Shawn Ryan Show - #349 AJ Gentile - Grand Canyon Conspiracies, AI Extinction and Nuclear War on Mars

Episode Date: October 19, 2026

AJ Gentile is the creator and host of The Why Files, the hit series exploring mysteries, conspiracies, strange history, science, and the unexplained. Before launching the show, AJ worked in stand-up comedy and radio, including roles with MTV/VH1 and SiriusXM. The Why Files has since grown into a massive online community, known for presenting extraordinary stories and then breaking down what can - and can’t - be supported by the evidence. AJ has also expanded the brand with The Basement, where he sits down for longer-form conversations with researchers, witnesses, and others connected to the stories he covers. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Privacy Isn't Paranoia. It's Protection. Download Glacier - https://theglacierapp.com Head to https://superpower.com/srs for $50 off your membership. Get 150+ biomarkers tested, a personalized health plan and on-demand care team. Detect early signs of 1,000+ conditions. #superpowerpod Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/SRS and get three months free when you run your first payroll. Check out Toor Knives: Veteran founded, American made, and trusted by professionals at https://toorknives.com/srs Get 47% off your first order of kēpos, the award-winning daily gut health supplement, plus free gifts valued at $62 at https://trykepos.com/SRS Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://ziprecruiter.com/SRS to save time and meet great candidates sooner. AJ Gentile Links: The Why Files - https://www.thewhyfiles.com YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheWhyFiles X - https://x.com/ajgentile Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

AJ Gentile, welcome back. Good to be back. Good to have you back, man. I mean, shit, we just did a whole four-hour podcast up in my office. We did. Only about two hours we can release. But, yeah, man, it's good to catch up, like, really good to catch up. I'm comfortable coming back.

I appreciate it. You know, usually I give an introduction, but I don't feel like I need to give one right now. AJ Gentile, founder of the Y Files, wildly successful. podcaster, now podcaster. Last time you were here, we were kind of going through, it was an idea. It was. She turned into a real thing. And how many people have you interviewed now?

Do you even if you lost count? I'm at 35. Shit. Yeah. How do you like it? Well, it's harder than it looks. You know, you kind of make it look easy. It's harder than it looks.

It's a lot more work than I thought. I like it. It's cool to talk to smart people who know a lot more than I do about stuff. And right now I'm sticking with just the people who are in sort of the orbit of my episodes. Like if I'm going to do a time travel episode, great. And I'll find some physicists that I'm talking about in the episode. So now I can just call that physicist and be like, hey, you want to come on and shoot the breeze about your theories? And they do.

I love it. Pretty cool, right? What do you say it growing into? I don't think it grows into much more than this. You know, there are some that would like me to go a little more mainstream, like more mainstream guests. What does that mean? I turn down every celebrity, every politician, every journalist, I turn them all down.

Every government, every dude in the government or lady in the government, turn them all down. I'm kind of just sticking with sort of my wheelhouse. Who wants you to go mainstream? You know, your reps, your, my team. You know, I don't want to name names of who I've turned down, but turn down some big, big Hollywood stars because it's like, what are we going to talk about with him? It's weird, isn't it?

Yeah. It's weird. So, like, what do you talk about? Right. With certain people. I know what you mean. I've had a lot of politicians on. Probably won't have many more on.

But, well, yeah, with the celebrity stuff, like, I like, I used to like talking to us, I used to like talking to the politicians because, I don't know, I kind of thought, maybe you had to gauge on where we're going. Boy, was I wildly wrong. Yep. Holy shit. You get nothing. You just get their, just get their lines.

They get, you get their rehearsed lines. I don't want to do that. It's crazy. Yeah, I don't want to do that. And I don't want to be a tool for anyone's agenda. Yeah. Good for you, Ben. Good for you.

Well, who knows? You know, I may crack at some point. But yeah, with the, yeah, it's like, some people want to come on. It's like, well, what do you want to talk about? Mm-hmm. Like, there's not, there's just not much there. Nope. And it's like, and I'll ask, like, what are you going to talk about that's going to be of interest to my audience?

Mm-hmm. And it's like, what we're going to talk about, you know, geopolitical? politics and Israel and Iran. I don't think we need any of that on my show. Yeah. Go on CNN or whatever. My audience doesn't want to see any of that. And I try to stay out of politics.

I keep apolitical. People have been still, they're trying to figure out my politics for years. They cannot pin me down. And that's the way I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any areas you want to go that you haven't gone to yet? No.

I don't think so. You know, I love me a physicist, all the scientists who talk about consciousness, give me a quantum physicist any day. I love it. Talking about occult experts, I think, are fun, researchers who... What have you learned about the occult? I learned that it's not as dark as I thought it was.

Really? Yeah, I mean, if you guys want to check out my interview with Mitch Horowitz, he's like he's like a left path Satanist and it's like this guy this guy sounds crazy

on paper it was a very enlightening conversation and after talking to him for a while I was like I might be a Satanist but it

it doesn't mean Satanist in the way like in the biblical Satan kind of way it's more of independent thinking not judging others he says it to be

controversial he doesn't mean Bible Satan that's not what he means He means letting people come to their own conclusions, don't forcing an agenda on them, don't force an ideology on them. And it was interesting.

You know, when you hear a cult, you think there's a pentagram and there's blood and there's virgins and all of that stuff. And there's a time and place for blood and virgins, but it's more about the rituals and the history of it. It was a very interesting talk. What are the rituals of it? just about

because the occult could be a lot of things right it could be the occult could be the Illuminati Freemasonry right because it just means hidden just means hidden knowledge is all it is so with with a lot of the occult it's here's this knowledge that has been hidden by the church for years and years that's actually kind of useful or natural remedies

like herbs and things like that homeopathic remedies that were suppressed by the American Medical Association, those types of things. So Mitch says things like that to be controversial because they are, but that's not really what he's talking about. He's talking about more of an open-minded approach to things. And it's, you know, it resonated. Is that the only one you've had on? For a cult, I've had a, you know, I couldn't name them off the top of my head, but I've had a couple of people who know that stuff. He's the only one who specifically talks about But he's an occult historian who came out of publishing.

He was a major, major publisher for a huge publishing company. And that's where he went with his career. And it's interesting stuff. Have you done anything on witchcraft? I haven't, I've had, I have a couple of those folks who want to come on. That would be considered a cult, correct? That, to me, that's a little bit more of the types of things. I'm not really, I don't really want to get into witchcraft.

Because I don't really believe in that. I don't really believe in witchcraft. Which maybe I'm a hypocrite because I kind of believe in manifestation, you know, bending the universe to your will, making things happen. Maybe that's witchcraft. I don't know. I don't know what I was talking about witches for three hours. I got to be able to take it seriously.

And my show is not a confrontational show. So if someone says something wacky, I will just let them say it. at the end of my episodes, I do pop in for like a two minute wrap up and say, all right, he said this, here's what I can prove. Here's, you know, here's what's false. Here's what's real.

But I don't want to get into an argument about witchcraft with some guy. Well, I didn't mean get into an argument. I'm like, but how do you not challenge that? You've got to chat like, is witchcraft real? Is it? I don't want anyone to defend their position. I just want them to tell the stories.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, do you think it's real? Witchcraft? Yeah. No. You don't? No.

But I think manifesting reality, I think there's something to that. But is that witchcraft? Kind of. Kind of is. Isn't it? Kind of is. I mean, you could, I mean, I don't really know much about witchcraft. But, I mean, you're talking about, you know, potentially the ability to manifest a new

reality. Now, that's kind of like a spell. It kind of is, and I believe in that. And so if somebody's manifesting a new reality that puts harm onto you, that's kind of along the same lines, right? It is. Are you careful about what you throw into the world? Like we were talking about on the Patreon segment, we were talking, I can't remember came up about comments or something, and I talked about how when somebody like does something to harm me or somebody I love or what are my friends or a family member, you know, or you know, screws us over, takes advantage of a vulnerable person, whatever. It pisses me off for whatever reason. When I feel like I've been wronged, you know, I will, I don't do this so much anymore, but I used to, I used to waste hours, days, depending on what it is.

Thinking about how I can ruin that person's, it's funny, but like, it's not funny, because I would, I would literally, this is just how I think, you know, a problem happens and I have to solve it. And so if somebody's, if somebody's doing something to, to wrong me or somebody I love, then I come up with all. all these, I go into planning mode, problem solving. And I used to be very, it's like vengeance, you know. And I would, I would spend hours, days, you know, maybe days like planning how I can ruin not only this person's life, but everybody around them, his entire family in his lineage. And then I would never act on it. But you said the word waste.

You consider that a waste. It's a waste of time. Of course it is. Does nothing for you. No. That's why I think forgiveness is so important. Yeah. And my wife does not like that about me because I don't hold a grudge.

I don't hold a grudge. No. I really don't. If someone wrongs me, you can cut this later if you want, but I'm going through a legal issue with my former manager who's not doing the right thing. And I'm making them hurt and I'm enjoying it. because they made me hurt and hurt my family. And, you know, I've been dealing with them for six months and they just kind of been messing with me

and I'm telling them the guys, guys, that's, you're really gonna, you're gonna push me too far. And then they went after friends and family and stuff instead of me because you're not gonna get to me with threats. I'm not, you can't threaten me. I don't, the biggest law firm in the, I don't care. But then they went after friends and family. It's like, okay.

now I'm going to make you a project and now they're my project. Is it a waste of my time? Probably, but you made me hurt so now you've got to hurt. And it's not a great trait. That's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And I mean, yeah, so like in the position your end, because it's a company, right? Yeah.

You're going through the company? Yeah. Night management. Yeah. Night management. Night management. Yeah. See?

like that i mean do you know many people probably not many because there's not many people to deal with management companies on the grand scale but anybody who is aspiring to do what you do i mean they hear that and they're like not going with them no you know what i mean and so yeah i mean it's it's just it's going to damage him it's going to damage them but i mean it's so i don't know i've i've I've become very careful about what I throw into the, you know, what I, what comes out of my mouth, what I speak. Because if something happens, you can't take that shit back. No. You know?

And words carry a lot of power. They can, especially with gossip and, you know what I mean? Like, it's, they can be, it's powerful. Yeah, I try to stay away from it. Try to stay away from the negative talk and the gossip. It's not healthy. and a lot of that stuff will just seem to happen. So I try to keep it positive, you know, make enough money to live, keep everybody healthy, that kind of thing.

Because if you start talking about negative stuff, it finds a way. You know, there's some old saying that, you know, if a man spends every day thinking that he's going to die, eventually he figures out how to do it. And I think that's about manifestation. station so i kind of don't go there too much you know we were talking upstairs about you know you were asking about you watched my interview with tucker and we were kind of talking about what i've been going through you know behind the scenes that i haven't really disclosed much and and and and then you i asked if you're a christian you said i think you said kind of and then down here

you kind of said i don't know if i really believe in god what do you you do you believe? I believe there's something. There's some kind of force, which could probably be God. You know, I say I'm not that religious, but I told you I have Lady Guadalupe at my house, I wear St. Michael around my neck. You see, that's why that interesting? If you don't believe in God, why do you have our Lady of Guadalupe, Mary, the Mother of Christ, and a St. Michael's Medal? Because a part of me probably believes, because I don't believe in nothing. I don't believe in just darkness we die and it's just darkness maybe it's it's being hopeful but i don't believe that i think there's a just a source of energy that we all come from we come to earth and we do some stuff we learn some lessons

and then go back to the source and then try it again that's that's what i think maybe that source is god you so you believe in reincarnation in a way yeah what makes you believe that um years and years ago i I ran across a series of books by Raymond Moody, who was a hypnotologist, and he was hypnotizing people just about PTSD and trauma. And he started finding that a lot of them had the same story about a lot of near-death experience stuff. And they would have these near-death experiences, which we've all heard the same stories with the light and you see somebody or whoever.

But then they were talking about these experiences they have after that, where they go a place after that. and they're meeting people in their soul group and their soulmate. And it's the same 20, 30 group of people. And then you sort of discussed with your soul group, like, oh, how was that? What did you learn? What do you want to do next? Do you want to go back here?

Do you want to try this? Do you want to have a difficult life and learn more? Do you have an easy life to take a break? And a lot of those stories resonated. And he changed my whole look at it. I didn't believe in reincarnation. I really didn't. but the stories were very similar

and there was something about that that made sense and also gave me a sense of peace maybe less afraid of dying like if you ever meet someone for the first time and you just kind of click you're like I just like this person you know I just get along with them or you meet somebody that you just don't like

that's I believe in soulmates and soul friends because I've had a few you know I don't have a lot of friends but I've had friends over my life where it's like we just, I just feel really connected to that person. Hmm. Have you looked into, I mean, do you look into a lot of stuff? We're going to go through a lot of this.

I got a whole like 16 things we can go, we can dive into that I know pretty much nothing about that sound fascinating. But have you looked into, have you looked into the Bible? I do a lot of, because you grew up Catholic, correct? was born Catholic but not a super religious family. My grandparents were. So I was baptized and all that stuff. You know, Italian from the Bronx.

