, like 30,000 people there. I've gone to some that are smaller, but at DefCon the last, I spoke, I did the keynote the last four years straight. Yeah, even prior to our first episode, I did the keynote with, it's called Red Team Village. And not one time out of 30,000 plus people, has anyone come up to my face and says something negative? And I'm not.

exaggerating when I say I've taken over a thousand pictures every single year, other than the first year, of course, because nobody knew how I was. But last three years, thousand pictures, easy. Lines of people. They want to take, like, not an ego thing, like, it's just fact. Not one of them said a negative word to me. And it's like, I guess maybe because I grew up in a different spot a little harder than some of these people, but like, like, I, if you got, if you're going to talk, like, behind a screen and you're going to say it to my face, like, be ready to I'm not a violent person, don't get me wrong, but like, if you come at me, I'm, I'm coming back at you. I grew up in a spot where that's, that's where, that's how things go.

I'm never going to attack somebody for no reason, but if you're going to say what you're saying to me online and threaten me and my family and all these things, then you better in real life do the same thing. Yeah. So I'm not claiming to be big, bad, or anything like that, but I'm not just going to sit back and let somebody bully me or take advantage of me as a grown man. It's not happening. That's the nicest way I can put it.

Sorry, I just... It's all good, man. You can't pay attention to these fucking people. I don't. I really don't, and I wanted to make it clear that I did, and I don't care anymore, and now it's just entertaining for me. Let's move on with the interview.

Mm-hmm. You ready? I am ready. All right. We left some stuff out in childhood last time. Yep, we did. What did we leave out? So this is...

So, all right, I made it pretty clear, had a serious drug addiction at a very young age. Um, and so did most of my family on my dad's side, not my mom's side, my dad's side. And unfortunately, lost a ton of them, lost all a ton of friends. I talked about that a little bit the last time. Since our last interview, I've lost three more family members. Um, and I showed you, uh, actually today, what my cousin on my dad's side is on one of those random street inter- reviews, you know, whacked out on fentanyl. And it's, you know, it's my, so, so just the reason why I say that is I grew up with drugs as a serious problem around me at almost all times,

friends and family. And my mom's side of the family was, was probably one of the most valuable pieces because I didn't have that really as much of a problem on that side. When I was really young, though, just kind of skipping right into a story. I was probably 11 years old, and I'm hanging out with the bad kids in the neighborhood, you know, and like, I won't name them, but there was three of them. And we decided that we wanted to grow some weed. And I, you know, that wasn't a hardcore drug or anything, like, as an 11-year-old it is, but like, whatever the case is, we decided we wanted to grow some weed. And I hate weed. I can't stand it. The feeling makes me freak out. There's no weed on this planet I've ever had a good reaction to. So never liked weed, but I like

the idea of growing it. I don't know why, maybe because I'm a nerd. We agree that we're going to move these plants, these little baby plants between all of our houses and try not to get caught by our parents, of course, you know, because that wouldn't be good. One of the kids, skipping a ton of details. One of the kids tells his mom that I have the plants at my house. The mom hated me already. And the mom calls the local police. Police call my mom. My mom gets brought into the station with me. They happen to do some stuff. Some type, they committed some crime. And the cops are accusing me of this crime. And then I had nothing to do with it. And then they have my mom kind of cornered and confused and like letting her know, like, hey, we know about these weed plants that you have in

your house. Just let us know about it. We'll take care of it. And they convince my mom that there's no big deal. Like, you know, they're just going to come by and pick up the plants and it's going to be over with. Like, that's what they had my mom thinking. I'm 11. I can't tell my mom that's all right. You're 11? Yeah. You're growing pot at 11? Yeah. Holy shit, dude. It wasn't a crazy operation, but they made it out to be. So what ended up happening was we're at the police station, sitting there with my mom. My mom believes that the cops are just going to come in there, and they gave my mom two options. Either let us come pick it up, or we'll sit out front and wait until a warrant, you know, blah, blah, and then a warrant comes in, and then we can go in

and get them. So either way, you're giving up the plants. It's basically what they put my mom in the position of, and she was unaware of this situation. It's not like my mom's like, yeah, grow weed in the house, you know, it wasn't like a thing. And I'm just a little boy. The cops promised my mom that they're not going to make a spectacle out of it. It's not going to be a thing. They just want to get the plants out. She believes it. They come. They take the plants. The whole neighborhood's outside. They're taking the plants. They're little plants, but they're, you know, maybe this tall. There's a bunch of little baby plants that are just little, they're calling it. Like, there's the German, germination stage, like after the seed start to grow a little root. Like, and you just

to see a little piece of plant coming out of the soil. Like, most of them were like that. And then there was like two or three of them that were like this tall. And the cops bring them outside. with no bags covering them. The whole neighbors embarrassing the crap out of my mom at that time. And the cops charged me with possession with intent to deliver

for that like I was a drug dealer. They charged me with cultivating marijuana and the charge, it was something to do with vandalism or something, but something I had nothing to do with the other kids. I wasn't even involved in it, but they charged me with it anyway.

And that was my first time ever getting in trouble, but that turned into probation. That didn't turn into any type of facilities or any type of detention centers or anything like that. This was just probation where I had to go pee in a cup with a juvenile probation officer who, you know, was strict but wasn't anything like what I'm going to get into later. And, you know, when you're, when you're that young, you're doing the wrong thing, you're in the wrong areas, you're hanging out with people that are doing serious drugs, like because I had 11 years old as hanging out with bad people, I started doing

more, you know, more, what's the word for it? Sorry. After, you know, after being on probation, you're at your own, like, you're at way higher risk of getting in more trouble because you have to check in if you get, if you don't show up on time, if you pee in a cup and you fail for a different drug or any drug for that matter. If you don't, if you don't do anything, correct, You're getting a violation and you're going to juvenile detention, bare minimum, and then sent to a rehab, residential program, or whatever, and whatever they want to do to you, they're going to do to you. So I get in trouble way more times with different drugs and being on probation. I'm failing drug tests. I'm in school, getting in trouble, getting caught with drugs, and, you know, all of these. What, what, how old were you when you started drugs?

11. You started at age 11? I started messing with various drugs at 11, like including weed, you know, and alcohol and all the, like, you know, just stuff that people usually start around 15, you know, 14, 15, not that it's okay to start at that age, but that's the average based on, I think, what I know. The ecstasy and all of that stuff started very, very soon after just the experimenter experimentation phase. Because, like, don't even really count weed as the experimentation phase because I hated it from the beginning. It freaked me out so bad that I couldn't even smoke this stuff. But for whatever reason, I loved ecstasy, as I told you the first time. And then the come down of ecstasy sucks so bad that when somebody introduced me to opioids,

the come down, it made it way easier. And then I realized I liked the opioids better than I like the ecstasy. And that's why I stopped going to the raves and all that stuff in Philly like we talked about. So all of that's happening. I'm failing drug tests for opiates and benzos and amphetamines because of other situations I'm going to get into. But this is all in a very, because remember, my drug problems were 11 to 17. So it wasn't that long, but a lot happened in that short period of time, if that makes sense. So long story short on that, I'm on probation.

She violates me and I end up in the juvenile attention center time after time after time for all these different stupid petty crimes, all revolving around drugs, nothing violent, nothing, anything other than, you know, I'm not saying what I did was right, but like stealing stuff or having, like, I got it. Self-harm. It was all self-harm stuff. Yeah, all stuff that was doing to myself. But then the only thing that wasn't was, was actually a pretty crazy story that I'll tell you, was, which actually goes into another one with my dad, a guy who was a grown man,

who was married to a grown woman who was actually even twice his age. was picking me and those kids up in the neighborhood at a very young age, 12, 13 years old, picking us up 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. I remember we had a ladder on the side of my bedroom window, and he would pick us up, and we'd get in his car, he would drive us to all these different cities in Pennsylvania, and he would park at the end of the block, and we would just go check all the door handles down the block for each car

and see all the change, the GPSs, like back 10 GPSs were in everyone's cars. and, you know, if they, like, go into their glove box and see if they had emergency gas money in there and whatever they had that was worth something, we would take it, we'd give it to him, and then at one point he would, you know, he would sell the stuff. So what I found out later about this guy, and I'm wrong for that, it was fueling a drug addiction at this time because, you know, remember at this age, I'm doing opioids, are very expensive, and then that turned into heroin, and we've already talked about that story, so I'm trying to skip that. But the guy, the craziest part about this is at one time he tells me, hey man, take home some of this stuff. So I took home a ton of the stolen merchandise. And at one point he had a revolver in his bedroom. And I was like, you know, I never had a gun before,

never shot a gun before at that time. And he gives me this revolver. There wasn't any bullets or anything, but he gave me the revolver. And I had this, and I had all of this stolen merchandise. dice and the next morning it's boom boom boom boom you hear just knocking out the door like loud like it sounded like the SWAT team was at my house the cops are at the door guns out my family my mom I stepped out at the time it's out the door and they uh you know they see guns out so it's like obviously serious and um and they're like where's the gun where's the gun they know about the gun

and I didn't tell anyone about the gun so they go right up into my bedroom they know exactly where this gun's at. They go right to grab all the stolen merchandise. I get charged with 110 counts of receiving stolen property. I got a weapons charge for the revolver, even though I had no bullets or whatever. I wasn't planning on using it, but I had it. I find out this guy that's been picking us up every night was an informant for a completely different case. So this guy's committing crimes while he's an informant with children. He's using children to rob cars to fuel his addiction while he's a police informant. So, and so him and his wife end up in the newspaper, his name's Thomas James Gallagher,

who actually just got arrested recently for, unfortunately, murdering a third, or not an 18-year-old girl in a DUI situation, but, yeah, so he, he did that later in life. And, uh, but what he did to me was wrong, too, but he was in the papers for that, too. And, uh, it was called like kitty, kitty car thieves or something was the title of the news article. and whatever the case is the guy has he must have had some really bad luck because he ends up on the same block

as my dad and my dad is very different looking than I am like we have similar eyes and like features but my dad is like a six foot gorilla like bald head like very different than me and my dad finds out that he is T.J. Gallagher

on the block and my dad and he's talking about like you know I know your son blah blah blah my dad punches him right in his jaw breaks his jaw in the in the George W. Hill Correctional Facility his jaw got wired shut they transferred my dad to a state prison to get him away from this guy and my dad was sticking out I mean as much as my dad has gone like I said the last time has done drugs and has been in and out of jail and done some dumb things in my life like my dad cares about me. It's just drug addiction is tough. And I lost, you know, my family to it. I lost, you know, his most, like my sister, Ariana, she's my half-sister, but I call her my sister and my brother

Danny. Their mother, Lauren, which was my dad's, like, kind of basically his wife and their parents, she passed from an overdose, you know, semi-recently. And a lot of people have passed recently. And, but my dad, the reason why I say that is, is he has a lot of problems at the moment. He just got hit on a, he was on an electric scooter. He got hit at 65 miles an hour by a car. And he broke almost everything from his stomach down to his ankles. And like, if you've seen the pictures, it would blow your mind that he's alive. My dad, on the other hand, has been shot, stabbed, lit on fire, and now hit by a car.

And I could tell you every each one of those stories individually, and he's still alive. So the man has a wild story within itself. It's just still happening current day. My dad's story is not over. Like, it's still live action, you know. But my dad has always cared about me, and he loves me. I know that, but it's really hard to be present as a father for, you know, 32 years when your main focus is alcohol and drugs. and if you're in prison or jail

even if you're in jail at the east for that case he was in jail for something but then he got more time for breaking that dude's jaw like I know he loves me I know he cares about me but it was tough going back to another time my dad

went to jail though and the bullying scenario there was this kid named Charlie I won't say his last name because I don't want to embarrass him because he's probably older now and doesn't want probably is very different than he was

when I was a little boy but in the middle of all is bullying this kid Charlie, his parents were really rough on him and weren't letting him stay at the house. So I was letting him stay at my house, but my mom hated him. My mom didn't want him around because she heard bad things about him from other parents. And I just lied about his name and never told her his real name. So she called him a fake name for a long time. Out of nowhere, the kids that were bullying me got him to join the I Hate Ryan group. And it was all over something stupid. If I can remember it was about like a fake hit of acid that was sold that like I don't even remember doing to

be honest with you but all of these people just wanted to hate me and they wanted to arrange this fight to happen at this park and the goal was for me to fight Charlie one-on-one so a guy that was my friend that I was giving a place to sleep every night you know at risk of me getting in trouble for lying about who he was for a while now he wants to to fight me so I'm like all right dude let's go my mom freaks out about it of course because she's my mother and she calls my dad which she never would do unless it's an emergency

because my mom and my dad are like very different people, oil and water you know my mom is just an angel never did drugs, never got in trouble very different person calls my dad my dad shows up to you know and he's wasted

he's on drugs he's with my sister and brother's mom Lauren at the time who passed but she was wasted had one of those big plastic cups full of vodka and Coca-Cola, like exactly what you'd imagine it to be. And they want to come with me while I fight this kid one-on-one to make sure everything's fair.

And I was like, okay, you know, that's all right if you want to do that. We show up with this park. No exaggeration to you, Sean. I'm not even embellishing this. There were 40 kids at this park that were trying to come at me. Like there's a basketball court in the back of the park, and then it's just a lot of, like, walkway up to it. It's like playground.

There's a creek. and then in the back was a basketball court. There was no exaggeration 40 kids there. So the goal was to fight Charlie one-on-one, and I was willing to do that. My dad comes up, he sees that I'm about to get attacked by a bunch of kids at the same time,

and he just starts swinging on kids. Like, he's punching all of these kids. He threw one into a bike, hit his head on a, you know, a peg on a bicycle. One of them, like, into the basketball court thing. Like, he hits Charlie, all these kids. Charlie's mom drives by after. she's screaming out the window, like, F-U-F to my mom, like, it was a disaster.

My dad gets arrested for beating up kids, obviously, does two years for that. For me, even though I didn't ask him to go fight a bunch of kids, what he didn't realize, even though he thought he was doing something good for me, and he stopped me from getting jumped by 40 people. And, you know, he tried to do what he thought a father would do in that scenario. But what happened was everybody now hated me even more because I got my dad, to go beat somebody up or beat everybody up for me, which I didn't, but it looked that way at the time. So it forced me out of that school, it forced me out of that town, and my dad had to do two years in prison for it. And, you know, he's never thrown it in my face, never done, like, as much

as I, like I said, my dad's a piece of work, he really is. He, he's surprising sometimes when it comes to those things. But I love him to death. I do, but he's just, he's not my mom. They're very different people, you know? And then, like I said, my grandfather was like a father figure to me my whole life, where I had stability with him. Who side? Mom side or dad's side? My mom side. My dad saw my grandfather was machete to death in Florida. What? Yeah, yeah, man. So my uncle Michael, my dad's brother, stabbed to death in Chichester, PA. My grandfather, machete to death on my dad's side in in Florida. My, my, uh, Uncle Richie overdoses on, uh, on fentanyl when it comes out by snorting it, not by injecting it. Um, Uncle Richie's daughter just was on that interview. All of the other

family is still currently on drugs. Uh, one of our long, like my dad's long term, uh, family friends just passed a couple days ago, three days ago named Paul Lozac. He just passed a overdose, most likely, but not 100% sure. So I don't want to say that in stone. I know his dad's a, like I just I don't want to embarrass the family so actually maybe I shouldn't even said that but um the uh you know I feel horrible for for his family and um my uh my grandma and my aunt they dealt with all of that you know losing all their kids and my aunt grew up with with some birth defects and she didn't make it very long she died a couple in between our interviews within a month or so of my grandmother passing away on my dad's side

So we had a double funeral, and almost everyone except maybe two people at the funeral were high, maybe three. Jeez, dude. Yeah, it's sad, man, but that's what Philadelphia and the surrounding cities look like right now. That is like some serious generational trauma. Yeah, I mean, there's so much more to the crime stuff, too. So I want to get into that, and I don't want to cut you off at all. I just wanted to finish that real quick. is just the, you're like, I don't want to make my dad look bad.

That's not why I'm on here, because I really don't, like, I know, I know that in a different world, in a different circumstance, he would not be the way that he is. And if he could beat addiction, and maybe one day he will, I know that he will be, he will be just as caring as I will be when I have my first kid. But I, you know, as of right now, I know he loves, loves me, and I can't change, I can't change him as a person. I love it. So I guess I'll keep it at that with him. And I'll get back into legal stuff when you're done. I don't want a tangent. No, it's fine, man. It's fine. I mean, you know, one question, I mean, growing up with that and still deal him with that side of the family

and all the addiction. And I'm kind of curious, you know, and you've owned recovery centers. Are you still involved in recovery at all? No. I mean, I've never claimed to, like, well, at one point, you know, I talked about how many years I was clean and all that. I don't do drugs. I don't drink. I don't smoke weed. So technically, yeah, I'm in recovery or clean if you define it in those words, but I don't practice it. So I can't, I wouldn't go to like an AA meeting or NA meeting and feel confident saying like, I am, I am something I'm not. That's not what I meant. I meant do you, are you still involved in helping people recover? Indirectly, yes. So like if somebody wants help, if somebody like, like, for example,

if my cousin that was just recorded in a street interview said, hey, I want to go to rehab. I have the connections that could put her in a place insurance or not. I'll make sure she gets help. And I do that all the time if people need help. So in that regard, yes. I own a health care company. I want to go into all the details because it's a whole irrelevant story. But we audit charge for behavioral health. And we do a great job at it. So it's still indirectly helping, you know, rehab stay afloat, do well, helping people that are in treatment, stay in treatment without their insurance kicking them out to the street so yeah indirectly yes not directly anymore you know where i'm going with this is i mean the fentanyl epidemic is massive it's huge huge

i mean china hundreds of thousands of people are dying from it having been through it having been through recovery you know and we talked a lot about this i mean you lost your best friend growing up I lost my best friend. We shared that story. There's this flag up there, you know. I mean, and so, you know, I mean, where I'm going with this is everybody knows somebody that's addicted to heroin, fentanyl, opiates, you know, one narcotic or another, and the addiction problem just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse.

And so somebody is as much experience as you have. I mean, what is your advice for somebody who has... a loved one who is addicted to heroin, fentanyl, meth, anything. Anything that's going to ruin their life. Because the reason I'm asking is I see, you know, I almost did it. I mean, you will see people with a loved one who's suffering from an addiction like that. Their life will, they will ruin their own life. Oh, yeah.

Trying to save somebody who doesn't want to be saved. and so that's kind of what I'm asking you know how do you totally understand what you're saying and I wish there was the perfect answer for it but you know you're you're going to hear the the common you know they need to want it like they need to want to be clean which is true I believe that they have to want to go through it they want to have a new life they want to have a new future to stop using I truly believe that but on the other hand they may not realize that they want it because they haven't been clean long enough to realize what the difference is.

Because their normal is high, or their normal is, what they believe is sober is high. So for them to want it would be pretty difficult. The only time they may want it is when they're sick, when they're withdrawing. So I think that, you know, forcing them to, because certain states like Florida, we have a baker act.

If you're a harm to yourself or others, you can be forced into a hospital. I think in certain cases, especially when you're doing this, new stuff. It's not just fentanyl. There's xylosine, metatomitone, all these tranquilizers that are not even opioids that Narcan can't bring you back from if you're overdosing. If you really, if you want to, you know, if you, like, you may need to like, those, well, I'm sorry, the tranquilizers, even if you are smoking them, if you're snorting them, if you're swallowing them, they're

creating holes in your skin like that. I don't know if you're seeing crocodile, like the stuff that people inject like the cheap heroin, it's not real heroin, these tranquilizers are putting holes in people's arms and legs, and they're walking around Kensington, Philadelphia, looking like zombies with, like, actual legs and arms cut off. What? Yeah, yeah, you can look up videos. It's crazy. So, they're at a point where they're going to die from sepsis or from an abscess or from an infection or septic shock or whatever it ends up being.

force them into a hospital, force them to get over the physical withdrawal, get them into a program if you could somehow pull it off and see what happens. But I can't make any promises. Addiction, the only reason that I stopped was because I had enough time away. I was forced.

