Shawn Ryan Show - #262 Aliia Roza - Russian Sex Spy on Seduction Perfumes, Sexpionage and Honeypot Tradecraft

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Aliia Roza is a former secret agent turned women’s empowerment coach, public speaker, and influencer with over 1 million followers on Instagram who specialized in seduction and psychological manipulation to dismantle human and drug trafficking networks for the Russian government. Born in Karaganda, Kazakh SSR, in the former USSR to a distinguished Kazakh-Tatar military family, father Colonel Timerbulat Roza of the KGB 1st Chief Directorate (retired FSB general-lieutenant), mother Gulnara Roza daughter of Red Army Colonel Khasan Timerbulatov (Order of the Red Banner, Berlin 1945); she was rigorously trained under a state program for officers’ children in martial arts and psychological conditioning, later graduating from Russia’s Military Academy of Internal Affairs and earning a master’s in fashion from London’s Istituto Marangoni plus certification in human sexuality from Kinsey University. Selected for elite KGB-style training, Roza infiltrated criminal rings to rescue underage girls from sex trafficking; during one mission she was abducted and beaten by gang members but rescued by a target who had fallen in love with her, prompting her final operation, witness-protection status, defection from Russia, identity change, and relocation to Europe. Since 2018 an ambassador for London’s Best Beginnings Charity (endorsed by the British Royal Family and personally introduced to Queen Elizabeth II and King Charles III), Roza founded the Roza Club, organizing 30+ humanitarian events backed by Cartier, Rolls Royce, Damiani, Roberto Cavalli, and House of Garrard to aid underprivileged women and children in London and Paris. A 2017 Miss Asia International Beauty crowned by Sushmita Sen, she earned Forbes Woman Empowerment recognition at Cannes and Venice Film Festivals (2019, 2022) and speaks at the United Nations and World Changers Summit in Vatican City. She co-hosts the podcast To Die For with Neil Strauss, has signed with Topic Studios for a life documentary, and is writing a book exposing KGB spy techniques to help readers spot manipulation in relationships and daily life; her column “How to Dress Like a Spy” translates espionage confidence into practical fashion and self-empowerment advice for women. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Get $10 Off @BRUNT with code SRS at https://bruntworkwear.com/SRS #BRUNTpod Head to https://lumen.me/SRS for 15% off your purchase. Ready to upgrade your eyewear? Check them out at https://roka.com and use code SRS for 20% off sitewide. Go to https://helixsleep.com/srs for 20% Off Sitewide Aliia Roza Links: IG - https://www.instagram.com/aliiaroza YT - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOlgX-RrnrBsbWpNhkGtd9w LI - https://www.linkedin.com/in/aliia-roza-17710a39 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Alia Rosa, welcome to the show. Thank you so much, Sean. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Well, thank you for being here. A real-world honeypot. Former honeypot. Yes, thank you.

You know, I would be like, who knows what will happen to me tomorrow. No, I've been, so I've been really excited about the world. this interview. Thanks. I'm glad we were able to make it work. I knew we had to reschedule, but, you know, what caught my, I saw you on, you popped up on my Instagram feed, and you were talking about, I believe you were talking about spies in Silicon Valley. And so that caught my attention because I've been interviewing a lot of tech giants from Silicon Valley startups and very established. And, you know, I had breakfast or lunch or dinner. a lot of times with the guests off camera.

And a handful of these guys were talking about Russian and Chinese Ukrainian. Honeypots, yeah, spies that are going in there. And, you know, they meet these tech guys that probably there's probably a handful of them that have never been with a woman and then a beautiful woman comes. And then there goes all the secrets back to Russia, China, Ukraine, wherever. Russia also has a strong secret intelligence. I figured.

And so, you know, and so we would have these conversations, and I was a GRS contractor for the Central Intelligence Agency. And through a lot of my deployments, one thing that I noticed is I didn't see any Russian ones, but I saw a lot of Chinese brothels that were being set up all over Iraq, all over Afghanistan, all over the Middle East, pretty much anywhere that Americans are working outside of the U.S. and probably well actually definitely inside the u.s they have um they have they have they have brothels where they're trying to lure in state department intelligence professionals um anybody that they can you know kind of get their hands on so so it was an interesting dialogue every single time and then and i was i was surprised but i was like oh shit like you guys are very aware of this kind of stuff. And then about a month later, you popped up and I was like, I got to, we have to do this. So thank you. Thank you for coming. No, I really appreciate it. You know, I appreciate

it so much for being inviting to your interview because usually press, when I give interview or something, usually press they either exaggerate everything, either they write more. And they call me like these crazy names, like, you know, the sex spy reveals the confession or like the sex spy manipulator tells the whole truth and all this. So I understand they need to sell it, but I mainly gave an interview about how to prevent manipulation, especially for those men who work in tech companies who are super busy. They don't have time to go and socialize, you know, and meet women who are devoted to their work and hence they, when they meet someone online, like virtually, sometimes because of their kindness or maybe because they're

naive sort of, they don't even think that behind this account may be a fake account of a professional, mature, male, intelligent officer who pretends to be this cute, nice, young, female, you know, girl wearing like bikinis or wherever on the beach. And love bombing, his account through these social platforms like LinkedIn and, you know, could be Instagram, Facebook, whatever. And this poor man, because they don't have female. attention during the day, they buy it. And because they go too into this relationship,

they've been manipulated, and it's really sad. Because, you know, when I gave an interview, I was actually in New York Times Post, I was actually giving some techniques how to prevent manipulation, how to see through this manipulation, and how to understand what are the red flags, not just for men, but for women too. There's so many online scammers, right?

And we know so many. who actually, you know, love bombing you in order to get some money out of you and, like, hack your accounts or, like, bank accounts or whatever. So the Times article went out, like, 22nd October, and in the Times magazine it said that, according to the commission of the theft of the American intellectual property, the theft on the trade secrets, cost over $600 billion

to American taxpayers annually over 600 billion dollars Yes, so you can go in... Yes, yes, it's in the article and it's the whole investigation actually there is an expert James Malvinon, if I'm, you know, pronounce it correctly.

He is actually for 30 years investigating espionage in corporations such as like, you know, corporations in Silicon Valley. And that's exactly what he says, that he even, I mean, he looks like about, like, 60 years old guy, he said, like, I've been targeted and I've been contacted by so many Chinese beautiful, pretty accounts in LinkedIn, where I understand probably they are spies or, like, fake accounts. You see? So that's what's going on. And that's why we would like to bring awareness, me particular, to this man.

to be very careful when they have these messages online from these pretty beautiful young girls. Why would they find you? How would they find you? Why would you think that they want to kind of like date you and whatever just because you're cute? I mean, like, think about, like, where do you work? What kind of information?

Let's be honest, a lot of them aren't cute. So, you know, but it's, so we'll get to all that. I think that's very important, but, you know, I just thought the, I thought the interview would be fascinating. And it's going to be even more fascinating than I thought because, you know, originally when I, I just saw the clip, you know, and so I was like, we have to get her. And then going through the outline and, you know, as we've, as the team's been talking to you about the outline, I mean, so you were basically, you were basically trafficked. and this is a lot this is a lot different than what I was thinking so it sounds like you

you were trying to take down basically trafficking networks traffickers am I correct yes and there's a lot of trauma involved in that and a lot of recovery yes a lot of I still work with a therapist every week really yeah for 17 years 17 years

Yeah, and I still have PTSD's and anxiety, and it's a big challenge. Oh, that it is. Very, like, sometimes, like, there are some days that it's just, even my spy techniques don't really help that. I mean, of course, they do help, but still, sometimes, like, I find myself that I just cannot go through the day and it's really hard. So, yeah. Well, everybody starts off with an introduction here.

So here we go. Aaliyah Rosa, a former secret agent turned woman empowerment coach, public speaker, and influencer. Born in the former Soviet Union into a Kazakh Tartar family of high-ranking Soviet military officers. Your grandfather was a national hero who fought the Nazis during World War II. In 18, you became a Russian FSB-trained citizen. seduction agent, where you dedicated yourself to combating drug and human trafficking. And then you defected from Russia, writing a book that reveals spy, secret spy techniques based on the KGB program, and there's a documentary being produced about your life.

And then we pulled a quote that I thought was pretty interesting from you. At the end of the day, when I saved someone's life, I felt good about it. but I never asked myself how I felt being in a body that was constantly abused and raped by random men. One former FBI agents said I was a broken toy, that I was sex trafficked myself, but all my classmates, we didn't feel this way. We felt patriotic. We were ready to sacrifice and do anything for our government. That's how I felt. It's a pretty powerful statement. Thank you. Yeah. That's a pretty powerful statement.

powerful state but so um so like i was saying you know before before we started rolling the cameras here i would like to do a a life story on you and then toward the end of it talk about some trade craft and manipulation techniques how to avoid it and and all that kind of good stuff and who knows what kind of rabbit holes will go down uh after that but before we do everybody gets a gift oh thank you Wow, thank you. Can I try it? Of course. You can try it right here. You can try it right here.

I'm so excited. I've seen it. I was like wondering, what is the taste of this gum is? So curious. By the way, while I'm packing it quickly, so we are working on documentary. It's not produced yet. We're just like in the beginning of the beginning. I just find a deal with Topics Studios.

But we didn't even start filming it, so yeah, it's not very good. Oh, really? Yeah. Do you have any idea when it will be out? Probably next year, but I think the book will come out earlier than the documentary, because, you know, everything like basically coming from the book. They're looking for the IP, blah, blah, blah, and you know how it is. Are you going to be in it?

In a documentary, yes, but TV show, no. To we show somebody else will film. Right on. Let's hide it here. What's that? I'll just hide this thing. It's okay. All right, so I'm ready to try.

They're so cute. All right, let's see what you think. Mmm. Oh my God. Not bad, huh? Very, very good. Right on. Wow.

Right on. I actually save it to my son. He loves it. Bright on. He loves gummy beers. Really nice this. Thank you. we'll give you an extra bag for your son thank you you're welcome wow i appreciate it and then one more

thing to knock out so i have a patreon account it's a subscription account these folks have been with us since the very beginning and they're the reason that i get to sit down here with you today and so one of the things we do is we give them the opportunity to ask every guest a question so this is from stephen casey what is the percentage you think of compromised of compromised u.s. government actors by honeypots across all three branches of government. Wow. We know there's Eric Swalwell, right, who is sleeping with the Chinese spy. He's still in there, by the way.

I mean, I don't know this information. Well, percentage, that's actually really hard to estimate. How common do you think it is? Do you have any insight on that? I know that it's very common. Actually, in the podcast that I for, when Neil did the whole investigation and all that, we have one lady who lives in New York right now, so she's a Ukrainian-based, I mean, Ukrainian-born, and she was a model scout.

So she said in the interview that she was bringing Russian and Ukrainian beauties working for their secret intelligence to America, especially to Washington and New York, to target particular politicians and ministers to get closer, to establish a relationship, maybe to get married. So it's quite common. Then you even think, maybe I'm not saying

that every single Russian or Ukraine or wherever like Slovakian-looking woman is a potential threat and potential spy, no, but man should be aware of this. I mean, I think of it like this. It's pretty fucking simple, right? If you are a man or a woman in a position of power, if you hold the keys to new technology, if you are a decision maker and government if you are in intelligence and no shit about our government and what we're doing in areas of the world but maybe we shouldn't be in and all of a sudden young attractive foreign women or men are all around you and you're not used to that happening there's probably

something fucking going on you're not that good looking you don't have that good a game you're just a fucking government employee or or elected official who no No shit that our adversaries want. So give it the fucking program. Yes, but Sean, you do understand. You work in the military before. You understand the psychology of human beings, right? Show me any man who doesn't want to believe that he's been loved because he's cute.

Show me anyone. If I or any woman would come to the guy, even like not best looking, and would tell him, I find you very cute. I like you. I like your beautiful eyes. Oh, you're so intelligent. You're so amazing. Wouldn't he resist?

Wouldn't he say no to me or like to another woman? Well, I mean, look, I get it's hard. I totally understand that. But, I mean, you know, you have to look at the position that you're in, right? And if something out of the normal starts to happen and you have the keys to new technology, or, you know what I mean, then, like, I don't know. I just, I would think that you would be able to put it together a little bit better than these guys are.

Okay, so let me please share one example from the history. So the scientist, the famous scientist, the genius, Albert Einstein, was targeted by a female Soviet Union spy when, after he, you know, was very close to Oppenheimer and had, you know, evening gatherings and dinners together. So this beautiful young female attracted Einstein where he was invited to New York for a sculpture exhibition or something. So she met him over there, yet she was married to a sculpture artist. And then she kind of like relocated herself to Albert Einstein. and they establish love relationships.

Then Albert started to take her to Oppenheimer house where she established very good friendship with Oppenheimer's wife. And we're slowly through the wife and through like friends, Annenstein, the Soviet spy, her name I think was Margarita, if I'm not mistaken. So she was taking all this information and report this information, this data to Soviet spy. Soviet government, where actually Soviets invented the nuclear bomb during two years instead of four, just because they stole this data.

And here is a genius, very smart man, Albert Einstein, who actually were trapped, right? Was trapped under this honey trap techniques. So I don't know, if this guy was trapped, like, how about other guys, you know? So I don't, I don't know. What kind of a timeline are we talking here? So when, up in time, Manhattan Project, when it was Manhattan Project. So it was after, I think, like Einstein was that time. I mean, how long was the relationship between the spy?

Well, I don't really know this information, but this information is actually in the history. and in Russian history, also like in here, you can Google it, you can actually check facts and everything, but they actually establish relationship. They live together, like husband and wife. So Albert completely trusted this, Margarita. So that's why he was bringing her to all this family, sort of like friends' evenings and gatherings.

Interesting. So, I mean, okay, that's a little bit different of a scenario than what I was, than what I was trying to describe is, I mean, that sounds like a well-crafted operation. Like social engineering? Yes. Some of the stuff that I'm talking about is just your regular everyday hookup at the bar. And it's like, why don't talk about the secrets after the first or second night, I mean, you know.