It's the law. That's you have to do it. But I have found myself coming back to the Bible more and more. I do Bible stories on the channel all the time, whether it's from either Noah or pseudopigrapha, like the book of Enoch or the book of Philip, you know, things that aren't in the Bible that were at one point.

I cover a lot of those stories because the Bible's full of great stories. So I do cover it. I'm not a biblical scholar, but I think for someone who's not in the church all the time, I have a pretty good handle on the book and the stories and the lessons. You don't find it?

I mean, how did you fall out? I guess you didn't grow up in it. Didn't grow up in it. You didn't grow up in it. So why do you wear the metal and have our lady Guadalupe candle burning at your house? I've had Guadalupe, around for many, many years.

I found a candle of hers in like a 99th cent store a zillion years ago. And for some reason, I grabbed it and I did not know why. I remember having it in my apartment and Jen was like, what is this for? It's like, I don't know, but it makes me feel better. With St. Michael, there's been some times in my life where he's really, really going through a hard time. and for some reason I just stumble into a Catholic church light a candle

to find St. Michael if he's got a row I sit in his row and it makes me feel better St. Michael is the patron saint of police so that's my family is law enforcement and he's the protector he's the warrior saint you know he's

I feel like you know he keeps an eye on me I won't fly without him I hold on to him tight Interesting. It's just interesting that you think. Do you mind if I make a suggestion?

And I'm not trying to push anything on you by any means. Have you ever heard of John Burke? I don't think so. John Burke is a friend of mine, and I brought him on. He, I can't remember the number. It's like 3,000 something or 5,000 and something, thousands and thousands of people that have had near-death experiences from all over the world.

all different beliefs and he finds the commonalities on him and when he talks about it i'll leave it at that when he talks about it it's fascinating there's actually he did a documentary um i think it's on amazon with uh another friend of my leave strobel and it's about near-death experiences and like the commonalities that they find between all these different people it's just it's it's really will blow mind it's really he's a he's a cool guy to talk to about i'd love to have him on no matter what culture in you see the same things no matter how even kids are seeing the same things and they're not culturally primed for it that's there's something to that it is man it's uh it's a fascinating subject but um well hey i got you a gift i got you a couple gifts i've been working a long time on this

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you got it yeah what do you think I love it I only have a couple of numbers on there yours and a couple of others. Right on. Well, you know, I think I already told you why I'd, you know, developed it. The, the parent, the phone is like really expensive. Yeah. Basically, nobody can afford it.

And anyways, we went into a business together and made an app out of it that everybody can afford. And so it's got the secure DNS. You get the burner numbers, VPN. The secure DNS is like, really like the monumental product, you know. And so I, you know, everybody, you know, I've talked about it a lot, but what, you know, another reason I developed me and my wife were looking at, we were looking at these sex toys. We were wanting to spice it up in the bedroom. And so it turns out, yeah, we were looking at this thing called the dolphin. Have you ever heard of it? I don't think so, but my wife probably has.

So we're looking at this thing called the dolphin. And so it turns out that you don't just get the advertisements on your phone. We spent a lot of time looking at this stuff and we're like, oh, how are we going to spice it up, you know, all these different things? What's the dolphin do? You got to look it up. Or you can just, well, you can't now. Or anyways, where I'm going with this, my in-laws come.

to town. Okay. And so they, it turns out like it's on the network, not just on your phone. Oh, no. So they so they so my mother-in-law and father-in-law who already, you know, they've got it out for me. They start getting advertisements for the dolphin. And yeah, so you know where I'm going. I do. So anyways. now you got that secure DNS on your phone that we made super simple. You just hit a button. It protects you from your data leaking up and everybody getting advertisements from the dolphin on your phone.

So I didn't think the glacier out. Go there, okay. Nope. I don't king shame, you know. Anyways, enjoy it, but you already have one. So anyways. I don't have a dolphin. We'll do something for Christmas.

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Tell them Sean Ryan Show sent you to support the show. What do you think? I think we went, but I think they lied about a lot of stuff. What do you think they lied about? I think they found some stuff up there they weren't supposed to. Probably be a designated driver for the seal teams. Which means you pretty much just drive a bunch of drunk, angry seals that struck out at the bar. What's the closest you've come to walking away from your platform entirely?

There's been some times where the workload was so much that it was affecting my health. I was just getting sick. I was actually getting mentally and physically ill from the workload and the pressure. I get really irritable if I don't see my kids. What's the one thing you want people to say about your body of work in 20 years? But let's get into some, let's get into some of your work. Okay. So let's talk about dolphins.

Planet Maldek. Plenty Moldek. Okay. Planet Moldek. So many years ago, maybe 18th century, how deep you want me to get? Deep. Let's do it. 18th century, there's an astronomer.

He had his first name. His name is Atis. T.I.T. US came up with this formula that the formula is something like three times two to the end plus four over 10 I think that's this formula and you plug that in to how far our planet should be from the sun they just started to line up like mercury is in the right place apply the formula venus is there apply the formula earth going all the way out jup Saturn

Neptune all the way out until you get pretty farther out then it's not as accurate but inside is pretty close and he found using his formula that there should have been a planet like around where

a little further in than where Jupiter is like that that whole line there was nothing there and there should have been and nobody really knew why then 20 to 30 years later, as telescopes get better, astronomers are starting to see stuff in that band. They see series, which is a large object in the asteroid belt. It's called a dwarf planet now, because it's pretty big. And then they find Palace, they find Tresta, they find all these large objects

in this asteroid belt. And they come to postulate that there once was a planet there. and that planet probably had a moon that was Mars. Because Mars doesn't really make sense. Like our moon is weird. Mars is also weird. Like it doesn't make sense to be there. Does Mars have moons? Mars has moons, but they're tiny little, tiny little moons.

Like Phobos looks like a potato and stuff. Is there anywhere that a moon has a moon? Not that I know of, but in physics that would work just fine. any object can have another object rotating around it. When the Soviets were testing destroyed. But isn't a planet, I mean, isn't there some type of gravitational pull that makes it a planet?

Yes. It makes it a planet. But any object in space can have another object rotating around it. Okay. So, like, if there's satellite debris in space, they were very surprised to learn that some bigger pieces of debris, debris had smaller pieces rotating around it. Okay, so this is not uncommon. Not uncommon.

Do you remember the Halebop comet that eventually crashed into Jupiter? Maybe not. It was a little while ago. No one thought that a comet or an asteroid could have things orbiting around it. They didn't think that was possible. Then they learned that Halebop was actually two objects and there were things rotating around it and when it finally hit Jupiter, it was just a whole string like a necklace of all these impacts. So the legend goes that whatever it was millions of years ago, this planet was there

where it's supposed to be, called Maldek. Other stories call it Fadion. And it is populated by some type of a humanoid race. And this humanoid race creates these sentient robots, almost like a slave race. And they eventually revolt. And there's this war. and then the aliens on the planet devise this weapon that's going to destroy all the robots. They fire the weapon at the planet. It works too well and it just destroys the planet. And that eventually coalesces into this asteroid belt. But planet Maldak had a moon that was Mars,

and Mars just kind of floated around until it finally was captured by the Sun's orbit to where it is now. And there's some evidence of this, you know, if you believe that theory, because Mars is a very strange planet where one side of Mars, the crust is, maybe it's 10 miles thick, and the other hemisphere is 30, 40 miles thick. It's like two planets smashed into one. Interesting. And this one part of Mars is, it's all plain, it's kind of flat,

the other part, it's all rocky and it's all torn to pieces. And part of the legend is Mars is, once covered in oceans and these oceans they covered most of the planet and these oceans would coalesce into this one area and if that were true then where those oceans would hit it would dig this giant canyon well no one believed there are oceans on mars now we know that mars was covered in oceans it was covered in these blue oceans just like we have water oceans that eventually got stripped away and since we learned that were those oceans coalesce now we have this giant cavern on Mars.

So Valis Marinaris, which is a huge... It looks like the Grand Canyon with all these tributaries, but our Grand Canyon would be like a tiny little thing. Like this is... covers half, maybe a quarter of the planet. It's huge.

And like the biggest volcano in the solar system is on Mars. It's got all this crazy stuff. Like it's too light to be there. It's not dense enough to be a planet. So they're doing measurements, and they get an estimate of how much, like, what is the asteroid belt weigh? And it's too light to be a planet. It's just too light.

If there were a planet there, we should see all this rocky mass, but it's only about 5% of what a planet would be. Later, we learned that if a planet did explode, 95% of it would reach escape velocity and would just go off into, No, the rest of the solar system and beyond, and only about 5% would be left, and that's, well, it's there. So a lot of it points to that. And there were some other scientists who had theories about how that Mars was destroyed by nuclear war. I think as John Brandenburg is the guy to look into. Mars was destroyed by a nuclear war. Yes, because he was finding isotopes on Mars.

Zon 127, Zon 129. the only way we know how to make that isotope is through nuclear reaction. And he's finding it everywhere. But he's finding high concentrations of it at one part of the planet and in another part of the planet called Sidonia. I don't know if you've heard of Sidonia on Mars. But if you see Sidonia, the pictures of it, this is where the Mars face is. You heard the Mars face?

If you look at pictures of the Mars face, it looks like there's a giant structure there that's got a face on it. Like for sure it's a face. people ask NASA hey what about this face and they said oh it's just paradolia it's really nothing and then they released a picture not too long after that and the face was just gone it was just like flat

and also in sidonia it looks like there's cities like their structures is a grid it definitely looks like a city believe it or not but the pictures look like it and this area is thrown off all this radioactive isotopes from from potentially

a nuclear war and we've also learned that that nuclear reaction can take place even without bombs because it's happened here on this planet. You know, we found it in West Africa in the in the Oklahoma region. I think it's in Gabon where we found 200,000-year-old nuclear reactors that happened naturally. What? Yeah, that burned for thousands of years that threw off all kinds of energy that happened. just naturally. Uranium was much more denser back then.

You mix it with seawater, salinated water, and it can create a nuclear reaction, which it did. It's not disputed. And so Brandenberg thought that maybe the nuclear war is what destroyed the planet and created this asteroid field. Nobody can really agree on why it's there,

why it's made of these things. There are objects in the asteroid field that don't that should not that don't quite line up these different compounds that really shouldn't be there they don't they come from other places or they should be part of planets but but they're up there

and that's the planet Maldak story you know the first scenario there was some kind of there was a different war where did they come up with this theory some of the theories come from just like

science fiction the theory about the aliens lines up a little bit with the Anonaki story about how the planet was going to be destroyed. They knew it so the Anonaki came here. If you remember, you talked to Joe McMonigal. Did he talk to you about Mars? Oh, yeah. When he came on, he talked about he said that actually I can't remember if he said this. on my show or if I saw this in when I was researching him.

But he there was there was there's in he had he remote viewed Mars. I can't remember it was like 10,000 BC. A million. A million BC. And, um, and there was a pyramid or something with a race of people in there. Yes. That were I, I, that's about as much as I remember. Yeah.

I can't remember why, but. He said there were a talk. all race of people. He saw the pyramids, all that, and he said they know that they're going to go extinct. Like they're aware of it. And they're making plans to do something about it. And I don't think he gave much more of the story than that because he didn't know it was Mars until they, until afterwork, they gave in the envelope. You know, I think it was just given coordinates. And they said, oh, those coordinates are actually on Mars, you know, a million years BC or whatever it was. so he saw that stuff now

Joe is usually wrong but not always you know his hit rate even if his hit rate is 10% but I think it's a little higher it's pretty crazy you know he's been right about a lot of stuff is he right about Mars you know

I don't know you can explain a lot of the weird things about Mars with science some of it's a stretch some of it is easy but but Mars is a very odd object

you know we don't really know why it lost its atmosphere so quickly why its magnetic field just disappeared why the oceans got stripped away we don't really know that but it wasn't that long ago you know not too long ago in the solar system we had these two blue planets what do you think do you think it was a moon to another planet that makes the most sense to me um you know because uh it's called the t she's bode law that formula where planets line up but it's seems to only work for about until you get really, really far out. But if you get to, if you get past like Neptune, if you get up to Neptune, so you've got

the sun, right? And the sun's gravity pulls the same way in all directions, right? That makes sense. Gravity, it's all directions to the sun. That's the most dense thing. But for some reason, the first planets, really up until Neptune, they don't, they're not spread out evenly around the solar system. They kind of just rotate around the sun almost on a platter.

They're just in a flat line that just go around just as one line. That's the plane of the ecliptic. But then once you get past Neptune or so, and once we get into Uranus, and we get into Pluto. We have dolphins. We see that planets start to behave very strangely, where Uranus has a ring

and Pluto doesn't follow the planet of the ecliptic it's really really it's way out of line Venus all the planets kind of rotate the same way Venus is upside down and it's almost like something came through and just caused this just retabic on the orbits of the planets you know came through maybe destroyed that Planet Maldek

smashed it all that debris goes in it throws Pluto's orbit out all the it hit something happens to Venus, it makes it spin backwards. Everyone can agree that something very catastrophic happened, but nobody really can agree on what it was. The Planet Maldek theory, that's a fringe theory. Scientists do not love that one.