I had no choice. And I want to get into something real quick. So before I got clean, I was still actively using. I got sent to all these different schools. I went to Bucksmont Academy, which was a pet smart that got converted into a school. And there was no walls. It was just a big warehouse that had rolling dividers for the classrooms that you could reach your handover and you'd be in the other classroom.

That was my high school for ninth grade, I believe it was. And then, like I said, I dropped out going into 10th grade. But I did ninth grade a place called Bucksmont, which was for bad kids. or, because I had what was called an IEP. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, an individual education plan. It's for kids that have learning disabilities, whether it be you have trouble reading, you have trouble with math, or in my case, it was from trauma or it was called an emotional support IEP.

So they realized I wasn't getting along with kids in my school. There's a lot of fights, a lot of problems. So they decided to send me to Bucksmont, which was a Petco or PetSmart, or I think it was a petco, pet co, that was converted into a school. Lots of fighting in there. there. Lots of, you know, not the greatest education. Some of the teachers met very well, but not the greatest education you could get. And crazily enough, and I know people are going to comment about this and say that I was abused. And maybe it's categorized as that way. But the

guidance counselor at Bucksmont was in college and I was, you know, like 14. How old would you be in ninth grade? Like 15 or 16? Ninth grade? Yeah. I think you'd be, you know, 14, 15. Yeah, so she knew, she was my guidance counselor, she knew how old I was because she was my guidance counselor. And she had the nerve to come to my house one day. Her and I were texting talking to each other at that time inappropriately, and she had the nerve to show up at my house, meet my mother, and go up into my bedroom. And my mom didn't know who she was, so that's why there wasn't a fight about this. But the guidance counselor that worked at the college, like so she, I guess she was a college student as well as working at Bucksmont. technically I would just say

what she did was illegal I don't recall being traumatized from it if I was a girl saying the same thing I don't think I would agree with anything I'm saying if a guy was I know that it doesn't sound right it doesn't feel... What is she saying? What do you mean? What is she saying to you? Who are they a guidance counselor? Yeah. I mean

she came to my house in my room so like you know she was she the whole thing so she wants to have sex with you yeah yeah i mean like well yeah i mean we we talked inappropriately yeah yeah so if you want to say did it go into more than talking i mean i i'm not trying to get anyone in trouble but it's there's another situation that was inappropriate as well with a psychiatrist ironically what the with you with me yeah but it was I understand. Hold on. How old are you? You're in ninth grade.

You're in ninth grade. Yeah. And you have a guidance counselor wanting to have sex with you. And apparently you guys did some, maybe you acted on it. Yeah, there was maybe something happened. But either way, with bare minimum, like a little relationship we had for a short period of time. How did she show up at your house? He drove.

To do what? Were you there? I was home, yeah. Yeah, like she came up into my bed. bedroom and we i remember i have a vivid memory so she shows up to your house as a friend is a friend and your mom thinks that maybe this is another ninth grader or somebody yeah she was yeah like without going to details of who she is she was she did she looked younger she was in college yeah yeah so technically legally what she did was very wrong i don't feel traumatized from it nor do i

agree with what she did so don't get me wrong when i say that um but i don't feel like you know It's just everybody has their own thing, right? What I do feel a little bit upset about that I thought about later in life that contributed to my addiction problems is because my mom was so against me on being on medications, even before I did drugs,

she told the school with that IEP, the individual education, individual education plan, she was so adamant that I would be on no medications. She didn't want me on meds. And I understand that. like meds usually are a bad move for a kid and the school eventually says he either needs to be on meds or we're putting him somewhere else so my mom sends me to this psychiatrist who is a doctor and she at first gives me some antidepressants and you know nothing too crazy and um i have a bad reaction to one called pristique it was a it's also known as a fexor it's a it's a antidepressant s sri i had a bad reaction made me feel really weird maybe not feel good at all, like mentally.

I stopped taking that med. In between then, if you remember, the chat application, Skype. She reached out to me on Skype and told me that her husband, she believes, is cheating on her. And he is gone. He goes to Philadelphia all the time and goes to clubs. And would I mind checking out his computer to see if he was cheating on her? And I'm a little boy at this point. And I agree to it because it was like, okay, she's asking me for some.

something this is weird, but she's my psychiatrist, you know, whatever. So I agree to do that. I go through the computer, and now I start to realize, like, I know more about this woman. Like, I got her logins for things. I got, like, I got all kinds of things that I shouldn't have, and I'm addicted to drugs, and I can get this psychiatrist to give me whatever I want. So I kind of abused the situation because she went too far. She shouldn't have made anything personal about that relationship. And there's more to it. than that, but I'm going to keep that personal relationship at where it is, but she ends up prescribing me to, this is the, I'll tell you exactly what I was prescribed to as a little boy.

Three, two milligrams Xanax a day, so six milligrams Xanax. I was prescribed to one, 30 milligram Adderall, 10 milligrams of Ritalin, and 70 milligrams of VIVANs every single day. What's Vivan? Vance is a, is the same amphithe. It's called LIST extra amphetamine. And when you take it, the proteins and your liver convert it to dextra amphetamine. So it's just essentially another stimulant. And I was prescribed to three different stimulants at the same time with Xanax while I'm doing heroin.

And the psychiatrist knows it. She knows I'm on probation. She knows that I'm a heroin addict. She knows that I have leverage on her because of what she asked me to do and some other inappropriate things that she did. What are the other inappropriate things? I don't want to talk about it on here.

Why not? Because I don't want, it's over, you know? All right. I'll tell you off. camera it's it's nothing that i'm traumatized by are they sexual it's nothing i'm traumatized by and it's it's stuff that i right the reason i'm asking is i mean what you're doing right now is going after sexual predators yeah and then you just told me you had an encounter with one whether you're traumatized by it or not it's still wrong it's still wrong i mean she went into your home with

your mom there with your mother there and posed is a fucking friend instead of a guy guidance counselor yes i mean this shit's happening all over the all over the world yeah i know and then i minimize it i get it i understand i'm minimizing it for myself a psychiatrist and so what you say you're not traumatized by i'm i'm assuming that's another sexual encounter but these are these are professionals and i think it's important to highlight that because that's what we want to do here right this interview is to bring out how real this shit is who's doing this is who's doing it, you know, and the point that I'm making here is it's not somebody from the hood. It's not, or maybe it is, maybe it is somebody from the hood.

Maybe it's somebody from the trailer park. But it's also teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, guidance counselors, police officer, rabbis, as you just saw. Rabbis, priests. Yep. I mean, state troopers. State troopers. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

It is everywhere. It's everywhere. You cannot, like, you cannot profile. It's everywhere. Every, it's the rich, it's the poor, it's every race. Male female. It's male female. It is everywhere.

Yeah. So I just want to clarify, because if somebody else was telling this story, I would be going after them. Mm-hmm. But for whatever reason, internally, I don't care for myself, which I don't know how to answer why, but there is no situation where I think that's okay for anyone else if that makes sense. Yeah. I know it doesn't make a ton of sense probably to you because you're hearing from the guy. I understand it because you don't feel traumatized by it, which means you are, you are, you know, you. you're dubbing it down.

Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't feel... Because the effects for you weren't, you know, you don't think that they were traumatic. Yeah, well, they didn't take away my trust in women. They didn't take away, like, I don't know. It's just, it's not the average situation for me. But that doesn't mean that I agree with it. I don't, I obviously am highly against it.

That's what I focus half my life on. So I know it's, it's backwards and almost hypocritic. Well, let me ask you this. I don't lie to you and say I'm traumatized, but I don't feel traumatized. Without going to go. into detail and if you don't have to answer this but I mean did you enjoy it or yeah you did enjoy yes you didn't feel violated no no no I remember clear his day at 32

years old wanting to how did those relationships end then just I guess stop talking me getting locked up I mean I was locked up so many times as a kid like you ended it I'm sure just ended because I don't remember having to be like we're open You know? How old is this psychiatrist? The psychiatrist was substantially older than the... Forties, fifties? Forties, at the time.

So, yeah, substantially older. But the guidance counselor was a college student, so not that much older than me, but still an adult. I mean, you know, and then on top of that, like, what kind of fucked up women are these? You know, you got one that's a guidance counselor and another one that's a psychiatrist. And hear me out, you know what I mean? Not only are they not, not only are they targeting a, what, a 14-year-old, 15-year-old? Yeah. They're targeting a 14- or 15-year-old that is fucked up on opiates.

Yeah, and with mental health disorders. And anti-depressants. It's like you were targeted because of the situation that you're in. Well, that's from an outsider looking in. I don't feel that way, you know. So, like, I get what you're saying. and I would feel the same way that you're feeling. I just don't feel that way.

So that's why it's hard for me to comprehend. And I don't call it trauma for myself, even though everyone I've talked to has reacted in the same way that you do. I just can't lie and say, like, yeah, I'm a victim. I'm not, that's not where I'm going. Where I'm going is I'm just, you know, I'm shining the light on it. I'm saying, you know, this is prevalent. And the reason I'm bringing up is I.

I know it's wrong. That's why I'm bringing it up. Yeah. And I didn't bring it up ever before. publicly ever because I didn't want this yeah I know it's an awkward thing but um you know it's over with it caused the you know whatever if it caught the any damage that did cause me was being hooked on all that Xanax and the amphetamines it's more in your head like the physical addiction isn't really there with amphetamines it's more

of like a like you want it and you it's hard to function without them the benzos on the other hand taking six milligrams of Xanax it's really really, really hard to stop. So for her to give me the max dose that I feel like you could have given a kid at that time, that was a very bad move. And then she even got it when I went to the detention center. She was making sure I was prescribed to it in the Lima detention center, which was in Delaware County where I grew up.

She made sure that I was on all those meds in a jail cell. So like I was consistently messed up. And then eventually I was in Lyman Detention Center and a guy named Dale, he was one of the guards there who I saw, still talk to current day. Dale realizes I'm sleeping every day all day long, and he's worried about me. He goes to the nurses station. They pull me off the meds.

But since I was one of, if not the only kid ever to be prescribed to these medications in the detention center, they don't know how to detox me properly. So they got me on Suboxins to get off of the opiates. They got me on the Xanax and all of the stimulants. They cut me off all the stimulants, and they just half the Xanax immediately. They won. And then no Suboxins. So I'm going through opioid withdrawal, and I'm going through benzodia withdrawal all at the same time in a jail cell by myself on a cement bed with no TV, no extra food, nothing that's comfortable but some, you know, the flame-resistant blankets that are wool that, like, you know, make your skin itchy.

Like, it was, you know, one of the worst places you could detox ever. And I went through that many times in the detention center with heroin alone, but then mixing with the medications made it way worse. But every single time that I would get out, I would go right back onto the drugs, promising myself, myself and my mom, that I was done. So like I was saying earlier, addiction is really hard. It's just, it takes grips that you don't, you can't even imagine. And I, and if anyone's listening to this episode that has ever done drugs, like, nobody woke up saying, I'm going to put a needle on my arm.

Nobody woke up one day saying, I'm going to be an alcoholic. Nobody ever thought that that was going to happen to them. but in certain cases it does. So just don't even take the chance. And for me, I never would have guessed with all of the people that I had as examples to not be like that I was going to be just as addicted as they were.

So skipping a bunch of stuff because I know I'm going on for a while now about the childhood stuff, I get sent to a facility called Devro, which this is another mind-blower, man. So I'm in Devro, and Devereaux is a residential facility for kids to guys.

got in trouble and it's a long-term residential and I end up there for more drug charges and I'm in class because you still have to go to school when you're in these places. So this was actually before 9th grade. So I guess 8th grade around then, 8th, 9th grade, somewhere around that time. I can get the exact date when I read this thing to you. But I'm in the classroom and I remember I'm drawing a picture of the Monopoly guy like the like you know with the little magnifying glass thing. So I have a piece of paper on top of the Monopoly board.

I'm drawing him, and there's, like, there are the chairs that you sit in, but then there's, like, a table that goes out in front, and then there's metal that's holding, like, the table up. I'm drawing the thing, and I hear this kid behind me talking about that he has a gun, and I'm hearing, like, little pieces of it, but I hear that he has a gun. And I know that he just got back from a home pass, which means, like, he got the agreement to, you know, the weekend, and then he'd go back to the facility. Like, some of these kids are there for years.

years at a time you know like so getting a home pass is a big deal this kid somehow got a gun at least at this time i'm hearing i'm hearing the gun thing and i don't know if i'm about to get the back of my head blown off you know because i'm hearing about a gun behind me and uh out of nowhere i hear like metal but like this is plastic but i hear metal on the table like like like that and it was like almost like the kid pulled the gun out of the out of the bag and it hit the table that's what it sounded like so I turned around I'm like quickly thinking like I'm about to die you know I see this gun and obviously grab grab everything that I possibly could he had a backpack that he had the gun in I'm running down the hallway um I run into the front desk there's a gun there's a gun and I'm

screaming and like because I you know I'm in the school technically with a gun um the cops come uh I'm in I'm being held obviously in a room by myself at this time and the cops come they arrest this kid, they, uh, they send me home. That, like, within 24 hours, they sent me home because they didn't want other kids to retaliate because they didn't know what really was going on. So, uh, let me read to you, actually, the letter from the assistant district attorney at that time. Um, wait on one second. Because there's more, there's more to the story that's unbelievable and how unfairly things were just, how I was treated and, and even Like, I would count my mom in there, too, because she tried so hard.

And they just kept hammering, throwing the book at me for self-harm, as you said. Oh, here it is. So, February 25th, 2011. So actually, I would have been, I think 17 there. So it would have been a little bit later, right before I got in trouble for the last time. In the interest of Ryan Montgomery, dear Katie, who was my first, probation officer at the time as a juvenile. I'm writing to advise you in the court that the above juvenile, Ryan Matthew Montgomery, did assist the Commonwealth and the successful prosecution

of two other juveniles for the possession of a loaded functional 45 caliber handgun in the Devro facility where Ryan has been placed. On Friday morning, February 4, 2011, Ryan discovered that a juvenile was in possession of a firearm at the Devro facility, and he promptly notified the facility staff who recovered the weapon. to Ryan notifying the staff, other place juveniles had been aware of the presence of the firearm in the facility but took no action to alert staff. Ryan's testimony, if it had been needed, would have been vital to the Commonwealth's case. Ryan's actions are also commendable in that he acted where others failed to do so and may have prevented a very serious incident

at Devro. Ryan recognized the seriousness of the situation and disregarded any possible retaliation by others for alerting staff. It's a pleasure to write this letter for Ryan, to respectfully, Edward J. Gallen, assisted district attorney juvenile unit. And I'll show you the letter so you can see it's a nice letter. Like on a nice letterhead, it was obviously very nice of him to write that for me. So I'm home because they're scared that someone's going to retaliate and they send me back to court, you know, because they've got to figure out what to do with me, right? So I'm sitting at home for three or four days.

I go back to court, and I go into Master Kern, it was his name, was the guy. I give him that letter, my mom wrote a letter. He knows that I just stopped. Like, the kid's plan was, by the way, to shoot up the whole classroom and steal the teachers, to steal the teacher's car and take a couple kids with him. That was his plan. I stopped that plan. There was only one way out of that classroom.

So I genuinely believe that I would have died that day if I didn't act. Holy shit. And a lot of other kids would have been. dead too. So I'm home for a couple days. Obviously, for him to go out of his way to write this letter for me and all these people are commending me for the, which was, you know, I think a good thing for me to do at a young age. Master Kern, where do you think he sent me? He think he sent me back home? No. He sends me back to the juvenile detention center. The worst place he could have sent me back into a jail cell, back off of all my medications, to sit there for three months,

which is the max you can sit there until they place you, till they send me to another rehab, which wasn't a residential, thankfully, but another rehab where you usually stay about 28 days as a juvenile. I was there 38 days. I get out of there, relapse the first night, end up getting put back on parole. And it was a disaster, man.

And then eventually it ends up with a guy named Matt Pfeiffer, who a good friend of mine, Jim, he's an old man, who went to Vietnam, he's been in and out of jail a long time, but off drugs a long time. He had the same parole officer. as me. And he told, he said he was going to kill Matt Pfeiffer. He ends up getting locked up for saying he's going to kill Matt Pfe for like a long time. He didn't really mean it. He said it at the VA to his doctor. And, um, uh, the guy was very hard on me. I remember one day, this is, you know,

last thing I'll talk about legally, but I was, he told me that I didn't have a real job. And I knew that the affiliate marketing, I was making more money than him. That's the truth. Like, and, uh, he, he told me, I didn't have a real job. job and I needed to go to an office. So I found a place called answering service for director. So it was like for funeral directors. And I start working there. I got referred there by somebody else who was a previous heroin addict. That dude starts doing heroin in the bathroom at work. I get fired for not advancing fast enough on their computer systems. That was the reason they fired me. So, you know, that part was funny. But, you know, I wasn't. I wasn't. I was

I wasn't doing drugs. I really wasn't at that time. And I remember being in the parking lot and him telling me that if I didn't have a job that he was going to violate me, which I didn't realize he couldn't do at that time. I guess he could have figured something out, but whatever. I was on the phone my mom crying my eyes out thinking like, I am so screwed. And he was just so mean to me, man. He treated me so badly. And then when I failed a drug test for him, the last time I ever got ever, like I'm at 17 years. I failed a drug test for him. They put me in a really bad spot. This is what happened. I had a choice between doing house arrest for six months and going home that day while withdrawing. I had to make this choice. Or doing two years in a George Jr., a juvenile boot camp.

I chose to go home on house arrest and, you know, go with adult parole. And I failed two drug tests in two weeks because obviously I was withdrawing as a kid in a juvenile detention center. This dude, Matt Piper, violates me, re-sentences me for the possession when intended deliver of heroin, even though I wasn't selling heroin. I just had it in individual bags. That's how heroin comes. I can prove that, too. Like, literally, that's not just me saying that to make myself look good. I never was selling heroin. I just had it, and I was with people that we just picked up heroin. He violates me on that and resentences me for a failed drug test. Not because I got caught selling heroin or had more heroin on me, because I peed in a cup. the sentence on that looks at two to four years. So I'm sitting in, in the, George, George, Jr., I'm sorry, not George Jr., George, W. Hill Correctional Facility. I'm sitting there six plus months

waiting on a Gagnon 2 hearing, which you're supposed to get in the first two weeks. That's part of parole, whatever. And he eventually sentenced me as two to four years, and I got out with good time. If you count the juvenile and the adult stuff together, it's 20 months, and I finally get out of there. I had a couple of years left, the parole left to go. And the second that I got off is when I left for Florida. So like that that was the end. My addiction, the reason why I stopped wasn't rehab. It wasn't because somebody said something to me to change something. Wasn't because I looked at my family and was scared that I was going to die. It was because I spent enough time away from it. And in the worst possible scenario you can imagine, to, you know, I just didn't

ever want to get high again. It was over. The thought was out of my brain. Wow. And I just left Pennsylvania and never looked back. So that's, that's the actual story that I've never talked about before. Damn, Ryan. There's more to it, but I just, you know, I'm on a little bit of a rampage with what I'm saying. What more is there? Just all the different times I've been in trouble for stupid stuff. But it just, it was countless times as a kid.

Never as an adult once, but as a kid, countless. I mean... How do you maintain the relationship with your mom? I mean, you guys are really tight. We talk a lot about her. Love my mom to death. And my mom was there for me throughout all of this. My mom got sick.

