Shawn Ryan Show - #3 Don Bradley - A.K.A. Headshot Don

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

In this episode Shawn Ryan sits down with Don Bradley A.K.A. Head Shot Don who is a former Green Beret and a former CIA Contractor who has over 20 combat deployments with the CIA alone. Don has a sev...ere TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) and his symptoms can hit unexpectedly so we go right into the meat of this one with absolutely 0 fluff. He is an operator who has seen more combat than most can imagine but consistently displayed the upmost self restraint while under attack and extreme duress which is extremely hard to do. We go into detail into 3 separate incidences one of which actually happens right here in The United States in Monroe County, Georgia where his destiny unfortunately falls in the hands of the court system. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website - https://www.shawnryanshow.com Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnryanshow Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shawnryan762 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:38 The car was on fire, flames were coming through the windows. What was the conversation like in the car? So the first thought was, okay, how are we gonna get out of here? So I clicked the button and said, we're hit. We're on fire, you need to get the fuck out now. How many operators are on the ground? Me and my partner who had unassed the vehicle
Starting point is 00:01:58 unexpectedly was looking everywhere for my rifle, which I could not find. You didn't have your rifle, but this, so this dude's head, so he looked into his eyes again for a second time. I needed back up, I called you. We were cleared hot just to go in there and smoke his ass and let you out of there. I mean, he was, he was pissed. I mean, I kicked the shit out of him right in front of all his bucking buddies. He was, he was pissed. I mean, I kicked the shit out of him right in front of all his fucking buddies.
Starting point is 00:02:24 Before he showed up, his whole face just sitting on the ground. Got to gory but great picture of the dude's last moment on Earth. He said, yes, ma'am, but he's not here. He said, the hospital. I screamed, he said, the hospital. He said, yes, ma'am, he's been shot in the head. I already know the answer to this, but you at the hospital. You said you'd finally been shot in the head. I already know the answer to this, but you need to say it. Are you innocent?
Starting point is 00:02:52 Fuck yeah, I'm innocent. Welcome back to the Sean Ryan Show. Our last episode, once again, we absolutely crushed the ratings across the boards. We're on the top charts on iTunes. Thank you everyone for all the support and leaving the reviews on iTunes. If you haven't done it yet, please head over there to iTunes. Leave us a review, even if it's just one word that's all we're asking. If you're watching this on YouTube, smash that like button, leave us a comment. Stay tuned. After this episode, we're gonna have a debrief cover in the whole experience. And with that being said,
Starting point is 00:03:51 let's move on to episode 003. I brought you guys a former Green Beret. He's got over 20 combat deployments with the CIA. He's also known as headshot Don. Guys, Don has a really bad traumatic brain injury. There's no fucking time for fluffin' this one. We dive right the fuckin' everyone. This is better than entertainment.
Starting point is 00:04:23 This is the real fucking thing. Please welcome to the show, my very good friend. Mr. Don Bradley. Done. Welcome to the Sean Ryan show. Thanks, Sean. Thanks for having me back. My pleasure. Your story is way out of my wheelhouse. Usually I go in kind of a timeline where we started childhood, move on to military career, move on to CIA or anything after that, hit transition and kind of what you're doing now. But your story is completely different. And you get shot in the head. You have a very severe TBI traumatic brain injury.
Starting point is 00:05:21 We tried this yesterday. You only have so much brain power a day before things start slipping, unfortunately. So we're just going to cut right to the chase. We're going to want to touch a little bit on, you know, very briefly on your military background and your well-respected career within the CIA. And then I want to move to state side. So let's start off. You have four call signs or your name plus three call signs.
Starting point is 00:05:56 You started off at the CIA with the call sign Vincent. Where did that come from? So Vincent back, way back when they first started making motorcycles for racing, the baddest motorcycle ever made at that time was made by a company called Vincent. In your gear head, I've been riding since I was four years old, I got on my first mini bike. Damn, that's a long time. But, so you got Vincent, that didn't stick very long. Let's talk about how you got the call sign lucky. Okay, yeah, it was only Vincent for a hot minute. And then one day down to Cana Har, we were doing a move because we weren't on calf, which
Starting point is 00:06:43 is Cana Har airfield, where the military are. We had to move some people to the airfield and on the way my vehicle got rammed by a suicide bomber driving a car loaded with explosives, which we know in our terminology as V-bed or vehicle-borne and provides explosive device. I remember when that happened. I just showed up to Candahar. We were actually just looking at one of my platoon plaques. My first combat deployment was still team two. We show up one of the first things that we get
Starting point is 00:07:17 as a brief on what had happened, I believe at the time, was yesterday. And they show us this nice SUV, which was nice, and then they showed us what it looked like now after you got hit with a car bomb. We didn't know each other at the time, but I think the only way to describe that vehicle, and if you're watching this on YouTube,
Starting point is 00:07:42 it's on the screen right now. It looks like an asshole that had just been turned inside out and thrown on the side of the road. And you and everybody in that car survived that. Yeah, we got out alive. Why don't you walk us through a little bit about what's it like to go flying through the air in an armored SUV and one of the most dangerous provinces in Afghanistan. It was interesting to say the least. We did have our escorts with us, which are the locals that we basically hire and train up and turn them into professionals.
Starting point is 00:08:28 And coincidentally, I had had them out on the range doing what any good SF guy would do, which is train them up. Make sure they're proficient. We were doing movement to contact drills in vehicles. So here we are driving down the road now, and this dude rams into the side of the vehicle, blows us up. We roll over, we land first on my side, then we went to the roof, which had a sun roof. I don't know why because you couldn't reach it. That was armor on the roof as well, but that made the most horrible sound that I'll never forget as the glass shattered and drug
Starting point is 00:09:05 along the metal of the roof as we were sliding on the roof. Then of course we ended up on the passenger side, perched on the passenger side, facing 180 degrees from our original direction of travel. I can't get over that you actually survived that because I still... I mean, when I got into country it was right after Red Wing had happened. Yeah. Got some briefings up north there.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Then we moved down to Candahar to the agency base. I saw that car thinking holy shit like this is shit's getting real fucking real real fast. this is shit's getting real fucking real real fast and I just I can't believe anybody walked out of that car. Were you out of it for any amount of time? After that it happened. I mean did you have reconches? So when the car got hit this was actually a very new I won't say the brand because the you know the agency doesn't like that, but it was a nice UV, very, very new low miles, and when we got hit it was very well armored, so
Starting point is 00:10:14 the pressure literally forced everything tight into a box, and we felt next to nothing. However, when you slam onto one side, roll onto the roof, spin around, and end up on the other side, which by the way, during that, the window did what it was designed to do, which has fall out under the ground. Now we got flames coming in there with us as well. But until up until that moment, we were sealed. You know, we were very, very well protected inside. So the real damage came from the things that we had inside, like weapons, personal belonging, equipment in the car, during that rollover. That shit was flying around in there.