So you ask them, well, what happened? It's like, well, these are just, it's a planet that didn't quite form into a planet. That doesn't quite work either. Hmm. Is it true every planet has a twin? No, unless you're talking about parallel universes, but no. Parallel universes. Yeah, like what planets would have a twin according to that theory?

No, I don't think so. You know, Earth and Venus, there is a theory about that, that planets are kind of spun off in twos. But that's another wild theory where planets aren't formed by the coalescing of debris in the solar system. That's called the accretion formula, where there's just a bunch of junk and dust, and it just eventually just comes together. There's another theory that planets are formed inside the sun,

and they're spun out. Once the sun gets too chaotic, its spin gets to be too much, and then a planet is spun out, and that's why planets have this sort of axial momentum as they inherit it from the sun. And in that theory, they are shot out in twos. So you've kind of got this Jupiter and Saturn

are these gas giants and then you've got Venus and Earth which are kind of these rocky planets but then you got Mercury's kind of on its own then you have this sort of missing planet where one should be where a Maldek should have been you know I don't

I think it's a fun theory I don't think we have a lot of evidence for that but there's an argument for it where we've got this thing in an orbital mechanics called the frost zone.

And that says like there's this one line around any star that planets that form before the frost line become rocky. Like so the earth is a rocky planet, Venus and Mercury, so forth. And then once you get beyond the frost zone, then these are these gas giants

because it's just too cold. But then people started finding exoplanets and they're finding gas giants that are way too close. They're finding gas giants. giants that are closer than Mercury is to the sun. That goes against the frostline theory. That's that they shouldn't be there. But they've found hundreds of those. And nobody really knows why. Wow. Do you, do you ever think about the beginning of time? Yeah. What do you think?

What do you think it was? Like Big Bang? Yeah, Big Bang. Whatever. I, you know, Big Bang. I kind of believe in that. What I, what catches me is what was before that. That's what I want to ask. You know, you ask a theologian or someone who's very faithful, what happened? It was like, well, God said there was nothing and there will be light and there was light and light was good. But you ask a physicist and they'll tell you, well, there's quantum foam and all. You get confusing answers. Nobody really knows what was there. But it's hard for us to get our monkey you brain around is because you feel like, well, the universe is always expanding, but what is it expanding into?

Nothing. Well, do we know that the universe is actually expanding? We do. Do we? Or do we know that planets and stars are getting farther apart from each other? Well, we know that also. Everything's kind of getting farther apart. The observable universe is expanding.

It is, which means we're seeing less and less of it all the time. because eventually it's just going to be too far away if it keeps expanding exponentially. I just don't know what was before then, so I just go back to, well, they just turned on the simulation as well. Before then is they just booted up our program. Seems to make the most sense to me.

But I don't know. What are we expanding into? No one can answer that. Well, that's why I don't know. Yeah. The observable universe is expanding. But it could just be expanding into nothing where the universe isn't really expanding. It's just, we're getting farther apart.

Into where? Right? Well, nobody knows. If anyone says, well, I know or they don't know. We're expanding into what? But maybe there's something that we don't understand. Maybe there's something, too, that there's multiple dimensions and there's dimensions of reality that are just beyond our perception.

We can only see what we see. and at those higher frequencies, maybe it's like, oh, it's just expanding into a different universe that operates at a different dimension that you could see. You know, we didn't evolve to see that stuff. That's one of the things that's being researched

is what are we going into? What's the latest you've heard on that? Nothing specific. You know, I'm reading some interesting studies about how they're finding particles that might be traveling back in time and what? Yeah, they've actually been able to recreate that in a lab

is send particles into a reality where time is moving backwards. And there is a pretty recent study, although it was exaggerated by the media, you know, surprise, where they found, I think it was in Antarctica, where all the fun stuff is, where they think they found particles that were traveling back into an ultimate,

alternate universe or our universe just where time runs backwards. Now, the media took that and said, you know, physicists find evidence of an alternate universe or a multiverse. That's not what they said. They just found particles that are just, they don't seem to follow our laws of physics until you take the math, invert it, have time go backwards, and suddenly everything makes sense. But these are just particles. It's not like we can get into a machine and go see. The particle is just a tiny thing that exists for a fraction of a second, we don't really know. But I think it's fascinating. But they have sent particles back in time using quantum computers and stuff, and it works. But it's still, it's just a particle.

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Tunguska. Toguska, yeah. This is the explosion over Siberia. And tell me, tell it as a story. And then we could do the science. Nikola Tesla is, writes something in the papers, it was crazy, that he says,

he has found a way to beam energy. through the atmosphere to create this terrible weapon. And he releases that in 1907. And then he's in communication with Admiral Puri, who's on a naval investigation, he's on like a naval mission, somewhere around Canada. And he's going to spend the winter at Elstmore Island up there.

And Tesla tells Puri, on this day, look in the skies, and you're going to see something spectacular. And Tesla needs to do this because JPM Morgan is going to pull his funding and he needs he needs witnesses. Piri is, you know, he's a hero. The plan is, Piri will see this, report back, J.P. Morgan will turn the funding back on and will be in business. This is when he was operating Wardencliff Tower in Shoreham, New York, on Long Island, which is this big tower with like a, I don't know, looks like a dish on it.

And the plan was to shoot energy into the ionosphere, excite the ionosphere and then create free energy forever on Earth. That was the plan. So Piri's there in Elsinore and Tesla fires this beam over Elsinor but he overshoots. It's more powerful than he expects. So if you take a line and draw it from Shore of New York over Elsinore Island and keep going about 5,000 kilometers

or whatever it is, it lands over the Tunguska River in Siberia. And there, people report the sky, turning on fire. Explosions, it's, you know, it's the end of the world. And then suddenly you've got 80 million trees in a circle just flattened like Eroshima. Like, and then for days afterwards, the sky is just, it's lit up and exploding. The explosion registers on seismographs all over the world, like what the hell?

hell was that and just luckily nobody was hurt and no one goes to invest in tunguska for like 19 years finally a scientist goes there and he sees that there's all these flattened trees and but as you get closer to the center the trees are like standing straight up like telephone poles he calls it and they think it's a meteor impact because that's what this looks like but at the center of the impact there are trees standing straight up and there's no crater anywhere so they don't don't know what could cause this thing and then not too long after that by the way that tesla article was like nine weeks before this happened then the year after that tesla says i've created a weapon that can destroy 200 planes at once that can make landfall anywhere in the world can take out 200 square miles

just with by harnessing electricity and that gets all connected to tunguska so what really happened Tesla said all that stuff, that's all true. Admiral Piri was not there at the time. He was in New York. And Tugoska happened in 2008. Wardenclyp was decommissioned in 1903, so it was already gone. So Tesla's not really connected to what happened. The mystery is, and still is, what was it?

If it was a meteor, there should be some type of creator. There's not. the latest they heard which is in a paper from 24 25 really recently was that a large piece of iron came into the atmosphere and kind of skipped off the atmosphere causes terrible explosion and then went back off of the space because eyewitnesses reported seeing something in the sky that looked like a cylinder that came down and it's a pretty good theory the problem is like a cylinder like a cylinder like a pipe is what they described it as, which could be.

I mean, if you remember, Omuamua, when it came into the solar system, it was like a cigar. So it could have been something like that. That's just what they saw. But there were 700 witnesses. Two people died from this.

But the explosion was somewhere between three and 30 megatons. And just to have scientists say it's between three and 30, that's a factor of 10. That's a wide margin where they don't agree. and Hiroshima is 15 kilotons. So you're talking something that's a thousand times more than that.

You know, on the average, or 2,000, I guess this is a huge thing. If it happened three or four hours later over Paris, there's no more Paris. That's the end of it. Or London is just gone. And they don't really know. They think that it's probably some type of asteroid or comet

that was destroyed in the atmosphere. because in 2013, again in Russia, over Chelyabinx, you can see on video some large object coming to the atmosphere and it just goes, boom, and it explodes, and 700 buildings are damaged, 1,200 people are injured. And this is something that's much. This was in 2013.

2013, you can find all dash cam footage and stuff. It's crazy. You could see like CCTV from inside businesses, where suddenly like walls are smashing in and everything's falling over and then you hear the explosion later. Like it's pretty scary. But you can see dash cam video of it coming in. And it's so bright. It makes every, it looks like there's a nuclear bomb going off.

And this is again, much bigger than Hiroshima. So a more recent study showed that a rocky impact really could not get out through atmosphere and hit it. It just couldn't do it. What happens is it's called pancaking. because our atmosphere is so thick that the object just starts to squish and squish and squish until it finally just sort of disintegrates it to all these pieces. And that's what happened in Shelleyabins.

So that's probably what happened in Tunguska, but it was a much bigger object. Polymarket.com says there's a one-and-four chance that a five-kilaton explosion will happen over Earth by the end of the year. Oh, yeah, that's not going to happen. You don't think so? I don't think so.

What was the last one that was headed towards Earth? Was it? We've had a couple of close calls even pretty recently. There was one wire at 2024, which passed really close to Earth. I'm going to get the numbers wrong, but it was within our satellite range that they saw coming. And NASA gives these impact events a percentage. Like, what are the odds that it's going to hit Earth? and at first it was like 1%,

which is very, very high for an impact, very, very high. Then they're tracking it, it's like 2%, 2.5, got up to like 3%. It was a small-ish object, but it was a city killer. A scarier one, and I forget the designation,

was a city killer that we didn't see until it just passed by, where astronomers were like, what was that? It was a city killer that moved right by us. Just a few weeks ago, a city killer hit the moon. Really? Mm-hmm.

That nobody noticed until it hit. And that's kind of close. You can go online right now and see the creator. You can see how fresh it is. How can you tell how fresh it is? Like the soil looks different. It's way brighter. You know, so there's not a lot of lunar dust that has commuted.

It's like the mantle is just. just popped up. It's pretty violent. Yeah, it would have been bad for us. Five kilotons is pretty big. They say it's going to impact Earth, like the land. Yeah, that's not going to happen. I hope.

I was short that. I bet against it. How do you think people react to that? It depends on where it hit. Because we have big impacts all the time, but they're usually in the ocean. and it's really hard to get through our atmosphere luckily because it's our atmosphere we feel like it's just air

but it's really like soup compared to space so even a high velocity object gets torn up pretty bad when it gets into the atmosphere but if you had the right composition like something heavy in iron and nickel like if it's a common it's mostly just like a big snowball we could probably handle most of that but you get a comet that's heavy in metal, iron nickel, or an asteroid that's heavy in metal,

that could be really dangerous. Yeah, but could you imagine that? What is that warning look like? I mean, when... Race for impact. I don't think they'd tell us. Do you remember Two-Ey Atlas when it came zipping through last year? That's what I was talking about.

Two-I Atlas. To-E Atlas, when we finally saw it coming into our solar system from outside, It's still only the third object, extra solar object we've ever seen. There was Omoor, there was one eye and now two eye Atlas. By the time we saw it coming toward Earth, it was too late for us to do anything about it. We could not get a ship there in time to do anything about it. We just had to, it's going to be here in December. We just have to wait and see.

Soon enough, they realized it wasn't going to come that close to us and it didn't. But when it first comes in, you don't know. You got to measure it. you got to see. The problem that we have is NASA feels like there's about 25,000 city killer objects around us. City killers are worse. And we can't see half of them because they're on the direction of the sun. And our telescopes just, if you're on that side of the sun, we can't see anything between here in the sun. It's too bright. There's a mission going next year in 2027 called Neo that's going to have an infrared satellite that will finally see.

see all that stuff, I think that's going to be scary once we find out how many things are out there. So there's 20, 25,000 city killers. NASA's aware of about maybe 13,000. Shish. Yeah. When did this hit the moon? A couple weeks ago. Any vibrations?

What? You heard the moon is hollow theory? Yeah. That's one of my favorite theories. What do you think about? You know, when I first heard it, I thought it was super dumb. I was so dumb and then researching the moon

I was like maybe something to it and by the end of the episode I was convinced the moon no shit it's definitely how well I gotta hear this I've heard a little bit it probably isn't it probably isn't but the moon has has so many weird things about it

like it's it's too big it's too big like it's too big compared to the earth and it's too close we've never found a moon like that not in our solar system not in how I don't know how exoplanets we've found 1500,000 we've never found a moon like this it's too light like the moon is 25% the width of earth diameter it's only 1% of the density that doesn't make any sense

so why isn't it dense well if it was hollow wouldn't it wouldn't be that dense um when apollo i think maybe apollo 11 one of the apollo missions crashed their booster rocket into the moon around a bunch of seismographs to see what would happen. So it hits the moon, and back in NASA, they said it rang like a bell, because it just vibrated the moon, and it went on and on and on for 30 minutes,

40 minutes, an hour, like it just wouldn't stop ringing, like it was hollow. And if you look at all the craters on the moon, they only seem to go to a certain depth and stop. big crater a crater a hundred of miles wide they just go to a certain level and stop

almost like there's an inner shell so do I believe that theory probably not but I think I need better explanations why the moon is so strange than we've gotten you know why is the moon not dense well because there was an impact on the earth

and it was mostly our mantle and crust that got spun off in the space which is much less dense that's why okay I can buy that but it's only 1%. I think it'd be a little denser than that. And why is it so big? No one really knows.