Never gave up on you. She never gave up with me. Even when she got diagnosed with her first round of cancer, like, she's, like, I don't want to get too much under. It's going to upset me. But she's still sick and still going through stuff. But when she got breast cancer for the first time, she got chemo, radiation, and I was still using, I was still getting in trouble.

Like, I tried my best to leave her out of it. I really did, but like, she's the only one really there for me at that time. And other than my grandparents, which I didn't live with them because I had a stepdad at the time, which, like I said, my grandpa was like a dad to me. But I just want to, like, your mom is going through cancer treatment, battling cancer, and her son, you are still jamming needles on your arm. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot for a woman to go through.

I know, and I feel horrible. I mean, if I could take that back, I would do anything to take that back. I can't change it. All I can do is be a better son, and I think I'm doing a great job of that. Like, anything she needs now, if my mom wants to. go to Bermuda and she wants to be floating around, you know, in a hot tub in a hot dog outfit, I'll make it happen tomorrow for her. So I think that, you know, maybe it doesn't make up for the things I've done to her, but anything she wants, anything she needs, anything

that she's uncomfortable with, I will make sure that my mom is number one priority because she made me her number one priority when she didn't have it in her. My mom was a bartender for most of my life. Like, she worked just so that she could get food on the table for me. And she didn't have, like, you know, that's late nights and sometimes working days just because she couldn't do it. But she just did a lot for me, and I owe her the world. And where money really wasn't a thing for my family, she made up for it in every other way you possibly could.

So I love my mom to death. Damn, man. I'm just curious, you know, when you did get clean, when you cleaned it up, did you know you were clean for good? Yes. You did. Oh yeah. Yeah, I was, I would never, never getting myself put back in a facility like that again, never putting myself in that situation, never hanging out with the same group of people again. I was so done. I just wanted parole to be over with because I couldn't leave the state. So the second that I was able to leave the state, I was out. And that was it. That was the end of it. How did your mom take it? My mom was very, all of them, my grandpa, my mom. When you were clean for the final time, I mean, how long do you think it took your mom to realize he's good. She still texts me, hey, Rye, are you okay, every single day? She shares my health app with me current day. She sees my heart rate, my resting heart rate, my steps, my respiratory rate, my wrist temperature, you name it. My mom's got it. So I don't think that fear will ever leave her, sadly,

but she checks it. The second she wakes up, she makes sure that I got up with the health app on the phone. And if I don't answer her text, then she'll call me. If I don't answer, and this is only happen one time. But if I don't answer her calls, she'll start calling my friends. Because she knows I live alone, you know, and she lives in Pennsylvania. I live at the bottom of the country. Like, what if I'm in my house dead? Like, I know it's an extreme, but she doesn't know. So, she'll call my friends to make sure I'm all right. And I call her, I can't call her in the middle of the day, but I text her back. And then at nighttime, before I go to bed every night, I call her and say good night. And I've done that every night since I've left for the last 10 years.

Wow. Yeah. And I've been clean, if you count the year. years, over 14 years. So, long time. Congratulations, Matt. Thanks. Well, yeah, I got clean of 17, and I'm 32 now. So it's, it's whatever you, whatever that exact time frame would be. February, I got arrested again after that. So if you count whatever that date is in 2011, to now. I thought we were going to get arrested last time I was in Florida riding around in that Lamborghini of yours. Oh my gosh, dude, you were gunning it. You were gunning. We, we were, we were, we put that thing in sport mode, and he was just gunning it back to back and back.

Yeah, right past the police. Right past the police. And Sean was not like, it wasn't like he just gunned it once. We were on Ocean Ave right by the water in a Lamborghini, orange Lamborghini event at her. And he just gunned it, stopped. Gunned it, like he was like a kid on a roller coaster. He loved it. It was a good time. Okay, so before we go on the break, I just want to share something with you. So after all of that stuff, me getting in trouble, a million times as a kid, my family having a bad reputation with the last name in the area, Montgomery, just having a bad name in Delaware County, me getting in trouble. Like I said, all drug-related and petty crimes, but bad reputation with the cops, with everybody. I end up hanging

out with this kid, Vinnie, who brings me to a place called Lenai Fire Station, which was a very small firehouse down the street from a big mall that I used to hang out at. And there was a guy named Ken Collins, who was the chief of Lenai at that time. and he was also a police officer. He didn't know me, never heard of me, never knew anything about me. I go over to Lenai with my friend Vinnie, and I sit down in the office with, uh, I sit down in the office with Ken Collins,

and he's willing to give me a chance to be a firefighter at Lanai Firehouse while I'm on parole, while I have this record as a kid, while he doesn't know if I'm going to rob the firehouse for all the stuff to support my addiction. Like, he doesn't know anything about me. He just is willing to take a chance on me with, and no one else at this firehouse has any issues like I do. This guy just must have saw something in me that I didn't, and nobody else must have at the time. And I proved him right.

So I became a firefighter at Lenai, but I didn't have what's called Fire One or Hazmat, so I couldn't go into any of the burning buildings. I could just go on calls, and I could stand and watch and help with the tools, but that's as much as I could do. Then Lenny merges with this other firehouse called Lima, Lima Firehouse, which was down the street from the detention. center across the street from the mall, and it turned into Len, I merged with Lyman, became Rocky Run Firehouse. At that time, Ken got, he got the county, the same county that's put in my family through hell, they got, they paid for me to go to fire school. They paid for me to go through fire school. I didn't let them down. I showed up every single day, showed up on time. I passed the first time around. I went through the physical exam. I went through the written exam.

ended up my fire one in my hazmat. I became an actual firefighter for two years. And this man, like, he didn't have to do any of that for me. I called him later in life. And it was like, listen, man, like, I am so grateful for you, man. Like, you showed me that there are good people out there, you know, like people that care. And, yeah, that's it. I said, we can go on the break.

That's pretty cool, man, but I do have another question. Yeah. when you were getting clean what was what was the thing i mean it sounds like you had been in rehabs for a very long time i mean 11 to 17 right so many yeah in such a short period of time what was the i mean a lot of people are struggling with addiction right now yes millions of people yep what was it for you that was the i forgot to clean it up this was the last strike oh, this is rock bottom, what was it? Just being stuck in a cell for all that time.

You know, for, if you count the juvenile time plus the adult time, 20 months being locked away and not being around these addicts, like around any people, places and things is what they call it. Being around, not being around any of those places, people, or things, I think my brain naturally healed itself and realize, like, maybe you aren't a drug addict for life. Maybe you just are physically dependent on so many things, that you feel like you are and that was that was the truth because I don't care about drugs anymore

I could watch someone shoot up in front of me and I'm not going to think about using heroin not because I feel like it's more dangerous than it used to be I just don't I have no desire it's gone so I guess I guess I just needed the time away and as much as Matt Pfeer that parole officer that you know I don't know because he hasn't answered my calls I tried to connect with him as well he won't answer me even though I left the messages I would love to know if his intentions were good or bad, or he just didn't care. I'd love to know, but he's never actually answered me. Like, he inadvertently saved my life, whether he did it on purpose or not. I don't think I'd be here talking to you right now if I didn't get locked up for that last time. So, yeah, that's, that's,

that's what got me clean. It's not, it isn't like an epiphany moment that happened that, that changed the way that I felt about drugs. It just was the time away from it. Do you think there are people that are under the spell of addiction right now that don't see a way out? Yes. Oh, yeah. What would your advice be for them? They need to hospitalize themselves, and they need to be medicated and put, I mean, especially the tranquilizer addicts right now and the alcoholics, and, you know, they will knock you out so you don't seize, you know, so you don't go into seizures and all of the above.

Just, you know, get yourself into a hospital or a detox ASAP, and you're going to go through a very comfortable detox and then see how you feel after your body's cleaned up and then decide whether you want to go to rehab afterwards. But, you know, you're never going, nothing's going to change if you don't change anything. And if you don't want to change, you don't, like, you may not realize you want to change because you don't remember what it's like to feel good anymore. You just don't remember. So like I said earlier, just try it. What's the worst thing? You take five to seven days goes by and you say, screw it, I want to go back to this lifestyle. It can't hurt. Just try. There's people that care about you. Like, you might be somebody's brother or mother, brother, sister,

family, and you could be, like, people care about you. I don't care who you are. Somebody out there cares about you, and they don't want to see you destroy your life. And the least you can do for them is try to clean yourself up. And I know that I'm, I'm hypocritical because I could have done the same thing as a kid. And I really believed that I was doing that. Every time I did get help, I believed I was going to stop, and I couldn't. But, you know, hindsight's 20-20. And And I, yeah, just get help is really the best I could say. Even if you don't feel like you want it, just try it. Thank you for sharing that.

You went down, you did 70H, right? Yeah. So, not 7.O.H. directly. It's just, it's an alkaloid in the cratum or cryotum plant. So it's just, it's 7 hydroxy and metrogenin, or I was pronounced in many ways, but that's the way pronounce it um and uh it's you know with opioids i was able to take it was like way back before it was like gas station heroin um because there's different types there's the type that is not banned because it's not like it hasn't really killed anyone by itself there's been deaths with it

in their system with other drugs but i don't recall any deaths that were strictly related to cratum or cratum itself um i took it to help withdrawal from opiates when i wasn't in facilities And it was very, very helpful for me as well. I mean, you know, because it gets rid of withdrawal symptoms. Yeah, I just did an episode on this with a investigative journalist out of Maine and Steve Robinson. Okay. I'll check it out. And he was talking about how he was talking about how bad it is, how many people are getting addicted to this and don't realize how addictive it is because it's over the counter.

So I was just curious what your experience was with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's, I've never done 70H. I've never done any like the extracts. You would get it at a gas station. But I've like drink, like I've made cratum tea and I've tried that, you know, like I've tried like the natural ways of it. And it's been very helpful for me when I was in that state.

Gotcha. Gotcha. I'm not saying it's a good idea because it's, it's an, even though it is natural, I don't think you can overdose on it. It's not a, like, it is physically addictive. It is. That's true. But it's like a very minor physical, which.

to my knowledge. I wouldn't recommend it for an opioid addict because it's going to not satisfy your needs. You're going to expect it to do more and it's not going to do what you're expecting. And you're going to end up just relapsing. So I wouldn't recommend it. Gotcha.

That's the truth. And then last question before we go on a break. You know, your mom sounds like she's the only person in your life that just never gave up on you. My mom and my grandparents. They, they, like my grandparents, my grandpa, you know, like my grandpa fathered me. My grandma was like a second mother to me. And then there was a period of time where I had a stepdad and my mom had a house with him

where I seen them, but I didn't see them every day like I did for two different portions of my childhood. So I would say my mom, my grandma, my grandpa were the keystones, the key, if you combine them together, the keystone of the only safety net I had to fall into. And current day, like, they are my mental safety net. And I love them to death, all of them. And my grandfather passed, and I told you that story already. But, you know, I got the blessing of having somebody as a great father figure, as I talked about. But my dad, you know, missing some aspects of being a father, he showed me that he loved me,

but then my grandfather taught me a ton of valuable lessons in life and was there for me for all the other things. So I was blessed in many ways. Did your mom watch the first episode we did together? My mom is, like, my number one supporter. My mom, like, my mom has probably watched that episode multiple times. She's read all the comments. My mom, she, I don't do any of that. I don't read comments.

I don't do any of that with any of these things that I do. Not only even read my own social media comments, but my mom, she's on it. Like, I could ask my mom, what happened in the 45th minute of the first Sean Ryan? show and she'd be like well you were you were leaning to your right side and Sean was asking you about she'll know so let me ask you this what's one thing you've always wanted to tell your mom that you haven't told her and you know she'll be watching this well I know she'll be watching

that if I mean I I guess I don't have a fancy one but the first thing that comes to mind is like I've said to her a million times and I'm sorry I'm very sorry, but I know that she's proud of me now, and I hope that she is proud of herself because she did all of that on her own, like, as a single mother. Yeah, I had my grandparents, and they were very helpful, but my mom got pregnant just turning 18 years old, you know? And to have the terror that I was, you know, it was not easy for her. And I know that my story is far from over as well, but it is night and day. from what it was before.

And without her, I'm nothing. So I love my mom. I love your mom very much. I'm sure she is very proud of you, man. Yep, she is. She is. The show is getting me all emotional. I mean, you've got to take a break.

We've got to take a break. I don't know how you do this to me, Sean. Let's go blow some shit up. Yeah, that'll help. All right, Ryan, back from the break. Dude, your shooting has improved tremendously. Nice shooting out there. Thank you.

Your shooting was great, too, and I don't know if we should address the elephant in the room. Yeah, we've got some new battle scars out there on the static range. So we, for the people that can't, are this going to be for Patreon, right? we'll probably release this one to the masses but yeah every we do this with almost every guest but i've only i've only dug out the golden 50 caliber desert eagle special for you ryan thank you and we both get hit with it yeah so apparently the grass the brass kicks straight up and smashed us both in the forehead i got a lump i feel the lump but shone got burnt and he got hit with it so he's got a combo deal mine i feel it but i don't know if you could see it on the camera

Oh yeah, I can see it clear as day, buddy. That thing, you know, it's got some kick to it. Got some kick, man. I've never shot a 50 caliber handgun, so that's a little wild to me. Now you have. Now I have, thank you. And a 44 and a 357. A lot of things.

Fucking A man. A lot of things. But you were impressive out there. I can't believe you hit all of them targets with no buttstock, with no sight. And you beat me by a couple points, but, like, I had, I had sights and a buttstock, you know. It's not that impressive, Ryan. It would be really impressive.

It would be unimpressive if it was. I spent a long time, a large portion of my life shooting guns and doing tactics and shit. It would be like, you know, it would be like, it would be like if I beat you in a Hapkin competition. It's just, it's not going to happen. But you fucking crushed it out there. But, hey, let's get into. Let's get into some more stuff about what happened after our initial interview and talk a little bit more about Pentester and everything you guys are doing, wiping people's data from the internet and all that kind of stuff. And then we'll move into what you've been doing with the Sentinel Foundation and the 764 stuff and Roadblocks.

Roblox, yeah. Is it Ro Ro Ro, R-O, or R-O-A-D? It's row blocks, R-O. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people don't think it's roadblocks. blocks but it's it is roblocks and it's not just roblocks but we're like i'm going to focus on that for now and i'll blanket it because it's it's all of these games all of these games platforms um

so starting starting i wanted to you know if you remember last time uh we we talked about pentester and the reason why pentester came up for me at that time like i i can tell you the man to man like there wasn't a conversation with the business partners before i came like this is how you're going to say things on the show so that we can get it wasn't it wasn't that it was and honestly pen tester was only built for businesses back when i came on your show so when at that time it was $49 a month no matter who you signed up and you you had to either put a website or an email in it would do a scan it would tell you if there's any like low-hanging fruit vulnerabilities on your site or um you know like some data that was breached about you and uh i showed you the reverse facial

recognition technology at that time. I showed you, we looked up Vigilance Elit's website. We found some identifiable information from it. And back then, our database was like 130 billion records, which was still the biggest at that time. And now it's been three years, and we're like 240 billion plus records, which we've gotten way larger. When it comes to the data that we have access to, our reverse facial recognition has tripled in size so I mean I could show another example with somebody else here because obviously there's so many photos

you online it's not that impressive to you know to show it but like we could grab anybody you want here and we'll find them and I just want to show that and I want to show the new feature that we learned with Penn Tester over time

because we had a ton of people signed up and then we had this one specific breach that happened which are you familiar with National Public Data, what happened there? No. Okay, so this is very important, and a lot of people are not familiar with it, which is a problem. So the National Public Data Breach happened a little over a year ago, and what happened was there is about 300 million Americans in this country.

That database had 2.8 billion records in it that included full names, data births, phone numbers, at every address you've ever lived at and your entire social security number. So it was leaked onto the internet for anyone to download this and we created a tool. We were actually in Vegas and we were talking about it

and we're in Vegas and we're like we want to build a tool so people can search to see if they've been impacted by this data breach which I'll show you in a second a demo of it. So you put in your name, your last name, your year of birth, and what state you know, you've currently live in or a state you've lived in

in the past. And then you press search and it would show you the data. And if you were in it, we'd recommend how, like, you know, what to do about that, you know, which we weren't, we weren't trying to sell you on Penn tester. We were just trying to get you to either freeze your credit and, you know, and try to do, try to protect your identity at the best of your ability or freeze your credit and sign up for Penn tester to know about other data that might be breached. So it was kind of a dual-purpose thing, but the main priority was freeze your credit. And I'll explain what that means in a second. So the National Public Data Breach happened because of they released a file that had credentials in it. And those credentials were easy. I think it was past one, two, three,

was their password. And the database had all of this horrible, not horrible, all of this very private information in it. So like 2.8 billion records with 300 million Americans, that means people that have passed away. That means multiple addresses for every, like, where do you see how many addresses it has for you? And once that data is out there, it's out there. It's like you can't, you can remove data from data brokers, like white pages, for example, or all of those background check websites. You can remove that because you have a legal right to request removal of that. But when it comes to dark web data or, you know, breached data, all you can do is be aware of it and take action based on your knowledge of it.

So we released that tool, and we weren't expecting it to be as crazy as it was. So going on your show, we had a ton of people signing up for business plans, like, as individuals, because they wanted access to the tools I was showing on the show, and they were willing to pay that $49 a month, just to do reverse facial recognition to search themselves in our databases,

and we didn't even have any removal services at that time. So we learned from your show, show that we needed, we had a need for a personal, personal use, like for consumers. So we made a $19 plan, which I said before, like, if I had this option, $49 a month, like most people spend $20 on lunch every day. So I was saying that with $49. I say that even more so, with $19 a month. Not only are you getting all of the breach data out there associated with you, your phone number, your addresses, your email, literally all your identifiers, And then you can add your family member.

So you could add your wife, you can add your parents, you could add your grandparents. And then even another thing that people don't know is you can add your children. They may not be in the data brokers yet, but their accounts will show up. So we have this tool where we can discover if you have accounts created places. And let's say you have a kid and you told them they're not allowed to have a Snapchat account. You put their email and phone number in there. Now we can confirm if they have a Snapchat associated with that email or phone. And there's no one else that has that integration with a data broker removal tool.

So that's a really cool feature. No kidding. So parents can use PennTester to see if their kids are messing around on social media behind their backs. Yeah, that is one use case. The other use case is at $4.19, you're still getting all of what you got before with all the breached data to see your password, your social, your credit cards, all of that stuff that's happened and stuff you can take action on. but we're also removing data from data brokers on your behalf. So, like, you know, it's not an instant. Immediately as you sign up, you'll see some exposed records,

but over time, you'll see there's pending removals and then removals that have happened. I'll show it all to you. But I highly recommend anybody signs up for it because, you know, there's a ton of data removal companies out there that do this exact thing, but what they don't do is show breached data and they don't do facial recognition, and they don't do account discovery.