Okay, so as a former honey trap agent, I can tell you that. Men are the most vulnerable during intercourse. And if you are quite experienced agent, you can ask certain questions during or after the intercourse, like straight after the education, sorry for, but I don't know another word, to explain. So when man is in bliss and when he's sort of like in unconscious, like, condition and when he doesn't really understand everything clearly, and if an agent asks questions like the answer should be yes or no. So it's simple question. Have you met this guy? Oh, by the way, have you met that guy? Oh, by the way, do you know, is it like this or like this?

how many like that much or like that much so just a little like two, three simple questions most likely he would tell you because like just before education or just after this is that, you know, prove it of that very vulnerable moment so here you go she got the information she'll pass it to the commander

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But we're going to get into this. But about, like, the work. So you're kind of like, oh, you know, my love, you work so hard. You're so busy. Everything is on your shoulders. I want to help you. Let me do massage for you. How was your day to day?

La, la, la. Okay, so do you do this project by yourself? Or you work, like, I work with like David, let's say. Oh, like, does he help you? Like, oh, what does he do exactly? No, no. Gotcha. You know, this sort of.

conversation like a female nurturing conversation with the man and she wants to support him and just please him and all that that's what I mean you know it's a female kind of like energy and female perspective what what do you think I mean since we're on the this top I mean we're talking about getting secrets and all this other stuff but what about what do you think about the Epstein stuff. I'm very curious about your thoughts on that. The blackmail operation, supposed blackmail operation. What do you think that was? Okay, so my personal opinion on everything I see in the media and in the news. When I didn't see it myself and I didn't see the facts and evidences, I cannot give my opinion just based on.

on someone's thoughts or someone's statements. I do not trust none of the media or whatever, wherever I hear or listen. I always do my own investigation. So I haven't been there. I haven't seen it. So that's why I wouldn't say my own opinion about that. And I don't want to repeat someone's opinion on that

because it could be all this, you know, like every single story has two sides, like a coin. On one side, it could be set up. It's always a set up when a powerful, wealthy man trying to get more power or more money and somebody else doesn't want him to do and they, like, competitor, blah, blah, blah, and that's why the competitor would set him up.

And we see this all the time. It calls actually in the spy world, it calls compromat, compromising materials, compromising someone in order for him or for this target to lose the power. Perhaps this was a compromise. I don't know. I wasn't there. If I would be one of these goals, I would tell you, yes, I was one of the victims,

and that's what happened. I don't know. On another hand, because there's so many victims and because there's so many evidences, yeah, we kind of like we can say yes. But again, you know, everything what is presented in media, everything what we see in the Internet, like I said, like I'm grateful to.

to be here because now you give me an opportunity to speak out from my own persona from myself rather than some journalists write about me calling me like different names or editing or, you know, writing about me in the own way. So I think like every single person in this world should have his own opinion and should not be under this influence of, anyone's thoughts. So make your own opinion, have your own research, do your own investigation, and make an opinion yourself. It's a good way to be. It's a good way to be. All right, you're ready to get into the life story? Yeah, of course. All right. Where'd you grow up? Okay, so I was born in 1984. I was born in Soviet Union. It's sad at the same time to say

that this country doesn't exist anymore, but at the same time, I was born in the country which had the stability, where my grandmother would say tomorrow would be the same day as today, and it would be amazing, because you don't need to worry about, like, where would you have money, would you be fired or whatever. Everybody would have the same amount of things in the house,

like same amount of money coming every month, same salary, everybody would wear the same clothes, so everything would be the same. It's kind of boring, but at the same time, and it's maybe utopia, but at the same time it gives people this stable kind of like foundation where they know that everything is similar and tomorrow will be the same day.

So it's the beauty of it. And in 1991, so I kind of like probably would say I have this amazing experience to live on the border of two countries. When in 1991, your sister fall and perestroika began, it's sort of like it was sort of revolution, almost like a civil war, because that time in 1991, you know, civilians went to the sort of like the government house, the White House, and they started to bomb to the White House. It was a mess. It was a chaos. Of course, people lost the stability, they lost all the hopes, they lost all the beliefs, you know, like that ideology that you were raised with, that this is your country, you fought for your country in the second war. They lost over 20 million soldiers in the second war, and they fought for their house, for the homeland and everything. And then at one point in one day, it just collapsed, where I spoke with some American friends and they said that, oh, Gorbachev is like the best.

Americans love Gorbachev, whereas like Russians, they hate Gorbachev, I mean, like they don't maybe hate, but they definitely judge Gorbachev because he was the one who actually signed this, this law and uses are full. So anyway, so I saw this by my eyes. where, like, you know, you have the stability and happy kind of like people living same day for the, you know, during like their life. And then another day, everything just collapsed. And what happened, I remember that time I was a little girl and we would be, we would stand with my mom, my little sister, like she was a newborn. We would stand under the rain, under the wind, and the snow for like five, six, sometimes seven hours in order to get some food from the store

because there were no food. So you would come to the store, there's no food. You can't buy anything. So you basically starving. So you would need to bring your members of the family to the store to show like, okay, I'm like, you know, adult and I have two kids, please give me like three pieces of bread and like three sausages and three eggs.

And like lines were like insane. And it was, it was like actually, it was happening for quite long time. I do believe like it was for like six months at least. I don't remember exactly like for how long, but it was really bad. You were like seven? I were like, yes, seven, right? 84 to 91, seven years old? Yes, yes.

So it was, I mean, that was my childhood. That's what I remember. And it was like, wow. So it created this sort of like lack of food and lack of stability and lack of like believe what would happen tomorrow. You know, when you're a kid and you are growing with like seeing all that, you understand that everything is so shady and it's like unpredictable and you cannot trust like anything really, neither your government, right? then my father that time he couldn't help my mom because he was constantly at his work where he was not get paid so he was that time an officer working in the military he went to the military because of his father because as you mentioned like my grandfather was a hero of the country

you know fighting nazi and i mean it's a big pride of our family it's a heritage so i was raised with beliefs. Like, you know, you also need to go and protect your country. You also need to be, you know, you need to be proud of your roots. So my father was preparing me, preparing me slowly to this military career, which I didn't know that time. But every day he would teach me, he would come back home, we would have a dinner, and he would teach me at least one hour a day about all the psychological techniques, which I didn't understand that time. Like, different scenarios in life. So he would, like, give me, like, test.

So this is the situation in life. What would you do? A, B.C. So I would pick up, like, an answer, and then he would explain me why this would work and why this wouldn't work. So when I was kind of, like, ready enough, then he taught me the extreme driving, the gun shooting, and, of course, I had to do.

physical activities actually was, I want some competitions between, like, Oblast, which are states. You know, like, here are states in Russia, they have Oblasts. So it's like a few cities together, so it's like similar. So I want some competitions in, like, gun shooting. I was the best gun shooter. And you ask me, like, Shelby, today the gun shooting. I'm like, I kind of like miss it. But for me, this is like PTSD.

you know. So try to stay away from guns and all that. So I stand for peace. And so he taught me a lot when I was a teenager. So he was preparing me for my future career yet. So I finished my high school with like best grades. Like I was, you know, I was so nerdish. I was so like, this. I was so, like, This, you know, like this bullied girl, first of all, I was only one Asian-looking girl in the whole Russian school with, like, all these kids, blue eyes blonde. Of course, I was bullied, which is normal. Second, I was such a nerd, so nobody would do, like, homework as normal in high schools. Everybody would be, like, you know, going to, like, dates and all this. I would be the one who would do my homework and reading books at nights, you know, like Dostoevsky, Chach, like, Pushkin.

So, students, my pupils, like, they hated me because I was a nerd. So I always would know, I always would do my homework, and teachers would like, okay, so nobody knows, okay, come on, you know, give us the answer. So, of course, they hated me. And then at some point, I also felt myself like ugly duckling. So I was not allowed to go out. I was not allowed to, you know, have friends, so I would come after school back home and, you know, be home

and prepare my homework and help my mom with the, you know, house and all this. So my father was very, very strict. So I couldn't say no. Also, like, they are coming from Muslim background. I'm actually not. I baptized eventually, but anyway, it's another story. So we are coming from Muslim background, where a woman doesn't have really the right to say no.

So as a woman, you cannot really speak out about your ideas or desires or opinion. So you grew up Muslim? Yes. Okay. So Kazakh and Tatarstan, they are Muslim. So they believe in Allah, and my grandmother would read Koran. They didn't really speak that language

just because in Soviet Union, you had to, like, sort of like, like speak Russian, everybody, like in every school it would be like Russian. So I kind of like lost my own language and my parents didn't speak with me this language. And also in Soviet Union you were not really allowed to have your own religion. So people who were Christians, Orthodox, they were not really allowed to wear crosses. They were not allowed to go to churches. I mean that was crazy, like imagine one of the biggest amazing church

the biggest one in Moscow, in the center's beautiful, durics or communists, they actually destroyed it and they created a swimming pool instead of the church. Can you believe that? No. That's the way it was. So they completely tried to demolish and destroy the belief into God

in Russian population. So they were trying to... Why do they do that? dictatorship of the Soviet Union's, like Stalin dictatorship, Lenin's and all that, of course, because this is the only one religion you should believe. Stalin. This is your father, this is your Tsar, this is your God, everything. So, again, propaganda.

What was the population doing when they were? The population you mean like in Soviet Union. I don't know. I mean, I was a little girl when I was in, when I was very, in Soviet Union, but my grandmother, with whom I was very close, so she would say it was, I don't know, but she would say this was the best time just because they would know what would happen tomorrow. Everybody had the same. Yeah, okay, so that government people, they live like Tars or wherever like kings, but it's just like a small percentage where the 99% of

population, they work, they would work, sorry, they would work, they would, they would, uh, the kids, they would have the same salary, they would have their, you know, stability in life. So everybody, everything was the same. So it's... Gotcha. I don't know. Stability, I guess. Gotcha. When did, so you're a Christian now? So I baptized when I was, so straight after the military, I decided to come to the gut because I lost belief in everything that moment. And, you know, you know, you, you know, you need to have your inner support.

So I came to the God at quite like, you know, big age because I understood, I mean, like adult age. So because I understood that I want to have this belief in God and I want to like, you know, I don't even know how to stay, but I just like felt like I need it, you know, like I felt like this may help me and save me from like doing bad things. I tried to suicide, I tried to drug myself. I mean, I was doing, like, really bad things to my body, to myself. It's really embarrassing to speak about it, but I just, I just love belief.

Okay. We'll get there. So at 18, have I correct, at 18, yes. Is when it all kind of started for you? Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, actually, it started from you earlier because you didn't realize it, but your dad was grooming. No, I didn't.

Yeah. So I realized it after. So what happened, I mean, how did you get recruited into being a seductive intelligence operative? Yeah, it's a whole difference. So basically, okay, so let me start from the beginning. So I turned 18, right? I told my dad, I want to work in fashion.

So I remember his answer, he said, like, what is fashion? is fashion. You have one skirt, one shoes, one blouse. This is your fashion. This is enough. You're going to, you know, this department because I have my friend there who is, you know, who I already spoke with him. He can, you know, enroll you at being an agent. That time, it was in the department operative investigation. So I have actually all the certificate archives, documents to show what year I started to work there. So he brought me to this department. I met my future commander and I worked there as an intern and then when they approve you and everything, they send you to the academy to study. So because everybody, when they just enter,

they have to know like at least how to shoot from the gun, right? So you need to. So you need to go through the education. So they're like a special courses. When you come, you are supposed to study like, you know, like gun shooting, like civil law, like admin law, like that time for, so everybody would be divided, like different departments would have different subjects. For example, in my department, we would need to study, of course, like martial arts. So how to arrest the criminal? How to read the psychological profile of the criminal. You know, his tattoos, for example, like his ink on the body. What does it mean?

What's his, you know, weakness? Like, what about him? Like, his psychological portrait. So you need to kind of, like, get into there. Then, of course, martial arts, like, you know, jihits and samba and all that. So, for example, you would be in the situation where you have to arrest someone, so you need to protect yourself. Every day we would, like, shoot from gun of the pistols.

the pistol at Makarov, the gun, the Makarov gun, and we would also do how to call it. I'm so sorry, you may cut it, but I forgot the, so it's a subject where you learn how to open the lock. Oh, okay, breaching. Breaching. Maybe, yeah, so I don't really know how to call it in English. Well, but, yeah, this sort of like subject where you actually can, you learn about, technologies for agents.

Okay. So when I came to the academy, we were about like over 300 students for like that. Three hundred students? Yes. How old? Is everybody young? Is everybody young, yes.

Everybody's young from 18 and like, you know, 20, 25. I think like before like 30-ish. Men and women. Man and women. Of course, the percentage of women would be obviously much less. So I would say like 10% would be female, the rest male. And they would have a separate dorm, like male would be like living in a separate dorm. But what happened?

So literally in the first day when we had the first line, when we lined up in front of our teachers, I noticed that the main teacher, like the commander of the, like the main teacher of the school, the director, let's say, he looked at me and he picked up, like, me and another few girls, and then we were invited to his office, and then we were announced that we are chosen for a special program. very privileged, they would never call it sex espionage. They would never call it honey trap. I understood it only after. But they said that's a special program which will help you to target those, you know, criminals or people whom, you know, who will be your task. So you need to study the subjects. You need to learn psychology. And then after you will be given tasks. This will

give you more benefits because you would have better salary, you would have better, like, promotion, you may have, like, additional vacations, and which was, like, wow, at that time, you would given, you know, that Russians before also they had, and especially in the Soviet Union, they had, like, really big problem to travel abroad because of the Iron Curtain, so you couldn't literally get any visa, so now it's actually happening the same story. So that time also, like, it was really hard to travel abroad. So you couldn't just go to the embassy and get a visa and travel to America.

Like, no. I mean, maybe if you would have a special diplomatic passport or connections or whatever. So when you actually go as this agent, you may be able to fly abroad for special missions. And it's sort of like cool because it sounds like in the movie, James Bond, wow, I will go abroad, I'll have like this special missions

and I'll see the world, blah, blah, blah. You know, for like 18 years old, it sounds like fascinating, sort of. So when they announced me that I am chosen for this program, I was like, okay, cool, you know, I'm happy to study that. And we were like five girls in this special program. So we would go to our main classes. So 6 a.m. would be the first lineup, like, you know, the morning,

then jogging, physical activities, blah, blah. blah, breakfast, 8 a.m., you have to be in the class. So from 8 to 4, 5 p.m. depends from like, you know, if you would have, like, physical activities more or whatever, whatever, you would be done. Then us, five girls, you know, we would go to the special classes for another two hours, and then we would catch up with our homework for the next day. And then that's it. we would go, so then again also like either it would be a physical activity, whatever, like

jogging or something, then dinner, and then you go and sleep to the dorm. So that was our kind of like schedule for the day. So every day for a few hours, we would study these subjects such as psychological techniques. So for example, manipulation techniques, seduction techniques, influence, persuasion techniques, how to read and scant people, how to spot the lie, you know, how. How to set up a strategy for your target, like this social engineering thing, like how to do it, how to work in the team, how to estimate your targets, weaknesses and desires and needs, how to recruit someone, how to make friends, how to attract people, how to make someone to be your informer against through manipulation, how to threaten people, your targets particular. they would want or they have to give you information you need. And of course, additional martial arts, of course, additional sex techniques.