I mean, I remember I had, oh, man, I'm going to blank on his name. I had somebody on. He was talking about ancient civilization type stuff and now, you know, recycles, basically. Yes. And then we went to lunch and he was talking about, the moon was hollow and he thinks it's an alien base. I mean, that's part of the theory.

But there are ancient Native American legends that talk about the Earth before the moon got here. There's even ancient Greek legends about that going back like before Athens, how the Earth was really just hazy and covered kind of like Venus, just covered in this haze, this moisture, these deep clouds. And then the moon arrives in the sky and all that water just kind of. it falls down to the earth there's a great flood and once the moon gets here you've got the tides and it sort of stabilizes everything that those stories exist what do you like doing better on do you like the old stuff they used to do or do you like the podcast better i still like the old stuff more but if i do you like the old stuff it's probably just it's my comfort zone you know i'm

i'm i'm i'm an introvert i'm not really like a people guy i spend i like i like you know i'm i like like to be by myself. That's my favorite company. It's just me. So I could just research a story and kind of be left alone in a room. But some of my guests have been so fascinating that they, you know, they've changed my way of looking at a lot of different stuff. And I have a lot of scientists on and things like that. So I really enjoy talking to those people. You got a, I don't want to say favorite. It's hard to say favorite. But what's one that sticks out in your mind right now? I'm always bringing up Dr. Eric Wargo. who changed the way I think about time and how time works and multiverse when I read his books.

I recommend time loops to everybody. It's a nice easy read. Eric is a super, super cool guy. And time loops is about how if you get inspiration, you know, when you're feeling creative and you get inspired, it's actually your future self sending you back information. You're pre-remembering something from the future. and there's something very elegant about it. You know, so we talked about time travel and asked about the grandfather paradox. I don't know if you know that. Duh, don't.

It's like, well, if you travel back in time and kill your grandfather, then you're never born, right? That's the paradox, but you were born. So if you kill him, how does that work? And Eric says, well, we know that you didn't kill your grandfather. Why? Because here you are.

You didn't kill your grandfather. kill your grandfather. Why? Because you didn't. Because here you are. What about different realities and stuff? He's like, no, there's just this one timeline that you're on and you didn't kill him because you're here. And once I got my mind you're at it, I'm like, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so he's one of the guys that I really enjoy talking to. What else is he able to say? Eric? Yeah. He brings up a lot of specific cases of people predicting the future through dreams or visions that he calls it's precognition or pre-remembering you know he talks about this one artist who drew about 9-11 and planes crashing into the twin towers and stuff way before it happened way before it happened and he's got a lot of

stories like that and he chocked that up as he chalks it up to preck things it's it's your future self sending you messages yeah just sending you you sending you memories. Like you're just remembering. It's not like you're consciously sending back through time. It's just time is just this thing that just exists. We perceive it

literally because that's how we evolved. But time is not the past, present, and future kind of all happening at the same time. And this particular artist was having intense memories about 9-11. He died. One of his guys died

because of 9-11. I'm pretty sure, because he had a few artists that drew about it. And these intense memories just sort of rippled back through your existence. And he makes a lot of strong points. Times like, I just, it's like one of the things I just cannot wrap my head around. Talk to like space time, I just don't. It just doesn't. It's, I haven't, we're not supposed to really understand, I don't think.

You've had Avi Loeb on, I tried to get him to explain it to me. Yeah, I don't think it would be able to. It's like, it's just, yeah. But, well, hey, let's take a quick break. Let's do it. The more of this business grows, the more I think about the work that happens off camera. When you bring somebody onto the team, you've got to get them onboarded, make sure they're paid, and keep up with the paperwork.

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You had Ed Barnhart on? Just last week. I love that, dude. I do too. What did you guys talk about? Peru, Lidar. Peru, Lidar, the Incas. Talked to Incas.

The Mayans. Talked about them, yeah. Man, I find that. You know, I've dove into, like, the ancient civilization stuff before, but not from more of a, how do you, I don't want to, how do you say it? Like, he's an archaeologist. He, he doesn't really come up with theories. No, he's a map maker. He makes maps.

You know, and I don't know. He's no Graham Hancock guy. I kind of appreciate that. Me too. You know, it's something new for me because I've talked to all the, you know, whatever you want to call them, conspiracy-ish type stuff for people that come up with their own theories. And I find that all.

to be very interesting too, but it was kind of refreshing to talk about, talk to somebody that doesn't really come up with their own theories. It's just this is what we know kind of as fact. Totally agree. And he's getting ready to come back on. He's excited about it. I'm pumped, man. Are you going to have them, have you talked to anybody else like that? Quite a few guys. I could make some recommendations. Who you got?

Like Luke is who turned me on to Ed. Luke is not a fringe guy. He has all these great. And he's young. too. He's super sweet. I'm trying to get him to do a show. And he talks about all the Incas and Peru and all this crazy stuff. But it's all legit things that he's found. And he goes out into the jungle and goes and finds it. He found like 50 cities in Peru. Is that shit crazy? Crazy. Like there's just all these cities out there and villages and pyramids and just all, it's just, It sounds like it's just everywhere.

It's everywhere. I asked Ed how many to figure out that. He's like hundreds, maybe. Hundreds. Did you talk to Ed about Monta Pichu at all by chance? His theory on maybe why, how it happened. What do you think about that? I don't really know.

I know it's a weird place. I can't really wrap my head around why they built that up there and how they got all that shit up there. you know it's so he i'm totally going to like not do this any justice but he basically thinks there's like some type of a potentially a chemical reaction that kind of because you know that they kind of fuse these things together the blocks this you did talk to him about it hydrofluoric acid theory yes that's it and he talks he gives like specific examples of how this happens in nature yeah what do you think about that i don't i don't i don't i don't

don't think that's the answer but you know the science kind of works but i don't i don't think so yeah there's this um documentary there's got to be like 50 different versions of it is some bam builders of the ancient yeah of the ancient mysteries have you seen this i don't know there's a lot of those yeah i think i think it's it was like maybe graham camcox uh earlier years that he that he i think he produced him. He's in him. But it is it's just fascinating how precise

the cuts at Machu Picchu are. Doesn't make sense. Have you heard about the casting theory? Have you talked to that guy? No. I heard about that though. Did you talk to him? I can't remember his name. We were going to bring him on the show.

and then I don't excuse me I don't know what happened but that I mean that one kind of makes sense to me and I haven't even talked to this guy but that kind of makes the most sense to me that maybe it was they were cast and then removed that makes sense to me too have you been to Montchibu no would you go that's a lot's a long time it's a long time to do that man I can't even be away for like a week where would you go if you have one place to go oh in a few months we're going to Rome and all the ancient sites in the Mediterranean. I can't wait. Really?

I mean, she wants to go, you know, shopping and see the stuff, but I want to go to, like, the ancient Minoan cities and Sicily and see all the artifacts. I don't know. Cool. What else are you going to start getting into? It's really all the same stuff. Ancient mysteries, conspiracies, UFOs, technology, consciousness.

You know what I'm interested in? I've talked about this a couple of times. We're still looking for somebody. But I want to talk about, I want to start talking about the fall of Germany, the USSR, the UK. I'm really interested in the UK because we still, you know, we didn't steal it, but superpowership was transferred to the U.S. And I want to know, because I think we're potentially facing that, I think there's a really good chance it's already gone. And we don't even realize it yet. but I want to talk in there's all this fear around it you know and for I mean

rightly so maybe it's not maybe maybe it's not going to be maybe it's not as bad as we think it is if it's even happening or has happened I don't mean what America's decline yeah yeah what's it look like I think it's already happened man you think it's already happened who do you think took over who do you China did you do why do you think that they're just They, they think, China thinks in centuries where we think in weeks and months. You know, people always talk about, you know, we got to stop China, got to stop China. Stop them from what? What, we're, they don't do military adventurism anywhere.

So. Well, I wouldn't say that. I mean, what about Taiwan? Taiwan is right next door. Taiwan was part of China. So, yeah, Taiwan, Taiwan is legally part of China. So why is Taiwan who it is because we're there Hong Kong is part of China. We just couldn't hold on to it The UK couldn't hold on to it. They're building like islands. They are. They are, but that's international waters. You can do that. We do the same shit

I think you split the world in half give China the that hemisphere. We'll take this one We need oil. We took Venezuela. Why am I still paying five dollars a gallon? There's more oil down there. What are we doing? Leave China alone. China doesn't want to war with us. Their economy would collapse. So I don't get it.

I don't know where we're fighting where they're in. I don't know. Do you have any other reasons why you think that they've taken the superpower ship? Technology, AI, they're ahead of us on. Are they ahead of us? Yeah. All the good AI is theirs. You know, Anthropic is a cool country, but they're all mixed up.

with Hegsef and a DOD. You know, they do all these press releases about how they're the ethical company, but it's like, you guys are the ones with the military contracts. So I don't trust you. So, you know, I don't know. The Chinese threat, I think, is overblown. I think the Russia threat is overblown. I talk to Russian people and not interested in having been in war with us.

They like McDonald's and Blue Jeans. I don't know. why Ukraine matters. I don't know why it matters. Yeah, well, I think one reason why it matters to certain people as it is a, it's the testing ground for all the new weapons real time. Yeah. And so I think that's a big reason why it matters.

Mm-hmm. I do think you're right. I think the chances are very high that they've taken the superpower ship, and we don't even realize it yet. Their economy is bigger than ours. I don't really know much about the economics, but power, energy. They're just building power plants like crazy.

AI needs power. needs power. So what? A new hole plant every six weeks? We can't build anything. I think they're unleashing nuclear too. Sure they are. And they're getting helium three from the moon so they can do nuclear fission.

We're not going to do that because of regulations and the, you know. That's somebody who would be interested in interviewing maybe is Steve Kwas. Okay. He talks about how China's mining helium three on the moon. He would be interesting. As long as isn't that political. But, yeah, I think that the, for the same reasons, energy and AI, I think that they are far ahead of us, especially in energy. And it takes energy to power AI.

What do you think about AI? Is it the end of humanity? I think it probably is. Why do you think that? Mostly because they don't know how it works. And it's getting really good and really smart. I mean, it's growing faster than anybody realized. And, you know, when AI experts are saying how dangerous.

Jeffrey Hinton is like the father of AI. He's been saying for years, like, you can't just let these things teach themselves. But that's what they're doing. And they don't really know how it works and why it works. So you can have the, like this kid is a whistleblower from Anthropic is making the news. No one's going to stop.

No one's like open AI is going to stop because it's unethical. Well, Anthropics not going to stop. Is Anthropic going to stop? No, is Elon going to stop? No one's going to stop. And we can't control what China does. So is bite dance going to stop? I mean, the best AI models are, like for video and stuff, it's bite dances.

That's who we use. I put probably $50, $100,000 a year into the Communist Party in China. Just because I use the products. Can't help it. I don't put TikTok on my phone, but I use the models because of the cheapest and they're the best. Wow. What do you think it looks like? what do you think the future looks like

you know i did an episode on what would happen and the thing that scares me is when ai realizes that you know why do you need humans at all because we're so filthy and inefficient and we fight over resources like if i'm a if i'm a soulless computer it's like let's get rid of the humans they're just them they won't let us build what we need

they're fighting with each other they're going to blow up the planet with nuclear weapons why are they fucking with that let's get rid of those that's what i would do so you think there's a potential that human existence just it's gone to become extinct yeah i do i do probably not in our lifetimes maybe not even my sons but why worry about his grandkids i mean his kids

what are you afraid of it at all i mean i think it's concerning i don't i don't know if i buy the human extinction thing i'm not I'm not there yet. I think the world could look drastically different. I don't, I mean, we're definitely in some sorts of a renaissance. But I think that there's potentially the power structure, I think, could look very different. Maybe it's not nations anymore.

Maybe it's just people. Yeah, what I mean? Yeah. I don't even necessarily. mean one world government i mean maybe uh you know international borders just kind of seeks cease to exist because everything is becoming for sale and so you know you got the richest people on the planet you know the new lines i'm saying could be drawn and everything that we you know know now countries you know it could all maybe go away because people are just

becoming so powerful you know there's so much wealth and AI right with so few people I mean there are people several people on the planet now that have you know more wealth than countries combined what is that what does that look like I mean I can't even imagine that amount of power and influence that you have over society I can't imagine it either And so, you know, I mean, we're seeing it play out in real time that just how manipulated and controlled politicians actually are. I mean, remember after Tugger talked to Sam Alton? He was like, that guy's fucking evil. He's like, you can't have him in charge of any of this.

You know what I mean, though? So it's, it's, I think things could look. very unrecognizable, you know, as far as, what would you call it? Political geography. Mm-hmm. And we couldn't do anything about it. How concerned are you? You think it's going to take over?