Starting point is 00:11:01 So people got hit by the debris that was stowed nicely and secured what we thought was fine at the time. We made some changes after that. But the only real injuries was the people that got hit by things flying around in the car. So it was nothing serious? No. Yeah, just some bumps bruises, some stitches. I think there was maybe one cracked rib. I honestly had not a scratch on me, which is why they're like, put out a worldwide communication saying, this person, of course, was me, just not my actual name, was from that moment on, call sign lucky. Wow, and that stuck with you for a very long long time till we got you out in the head.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Sometimes people see these cars coming, a car bomb, motorcycle bomb, whatever. Did you? Sometimes they know it's about to happen. Sometimes they don't. I guess that probably has something to do with how heads up you are on the road. Did you know what was about to happen or did it take you completely by surprise? So I actually saw the dude because he tried to pull out in between. I was the follow vehicle. Did you guys make eye to eye contact? Yeah. I literally looked right at this dude and tapped my horn because I thought he was just another afghan trying to pull out because he thought it was clear and we really didn't want him in between us because once we hit the edge of town we're going to be hauling ass with a nice loose follow but we didn't want to have
Starting point is 00:12:40 that other vehicle. I mean it was just more of a convenience thing than anything else. So he had pulled off to the side of the road, complying with our lead vehicle, which was the local's gun truck. So everybody's, you know, everything was pretty cool, but when he started to nudge forward like he was going to pull out, I tapped the horn twice and he looked right at me and he gave me one of them really standard patented Afghan bows and they hand up like oh I'm sorry you know we've all if you've worked in that environment you've seen it a million times because there's people everywhere you go and then when we went by him lo and behold this dude driving this just piece of crap car which again you see all over there he didn't
Starting point is 00:13:24 give me any indication that he was a threat. I did see him. He looked right at me. I looked right at him and I was like, cool, he was cool. And then he fricking rams us and bolts us up. It's like, okay. So he didn't show any. He wasn't. None of the typical signs. He wasn't nervous. Wasn't sweating. None of that shit. No, just because I nervous, wasn't sweating. None of that shit. No, just because I saw him clear as day,
Starting point is 00:13:48 the car wasn't like all weighted funny on one side. It was masked very well, because I was aware of the threats and I was looking for the threats and he got one by and bam, there we go. Son of a bitch. Was there any type of a follow on attack? A lot of times when a lot of times
Starting point is 00:14:11 that's an initiation to something a lot bigger, right? Right. There was not. We literally, the escorts, like I said, did their job. Nobody took a shot at us. Not one shot. Not one shot. Not one shot. There was no additional follow on.
Starting point is 00:14:28 It wasn't an initiator to a bigger ambush, which is what you're kind of referring to there. There was nothing. It was just one dude in a car bomb, trying to make a point. In the vehicle, before you exited, you'd mention that the car was on fire, flames were coming through the windows.
Starting point is 00:14:50 How long, like, what was the conversation like in the car with your riding partner and any other assets or special people would just call them? Sure. What was that conversation like? So like I mentioned, we ended up on the passenger side. So we're literally the vehicles like this. I'm turned sideways looking out. The first thought was everything to my right, which was the bottom of the vehicle and the driver's side, which is now straight up in the air, had big flames coming around it.
Starting point is 00:15:31 So the first thought was, okay, how are we going to get out of here? And then my passenger shotgun seat, who was a staffer for the agency, he said the words really fast and loud, the windshield. And I looked forward and that's when I realized the flames were starting to come in because there was no windshield. And he went, he was gone. So it was just me and our passengers from that point on. I was like, okay, he's doing something else. Guess we're on our own here. Yeah. I did a quick self-assessment, you know, when it first happened, like, all right, my head seems fine, arms, fingers are still there,
Starting point is 00:16:11 legs fell around, didn't feel anything wet. I saw my microphone, which was turned on to our internal channel, so I clicked the button and said, we're hit. And then, from that point, I started talking to the passengers, making sure we're hit. And then from that point, I started talking to the passengers, making sure they're okay. Hey, you guys all right, everything okay.
Starting point is 00:16:30 One of them was pretty dazed. The other one was shocked, but otherwise fine. So I talked them through coming out, literally step by step, come on out. You know, here I want you to do this, do this. And one of my partners, the guy who was the right seat in the lead vehicle, who goes by duck or did at the time went by call sign duck, former seal. He was Johnny on the spot man right there at the corner of our vehicle saying come to
Starting point is 00:16:58 me, come to me while I'm talking them out. One of the passengers was insistent he needed to get something out of the back and I had to eventually tell him the third time it was I said you need to get out. I said look, we're on fire. You need to get the fuck out now. Which it finally shook him. He was like oh, oh, okay. And he stopped hunting around for something in the debris that was now everywhere inside of there. He went out and then I climbed out of my chair or my seat, got down onto the window if you will, or the passenger's door window, did a quick search around, grabbed a radio, grabbed a bandalier of 203 rounds, grabbed the grenade launcher that went with it, slung it over my body, was looking everywhere for my rifle, which I could not find, and the flames were literally
Starting point is 00:17:51 coming in as a matter of fact while I was sitting in the chair talking them through, I kept doing this, because I was like, damn it, stop it, because the flames were coming around and trying to burn my face. But then I had all that stuff, got out, moved away from the vehicle. You didn't have your rifle? No, it wasn't in the car. So all you have was what? A pistol and a pistol?