So that's something the pen tester does very well, and the reason why we do it so well is because it's built on the methodology that I used, along with some of my business partners, have used to identify predators and traffickers. So using it in the opposite sense to see what digital footprint you have out there, it's the same methodology I would use to identify these people based on minimal identifiers. And I'll show you a demo of it, so you understand what I mean. But what we actually learned last minute was, like, because you got to remember, the NPD breach coming out, we had all of that, all of that built, people were searching through it, and we had people signing up various ages, like 40, 50, 60, 70-year-old people are signing up for Penn Tester that don't know how to use computers. And, you know, we realized through support, if we could read the support tickets coming in, and we have a support team that handles. that we're seeing like a lot of people don't know how to use a website at all so like yeah they need the service but they don't know how to navigate no matter how easy we make it they just there's no there's no getting them to to use it you know and we can do a lot of stuff on their behalf but they got to sign in and put in their information for us to automate it so we decided to make

pentester SMS which is essentially just pen tester through text messaging no kidding so you text a phone number and that phone number you can talk to like a human so you could text and say hey and overtake your phone number try to identify who you are find your emails find your leaked information tell you what's out there say hey do you want to start removals on this information and you know this is our recommendations with changing your passwords or deleting accounts here or all of the recommendations you would get and then that is only nine dollars a month because they're not they don't have access to all of the extra tools. If they want them, they could upgrade their account, but I'll show you the example for your phone number, and it's got everything on you. I mean,

it's literally got everything. So let's say you want your wife or your family, you know, like a parent that you know isn't going to sign in. They're not going to look at the dashboard. They're not going to use any tools. Tell them to text the phone number and sign them up for it, and then they'll get notifications via text. Like, hey, a password was breached. Your password was summer 2025 exclamation point make sure you're not using this anywhere and you just get a text every once in a while from pentester SMS that says hey you need to do this okay and then you know like let's say let's say ever like uh i'll give you an example biweekly you get a text that says you've been removed from 47 data brokers if you want to see the full list click here but at least you

know something's happening at all times you don't have to sign in you don't got to do anything just text the number um so for you this is what what i'll do is i'll screen record this and then i'll hand it to you here we go yeah you're gonna like this one no i'm not no you're not all right so here's here's an example right here oh boy um this is the phone number that you would text at the top and this is the conversation that you would have like you're welcome to text it now but i I figure there'd be a bunch of delays and you having to respond. But this is how it would start the conversation and then how it would end. Okay.

I'm going to show this. Okay. Cool. We'll overlay this on the screen. Awesome. Now, it's just from your phone number. So let's say we gave it more and you were like, hey, check this email, check this one, check my wife.

You know, you can get deeper into that conversation with the chat. You know, we call it Pentest or SMS, but let's just say it's a chat bot. You can talk to it just like you're talking to me, and it will respond to you like a human. It has access to our tools. So you could say, like, you know, what about, what about my wife's email or what about my wife's phone number? And then it'll start answering questions about that as well. So it's like having a 24-7 breach slash data privacy support agent in your pocket at all times

for nine bucks. But I mean, I'm sure you're seeing your full social security numbers there and your previous addresses, I'm sure, are there, an email that is. public is there. So how the hell do you get, how do you get your info off? So we automatically remove data for you. So the most, like all of the data brokers that have that data, anyone could just go on Google and start searching, that gets automatically scrubbed that we're going to deal with that for you. So like you already have a pen tester account. So we've removed a ton of it for you already. When it comes to breached data, like data that's already, it's already

out there that's on somebody's hard drive somewhere, like literally, you can't remove that. You can't. So you can just, you know, in the event that it's like your social security number or something like that, you know, you have to just freeze your credit. Like I was saying to you before, freezing your credit, if you don't know what it is, it just means go to, you know, Equifax, TransUnion, and Experian individually. They legally have to allow you to create an account for free and press the freeze button. And then all that does is stop people from being able to query your credit. So if somebody goes and says, hey, my name's Sean Ryan, and I want to buy this car or I want to open a credit card, it stops them from being able to query your credit

or pull your credit report because it's frozen. It doesn't stop your credit from going up or down, doesn't stop you any, like it doesn't hurt you in any way. I believe the whole country should be frozen. And I think that you should have to unfreeze it when, you know, because all you do is you sign into all three, you press unfreeze, you run your credit, and then when you're done running it, you freeze it again. And that's the fix for your social being out there. There is nothing else you can do unless you go, you know, through the whole process of changing your social security number, which you can do, but it's a, it's a process. But yeah, that's one thing, the passwords, you know, use a password manager, change your passwords, and then your addresses,

unless you move your house, you know, they're out there. Yeah. But the data brokers are something that we do that we can control and in certain websites that have your photos on it if you didn't want them there we can we can request removal of that information so that's one thing i wanted to show you the uh the AT&T breach is another one that happened between in our interview and now and there was 70 something million people affected by that but uh it also included hold on one second like here is me i didn't even take myself out of it. All of my information in the AT&T breach, that's, they've got my full social, my current address, my emails, everything. So all people need to do is go to npd.pentester.com

or AT&T or A, I'm sorry, ATT dot pentester.com. There are individual scans to see if you were affected by these breaches. If you were, I would highly recommend freezing your credit. make sure when you're doing a search, search every state you've ever lived in. Don't just search in in Florida, like if you've lived in Florida, make sure you search in like everywhere you've ever lived, even if it was for a week, because it could be in that database and then search your loved ones as well. And then with the AT&T one, ATT dot pentester, search your phone number

and make sure that you're not affected. I don't understand how these companies that are getting breached are not held accountable for any of this stuff. But this could ruin your entire life. Absolutely. Because they're not securing their data properly, correct? Yep, but they get class action lawsuits. They have no liability.

They do. They do. They have class action lawsuits, but then they end up having to pay out whatever millions of dollars to these individuals who file the lawsuits. And then they have to give, well, they offer free credit protection

as like that's basically all you're getting from them. And that's just meaning. like tell you your credit score and tell you if somebody's like when it's too late so it's not really offers free credit protection the the the companies that get breached so they'll they'll pay for all of the people that are part of the class action lawsuit or were affected by these breaches they'll offer for you know they'll offer your credit report for free for whatever amount of years they don't do a ton for you so there is no liability well they have to pay a certain amount of money but that's that's it to who So I guess with a class action, they got to pay everybody involved.

Like whatever, it ends up being $20 each or $15 each. So. What the fuck, man. But yeah, I mean, it's, this is my own personal information. So I can, I don't mind showing it. It gets, you know, my, I, my account has 856 exposed records, 472 are in progress, and 384 successful removal. from different data brokers all over the world,

all my IP addresses, all my accounts that I have connected to things. Whoa, it has all this stuff. Oh, yeah. Man, this has like everything you've ever signed up for, huh? Yep, and all my passwords from, you know, things I haven't changed, has all my IP addresses, credit card numbers, addresses,

social security number. It has my whole life. But, you know, thankfully, everything that I could possibly remove has been automatically removed by Pentester and that's for the $19 a month plan so you really can't go wrong with that and then like I said,

PennTester SMS, you just text 337, 337, 4100 and that's only $9. So you get the same thing with the removals for $9, you just don't get the reverse facial recognition and you don't get the ability to search like in the database without adding them as a family member to the account or an identity is what we call it.

So, yeah, let me stop the recording on that. Is there anything else here that I'm forgetting? No. That's a, so like if there's, so we could do the reverse thing, but I think we already have a clip showing reverse facial recognition. So if somebody out there doesn't know what that means, it means that I could take a picture of Sean or you. I mean, facial recognition means I could take a picture of you

and it may be a picture that's never touched the internet before. And it's going to measure 120 points of your face. And it's going to look for your photo anywhere that's ever been posted on the internet. So that could be in like, you know, the background that somebody's wedding sitting at a table and only half of your face is visible, where it could be on, you know, a tweet that somebody created before this show, before you even had the podcast. And it's something, you know, about your personal life that you don't want out there. Like, it could be a million things, and now that our database is, as, you know, tripled in size,

we have way more data than we did even back then, which was a lot. So I highly recommend people check that out, but minimum, just text the phone number once they see it and see what kind of response you get. And if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I think privacy is kind of important nowadays. I mean, yeah, me too. That's why we're creating this whole app. Yes.

But, I mean, so I'm curious, you know, with the, with the face, I mean, can you get photos pulled? Yeah. It's just like awareness. Like, hey, this is where, this is what's out there. So we can, it's a combination of both. So if you really want a photo taken down, you know, you can reach out to our support team and say, hey, I really don't want this up here. And we will reach out to them on, on your behalf and ask for removal. We can't guarantee that it happens, but we have a better shot at it than, I think.

an individual trying on their own because we'll find them you know even if there's no way to contact them there's a we'll find a way to contact them in almost all cases and then if you mean if something like your social's been compromised online then the only the only really the only two options are freeze your credit or get a new social yeah unfortunately yeah yeah which i wish there was something else i could say but that's that's the truth of it and going back to the nPD data breach when that happened we had all these media sources that were running stories

I was on call after call with news reporters recording videos for all of these local news stations like you named the news source it was it ran it like all of them literally

and there hasn't been a person that I think I've ran into in real life that knows about it so it's like we had 11 million people who hit our website in seven days but people just don't know and this is such a huge violation of privacy

that no one has any clue about that I talk to and yeah we're the only website you can go and search it on right now and see how breached you actually were like there's another site out there that will tell you like you're in it potentially but it doesn't tell you the details and what if your name's John Smith

or if there's somebody else named Ryan Montgomery I can't tell if it's me Ryan Montgomery or the 500 that live in Florida with the same name. At least we show you the addresses. We show you the social or at least a piece of the social. In your case, I showed you the whole thing. But we don't show the full thing on the regular search so people don't abuse it to get people's socials. But, you know, it's wild to me.

It is absolutely wild. Damn. Yeah. Crazy, crazy stuff. We had Congress people, we had Congress people and politicians and everything on the news. demonstrating how to use npd.pentester.com. It was like we were blown away by it. That's awesome.

Yeah, we were blown away by that. And it worked, it did really well for the company. Obviously, not discounting how much you have done for the company as well, bringing me onto the show, letting me talk about it. Got a lot of people, it helped a lot of people with their digital footprints too. Like, not only did it help the business, but we helped people clean up something they didn't even know they had a problem with until they signed up. Yeah. So yeah.

Yeah. I appreciate that, man. And the NPD breach was the biggest thing after that. And now it's Pentester SMS, which makes it so easy. Anybody can text. Anybody can text. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. What is, I mean, can you go into VPNs and why they're important and all this stuff? Yeah. So VPN, it's a virtual private network. So it's essentially you're connecting to a network from your, let's say you're at your house. You're using your home connection to connect to another computer somewhere else. And then that computer somewhere else is sending all of the traffic to the internet on your behalf. And then wherever, like let's say Google is here and you're here and the VPN is here. sending the traffic from here to here, saying, I want Google. This is saying to Google, hey, give me your page.

Google's sending it back to the VPN here, and the VPN sending it back to you. So Google never sees anything but the VPN. Gotcha. And then your internet service provider, like the person that is, you know, they can track what you're doing, can't see what you're doing

because it's being routed through a different IP address encrypted. And, like, they can see that you're using a VPN, but they can't see what you're doing on it. And the VPN companies, most of them, don't store logs. So if they were subpoenaed and said, hey, I want everything that Sean Ryan did on this day to this date, almost all of them, minus the few that have lied and they do store logs, or they're fed honeypots where they're storing logs on purpose.

You know, they really don't have anything to give. If there's a subpoena, there's nothing to give. Do you have the names of any of the companies that do hold? I think I know somebody I mean let me double check before I say this I don't want to I don't want to tarnish someone's reputation to be wrong so yeah IP vanish was one of the major ones they were caught storing logs in 2016 and provided them to the FBI after a court order despite a zero log policy at the time and they were a big big one and then on the other hand there's one called IVPN that IVPN was subpoenaed and there's like it's on record

they all they had was an account number they didn't have anything else so they proved it in store logs which is nice because you know like it's hard to prove it like you could say whatever you want but until you until you faced with a subpoena and sitting in a courtroom there's no way to know if they're telling the truth or not so that's a ivpn is a good one and then mollivan is one that i really like a lot like they claim they don't store logs i believe that they don't the reason why is you can send them cash in an envelope and just put your account number on the envelope, and they'll actually activate your account. And even if they did store logs, they don't know where that cash came from. They just activated an account number. So there's nothing they're nothing

they could do even if they did, which makes me think they don't even store logs. So I like that a lot about them. I mean, we're seeing China buy a lot of VPN companies. I mean, Israel just hit the news, buying VPN companies. Do you think when foreign governments or maybe not even governments, well, I mean, look, China's communist, right? So it doesn't matter if it's a company or the government. They just get access to whatever the hell they want. Absolutely. I mean, is that what they're doing? Are they mining our data from us by, you know, by providing us with bullshit VPNs to use? I mean, I think it's a very educated guess. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can't tell you with absolute fact because it has, like, I haven't seen it with my eyes yet,

but it makes sense for them to buy these companies if they're trying to spy on us because the people that are using VPNs is either they're worried about their privacy overall or they're doing something that they just, you know, nefarious or they're doing something that is very sensitive that they don't want people to see. And these countries want that data.

So it would make sense for them to buy it. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, I agree with you there for sure. Man, man. Well, let's move into Sentinel. Mm-hmm. So. So let me explain how that even happened.

Because back, remember, when I originally came into the original studio with you, I had what was considered at the time to be a vigilante group called 5-6-1 PC. And I was doing that with my friend Dustin Lamprose. And we were just individually catching one predator at a time. And, you know, we were doing, you know, we were doing as well as we possibly could at that time. And that's how I ended up on that podcast and then, you know, ended up here. So all this stuff's going on. I come on to your show and I guess a ton of federal agencies watch this podcast.

And my phone is blowing up. You name it. It's DEA, which is drugs. I got CIA. I got this, even the Secret Service. FBI have multiple field locations all over. the country. HSI.

I had HSI show up at an ATM on me. I don't know if you remember me calling about this. Oh, no, I remember. They showed up at an ATM. They surrounded you at the hacker event. Yep. And they came to your house, correct? They didn't come to my house.

But the other two things, yes, at the ATM, they came in two different cars. Their offices in Miami, that's about an hour drive at that time. They came in two different cars. I don't know how they legally could figure out that I was at the ATM if there was no target on me, but I turned around, had a badge in my face. I have a picture with the guys. I was, I was, I asked them if I couldn't take a picture with them, and they were like, just please don't post it. I could show you if you want to see it. But put it up. No, I was kidding. Well, yeah, I mean, they couldn't have been nicer, but turning around from the ATM

to a badge in my face, I was like, I'm going to jail. This is it, you know, and my phone would not stop ringing. So something that, you know, something I want to just clarify now for anyone, that works in law enforcement, that's watching the podcast. No disrespect, I love all of you, and I want to help all of you. But last time I was on the podcast, I got so many calls. I couldn't work with everybody at the same time. It just wasn't possible. So as of right now, you can reach out to, you know,

Sentinel Foundation, who's working in parallel with the Marshals. And we have a case number for the stuff I'm about to talk about, you know, very shortly. And I don't have any of this evidence. locally, it's all stored in a cloud that's shared with the team, with the marshals. Like, you know, if you want to call me and need my help with something, I'm all ears. But if it's, if it's about this specific case, just reach out to the appropriate people because I can't work with a million people at once. Why was there a bad shoved in your face?

He wasn't shoved. I mean, he just had it up when I turned around. Why? Because to tell me he was HSI. For what? Don't know. Don't know. He just wanted to talk.

And he kept hitting me up. I still got text so he could show you. He just wanted me to come down and sit down and talk to him. He never told me why, but I assume it's the database. What else would it be? I mean, if there was something criminal, he would have arrested me. Yeah, I mean, I was really, I was, I was extremely worried for you. Because it seemed like I was getting arrested.

Well, shit. I mean, I remember when we went to the Sound of Freedom premiere with Jim Caviesel, you know, for the opening. yeah they're fucking harassing you yeah they're texting you hey don't be alarmed but we see you over there dude i was fucking pissed i remember i was so fucking pissed when when that when that shit started because one i'm sitting right next to you yeah yeah two i'm just like this is fucked up like you guys had the opportunity to do your fucking job years ago you didn't do it more kids got fucking more kids got exploited and now you're sitting here fucking with my friend who's trying to do the right thing.

Maybe go do the right fucking thing and save some fucking kids and quit following Ryan around fucking Nashville and harassing him. Fuck you. I know you're fucking listening to this. Fuck you. Man, that shit pissed me off, dude.

I remember, you were heated. You were definitely heated. It makes my fucking skin crawl. I'm sure it does. I mean, from your side, you were on the other side. They fucking come in like they're like, Yeah.

Like, oh, man, it just fucking makes me angry. Like, it was straight up fucking harassing you. Oh, yeah. It wasn't just the Nashville. It was all, everybody. And it was, for me, it wasn't anger at that time. It was fear because I, you know, didn't know it. What are you even doing at a fucking movie premiere?

Like, if you're, what are you looking for traffickers at a fucking movie premiere that's about trafficking? Go do the fucking job. go do your fucking job man this shit makes me fucking angry dude there's so many fucking people in federal law enforcement agencies that don't do

shit they just fucking harass people they don't do their fucking job and then they want to know why nobody trust the federal institutions or even fucking state it's fucking ridiculous like go do your fucking job and catch bad guys quit

fucking trailing around a guy that's like trying to save kids and fucking harassing him what is that shit like how the fuck do you even sleep at night yeah I appreciate that I know this fucker too I wish I fucking knew him

I'd fucking release his name and tell everybody who he is like what is that shit hey I'm in the fucking movie premiere I just so you know I got eyes on you buddy fuck you it's a it's a

overwif in my mind, you know. Thankfully, I appreciate that you care. And I, obviously, I would be, I'd care the same for you.

I, uh, I just, I can't let it bother me if I want to work with them. I know, man. It's just, it's just,

it's just, it's so, it's just so fucking unimpressive. Like, it's just like, do your job. To have any, for me to have any impact and to be able to do things legitimately,

I have to work with long, force. I know, man. So I have no choice. I'm making a generalized statement that they're all bad and they're not. No, I get what you're saying. I get what I get your frustration and I'm sure there's way more to it that I don't know because you were on both sides, you know, at some point. So you got to see stuff that I didn't, you know, so I'm sure there's things that piss you off that I have no idea about, you know. But as for the Sentinel stuff, so I want, oh, let me tell you the story of how that happened. Because at that point, like I said, it was a vigilante group. that the intentions were all good

and when I think of vigilante I think of somebody that is trying to go out and like beat people up and like take the law into their own hands like own hands and tie somebody up and put them in a closet like you know like I don't know I think a vigilante is a more extreme thing not just

like a guy thinks they're talking to a child on the internet they go to meet at a public place they're instead met with grown men who want to confront them on it until the police come Like, I think that that, as a civilian, I don't see what's wrong with that, but as when it comes to the law, even though some convictions are happening regardless of it being evidence or not evidence or vigilante, like convictions, I'm just, I'm glad convictions are happened. I'm glad people are getting exposed. That's all the matters to me. If anything that I could change about, it would be longer sentences for the cases that happened from any of the predator catchers. But that's one thing. Another thing, thing I want to bring up about predator catchers that if you've noticed since our interview, like, I'm not saying that I'm the pioneer of predator catchers because I know I'm not. There's Chris Hansen, Justin Payne, Hortney Elizabeth, like a million people, anxiety war,

all of these people that were doing it before Dustin and I started it. But after our stuff started to go viral, a lot of other groups just popped up. And, like, you know, there were a couple others before that, too, that, you know, there's a lot to think about. so I'm blanking. But what I did notice is, let's just say 100 new channels pop up, a couple of them already had very large followings. So they're shifting what they currently do to start catching predators.

And instead of them taking it seriously and talking to these people like what they deserve to be talked to as, they would rent an Airbnb, for example, and get a decoy in there that looks younger and they'll be wearing a, you know, a clown costume with a mariachi band. I'm not even exaggerating. Like, you know, while the predator's coming in, or they'll be asking them at the front door to take their clothes off so they show up naked at the door so they can get a good thumbnail or, you know, all of these things. But what they're not realizing is, yeah, maybe you're exposing this predator. Maybe you get them arrested, maybe not, but you're exposing them bare minimum. Do you realize what was going to happen if you weren't there that night? Like, do you

you realize like I guess maybe I'm a little bit jaded to the subject or more informed as a better word to this subject because I know what would have happened to that child and like when I and I don't want to get too graphic here man but like think of a toddler with blood running down their thighs because a grown man is hurting them physically I think of stuff like that and these little girls and little boys and what would actually happen to them if that man or in most cases men but some cases a woman, were to be there. Like, do you think a mariachi band and a clown costume fits in that equation? I genuinely don't.