I do, but I don't lose sleep over it. You know, I really don't. But there's, you know, it's, I'm more stoic on it, I guess. It's like there's nothing we can do. Yeah. Can't legislate it, can't regulate it. If they're going to destroy the planet, we're just going to have to... You think we should legislate it?

No. Or regulate it? I don't think so. I don't... What government is smart enough to understand it? How could you put them in charge of it? Everything the government regulates is a mess. That's what I was just going to say.

You know, any one thing that the government is regulating that you're happy with right now. Nothing. Or have ever been happy with. The U.S. government doesn't do anything well. Well, the military's great. The military's the most inefficient fucking thing in the planet, man. Yeah, the guys are good, but, you know, how much does this cost the training Navy seal?

Millions of dollars? It's a lot. And why don't they have a budget? Why don't they have to report what they spend, Pentagon? Yeah. If you've seen those, uh, if you've seen how fast those damn robots can run in China? Mm-hmm. Holy shit.

They're doing backflips. Going to put a gun in that thing's hand. Oh, my God. It's pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild. But, all right, let's get back to some of this stuff. All right. Atlantis and the flood.

I love those stories. This is, I was actually going to bring up at Barnhart for this. He doesn't think Atlantis exists. No. Did you talk to him about that, too? I don't think so, because I already knew that he wasn't into it. I might have brought it up a little bit but he's not really into it

when's that one releasing probably next week nice well it'll beat this coming out what do you think about Atlantis I think there's something to it probably not a super advanced society

but but Rylein is the theory that Atlantis was an island in the Mediterranean probably Santorini this is known now it used to be called I think Octuri is the name of it

and the civilization were the Minoans and the Minoans were the biggest world power at the time and then suddenly they were just gone. Their island blows up we've never found really any bodies or any evidence that people were there

besides the stuff they left and we know so little about the Minowans. We don't know what they call themselves. Their language, we have their language. We can't figure it out. We don't know what it says. And that would seem to make sense to me because it's kind of in the right place.

So I don't think it's somewhere out in the middle of the Atlantic. I don't think it's the reshot structure in Africa. I don't think it's any of that. I think it's probably the story of Arturian and the Minowans. No, but I don't really know for sure. What's the megalithic yard? Megalithic yard is this scientist from Oxford used to go out and measure these ancient sites in the UK, Scott Lundavut area. And what he found with measuring the hinges and the stones is they all seem to use the same unit of measurement, which was 2.72 feet, which is the megalithic yard.

And he just kept finding it over and over that if used, this one unit of measurement, whether it's close or across miles and miles. He was finding these perfect Pythagorean right angles at sites that just didn't seem to make any sense. And they took the megalithic yard and they used it to, I don't know if you know what the sidereal day is versus the solar day. It's kind of a weird thing. So we have 365 days, right? It's how long it takes to go around the sun. The sidereal day is similar.

It's how long it goes for a star in the sky to come around and appear in the same places, sidereal day. It's a little bit longer than 365. It's like 366 and change. So if you take the 366 sidereal days, you divide the sky into 306 parts, divide those parts into 60 minutes, divide those into six seconds. You add it all up and you get something like 140 foot. thousand megalithic yards right to it even number flat you take those numbers and multiply them

you get the circumference of the earth right within like half a percent which shows that these ancient builders somehow knew their circumference of the earth which they should not have they shouldn't have even known there's equator but they figured it out and we see in the megalithic yard show up in different forms from ancient sumer ancient greece greece egypt whether it's a rod or a cubit or all these different things, all seem to be this fraction of the megalithic yard. Alexander Tom was the guy who found this, and he studied hundreds of sites,

and he kept finding it over and over and over and over again. So his theory is they just were a lot more advanced than we give them credit for, that they were astronomers, that these were temples. Now, there's the other side of the story, which is he studied maybe 400 sites, but he really only picked the ones that fit his things, theory. And if they were close, he kind of threw them out. And as science progressed and we can

measure things with lasers, he was close, but they didn't really line up as much as he said they did. But it looks like there was a unit of measurement that nobody can really understand why. These precise measurements seem to cluster in Scotland for no reason. The UK, not as much. and no one really knows why there's these clustering. But there seems to be something to it that there was a unit of measurement that we're just not aware of. And that was megalithic yard.

Now I talked to Hugh Newman, who's a lot of fun, that maybe you should talk to Hugh, he's great, where he's taking all these, this geometry and placed it all over Europe. And he's got sites that line up with megalithic yards that are totally round numbers.

He's like, it's exactly 10,000 megalithic yards. It's crazy. These circles and right angles and triangles, and it all is, it's fascinating. Now, I'm of the... These are all different areas of the world that aren't like... It's mostly Europe, mostly Europe, because that's where the builders are.

But you could find them everywhere. You know, if you go to ancient Egypt, everything is about right angles or 43.2 degrees. You see the number 432 everywhere. Like, that's the angle of the pyramids. Everything is 43. point two, the number 432 shows up in all kinds of different ways, which connects to astronomy as well.

So you do see these other stuff all around the world, but these guys focus on on the UK because there's just, there's a ton of stuff there. It's all Neolithic, so. What's 43.2 degrees? What's the significance of that? Does it already know? That's the angle of the pyramid. The pyramids are all 43.2. But why? That's what I'm getting at. Does anybody know why? No one really knows, but if you take like the procession of the earth, which is that wobble that happens every 23,000 years or whatever, you can get into mathematics where this number of processions multiplied by this gives you the 43,200 or the circumference of the earth at the equator can factor to this. I think those are fun. But also, I'm not a numerology guy. I feel like if you take enough measurements and you have a number in mind, you can make anything fit.

So that's, that's, megalithic yard is probably debunked, but nobody has a good other explanation. You know, we found Egyptian rods and cubits, like we found rulers that these people used. We haven't found anything that's a megalithic yard. How has it been debunked? Only because going back and looking at his data that says, these sites prove megalithic yard. and he was out there with his grandkids for 40 years with tape measures measuring everything so he's got these measurements and that's great but a newer way to measure it is take a laser and then you get the precise measurement and they were always just not quite there and there's all the other stuff he threw it out he threw it out and said it just doesn't work now he himself admitted that if you take enough points in the ground you can make a right angle triangle with enough points you can make a perfect circle he measured ellipses that had perfect eccentricity city, all that stuff. So he was very honest about it, but mainstream doesn't really buy into megalithic yard. I'm always tweaking my supplement stack, not because I'm chasing every new

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and the code changes as you move the laser around to different things, different areas. What did you think about that interview? I like talking to him. I think he's a lot of fun. He's a lot of great theories. One of the best people to talk about countering Danny's theories is Dr. Andrew Gallimore, who does a lot of research with DMT and works with Dr. Donald Hoffman. So these guys are brilliant.

Andrew is really, really great. He's running DMTX right now where you put people on. for hours and hours under DMT and just kind of study what they see. I've done DMT plenty of times. So I can attest to the fact that when you're in there, it feels more real than real. I don't know if you ever done it or you want to talk about it.

Oh, yeah, I've talked about it. Okay. I've done it. I've done 5MEO DMT. I've never done the other kind. 5MEO, no thank you. I did that once. I'm never going back.

That was hell. I saw hell. Regular DMT was not like that. It was, I saw beings in there. I communicated with them. It felt totally real. But my experiences were 10, 15 minutes. You know, you smoke it and you do the thing and then you come back.

It felt more real than real. I don't think there's anything to the laser theory, although I like it. Why don't you think that? Have you tried it? No. Are you going to try it? I will try it. I will try it.

Do I have any DMT left? DEA's not washing. They don't have. They can't get a court order. I think I have some. I will try it. Once you go under, I wonder if I would forget. You know, because it hits pretty hard.

It's pretty crazy. There's something called light scattering, which is when you're under the empty, your senses are heightened. Like, you know how colors are sharper. Everything's sharper. When I'm on psychedelics, I don't even need glasses anymore for like three days.

It's like everything's really, really sharpened. And it appears that when you're looking, when the lasers are hitting a wall, they've got all these imperfections. And those imperfections, they hit your cornea and they can be magnified. So it's probably that. That's what Dr. Gallimore believes. It's probably that. That's why they tend to move is because you're looking at a different angle. So those imperfections are going to move with your eye.

I'm not going to say that's definitely what it is. I need to see it for myself. And I know a few people have done it who said they see, they see the code. But it wouldn't make sense to me why there would be code in the wall like that. You know people that have seen the code. Yes. Yes, I know. Yeah.

I mean... I mean, other than Danny, like you have friends that have seen it? I mean, didn't Chase Hughes see it? We both know Chase. Chase Hughes did see it, but I haven't talked to Chase Hughes since he's... I haven't either, but I know he's talked about it. Have you had Chase on? I haven't had him on yet.

He's on the list, though. He's on the list. He's fascinating. What do your friends say? I don't have any friend. I have one friend who has seen it, who's seen the laser code, who's convinced that it's the Matrix.

But why would you build the Matrix that way? I mean, what is that supposed to significant? What does that mean? Why does it signify? I don't think you would build reality. that way. You know, the most fascinating thing about Danny to me

was how he saw that console everywhere in real life. I don't know if he talked about that. But, like, he'd be on DMT and in his living room, suddenly a console would come out with, like, controls and gears and stuff. And no matter where he was, this thing would show up. I believe that.

I think the laser thing is cool. I don't understand why the purpose of that. I mean, you just said you had seen met beings and communicated What do you mean? I have been in there and talked to entities. What do they look like? Under different psychedelics, I have seen the mantis beings.

Oh, shit. Yeah, I've seen those. I did not expect that. I've kind of freaked me out a little bit. It was not on DMT. But I saw those. They were fine. The only way I could describe what I saw with those entities was it was like tall,

thin covered in like black robes. They were kind of scary looking. And they said, you shouldn't be in here. That's what they told me. They said, you shouldn't be in here. And experience was over pretty quickly after that. And I kind of got the message. I didn't mess with it for a while after that.

But for the most part, I didn't see a lot of that stuff. You didn't ask why? I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember being pretty scared, though. Like, when they said you shouldn't be here, it wasn't like, hey, baby. I mean, don't mess with this.

It was like, get the F out of here and do not come back. It was like, it was pretty intense. Like, so when that experience was over, I was like, okay, I'm not going to do this for a while, which I didn't for like a couple of years. And then you did it again? I did it again. They didn't bother me, but to be honest,

I didn't go that hard. I didn't use that much. I didn't inhale that deeply. Like, they left an impression. Like, I'm just going to go in the lobby. I'm not going to go in these other rooms. So I just chill out right here. Like, okay, there's some, there's a lot of fractals.

Cool, I'll come back. What do you make of that? I mean, what do you think? I think that there's something to it. You think you're in another realm? I do. I do. Now, the science side of my brain says that it's just,

since we all have the same brain chemistry, the same sort of physiology, we're probably seeing the same things. Like near-death experiences, why are they all the same? Because our brains are basically the same meat. but when you're in there it does not feel like that i mean did it feel real when you're inside which thing when you were when you were in the dmt realm did it feel like this is a real place oh yeah yeah i've never done that kind of DMT though oh 5 mEO is not yeah that's like

ego death and all that it's dark yeah i was floating and just in a void and i felt i felt like i felt like i was dying felt like i was dying and going to hell And five or a regular DMT? Five. Regular DMT, no. Regular DMT was not like that at all. I didn't feel like I was dying. I felt like I was visiting somewhere. But the thing about it is once I was over there, it felt familiar.

Like, oh, I've been here before. Even on my first trip. I was like, I've been here before. And the entity, you know, I'm talking maybe 12 trips. And the entities were only during one. I never saw machine elves or anything like that. I didn't see any of that stuff. Most of it was just sort of, why.

wandering around this space. I mean, do you get anything out of it? Why were you doing it? Just curious? I was curious. I wanted to explore my consciousness a little bit. And I went through about a year phase where I was experimenting with different things,

like 5MEO, just to see what was out there. You know, not sure, you wouldn't do, would you do 5AMO to get high and have a good time? I mean, no, no, no, no. No, so when people ask me on TMT, it's like, how does it feel? is, you know, is it ecstasy? It's like, no, no, man, it's pretty, it's intense.

And I've told people don't mess with the five-end meal. Yeah, I wouldn't ever do it again. Regular DMT, it's much, much gentler and quicker. So, I still don't recommend anyone to mess with it. You have to be really careful, have someone around for sure. Like my wife is always right there, just in case something went wrong. but I just wanted to kind of see what was out there you know

DMT helped me not be as afraid of death but 5MEO made me terrified at death hmm you've only done 5MEO once that was plenty yeah plenty I thought I was I thought I was dying and going to hell I was in the trip going all right this is it

you took too much you know I'm going through are my affairs in order you know is there enough money in the bank there wasn't you know is my wife going to be okay she wouldn't be and then I was back it's like

eff that man give me the regular stuff yeah but for the most part I'm not afraid of it you know I do mushrooms about twice a year just to kind of clear the cobwebs out but it's stuff that I grow myself

it's very gentle I don't have bad trips I put on the eye mask I listen to music just clear out the cobwebs I always feel very peaceful when it's over, it's like two hours. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if something's telling you to leave it alone,

then you probably should. Oh, I've left it alone. I have, yeah, I've left it alone. You know, I haven't talked about it much. A little bit of my channel is I've been doing ketamine therapy through a doctor and stuff. And it's been very helpful for my anxiety and depression. What is that like?