Starting point is 00:18:13 A 203 and a bandelier around. Holy shit. Which is what? Maybe 20 rounds tops. Probably. Yeah, I think it was 20 rounds if I'm not mistaken. How many operators are on the ground? So me and my partner who had un-assed the vehicle
Starting point is 00:18:28 unexpectedly, and then the two guys that were driving the other vehicle, one of which stayed in the driver's position. The duck got out of the passenger's position and came and helped. Of course, like I said, the escorts, we had just trained on movement to contact two days prior. So they did exactly what we had just trained to do surrounded the area, controlled it while we got out. And later the guy that had unasked my passenger seat
Starting point is 00:18:58 who was now running around screaming outside, finally came up to me and smacked me in the chest and goes, here's your rifle and I took it and I looked at it and it was so covered and satin-ass and crap. I was like, I don't think that's mine, but whatever, I got a rifle now, good, you know. So you're with four operators who took all three and a half because the ones are fucking loser. So, but how many or how many liabilities? There were two in each car, so we then had to put R2 in the other car. So your baby sitting four people, four folks, you got three operators and you got one guy that just lost his
Starting point is 00:19:41 fucking mind. He didn't get a nice award though, because he was a staffer. Ah! That's how it works over there. Yep. Did anybody fire any shots after this? Now man, when I came out before him, you guys. Yeah, before he came up and jammed me in the chest
Starting point is 00:20:00 with my rifle, I was literally scanning everywhere because at that time they were hitting our forces and videotaping it and then selling those videotapes in the bizarre and it was one of the ways that the Taliban and Al Qaeda were making money. So I was looking, searching for anybody around that was videotape and the whole thing. Didn't see anybody. So no, we didn't, we didn't have to fire a shot. Well, nobody, nobody video. I remember when that was all happening because they actually videoed some of Red Wing and I used to get these videos from our end-to-told apartment and I would use them to kind of, it was almost like a pre-mission ritual to get my mind where I wanted
Starting point is 00:20:46 it to be before we would go on opposite, but they didn't video it. And you got, I mean, that shows a lot of discipline, and that one shot was fired from you or your team. After being hit with a fucking car bomb, your shit's on fire. You get four liabilities that you're trying to keep some hand of control over. You got one guy who's lost his fucking mind and then the other two guys would sound like they're a pretty solid.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Do you think you had any TBI from that or any long-term injuries from that blast? I didn't bang my head or anything and the overpressure was kept outside. Again, the vehicle was so new, it worked as advertised. Wow. Including the windshield falling out. When we went on my side, then we rolled up to the roof, and went across the A pillar, and the pressure of it being pushed on, the way the windshields are made, they're angled. So, outwards, so that pressure coming this way, just makes it even tighter.
Starting point is 00:21:59 But coming the other direction, they'll just pop right out. And that's what it did. So, I didn't really feel anything. You were unscathed. Yeah I had that on scratch on me which is why the chief of base was like I can't believe this because you know the other people had little bumps bruises stitches like I said maybe a cracked rib on one person they were kind of sore the only thing I had was a little bit of singed hair up here from duck in the flames repeatedly. But it grew back. Oh good. Wow. When you got out of the car,
Starting point is 00:22:36 and I'm sure you're getting situation on wearing us on the ground, but did you, the ground. Did you, was there any residue of the car that hit you? Yeah, there was debris everywhere. I actually have some pictures. One of them is the guy that was driving the car, his whole face just sitting on the ground. Got a gory but great picture of the dude's last moment on Earth. No shit. So his head is on the... I mean I've seen that before. Usually it's from a suicide bomber, not a car bomb. Right. With the belt. Yeah. Because their head is... It goes underneath. Their head goes up in the air and everything else is just turns into, you know, a pink mist. So this dude's head, so he looked into his eyes again for a second time. He just, you know, wasn't mentally present anymore.
Starting point is 00:23:41 He was there, but he was no longer there. Well, you know, I'm sure he was no longer there. Well you know I'm sure he was there in spirit. But wow. Any of the pictures of that? Yeah I do. I don't know if we can put those on the channel or not. It's kind of kind of graphic. I'd like to see him. I'd be happy to show you to you. So I mean that well that's a pretty damn fitting call sign. Was anybody, how the fuck did you get out of there? You're down a vehicle, yeah. Was anybody coming to get you? Did you have comms with anybody higher? Well we we just let them know through the SATCOM that we had that we had been hit. We had
Starting point is 00:24:21 recovered all passengers and we were continuing mission. So basically we jammed all of our packs into the first vehicle. So now they're literally sardines. We had one person sitting in the very back with their luggage, you know, kind of laid out across it and the three of them pinned in. It doesn't sound like that would be that tight, but as you and I both know, you're wearing full body armor, which they only wear it when they got to move, so it's not stuff that fits them. It's just big bulky stuff to keep them safe.
Starting point is 00:24:52 So they're jammed in there. So duck and I, you know, my right seat guy ended up taking the right seat of the other vehicle and then duck and I got in the back seat of our Escort's pickup truck and we actually let it out. So the remaining vehicle followed us in the lead gun truck. So now we're literally riding in the thin skin with the locals and then the tail gun truck came up behind us and now three vehicles continued on to Ken Harrierfield. behind us and now three vehicles continued on to Ken Harrierfield. Wow. In fact, we had to calm the driver down because he was going so fucking fast.
Starting point is 00:25:32 We were both afraid that he was gonna wreck and kill us after we just lived through this crowd of shit. How was that? Hey dude, chill out man. It's just a car bomb. It's okay. Slow down just a little bit and he was like, huh, huh, huh, a car bomb. It's okay. Slow down, just a little bit. And he was like, huh, huh, huh.
Starting point is 00:25:46 It's like, no, no, it's good, it's good. Just slow down a little bit, a little bit slow down, and he kind of slowed down like, good, good. Yes, good. And we were still going really fast, but the truck wasn't going, so bad it felt like the front end was gonna fall off
Starting point is 00:26:00 or he was gonna lose control. So, yeah, it was kind of a funny after effect. In fact, Duck and I looked at each other and he goes, dude, I hate to sound so crass, but I so wish I had my camera because when that car blew up, it was spectacular. It was like something out of a movie. I mean, our car. When we were out of it, because it was pissing fuel out the tank because of the heat from all the flames, and that fuel was coming out raw, but where it ended, it was on fire. So it was like your flame throw over here in much grander scale.
Starting point is 00:26:37 And it's like as the fuel level went down, it worked its way back, and when it got to the vehicle, that whole thing went boom, boom! And it was like a three-story high fireball. Holy shit. Yeah, I was standing about 50 feet away from it and went, wow! I will never forget when I saw where they put the car and they let us go look at it. And I've been still to this day, even looking at the picture,
Starting point is 00:27:07 I just can't believe anybody survived that. And then at the same time, we had no idea agency personnel were even there. We've just gotten there, and I was like, holy shit, CIA's here. And yeah, and that was me. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 00:27:24 We were getting blown up. But last thing on this, do you think there's anything you could have done to prevent that? I mean, it doesn't sound like there was much. You could have taken a different route maybe, but I mean, all in all, you saw the threat. You didn't think he was a threat. He blows himself up. Is there anything you would have done different or could have done different to avoid that entire thing?
Starting point is 00:27:50 Unfortunately, it was one of those situations where we had little to no choice on the route because there was only one way to get there. So you were channelized. And I did see him, like I said, and I looked right at him and he gave me no indication whatsoever that he was a threat. And like I said, we knew there were threats.