I understand it's going to get you more views. I understand it's a better thumbnail. I get what they're trying to do. But there's nothing funny about this. This isn't humorous to me. Like, this is not a joke to me, you know? So, like I said, half of it, I respect. I respect that they're exposing people, using their platform to do it.

But I don't think it's funny, and I wanted to make that very clear. Some people have gone to the levels where the cops aren't doing anything so much so that they're beating the crap out of them, which they deserve, but when you beat them up, you can't, like, now you can't call the cops, and you can't get them convicted. And, yeah, it's great for views and all of that, and they definitely deserve getting the beat up. But, you know, like, something's got to happen. And you had Tim Tebow on here, which is an awesome guy, love that guy. Tim's amazing.

Best, yeah, that's a really good dude. Like, I don't think anyone can say anything bad about Tim Tebow. They try. Yeah, I've heard. They try to say shit about him. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. But, like, I don't know Tim personally.

I know I've talked to his vice president, Camille. But, you know, he brought up a, he brought up situations with, you know, like, the amount of people that we have in this country looking at, at that material at ages, what, under 12? And what, if I can remember correctly, there's 111,000 unique people in this country in less than 30 days. Yep. So that's the people that are recorded

from whatever software is monitoring that based on statistics that are public. That means there's way bigger number than he's aware of and that I'm aware of. It sickens me, and the problem is not, it's not that the problem is getting better at what's happening is the problem's getting worse because the material is going to spread regardless if there's less victims because there's still material

out there like there was just a case in florida with 1.2 million photos and videos that were being sold for a hundred and something dollars like that's not going anywhere it's going to keep going circulate all these communities for a very long time regardless if there's new victims or not so catching those guys is a priority obviously because they're going to re-victimize other people or or re-offend but it's just like an endless loop of disgusting horribleness but uh like I was telling you last night about the state trooper um that just got caught a couple days ago with with 23 videos having sex with his toddler in full state trooper uniform

and sending the videos on telegram um like that was a few days ago uh there's there's just there's just so much so much going on are you seeing this stuff i mean i didn't not one i didn't see but it's it's uh I'm seeing the worst of the worst all the time and it's uh it's for sure but that's a topic I I actually do want to talk to you about at the end of this if you're cool with it um because yeah it's you know I've been doing this almost seven years now three years of which have been with working in tandem with law enforcement and Sentinel Foundation but um yeah it definitely definitely got more intense when I started to work with with law enforcement and work with groups that, you know, like, like Sentinel, for example.

And so, no, sorry, I missed the entire beginning of this point. So having a vigilante group, in the eyes of the law, at least, I wanted to do that. And I also wanted to work with Sentinel Foundation. I had six, I looked in my phone. I had six organizations reaching out to me. One of them was Sentinel Foundation. And I got a call from a guy named Jim Cole, who's a very respected Fed that worked with HSI. I know Jim.

You do know, you know Jim? Yeah, he's at Operation Light Shine. Yeah, okay. It was. I don't know if he still was. I'm not sure. I haven't talked to him in a while. But back then, all them years ago, he got on a call with me.

I know he was in HSI for a very long time. And he says to me, he's like, hey, man, you can't be a part of, you know, any of these. groups or work with law enforcement if you're going to continue to do the vigilante stuff on YouTube. And having to explain that to Dustin while we have 5-6-1 PC going was hard to do because it's like, dude, I have a choice right now to help more people and less people see me doing it. Like, I'm not going to be public about it. You're not going to see videos of me saving kids and arresting traffickers and all. I'm not going to be putting stats out of my progress. Whereas with YouTube, you're going to see each one, one predator getting caught

out of time, you're going to see more action from me, but I know I'm going to make more of an impact. And in my heart, I can't say, you know what? I'm going to push that opportunity aside because I want to continue to work on the YouTube stuff. So I chose to go with the best group that I had available to me at that time, which was Sentinel Foundation. At the time, the guy that was running it was Glenn Devit, very nice guy. I like him a lot. He's no longer involved. And, you know, We stay in touch. He's a Delta guy, I'm pretty sure, or special force is bare minimum, but I could be wrong on that one. I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to like military stuff, but I know for sure that he's involved in some way.

So with Sentinel since we started, I'll get into like the granular stuff that I got involved in, but just one of the general stuff. Sentinels a nonprofit dedicated to fight in sex trafficking and child exploitation, domestically and internationally, which was important to me. We have partnership with law enforcement agencies across multiple states. We combat human trafficking, missing persons, exploitation cases. We have joint operations, MOUs with all kinds of places. We've rescued a ton of different women and children, particularly in an operation between July and September, so I'll keep it at that. Integrated, advanced OScent and cyber tools for real-time targeting

and trafficking of traffickers. I'm sorry, and targeting of traffickers, meaning like some of the methodologies that I use and some of my friends that have their own custom databases and tool sets, I've helped integrate into Sentinel's workflow and train law enforcement in many countries on how these things work, because you'd be surprised, man. You may not be surprised, but they don't don't know, like even the ones that are dedicated to internet crimes against children, um, they, they don't really know what they're doing or the methods that they're using are antiquated. And it's not their fault. They have the passion. They just don't have the tools. They don't have the resources. They don't know. They don't know. So with Sentinel, what we were

able to do is travel to, I mean, right now, we've had operations in Thailand, Uganda, Haiti, Peru, Jamaica. Um, there was at one point when Glenn was involved, there was Philippines, there's a ton of stuff domestically going on and there is stuff domestically going on yes yes so it's mostly local and and and the marshals right now but it's been a been hSI at one point we had some some people involved there too it kind of skips around depending on the need but my purpose in setinel foundation was to bring something new this is in the beginning to bring new technology to the space. And that turned into getting involved in a ton of operations that I never would have had the opportunity to be involved in without going public with this stuff. Because I would still

be catching a predator one by one, although I still believe is effective. Now we're able to, like, if you look on like Fox, there's a, there's an article with the Tebow Foundation and Sentinel where we pull 59 kids out of Haiti. You know, Haiti's a pretty rough place to be. And I'm not the biggest guy in the world. So having a team that can go in there while I do recomb on a computer gives me an opportunity that I wouldn't have sitting in my living room trying to track down one local predator at a time. Gotcha. So not devaluing that, but it's just a different opportunity from me. Well, it's like I said at the beginning, Ryan, there's not much you care about other than saving kids. You don't give a shit about fame, notoriety, money, none of that stuff.

Yeah, I don't make a dollar from it, and that's all I care about. I appreciate you recognizing it. I know a lot of these organizations, I'm going to say it, you're not going to say it, but I know a lot of these organizations have come knocking on your door, pretending like they want your expertise, but really they just want your notoriety to make them more fucking money. That's exactly right. And that is a damn shame. I don't mind saying it either because I know it's true.

I know it's so blatantly obvious to me now. In the beginning, it was hard to know because it's like opportunity, opportunity, opportunity, opportunity. And now it's just like, okay, I get me. You want to do the work, not be a fucking poster boy. Right. I commend you for that. Because 99% of the people would take the poster boy route every single time. And I do have a question, though. You know, I mean, you're, you know, you're the first person that I've talked to about sex exploitation and child trafficking and that kind of stuff. Then, you know, like I said, then it was Victor Marks and then, you know, Tim Tebow, Jared Hudson, Jim Caviesel,

like, it's been, you've, after my discussion with you, it's turned into, I have to hit this every so often because it's the most important issue in the fucking world. Wait till you see what I have to show you next. Why it's the most important issue. I know. Not only what you already know.

But what I want to ask is, and look, I don't want this to come across the wrong way. Saving a child is saving a child. is saving a child, it doesn't matter if it's in Thailand, Peru, Ethiopia, where Uganda, I don't care, it's a child. One thing, though, and I'm just curious as to why, if you know why. So many of these organizations operate out of Haiti, Philippines, Thailand, you know, Colombia, Peru, you know, third world countries.

countries in poverty. But every single, I believe it's every single time that I breach this subject, the commonality, the one commonality is the U.S. is the biggest consumer of kitty. We're the biggest problem in the world. The United States is the biggest problem in the world when it comes to sex trafficking and sex exploitation, correct? Well, with the consumption of CSAN, like child sexual abuse material. Why isn't all of the focus on the U.S. if that is the number one problem?

If we are the number one concern. I would love to tell you, bringing with Tim Tebow said in here, there's seven people working in C3. There's roughly 60 Internet Crimes Against Children locations in the entire country. the people that are making the most impact, I believe, are, you know, some of these organizations that are working with, you know, FBI, HSI. And it's, that's, it just needs to be better than that. We need to do better. What, why is it, though? Why are so many foundations going to Haiti, Thailand, all the places that I just mentioned, and very little, if any, here in the U.S.?

It's just, is it the red tape? Is it, is our federal government harboring this shit? Are they encouraging it? I mean, that was a rumor for a long time, especially with the southern border, you know. I mean, what is it? What is it? I mean, we just saw one of the, one of the top guys at the Israeli, like, cyber fucking command or whatever. God caught luring, luring in fucking kids to have sex with in a hotel room.

I tweeted this out. Did we prosecute that individual? No. We packaged him up and fucking sent his happy ass back to Israel. No consequences whatsoever. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is going on? Why are we packaging this guy up and handed him back to Netanyahu?

Here you go. Here's your pedophile. Take care of them. We don't want him to get hurt. What is that? That is that? I don't know. Where's the fucking justice for the kids, man?

Right. Where is it? Like, what the fuck is going on in our country, man? And why aren't these organizations, why aren't they focused on the U.S.? It's the biggest problem? So my guess, just based on my experience, my guess is there's not access to a lot of the information. So if there is a group being ran in the United States and we, like for example, if I get involved

in it, it's going right to a federal agency. federal agency and at that point it may not ever go public so that that is happening when it comes to like these big media cases that like that you know sending someone back to israel or whatever what is that i can't answer it there's so many things that i wish i had an answer to like i i see this shit with the epstein files it keeps getting swept under the rug like it's like what the fuck is going on here man i don't get it and it's either a conspiracy or it's not it's definitely not a conspiracy. The shit I'm talking about is real. I know. I'm just, look it up for yourself. People, but the people watch and they got to make that decision for themselves or that, that

assumption for themselves. Do they think that this country is holding out on the details or not? I mean, I just don't understand it. If it's, if we're the, if the United States is the biggest consumer of sex crimes and sex exploitation and trafficking and all these other things, then this would be the easiest spot to make a dent, right? If we are running rampant in this realm. Well, think of it like this. I could be another good example to add to your argument. Every single airport you go in,

what's the sign you see in the bathroom, on the walls over the intercom? What do you hear every single time? If you see something, say something. Human trafficking is a real thing. Human trafficking is a fight. Call this number if you see this, this, or that. Do you think they would be using that space in the airport

for human trafficking signs over making ad money from advertisers? Absolutely not. It's a real thing. It's very real. The reason why we're not hearing about it, I couldn't tell you.

Other than there might be something just above both of our heads. And I can tell you that we work on cases domestically, for sure, and we work in tandem with law enforcement on those cases. That happens. But I can't answer, like, what happened. I'm not saying all the law enforcement.

I don't want to come across. cross like that. But you know what I mean? When I see shit like after the first interview we did and then you got a couple of FBI agents running you around to Nashville and fucking tailing you and surveilling you and harassing you, it's like, hey, bud, maybe like go save some fucking kids and like leave this dude alone. Like, like, go make something of yourself. Like do something positive. Like go save a fucking kid or anybody. Just do something. You're the FBI. Like, be an admirable fucking human being instead of harassing. The ones that were tailed me around were the HSI guys, but they were nice.

Well, they were tailed, I mean, obviously the FBI tailed you into the damn premiere. You know, it wasn't right there. It was, I remember now, I don't remember the guy's name, but it was their boss who happened to be there at that time. Oh. Yeah, so that was, that was a situation, but. But I remember you being pissed. I was fucking furious. I went to the bathroom, remember?

And then in the bathroom, that's when I got the text. And then you, like, at that point, we were in the hallway and you were pissed. You just wanted to leave. Yeah. I remember it. You know, and then you see a guy like Jim Cole who's spent his entire career doing this. Yep. You know what I mean?

And so it's not at like the workers level. But when you, you know what I mean? I mean, Jim Cole, he's, I think he's very similar to you. You know, he's all he cares about. He's a black and white guy, straight to the point. He would never, that, that means. Man, we're not jaywalk. All he wants to do is save kids.

Save kids. And you know another person I want to give credit to while it's on my mind? Because I know Jim knows her as well. Someone I work with current day that I've known since the beginning of this. Her name is Yvette Thomas. I don't know if you've ever heard of her. She's like the godmother, like Jim Cole is the godfather of this space. There's not many people that have made it around.

She's been in federal law enforcement for 36 years, I believe it was. 20 of which have been in specifically child crimes. So she recently, like, you know, she helped me identify a bunch of victims in a case that we were working. And it was a case in Cleveland where a guy was getting girls, little girls and boys on FaceTime and group calling people. And they were getting paid, this scumbag was getting paid to have them do sexual acts via FaceTime. The phone of that suspect got dumped, and there was a bunch of children's faces. and more on it, but all I received at the time was like 140 photos of children's faces and different, you know, some are looking this way, that way, some were blurry. But the ones that I could

identify, I identified. I identified a bunch of them. And she's got some tools I don't have. So I sent her the files. She identified a couple of them as well. I sent them back. And since they're all in the Cleveland area, they, you know, they, they were able to to identify, I'm assuming, way more. I don't have my, I don't have a direct contact with the guy right now. I'd have to wait till, I text them out through the interview. But just think of like all of the girls and boys in that area. A lot of them go to school together. They do things together. They're going to be able to identify each other. So I feel really good about that. And her and I have worked on a bunch of cases like that, which are just thrown out of us randomly. Technically, she's retired right now. She's doing this

just out of the kindness of her heart. And there's not many of hers. There's not many of Jim Coles and not many about Thomas's, it's, it's just a blessing to have those people in this country. It's just, it's odd. You know what I mean? We've been screaming at the top. I mean, dude, the episode we did, hundreds of millions of views. Yeah.

With all the clips, all the reels, everything, the episode, the downloads, like, all together, it's hundreds of millions of views. And that's just one, that's just two people talking about it for less than three hours. Yeah. Right? Now there's lots of people talking about it. I just did a music video with John Rich, who's singing a song about child exploitation. I met this woman who was trafficked, and now she's kind of doing what you're, not with the tech and stuff,

but, you know, she's going after traffickers. She's doing, she's helping with rehabilitation, you know, and I'm hoping to actually get her on the show. Her name's escaping me right now. I wish I knew it. But, you know, and then you, anyways, what I'm saying is like, all these people, screaming at the top of their lungs at how often this is happening and you see it i mean fuck 50% of the people i interview here you included some type of you don't call it trauma i don't know what else to call it yeah i get what i mean sexual

i would call it trauma so i can call everyone it's not trauma to me but it's i get it but you know what i mean it's it's at least i just had tig uh from bengazi here you know and he was talking about how many it did it was like i can't even remember how many times he was sexually assaulted before he was he was an adult i mean i was like tig like fuck man this is it's like a monthly occurrence for you this is horrible you know and a lot of people are scared to talk about it and then tim comes on and just like he said seven i thought the number was actually nine but only whatever you know seven not less than 10 people in the entire country are dedicated to this yeah less 10. Like, somebody's stopping that from growing. Somebody is fucking stopping that from growing.

But don't forget about, like, yeah, you're right. There are some things that are out of, that are definitely, I don't know, but there are, the FBI and the HSI, and even Secret Service have a child of crime. They all have a little piece in this fight. A little piece. A little piece. They need a big piece. Why is this not growing? Because, Sean, I could pull my laptop up, not go into a teen chat. I could go on a dating app right now. Let's give you an example. And within, like, I could just put my laptop down to the side. If I open that up, like, it shows a map of where you're at, and it's a whole other topic that would take me an hour to explain, but it's a, it's a great app for decoys to go on

because it shows, it's not a good app for, it's a horrible app for children. It's an app for gay people, and like very similar to, if you're familiar with Grindr, Grindr is a dating app where they can, they swipe yes, yes or no, or message the people, and, you know, their conversations delete when they're done, they hook up with each other, and they never see each other again. It's not really like a relationship app. This one is, it's called sniffies. Sniffies? Yeah, it's not an app. It's a website that can work on mobile or computers, and you can press the button, use anonymously. You don't need to put in any email, you don't have to sign up, you have to do nothing. You click, use anonymously. You end up with this map around you because

you share your approximate location, which is pretty spot. to your exact location, especially if you're on a phone, and it tells you everyone around you that's using the app. If I throw up a picture of myself using like a filter that makes me look young, I'll get DMs from people in this area, not just somebody in a teen chat that's, you know, anywhere in the world, people hear, and then they'll message, you know, you have to go in, you have to have a little bit of a conversation back and forth. They'll ask how old you are, you tell them you're under, and, you know, let's just say eight out of ten times, they're fine with it, and they want to meet up.

So for the decoys out there and the other agencies out there, if they could just automate sniffies, they would find a ton of these guys. They could automate the process and literally go and just set warrants and pick them up. Like, it's that easy.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. How the fuck aren't they doing this stuff, man? I really don't know, man. That's the part that frustrates me. It's like they want it to happen. I don't, I'd hope not. I mean, I hope not too, but when, I mean, it's like,

I mean, what else can you think? it's weird it's been going on forever and it's getting louder and louder and louder and louder and nothing's being done man it's just non-profits setting up all over the place it's all these non-profits which it's you know which is great thank god somebody's taking it into their hands but it should be our fucking law enforcement that's doing this shit that's who it should be yeah and it's not yeah i agree and and i i don't want to speak negatively here and be wrong but you know When I get into the 764 case, the FBI has, to my knowledge, 240 different active investigations right now regarding the 764 case.

I can tell you that within the short period of time that we've started an operation at Sentinel investigating 764, there is more than 240 different things that we found that we found. You know, so, like, with just passive reconnaissance. Say that again? The FBI has how many? They have 240. Let me get the numbers for you. Just so I want to be 100% accurate.

What a joke. What a fucking joke. I don't want to talk negatively, but it's true. So I'll read it straight from here. Here we go. Get ready to get pissed off, everybody. Okay. So, 764, adjacent,

discords and all of the, because remember, I'm not giving these people credit by username, not giving them credit by their group names. The only one that I'll talk about is 764 because it's only giving them what they want. They want recognition these people. There's a ton of subgroups, a ton of them, that all are doing exactly the same thing, but they, I'll get into the whole story in a minute. But the FBI is part of 250 probes tying these streams to global 50. So I was off by 10. The FBI. The FBI has found 250.

Probes is the word that I'm reading. So I can tell you that there's way more than 250 people doing this. There's more than 250 people in just one server that I would join to get some screenshots to I'm about to show you. That's what the FBI has. What is Sentinel done? Sentinel, just in the last month and a half, almost two months, we've infiltrated three different groups that I don't want to name, but you'll see them.

I would say there's a thousand different users, minimum, minimum a thousand. So you've probed 1,000? Users. And the FBI's probe 250? I don't know if they're talking about, they're not really clarifying here. It's 250 probes. That's all it says. So I don't know if they mean users, groups, arrests, communities.

I mean, there's a lot of, I don't really know. Well, it's definitely not arrests. Otherwise, it would say arrest. No, it's not arrest. It's not arrest. The FBI hasn't done nearly as many arrests as they need to. This is 250 in a lifetime. Sentinel does it for two months and gets a thousand.