So we would study some of the sex techniques in terms of like the pleasure for men, I would say, not particularly your pleasure, but, you know, how to please the man. but also which I find really fascinating and that's what I give to my students a lot and I think this is a foundation and I think this really changed me to who I am right now so when I entered I was like really ugly duckling I was shy and completely unconfident

so we actually I didn't understand that before but now I really get it so we've started the self-confidence techniques to raise your self-love so you become so freaking confident to go to any mission that you don't even have any doubt that you may fail. So even now, wherever I go, like, public speaking in the Vatican City, like public speaking in United Nations,

I was, you know, I told you the story, we were driving here, and I had this thought, and then I'm like, oh, come on, you know, like, I always, you know, I know, I know that I, I can do it. It's just, it's amazing how they taught us how to program your brain for a success, even though it's so hard and you want to give up, and it helped me so much when I went to the war and I went to the really bad, dangerous missions,

and I was thinking, that's it, right now this is the end. But just because of these techniques, I always had this thought like, no. I know that I can go through that, I know I can do it, I know I'll do it. Like, this is the belief which I didn't have before, and it was, like, placed and planted into my brain, and I believe that this is the foundation of everything.

How long is this school? Okay, so six months, this is the first initial, most important foundational classes. Then you go back to your department, wherever you were, like, you know, you're supposed to work. Then you work, like, you kind of, like, do the practice. Then going to, when you go to, when you're getting another rank, for example, high rank, you're supposed to come back and you would be given more subjects, more techniques.

Like, you kind of, like, have to be qualified for bigger job, for bigger, for high rank. You go back again, six months. Sometimes you can do it a year. other universities, like, for example, in Moscow, one, and in St. Petersburg, actually, yeah, where Vladimir Putin studied. So, they're particularly academies where you actually go and you study there as a college for, like, three, four years. But because I was already enrolled to the International Law University, so I was doing sort of like two universities. universities, like two educational at the same time. So studying international law at my university

and also was doing this and also after I was working. So yeah. Wow. So quite a lot of work. I mean, a lot of education as well. What point did you realize that sex may be involved? Sex? Yeah. When I was firstly raped, I was virgin, I came to the department.

I was raped. So this didn't the going through the course and talking about seduction and pleasuring a man and all this kind of stuff, you didn't realize that it didn't occur to you that sex would be involved in the job description? Okay, so about sex. So as I mentioned, my dad was really strict. So I was not allowed to go out when I was living with my family until 18 years old. I didn't even kiss any boy.

I didn't even speak with any boy. I was so shy. I thought, like, I'm so ugly and all that. So I was, I don't know, it was like ugly duckling. So 18 years old, my dad brought me to this department. Literally, in a few weeks, like two weeks, my commander colleague calls that time we didn't have cell phones. So he calls to my home phone. My dad obviously picks up, as he always did.

and it was about like 8 p.m., so it was evening. And my colleague said, oh, we have alarm. Somebody's killed. Something happened in the city, so she has to come ASAP to our department because we need her to work. And that time I already was enrolled as an intern. Okay.

So I had to come. So my dad said, like, get ready, go. So I come to my department and I see my colleague being already drunk. you know, something shady going on. He closed the door. He takes the case, and he literally starts to beat me and rape me. So this is two weeks after I was enrolled, yes, to this department.

Yet he knew, and he saw my father, who was that time high-ranking officer, bringing me to the commander, where commander, like, approves me as a future agent. he saw that, right? So he didn't care about this. He said, if you will tell your dad, you know, like your whole family will be fucked, the whole reputation will be fucked. Like, you'd rather not to tell that. Like, because, like, they will blame you because this is your fault. You see, like, the manipulation. You seduce me. This is your fault. I didn't do shit. Like, like, this is your fault. Number two, I was virgin. I told him, like, I have never done it before. Like, I can't, like, it doesn't matter. Three.

You are going to the military academy anyway. You're supposed to disattach your body from your emotions. This is part of the training. That's what they do. Your body belongs to the state. Your body belongs to the government. You, with your, like, you know, feelings and emotions, like, just it doesn't exist. The soul doesn't exist.

Wow. Okay? So all these things, and then they literally make you to become. sort of like robotic, where even now, unfortunately, but like I cannot do anything about it, still now like my body lives completely separate from my emotions. So for example, if I have an intercourse, it doesn't mean that I have any feelings towards this man. So I still can have an orgasm and all that, but, and it's all good, but like I don't have any attachment. And I cannot, you know, created because I was trained to remove these feelings and emotions from

my body. So my body was just a tool and a mission. Wow. It does make sense. And you never told your dad? I never told my dad because, I mean, what? would I tell him? He brought me there and then what? He would blame all his life that he did it to him. I mean, like he did it to me. I don't want him to blame himself, you know? I never told him

I think he kind of like understands that is something there. And you worked in Navy and you know the statistics that about 20% and this is what we know, 20% annually, um, you know, you know, 20% of female and also male are targeted for sexual abuse, and they, 20% are raped in the military. And this is the statistic, like, you know, just open chat GPTO or internet, and, like, it's clearly there. And it's only in the U.S. Imagine how, what's the percentage in Russia, like, you know, this country is like Russia or, you know, Belarusia or, like, Ukraine or wherever. like countries which don't really, where the law doesn't really work that much like in America, like probably it's like, you know, 50%. And when I came to the academy, when I saw that every single female are being sexually abused

and basically raped, all of them. All of them. Like, they basically used them as a meat. Like, so all teachers, they were male, of course. only two were females who actually taught us all these psychological and sex and seduction techniques. So the rest were males. And the thing is, in the podcast to Die for, actually, there is a CAA, former CIA agent.

He gave an interview. He actually said that, you know, they just sex trafficked their own agents for their own needs, not just for the government needs, but also for the own needs. Like, for example, these teachers mail, right? They knew that they have the power over us, so they can easily just use you for their own needs. For wherever they want. And obviously, like, you know, I was stuck there. I didn't know what to do.

I was 18 years old. I was just raped. Then I come to this academy, targeted by this. Cornel, the main teacher, and I mean, we had like the whole story and all that. So he literally like had me every any every other day and I couldn't do anything about, you know, like because like he was also manipulating me. He's like, oh, if you won't do what I say, then you would be kicked out. You would like have a very big problems. You have problem with your dad. You know, you cannot Like, you would never be able to work anywhere in Russia

because I will write the bad report that you, like, you know, did wherever, like, illegal things or something or something. So, I mean, that was cruel. And as a woman, as a female, in a military, you couldn't say no. So you're being raped throughout the entire duration of the school. And so are all the other women? Yes. Are you guys talking about this with each other?

We talked about that when we were there. And really sadly to say, but some of them, they had to participate in orgies. Like, I definitely didn't want to do it. I was like, first of all, first of all, these male teachers, they were over 50 years old. I'm not like saying that, like, 50 is like whatever. But, okay, when 50 years old man doesn't take care about himself, doesn't do gym and, like, work out, and doesn't really, and he looks gross, and he's, like, so abusive and telling you, like, aggressively,

telling you, like, you have to do this. You know, when I came to the office first time to this main teacher, the coronal, the first thing he said, do the blowjob. I'm, like, I'm thinking, I've never done it before. I have no idea how to do it. And this was, when he told me, this was part of the program.

So you have to, this is practice, like, you have to learn. Now you know how to do it, like, so I'll teach you. Was it like part of, was it like really part of the program? Or was it his own, you know, just needs for his own pleasure? Who knows? I think it was like second rather than the first because I want to, I don't want to believe that, but maybe boss, I don't know. Wow.

But I do, I mean, like, you probably have seen or heard similar stories in military in the United States. I watched that documentary, The Invisible War, and there's so many cases like that. So it's happening everywhere. It's not just in the military, but it's in any corporation, in any industry where they're like more male rather than females. It's really hard to, you know, work and if you're also, like, more or less, like, younger than them and pretty and all that. So sometimes your appearance and your beauty is a curse rather than a blessing. Yes. Because, like, look, they particularly chose those, the most pretty, the most younger's girls.

And there were like special parameters for this special program, like sex span, Ashbya, we call it right now. But the first thing, everybody has to be about like five, six feet tall. Second, they would run us through the intellectual, like, sort of like IQ test. Then psychologists, so we spoke with the psychologist. So we had to be mentally strong and prepared. What if something happens? Like, are we strong enough to be, you?

in an unpredictable, difficult, like, extreme situations. We were checked by a denicologist in order, like, to see, like, are we, like, you know, healthy. And then if you tick all the boxes, then you go to this program. What did they tell you their program was? They didn't say anything. Like, they didn't say, oh, it's a special program. They said, like, it's a special program. You will be learning special techniques, which you're not.

not allowed to share with anyone. Everything in this, you know, walls staying here. That's it. So just a few of you, a few of you, because you're chosen. They don't call you spas, you know, swallows or sparrows or, you know, like spies. They don't call that. But they say, like, this is a special, you know, subjects for you to learn. So it will be helpful for your future missions. That's it. Wow. Interesting. I do believe that, to be honest, I do believe that every single military academy or any educational center, potential, not like, but I do believe that they have that sort of programs.

You know, like, they just, they scout these future agents for this sort of mission. So they scout them through students, through students. in a good universities, or maybe somebody who already established, like, you know, there's so many examples of the sex Spanish from, like, you know, actresses and famous singers and famous beautiful women. Do you have some examples? I do have some examples which I definitely know. I cannot reveal their names because they're very public and you definitely know them.

but they work with the Russian government and at the same time they are very recognizable women in the public eye. How do you know this? Because I've seen them there. I know. I know, but I would never, you know,

I would never let down they cover. I would never do that. Because, like, you know, it's, some people ask me like, oh, why don't you say no? But like, guys, I just want to explain how does it work. It's not like you willingly want to do it. Sometimes you are put into these situations where, you know, this, let's say people, government people would tell you,

if you will not do this task, if you will not do this mission, then either your family will have some problems or your kids or your beloved ones. they may be having a car accident or they may go to jail. So you feel like I'd rather sacrifice myself than put on risk my family. So these people, which I just mentioned without names, I know they're doing this not willingly. They have to do it because of their family living in Russia.

where is your citizenship great so that's also like i have to be also very careful with what i'm saying and um it's a big risk for me also to uh well it's a few things i will explain now so my citizenship still russian thank god and thank to america and god bless america i received my green card. For about 15 years, I lived in Europe. After last Russian mission, I lived in Europe. I lived in Switzerland, Greece, Italy, France, England, in London six years. So check this out. Yes. So check this out. The moment the government, the UK government, probably find out about my background, the moment when I was invited to the Buckingham Palace where I met King Charles and Queen Elizabeth, at that time he was Prince, literally in a few months, my lawyer received a letter

stating that I have to leave the UK, like during two weeks period of time. So I was literally deported from the UK still having my residency there. So I couldn't go back to Russia because of so many reasons. The only one visa I had that time was United States. So I come to United States. I speak with many, many good lawyers, with a lot of lawyers. And they all advise me the same thing. They tell me that I should, because of United States, I should reveal my identity publicly because also that time, Ukrainian war starts straight after like COVID, right? So it was COVID, then this, you know, crazy time, everything is closed and blocked and, you know, it's a mess. Then Ukraine war. So I'm in this situation. And my lawyer said, well, you have to reveal your

identity, just, you know, not to be deported, like it was in 2010, I believe, when 10 active agents from Russia were deported, including Anna Chapman. So if you don't want to be deported, if you want to be, like, you know, legal in America, it's better for you, for your insurance, for your protection, to reveal your identity publicly. This is number one. Number two, I also had to cut tails coming from Russia because, I mean, I know it sounds like crazy maybe, but actually one Russian girl was sent to me from Moscow when Ukrainian war started and everything to convince me to go back to Russia or if I don't want to go. trying to convince me to work with them again.

Then I have received a former colleague call just before the Ukrainian war started asking the same thing, like not like asking, but like kind of like, you should consider, you know, working with the government, with the Russian government. And then it was another call from more like government sort of person with the same request. So I honestly will tell you this.

I want to leave without fear because I'm exhausted to leave for so many years hiding myself, hiding my son, moving from one country to another. I am exhausted, like physically, mentally, like morally everything. Like, I'm so done. I don't want to play all these games anymore. I want to do fashion things like I always want it and I always dream and finally I'm doing this for myself, for my son as well. So I don't want to be attached, I don't want to be connected.

I don't want to do anything with this, you know, garment stuff anymore. And I decided to go public to kind of like reveal my identity, yet Alia Rosa is not my real ID name. obviously, because of, again, the security reasons. But at least these calls and this request from Russian government, from Russian government people have stopped since I started to go public. At least I have received my freedom to live in the United States sort of like freely without like, you know, being like day and here.

I'm so done with that and I don't want to do this and I don't want to be used anymore I don't want to be manipulated anymore even though like I do have fears for my members of the family who are there and of course I have fears for my son's future yes I understand it's a big risk but they say like you choose less evil when it's like too evil so I'd rather you know reveal my identity and tell the truth here in America to American people rather than work for the Russian government and being again like this and God knows what would happen with me after. And my son, like, especially like during the Ukrainian war

and it's still on and it's super crazy and it's just such a mess. Where is your son? My son is always with me like everywhere. He's a he's a traveler like me. He's at home. Okay. I mean, he goes to the school, but he's at home. How did they contact you to try to get you to come back?