Starting point is 00:28:14 So we were looking for threats. We had really good intel. But just because you know that they're there, you don't know exactly which one it is. And if the guy doesn't look like he's doing anything wrong and he looks like he's complying with simple gestures, drive on, move. Yeah, well, I mean, even good intel, I mean,
Starting point is 00:28:39 you know, what are they gonna tell you? Fucking white Toyota Corolla is a car bomb with a license plate number. That's like over there you're either driving a white Toyota Corolla or a fucking Toyota Highlight. Highlight, yeah. Or a motorcycle. And that's about it.
Starting point is 00:28:58 So how many Intel reports did you see about a white Toyota Corolla possible or probable V-bed being in the area? And you'd be like, oh look, another white Corolla that's going to kill us. Yeah, it did. It got to be a fucking joke. It was. Good job guys. Every car in Afghanistan is a fucking white Toyota Corolla. Potential bleeding. Thanks for the heads up. But so moving forward just a little bit, we finally got to work together in the capital and Kabul. We got into a little tough that could have gone extremely bad. I needed backup. I called you, unfortunately, for you, you were eating an omelette and had to leave it. But, um, and I lost a red shoe. But point being, you showed up and I'm going to turn it over to you just a second here, but it was another example of how, of you using extreme
Starting point is 00:30:00 restraint and, and, and an enormous amount of discipline. That could have gone really bad. And I left because I had a couple of special people with me that we needed to get the fuck out of there, but why don't you kind of talk about what happened after I left? Sure. Like you said, we obviously responded to a QRF call. There was only me and another guy and as we were running to the car, we ran across a third guy from our program who joined us immediately, so there's only three of us. And when we got there, we recognized that you guys
Starting point is 00:30:43 were blocked in, they weren't letting you out. These were Afghan soldiers. They had guns. They had what was obviously some Afghan officer who was creating the difficulty. But what he had already done to you guys, and this was confirmed later by high-level agency people. We were cleared hot just to go in there and smoke his ass and let you out of there based on the rules of engagement. Now just because you're authorized to do something doesn't always mean that's the right thing
Starting point is 00:31:18 to do. In that situation which we actually talked about before, it probably would have created an international incident had we done what we were authorized to do. So instead, I told the guys, just be cool, just act like everybody's, everybody's friend. Let's make sure nobody's pointing guns at each other, but stay close to the car doors so if we need to take cover, we can use these armored doors,
Starting point is 00:31:43 which bolts actually won't go through the armor doors as cover The this guy that we found out later was a kernel was Enraged for whatever reason Because you guys happen to be sharing the same road space that he was that day And he came over and approached me and I was just like, hey man, it's cold, calm down. And he was obviously speaking in whatever language that he was speaking in Dari first, he whatever, Pashdu, I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:32:14 But he was highly animated, so I wouldn't have been able to pick up what language it was anyways. And I was like, it's okay, it's okay, no problem. And I had my rifle, but I intentionally held it down because I knew I could use it if I needed, but let's keep it so that it's not threatening, try to diffuse the situation.
Starting point is 00:32:31 And it worked, but the guy as a parting gift decided that he was, because he was doing this a lot, and then he was standing pretty close to me, and I was starting to get a little uncomfortable with how close he was, but everybody was pulling guns, nobody was shooting, so it was okay. And we had a covered if he went the other direction, but he did take his hand at one point in time and he like reached out and did that and hit me in the throat, indicating he
Starting point is 00:33:02 would cut my throat. And at that point in time, that's where the real estate came in. Because now I'm wanting to subdue this guy, roll him up and take him back for some extra curricular questioning with our people. But instead, I decided to get everybody just back into the car because they couldn't go anywhere. We were now blocking them. We got you out of there because that was the priority, getting the packs away from the scene. And we just literally wouldn't let them leave until our Afghan, QRF came, surrounded all of them, and then we got all the information
Starting point is 00:33:47 that we needed from them. And then the next day, we went and paid him a visit with some very interesting Afghan intelligence people who are ranked him. Some other people, some other people. I mean, he was pissed. I mean, I kicked the shit out of him right in front of all those fucking buddies Before he showed up. So that's some of a bitch did get my shoe, but
Starting point is 00:34:12 but point being You showed a hell of a lot of restraint again. You totally could have fucking killed everybody involved in that that was not an American and And you didn American and you did save it from being an international incident. I want you to tell these stories because I want to show the level of restraint that you have leading up to what happened December 27th. Yeah, 27th, two days after Christmas. 2018.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Yep. I was sitting at home, I get a phone call from your employee at CERRACO DENATION. You were working at, it was your business. You were one of the owners of CERRACO DENATION.
Starting point is 00:35:00 And your employee calls me and tells me that you hadn't been to work and I believe three days because I got the call on the 30th. You just left my house, he's like, ah, you know this isn't like Don, you know, and I'm like, yeah, no shit, it's not like Don. You've been done for three days according to him. I punch up your name, start Google in your name, and I'll be damned.
Starting point is 00:35:25 All these fucking articles start coming up. And none of the articles, I think there was three or four of them, maybe one of the articles says you would open fire on somebody over a road rage incident. Another article said somebody had opened fire on you. Another one said, you're in the hospital. Somebody else is in the hospital. None of the shit jived. I had not met your wife Pam at the time. Found her on Facebook and your son, who I had not met either.
Starting point is 00:35:58 And luckily they messaged me back and we hit the road and spent New Year's Eve in the hospital where you were recovering. So why don't you, I know that there's only so much you can tell us because it's in litigation right now, correct? Yeah. Tell us what you can about the actual incident and where it happened. Sure. So it happened on the Macon County Line. The shop was just inside the Macon County Line and I went north into Monroe County on the way home
Starting point is 00:36:33 and I wasn't very far into Monroe County when all this went down. This is Georgia, correct? This is all Georgia. Yeah, middle Georgia. Obviously because there is an open case, criminal case, with all of this, where I've been indicted. We can't get into a lot of the specifics, but I will say that a,
Starting point is 00:36:55 an ice cream salesman who has a history of domestic violence, as a documented history of domestic violence. Are those all different incidents that he's been... This is a court document where he was issued a restraining order to stay away from family members and was also ordered to undergo a batterer's intervention program. So I don't know the specifics of it. All I know is obviously this guy's got a background with it. There's a history of violence. There's a history of violence there.