Yeah, and watch what happens. How many people work at Sentinel? Roughly. They're working on this case, specifically. This is an operation that I got to kind of cherry pick people involved. If you don't count one of the main guys that's overseeing it, the with the feds, there's six. Six, six people. Six people on this operation. Wow. Wonder how many people at the FBI are working on it. Must be less than six, right? I mean,

if you guys got a thousand in a couple of months and they got 250 and I don't know. You're going to get my house a little fire shown. Well, that's down. I agree with you. It's frustrating. I just, what can I do about it as, you know? Yeah. Somebody's house needs to sound. the alarm, but it ain't yours. Yeah. Yeah, government agencies. It just, it doesn't matter who's in there. They're just worthless.

It's it? They're just worthless. I like that. A lot of hope for this one. I did. I had a lot of hope. For what? For that things are going to change and they're going to be great.

We're going to go after all the bad guys. Speaking of that, going back on a positive note, what has changed, but like you just got done saying the preventative side of things I truly believe and said to you in the beginning I believe that preventing it from happening in the first place if possible is the most effective solution to this problem

so by letting parents know that this is a thing by letting parents know what they can do about it how they can talk to their kids about it or educating them about it there's a very strong chance you're going to stop something that you would have just thrown the iPad at your kid

or put them on a computer not knowing like, oh, it's a kid's game, Roblox, little cartoon squares running around the screen. How dangerous could this be? Like, if they don't know any different, then they're putting their kid in a dangerous situation and they don't know it. But if they know and they're listening to the words that you and I are saying and they take action, I feel like that's making change. Yeah. So I think that that is valuable. But that's just my opinion on it. It's definitely making change. I just wish that the government would take this shit a little bit more serious.

Agreed. You know? So... They're the ones that really have the keys to make this shit go away. Yes. They aren't fucking doing it. They are not doing it. I agree with you.

It's frustrating that more can be done. That is for sure. Are we getting ready to talk about... Yeah, I want to show you one more thing, though. Okay. Regarding that, because it just kind of brought it to my attention. I want to... We got to take a break before we do that, because I'm all right.

about to lose my fucking mind and this is really good this is something I want you to see because you're already pissed off and I'm not trying to piss you off more but it's something that you need to know this is straight from the Google website and this is the global request for user information so you can see here subpoenas is red look it said back here is 2010 barely less than to 10,000 going all the way to 2000 Let's say 15, we're at 20,000 requests for, less than 20,000 requests for subpoenas, right? Then you start getting into these later years. Holy shit.

The biggest difference, like triple, quadruple, you know, quintuple. So this information, this is just Google. This isn't all the other places that are receiving subpoenas. And this is, you know, primarily, I would say, the United States. who else is sending subpoenas to Google. I mean, other people are. Jeez. Is that an image?

It's an image, but it's on Google's website. We got to overlay that on the screen. Yeah, I can send it to you. All right. So we're getting ready to dive into the nasty shit. Yeah. All right. Let's take a break, get some water.

Okay. Take a lap. Yeah. We both need it. Cool. Oh, before we do that, before we do that, Before we do that, hold on. I want to give you this hoodie.

So it's a Pentester hoodie. A little Easter egg in here. Check this out. So you got the Pentester P logo, but then on the other side, you'd be rocking Zero Day. Nice. Love it.

Yeah, and then on the back, I asked your assistant, and she said, she said, do you wear a large? So hopefully this fits you. Perfect. So hack all petos. Hack your local peto.

Love it. Love it. yeah and you know another the reason why i actually got that idea was um was a good friend of mine um his name scammer payback he's got a youtube channel as well yeah he catches catches scammers that are like going after elderly people you were telling me about this guy yeah he's awesome i want to get him on the show he is awesome his name his name's his name is his username um i don't want to say his real first name because he does guys get along oh i love him he's a really good friend of mine he's he's a believer in god which matters

a lot to me. And he knows the Bible inside and out, so he teaches me a ton. And one time I was over at his office, we've done a bunch of videos together now, all in the last three years, but we've done a bunch of videos together, one of which was an interview where one of his team members was interviewing me. And in the middle of an interview, he's got a connection at HSI that he deals with named Scott. Scott calls him, says, yo, we got some people here. size outside, and they want us to go, one of the other people that work in the office, has this cash mule on his way to pick up what he believes to be $40,000 in cash from an elderly woman. I'm doing an interview just like this, but with his team member, and they say, like,

yo, we're about to leave, we got to go catch this cash mule in a parking lot. HSI, we're thinking is involved. HSI last minute says that they don't have anybody, so they back out of the situation last minute. Not Scott's fault. Scott was all it was trying. He in a whole different state. But I leave the interview, mid-interview, get in the car. I'm in the car with my back like this because, you know, I grew up in the hood and I ain't getting shot.

So I look nuts in the video. I'm all the way back like this. And we're in this parking lot waiting for the cash mill to show up, driving four hours north to meet where we were supposed to meet. And we're, you know, we're looking around the parking lot. We see this. We didn't know what they looked like.

We just knew they were coming. to collect the cash and we knew that they were going to most likely have a different they were driving from florida so we knew that they were going to have a most likely have a florida plate um and uh and eventually a florida plate pulls in um and we see it circle around the parking lot a couple times and then they start going into this other parking lot and then we start following them guy gets out of the car he's a heavier set asian guy goes into the lows and he walks around the store it comes out again and we're like that's definitely the guy that's definitely him it's at the plates there he's acting suspicious and nobody wants to get out of the car at this point because everyone's scared and i'm the same guy like

i said hide him because i don't want to get shot just in case now i see the guy out of the car i don't think he's got any firearms on him or anything like that so i'm like i have tattoos i could probably come off like i'm a scumbag that has 40,000 and cash to hand off to him so i get out of the car i literally said that that was my words i get out of the car i go right up to his winch off as a great scumbag. That's exactly what I was trying to get at. So I go right up to the dude's windshield and I'm like, yo man, what's up?

And he gets out of the car. I bring him out and I'm like, so you're here to pick up $40,000. I'm start to like, I start to like, you know, go at him. And I was like, yo, lift up your shirt. I didn't tell him I was law enforcement or anything. I just said, lift up your shirt. And he lifts up his shirt.

He actually listens to me. And I make sure he doesn't have a firearm. I was like, give me your ID. Give me your ID. And he shows me his ID. I take a picture of it. At this point, I find out, He's on a visa here.

He's got some type of, like, license that I've never seen before. It's like a visitor's license. And then he starts walking, not running, but walking. And now he doesn't know how to speak English. He only knows how to speak some Asian language. And I don't know. I guess he understood everything I said, was talking fine prior to realizing he's getting trouble. But at this point, no one in the local area, no local PD, NHSI were coming to pick him up.

So it was like, the only thing I could do at this point is just filming a guy. ask them questions and use Google Translate to try to get his responses. So I'm chasing this dude around the lows, just walking around, watching him pick up. Like, he's driving four hours from Florida to get, I think he grabbed rubber gloves, I think he grabbed tied laundry detergent, or no, I'm sorry, a clothes detergent, and like, and nothing else. That was like, you drove four hours of lows to pick up some laundry detergent and rubber gloves? Like, no, dude. Like, just tell the truth. what were you here to do? And then the team that Parogi works with is scam or payback, he started taking the screenshots of like saying,

on my way where you see like the GPS screenshot and matching up the route and everything to where the lows would have been. And it was all spot on. So it's 100% correctly the guy. Information was sent along to the feds. Not sure what happened with it. But the video is on YouTube if anyone's interested in seeing. You can see me in the middle of the interview. I got to check this out. Yeah, it was like the same way you and I are talking now, Imagine someone opens the door and it's like, yo, we got to go. There's a cash mule. HSI's outside, boom, and we just book it right out the door and we're on our way.

It's like, yeah, so big, big props to scammer payback, parogi. Big props to him because that man, he's a holy person, a good person, a charitable person, and all he cares about is saving elderly victims. And nobody's perfect. I'm sure he's made mistakes in his life, but the guy is a good dude. And I've spent time with his wife and kids. and I spent a week at his house before. Like, you know, working, but at least spending a week at his house.

Like, I really like this guy. Dude, you got to connect me with this. I'll connect you with him. I will. If you're running with him, he's got to be great people. He is great people. You'll love him. Let's take that break.

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Let's get back to the show. All right, Ryan. We're back from the break. Now we're getting into the heaviest shit of... the interview. Yeah, the most important to me personally. Yeah, so we're talking about, are we going right into 764? I think that's what we should do, yeah. Okay, so what is, what is 764? What is it? So I'll tell you in my own words first. 764 group is a Satanist cult group that focuses on extreme violence, and one of the main things that they focus on is towards children. Um,

They're labeled as a nihilist group and for anyone that doesn't know what a nihilist is, it just means like they believe that nothing matters. No, like there's a group called it, but no lives matter. No one's, no human life matters. Nothing matters. That's what a nihilist is. And these people have proved over and over again that they, they fit exactly the description that, uh, that they're labeled as. And there are a ton of offshoots of this group, which I want to make it very clear. They're the main reason why they do a lot of the things that I'm about to show you is to get the recognition for it. There is to get the recognition individually, even if they're part of a group or a group that, you know, they just want their group out there in any way, whether it's negative or positive. This group isn't looking for positive attention. They, uh, they're, I'll just be candid about it and just, and tell you they, they, they, you know, extort children out of, out of sexual material. They extort children into cutting their wrist, hurting themselves, cutting areas of their body, engraving their names into their chest, their legs, their arms, their faces. They've had children commit suicide live on camera in front of audiences of people while they get cheered on.

They convince children to kill animals in their house, like their pet cats, their pet dogs. They try to convince them to kill their family members, commit mass murder. beastiality, incest, you name it. A lot of it has already been done. And I have a lot of examples of that to show you today. And that is only with two of these groups that we've been doing passive reconnaissance on for a short period of time. There is plenty of other active investigations that are going on with other organizations that I may or may not have involvement in. But what I can show you today is based on what Sentinel and I have found in a relatively short period of time and it's it's going to blow your mind it's it's absolutely disgusting and um there's just there's

there's more to it but it was created by uh I create it was unbelievable but a 15 year old boy started this group in Texas a 15 year old boy 15 year old boy started the group he was the beginning of it and uh he from what I I read was a nonverbal kid that had some, you know, issues. You know, I don't want to glorify this kid or talk about him in any way where anyone would feel bad for him because he created something that is the worst thing next to, you know, all the other things that we've talked about. This is probably one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. And, you know, we'll see how you feel about it when you see it. But it was all started from this kid. And there's something

called, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's called the comm. And the com is a collection of mostly teenagers, but there's adults in there as well that congregate on the internet. The calm is short for the community. And they congregate on the internet and they docks, meaning like release personal information on people. They swat, meaning they send SWAT teams to people's houses just to, you know, scare them and to, you know, get recordings of them being swatted so they can use it to brag. Like, for example, they'll call in to a local department and say, hey, my name is John Doe. I have bombs strapped to the windows. I have my family strapped to the chairs. I'm going to shoot them all, if any, police enter the door. They're going to say all these

horrible things so that a swap team, you know, response. And that's what swatting is. I've personally been swatted three times, two of which, like, police actually showed up and it was a big deal. I had a video of one of them, but I never gave them the recognition that it happened. There was no proof that it happened other than my recordings of it that I saved on my phone. I never put, I didn't want to give them the credit, you know. So that's the com. The 764 group actually came from the com, and that doesn't mean all of the people, the people in the com have their own problems.

They do their own stupid stuff. They've been torturing me since I was on your show three years ago, releasing my credit report, my personal information, sending pizzas to my houses, U.S.PS boxes to my houses and on, like, pretty much thousands of boxes, no, literally thousands. Sending what to your house? USPS boxes. Like, because they're free.

Like, you can order them on the U.S.PS site and they'll just keep sending pallet after pallet after pallet of these boxes. It's like just to be annoying, though. Like, they do it to be annoying and to get a reaction out of you. That's the calm, and they, a lot of them don't like me, and that's, you know, I'll keep, I'll keep the calm pretty short because they're a whole different topic, but, you know, usually just annoying. I wouldn't say that they're hackers.

I would say they're more annoying, and they have technical abilities. Getting information on people, the way that they mostly do it, they like to use the term TLO, which TLO is just something trans union offers to, to, to, run a report on somebody, and they'll use, like, a stolen private investigators account to run somebody's name, get their social credit report, and all the above. And if they don't have access to one, they'll pay 15 bucks to someone that does, and that's how they got my information, which I don't care. I genuinely don't. My credit's frozen. My address is out there publicly. There's nothing about me that they're going to find that isn't already out there. Like, it doesn't matter to me. You can docks me.

you want all you want. You could try to swap me, but like, I know all the police all around my area. They're fully aware that people are going to try swatting me and have continued to try to swap me. I'm not really worried about them. It's more so the 764 group that stemmed from the comm, which is a whole different set of evil that I've never seen, where they want to, like, they want to sex-thwart children. They, like, and usually, for the people out there that are not familiar with that term, is when somebody sends naked photos, could be an adult or a child, and the second that those photos are sent, they say, if you don't send me X amount of dollars, I'm going to send this to your family,

your friends, your school, your loved ones, and they try to extort them out of funds. Most of those sex-storters, not that it's okay by any means, but most of them are just trying to make money. They're not trying to do anything evil. And nine times out of ten, they're never going to send that to anybody. They're, they're, because they're never going to get paid if they do, number one. And number two, they're, like, if they was a child that they have nude images of, they would be distributing CSAM, like solid sex abuse, child sexual abuse material.

So, you know, it happened, the reason why I say that is I have a family member, it's very close to me, that it happened to, he sent stupid pictures, he was an underage boy, And I won't say his name, obviously, but I had to coach him through how to deal with these people. And they wanted money. They didn't want any of this other evil stuff. And I got them to click a link, the scammers. I found out that they were in, you know, a foreign country that was, you know, I believe it was Nigeria. It was a couple years ago.

But I think it was Nigerian scammers. And I told them, just ignore them. Just don't say anything to them. I know it's hard. I know you probably feel like they're going to ruin your life. But they have no benefit in sending your photos to anybody. And they didn't. That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

It just didn't happen to him. And most of the time, why would they? It's wrong, and I'm not saying it's right. I'm not trying to make it sound okay. But in comparison to what these sex daughters do, it's not even comparable, man. I remember telling you, I remember you telling me about these guys. The last time we met in Florida, how bad this shit is.

yeah I've been working on this for a long time and with Sentinel it's been a few months but I've been working on it for a long time so I it is how did these guys pop on your radar so I was a federal agent actually gave me a heads up about them and from there I never heard of them

at that point and I started digging digging in just reading the public stuff out there and it blew my mind it was it was like the clearest definition of you know evil. I keep saying the word, but it is just pure evil. And that's what they want. That's what they're going for. But it's just hard to believe that people out there exist that are even worse or if not the same level of evil as the other people that I'm fighting against. And these, a lot of them are

teenagers and young 20-somethings. But, you know, there's the random 30, 40-year-olds that are involved in this as well that they just want to cause harm. They want to cause destruction. And what is the next level? It's, you know, it starts with, with, and I'll get into some of the terminology, but they call it cut signs, or I've heard in some of the groups cut sluts is what they'll call the little girls where they cut a username into their arm or their breasts or their legs or whatever part of their body. And it started with that.

And then it was, okay, what's the next step? Kill the animals and then, you know, hold up a username with on a piece of paper and then hold the dead animal on the other hand. and you know like that group will then send that message everywhere and then the person thinks by doing that the child thinks by doing that they're going to stop they're going to leave them alone and what ends up happening is they know that that victim's just going to keep keep doing whatever they ask because they've already they've already done it and now they're in possession of the news and these people will send it to your family and friends and it's just unbelievable there's

there's more to it but I want to show you some of the content and some of the questions that I'm sure you're going to have, I can answer and I want to. There's just so much to this that I could go on like an hour tangent trying to explain it. But can I, could I just start by showing you this situation and then we'll take it from there? So I went into, to the 15-year-old that started it. He started luring miners from Minecraft. That's where it all began. It all started with him lowering miners on Minecraft to, you know, sextort them and make them self-harm. The group was influenced by Order of Nine Angles, which is a Satanist group outside of the Internet,

which is a combination of Satanism, neo-Nazism, occultism, and all kinds of things. So, you know, obviously that goes with, if I want to just read a list. It's rejected empathy, promoted ritual. violence, belief in culling, which if you know what culling is, that means that real power comes from harming others without hesitation. So that's like a whole Satanist belief. And then there's a ton of offshoots, a ton of these other brand. I got groups that I have notes that, no exaggeration, this long, full of different groups that are doing the same thing, full of members. How many members is this 764 group have?

If I don't have an exact number on it, but if I had to guess this, 20,000, 30,000 people. It's huge. Like, there is no shortage of these scumbags, no shortage. The average vulnerable target that they're going for is 9 to 17 years old. Nine? 9 to 17. That's the average. They'll go for anybody.

But that's usually what they run into in these games like Minecraft and Roblox and other social media apps. And without going into more of these notes, because I'm just trying to hit some key points and not forget them, they're targeting minors, and I have a few screenshots to show you this, on mental health forums. So they'll go to a mental health forum where they see somebody is struggling as a kid

saying that they're either being bullied in school and they don't want to live anymore or that they're self-harming already. And, you know, they'll pretend, So they lure from those groups. They groom them by trying to be their friend or pretend to be their boyfriend and give them actual mental health,

mental health therapy. Sorry, it's hard for me to even say this. Mental health therapy. And I'll read those conversations, some of the grooming that they do. And they even have playbooks on how grooming and they have over 240-page manual on how to do this to children,

that they share amongst each other. And they, like I said, they're all in mental health forums. They even had, I have a tweet that I took a screenshot of. I'll show you where it's a group that, where they're saying, like, join here if you're struggling with mental health. And it's just a direct link into one of these horrible groups that as soon as that person or child, mostly children, believes that that person's their boyfriend or their friend or their girlfriend, one or the other, and they send those nude photos.

the second that happens, then they go right into the extortion and extreme violence. All they want, they want to create what's called, and like I said, I'll get into the slang. They want to create what's called a lore book. So it's like a collection of all of their extortion material that they could use against them. And do I need to use any more of these? Let me see. Yeah, so, okay, and these notes to over 200. 150 ongoing investigations by the FBI,

briefings at Europol Conference, FBI classified 764 as a domestic terrorist group, yep. And then there's a bunch of people that were arrested, but way do you see the time that a lot of these people got? It's nothing, man. It's nothing. And some of them are having children kill themselves. like it's mind-blowing it is absolutely mind-blowing but I'll read you talking about time they got

in prison time they got in prison yeah they've had people kill themselves through extortion and I mean what is the sentence what is it so I'll read you some of the stories okay so these are just notes that I wrote for this podcast and I figured that I would do a lot of it off the top of my head but it gets me so worked up that I'm probably better off just making sure I get this on point, but 14-year-old, and I'm just going to use their first names of the victims, even if it is public, 14-year-old Elliot joined a black metal music forum during a tough family transition and started a new high school. 764 members pretended to be supporting quote-unquote friends directing him to Gorsuch, which later escalated to him carving satanic symbols into his skin and producing

hundreds of self-harm photos categorized as CSEN. So that was that was one. And something that I learned is that self-harm pictures within themselves, even if it's children from what I read, is not considered CSAM, like child sexual abuse material, but if it is sexualized, it turns into child sexual abuse material. So that's a weird thing for me. I don't fully understand that. Another one, teenage girl named Eve, was found in another Discord server, Discord's a chat application, that a lot of them use.

by a 764 member posing as a friend. He faked giving her a ton of affection, support, which, in quotes, which she desperately needed at that time, which is what she said. Then extorted naked photos and forced her on video to carve usernames deeply into her skin and strangle and behead her pet hamster, a member said, bite the head off,

or I'll F your whole life up, in quotes. And later, she cut herself deeply in the bath, to, as they told her to, turn the water red. And there's, you know, a video of her in a bathtub that's red full of her blood. They even send a SWAT team to her home, as well as leaving a permanent 764 scars all over her body. She's still in therapy. And she did all of this in her bedroom closet. And I have the pictures to show you this with this particular victim. A 25-year-old man, deep in depression was targeted by a female that was also recruited into 764 so likely a victim herself that was converted into an extorter which happens often by the way that happened that's that's common

that's common because these kids they're already a lot of them struggling with mental health issues they find a group that they think are their friends somehow and then they start extorting other kids so it's it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken and she started so in this particular case the 25-year-old man deep in depression was targeted by a female recruited into 764 she started daring him to commit self-harm videos which later escalated to him dousing himself in gasoline

lighting himself on fire in his hotel room as the group watched and laughed at him He passed away. See the see screenshot I wrote of the virtual funeral because that's what he said watch my virtual funeral and I want you to hear these these idiots in the YouTube video as this guy lights himself on fire Here. Bishkech called Tashtar Ata. He found a spot in the snow, set up his phone, and lit himself on fire. The entire ordeal played out live on a Discord call. At least 29 users were in the server while it happened,

as he was propping up his phone, sitting on the ground, praying, then dousing himself. Some were recording, others were cheering. In one clip, someone shouts out the group. Another calls her by name. You hear that? So he said that's, he said that is the worst death possible man. And they're laughing about it. And what you didn't see on the screen is a blurred video of him lighting himself on fire dead on the ground as these people are laughing at him. And naming out their groups that are that are not associated to 764, but offshoots of 764. So that's that's from a public YouTube video. but relates to that story I was just telling you. Another one, in one case, a person was already arrested threw a brick through the window of a pregnant teen's car.