All the apps, like WhatsApp, they didn't have my American telephone, but I have a very old WhatsApp because I didn't change it. I kept the number, so what's up? Emails are changed. What do they say? Well, the main request is live here, but report us everything you see and everything you know, go to Washington, leave in Washington, or at least New York,

and try to establish this relationship with politicians, ministers, and so on. That's why I honestly stay away from Washington as further as I can. That's why I kind of like chose to be in LA because Los Angeles is entertainment, Hollywood. You know, it's all like movies, scripted, scripted fashion especially. It's all blah, blah, blah, social media, influencing and all that. So I'm trying to stay away as far as I can from politics. Yeah. Good thinking.

I mean, now what can I do? I try to do my best in this, like I balance. Let's take a quick break, and then we'll get into some of your missions. Okay. Sound good? Yeah. When your metabolism is working right, you feel it in everything. Energy, sleep, workouts, appetite.

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So we kind of went through your training, your schooling, and all that kind of stuff. And so what is it like when you actually check into the unit as a trained operative? Well, what is the unit called? So the unit, so I was in two units in Russia. So one unit precisely would be called operation. investigative investigation department. I don't know what's the similarity in the U.S. The second one, it's sort of like DEA.

Okay. So it's a drug enforcement department. Okay. Okay, yeah. So it's the first one, I don't know what's the... Probably like the FBI. Sounds like an investigative unit. It is investigation, but it was locally in the city

or sometimes in the country. but also internationally. For example, when we were working on the cases on, you know, the two countries between Afghanistan and Russia. So, for example, this was international. Or by that time when I was already working, it was Russia separated from all this post-Soviet countries. So again, it was international. But there, you know, there are so many left, like, connections with that countries and so much crime was going on between these countries. So, and then again, don't forget, it was perestroika revolution. Then after, it was the time when all this criminal world just blossomed at some point

because there were no very strong political repercussions. Right. So there were so many criminals, let's say. that time who were privatizing the Russian assets for a very small amount of money, like let's say 50 bucks for a factory or 50 bucks for a huge piece of land. And eventually, after some time

when Vladimir Putin became the president, those criminals would legalize the businesses and would become oligarchs, right? So some oligarchs would be quite friendly working with Vladimir Putin I will not get into these details because you can read the book

which was written by so many former agents including Lithuanenko and some of them would disappear forever killed or just flee the country

and hide themselves wow So how, so, sorry, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. So if you went through the training at the schoolhouse, now was the training at the schoolhouse specifically for the operative investigations unit or was it for the DEA one? Or is this, is this kind of a, they mold you and then whatever agency needs you picks you up? Yes, that's correct, yes. So it was basically, they teach you all this technique.

Okay, so you have ordinary basic instructions and subjects you study, like gun shooting, martial arts and, you know, laws. With this knowledge is you enter your department, and then you just have your mission and practice it. However, us, we received additional. education for additional missions, which were classified. So they were not really open for any agents. Like some agents would be picked up for a particular mission.

Gotcha. Yes. Gotcha. So this is just a, this is a pipeline into the federal government. So let me, so here in the U.S., for example, you go, if you're going to go to the NSA, you're going to go be trained by the NSA. If you're going to go CIA, you're going to be trained and go to the CIA schools. If you're going to go to the FBI, you're going to be trained by the FBI and go to the FBI schools.

So in Russia, it's an intelligence school, and then whatever agency needs you will pick you up. It is same as in the United States, right? However, these particular programs, which, you know, I don't know how many in Russia are they, but, like, that's what I studied. That's what particular for your department. or perhaps another department would do a particular mission and then they would require some female agents for these missions. So, for example, us as the, let's say, DA agents,

we would work together with some other agents from another department because they would provide us some security, let's say, you know, in transportation or like there would be like SWOT agents, but it doesn't call SWOT, but I'm saying, like those with whom we would work in actually going to arrest those targets. So it's kind of like mixed sort of, but we would still, so if like my commander would allocate me for another mission, I would need to go there to another department. That's actually how I moved from one department to another department because they actually required me to come. Okay, so you're actually, you are attached, okay, you're on a special unit that's just farmed out to whoever is needing you at the time. So, you know, like Putin that time in 2002, exactly the year was working there, established FSKAN. So FSKAN, it was, you can also Google it and check it online.

So FSCAN, it was a special department, sort of DA, but fighting against drug trafficking coming particular from Afghanistan, because at that time it was like a huge transportation. But then a few years later, Putin dissolved it. I don't know why, but just like basically restructured. And then this FSCAN was under the FSB, which is the... You mean in Russia, when a government agency does its job and doesn't need to do anything else, they just dissolve it and it goes away, and then the funding gets reallocated? It was existing for 10 years, approximately. I don't know why dissolve it. You see, I don't know this kind of things, but there were so many restructures since 1991.

It was KGB, right? And COVID-KGB, et cetera. Then it was renamed to WNR, which is external investigation, right? And then FSB, which is local. So then under FSB, there would be different other departments, which were particularly doing some other missions or like some other jobs or like some other cases. But if there is a big case or mission going on, they would allocate. particular agents for this mission.

It doesn't matter from what department you are, especially with females. There are not so many females agents working in the, you know, in the departments, maybe like 10%, but as a bait, you need a female. They would invite you and obviously, yeah. So I'm getting a little ahead of myself here, but so you, if, if, you. So your job is not to necessarily sleep with criminals and arrest them. It is a tool that they have taught you how to use. I think I was a bait, basically.

So let me just kind of like picture one of my missions, for example. So I come in the morning to the lineup. for the first, you know, meeting with our commander in the department. This is your first mission? No, no, not first mission, like, let's say one of the missions. So we come to the department in the morning for the lineup meeting, right? They give you a mission and they allocate particular agents for this mission. So you, you, you have this mission.

Then you go with the head of this little thing, of your team, you go and you're, you go and brainstorm the strategy. How you're supposed to infiltrate certain group of criminals or whoever, like how to spy on them, how to get informers, how to send someone there, or how to recruit them. Mostly of them, of course, were men. Obviously, using me as a bait to get closer would be the perfect ideal scenario. We would go together, let's say, with one or two, my team member, spy on the mission. So we would literally sit down and the car,

or we would be somewhere outside, not too close, so he wouldn't notice us. But we would, like, in the beginning, just see what's his inner circle, right? do pictures basically like the whole thing like the whole spying then we would gather information

about our target and then we would install what kind of information everything like how many sugar does he put into his coffee like everything from A to B

like what time does he wake up where does he go what does he whom does he meet what do they do what they talk about of course you put all the bags and everything as much as you can you try to listen to what they're talking about, like, basically everything.

How long would you do this for? Depends from the target. So the last target, for example, we were establishing the social engineering for about three months before I actually was introduced to him. Before you made an approach. Before, yes, the first approach, it was like three months of like intense work, yes. But we had to create the whole setup for him. So, for example, I mean, it sounds like a movie plot.

but it's kind of cool what secret intelligence can do actually or like anyone can do do. Do you remember the movie? Have you seen the movie The Game with Michael Douglas? No. It's an old movie.

Another movie also, which is closed, so it's easier to explain Focus with Margaret Robby and Will Smith. What's it called? Focus. I don't think I've seen that one. So, I mean, if your guys, like your audience know this movie, they will, like, understand, oh, they can go and watch this movie.

So basically, how does it work? So my target, let's say, let's go to Vladimir, Vladimir Target. So what we needed to, you know, find out about him. First of all, what are his weaknesses, what his needs, what his desires, apart from, like, being the leader of the criminal group, having power, money, and blah, blah, blah. What is his personality about? What is he seeking for?

What is his goal? You know, like what's his psychological portrait? So we would go back to his childhood when he was a teenager. You find out that he was in love, he had a relationship with his sweetheart, a girl from Uzbekistan, How were you finding this information out?

Easy. Social media? No, no, no. That time social media didn't really exist. It was 2004. So we hardly had smart... No, we didn't have smartphones. I remember I had Motorola, you know, like that little telephone.

So how you basically... It's actually really easy. You just basically find out what school did he study. And then you just pretend and that you, one of the relatives, like, trying to find him or whatever, you just, like, get information from this old-ish ladies working there, let's say, former teachers, and just, like, get information. It's quite easy.

If you go and ask people about someone, I still do that when I need to find out information about someone. I just go and speak with people. What do you think about this person? Do you know him? How do you know him? Like, did you think of any of those people? reached out to the target and said,

hey, this girl, Aaliyah, she's running around her. Well, first of all, you don't say your name. Second, it wouldn't be me. If I would, like, if I was the main bait, if I was the main, you know, face in this mission, it wouldn't be me. It actually was my colleague who, like, was young guy, oh, I lost my army friend. I don't live here.

I just want to find out where is he, what does, where does he live? like what's happening with him we like we lost each other for so many years like i you know i want to see him we like we've been through like uh you know the whole like army time blah blah blah you know and you bring like some chocolates or some cake to this old teacher from the school of course she would tell you everything let's drink tea let's speak about like that time blah blah blah so you find out that this target, Vladimir, had relationship with his sweetheart, that girl from Uzbekistan apparently, but she didn't wait for him because, as you know, in Russia, it's compulsory. Every male have to go to the army for two years from 18 years old.

So he went to the army, but she didn't wait for him. She got married. So when he came back, she already married to another guy. So he was sort of like heartbroken. So he sort of gave up on this dream to have a loving wife and potentially family with her. You know, and he kind of like became like this rough, sort of like aggressive guy who would just use women for sex and just be very, not like, you know, like sort of like alpha male, but just having this women for sex. pleasure, nothing serious, no attachment, no emotional attachment, because he was like, you know, hurt before. But somewhere deep inside, every human beings wants to believe that there is a

possibility in mutual love, that every human being wants to be loved, not because of something, but just like literally to be loved by who he is. So what we did, when we gathered on the information, very slowly, very subtly, wherever this target was, walking out from the gym, going into the restaurant or, like, walking in the street or whatever, we would place a few separate couples, one couple, young, nice-looking guy, sort of looking like Vladimir, tall, you know, it's all Russians more or less, like, you know, tall, blue eyes, good-looking, like, you know, wearing military uniform, same as, let's say, Vladimir would wear many years ago when he was in the army, together holding hand with the girl, more or less looking like his sweetheart from

the past. So they would be just like, you know, walking around, kissing each other, da-da-da. Even though Vladimir wouldn't look precisely at this couple, but peripheral vision, his backside vision would register that. So your brain register everything what's going on around you, even though you don't notice, but your brain does. So this is very subtle installation and manipulation and basically when you plant something into someone's hat. Then another day, another story, another place. Again, another couple. The guy, another guy would wore the military a uniform with another girl, but same sort of looking like his sweetheart, she would be pregnant. So they would hold hands kissing each other, blah, blah, blah, like, you know, like love is in the air.

Then again, another day, another setup, another place, there would be similar guy, but another one, wearing the uniform with another girl, but looking like his first sweetheart, they would carry, they would have, like, a courage with the little baby, with a newborn baby. And again, same story, like, love is in the ear, they kiss each other, holding hands, and, like, you know, happy family. Again, Vladimir wouldn't look at them, like, oh, like, whatever, but he still, his brain would register that. And when the time was right, when my colleague, that time, who was already on the cover,

So he pretended to be one of the drug dealers. So he would basically get the drugs from the Vladimir's criminal gang, distribute it, sort of distributed, bring the money, right? And then he would get to know Vladimir, he would establish trust with him, and he would slowly introduce him to sort of like this easygoing girls in the club. not prostitutes particular, but kind of like, oh, you know, she's a student, she's lonely, she's like, you know, this and this, and like, you know, you're such a powerful guy, maybe like you can hang out with her, like this sort of thing, you know, like love girls.

So he would introduce him to some girls, but less good looking, you know, because we would know more or less his style, like Vladimir's taste. And by that time, I already had an sort of like image of his sweetheart style. Yes, like what did she wear before? So she was wearing particularly like white socks and short skirts and like braids and all that. So when I would meet him, I would do exactly the same look appearance. So when my colleague introduced me to Vladimir, it was already like, in his brain would be like, what if she looks exactly like that, you know, girl, what if there is a possibility I may be loved by her, really, and she would stay loyal to me? What if I may have a chance with her and have a family with her?

What if? instead of just like hi my name is so-so let's go to the room you know everything has to be very subtle like a little game and you don't even understand that you are in the game but you still yeah it's it's a beautiful setup it takes time but anyone can be can be influenced can we talk about your first mission yes do you remember it yes what was it so it was one of the kind of like foreign but not so it's basically post-Soviet country

government person who had some information and so the first mission were actually, so I was sharing this in the podcast, so I had to place an envelope without him knowing who exactly placed it. He may would have some ideas or doubts or whatever, but he that time should know that it was particularly me placing the envelope. So I literally had to pretend that I was a prostitute in the bar, in the hotel, where he was staying that time and I had to seduce him

get into the room How did you seduce him? How? Mm-hmm. Should I recreate the whole scene? Mm-hmm. Oh, God. What was in the envelope?

I could not open and, okay, so it was filled, right? It was, how do you call it in English? Like, filled? Yeah, filled. Sealed. Sealed, yes.

It was something like that. So the envelopes were sealed. I couldn't open it. And yet, if I would open it and know it, I wouldn't be able to share it. You know, it's just for my own, like, security for my life. So I had to give him the envelope. The only one way how I could place it was in the private place. So obviously it has to be in his room where nobody would distract him.

Nobody would distract him or wherever. So I couldn't be, I wouldn't be able to do it, let's say, in the bar or wherever, you know, because, like, again, many people, you know, many eyes and all this. So how did I seduce him? Very simple. Because he had never seen you before, and so you're showing up undercover with the cover of a prostitute. Okay. How many women are in the bar? Not so many. you do

we all do understand when men comes to the bar with friends or alone to have a drink most likely he is open for a conversation with a beautiful female right

otherwise if you don't want to you wouldn't come right if you're tired or wherever you go sleep to your room so you obviously want some adventures two when the mission is like that, when you don't need to establish trust, when you don't need to establish love, long-term relationship, one-night stand, it's very easy to organize from a woman perspective.

Show me any man who would say no to one-night stand. Any. Nobody would say no. I mean, unless it's a very, ugly person, but we're talking about, you know, spies, agent. So they're supposed to take care about themselves and look presentable. So number three, he was there for a few days. I already knew.