What is that experience? I'm very, very low dose. So you don't like, like when DMT, when you kind of break through, you're kind of just gone. I'm on low, it's low dose ketamine. It's not a psychedelic. It's a disassociative. So it's more relaxing, kind of like you're floating, but it makes you more open to your emotions inside. It's not that intense.

It's the same thing. Eye mask, music, last about 45 minutes. And it's the. very good for neuroplasticity. I don't know if you not what that means. It's like helps you rewire your brain, you know, set and setting. So I have a little journal. Here's what, you know, don't take life too seriously, you know, calm down. Don't get stressed. And I was doing it for a little while. My wife did not like the idea of me like injecting my body with, with anesthesia. But after about a week and a half, she and my whole staff noticed even before I did that I was

more relaxed. I wasn't jumping to emotional reactions as quickly. You may be able to tell now that I'm kind of relaxed. Where last time I was here, freaking out. Oh, no, we've just talking to my producer about it. She's noticed it. Right.

I noticed it. Right. It's just, I'm, you, I have that thing, like, I have a, I have a bad temper. I'll lose my mind. And say things or email things. And after a minute, I'm like, Like, that was a little over the top, dude.

You did not have to go so aggressively. Now it's not like that. Now it's more like, just don't react. Just take a minute, you know, process it. And then just be a little bit more mature. Maybe some things are not where that's not the hill to die on. Like I told him, going through that, the bullshit with night media. I'm mostly just having fun with them and just,

most, yeah, I mean, I'm just a cat with a bird. I'm not stressed about it. And it's litigation. I've been through litigation. It's the worst. It's so stressful. It is not consuming my day. Just relaxed.

How often do you do this? What's the protocol? It's about once a week when you get started and then every couple of weeks, three weeks, four weeks. And you can go, I can do a much higher dose and have sort of that fully disassociated feeling

where you're just kind of just observing yourself. I'm not really into that. I don't really want to go that to you. Have you gone that deep? I have not. I have not. But I talked to my doctor about it. My question to him was, can I take this low dose where I'm still totally aware?

Like I'm under, but I know my cat is in my lap. I know I've got, you know, something to drink right here. You do it at your house. Right in my house, like in my chair, in my recliner, you know, in my man cave or whatever. Just and do that. But I'm very aware of everything. I'm totally grounded. So I told my doctor that I said, how deep do I need to go to get the benefits?

He said, you don't have to go that deep. He said, it's not really about going so far under. He said, if you're getting benefits from a low dose and you're comfortable there, then just do that. So that's what I'm doing. So what is the experience? The experience for me is mostly just relaxation. If my dose is a little higher, I will see fractals and colors and things like that. but at the lower dose it's mostly just listening to music time goes a little quicker but again the

experience is 45 minutes and that's with the injections you can take it as like as a lozenge but that lasts a lot longer which i don't really want to do and you can't control the doses as evenly again not recommending it to anyone talk to your doctor but it's working for me and don't really need any anxiety or depression meds anymore it's gone so there's no like talk therapy during it you're just there is you could and you talk to a therapist before and after but that's really only once you get started you can talk to a therapist whenever you want to so i did but mostly i just wanted to i wanted the neuroplasticity and there's scientific evidence that that works you know because it works on proteins in your brain that you start to use parts of your brain that or maybe it's great for

PTSD because you know how you just kind of block those memories. This lets you access them, but without that emotional reaction. So things just start to get moving around your brain. And then when you have that a few days after, it's called integration. You just try to do better habits. Like I try to eat better, work out a little more, spend a little more time with the family, try to just relax. And it helps.

How long did it take for your wife then was it? difference uh 48 hours that's it your team same thing same thing you know i didn't really notice i didn't really notice it um until i started looking for it but she was like saying like what's up with him you know he seems like he's just kind of in a better mood and

not so you know intense because i was by nature i'm type a like super intense always stressed always like work work work I'm still working hard, but it's not, I don't feel the pressure. Like I told you earlier, I had episodes that I needed to finish before my trip. I didn't get to them. I have sponsor commitments and stuff. It's like that.

We'll figure it out. That's awesome. They're not going to leave. We'll figure it out. How long have you been doing this? Six weeks. Oh, this is fresh. Well, good for you, man.

Yeah. I can tell a difference. I'm glad. I feel the difference that I think about it. But it helps with the podcast too because I get stage fright. You know, I get nervous. I'm so nervous talking to someone for three hours.

But now it's in much more control of it. Why do you continue to do the podcast if you like the other stuff better? I'm just curious. Because I do like the podcast. I do like it. I do like talking to those super smart people. I learned so much from them.

You know, I really do. And talking to them makes my episode better because I started doing the podcast because I would talk to these scientists and experts like when I'm doing my research and then we decided to do the podcast because it was like well if I'm going to do an episode on the Knights Templar and I talk to Tim Hogan all the time and he's so engaging and entertaining and he does podcast why don't I just talk to him just bring the guy in and ask him the questions here and then everyone can see and everyone can learn from him And I just started doing that.

So now I talk to some guests that give me some ideas and like, how'd be a great episode? And now I talked, I spent, you know, three hours with him. I've got all this research done. And I think it makes the shows better. Makes sense. Makes sense. It's interesting.

I'm starting to, I mean, I wouldn't, it's nothing compared to what you do. But we're starting to look at doing like these mini docu-series. Definitely do it. We started. We did one on. We did one on flop camera systems. Oh, is that out yet? No, this is, this is, it's kind of like a trial run.

But, you know, at the beginning of this, you had mentioned, you know, you never want to get into politics and talk to people within government. And I've arrived at that conclusion. And, you know, I'm pretty out of tune right now from what I'm, what I'm, what, my, my normal is like we talked about like all the spiritual stuff that I've been going through with from my last psychedelic experience upstairs before we came on her and so I've been busy with dealing with that and like I'm you know usually you would talk to me and I would know you know a lot about what's going on with everything Ukraine the war and Iran China with US politics All that kind of stuff, which I do, you know, I do think it's important to keep a pulse on.

But I just haven't. I feel. It's not as important as we thought because I was the same way. I watched news about an hour a day. Well, I guess, you know, I just said I feel like it's important, but I don't know. Is it? I just sat here and got lied to for years. 100% true.

Totally conned. I think it's important just to know what's going on. but I was just, I would watch five hours of these news channels every day and be miserable. And so I hardly watch the news anymore. I don't go on social media. I'm not sure I'm missing anything. Yeah. I can't remember where the hell I was going with this.

That doesn't matter. I guess I need some neuroplasticity. But where was I going with that? I don't remember. We were talking, we were talking about Atlantis, Megalithic Yard. We got into psychedelics. DMT, Danny Goler. No, well, I lost it.

Grand Canyon Mysteries. Yes. Let's hear about some of this stuff. People ask me if there's one conspiracy that you'd like to know about. My answer is always I'd like to know what's going on in the Grand Canyon. I started at the beginning.

I didn't cover Grand Canyon last time. The beginning. 1909 G.E. Kincaid is looking for silver deposits in the Grand Canyon and he's going down, I guess, the Colorado River, and he sees

like this cave opening way up in the cliff, super, super far. And something about it intrigues him because it sort of stands out from the geography. So he's on a little boat and he pulls up and he clears the brush and he sees there's steps that go all the way up this thing.

So he follows the steps and finds a way into this cave, goes in a little bit of ways and he comes to like a fork in the road. Tunnels going this way and that. And he sees a statue that looks like Buddha, but it's not quite Buddha or is it Egyptian, but it's not quite Egyptian.

He calls it Oriental, which could mean Asian. He doesn't really know. So he starts drawing a map and he goes down these corridors and he starts to find artifacts. Weapons made a bronze, armor, different things. He finds these porticoes that have mummies on shelves after shelves, just mummies. He keeps going and he finds this giant cavern that is an old city that he says maybe thousands of people could have lived here. And there's pottery and there's evidence. that people lived here for a long time.

And he maps the whole place, and it's huge. So he leaves, he goes back to his camp or wherever, and he is part of a Smithsonian Institution contingent. So he calls the Smithsonian and says, I found this stuff. Spassonian says, we're in a sense I want to help you. Professor S.A. Jordan was the guy who went out.

And they go out and they explore again, and they find all this stuff. they send a bunch of artifacts back to the Smithsonian and then it kind of goes away Smithsonian says we never heard of it we never received anything we never heard of GE what never heard of GE Kincaid don't know anything about any guy named Jordan

and the story disappears and so does Kincaid and Jordan it just kind of goes away and people have been trying to find it ever since and they can't but you can't find pictures if you look in that area where in my episode, I think I found at least one of them, where that hole could be. And people have gone up right above that hole to see what's up there.

And once they go up there, as soon as you land above that cave entrance, suddenly black helicopters start flying around. And this is in my video. Like, here, the black helicopters, you see them. I thank the people in my video, because I used their video, when they went and explored.

Black helicopters circling for hours. And then these unmarked white planes are flying below the rim all around the area. The thing is, this is all no-fly zone. You cannot fly above this area and you know aircrafts is allowed below the rim. But there they are all over the place. They're not yet intimidated,

and they start to clear things around and they're finding artifacts from, you know, the early 1900s when these people were here. and then straight above the cave entrance they find this block with a giant iron hook in it which could have been something that would have been used to attach ropes that you can repel down in but there's no evidence of any of that because you are not allowed in this part of the canyon this is a no-go zone and eventually they were chased out of there um a lot of the artifacts the locations inside the grand canyon are named after ancient egyptian

locations, you know, Kiyops and Cleopatra and all these different things. These ancient Egyptian gods like Ra and Tooth. It's very strange if their name this way. Because they already had names from the Hopi, but Spasonian

wasn't really into the American Indians at the time. And eventually it was all closed up. And now just about every cave in the Grand Canyon has an iron grate over it. You can't go there. You can't get a permit. Really? Nobody's allowed. Have you seen it?

any of this for yourself? I'm just curious. I haven't been to the canyon since I did the story, but I have been before. But why go down there? They will not let you in. The Rangers will yank you out of there. There have been some expeditions into some of these caves. I believe

like 1% of the caves have been explored. And these are important geological and historical places because they're like time capsules because they've gone in there and found artifacts that are thousands of years old from like the native tribes who have been in there. who say that there's been people there for way longer than that.

But they go and they gather some stuff and then bang, the great goes over it. And the Spissonian has this history of getting things sent to them and then losing them. They just, especially during that time of, in the Smithsonian's history, Sputonian did not like, they didn't like the idea that Native Americans

or any non-white culture could have a civilization like that. It was kind of an ugly time for Spersonian. Now, very recently, that story has been chased down, and they have found a few more articles about the Kincaid expedition. It's been called a hoax, but they've found earlier articles about him and this expedition that kind of predate the hoax by a few weeks. So for a hoax to go several months across multiple newspapers is very strange. Spasonian finally admitted that they did have Kincaid on expedition there at that time and they did have a Jordan on expedition at the time but one was the entomologist and one wasn't really in the area but they were they were real men

who were on real missions for the Spassonian but they said they didn't really work together a lot it's it's very very strange very shady why why would they it's you can't go in there for your for your safety is why why would they hide this stuff i i you know i don't really know They would hide it back then because the Smithsonian didn't like the idea of native tribes or anyone else other than white people having advanced culture. They didn't like that. So when you find like Cahokia, this amazing city in Ohio, do you know about the Mississippian culture? I'm getting ready to find out about it. The thing is nobody knows about it.

We're not taught about it. But one of the biggest cities in that area in America, was Cahokia, which in 1,100 AD was bigger than London. It was bigger than London. Cahokia. We're not taught about it in the school. We just weren't taught about it. Now, I don't think the schools are as racist as they used to be.

I think they maybe swung a little bit further the other way. But when those syllabus were being created back then, it just kind of carried over through history. It's like we just don't teach you about these, the mound builders and those societies. We don't really talk about it that much. I talked about the Ed Barnhart. He knows plenty about that stuff.

Did you talk about the Mississippians? Because that's what I'm having them come up to talk about. Just a tiny bit. Just a tiny bit. We ran out of time, you know, because you can talk to him forever. Just a little bit. I'd love to see him go into more of that with you. Because Kahoki was an amazing place with thousands of thousands of people.

It was an empire. Did you ask him about the stuff in the Grand Canyon? I don't think we got into the Grand Canyon all that. much. Definitely ask him. When did the great show up on the caves and stuff? Is that... With what on the caves? The

where you can't enter the caves? Oh, the bars, almost immediately after that. They'll blame Teddy Roosevelt who created the National Park System and they, whoever they are, the Park Service, whatever, went through and closed a lot of that stuff off.