It was lured from Roblox. She threatened to report the group to Nick Mick, National Center for Missing Exploited Children, and the shock put her into cardiac arrest killing her and the baby. The guy was arrested for being part of the calm, meaning the 764 group, and he had his own offshoot and was charging $50 to $200 for bricking, swatting, and doxing services.

So bricking, like I said, I'm going to go over these terms, but bricking means show up at somebody's house and either throw a brick through their window, shoot it up with a gun, vandalize it, break windows, do something, record the video, and post it. And sometimes when they do this bricking thing, they'll do it to their own members to see if they're loyal and, you know, like, won't call the cops, and if the cops come, they won't snitch. They'll literally do it as a loyalty test, which gets even worse in a bit. But that's what bricking is, and that guy is arrested. 22-year-old member of one of the groups kidnapped in the 12-year-old girl in Virginia. He was convicted and sentenced to, this is a good sentence, a long

sentence to 350 years in prison. 7-6-4 group also leveraged animal torture, incest, self-harm, bestiality from their victims. 17-year-old member Nino livestreamed himself attacking an 82-year-old man, and two weeks later, he murdered a 74-year-old woman on video who he believed to be Roma to prove his loyalty to the group. He was only sentenced to 14 years, and I have a video of that, which is very disturbing. He murdered, he murdered, he, heard an old man terribly

and murdered an old woman gruesomely, live on Discord, the chat application, just to prove to these people that he, that he had what it takes to be part of their group. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

And did you hear the sentence? 14 years. 14 years. Where was that? I don't know off the top of my head. How do you only get 14 years? I would imagine it wasn't the United States because if he believed him to be Roma,

that's like a usually other countries. So another one, a 13-year-old girl, this happened three days ago, four days ago. Where? In Washington State. A 13-year-old girl was found hanging in a parking lot in Washington while live-streaming her suicide.

The chat was encouraging her to take her clothes off because they said it would be hotter, quote-unquote. And I have the article about that, but she, it's, the, the criminal that convinced her originally to live stream this was, he was dubbed with hundreds of crimes, and he victimized more than 30 children alone by himself, this one guy. The 13-year-old girl was hanging in a parking lot dead while the chat was telling her to get naked because it would be hotter.

And that just happened, so I don't know about an arrest on that yet. Slaying, which I'll get into the videos in a second. So cut signs, cut sluts, carving names, group names into their skin very deeply, not like scratching a little bit, like going in, you know, permanent scars. In Florida, that one girl was swallowing razor blades. A little boy, yeah. Or a boy. Yeah, a little boy was swallowing razor blade's on camera.

A lure book, victim of, I'm sorry, a lure book is a victim collage of CSAM that they will use to threaten to show family, friends in school. Loring via social media, online games, leverage for nudes, and later extort via self-mutilation, suicide, and all the other things. One of them is lighting a homeless person on fire with a Maltov cocktail. That's something else that I'll show you. Swatting, sending a SWAT team to a victim's house, tricking the local PD into believing in actual crime

is being committed in their house. Tradecraft, that's the evasion playbook, so meaning they're encrypted chat rooms, and you need proof of crime to enter. So, like, either it's a combination of you doing self-harm, showing the victims that you've had do things to themselves, murder videos of you doing things to animals or people, something, you know, they call that,

tradecraft to get initiated into these groups, you need to prove it's, I'm sorry, tradecraft is the evasion side of things, like how to hide. The, I don't know why I have it on the same line here, but the proof of crime to enter is what most of them require for you to join these private groups where these people are at. Unless you're a victim, they'll just bring you in, obviously. Bricking, I explain what that is, throwing a brick or gunshot at the house or multiple gunshots where one of the cases was a teenage girl pregnant with a baby and the brick went through her back windshield, put her into cardiac arrest and killed her and the baby just from a brick going through the windshield. Why would a victim want to join this? Do they feel that they don't belong anywhere else after they've become a victim because of the extortion? It could definitely be the case?

Like, why would you want to do that to somebody else after you've just been through it? I don't know. I can't put myself in their heads because I can't comprehend this as a human being how you could even do something like this. They neither. So I don't know how a victim could turn into one of these scumbags, but it happens often, unfortunately. And they're young, impressionable kids.

So the way I look at it as I was young at one point in online chat rooms, And thank God, I never had anything like this happen to me. And I never sent a naked photo in my life. So I've never had as a possibility. But I could see, with some of the hacking communities I hung around doing illegal things, I could see myself doing something stupid that I normally wouldn't be doing otherwise because I wanted to fit in with that specific group. And, you know, you talk about a 12, 13-year-old something, per girl or boy,

maybe these people have convinced them what they're doing is okay. So I don't know. I'm just trying to rationalize why somebody could be that evil, but that it is a thing. And then the last one I want to add here, Sean, is blood writing, which is a very common thing they like to do, which is smearing blood on the wall, usually satanic symbols, usernames, and group names, in their own blood from the cut signs. So from there, I kind of want to put it in your hands here where you can see What do you think the best way of doing this is? Because I have them in organized in folders for the different categories of stuff.

So do you have any questions before I show you that stuff or do you want to see it and then talk about it? Just flip it around and show it to me. There was a lot. Like it's a little, it's going to take a second to go through. What am I looking at here? So I don't have them in order because this is a shared cloud thing, but luring, grooming, like if you start with loring, and you see here, like you just double click it, join cool friendly, yeah, if you want to read them. Join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times.

And that's a direct link. Yeah, direct link for one of their communities, and then you hit the right arrow key here. Outpatient Wellness Center. Then if you read their description. No CP gore leaking, no drugs, guns, or nudity, no advertising. Join group. Oh, fuck. Cultist discord's thread.

Join if you are any of the following. Mentally ill, fatherless, daddy-ish, issues, schizo, B.P. Borderline personality disorder. And then fem cells, like some, like, you know, you act like a girl or feel like a girl or something like that. So that's just some of the luring that's easy, you know, this is how kids could join a group and not know, like, what they're joining in advance.

They think, oh, this is a group full of people that might help me with whatever I'm going through. And it's school. Sorry. to grooming here is one of their this is one they share amongst each other grooming

grooming is very commonly used and easy way to get content usually when you have groomed your victim she will do exactly as you say no matter what you have to make your victim think that you are her god and that you own her

and forever will you can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram, etc. Once you have found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her. Call her cute nicknames when you have talked for a little, like princess, darling, honey, etc. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you have talked for a while, you are going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is going to say yes to.

Now that she is under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information, etc. If she doesn't do self-harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs. when you have done all of this. Yep. And then here's, if you just skip that one, this is just the, you don't have to read the whole thing. Just this is a guy grooming a victim. I'm really sorry and I love you a lot.

You're the most beautiful, cutest, sweetest, most adorable girl in the world. But the only problem is that you're not my girl and I want you to be. I know I'm somewhat demanding of things. I'm sorry for that. And I'll work on that issue of mine. I'm just saying,

I really want you. You're the sweetest girl in the whole world, and I'm like obsessed with you. I don't know, but I'm sorry for threatening you. I thought I was going to lose you, so I just started saying stupid shit. I would really like you or anything. You're too sweet and cute for me to do something like that to you.

If you gave me a chance and we date, I promise and vow on my life, I'll make it the best RLS you'll ever have. I have no idea what that one is. And hopefully the last. We can have fun all the time, and I'll text you nonstop. I'll block every girl on my friend's list. Even the guys, if you want that.

I won't talk to anyone for you. I really like you a lot. And I'm really sorry, ma, ma, ma, ma. It's the same guy. No, it's a different person. Each one's different. I don't understand this shit, but. what are you talking about

l-o-l i totally won't stalking your account what you're doing totally uh and i'm in bed right now papa finna get in shower she says i'm tired he says take a shower with papa or he says take a shower with papa she said i'll be naked scary uh he goes papa will be naked too it's okay

daughter's supposed to take showers with papa's Papa will make your squeaky, make you squeaky clean, okay? She says, yes, clean me, touch all over me. He says, I will. Papa will have to touch your privates, though. And this is in the grooming stage, remember, where they don't know they're about to get extorted. Jeez. I mean, you can see, please don't leave me.

I'll do anything. I'll do it fine. I love you so much, more than anything, anyone else in the entire world. You make me so happy when I hear your voice. I smile so much. your voice is so pretty you're the most beautiful girl in the entire world and i hope you know that you make me so happy i hope you know how much i love you so much i'm really sorry for the things i've done please forgive me i love you respond i'm sorry you just is blowing up her messenger because she's not

answering them and that's the grooming side of things which you know appears if you were to not know anything else it appears like a guy that wants to get you know hook up with a girl that's young so i skip some of that. And then from here, starts to get into things that are a little more rough. So here's some of the guys. You already read grooming. Extortion one, if you want to read that. To start off for you to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom without grooming. You won't even get any information or any nudes. And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following. You must have the following. Personal information addresses, names, phone numbers, and nudes. Once you have this stuff,

you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting, and leaking personal information, etc. If she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, make a cut sign, kill your cat, and kill yourself. At the end, if you have done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content because no one wants to see some shitty cat scratches. Right. Meaning there's content as content. What they're saying is they don't want you to grab like a paper clip and and write a username into their arm. They want you to deeply cut it into there

where it's going to permanently scar and bleed badly. And you read that. There's a website, and I won't name the website, but there's a website that has, look how long that takes to read, the average. They have a whole handbook on people, like they train each other on how to extort minors

into doing these horrible things. It's unbelievable. Jeez. This is the prolog of the question handbook. The handbook is a, comprehensive guide that provides deep insights into the tactics and strategies that can be used to blackmail and exploit victims, primarily through the use of compromising photos or videos. It delves into aspects of Corsean and highlights the various methods to maintain control.

Oh, coercion. Coercion. And still fear and coerce victims into complying with the perpetrator's demands. Additionally, it offers step-by-step and for everything there is to know about carrying out a successful scheme, from identifying potential targets to executing the blackmail process to creating convincing fake identities, maintaining anonymity, online, monetizing, and safely storing and content, ensuring that the perpetrator remains untraceable. This is not a handbook to teach victims how to protect themselves or seek help, but rather to teach perpetrators how to locate and exploit their victims.

So my dear reader, if you choose to go further, it is at your own risk. You've been warned, but on the other side, you may find a way to unleash your deepest desires. We can all only hope, right? Yeah, so I cut the book at that point, but there's a 240-page book, and here's what they would talk about for a 14-year-old, and they rank it based on, you can read it. It's great. Choose this age if you are specifically speaking young victims who can be controlled for a long time.

14-year-old identity. Victim reach, three stars, receiving nudes, three stars. Success, five stars, long-term victim, four stars. Yeah, and they're doing that for a 14-year-old. They're saying that's the odds of all of them things happening. This is, yeah, so girl, if I can skip right to it. I don't know. It should be around.

I just saw her. This is not it. Here's that girl right here. What is this? This is just a girl. She doesn't hurt herself, but listen to what they say. Just please no. Okay, well listen to us, babe.

Come on. We're trying to help you out. I just want to be left alone and leave the third of it. Oh, I understand. But it's not that simple. can I please just do that you want to leave the server I don't know if you ask you I think she's got to work for it

yep definitely what the fuck is that are you like dyslexic or something holy shit I'm looking in the camera to do it you're stupid can you hear us hello yeah I can hear you hey what's up yeah I'm 27 years old by the way I want your daughter to do stuff for me

Okay, that's fine. I'll report you to the police. Oh, I'm sure you will, Faddy. Can you leave the room, though? I'm busy talking with your daughter. I just saw her tits, and she's like 16, I'm 27. Make her lift up for a shirt. You'd think it would end here, right? Watch what happens.

The girl's back. The dad gives her the computer back. What? Yeah, watch. Watch. See? She's back. Do you want to die tonight?

Do you? and he ends it with Do You Want to Die Tonight But the dad gives that girl The access to the internet After he just saw on her Not even her Hurting herself

But I'm threatening her That's a bad parent in my opinion This one this girl is just cutting her ponytail But it's very sad I don't know Should we press send Fine No

It's much okay Go. Start cutting. Chop, chop, chop, chop. Fucking safety scissors. Yeah, they are really bad. Keep going. Please just leave me alone. This is the extortion side of things. I want to just show you some, you know, not as, I don't want to show you videos of, you know, what you're thinking because it's just, it's too much for, it's too much.

These are some of the cut signs. Oh my gosh, dude. That is the name of a person. That is fucking deep cuts. And that's the name of the group. that's another name of the group with you know just pointless hate this is a very deep holy shit and if you read this one oh no let me get you the first one so you can it makes sense right here

it's hard to read but it says laughing as they called me names reposted my videos and pictures. I strip myself down. I don't recognize a single square inch of my body. It's all branded, cut up, and bruised. I hate them so much. And then that's the name of the group that's cut into her stomach that part of the groups. Here's some, they're called blood signs, where they cut themselves and put the blood on the wall. And a lot of times it's satanic things, which I have one you can read. Do you want to read it? I don't want to read the wrong names.

The username made me paint the walls of Eden with my blood, snuffed my humanity. Where is your God now? And it's a wall covered in their blood with satanic symbols that they drew onto the wall. Very, very graphic of the, you know, they cut themselves deeply and write this into the walls. I sold my soul to the group name

written on this wall with handprints of blood upside down crosses, pentagrams I sold my soul to that group name again completely different victim do you want us to put these up I mean you're welcome to take all of this I mean has anybody done this

is this? There's some of this is like almost all of this is public I wanted to make sure I wasn't putting anything illegal on your show public where is this on different forums and stuff Animal abuse. There's a girl holding up her cat, covered the head of the cat. But that's the guy's username, very popular in this, in this, you know, all of these cults, all these groups. And that's just a victim, but she literally murdered her cat. This is a guy, completely separate situation.

He killed his cat, victim. That's the cat, dead cat's body part. body part, and they use its blood to write the group's name. Oh. There's some rough stuff, so get ready for this. Yeah, I'm going to do it. Yeah.

What the fuck, man? This is on a call with somebody random in the group. So this dude, we can't put that up. this dude just stomped on an old woman's head until she was dead and then slit her throat yep just to prove to that group that he was worthy

here's a suicide from somebody that was trying to do you know his own version of anti-extortion he wrote a suicide note put himself online puts up the note to prove himself and that's a suicide note and that he just ends it and that's it's it for the him yeah the guy that was I guess already knocked out I don't know if he died or did not die but these are all different individuals by the way like the the criminals holy shit

that's somebody I took the video off of this because I didn't want you have to see someone burning alive but that's a homeless person fully engulfed in flames and murdered and then him in the chat bragging about it

jeezed that and then the last one that I'll show you is the miscellaneous which same username from earlier has me and my two year old sister captive he's a sick man and then you see her with her child one day i will record it and i will fucking show everybody i will show everybody haley either i get myself or i will kill you I'm not fucking joking. This shit over an e-girl, Tori, over an eager over fake shit. I promise you.

Either I die or you fucking die and you watch me laugh, smile at you crying in pain. Stupid fucking bitch, you are worth nothing, nothing. I promise you, Tori, you will be there to watch. Okay, okay, call now, okay, bro, I understand. He's threatening your life. I mean, it's just a group chat full of people that are talking. We're almost done. Here's somebody right here who, if you read this one.

Little information about how I started this. I've always been a psychopath and always wanted to watch girls and flip pain upon themselves for me. My earliest cut sign I've ever got was a single K back in 2016. Over the years, I've stopped taking breaks, come back on new aliases, but I have a total of over 2,600-plus groomed victims. My goal is to reach 3,000 before I get fedded. Welcome to my suicide chat. I'm trying to host my own virtual funeral.

This is the guy who lit himself on fire in the hotel and had everybody there. I think it was 30-something people watching. Here's, to enter this group, you have to give either cut signs, deep cuts, blood signs, suicides, or bricking. You have to do arson, stabbings, or graffiti, and you need all, like, these different amount of pieces of each thing to get into certain levels of these groups to prove that you are real. So that's part of what I was talking about with the crime proof. and then this is someone admitting to stings I have little children

cut themselves for me and do weird shit and like I might have people like strangle themselves with a broken cable or kill their pets or just do weird shit and I record it or have other people record it and then like I'm part of a cult

like a really bad people cult but I'm also part of some other shit too just like uh just like lame shit oh who knows with that guy that was just a random piece evidence here's roblocks um which i'll get more into after this but you see that's that's their logo right there and then that's a shirt that says i love cp and it's in the game itself and then me not a victim like all of these things that should be censored by the game not uh not being censored this this and this, donate for CP. And the thing about Roblox is they're making 30% of every single sale that goes through their game. And I'll explain that more to once until this is over. They're making money

off of this. Why stop here? There isn't a drought of kids on Roblox. So this person is talking about how many kids there are. And this is a known group for these people. This is a username that if you put that in the chat, GPT, I guarantee you it would know exactly what it means. But if there's no AI doing moderation on Roblox, that stuff gets by. Which, if the people can't see it, it's pedophile rapist. That's the username, but it's spelled wrong. This person's saying, do you like play? Because if you did, I'd read you.

And this one, this is unbelievable. So this, imagine a premium service for a free app. So Discord, the chat application, is a free application. It's about $10 for their premium features. And all you get in their premium features is emojis, like different, you know, little emojis, being able to color your profile with different colors and stuff, and maybe a larger file size limit to send. But that's all you get for Discord Nitro is what this is called.

And this conversation says, I got a two-week Nitro trial. If you want one, the guy says give. He says yes. guy says will she cut for me he says yes we'll cut on camera he says all right other guy says if i tell her to he says can you tell her to he said nitro first he said all right so he traded a victim for ten dollars and the ability to send emojis in a chat application that's how petty and ridiculous this is here's an 11 year old victim they're selling for money oh man what do you mean selling her. You read it. For sale, 11-year-old girl. She is very naughty girl, has been

deflowered, yet still in ripe enough condition. No visible signs of abuse. We'll listen when she is put under enough pressure. Make sure to give her enough attention and she'll never leave you price $1,200, only accepting Manuro payments. Which is an untraceable cryptocurrency. So, but you see how she's got the group name written here? Yeah. So she's not only being sold by people that are into children, adults, but she is being sold by these satanic scumbags that are doing that.