I was given information that he was recently married and recently had a newborn. obviously a man who just have a little baby at home. It's a big work. You know how it is. Like those who have kids understand. So the wife is busy with the kid. You know, the little kid is crying. You know, it's not the same like it was before. So for him it was easier to just like have some sort of like adventures and relax time. for himself because he's on the business meeting but at the same time why not to have like some romantic emotions just for one night who would know no one right so that's why it's an easy target what about the other women at the bar that time you know that you're going to be the one that walks out of that bar so yeah so first of all there were not so many i think like well as much as i remember

There were a couple of women. Second, I was the most beautiful. I was the, first of all, I was that time I was already skilled. Second, obviously that time I was the youngest one. And third, I was wearing the most revealing clothes I could possibly wear. So how did you approach them? Very easy about the drink. It's like one of the common things you actually,

can approach any man if you want to meet someone you start with the from the drink what are you drinking like what would you recommend to drink here like how often do you come here like do you like this bar there's so many questions you can ask so many and you can from one oh you're not here like oh it's your first time here oh like aren't you from here like where you're traveling from like where do you live la la la and then you go on and like you start the whole conversation and then it's easy ha ha ha ha he like yeah why don't you go like and then after a couple drinks it's easy to say yes to a pretty girl. And then you always can find an excuse,

oh, I really want to go to the toilet. But like, you know, like I need to do it in private. Can I go to your room? Oh, I need to change something. Oh, like, oh, you can spill something on yourself and say like, oh, my God, my dress is dirty. Can I please, like, go and wash my dress in your room? There's so many things you can get into the room of the man

if you really need. So you get them in the room. Yes. When do you find the time? Okay, so when he was in the toilet, when he was in the shower, that's it. So the suitcase that time, I mean, now probably it would be much harder, but that time suitcases were not with the, you know, like special lockers or wherever. So it was quite easy to open it, place it. It was just like a little clickers.

open, put the envelope, you know, through all these papers, and then close it, and that's it, voila. You didn't do anything. Did you have, did you sleep with him? With him, actually, I didn't. You didn't? No. I didn't because I, it was my first mission. I was scared and I didn't want to, I just, I don't know, like, it's just like, I wasn't ready, okay?

I wasn't ready, and I just, and he was sort of like gross to me. I didn't want to. He was overweight. So I sort of manipulated him on his family. So he physically couldn't get hard, sorry to say. He maybe wanted to, but he couldn't because I constantly was talking about his wife and his kid particular. Because his kid was a newborn girl baby, baby girl. And of course he loves her.

Of course, like, it's his first experience, and when you mix together kids filling together with the sexual desire and all that, the sexual desire would be kind of like, you know, won't work that much if you wouldn't talk about kids. You know, it's sort of like bringing kids into the sexual conversation. So we had a really nice conversation, though. He was a really nice guy, you know, he even gave me some money, some cash. I made a problem. It's generally how it works with prostitution, so I'm told.

At least I didn't, you know, at least I didn't compromise my cover. So maybe when he found out this envelope, he wouldn't even think about me, I don't know. So we had a really nice conversation, though. And as much as I remember, he was really nice and kind guy. And we were constantly talking about his family and then in the end he said actually we didn't have a lot of time which was good we only had like about maybe like 40 minutes or an hour

because he had to like wake up for like meeting or whatever early and he told me like I don't have a lot of time so it was like pushing into conversation and then he said thank you so much for this conversation it was so important you know like I wanted to speak out with someone but I can't right because I couldn't tell these things to my wife or like you know to anyone, so it was so nice to speak with you. Because I was a random person,

and he would share with me all his thoughts. See, also vulnerability. What were you targeting him for? For giving this envelope. That's it. That was only my task. Dude, you don't know why? Was he a criminal?

No, no, he wasn't a criminal. It was, so I was in the academy at that time. It was my first task from my teacher. I don't know, so I don't know exactly why she sent me there. I would think she sent me there to make me fail because that time she had relationship with the coronal and it was a love triangle, sort of. It was never a love for me.

But the coronal, when he sexually raped me, and the first one who said, like, when I entered his office, he said to me, do a blowjob. He was the one who actually, over time, fall in love and protected me from me having sex with the rest of teachers and actually with the rest of the whoever, like, colleagues or whatever. So he was my shield that time

where I used him to protect me. But then things went wrong when he approached me with the engagement ring. This is while you're in school or after school? This is already after. This is after school. So the relationship with him continues. So the relationship went on, yes. So basically, I share all the story in to die for, but I'm just trying to make it short for your audience to understand.

So... We don't need to make it short. Oh, really? I mean, okay. Okay, so, but I'll try to make a short. I mean, it's 17 episodes. Like, I was talking for 20 hours. I don't think we have 20 hours here.

Okay, so... So, when he took advantage from me first, I decided that I'd rather use him as my shield because I didn't want to be used by other men in the academy because I've seen and I've heard so many stories of my classmates. So I said, like, no way I'm doing that. So I was like, okay, because he has the highest rank, because he has the highest respect and he is the boss, sort of,

I decided that I will play along and I will learn all the seduction techniques and use this deduction techniques on him in order for him to sort of like fell in love, be more interested, but also protect me. Because I knew that he... You wanted him to want you all to himself so that you didn't have to...

Correct. So he wouldn't want to share me, my body, with anyone else. So I decided to play, you know, this card. And it did work because he also had other sexual relationship with other clients, like in other students, and also with this female teacher who sent me to this first mission. And after some time, he established this trust because he told me, he loved me,

and he decided to get the worst and marry me, where it was not my plan. My plan was to have this cover of his, his name as much as I could in order not to be used by anyone else or not to be sent to a really bad mission because what happened when I said no to his marriage? I literally didn't say no, but he understood that. I wasn't really happy about that because, like, first of all, obviously, I didn't love him. Second, he was my, the first, like, you know, abuser and manipulator.

And three, he was, like, 30 years older married guy. that time. So, like, what the heck? Right? Yeah, okay, I had to play along because I didn't have any other choice, but going like this into serious relationship, imagine if I would be stuck with him for all this years. I mean, it would be terrible. So he understood I, my answer was negative. I didn't really say, like, no. What he does, what he did, he sends me to another department to his sort of friend. Just like to say before, he actually tried to pass me to his friend

in order to have a revenge. So that man, my future commander, actually was the one who was very corrupted. And knowing all this situation with Vladimir, he still did it. he sent me over there knowing that eventually he would give up my name because he actually was already working with Vladimir's colleague and army friend who was the one who was bringing he had all connections because of the Afghanistan war and all that he was fighting there

before so he had all the connections he was the one who would bring all the heroin to Russia through the Vladimir's gang and then distributed to Russia and Europe. So that commander actually wanted to rid of Vladimir because Vladimir eventually wanted to be, he wanted to legalize himself, he wanted to become a businessman, he wanted to get rid of the drug business because he had money enough, he had power enough,

so he wanted to do more like legalized business and become sort of like oligarch. Whereas my, that commander, he still wanted some black cash, some corruption, like, you know, bribery money. Not through Vladimir because he doesn't want it. So he decided to remove or like get rid of or terminate or wherever Vladimir in order to place this guy, his protégé, who was bringing drugs from Afghanistan, to his position and make him a new drug lord, the leader of the criminal gang.

So in any way, it was a setup for me. If you look through my eyes, like, onto my story, my commander didn't really care about that. Like, I would be killed, I wouldn't be killed, I would survive, or something may happen with me. It doesn't matter. Because it still was a setup, and it was a successful setup. Because eventually when Vladimir find out that I was a mole and all that, yes, he saved me. Yes, he sacrificed his life. but eventually the commander won

he placed this guy into Vladimir's position and they were continuing going on eventually after certain years I find out in the news that this commander got caught and he went to jail so eventually the justice thank God caught up with him. Yes, eventually.

But it took years. How long was it Vladimir a target of yours? About eight months. Eight months? Of the relationship, yeah. Is this who you fell in love with? You see, press. They all say I fell in love it.

You didn't follow it. Honestly, like, Sean, like I even doubt I can actually, I have ever been in love. To be honest, like, I don't know if I can actually experience this feeling to a man. Unfortunately, I don't think I can because, like, I'm looking at myself, like, over this years. I'm like, you know, this one was target. This one was target. I had to do this.

I had to do this. Like, have I ever choose any man just for myself? You know? There's always an ulterior motive. Well, now when I'm out of, I mean, like, I'm in America right now, yes, so I'm out of all these missions and whatever, I'm by myself, all these years. I don't know what is it. Maybe it's my problem with trust, maybe I have trust issues, maybe because I find, sorry,

but I find men when I meet them quite boring. I mean, like, they're really nice man, and there's so many amazing men, and I just, no, it doesn't work for me, or maybe I haven't met the right man who would be, who would understand my vision and the way I think and what I understand, because more or less, especially in America, and that's why I do understand why all this kind and quite naive tech CEO and executive in Silicon Valley are so easily targeted by female spies,

because they are just very sweet and very nice, and they are really naive. And that's true, but when you're naive at the same time, you kind of, like, for me, it's not the challenge. It's not, I want, like, brain stimulation, you know, apart from just, like, physical activities, you want to speak with the person about something, right? And when I don't have to speak about or, like, share my vision or, like, my thoughts,

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Always. Every single time. I will explain why. this is also part of the program of the training so as you know i studied in kinsie institute that's where i find out that 80% of females in the world actually do not experience orgasm with their partners during intercourse which means that they don't know their body and i have a lot of female students, they all come and they say the same. Like, I'm, I'm not happy in my marriage, like, wherever, I don't experience organs. I have to pretend. So that's what happening.

When female pretending that she has an orgasm, obviously man, if he's not that stupid or dumb, he can feel it and he can see that. He may not say or whatever, but over time that would be a problem between the couple, right? So, what we've been taught? I hope some female audience understand me, but female orgasm is a female responsibility. No man know your body or what you really like. You have to know your body yourself. You have to know what do you like, what's your erogenous, like zones, what gives you pleasure, where are you like this erogenous, like sensual spots and everything. So, and then when you study your body, you know, what do you like, you show it to your partner and you tell him, I like this, I like that, let's try this,

let's try that. So together, you have this amazing journey to experience, you know, female pleasure and hence for male pleasure, because it's the highest pleasure, because it's the highest pleasure for a man to give an organ to a woman, am I right? So in our program, obviously, when we came, view what I was virgin, I didn't have any like understanding what is sex. So we've studied, actually I give you one crazy technique, but please don't judge me. So we've studied this. One of the effective technique

for self-confidence esteem, to believe in yourself and look at yourself as you are the most beautiful for yourself, of course, like you're the most beautiful, you're the goddess, you believe in yourself, you are the best, and accept your body. Because, you know, we're all human beings. We don't like this, we don't like that. Or like, here we have over it, here we have cellulite or whatever. This is normal. But we need to program our brain only on positive, beautiful features of our bodies and face. So what do we do as a few males? Maybe it can work for men too, I don't know.

So you need to stand in front of the big mirror so you can see yourself fully. Ideally, you would need to, you know, make yourself comfortable. So maybe play some nice music, put like scented candle, maybe you should dance or wherever, maybe have a bath, you know, like just please yourself in terms of like make yourself comfortable. nobody also should disturb you and distract you.

Then, depends. You can use sex toys, you can use your fingers, whatever. It's comfortable. You start to please yourself. And the moment you bring yourself to this peak of the orgasm, you need to anchor your brain. So basically program your brain. What do you do?

You look into your mirror, and that's very important. Like, you're naked or you're not naked, doesn't it? So you basically experience the highest peak of the orgasm, right, that moment. So that moment is the most effective. You should, first of all, anchor yourself on the word. Choose one word, maybe two, but something short. For example, I'm the queen, I'm the best. Or like you can say, like, you are the best, whatever.

You can say even mango, whatever. like, choose your word and say it out loud. So your brain remembers that. Then, if you wanted to make it more effective, touch your, like, find a spot on your body and touch it. So it could be anything. For example, it could be like a little finger on your right hand. It could be like, you know, shoulder, neck like this.

Or maybe like here, whatever. Whatever you choose, find a physical anchor on your body. So this is another anchor. Plus, if you want a particular man and you want to seduce him and you know exactly that this is your, let's say, target, ideally you should place his photo on that mirror, on the wall, wherever, like so you can see him.

And when you experience an orgasm, you look at this image and better to say his word, I mean his name, this word. So you kind of like create this bridge between this image and your brain. So what will happen when you will see next time this target, your brain will automatically release endorphine, hormones and pheromones. pheromones is the, you know, the scent which everybody can create. Plus, of course, you can use a special perfume, which actually, like, KGB used to have this special indigrant in the perfume, which contains, like, some, like, grass and

all that, which actually attracts attention. So your brain instantly creates this impulses in your body. So your cheeks are blushing, your eyes are sparkling. So you're kind of like getting into the mood of pre-orgasmic mood. So your target, this guy, obviously he sees that, he noticed that. I mean, isn't it amazing? You see like a woman who's like looking at you like with this, I want you on right now here.

You know? So, but this is like for seducing a me. I mean, the target. So, but when you do it for yourself, anchoring yourself, and you do it a few times, the moment you feel anxiety, the moment you feel shy, or the moment you feel like uncertain or like in doubts, or you're stressed, you touch yourself into this anchor way you placed on your body and you tell yourself the same anchor word, I'm the best. again, same story.

The brain will create this pheromone impulses, this enderphone hormones, the happiness of hormones, this state of confidence and the state of bliss that you are the best. And you walk into the room with this, you know, random people or you walk wherever you go, like pitching for the new business or wherever, like for a date. And you have already this posture. you have already this presence, you have these vibrations, this aura, and this energy. Try it. It does work to me.

Ah, so, yes, so about orgasms, the sex, yes. So with this technique, since I learned this technique, every single time and every single my ex-sex partners I had intercourse with, I have experienced orgasms. so it's not really about the man, dear ladies, it's about your own body and awareness of your own body and knowing how to give yourself pleasure. It's not about even the size or like even techniques like the movement of the of the man, of your partner. No, it's all about your body. If you're comfortable with your body, if you know your body, you know your body, will adapt yourself towards these movements, like your, you know, the angle of your body,

the angle of your hips, or maybe positions, everybody's body is different and unique. But all of us, we have our own sensible spots in the body, so we can adjust our body towards our partner's body, and it will be much easier rather than blame you. your partner until, like, you are bad in sex. Interesting. So you're attracted to men and you can receive pleasure from men, but you have no emotional attachment to me. Mentally, I'm not attracted.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I think so. No, don't get me wrong. I really want to fall in love. I want to experience that. Wait, you don't find men attractive. I don't, so I find them attractive physically. But when I start to speak with them,

I'm bored. If it does make sense, I'm sorry. Does it make sense? Like, I've seen so much, and I've been through so much that sometimes when I hear them, I'm like, oh, my God. It's like speaking with my son, like teenager sort of thing, you know? and I try like 60 years old and I try even 70 years old, same story. It's not about the age.