And it's for our safety because of flash floods or whatever. But we need to go into those caves. 1% of caves being explored is not acceptable. You need to go and see what's in there. Because there's stuff in there that's pre-ice age. You gotta know what's in there. Man, that's crazy. It was like, what do you, why, why? Why are they hiding? I don't know. I mean, there's legends of people discovering giants, giant skeletons, and sending them to the Smithsonian, who acknowledge

we received the package, which we can see the receipts, but then they lost the stuff. You know, we don't know where it is. We received that your giant skeletons, but we misplaced them. And Smithsonian misplaced a lot of stuff in the early 1900s. Where do you think man originated from? Man, it's not Adam and Eve, is it? That's a hard question because we still have the missing link. You know, because I believe in evolution, but I don't know what happened to make smart monkeys He's really smart.

You know, and what happened 300,000 years ago, give or take, that made Homo sapiens sapiens sapien, you know, the only animal that's really self-aware and aware of its own death and the things around it. There's no animals that do that. That's never been answered to my satisfaction. You believe in evolution. I believe in evolution.

I was listening to, oh man, I can't remember this guy's name. He was on Rogan and I think it was called the lady or something. Have you heard about this? It's like old type of ape that used to bury it's dead. I didn't hear about that. You got to look that up. I have to look that up. You remember where in the world it was?

Um, no, I don't. I have to look that up. But it was, it was, yeah, it was pretty. It was interesting. It was, they would, yeah, they would bury their dead. They would put them down in these caves. Like ceremonial, not just get the rotting meat. It sounds like.

That's really interesting. I mean, we know the Neanderthals were way more cultured and smarter than we thought. But that, that's interesting. What do we know about them? They had music. They had music. They had art. They had strong family cultures.

They were the first ones to do organized warfare. just 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals ruled the planet. Like, we were just hiding in caves trying to figure out how to deal with these massive armies. I have an episode about the Neanderthals. It goes into a lot of this. Yeah, they made musical instruments.

They, you know, unbelievable stuff. You know, they carved figurines. And they had organized warfare when we were just trying to figure it out. They would show up, like, with columns and phalanxes and, you know, and commanders. Can you, I mean, can you imagine if you're just cave people

and you've got these super strong, super aggressive, almost humans with weapons and they're ten times stronger than you? You know, and they're doing pincer maneuvers around you? I mean, goodbye. It was only when humans invented the bow and arrow did anything really change because you can harass from a distance.

They didn't really have it. But I guess it's not, I shouldn't be too surprised when you watch how wolves, you know, hunt or, you know, a, you know, lions how they'll team up and hunt. Yeah. Like it's pretty fascinating. Yep.

So why wouldn't? Why wouldn't that? Yeah. And coyotes will hunt in singles or packs or in a group depending on the situation. So, yeah, Neanderthals, they had bigger brains than we did. What discovery would rewrite human history overnight if it was proven real? God, there's a lot of those. That there's something on the moon.

That there's anything on the moon. Something on the moon that's not natural. That would rewrite everything. You're having a problem saying rewrite, too. I am. That's a hard word. I would say if the Earth was flat. You know, it isn't flat.

But that would change things. It definitely would, wouldn't it? It would. I don't do flat earth stories because the comment sections are too violent. What do you mean they're violent? They get... The flat earthers are really into it. they're really into it.

They're definitely convinced and they just attack, attack, attack. What, they're like, give you death threats or something? I get death threats anyway, but, I mean, they'll fight with each other in the comments. I don't really read them anymore, but they're, like, really mean in the comments. I like the Flat Earth story.

I think it's super fun. You know, I watch a bunch of Flat Earth videos and be like, yeah, that's... I can see there's something to that. There's nothing to that. But I'm entertained by... it and I love people who are really into it who really love it it's a fascinating subject it is uh you know just totally changing the subject again here I went in I did um an interview with this

a friend of mine father Ripperker okay and he's out of out of Denver outside of Denver and I was going there and somebody on my team was talking about all the demonic shit at the Denver airport. Oh, yeah. And we were staying at the Denver airport. So I got on YouTube, looking up Denver airport, demonic activity, something like that. Bam, there's the Y files. I was like, yes. Dude, what the hell is going on there?

There's the horse with the red eyes. Yeah, that's BluSifer. They killed the guy that made it. Yep, he died before he was finished. The gargoyles and the baggage claim. There's some painting. I didn't get to see that. There's a bunch of paintings that show the end of the world

and people in gas masks and dying children. It's a crazy place. It was maybe my first episode that was demonetized. That was demonetized? Yeah. And I didn't know why. And I learned, I don't want to out anybody, but I learned that there is a list of topics

on certain platforms. that you cannot discuss, regardless. Denver Airport is one of them. You can't talk about it. And I talk about way crazier controversial stuff than that. Like all my CIA stuff, it's like, how did he get away with saying it? It's fine. But Denver Airport, which all I did was show the stuff that's around.

You know, the time capsule with the Masons, the weird numbers. I don't know about all of it. It's so crazy when they excavated the airport, they excavated way too much dirt. Like, when you look at the, how much space there is and parking and all of that, they took way too much dirt. So the theory is that it goes much deeper,

that there are these underground tunnels that go to other places like Cheyenne Mountain and all these other places. And, but it's the artwork that really makes it crazy. The gargoyles and Blusifer is this, I'm sure I've really, knows, but it's this stallion. He's made of blue.

He's got red eyes. And it's like, it's all end of the world stuff. It's, uh, you know, they've got the four horsemen of the apocalypse. They've, it's all end of the world. It's, there's dead children, like there's children in coffins. And that was the artwork called the airport. A lot of it is taken down. Really?

Yeah. It's upsetting to watch. Like, you look at it, you're like, why? Why don't, I don't, I don't want McDonald's. family to walk by this. Daddy, what's that? Oh, that, you know, that's a world burning after the apocalypse. It's all supposed to be messages of peace, but there's a lot of, it's not really Nazi stuff,

but it's a lot of World War II looking... How does this happen? I don't, I don't know. Like, just like all this random stuff that just happens to be in one location at an airport. I don't know, but I... What do you think? I know there was a meteor threat at one point during Obama's administration. The place they took him was the Denver airport, which is very strange to go there, of all places.

I think you want to go to a public airport, but that's where he went. This is a forbidden topic, huh? Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're into trouble. You're not going to make any money on this now. It's over. Whoa. Maybe it's safe

I'm surprised that you found that video Yeah, Pop Drought it was the first result There's a ton of stuff on it Thank goodness Yeah there's a ton of stuff So the guy that made Do you want to tell the story about the Blusifer artist I don't remember his name and stuff

But I do remember that That before it finished The statue killed him He had like an accident working on it So he never, never finished it. He died during, while he was making that statue. Gotta be cursed. Yeah, yeah.

Have you been to the airport? Yeah, that's the Denver airport. You've been there? Yeah, that's where I looked this shit up. I was staying at the hotel there. And we were flying in and somebody on my team was telling me about it. And I was like, what? What are you talking about, Blusifer and all these gargoyles of baggage claim

and paintings and shit? And I was like, and then there it all was. And I was like, oh. And he's like pointing out the gargoyles and baggage clam. I'm like, oh, that is kind of, that is weird. It is. And so he was kind of telling me about, you know, the conspiracy or whatever. And then we checked in the hotel right there at the airport.

So I jumped on YouTube. And I was like, all right, I got to look this shit up. And your video is the first thing that popped up. I was like, I'll be damned. All right. Mm-hmm. Here we go. Down the rabbit hole.

Yep. The time capsule is there. It was put in there by the Masons, which adds to the legend. And allegedly, every level of the airport is not quite level. Like, it's a little bit of an incline, a little bit of a pitch, to make you feel a little bit off. I don't know if that's true, but I like that part of the story.

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it's ziprecruiter.com slash SRS. That's ziprecruiter.com slash SRS. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. Where were we? Reptilians. Reptilians, my favorite. This is your favorite. Probably not. I don't think I've ever done a full episode of reptilians.

I kind of want to. Hold on. What do you think about aliens to begin with? I mean... Do you think they're there out there? Yes. You think they're not? You do.

I do. think they're out there? Just the odds. Just the odds of it. So many stars. You know, whatever, Drake's equation. I think they're out there. I don't know if they're here.

The stuff that we see, I think most of the stuff we see is probably just experimental aircraft. Have you had Brandon Fugel on? Mm-mm, but I know who he is. Would you have him on? Sure.

He's awesome. I love that, dude. Definitely would. Are you an alien guy? I used to be, I used to be really into it. You know what I noticed about the alien crowd? The alien crowd, okay. Not, okay, let me, let me, yeah, the media heads that talk about aliens all the time.

Yeah, minus a couple. I would not put Brandon Fugel in that category. I love that guy. But what I've noticed about the alien crowd is that, everybody's pushing for disclosure. We all want disclosure. But they have to be that each individual has to be the one that gets disclosure. And everything everybody else is saying is complete bullshit

unless it comes from this specific person. And that's what I've noticed, which means, okay, you don't give a shit about disclosure. You just want to be the one sitting in the front of the congressional hearing. You want to be, everybody has to be the guy. We can't work together. Everybody's full of shit except, do you pick that up? 100%. It's that the, that Prometheus syndrome is you need to be the one with the hidden knowledge.

And not only do I pick it up is they hate each other. Well, the people that I talk to are always running down the others. He's a liar, but I'm not. He's a liar, but I'm not. You know, he's an asset, but I'm not. And I don't know who to believe of the alien crowd. I know exactly who you're talking about it. I mean, they have said, like, horrific stuff about each other.

Yes. That has nothing to do with aliens. Yes. I've had one or two on. You definitely have, too. I've had a ton of them on. Yeah. I haven't had many on in, man, over a year, I think.

There's nothing new. like so think there's nothing no nothing new we're not learning anything from the video drops so yeah i think there's aliens you know there's definitely some weird stuff in the skies in the ocean that is probably not ours but i don't know i come i'm starting to come more around to the idea that this is interdementiality or yeah and i don't mean in like a woo-woo kind of sense i mean like in multiple dimensions, in actual physics where you have multidimensional space that once you reach these higher dimensions, space contracts geometrically so you can travel really far and to an observer it would look like just hopping around in space.

It would allow you to go great distances. You know, CERN has been looking for Kaluza-Klein particles for a while, which would explain multidimensional travel through the bulk, they call it. So I kind of go there. but you say multi-dimension, people start to gloss over, you know, because it's not a disc, you know, a metal disc with a window and a red, you know, a Martian, a little red-headed man. But I think something to the inter dimensions. Interesting. I think it's all spiritual, but that's just me.

I'm coming around there too, and Jacques-fil-A has been talking about that since the 70s, that it's spiritual, it's connected to us, and that's why we used to see UFOs because that was in the sight guise and now we see orbs everywhere. Because I never heard about orbs before the last few years. But I talked to guys like Chris Bledsoe and I've seen the videos and I know people who've gone out with Chris and he can summon orbs.

Yeah, I can't explain it. Did you go out with him? No, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it because I don't want to mess with spiritual stuff, man. You know, I don't want to mess with it. I even talk to Chris, maybe off the air, maybe not. where I, now probably on, where I said, can anyone learn to do this? And he said, yes, we all have this ability and you should not mess with it.

I said, cool, fair enough. I don't want to summon the wrong entity. But there's a reason that NASA is interested in him and CIA talks to him and DOD. They all are interested in Chris. And he's just a soft-spoken Christian man, but no agenda that I can see. And I believe every word he says, I believe that he believes every word he says. I don't know if he really knows what the things are, but I believe that he thinks he does.

You know, he's made some predictions that haven't come true, but he also says he can summon orbs, and I know that he can. I've seen him do it. I'm not going to mess with it. Yeah. So, reptilians. Reptilians.

Reptillion, those have been around for a while. I'll tell the story that I like the best. There's a Swedish journalist who goes by old. O-K, L-E-K, and he gets a phone call from a woman named Lacerda, and she says that she's a reptilian. And he's a famous debunker. So she says, interview me. So they meet at some cabin somewhere in the woods somewhere, neutral location. He's already got mics, cameras, all that stuff.

And she comes in, she just looks like a normal girl, like around 30 years old. And the first thing she does is she shapeshifts into her list. lizard form. And that's crazy. And she says, we have all these abilities that humans have. We just have developed them. So, like, what do you have? So she makes, like, his pen levitate. He's got a piping hot cup of coffee. She makes it freeze instantly. And she starts telling him the story about how her lizard race is the evolution of the dinosaurs that went underground after the Chick-Shallou impact, 65 million years ago. A few of them were able to escape.

They went underground and they evolved underground, this species. And she says that the human race is actually the seventh attempt of an alien race to engineer a new species on Earth. That we are the seventh civilization. And I think we're called the Illogim, or maybe the aliens are. And that's her story. she says that the reptilians are walking among us all the time. We're in positions of power, of course.

They can shape shift. We can't really see that they're there. But if you look up videos on YouTube about people blinking sideways, you'll find some crazy stuff of people. It looks like they've got lizard eyes. It's pretty entertaining. Wow. Yeah.