Starting point is 00:37:34 And he also admitted in his statement because we've had discovery, and I've seen his statement, that he was road-raging. So do the other people that were with him. Before we get into specifics, what are you being indicted for? I gravated assault and I think it's possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime. I want to say is the other one? Okay, something to do with having a firearm while it went down.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Right now, I already know the answer to this, but you need to say it. Are you innocent? Fuck yeah, I'm innocent. They literally have the situation 180 degrees and think about it. He gives a statement, I'm fucking bleeding out on the ground and then go to the trauma center where I'd later, 24 hours later, more than 24 hours later, undergo brain surgery. I never said much of anything until over two weeks later when I was well enough to actually tell my side of what had just went down that or what it went down that day. But by that time, a strange thing had gone really disturbingly wrong.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Apparently, even though they had my driver's license, got my license played on my pickup truck, got my VIN number, got everything they need to identify who I am, they pulled the background of a career felon. Instead of you. Instead of me, they literally told Pam, and you know what, she's going to do a much better job of telling that story than I can. But the guy said that I was a career felon with a rap sheet as long as your arm, with felony convictions, including drug convictions, who had no legal right to be in possession of a firearm.
Starting point is 00:39:26 So they threw everything out the window. It seems and just said, he's guilty. It's wrapped this shit up and go home, boys. But did they think you were dead? You know, I can only speculate, but it seems like they thought I was dead or about to die. So they just blamed the shit on me and said, let's wrap this up and go home. What did you get shot in the head with? A 38 revolver. A 38. Yep. Little snub nose pistol.
Starting point is 00:39:56 I knew what it was as soon as I saw it. As soon as he was pointing it at me. I want to put a picture up right now on YouTube showing where you got shot in the head. Okay. So there it is. It's not pretty. Yeah. It's not. It's pretty gnarly.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Yeah. Chicks dig scars though, right? Yeah. Yeah. You shot in the head by a 38 revolver. Were you, I mean, was it instant lights out? There's, there's not a whole hell of a lot of people in the world that lived to tell the tale of being shot in the head. Was it lights out? Do you remember? I don't remember being hit. OK.
Starting point is 00:40:46 What's your first memory after being hit? There was some real foggy stuff. I was in and out of consciousness. The first real memory I was actually in the emergency room of this trauma center being wheeled around. Because I remember the movement was really, really difficult because moving at all at that point, you know, with a freaking bullet in your brain, was messing with the wound, the injury. The bullet was, it was inside my skull.
Starting point is 00:41:30 It's in there. Yeah, is it still in there? Well, it was, I'm guessing that it was a hollow point and I think that's an educated guess, but it turned into a bunch of shrapnel pieces once it hit my skull, it broke my skull. I have an indentation to this day, and of course it popped or shattered pieces
Starting point is 00:41:53 in other areas where I got hairline fractures, spiral fractures, just a lot of shit. And the bullet fragments went in, and they're literally sitting on the artery that feeds the right hemisphere of my brain they're literally sitting on the artery that feeds the right hemisphere of my brain. So literally surrounding it. Sharp little shards of steel led are sitting on top of that artery.
Starting point is 00:42:16 I'm putting the X-rays on the screen right now. Yeah, so big concern is obviously with the doctors. It's common to have seizures around the one year mark. If I have a seizure, one of those shards will almost certainly poke through that artery and it'll kill me. Well, we're right out of year. And CBD, whole sign was lucky. So let's pray that that continues. Yeah. Well, with the help of CBD, because I tried using their anti-seizure medicine for a few weeks
Starting point is 00:42:54 and it just made me violently ill, so I switched to CBD. Now I live in Florida and I actually take medical grade CBD in Florida, but that's its magic. Well, that's good to hear that something's helping you, man. Yeah. So where was Pam during all this? You're in the hospital. We talked about your first memory. You're getting wheeled around.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Where's your wife? She's at home wondering where the hell I am. Well speaking to your wife, we actually have her on the line. So, hey Pam, how are you? Good, how are you guys doing? I'm doing pretty good. So I have your husband sitting here and we just got to the part where he was shot in the head, now he's in the hospital. You don't know where he was shot in the head, now he's in the hospital,
Starting point is 00:43:47 you don't know where he's at. Can you kind of walk us through a sequence of events on what happened from your perspective and also how you were treated after your husband's just been shot in the head? Sure. Usually you don't beat me home from work. So, it's hours went by and I couldn't reach him by phone or text.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Every hour that ticked by, I was getting more concerned, scared, obviously, extremely worried. It was raining really hard that night, so I had no idea what happened. I just need something which was wrong. I literally got to a point where I called every hospital in Georgia. It was told that he was not, at any of the hospitals I called. A few of them I actually called twice because I thought the response that I got when I called was a little off. Anyway, finally, my son could call me his word as I was after obviously the hour went by.
Starting point is 00:45:14 And we figured out Don's password finally. Good life son and I tracked his phone. You found him by tracking his phone? Yes. And Don's not a bar hopper or anything like that. He's not a drinker. He definitely wasn't at the bar. You know 100% something's going on. Exactly. There's no doubt in my mind. I could sense something was wrong. It sent something was wrong, but I just had no idea what. We pinged his phone and it pinged behind a fire station. So I of course looked up the number and called the fire station right away, told them,
Starting point is 00:45:59 my husband has been missing since 3 o'clock in the afternoon with last time I spoke with him. And his phone is pinning behind your fire station. I said, can you please tell me what's behind your fire station? And if the fireman told me that, was a holding line and we've never had any contact at all with the police at all. So I had to have ordered a holding line. I had no idea. How long have he been missing at this point? This was about one o'clock in the morning that we finally painted foam. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:47 And, and, and, Don, were you conscious at all at this time? Completely out. I don't remember any of that. They had me on morphine drip. Yeah. Um, the fireman actually put me on hold and got me the number, the police department, and
Starting point is 00:47:07 then I called the police department. And I never called the police department before this because Don's never been in any type of trouble. So I knew he wasn't going to be at a police department, you know, just totally outlying. My thing was with the weather situation that you know something might happen. What police department did you contact? It was the Monroe County Sheriff's Department. Okay. So I called there and actually spoke to a corporal f***ing of that.
Starting point is 00:47:46 It might sound of course with me the whole time we had this guy on the speaker phone. And yeah, couple of f***ing told me that they had my husband and they were processing them but he was injured but they were processing them, but he was injured, but they're processing them. It's so mean, never dealing with a patient, the police, before I was doing, down with at the police department and I mean he had a cut on his hand or something. I mean I had no clue.
Starting point is 00:48:20 And I said, is there a reason that he hasn't been able to? Is there a reason he hasn't called me yet? They mean processing is in processing like you're going to jail? Exactly. Exactly. And you don't know he's been shot in the head at this point? Oh no, I have no idea. I'm literally thinking that he's at the jail and I'm assuming he's got a cut on his hands or something. I have no clue. And anyway, I've asked, is there a reason he hasn't been able to call me?
Starting point is 00:48:52 I'm scared to death. What's happened? And he said, oh man, sometimes this takes some time. I was like, okay, and I hung up the phone with this guy not knowing what else to ask, or, you know, anyways, I called back about 10 minutes later and said, hey, when is visitation hours tomorrow? Because I'm thinking I will be at the police department 10 minutes before I can go see him and find out what the hell was going on.