Believe me, it's about experience. It's really about experience. Funny enough, just recently I was at the conference and I met, I cannot say his name obviously because he has a quite high position, but he's the one who is investigating espionage. So obviously we like have a lot of things to discuss. And funny enough, I caught myself on that. I am mentally stimulated by man, you know, finally. So I find him attractive because of his brain,

where I probably wouldn't find him attractive with his physical appearance. But in my case, again, as a former agent trained in this field, it doesn't matter how the man looks like, like to me particularly. like, I don't really care what's his physical appearance and what's the size of his whatever. Like, seriously. So it's all about, like, now, at this point, I'm all about, like, mental stimulation.

Does make sense? Makes perfect sense. Makes perfect sense. So let's go back to Vladimir. So we kind of went through how you targeted him, I believe. And so, and then we talked about your first mission where you seduced a man, it's a one-night stand and you're out. How are you, how are you main, I have a lot of questions.

How are you, have you ever worked multiple targets at the same time? Well, if it's... Have you ever had two missions or worked two different assets at the same time? No. It's always been one at a time. I mean, I don't even understand how, like if you're a double agent, maybe. Well, a double agent would be, you know, a Russian working for the Russians and also for the U.S. And at the same time, giving the information to, like, CIA, maybe. Yeah.

So basically what I'm saying is if you have two operations going on at the same time, maybe you're targeting Vladimir, who is a drug dealer, and then you have, I don't know, Benjamin over here and he's a sex trafficker. Are you ever working two different, do you see what I'm saying? Are you ever simultaneously doing it? That would be a great plot for the movie. We need to write a book about it. So no. No. Okay.

No. So it's single mission focused. Actually, that would be really hard to do. I mean, like, you would have to have a lot of, like, knowledgeable people around you, like the part, you know, your team members. And that would be really hard. In the end, with Vladimir Mission, when my colleague was killed. Hold on, we didn't.

Oh, okay, sorry. I don't even know any of this. Sorry. So with Vladimir, how long were you, how long was he a target? So for eight months. Eight months, you said. Yes. And how long?

Relationship. Okay. Like proper, loving, dating, dating relationship. Okay. So what is daily life like? Are you 100%, I mean, is he, because there's no on and off time if you're a true operative, you're with them all the time. Right, correct?

Is that how it works over there? Yes. But I pretended that I studied in the university, so when I would sort of go to my lessons, I would meet with one of my team member and pass him the whole information. So the next day, whatever it is, they would send this sort of SWAT team and arrest criminals distributing, you know, heroin. So you're able to pass on intelligence damn near every single day? Not every single day.

Like, they were not selling big quantity of heroin every single day, but like once a week, once in two weeks, there would be some activities going on. So I would hear the information from Vladimir because, yes, I would sleep with him, I would eat with him, I would even cook for him and for his brothers. That's the way they call each other. Like, you know, criminals' colleagues. They would call each other brothers.

So I would cook for brothers, basically. Like, listen, you know, who's saying what, getting into this event. Like, you know, they would go to clubs almost every day. So just hanging out with them, like picking out. up everything, like also establishing relationship with their girlfriends. They all had like, you know, females, like girlfriends or like somebody, they spent time. So also like hanging out with them, finding out like, oh, where was Alex yesterday? Like I didn't see him in the club.

Oh, he was at this like, oh, I don't know, but like I heard he was speaking on the phone about like he went there and here they were like doing something and then like this happened. So these kind of things, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So eight months So how did he get killed? And this, so this was

This is heroin coming out of Afghanistan. Is there any human trafficking? Yes. But particularly Vladimir was not, I mean, his gang was involved into this business because, of course, you know that drug and human trafficking are very connected, but Vladimir particular, he was not, so as I said, he wanted to legalize himself, so he was not the one who was giving the decisions about human trafficking, yet when I told him, when I sort of like confront him

a little bit about that, I'm like, have you like seen this? Do you know this? So, like, you know, do you know how many, like, girls were kidnapped and all this? He, I don't know, maybe he lied to me or whatever, but as much as I could read him that time, he did know. So I suppose, because it's a criminal gang, of course, there's a lot of members, and every single team of the gang would bring money for upshak. You know, Upshak, it's like money for, it's kind of like donations from each member or wherever. Like, so for example, you do the criminal activity, you get money, so you give 10% to each, let's say, member. And then you have money allocated for the sort of bank. So it's bank of the criminal gang.

It calls Obshak. So every single criminal. whatever, team, when they would do some activities, they would bring money to upshak to the bank. And sometimes they probably wouldn't tell where this money comes from, from selling drugs, guns, humans, but it's still the same.

Because again, who is covering them, the whole activity, the government. Wow. Were you ever in a situation where you thought you were compromised? Yes, in the end. In the end, where I understood that I was just a bait that my commander used me

just to get rid of Vladimir in any way. Like, it didn't really matter how he would read of him like this way and another way. It doesn't matter. I mean, it didn't matter to him. But he was the one who actually gave up my name to criminal... brothers to criminal group and Vladimir that time he did know so he found out this from his

criminal brother when they called like when he called me I didn't pick up the phone like I told you like it's you know today it's remind me a little bit this PTSD so the criminal gang were giving this information that I'm the mall from my own commander from that commander who wanted to exchange Vladimir to his protégion. As always, the driver, this sort of security driver guy of Vladimir, would wait for me downstairs to pick me up for a dinner. That was our normal routine. So we'd go home, change, do my homework from the university,

and then coming downstairs for a dinner to have, like, dinner with Vladimir, and then go and sleep with him in his house. As always, I come downstairs, but instead of only one driver, they're, like, car full of guys who called me sister, and they put the back into my hat. They, you know, beat me, like, in the car. Then we come to the forest.

Before that, when I told you, like, they took my back with the, you know, my bag with Motorola. So I couldn't receive any call. I mean, like, I couldn't pick up the phone when Vladimir was calling and everything. So the time they brought me to the forest, this commander protégé was the one who orchestrated the whole thing. Showing to criminals, look, she is the mall. Vladimir suck because he fell in love into the mall he cannot be the leader

because he's stupid because he was trapped by this bitch and I will show you how we should do revenge on these malls on these rats they would call these agents who would be undercover rats

here in English they call it mall but in Russia they call it rats so she's a rat and I will show you in front of you guys how we should do a revenge so first of all he raped me in front of everybody on this on the land on the soil

and then that was not the worst so they when they were beating me up so then I had to do some how many of them born about 10 people because it was like two cars I was in one car there was another car they bit the shit out of me

that I had to restore my bone over here. I still have a scar. That's why I'm kind of like covering it and all that. Vladimir at that time was expecting me for a dinner, as always. They didn't tell him yet. So he was calling me, and then I didn't pick up the phone. So he started to call to the driver. Then this guy who just raped me told him that, oh, she is a rat. She is a mole. So we are, you know, we're fucking killing her right now. Like literally, we are in our spot, which is the forest, who knows where, then you, they, what they do. They basically dig in the hole, put in the hole and, like, finito. And then nobody will ever find you. So Vladimir gave

him order to bring me to him because, and they didn't want to, but Vladimir said, like, I will finish her. Let me, as a leader, let me kill her because this is my responsibility. I need to do it. Eventually, they were like, okay, so he wants to finish her, all right, let's do it. So the time they brought me to Vladimir to his house, I was all bleeding, I was all fucked up. And, um, sorry, so, so difficult to remember this thing. I'm so sorry. Are you okay? Yes, it's just getting back there it's really hard like every single

so I try not to sorry I apologize it's okay so anyway Vladimir to hold my story I think he

maybe I want to kind of like romanticize him or whatever but I think that time I think that he understood where I'm coming from that everything I was doing I wasn't doing this willingly because I wanted to because I had to so I told him the whole story with the Cornell and how I entered the military academy and everything and how I ended up there so he gave me some also information he knew about his friend, the army friend, and then it's sort of like we had like all these puzzles,

we put it together, like all these, you know, little details. We put it into one big picture where we boss that time I didn't know, but we both understood that my commander just wanted to get rid of Vladimir in order to take, to put this, his protege, he's like Vladimir's to just, like, get more money. So, Vladimir created this plan, which I followed. So basically he,

that night, so he didn't kill me, obviously. He knew, I think, that he would be killed, but I think he, and I think he, and I think, told him, like, you're risking your life if you're staying here. Why don't you go with me? Because he gave

me telephone numbers with all the foreign friends in Turkey, in Greece. So that's actually how it, like, you know, these contacts, these people, his former friends helped me to move. And actually, like, relocate myself there. I ask him, why don't you go with me? I don't know. Was it love from my side? I don't know. But I ask him, why don't you want to go with me? He said that he cannot live everything he created, all these people who relied on him, all these people he have been trained and raised. You know, he would take all this, you know, under privilege, underage, underage kids, build gyms, like work out places where these homeless kids could come

and have food and roof under they had because as I said after this revolution after 1991 there were so many kids like homeless kids and they didn't have family because parents either like would

become druggish or alcoholic or die or wherever would happen all these kids were like on the streets so these kids were sort of adopted by Vladimir and he created all these gyms facilities for them where they can actually leave and after some time maybe it was his purpose also to raise an army for himself for the future

activities of his because after when you know when they would grow up till late 18 sort of like 16 they would participate into his gang who knows but at least he didn't let them to die I don't know so he said I cannot leave them like this I have to do something I have to find another leader in order to like, you know, take care about this business, take care about them. And of course, I think he wanted to revenge with this corrupted commander of mine. So that night, he placed me into the car with the driver whom he knew, but he wasn't the criminal. He was his friend from the childhood from like the school or whatever. He drove me to another city, to a safe house.

And then literally after two months. Vladimir was killed by his own. I mean, they don't say who and how and all this. Just shot. It's actually an article in Internet so people can look online and search and see it. So he's been shot and that's the end of the story. I mean, his story.

Were you sad? you know what I lost that time when I so that night when I realized that my commander set me up because of whatever money because of the money in power because of the revenge because of many things because I also said to him no when he wanted to fuck me you know it was like male ego revenge money corruption and all this together when I realized I lost, you know, like hope and belief in any kind of like romanticized feeling of the patriotism that I sacrificed myself for the country, for people to save them. And then like my job, myself being used for someone's purposes, for like just gaining

money or wherever and I'm just like a little tool which is not that important and you just like can you know through like people like that because like as I said like one of my colleague was killed during this operation and like nobody would care I lost I think I lost any belief or hope I don't know I just lost it believe or hope in men, believe or hope in humanity. No, I didn't lose the belief in human beings, of course. There's so many amazing people I met during, like, this years. As I said, like, I don't have any negativity towards men, of course, not.

But I was raised in a very, with very patriotic feelings. Like, you know, your grandfather is a huge. your father has all these medals like your father has such a name you know it's such a it's amazing feeling when you go and sometimes it's difficult to dangerous missions but you feel like your job is so important even though it's hidden for public but your job is so important because this allow civilians like normal people sleep peacefully in the warm bats at night while you are in this during this night in a freezing cold air like doing something or like you know doing your job and you like you know what I'm saying and even though it's like really

hard and you haven't eaten you haven't slept you exhausted physically but the only one hope which actually keeps you, like, focused and keeps you like this, you know, like, positive. It's because you know that... You believe in the mission. You believe in the mission. You believe that you saving someone's life. It's the only one big belief. And this was betrayed by my own commanders, by my own government.

Like, how could I live with that? It's life, I guess. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, under completely different circumstances, there's a lot of veterans and former intelligence personnel that feel the exact same way about this country. I can understand.

can understand. You did feel an emotional attachment to Philadamara, didn't you? I felt that, you know, I, one of my dreams actually is very connected to his, and I think he inspired me to do that. I see exactly myself in five years where I want to see myself, where I'm, you know, I work for that where like I see myself in 10 years and 20 years and I see myself when I will be like before I will be that where I want to see myself. And I want to see myself ideally in the island with a big, big house where orphanage, orphan kids from all around the world, would live there and be raised

there as a family, disregarding to the fact what nationality they are, what race they are, what background they are, educate them and raise them as a sisterhood and brotherhood, and just give them this chance and possibility of having the roof and family and I think this dream was inspired by Vladimir because that's exactly what he was doing maybe I had attachment with him I don't know maybe

maybe that's why I cannot you know have an other relationship to anybody else? Maybe. But look, from another hand, it's such a beautiful sacrifaction, right, of man.

He sacrificed his life for a female he loved. Beautiful. Very noble. Even though he was a criminal. But still, it's a beautiful action for a woman, for a love. I appreciate that and I really respect.

And I think that And one of the reasons why I share the story is because to bring this awardness also that this man exists, you know, that man can do such noble things for women if they really care about women and they love them. You know, so it's something really beautiful can happen if you really love someone. How often do you think about him? about him only when somebody ask me I don't really think about him in a normal routine I'm constantly so busy and my brain is always occupied with so many projects and things so I one of the technique also not to go to the past because it can ruin you completely and I so I learn also there is another technique so I learn how to block your

past. So you don't, you know, the worst thing when you compare what if? What if he wouldn't be that and we would meet each other in Greece and happily live and have three kids and blah, blah, blah. What actually brings you nothing? You're just basically deprotizing yourself and it's a virtual world which doesn't exist, right? You need to focus on the present moment and I always do this technique. maybe you heard that when I go to this negative thoughts what if or my past or like you know I got a little bit emotional because maybe it's a really like a few times in my life when I went back to that moment when I was raped and beaten up almost to death I don't allow myself to remember that because if I would I would never get

over that dark emotions. And then this can lead me to a really bad thing. Like, for example, I don't drink alcohol. I choose not to because in the past, if I would drink, my brain slowly, but my shield, my guard would drop, and I would remember that memories and that experience, and I would go into darkness as I don't consume any drugs because it can also bring me the same problem, you know? So I self-regulate myself and I self-control myself because I choose

healthy lifestyle. I choose to achieve my goals rather than memorizing and remembering that past. That past made me who I am today and I choose to be strong, right? and move on rather than to live in the past. And I strongly advise people not to live in the past and remembering the past, but move on because the life is beautiful. There's so many amazing things in the world. You can do so many great things for others,

for human progress, for our planet, for our home. It's amazing. You know, the thing is, is that it does keep coming up for you. It does keep coming back? It keeps coming back. It keeps coming back when you drink. It keeps coming back.