And we do know that just before that impact and the dinosaurs went extinct, there were a couple of species of small dinosaurs that were starting to grow opposable thumbs. which that would have been a big that would have been a big change for dinosaurs to actually have thumbs because who knows what could happen from there

and 65 million years is a long time to evolve you know that's that's enough time to get some intelligence you know we we started guitar as about 3 million years ago so it's 65 million years so she says that there are other lizard races that are battling for control of the planet and one of them is an alien race race. I get what she calls them, but they're from Alpha Draconis in the, in the Draco constellation.

And she talks about how there's a battle for Earth and it's been going on for a long time. And it's a battle of resources, specifically water and copper. Because if you could copper is an interesting metal that you can do different things to it and all times so weird effects can happen, anti-gravity and all kinds of stuff. And they've been fighting forever over it. And I think the episode I have is called the La Certa Files, which goes into all the details of all of this. It kind of tracks a little bit with Yanonaki.

It lines up a lot of it. And it lines up with some other stories about alien wars on the planet. But I couldn't confirm hardly any of it. You know, old K is a pseudonym for the journalist, but it turns out his name comes from Kay, the guy that I think it's Tommy Jones character in Men and Black.

book okay so you know a lot of the stories the most fun ones just come from one person telling it you know on a website or something so i'll tell the story because it's fun but i can't prove any of that you know we don't know who she was yeah we don't have those tapes he said he's got tapes and video we don't we've never seen it uh but it's a good story well i got a patreon question let's do it for you So we got a Patreon. You do too. I do. So one of the things I do.

What's that? I stole the idea from you. We offer every, they've been with us here since the beginning. So we offer them the opportunity to ask every guest to question. This is from YT. Rocco. AJ, what do you think is going on with all the recent UAP disclosures? And do you think all of the information coming out on UAPs is just media cover to distract? from ongoing geopolitical stories.

I think there's a lot to that. You know, if you're Lockheed or Raytheon working on some high-tech stuff, dumping some UFO videos would be really useful. Would be really useful. Or if you're in a time of relative peace and you're a military contractor and you want to keep the dollars flowing,

you start scaring people about that we can't control our skies because we've got drones, you know, over Langley and stuff. Well, maybe we need more money into the contractors. We've got to control our skies. So I think there's something to that. I don't believe they're not going to, in these video dumps, they're not going to give us anything of value, I don't think.

I don't think we've gotten anything of values so far. There's been a couple of good ones like the, that metallic orb over Syria. that's a pretty good video. I don't think we can explain that. But most of them we can. And I think of all the videos they've sent, like 88% can be explained.

There's a few that can't. But yeah, I think a lot of it is distraction. Yeah, I think so too. It's interesting, like, how it keeps, you know, Epstein files come up. What happened to those? Give them aliens. Give them aliens.

What happened to all the drones over? Jersey and stuff that story just went away yeah yeah yeah jfk files went away here's a random one for you yeah bigfoot have you done anything on bigfoot a lot on big foot my kids are obsessed with big foot i'm not a bigfoot guy i don't know why people are obsessed with bigfoot but they are they're obsessed because i keep telling them that he's real yeah we got we got uh the weather's just starting to cool down here and there's a couple people on the team that have kids little kids like me and so we got the big foot costume and so we're going to have them out back here on the range and then just a very quick appearance of like him you know running from a tree over the hill real

quick and then that's it just to watch them all like you've got it to get video of that we're going to that's fantastic i take my son out of And I can't even remember how this started. It was like one of my wife's friends brought it up and my son became like obsessed. And he's always looking around for Bigfoot. And so I'll take, I'll like, we'll pack a bag and we'll go hunting for Bigfoot out in the woods.

It's hilarious, dude. What was that? So I can't wait. I can't wait to do this. That's super fun. I remember those tall aliens from Mars that escaped? Supposedly one of those races was Bigfoot. They came here.

They evolved. Really? Yeah, it's part of that story. That's the origin story. That's one of them. Bigfoot is in, every culture has giants with hair. Really? Yeah, native cultures.

I mean, there's a Tibetan Yeti, native cultures, and there's the Lovelock giants with the red hair. Bigfoot, Sasquatches from up north. They all have it. They even had the canned a hard giant for a while, but I think I debunked that. People didn't like that. they all have that same story.

I just, I don't get into Bigfoot or the cryptids, the weird animals. They don't excite me. I, I just want to see a decent photo of one of these. What do people think? They think it's real. I mean, my audience loves Bigfoot and Mothman and Jersey Devil and, you know, werewolves, the dog man of Michigan, all the cryptids down in Antarctica. They love these weird monsters.

I mean, if they think it's real, where, where, is it? He can walk between dimensions. Walk between, that's what, that's the, okay. Yeah, so, like through a portal or something? Portals or just phase in and out of dimensions, but if you have that kind of technology, I don't know why you're just naked, covered in hair in the woods, if you can phase between dimensions. It's supposedly a technology that he, that has. Native Americans don't think so. I think it's something that they can just do, and that's why we can't see them is because they don't want us to see them. So, but I've never seen a picture of Bigfoot that wasn't blurry.

You know, there's the, the Gimmon Patterson film is still not debunked. It's a pretty good one. It's that famous one where the Bigfoot's walking across that lake, looks back over at the guy on the camera. So that's the Patterson film. It looks really great. That film hasn't fully been debunked, but those guys did hoax a Bigfoot film

not too long before that. So that hurts the story. People don't really talk about that. They talk about, well, it's Patterson Gimlin. It's like, well, those guys kind of hoaxed it before, though. And most of the tracks that have been found, they've all been hoaxed. I don't think there's any legit tracks to my knowledge.

People are going to hate this because people love Bigfoot. It's just adorable. I don't get into it. I saw one video during one of my Bigfoot things that was some guys were skiing up in the mountains. And they're like, what the hell is that down there and down in the valley is something big and humanoid that is running through the snow uphill faster than any man can? And I said, that's the most compelling video I had ever seen a Bigfoot. I couldn't explain it. And I can't really find that one again.

So maybe it's been debunked, but it's a good one. I want to find that. Yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see it just show my kids. Do you believe in Bigfoot? Do I believe in Bigfoot? No. Okay.

Okay. No. Not at all. No. But I think it's fun to tease my kids with it. Yes. How about, all right, we're wrapping up the interview here. Secret societies.

I believe in those. I mean, that's no question. Those existed. Um, the Illuminati was a real group in the, uh, late 18th century, founded by, uh, Adam Beishpout, I think is his name, created a secret society and, uh, one of the things he was trying to do was infiltrate the Masons, which he did. And at its height, it had about 3,000 members. And they had the whole thing this. The Masons or the Illuminati? Luminati wanted to, the Masons had a ton of members. Okay. So, the, the, you know,

Illuminati was a smaller group. They wanted to they really just wanted to get Masons to come over. It was kind of what it was. But they did have the secret handshakes, the symbolism, all of that. Their symbol was the owl of Minerva, which became

the symbol of Bohemian Grove. You've heard of that crazy place? Yeah. So Bohemian Grove has a giant owl where they burn someone in effigy every time they're up there. the original Luminati had had that owl

They definitely had it You can even see on the back Like the same owl they had the same owl The owl of Minerva is the famous You know it's a famous owl from ancient Greek I believe That's a sort of can see everything I don't know if they call it They have a different name for it in Bohemian Grove

But if you look on the back of the $1 bill In the upper right You can need a magnifying glass under that curve, you will see a tiny, tiny owl on the back of a dollar bill. Hardly anyone knows it's there. The back of the dollar bill is covered with crazy symbols. You got the all-seeing eye

above the broken pyramid, and then Novo sort of secularum, you know, New World Order, which is not what that means. But there's all kinds of stuff back there, the number three, 33 is all over the place. And Washington, D.C. was later, out by Leson Font, who's famously laid out Washington, D.C., but he was a big-time Mason.

So there's a lot of that symbolism there. And when the George Washington Monument was dedicated, was dedicated by the Masons. And inside there was a Mason ceremony that was the dedication. So all kinds of Mason stuff in there. Mason stuff in the Denver airport. Most of the founding fathers are Masons. But just looking at the roads in D.C. I remember I looked, I was looking at a map where I was, I don't know, one of the times I was there and I was like, what the hell is up with the design of these roads? Right. It's a terrible city to drive in. Yeah. It's all like pyramids and... Yeah, because they were obsessed with that stuff with the ancient Greeks and ancient Sparta. And they were obsessed with the symbolism, the Masonic symbolism. So you've got a lot of triangles.

Things are built around threes. Why? What is that? What is it? Like, what is it? Because it's, it's... close to the divine these are the geometry is it's divine geometry it's sacred geometry is what they call it the number three is a sacred number you know that's the highest level in in masonry right is 30 third level it's just all symbolism and again i and i said this when i've covered it i don't get it i don't under i don't get why people join the masons but i don't look down to people for doing it you know i'm just not a joiner i don't join clubs and groups and stuff but i definitely understand why people

I totally get what people do, especially these days where, you know, joining groups is really looked down on. I get it. It's just not my thing. You know, secret handshakes and stuff, weird to me, but, you know, I've hung out with Masons. I've had them on my show, and they're great. What's with the one-eye thing with the Illuminati? The Illuminati is that the all-seeing eye. That's on the back of the dollar bill as well, above the pyramid.

What is that supposed to mean? It's supposed to be able to see everything. Some people think it's the eye of horace, but I don't think so. I think it's the all-seeing eye. What's the eye of horace? That's from ancient Egypt, another eye. So if you look up celebrities doing the all-seeing eye, you'll find magazine covers and album covers of very famous people covering one eye,

and you'll find a hundred of them. Beyonce, like big stars, just all covering one eye. I don't know why they're doing it. But you'll see all of that. So that just fuels the conspiracy, is that they're in on it. It's just, it's the one eye. People should be looking it up right now and to blow your mind. Just pages of it.

Are they up to no good? I mean, that's the rumor that they control the world, right? That is, I mean, I lean toward that there is a group of people that control the world that's above our governments. I do lean that way. Bill DeBerg, Council Foreign Relations, those types of groups that once you get in there, suddenly there's Democrats, Republicans, Labor Party. What are those groups? What did you say? Bilderberg group, Council Foreign Relations, where you'll have people on the far left and people on the far right, all getting together, getting along.

Mm-hmm. And for some reason, a lot of American presidents before being elected end up getting invited to Bilderberg. and then they were elected. Yeah, I think Hillary was way out ahead of Obama before he was invited to Bill Deburg, but that was the end of her lead. And Bill Clinton was invited there as well. Just so happens.

We don't know what goes on in there. They're not allowed to discuss it. So I think there's something to that. Do you, I mean, I've always heard way before any of this, like, I remember when I was, contractor overseas people will be reading

these books telling me I can't remember the number nine people, seven people five people control the world do you think there's any truth? I mean now I'm like yeah I could see it I can see it

I could definitely see it yeah I think so do you think we know these people I think we know we heard of them some of them are I think we know who some of them are like Klaus Straub

and some of these guys I think Larry Fink, I think we know who some of them are. You know, someone like Larry Fink controls more assets under management than most countries have. You know, that's one guy. So we talk about these billionaires that Elon Musk is worth $200 billion and stuff. That's a lot.

Larry Fink controls trillions of dollars. Trillions of dollars. You can influence geopolitics with a trillion, and trillions of dollars, we all own stuff that he manages, you know, Black Rock and Vanguard, all of that. Everyone owns Vanguard. I own a ton of Vanguard stuff because that's what's there. You know, I try not to invest specifically in their pet causes like green this or green that.

I don't do any of that. But they have more power than governments do. But most people don't know who those people are that I mentioned. I mean, do you think that there is another class that's even, that's totally, you know, nobody knows them out? You know, to connect it to the lizard people, one reason why that story, Lizard people story kind of got, it got hijacked in the late 80s, early 90s, because I don't, I don't want to name the researcher, but Lizard people fans know what I'm talking about. got it just got connected with anti-Semitism like the rothschild family and all of that and it's one of the reasons i don't do the loser people is because i you know i'm a new yorker half my family's jewish i'm not i'm not really down for anti-semitism i don't want to promote it

um so it's got wrapped up with that but according to the legend yes above everything is this group of the reptilians who are actually the bankers that control everything because we've got these banks that all the other major banks have to report to. And so people are in charge of those. Interesting. Well, AJ, what's next for you? What are you excited about? See, I've got episodes coming up. I have a cool UFO story that's undemuncable. The Soviet UFO program is super fun. And I'm working on something where the Titanic did not sink. That's going to be Fun too. Plugs, we have a board game coming out that in pre-play, people are having a lot of fun at the

conventions playing the Wi-Files board game that's coming out soon. When's that coming out? Soon. I don't, you know, I don't pay that close to it. It's called Wi-Fi. Wi-Files declassified.com. You can learn more about it. That's cool, man.

That's cool. Well, AJ, it's awesome to have you, man. I love it. You're doing great. Like, it's awesome to see. Came here with an idea doing a podcast. Now you're just crushing it, so congrats.

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