Starting point is 00:49:25 And then I'm informed by this corporate f***ing thing that Don is not there and I cannot go see him. And I'm like, sir, I just hung up the phone with you. You know, you tell me you're crossing my husband and he's injured. He said, yes, ma'am, but he's not here. He's at the hospital and I screamed. He's at the hospital. He said yes, ma'am. He's been shot in the head.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Holy shit. And now, my literally hit the floor. Started screaming. It's your life. And I don't know why I said this, but I said, can he talk? I, we are things go through your mind in these situations. And, anyways, what the fuck is going to put me on hold for about,
Starting point is 00:50:18 it seemed like five minutes or so, and he came back and he said, your husband is alive. And I said, well, I'm going, I've fed to my son. And he could hear, I'm going to put jeans on. And quote, and said, you need to stop. You'll be arrested if you go anywhere near the hospital. They were going to arrest you. To arrest me. To go.
Starting point is 00:50:41 Or my son, if we went anywhere near the hospital. To visit your husband who was just shot in the head. Yes. to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go Would be able to answer some questions for it. I asked if there was a reason why we would investigate a f***ing thing. And it wouldn't call me at that point, you know, before this time. I was told that while man was shift-change. Oh, shit. And it was shift change. And I was just floored. Needless to say, I was up all night.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Or you did gas up out my husband, where the different tolls had shot the head. Wow. It ate a clot the next morning, I was on the phone with... Investigators, and A told me he won't leave there. He said your husband's a Colonel Colonel with a rap sheet as long as you're armed. He said he has several felony charges including a conviction. Those who are not even going to be allowed to confess the gun. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:52:10 And the whole time he's telling me this, I'm crying, of course. And I'm f***ing innocent and then produced to tell me what he thought happened to Don, which turned out to be inaccurate as the background check that they pulled on my husband. So they pulled the wrong rap sheet on your husband and told you that he was a career criminal after he'd been shot in the head and nobody seen him yet other than the doctor and the officer who's guarding his hospital room. That you're not allowed to go see. Exactly. And then it's been told me that Donald is a local trauma center.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Any event, again repeated that if my son or I went anywhere near the hospital, we would be arrested. Holy shit. I was told on the back through this that is not my husband. You've got the long man. I told him, you know, we've been married over 30 years. You've got the long guy here, something's not right. And this ****, I'm not proceeded to tell me that if I'd been married, if this career criminal, as long as I told him I had been, that he found it hard to believe that I wasn't aware of his criminal record. Wow.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Then, if some questions had to tell me that my husband had been shot dead, he would be having surgery and they will be putting the metal plate in his head. And if, again, if we go anywhere near the hospital, we'll be erected. So what? I literally stepped up and hit the floor. And when I could finally talk, I was literally screaming. Sorry. They're going to put a plate in his head.
Starting point is 00:54:29 They're going to put a plate in his head. And I stood up again and hit the floor again. By the way, he does not have a plate in his head. It's 10 a.m., it's approximately 10 a.m., the next morning. But this is now about 18 hours after my husband had been shot. I was told that a phone call from a s***. It's something that came to light. And I could go to ICU and see my husband.
Starting point is 00:55:09 So, what was it like when you got to the hospital and you saw your husband for the first time? My son literally had to help me to the car and put me in the car and put a bucket in my lap and drove me to the hospital. We walked into the ICU approximately 20 hours after my husband had been shot in the head. Wow. In that time, of course course he could have died. Yeah very easily. This is a f***ing son.
Starting point is 00:55:52 You know he changed our lives forever. He reached in an early world without part of my heart. I thought I'd be a strong person. And now, of course, I've been diagnosed with severe panic attacks and PTSD from the way we were treated. Wow. So. Wow. So... Walking in, no, I apologize. Walking in to be done.
Starting point is 00:56:28 Once I got there, the total shock of seeing it all was just overwhelming. I stayed extremely calm once I was with him, which was really surprising. But I ran right to him and grabbed his hand and said, baby, I'm here. Was Dom responsive? Do you remember this, Don? She kind of.
Starting point is 00:56:58 So you were like, in and out. It was just fucked up, bro. Okay. I'm gonna not know why. but you've been blown up. But I'm just kidding, but... Did the relationship with Monroe County Sheriff's Department improve after they had realized that they had given you the wrong fucking rap sheet
Starting point is 00:57:22 and allowed you to go to the hospital and see your husband. Did they get any better? Did they improve? Did they apologize? I was, oh God no. I was actually told by a **** and I told him on the phone at one point that I had to have done cell phone. I said, you know, I've got to get in touch with his shop.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I've got to let somebody know what's going on. And it's been told me that he would bring his cell phone to on two guns hospital. No needless to say, he did not do that. And I did not speak with him again at that point. He got to a point where I couldn't even take with people. I had the work, but I couldn't get the work out. I had the words, but I couldn't get the words out. In the only time I was calm down a little bit, was when I was actually with Don.
Starting point is 00:58:37 It was just crazy. And a lot of things happened during this process to the way they treated my son, myself, and my husband. It's just totally unacceptable. Yeah, I remember I showed up, me and Katie showed up shortly after this part, and I don't want to make you go und do it any farther but I just want to say thank you for reliving that with us and I appreciate you taking our call and Don you have anything?
Starting point is 00:59:19 Love you baby. I love you too. Alright Pam. I can just say one quick thing Sean. Of course. I don't care if your purple or green or red or blue, nobody should be treated the way Monroe County Sheriff's Department treated my family. You nobody. Yeah that's for
Starting point is 00:59:47 damn sure. Yeah I feel struggle with I have no idea how to thank the people that helped us. I think God we're not him down for me that night. I think the nurses and the doctors will keep him my husband alive. I think he and my son who, while we raised such a strong young man who helped me so much through all of this, my boss, my co-workers, my mother who financially stepped up and helped us
Starting point is 01:00:29 to act however it needed to keep the new and Katie. Curtin, Curtin, James Nehan, and all the people that were in the house that I stopped. How do you thank these people? Well, you just did. And it just shows you guys got a lot of love coming towards you. Now, you know, we're all praying for you. Yeah. So, all right, Pam.
Starting point is 01:01:02 We're going to let you go for now. All right, love you guys. gonna let you go for now. Alright, love you guys. Love you too. Thank you. Alright, I... Love I. Well, that was pretty emotional.
Starting point is 01:01:16 What's it like to hear your wife tell that story? It rips my fucking heart out, dude. We've been married for 35 years. She has, we dated for two years before we were married. We know each other. That's my best friend. And that guy talked to her like she was white trash that was beneath him. And I'll never forgive him for that.