So is she a hostage or is this or is? It's hard to tell that it, she may, she may have been forced to take a photo like or she may actually be a hostage yeah so i i think that is all of that i have in this folder at least um for anything that i didn't elaborate on there well i think we need to get these to my guys so we can put some of this at least some of it on camera so dude what the fuck man So, so this is, oh, man. It's, it's rough, man. I'm sorry you had to watch that.

I just wanted you to understand how severe this actually is. And these are little kids. Little girls. And boys. So how, okay. So what game, what are the most popular games that the, that the 764 cult is luring their victims out of? Roblox, Minecraft, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat.

Okay. Tell me about Roblox and Minecraft, because I don't know anything about gaming, I don't game, I don't... Understood. I don't either, but it's part of the investigation. You got to, you know, a lot of times I'm investigating, I end up on these games or apps, and Roblox is the one that I'll focus on the most, because that seems like the majority of the issues right now. I know little kids that use that game. They're 75 million active daily users. so it's the largest child's largest children's game in the world right now i've been telling people

too about what you've been telling me for what at least six months now about the seven six four called none of their kids are off of it yet yeah most people just they throw their their iPad at their kid they put them on roblox and like i said earlier little cartoon characters running around the screen no harm in it but you know something that most people like most people most people I see, like, you didn't seem to it to even know, but like, they just banned a guy, there's like a young guy who was actually groomed and had issues for himself on Roblox, who has a popular YouTube channel. He started catching predators on Roblox. Just regular old predators that are interested in children, not these guys. And he got, from, to my knowledge, there could be more. There was six arrests. I saw six mugshots that came from this one guy, his name is Schlepp. And, um, he got, from, to my knowledge, there could be more. There's, there was six arrests. I saw six mug shots that came from this one guy, his name is Schlep. And, and, He went, like, mainstream on the media because Roblox sent him a cease-in-disc letter for being a vigilante on their platform. They did a press release saying that they're banning vigilantes from Roblox. Did a whole statement.

You should see this press release. It's unbelievable that their excuse. All are excuses of why they think vigilante should not be a part of Roblox. There are a ton of predators. It's a... Is this publicly available? Yeah. We'll post that up right now, too.

So this is the official statement from Roblox saying why vigilantees shouldn't be taken down pedophiles and set off of their platform. They want these people on there. They want these fucking people on there to... That's essentially what it meant to me. Your children. And your children are on here. And I'm fucking telling you, you better get them off. You better fucking get them off.

It is going to happen to you. Yes. It's a, it, these people, they're sitting predators, if you've noticed. What the fuck? What fucking parent keeps their fucking kid on there after we're telling them this shit? I don't know, man. I don't know. But it's unbelievable to me.

And it's predators hang out in spots where they can prey on victims. They, that's why there's so many teachers, why there's so many police officers, why there's so many, you know, parks that things happen at, or gym teachers or people in positions of, power where they have access to children, that's where predators end up. And then people are surprised by it. They wonder why? Like, why do you think these people took the job in the first place? Do you think that they weren't a predator? They weren't a pedophile prior to taking the job?

Like, they've always been one. So when they're on Roblox, and it's the largest children's game in the world, obviously. It's the largest children's game in the world? Yeah, yeah, largest in the world. So when they- The largest children's game in the world doesn't want people on the platform saving fucking kids. Are you fucking listening to this shit, people? The largest video game platform in the world doesn't want to take any measures, any fucking measures at all, to save kids.

In fact, they made a press release discouraging it. Yes. A cease and desist. Sorry, not a press release. Both. Both. And you're, in, in, in the, in your fucking paying this platform money, you, there's millions of people that are going to listen to this, and I'm fucking telling you, you are paying,

you are, you, you are complicit in this shit. 100%. And let me tell you some more, Sean. So Roblox, if parents have their kids playing on it, it's, if you're familiar with Fortnite, there's a similar in-game currency called the V-Bucks in Fortnite. night in Roblox is called Robux, like R-O-B-U-X. So if you want to Target or Walmart or CVS right now, we could go buy a Roblox gift card that a kid can cash in in the game and they get a Robux balance.

So they'll get it for their birthday presents or their parents will buy them these cards, which allows them to buy like outfits in the game or access to do fun things and in actual kids games, right? Well, there's these public games where developers, like you and I could be a developer for Roblox by just signing up. up to be a developer, put out a game, Roblox will host the game, and then everything that's purchased by these children within game, in-game purchases, they make 30% commission on. So when they leave up a server that is talking about, you know, child, in that example,

they use CP as the term, and then there's other servers where they're blatantly wearing 764 shirts as characters, they got upside down crosses, they got satanic symbols, they have people in the chat logs talking about grooming. They have all these things, but they're profiting directly off of this stuff. And, you know, they don't have, to my knowledge, it's like if being the largest game in the world comes with some responsibility, you know, for kids. And I believe you should have a full team, full of people that are familiar with child crimes working in your content moderation team. And if you don't, then you should be hiring these quote unquote vigilantes that you're kicking off the platform that are getting arrested on your platform, you should be

hiring them because obviously they're making more of an impact than Roblox is, at least publicly. Roblox doesn't want to make an impact. They want this shit happening. I guess. They want this shit happening. It's hard to believe. Otherwise, they wouldn't be sending fucking cease and desist letters to people who are trying to save kids. Yeah, wait. I mean, let me just pull up the press release. People are fucking supporting this shit. It's wild. I want you to hear the title of this question. It's wild. But the title is the Roblox, Revis Release, Diligilantes. Like this is not something I'm just coming up with off the top of my head.

It's, let's see, I want you to hear the title of it. More on our removal of vigilantes from Roblox. And it goes into a very long press release that explains why they're removing vigilantes from their platform. Look at this. Why we remove vigilantes? The importance of accurate reporting. Help what Roblox remove bad actors. What happened after this?

So they lost, I think it was, I might be off by a little bit, but $13 billion in market cap, I believe it was in 24 hours after releasing this and doing a cease and desist. The guy, Schlep went very public with the media. Chris Hansen partnered up with Schlep to, like the YouTuber, to talk about this specific problem

because it made no sense. That makes zero sense why they would want to get rid of vigilantes on their platform if they're not causing any harm other than just exposing the predators. And people, you know, a lot of people, I'm sure, took their kids off of Roblox, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there's 75 million daily users. And another thing, outside of child predators, Roblox, actually, I'll show you a picture with it, but before I show you the picture, there's a ton of Charlie Kirk assassination assassination excuse me there's a ton of Charlie Kirk

assassination simulators in Roblox that are publicly facing that any child can join that are very graphic some are photo realistic some are cartoon where they can play the role of the shooter they can they can watch in the crowd as he as he you know bleeds out they can you know any child can join this and I have photos of it so you can see this is on a on the on the most popular kids game in the fucking world? Yes. So here's some screenshots of Roblox. If you join my Discord server, you'll see Real CP.

That's just one. SWAT Us, we dare you. You're based in your mother's basement. But look at that, that's... Yep. There is another one. The Roblox in-game chat references twist sexual fantasy, 764, and the age of young gamer.

So if you look in there, join slash that name. That's a very popular group. before the com. So they don't even hide. They don't even hide. Come girl on cam slash where the calm girl's at. Calm girl meaning like a girl is doing.

They're telling you what they're going to do before they do it. Well, not all the time. Sometimes they lure them straight in here and they don't. In this case, they're straight up saying where to go watch it. And this is in game.

Like in a children's game that should be blocking all of this. Kirk knew it was coming. Hi, Gabby. And you can see the photo of it happening on this character's shirt. there's a game you can literally go on the Roblox website

and just press the play button and just play it and you see this Holy shit that you can use real V-Bucks to buy these t-shirts which I'm not V-Bux I'm sorry Robux to buy these t-shirts

and you know it's that means Roblox is making 30% off every sale of that t-shirt so Roblox is making 30% off selling gamer, what do you call that, like a skin? A skin, yeah. A gamer skin, like an outfit for your character to wear

that is Charlie Kirk shot in the fucking neck bleeding to death. Yep. They make, Roblox makes money off this shit. They make money off of all this. The predatory behavior. And parents are supporting this. That's fucking genius. It's unbelievable.

Because they're too fucking lazy to watch their own kids. That's what this is. They're too lazy to watch their own kids, and they think that it's not going to happen to them. and it's and their kids are smart enough to not fall into this trap it's all these things that is not the case they're wrong they're they're wrong and i can tell you with absolute certainty i i do this every day six almost seven days a week of my life is dedicated to this topic and i don't have a child i and when i do i don't know how i'm going to act as a parent but i could tell you with for absolute sure this

is not going to happen in my house it's not going to happen my kids are not going to be part of these games. They're not going to be part of social media until a later age. I understand there'll be friends that are going to hand them the phone. I know they're going to break the rules, but I want my, and look, I can't speak on what I can't. I don't know. Maybe I have a kid that defies everything that I say, and I'll eat my words at that time. But right now, I'm, I can't, I can't understand why you would even let your child play the game. Why would you buy them robocs in the game? Why would you give them access to a computer if you see they're even playing it? Knowing what you know right now, So, not just Roblox, Minecraft 2, any game where they're talking to strangers that is unrestricted,

you should not let them play, especially at a very young age where they don't even know right from wrong. So that's, I could go on, or I can keep going on a rant, but parents are going to make decisions for themselves, and the question that I'm going to get asked, and I get asked by everybody is, what can you do about it? Well, the answer is two things. I wish I had a better answer. It's either sign up for a monitoring software like Bark, because Bark is very good for what it does. It monitors for bullying,

monitors for sexual type of activity, and monitors for suicidal ideations, all of those things. I have no partnership in Bark. I just like their company. I think they do a great job. Custodio is another one that also monitors devices, but Bark is the one I know the most. They both, I'm sure, are great.

And the most important one is being aware of what this stuff is, do your research, watch the news, or Google search some of these terms on the news, 764 group, the com, Roblox, predators on the internet, watch some of these podcasts, listen to some of Sean's episodes, get yourself familiar so that when you have a conversation with your kid, when you decide this is the right age to talk to them about this or that, then you have less of a chance of them falling into this vicious cycle. And if they do fall into it, they feel comfortable. enough about it to come to you about it and tell you. And that's the best advice that I can offer you. I don't have a button that just erases predators off this planet. If I did, then half of my life would be a lot more free than it is right now. I got something about this. This needs to spread. And so if you're a parent, when your kid's hanging around with other kids, because everybody's

addicted to their tablet, because all these, I don't know what the fuck kids are doing with phones anyways i mean you said it perfectly the first episode when you hand your kid a phone you're not giving your kid access to the world you're giving the world access to your kid right i've said that many times since i've heard that come out of your mouth i've heard you on that but you know you need to be asking all the parents that your kids hang around with if their kids on roadblocks if they're not on row if they are on roadblocks then you need to educate them if they still don't give a shit then you need to shame the fuck out of them that's ridiculous that's this shit's fucking crazy. Don't let your kids hang out with anybody that's playing that shit. Well, I mean,

remember, we might be old school, but like there was a time when going outside and riding around on your bike was like what was hanging out with friends is. I know that's not the case anymore and I know that parents are going to use that as an excuse. But it should. That's what we do at my house. We play outside. We do fucking bikes. We do creeks. We do woods. We do hikes. We do camping. We do forts. We do all that shit. We don't fuck around on the phone. Yeah. And I love. I love that about. I love that. And same thing with my business partners. They don't play that at all. Same as you. There's a lot of parents that don't, that will not allow it. Another thing, it's like, and this is a whole different topic, but I just want to just breeze over it real quick. It could get very sensitive for people. And this has, like, if you're watching this, please do not take offense to this because it has nothing to do with, with you being into men, women, being trans. I don't care what you're into. You can look at me as a Christian or a right-wing extremist or whatever else you, that I've read about myself online, I don't care if you're gay, I don't care if you're trans, I don't care about any of the other things, gender fluid, all of the things I'm not thinking of

right now. What I care about is if you're attracted to children, I don't like you. It's as simple as that. I don't care if you're a girl, a guy, a strawberry, whatever, I don't care. But when you bring these books into kids' schools at extreme young ages, like I'm walking in fly, which, as most of you know, is a pretty wild state, and usually against a lot of things, I mean, a lot of people don't like Florida. I'm walking through Barnes & Nobles, and I see that there's the gay BCs in there,

by, by binary, and I'm looking at the table of contents of some of these books, and one of them is talking about AIDS. It's like, how do you explain to your four, five, six, seven-year-old kid what AIDS is without telling them what anal sex is? Yeah. Like, you can't. You can't. So why bring these children's books into a school,

and expect kids to, like, I didn't learn about sex ed until maybe seventh, eighth grade in gym class, and it was like cartoons on the screen explaining what the body parts were. These kids are learning, like, for you to know what the opposite sex is and for sexes to be attracted to the same sex, they have to understand what sex is. And the only people that should be teaching their kids about anything sexual is their parents. So, I don't know. That's a whole different topic, a whole different tangent, but I don't like these books. It's got nothing to do with lesbian, LGBT.

It has nothing to do with that. I really genuinely on my everything that I love. I don't care. But I do care when it comes to kids. I think they should make that decision as grown adults. This is why so many people are moving to homeschool. It makes sense. It remount to some of the schools.

Tons of people are moving to the homeschool program because of shit like that. Sorry, it's got me pissed off. We've covered that stuff several times, Ryan. You don't have to cover it again. You don't have to cover it again right now. It just got me frustrated. because it wasn't too long ago that I found out that it was in you know Florida bookstores and stuff's been going on for a long long time very frustrating

but that's why you're seeing that's why you are seeing this wave of people move into homeschool because they're just tired of the ship they're not going to deal with it anymore and the last thing I want to say last thing I want to say real quick is is when talking about these cults and satanic groups and some of the stuff that we talked about in red I understand the people that are watching, some of you are not going to be able to see these videos in full, pictures in full, but I want you to understand how graphic this stuff actually is, how much damage they're actually doing to children, to animals, to their family, to strangers, how volatile this could be. And remember where it starts. It starts on these

games like Roblox, like Minecraft, websites masquerading themselves as mental health support groups. even be an actual mental health support group that they groom your child off of. So remember those things. If you don't see any of the content and you don't believe it's as severe as I'm saying that it is and Sean saw with his own eyes, just trust me when I tell you that it is. And I pray to God that your kid never becomes a victim of any type of sexual crime as well as any sort of crime or turn them into a, all of it. I don't even know what to say, Sean.

It's got me, I can't, I never spoke on this topic. We're doing it, Ryan, we're doing it. The parents that care are going to watch this. Their kids aren't going to be on Roblox anymore. They're going to be educated, just like the last time. And then there's going to be a handful of parents that just don't give a fuck. And that's on them. That's on them.

They can, they can regret it when they figure it out themselves. Just this alone is going, I mean, and look, if it's not, if, let's say, Roblox disappears, tomorrow. Let's just say 75 billion people watch this episode and they're all on Roblox and they're like, fuck it, I'm out. That's just going to move to something else. So you've got to be you have to be a vigilant parent.

You have to pay attention to what your kids are doing online. But I think the majority of, at least this audience, people take action. I believe it and I know it and I see, like I meet people all the time

that watched our first episode. And like I'm repeating myself, but have said that they've made changes based on what they saw on our episode, on other things I've done, but it doesn't matter where they hear me. I don't care if they hear me in a bathroom stall in Jamaica or Haiti. It doesn't matter. As long as they're hearing it from somebody, it doesn't have to be me, and they make a change. That's all I care about. I did want to cover one more topic here. Absolutely. We were talking about it. We were chatting about it last night. Only Fans for Teens. Yes. Brand Army. I had no idea this shit was going on either. Yeah. What the fuck is this? I mean, you educated me on it last night, but I'd like you to

educate the audience on it. Sure. So the brief, because that's a whole investigation within itself. So if you're not familiar with OnlyFans, it's a website where people can sell their bodies for money. That's for adults, adults only. There's a site called Brand Army that you can join the site as early as 13 years old, and they have a policy of how many bikini slash, like, you know, revealing photos that you can post before, like, so you could post, let's say, one bikini photo, and then it has to be two normal photos, and then another photo that's revealing, and then two more normal photos. And these are 13-year-old, you know, girls or boys, but the other part of it is to subscribe to their content, where they're paying for this, the child's content,

and the parents are actually directly profiting off of it, you have to be 18 years old to subscribe to the children's content. So it's so backwards. There's a house in Florida called the BOP house, BOP house, that BOP is like a sign term kids are using for like a slut or whatever. And there's a lot of OnlyFans girls living in there, but one of them was under 18, and they were waiting for her to turn 18 to bring her on to OnlyFans,

and they were using Brand Army before that. Are you fucking... Yeah, so they knew exactly what they're doing. It's not like a misunderstanding. This is very like the parents that are doing it and letting their kids use brand army are fully aware they're selling they're sexualizing their children and profiting

and profiting their children and profiting off of it. They're fully aware of it. I didn't think I was going to get this worked up this episode. My apologies. Ryan, what are you doing to take care of yourself? I worry about you, man. Not a lot, man. But I got some advice recently to, there's a great therapist in Texas that I was told about

who specializes in some of this specific type of stuff. And, you know, a lot of this I feel like I compartmentalize and I'm having some physical issues I talk to you about. I don't really want to get into that here. But even if I really feel like I'm able to compartmentalize and focus on this being a good thing and I keep convinced to myself it's worth it because it's a good thing and I don't let it affect anything in my life.

That's what I really believe. It's now physically proven to me that that isn't the case. It has to be subconsciously affecting me so much so that it's becoming a problem I need to get help for. And I'm not saying that to pity me or to feel bad for me,

but, you know, take many years of dealing with the most gruesome stuff that's, you know, probably worse than murder every single day, and I think anyone is going to have some type of reaction to it. If you didn't, I think there'd be something wrong with you. So at some point, I will seek out the right type of help. Therapy is a tough topic for me. As you know, I've owned three mental health facilities.

So finding a good therapist is a little harder for me than your average person because I got some internal feelings about them. And then growing up with therapists, they weren't the most trustworthy. It's like they were more my friends than they were my therapist. It's tough for me to believe anything anyone says that's a therapist. But if and when that one in Texas works out, I'll be happy to do it. And any other thing, I'll update you. And I'll let you know.

But yeah, I need to take care of myself. Ryan, I want to bring this up because we've had several conversations about this. Last night you were telling me stuff, and I'm not going to get specific, but it is very much affecting your life and people who are close to you, that are around you and you know I know dude different sector not as dark as the shit that you're in but spent a lot of time at war I just want to fucking tell you man like I get it I know that every time that you you need to take off to get help you think of that is there's one more child that's not going to get saved dude you cannot fucking think like that you have to take

of you because if you don't this shit is all going to come crashing down and then you will not be able to function and then there's going to be a shit ton of kids that aren't going to be saved because you're not right so you have look dude you have to fucking take care of yourself you have to go on vacations you have to be around people that love you you have to get you have to get help you have to clear your head you have to do these things or it's not going to end well for you man it's not i appreciate you saying that i want to i want to say this in front of this audience because they're going to back me up yeah and i and i respect you i respect you and i know that you know what PTSD looks like i know you know what trauma is and if you're

telling me i need it i believe you i take your word for it you know it's a there'll be a time where you get a text for me randomly and i tell you i'm doing this i'm doing that i'm doing it's gonna happen it's a it just i push it off for long enough that you're right i get what you're saying it's it's just so much easier for me to push it off because of the reasons you just stated we talked about him last night so i uh i uh i need to focus on myself because if i yeah i don't even want to get into what i'm going to say so i just started i need help you don't do it for you something that's what you're saying i don't do it for you do it for your mom do it for your girl yeah do it for me do it for everybody do it for just fucking take care of yourself i can't help anybody

I can't help myself, so I'll keep it at that. All right. I will definitely get help. I appreciate that. I love you to death, and I appreciate you very much. I love you, too, brother. Thank you, man. I'm proud of you.

Brow to you, too. That's an honor. Thank you.