So that's why I don't drink. So it's coming back right now. So what I want to ask you is, would you rather, would you rather process it and come to an understanding and move past it or keep blocking it? Okay, great question. Thank you so much. I feel like I'm with my therapist now. So I work with therapist for 17 years.

for 17 years, right? As I said. I don't know. I don't know because if I, okay, I will be honest, I don't think I'm powerful enough to process that, really. I think it will, you know, it will really destroy me. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather keep it over there for now because at the moment, I still do not feel stable. You know, I, due to certain circumstances in my life, I still don't feel like, okay, I am safe. I'm like, I have my security, I don't feel it yet. I am working on that right now.

I want to achieve it. Once I will do it, maybe it would be enough power, enough energy to go back and process that. But right now, I'm in a kind of like vulnerable position right now, still being here in the U.S. for like five years, I'm still in a very vulnerable situation. I don't want to go there so dark and work on it. I have not, you know, I don't have power enough to do this. Have you ever heard of psychedelic therapy? I've heard, and again, I am scared to do this. Like, you know, especially in Los Angeles,

all about like, ayahuasca and like this, like, ketamine therapy, right? I am scared. I'm scared to do that. I'm scared that I will not come back, you know, mentally. I've done it. Did it help? I don't know, Sean. Like, I'm scared.

See, the thing with it is, I talk a lot of, lot about that on this show. And, you know, most, the majority of the people that I talk about it with are former special ops guys that have done just horrific stuff. And, you know, the general consensus is that it's very healing. And, you know, for me too, I mean, when I did, I came off, booze, I'll be almost four years since I've had a drink this February. Thank you. Big achievement. You too.

I don't know that. It's hard. It's very hard. Actually, it was easy for me. I did psychedelics and it was done. No, it's hard for me. Sometimes I just want to... But what I'm saying is it'll throw you back in those situations, but you're able to, you're able to observe it from a different perspective where you're not necessarily emotionally attached and you process it. Do you think that I block this memories? Yeah.

So, do you think, like, if I would go back and process it, would actually give me sort of, like, reveal? Yeah? Only maybe with the specialist. I think you would be able to think about it and move past it from an unemotional. Like, this happened to me. It doesn't define who I am. And it's okay. Well, I almost came to the state that it's okay.

Like I'm grateful to my experience, if not this, I wouldn't be sitting here, right? So I'm grateful and I'm blessed. But maybe with the right specialist, as I said, I have a trust issue, obviously. So even with a therapist, I'm very careful about what I'm I'm saying, or whatever, because of, you never know. So obviously, like, when you are in such a vulnerable state, I understand psychedelics. You need to really have people who you trust 100%. Unfortunately, I cannot say that right now in my life I have these people.

Maybe because it's my problem. Okay, I trust my son, 100%. I do trust some of my friends, so people I work with. But to do psychedelic with them therapy, no. Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense. I'm just planting a seed and maybe you'll look into it. And if you do and you need some contacts, let me know.

Okay. But, you know, so, you know, going back to Vladimir, I mean, I think it's very obvious that you had some sort of connection, feelings for him. I'm just curious if you did have the opportunity to talk to him again, what would you tell him? Ah, if I would speak with him. I would tell him, thank you. Of course. Thank you for giving me a chance to live this life and being here right now in front of you. Just beg, big, thank you from the bottom of my heart. That's it. I mean, I would... I would... I would, of course, apologize.

But I did apologize that night. I think he understood that. Sometimes we are in these life circumstances that you don't need to even say that you apologize because people know that you are. It's different. But being grateful, 100%. Let's take a break. Okay.

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Who's pulling the strings? Who's pulling them? You know, some people say that, oh, so here, like, you know, basically the story about her being a spy, it's a cover to cover her real identity. She's still spy. because she goes to all this like here, she goes there, she has this life, so she's definitely a spy.

I'm like, oh, my God, these people. Well, everybody thinks I'm a spy too. Really? They do? Yeah. They all, they don't all think that, but a lot of people think that. Okay, so this is kind of normal when you speak about this kind of thing, so people think you are a spy? so in America it's kind of normal because I will explain I don't know like you can totally

record that so what I was surprised when I moved to America you see I lived in Europe for 15 years right when I told some people about my just like my very close people so for example I was dating Lord a British Lord who was very close to real family so I told him like about you know my past we still have a really good friendship and all that he's he's told me, sweetheart, please do not share this to anyone in this country. Like, just don't. I'm like, okay, so I didn't. I come here and it was sort of like a necessary thing to do. But when I shared that, what I didn't expect that press will go viral. Like, viral. as it became viral, like, different other countries,

including even India or, like, you know, Asia, Greece, and all, like, Slovakia, Slovenia, Australia, like, I mean, like, they all were writing about, like, so it's ongoing press, like, the New York Post, it was the recent one. But before that, it was much bigger mainstream. So my team did an estimation. it was over 500 million viewers on just like some articles, which is crazy. So, but everything came from America.

So American press presented me. So I kind of like told them what I did. But in my perspective, this is operative work, what I was doing. I would never call it like spy work. Yet we did spy on our targets. you know, when we had to gather information, you know, we need to do research, blah, blah, but yes. So the press calls like, oh, she is a sex spy and all this, and it went just viral. And I was like, wow, I was even like, oh, my God, like, this is crazy.

So I think, especially in America, because of the Cold War situation, and because I'm coming from USSR, it's just like became so big and so viral just because of like, you know, people ask these questions like, okay, so if you're a spy, it must be like in the movie Red Sparrow. So you must seduce this American ministers, politicians, ambassadors. You know, like, so this is the belief. I'm like, oh my God. So this, the imagination is crazy, especially in America. Oh, yeah. Americans are notorious for over-sensationalizing news stories and over-embellishing pretty much everything, so. But conspiracy theories. With some of them, I cannot disagree. I agree. But the whole, like, spy thing, I mean, yes, of course, it does exist. But only in this country, it's just so much.

interest. Everybody thinks I'm still a spy. Actually, I was never a spy. I was a, but anyways. Have you have a spy on someone, like on your targets, like to get some information? Yeah, okay. I guess I was a spy. So see that's, so if you were doing that, even for one target, they call you spy. Yet, like, in Russia, they would never call each other, hey, spy, come here. Like, hey, spy, you have to call to the mission. We don't, yeah, it doesn't happen here. Right? They don't do it in the military. They call you, like, according to your rank or according to your job status, like, for example, operative, blah, blah, blah, your mission and so-and-so. Or, like, they would say, agent, so-and-so.

Right? What do they accuse you of being a spy for? What's your current mission? Are you talking about press or are we talking about people? Or what do we talk to? I don't know. I just noticed that... I see it in the comments.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In America, people still think that I am a spy. So I came to this country in order to spy for Russians. I'm like, people, please try to hear me out. Please, I'm sitting here in front of Sean Ryan. And actually giving my whole story away, like telling the whole thing about myself. If I would be a spy, an active spy, would I want to do that? I mean, what for it?

It's so weird to think like that. See, they're going to say that that's the cover. Yeah, exactly. That's what they say. This is the cover. She was told to say that. They're probably fucking spying together. Now there'll be a whole narrative out there crafted that we're a team. I don't know if we're working for Russia or the U.S.

I don't know. But what they're going to come. So, a Russian spy. and American Spy go together at the podcast. And do a podcast. Oh, my God. It's hilarious, but yes. And then there'll be the other people that'll be like,

see, they have to tell you what they're going to do before they do it. This is what, this is, this is, this is, this is welcome to the internet. But, uh, anyways, we know, we talk about this shit all the time. All the time. Okay. But I am curious, I have a question. If I was fine. Okay.

Have you ever worked in Silicon Valley? Oh my God. Yes. No shit. Sorry. Yes, I did. Okay, so. And then, God, this is like a short, and then the garment, she just...

Here it is. She just, yeah, she just said yes. Okay, so I was actually invited to Silicon Valley, San Diego-based company, a very big company, to actually give a public speaking in front of CEOs and executives to talk about spy techniques, how to prevent manipulation, how to spotlight, how to read people, and how to increase sales using spy techniques. Nice. So, yes. Actually, I was invited by ABC and Hulu.

They want to do the same. They want to kind of like film me giving a lecture about how to prevent manipulation for executives in Silicon Valley using the spy techniques from female spies, just funny. That's a real problem over there. Why? Oh, you mean like because of the... That is a big problem, especially with the AI race going on with China right now. That is a big fucking problem.

Yeah. So what do you tell them? How do they, what do you tell them? What are they looking out for? How do you avoid espionage in Silicon Valley? As you said, like we just discussed that. So number one, be very cautious, be aware of this sort of potential fake female account. when they love bombing you.

Love bombing? How, like, yeah, like, how did they find you? Why do they text you? Okay, we know what they want. Oh, like, I just want to meet you, I think you're cute. How you, like, possibly can see in this little picture, like, how the person looks like, right? Most of, like, accounts are private, especially in LinkedIn.

They're not so many pictures. This Silicon Valley Tech executives, they definitely don't have Instagrams, probably not even Facebooks. So as Jane... Here's a good rule to live by. This is just a good rule for everybody to live by. If you've never had a 10 come up to you, I want to fuck you. And all of a sudden they're coming around, it's probably because they want your money or your tech.

Yeah. Or like, you didn't turn into a 10 overnight. So... Yes, especially when you're... Just be honest. with yourself. Yeah, but it's really hard for people, especially for men, to be honest. Like, really. I spoke with one person who is in Silicon Valley and CEO of a very big company cannot say his name and the company name because it's quite big. So he knows who I am.

We spoke, we know each other through friends, and he goes, you know what? So I'm saying, sitting in a in a restaurant like for the lunch break and this beautiful gorgeous Slovakian-looking hot girl comes and she's like you know pampering me with compliments and like blah blah blah and all this and she wanted me to go with her to have sex like straight away He told me, I didn't know. He said, like, I was wise enough. I understood that she probably was a spy. So I'm so good.

I didn't go with her, even though it was so hard to resist. Do you think she was a spy? I'm like, oh, my God, dude. And then another comments, also from Silicon Valley, guys, also quite big, you know, corporations, big status, executives and all that. They said, so what? At least I will be fucked by gorgeous girl. Why not?

Wow. I'm telling you, that it's crazy, but that's what that's, you know, comments I receive. Wow. Yeah. How many, I am curious, I mean, how many, is this common knowledge in Silicon Valley? Does everybody know? I think now it is because of the Times article, but before I don't think so. You know how many actually Slovakian women go there to target potential future husbands?

Like, it's unbelievable. I know the story. Hundreds of thousands. Yeah, I know a lot of stories, actually. I don't even... Do you remember, like, 10, 20 years ago, it was very popular these websites, dating websites. They would call it like Russian wife or like bring Russian wife or like Russian date or whatever. So...

Mail order brides. Right. So this American Silicon Valley based man would go online to find Russian or wherever, like Slovakian-looking woman, speak with them online. Before seeing them, make for them bright visa so they could come from Russia or Ukraine or whatever countries to America to meet with them for like, I think the visa was for six months. And they did. decide if they want to marry them, like this woman, then she would stay under the marriage visa, like the, you know, green card marriage residency, or she would go back home. But most likely, of course, this woman would do everything, everything to show like the best behavior, obviously, in every possible way, so this man would end up marrying them. And surprisingly, I know a lot of females having this situation. So they would particular target American men from California, from Silicon Valley,

in order to move to America, get married, have kids with them. And then, who knows, maybe still deliver some information to the government. And I spoke with one of them. And you know what she said? we spoke about this and there was like some sort of like conflicts between different women one woman would say

how can you actually create a family and raise kids with your target another one would say yes but if you do that for the government like why would you do it for government right but she another one said like what imagine the situation what if

your parents in Ukraine or Russia, Belarusia, whatever, what if they are threatened or they would be put on risk if you would reject this task from the government? So... How many spies do you think are over there? A lot. How many countries? How many countries, like from different...

definitely. Okay, so I spoke with one person I mentioned before, mostly China, because Chinese are particular targeting the IP intellectual intellectual property from the American companies, corporative companies, Russians, not so much Musat, British, they said that's not in a good shape right now. Sorry, but it is what it is. I mean, I spoke with the pro. That's a very classified information, but it's actually truth. So, you see, the point is that the Chinese secret intelligence and Russian,

they don't really have human rights low as high as in America. So for them using humans, it's quite common and normal. Okay? And besides, I don't have that much money to use technology. So it's easier to use humans. Are you still in contact with any of your family? Yes. Of course.

Your father? Yes. How do you think? We speak. We speak time. I mean, like, not every day, of course. But we speak like once a week. for two weeks, just to check on them.

We cannot speak anything about the war, political situation, anything like that. We usually speak about, like, you know, about the house, how do they feel and, you know, what's going on in their life? And I just speak about my job and that's it. Have you and your dad ever had a conversation about your previous career? Yes. And you know what my dad said. like two years ago he said maybe you should come back to Russia and you know reinstall yourself

in the in the military and continue working so at that point I understood that I love my dad I love my family of course but it's he doesn't get it you know how like it's just he doesn't understand, he doesn't see what I see, and it's impossible to teach him or trying to explain him, because I did try to explain when the war started. But it went to the argument. So my mom said, please don't speak with him about this stuff. Just like, just don't. Wow. When I actually, he doesn't know the whole story about Vladimir, but when I actually like, moved out from Russia, even though, like, I was still in Russia, he actually stopped talking to me because I, what I said to him, the way I presented it, I said, I quit and I left. So my dad

didn't speak with me over a year because I betrayed his plans and his goals on my future and sort of the family. I kind of like let him down, if you understand what I mean, because he was portraying me and believing that I would be, you know, having this like high rank and maybe like, you know, he would be proud of me and all that. I went to a completely different path. I don't understand if he, I mean, I think he doesn't understand that and he doesn't approve that

but at the moment it is what it is of course you would want to have for me different future man that is fucking tough I mean how would you how would you go back to Russia in work an intelligence unit anyways I mean you've abandoned

I could if I wouldn't go public like I'm doing right now. I definitely could. If you didn't go public, but you are public. Well, that's why I decided to go public because I'm like, I'm so done. I don't want anyone contact me. I don't want anyone to be sent.