Starting point is 01:01:43 That's tough to listen to, man. Yeah. I mean, to be treated like. That's tough to listen to, man. Yeah. I mean, to be treated like that, 14 years in the military, a Green Bray, a serenstructor in the Air Force, then how many years did you do with the agency? Eight years, 21 trips. Eight years at the agency, 21 trips.
Starting point is 01:02:02 21 trips. Fuck, I think you have me beat. But 21 trips with the agency 21 trips. 21 trips. Fuck, I think you have me beat. But 21 trips with the agency, they mistake your record for a fucking criminal's record. They don't correct it. And the next thing you know, and if I'm mistaken, correct me, but this goes to the news. Yeah, that's really one of the disturbing things that happened was, first of all, they misidentified who I was and what my background is. I mean, because when you pull in whatever their computer system is that they look at it,
Starting point is 01:02:39 it should have had nothing next to me, maybe a speeding ticket, you know. But the sheriff, who coincidentally, had just been sworn in one week to the day before this went down within moments of this happening. He went on TV and he's basically talking all this interpretation of what he thought happened, even though one, obviously he wasn't there, too, he didn't have any statement or information from me. And three, he thought I was a career criminal. So the sheriff went on public television, and mistakenly ruined your name by giving somebody a criminal's rap sheet saying that it's your rap sheet. No, he did not.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Okay, that's incorrect. He did not say that I was a criminal. He believed I was a criminal. Went on TV and exonerated the person who had attacked me and then didn't say I was guilty, but left the only thing, you know, the... So he went on TV, he didn't say I was a criminal, he went on believing I was a criminal, And then he said things that exon, and his mind, and in the viewing audience's mind, exonerated the person who had attacked me,
Starting point is 01:04:12 which left the only conclusion in their minds to be that I was the attacker. And it's literally 180 degrees off. So are they going, did they apologize for doing that? Well, the sheriff whose name is So are they going did they apologize for doing that? Well the sheriff whose name is literally Just decided to keep moving forward. Holy shit because I didn't even come in and tell over two weeks after it happened
Starting point is 01:04:45 Where I was healthy enough to give a statement and when I got there all they wanted to do was throw handcuffs on me and put me under the jail somewhere. They didn't listen to anything we said. I mean, they heard it, but they weren't listening. In fact, the guy even said to me at one point in time, because I had an attorney with me. I'm not an idiot. He said to me at one time, you ready to change your story yet? And I said, if I changed my story, I'd have to why. I'm telling you the truth. So anyways, holy shit. They're an interesting group. And coincidentally, obviously in the aftermath of that, we started doing a little research
Starting point is 01:05:18 about what's going on here. How could they be so off in their conclusions when they hadn't even conducted an investigation, but yet they ran with it as though everything was clear cut? Well, then we find the previous New Year's Eve, the same Sheriff's Department, had pulled over a couple for allegedly having too dark of tint on their car windows. Turns out it wasn't too dark. So, since they're there, they decide to search the car. There's nothing in the car. But there's a bag of cotton candy,
Starting point is 01:05:51 which they identified as meth-emphetamine and arrested the woman for some reason. I guess she probably said it was my, I don't know. I don't know all the ins and outs of it. But they arrested her for a bag of cotton candy and then held her in jail for three months until the Georgia Bureau of Investigation did a test on it and said, yeah, it's cotton candy guys. Then they held her for three more days before they let her go. This is the exact same, exact same Sheriff's Department. And as a matter of fact,
Starting point is 01:06:22 there's a history of this shit. Yeah, when you Google it, the same investigators name comes up on the news reports. So I don't know what the connection is between them, but you know, it's starting to look like maybe there's something going on there. And then... Is it... Are these articles online? Can I leave these? Yeah, please do. Link them all. All you got to do is Google Georgia woman arrested for cotton candy. You'll see the dash cam. You'll read the whole story and you'll see the name of the investigator who also was the investigator on my case when mysteriously my background check comes back as a career criminal instead of somebody who's never been in trouble and had a top-circuit security clearance.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Are there any more examples of that? There's some disturbing things that continue to come out of that department. So four months before I was shot in August, one of their deputies gets busted because a Fox 5 IT investigator gets a recording from a woman where Monroe County Sheriff's Deputy had arrested her for DUI and drug charges and then called her a couple of days later apparently or allegedly whatever and picked her up in his personal pickup truck, drove her into the woods and told her because this is on the recording and you can hear this, that he would go to the DA and work something out on her charges if he just, you know, give me a little blowjob, we'll take care of it right now.
Starting point is 01:07:54 You got to be shit me and this is a recording that you can pull up and listen to. Yep, yep. Holy shit. Yep. And then after that, um, after my incident, which was four months later, the next thing that happens, which just happened in December, at the end of December, another one of their deputies, while wearing insignia, this is on the Monroe County Sheriff's Department
Starting point is 01:08:20 Facebook page, you can read it right there, while wearing Monroe County Sheriff's Department insignia, identifying himself as a deputy gets busted in a neighboring county's drug sting. Wow. So he's been arrested, charged, fired just like the previous guy. Well then, man, you you came here a couple days ago. We actually tried the podcast. Your TBI, traumatic brain injury, got the best of you, we had to take break, and we find the article. I googled them. Yep.
Starting point is 01:08:53 What's the first thing that came up? That they had just killed the guy while they were booking him into the jail. So there's a lot of history. Well, Cotton Candy, Blowjob Cop, this freaking military and CIA professionals, the career criminal, the buying drugs while wearing insignia, identifying them as a cop, and now they just killed the guy while they were booking him into jail. Over an altercation is what it says. I don't know the specifics. And nobody's looking into your stuff yet, other than your attorney, and a couple of friends
Starting point is 01:09:38 like me and some other people that we know. I'm so sorry that you're having to go through this. I mean, I know that you had to sell your house. You sold your motorcycle, you sold your truck, you sold just about everything, just to be able to pay for an attorney to prove that you're innocent. I mean, when,
Starting point is 01:10:05 and you moved out of Georgia to Florida. Your home state, how long have you been lived in Georgia? Almost 25 years. 25 fucking years, you live there, called at home. And now you have to leave because you feel threatened by a fucking sheriff's department. Yep. Very true. That's fucking disgusting.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Just to put things in perspective here, you asked me to write a letter. Yes. How many letters from agency personnel, military personnel, special operations? I mean, people who hold integrity to them in the highest regards. How many letters did you get? I got them from everybody I asked. Not only did they write them, but they were like, how expose my cover and testify for you because there's no way they got this right. I've seen you in action. I've seen you show tremendous restrain. There's no fucking way what they're saying happened. Happened.