I don't want to be attached. Oh, this conversation with your dad was before you went public. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So now when I'm like public and all this, so the good thing they don't have social media,

because it's banned in Russia. Like, you know, Spotify is banned. WhatsApp is banned. Every single platform are banned in Russia. Sometimes they don't have internet. Some days, they don't, like, they literally don't have internet. So they cannot really go and see. The only one platform they can check is my Instagram.

But my Instagram is all about fashion. so when I moved to London at 30 I finally was like okay so finally I can do something for myself and my dream was to work in fashion so I was enrolled into a top fashion university's the Institute of Morangoni in London I got my master degree and I started to work in fashion and I was super happy because I was working for a really big publishing house like Condonast in the UK for Walk and Tatler and Vanity Fair magazine. So for me, it was very, like, you know, big and prestigious. So I created my fashion blog in Instagram.

So everything is about fashion. So I go to Fashion Weeks, Milan, Paris, I promote fashion brands, I get paid. So Instagram is my, you know, my revenue, but as a fashion blogger. So I became an influencer in fashion. much earlier than I revealed my identity being a secret agent. And sometimes people, they don't understand because they don't scroll down the Instagram to, like, you know, to my past. And they say, oh, she revealed her story about being spy

because she just wanted to become an influencer. I'm like, where is the logic here? Like, why don't you just scroll down to my Instagram? Why don't you see that? I got one million followers much earlier. that I revealed my identity being a spy, you know? And it was like I was living in Europe mostly of the time. So my dad and my family, they don't really,

and besides, they don't speak English. So they don't really understand this kind of things. They just see my Instagram, oh, like, she's wearing this nice dress. She's on the red carpet here. She's on the red carpet like in Cannes and Venice or whatever. So, okay, you know? That's it. So what's going on like with the sports?

Spotify and, you know, YouTube, they don't have access. Gotcha. Yeah. Thank God. Well, your fashion career has gone. How long have you been in fashion? Ten years. Ten years?

Yeah, I'm 40 now, so I've been there 10 years. I started from 13. You're in everything. I mean, I'll probably misspeak here, but when I went through, I mean, it's like Vogue, glamour, vanity, like everything. Thank you. You're in everything. Thank you.

It's impressive. I love fashion. I was born in Soviet Union. There was no fashion at all. So I was, you know, stitching and tailoring clothes for dolls and then for myself and then for my friends. So fashion, I always like love fashion. I wanted to kind of like have my own style and all that. So if you really like, you know, implement yourself and all that, of course you can achieve everything you want as long as you work hard on that and, you know, you. you're moving on. So that's what I'm doing, and I'm, you know, I'm very happy that my son just recently signed a deal with the top four model agencies in the world. Congratulations. He has, thank you. He has really good physics, parameters.

The only one thing I need to manage him, because you know how fashion industries, it's, you know, entertainment and all that, so he has to be very careful. So I would be the one who would guide him, introduce him to designers, be there as his manager, and just help him to go through. So, yeah, I'm very excited about that. Right on. Congratulations. Thanks.

Do you use your seduction techniques to get what you want today? Always. Today? Today? No. Today, I mean, like, first of all, you're a married guy. Well, I don't mean to me. I just mean in anything.

Do you want to audience? Hi, audience. Do you like me? Any, any, I mean, to advance your fashion career, to get anything. thing that you want? I mean, do you use those techniques? In my normal life, yes. And I would say this is my DNA, always. But in a good way, you see, you can use spy techniques for good. Like, for example, you want to motivate or inspire your colleagues. That's why, congratulations, your top one podcast in YouTube and in Spotify.

Why? Because you inspire your team, you bring them together, you motivate them. Because alone, we can't do all this job. We need like right, good team next to us doing, you know, this mission together. Like, you know, like in the military. You cannot do the mission by yourself. You have to have the right team with you, right? So how to motivate people, how to inspire them, giving great compliments.

programming them as well through anchors but in the right way or for example a wife can inspire and motivate and program her husband in order to kind of like push him a little bit to be more successful to have a desire to make more money to do something to kind of like create more things you know so spy techniques can be used for good also spy techniques can be used for spotting the lie? What if you receive all this offers from potential business partnerships, but they actually trying to lie to you, take an advantage from you? What if you can actually it's not just like gut feeling, but it's also understanding the body language, the eye contact, like analyze their words, right? Observe their behavior, their character, like what they say,

how they say. It's a lot of little details. But what if you can understand that and learn how to do all this in order to protect yourself from giving away something in the business which is not beneficial for you? So same in the relationship, right? Like we just discussed, like what if men would understand that this woman potential gold digger,

this woman is potential spy, you know, trying to get something out of you, or like they look into your wallet rather than you and how to maybe, not like even maybe, but how to place the right boundaries. Because we all treat people according to the way how they present themselves.

If you present yourself as a weak man, as dependent and emotional and kind of like, yeah, like, you know, weak, most likely there would be a woman who would come and try to abuse you in order to get something out of you, right? So you need to place your boundaries first. You need to have and raise your self-esteem,

your self-confidence, and that when you are confident, most likely nobody will be able to manipulate you or use you or take something from you. We're talking about, like, healthy partnership, but healthy partnership starts from yourself, right? So spy techniques can use for good, and that's what I teach to people, and that's what I'm, you know, writing in the book, and I want to share this to people where spy techniques can use for the dark psychology, for the manipulation as well. But that's my responsibility not to share this techniques to public, to audience, so they won't use it on each other. How do you tell if somebody's lying?

Many things. Now, you know what? Now I went to the kind of like maybe special skill. I noticed. It wasn't like this before. Before I would like, you know, analyze according to the theory. Now I can actually, without even body language or like, you know, the whole presentation, I can smell.

the lie, which is so funny. But I think it's over time, practice, and wisdom. So, number one, for just people to understand. Number one, how to spot the lie. When somebody tries to push whatever they want, and they try to push you in a way that, hurry up, hurry up, like, we need to do it now. Like, today is the day. Like, now is the time. We need to do it now. Let's do now. Come on, come on. Like, when somebody is rushing you like this and another person, for example, would distract you with talks or other, like, activities or whatever, this is a big rat flag. So you need to, like, guys, give me some time, let me think. This is really important to remember.

So never take, make any decisions when you are in this, like, rush situation. Second, the lie. Yeah, of course, body language, but we all know that, right? So, like, people say, well, I wouldn't say that this is actually work. Like, when people look like, you know, up left or up right, usually, like, left, they're saying, like, this is, it doesn't work like that because... That could be a confidence problem. Yeah, or sometimes we remember something.

Sometimes we think about something, or sometimes, like, I can, like, go like this and, like, thinking, like, you know, looking at your beautiful picture over there. For example, like, you know, like, there could be so many thoughts. Like, I wouldn't stress particular on the eye position, but body language, yes. So when somebody's hiding something, they usually hide themselves, right? Usually, like, women, usually women. They sit either like this, like, you know, it's a very close position or they put the back on their knees, also like closing position.

or again, like when you're covering your mouse or like you're covering your eyes or like you kind of, so you try to whatever you say, but you, you know, distract the... You're looking for something to do. Yeah, like at the same time, like you're kind of like hiding something. You feel it, right? So check the whole posture.

Like, how is it? some very skilled liars they would take care but they would control the body language of course so you wouldn't even notice on the body language but then it's so important to understand what they're like asking from you obviously if a random person comes to you

with an offer and pushing you or placing you in the situation you cannot say no that's definitely a manipulation and you should like just withdraw yourself and just get out from this and take time to think. And also, like, important thing, you know, check the person, of course, like, check the

social media, check, like, you know, people, ask people if they know this person, if he's legit, if he's not legit, what has he done, who does he know him, like, what kind of, like, you know, relationship he has. It could be about women and men, doesn't matter. You need to check, you know. Now we live in the internet world where you can check everything about anyone. There is a great website. I checked one person recently.

You just pay a couple bucks and it gives you the whole thing, especially in America, which is like fascinating. You get like the address, you know, partners, marriages and all that. Why not? So check people before you are getting yourself into some situations where you will regret after. Would you say be aware of people that don't give you the opportunity to talk?

Fast talkers, overabundance of talking is an avoidance of questioning. Yeah. Destruction. They destruct you with their talk. So you're kind of like you lost. So you cannot even hear your thought process because you're like distracted with their conversation.

This was a fascinating conversation. Thank you. What should we cover? Or is this the end? I don't know. You tell me. We went from, like, crying to laugh. I think we covered it.

I'd love to get you back. You're going to come back. Yeah, after I will do psychedelic therapy. And then after like, okay, now I am connected with my Zen and I'm ready. I'm ready to go through that again and like, you know, tell you the whole thing. I hope you look into it. I mean... They could do a lot of good for you.

Maybe next year. So this year, almost gone. Next year, when the book will be out, hopefully I'll get like, I will be sort out with my citizenship and everything. And then we'll see. I mean, maybe, yes, maybe I'll have the power enough. But again, like, it's all about like the time also, the right time. You see, like when you travel, when you're committed to so many projects,

you just simply don't have time to yourself. And that's also important. I need to have time for myself, and I'm so happy this Christmas break is coming because everybody will be busy or with family, so I can finally sleep, and I can finally rest. Finally, I can sleep in my bed for at least eight hours. Nice.

Yeah, this is my dream. Last question. If you could recommend three guests for this podcast, who would they be? Three guests. You know what? So I listen a lot of your episodes and I scroll down the whole YouTube. It's amazing, very interesting topics and all that. I actually really fascinated.

I won't go to this, you know, conversations, but it doesn't matter. But like some of the guests, they were just amazing, like, wow, and very inspiring. But I notice that there are not so many female guests, you know, So I think if you would bring more female guests, especially therapists, so for example, you talk about mental healing and PTSD, maybe it would be great to bring somebody like expert or therapist on that, but female from female perspective. Okay. I would also invite a relationship female coach. So for example, or like I'm happy to talk about what women want from men. on the first date or like in terms of like long relationship because it's such a like men obviously have completely different psychology from women women also have different psychology

from men but like when women more kind of like educated in this way because women want to women have a precise time limit men they don't so it's very important for female to have everything during like a specific time zone like you know marrying kids raising kids you know also making career and all that so it's very limited time what do women want from men I'll ask you okay good question um women want from man only one thing Women want stability. That's it. Stability.

That's it, guys. It's wherever you would hear, oh, she wants this size, or she wants that size of a wallet, rubbish. They want stability. I can tell you this, and as a woman, and I work with women. Even if a guy doesn't make that much revenue yet, but he is stable, meaning that he is self-regulated, he is self-discipline, he committed to his work, he committed to his project, he committed to their relationships. So he doesn't lie,

he doesn't cheat on, not just like physical cheating, but like cheating, like lying, oh, like maybe this is water, maybe this is wine, maybe this is black, maybe this is white, like, you know, like this kind of like, because this is not stability. When, this is, women spot that man is lying somewhere, the trust is gone. And then women think, like, how can I actually have kids with this man if he lies to me in these small things? And then, like, after, like, having kids, like, what if he will leave me? What if, like, he'll just let me down in something or whatever, right? So women seeking for stability. Even though, as I said, the guy is not, like, maybe successful yet, but he's very committed.

to everything he does. And he says, tomorrow, I will do this and he does it. Like, I go to gym, let's say, every day for one hour and he does it, whatever. But he is committed to everything he's doing, then a woman has this understanding that, okay, I can trust him. He's stable. Because during the time, I can see that he didn't mess up in anything. So I can trust this guy. So I am okay to go ahead with him and build life together. So stability. But of course, they're like small, not like small details, but they're like other details. Like, of course, women are looking for attention.

Physical attention, compliments, moral attention and support, of course. Otherwise, you know, I strongly believe, and that's what I say to my students, as I said, women, they have limit with time. And for a woman, it's very important to choose the target wisely. Sorry. I just, okay, let's call a potential partner, the right partner, a target. So if a woman goes into relationship, with a cute guy and she just likes him, but he's unstable and he mess up, like, in different things, but she forgives him and she goes ahead. It may be, like, you know, a lot of time, like years sometimes, and she's still, you know, waiting for something. Most likely this guy will never offer you and propose you, and most likely this guy would never be committed to you because he's like, he doesn't even know what does he want.

So why would you waste your precious time on this person because we cannot change people unless they want to change themselves? So if you think that you will change man, this is not going to happen. So instead, why don't you choose the right man who is also willing to work with you on building something together? But the thing is, it's very difficult, of course it's hard to find the right target. But it's possible Because in the beginning

Also you need to have your boundaries And you need to tell the man What are you looking for As like he needs also to tell you what does he want Because like you may be like you know Playing these games But in fact like he just wants to have easy simple sex And you want to build a family with him and have kids

Like you are in like in different you know Dimensions Exactly. So, of course, it's not going to work. And you'll just waste your time and then what would happen? You will have a broken heart, PTSD, you lose time and energy and you use. How many examples of like the stories do we have? Do we know? Millions. So that's why women need to know what do they want and they need to stay in the beginning of relationship. What do they want? In a nice way, of course, not like, okay. I want this, this, this. But you know, the funny thing is I have one of my students who actually, so at that time, she was 38 years old, working in the bank, beautiful girl. And she was like, you know what, I want to, I've done my career, blah, blah, blah.

I have like income, good stable income. I have some savings. So I want to have family. I want to have kids. I want the right man. And what she did, she just basically went online. and every single evening she would meet with new man, but she would state, dude, I want to get married.

I'm 38 years old. I'm planning, da, da, da, da, da, da. And a little bit about herself. I'm so and so and so. So even in dating website, like, sort of like Tinder or wherever, but she was able to find the right guy for herself, and now they're happily married with two kids. And it's been already like, what, over six years?

So it's possible, but you need to know what do you want? Good advice. Well, I hope it helps. Great advice. Well, Aaliyah, I just want to say thank you for coming. I'd love to get you back here. Thank you, Sean. Fascinating conversation.

Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it. My pleasure. Best of love. Thank you. No matter where you're watching Sean Ryan's show from, if you get anything out of this, please like, comment, subscribe, and most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, please leave us review on Apple and Spotify podcasts.