Starting point is 01:11:08 What do you need me to do? I'm there for you. Did that have any effect at all? You know, it'll probably hold some sway over the jury if it gets to that point, which it looks like a well-quiet frankly. But the Sheriff's Department doesn't give a shit. They made up their mind early on and ran with it.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Why the fuck do you think they're doing this to you? I don't know. I can't, I can only speculate, but it is interesting to know that the incidences that we just mentioned, they didn't unearth any of those. Every one of them was brought to their attention by an outside agency or by a news crew or outside individuals. So, they don't seem to be real big on looking deeply into things concerning them, but they're all over anything that they can really just hammer the shit out of people for if they feel justified in doing
Starting point is 01:12:06 so. They're not public servants. They are more, it feels like they're even at war with the people that they should be protecting. a little bit about how you're dealing, how's your health? And I know being shot in the head has changed. Yeah. It's changed a lot of pretty much everything about your life. And I mean, we can't even get through. We tried how many two or three different times to make this podcast and the brain injury just gets in the way every time you get dizzy. Can you tell us a little bit about how this has changed your daily life and your life and your son and your daughter? Yeah well the first off it's very very traumatic and has been damaging to Pam. Pam is the strongest strongest person she's been with me through the entire military career all the
Starting point is 01:13:09 deployments all the CIA time she found out later that I'd been blown up and obviously she Was very concerned about that, but she handled everything like a trooper strong woman. This is destroyer I mean she has panic attacks. She's on medication to keep calm because when she starts thinking about it, you heard her on the phone. Her voice just shakes uncontrollably. She has a hard time even saying the words because it's just so overwhelming to her. As far as me, I'm fucked up, bro. I've got shot in the head. So I've got residual issues. I have permanent balance issues, as you've seen. And sometimes the dizziness overwhelms me. It can even sweep me off my feet if I'm standing up. So I have to be careful.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Helps a lot if I've got my elbows on things because it's like my internal gyroscopes no longer working correctly. It does for short bursts but then in the long term it just starts going crazy and I get really dizzy really fast. Start stumbling. A lot of times I just have to lay down. So like you mentioned, we tried to do this a couple of times and I just start falling out because I fade.
Starting point is 01:14:27 And when I fade, I can't get the words that are in my mind to come out of my mouth so that I can make comprehensive sentences and statements. So it's interesting, it's difficult. But what are the doctors saying? I mean, is there going to be improvement? Do they know? So they don't really know. They told Pam from the beginning to expect a new norm.
Starting point is 01:14:53 You know, he's not going to be the same, possibly ever. He may get a little bit better. He may not get any better. I have gotten a little bit better, thank God. But it could take the rest of my life to get any better than I am right now, or I may not get any better at all, or who knows, it could get better a little bit every year. Nobody knows. Like I mentioned before, I got bullet-trapnel, sharp shards of metal sitting on the artery
Starting point is 01:15:24 that feeds the entire right hemisphere of my brain. So if I do have a seizure, I'm done. Or if you get hit and fall the wrong way. Yeah, if I fall because I get dizzy, bump my head, it's probably over. So. Then you have all the stress from the lawsuit. So it's not a lawsuit. It's a criminal prosecution that they're running against me.
Starting point is 01:15:48 So they're prosecuting you. You just got done with the discovery phase, correct? Correct. If you're found guilty, which I'm Pran, and I know you won't because you're lucky. And I've got the truth. I'm not lucky. But because you're lucky and I've got the truth out on lucky but what do you say you're found guilty what are you looking at up to 22 years in prison I will die in prison if it came to that because I ain't gonna live to be in my 80s now with this road hard and put away body that I'm walking around in. Fuck dude. Yeah, it's pretty serious, you know? It's another near death experience in my life. And this one unfortunately has an after effect that I have to
Starting point is 01:16:34 contend with in the form of some very aggressive militant people that apparently would rather be out killing terrorists than being sheriffs but they're sheriffs so they seem to be acting kind of the same way. Actually no, we wouldn't put up with the way that they're acting where we came from. They wouldn't last. I just fucking hate that this has happened in India. I don't want to keep going on because I don't want, I don't want you to have an episode with your TBI. Is there anything you want people to know before we wrap this up? Well, the first thing I want them to know without a shadow of a doubt, I didn't do what they said I did.
Starting point is 01:17:27 And I am more stunned than anybody that they came to the conclusions that they came to, especially after we went in and clearly showed them that that's not the case, but they just literally wouldn't hear it. So there's something to miss in the Monroe County Sheriff's Department, the people that are representing Georgia in the middle of Georgia are having some issues. And somebody, preferably somebody with some state or federal authority needs to kind of look at what's going on there because this is a real trend. It's not just some guy that's under threat of prosecution saying, oh they suck, they should all go
Starting point is 01:18:11 to hell. This is real. This is legit. There is something going on there that's not right. There's some very disturbing facts that keep being brought to their attention because they're obviously not addressing it, which leads to the belief that it is a command atmosphere. So you just want to get the story out. You want everybody to know what happened? And maybe something will come of it. Well, I mean the sheriff was very, very, very quick to go on TV and tell everybody that the other guy was surely innocent in this case Which again applies that I'm surely guilty in this case So how is that innocent until proven guilty? He didn't even have a statement from me
Starting point is 01:19:04 Hell, they didn't even know my background. They thought I was a career criminal. So, you know, part of it is they need to do a better damn job and they need to know that. And nothing makes people do their job correctly more than public scrutiny. So thank you for having me here because this will definitely take
Starting point is 01:19:26 another big step towards bringing that light into a very dark place. I'm just sorry you're going through this man. I mean I know, but I see the physical hurdles that it's caused. And I see the emotional stress that you have from this happening and what potentially could happen. And I'm sorry man. Is there anything anybody can do to help? Well first of all, thank you again, dude. It's fucking, love you guys, both.
Starting point is 01:20:14 Thank you so much for letting me tell this story because obviously this is a lot to contend with and deal with and process. And it's kind of fucked up our whole life. But as far as what can people do, I don't know, man, I don't know who's watching. Maybe there's somebody with federal authority that can do something.
Starting point is 01:20:44 Pam and I are starting over, because like you said, we fucking sold everything so we could afford a good attorney, a real private investigator who's good at what they do. We're gonna have to hire an expert witness to prove that they fuck some shit up pretty badly when they did this so-called investigation. So, you know, anybody that can help us get real justice based on the truth and the real facts?
Starting point is 01:21:12 Fuck man, please contact me. Please contact me. You know, get to me through whatever. If there's something that you have that can legally be added to this. I'm all ears. I'm proud of that. Well done. I love you, dude. I love you too.
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