Shawn Ryan Show - My Unredacted Interview with The Leah Files

Episode Date: October 20, 2026

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Hey, what's up everybody? So I guess my name is all over this controversy on X, the typical X drama, because I didn't release a certain episode. And that episode is this woman, the Leophiles, who I didn't release it because personally, I think she is a total fraud and full of shit. And honestly, I also didn't release it to help her save face a little bit. But whatever, we'll release it. So yeah, she comes on here and I guess she was in some black program at the CIA that tracks down money trails, financials, stuff like that.

But she gets here and like spent way too much time talking about the polygraph, which is not really a big deal because everybody, almost everybody over there has to take a polygraph. and she spent so much time on it that it just made me think, like, did you, like, research how to do a polygraph or what goes on during a polygraph before he got here to make yourself sound legitimate? And then when we got into it, there wasn't really any groundbreaking stuff,

definitely no money trails, which is supposedly her expertise. So anyways, I didn't release it, but whatever. Now it was a bunch of stupid internet drama and people on X talking, shit so I'll let you guys be the judge and I will release it and so it's out if you're seeing this it's out now and so I put I put two versions out though there's another version on X where I just released the whole thing one constant stream of video no camera angle changes

none of that that way you know there's no cuts nothing got redacted No names were polled. Nothing. It's all in there. Even a couple of things that I didn't really want in there, but whatever. It's out there now. So anyways. Oh, and then one other thing.

I guess there's also something that got, I guess she took my public LinkedIn profile and made a post out of the companies that I invest in and tried to make me sound like, I don't know. And so anyways, yeah. I post all the companies that I invest in publicly on my LinkedIn because I believe in those companies. And I think every single one of those companies, I think, except for one, I've had that person on the show. A lot of those companies support the American warfighter. I used to be an American war fighter. Still would be if the time came and they needed me. But I'm always going to support our troops.

and companies that are innovating things that help save lives and create a better war, wartime environment for the side of our troops, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm always going to support that. So I'm not going to apologize for it. I guess maybe Wren or Leah or whatever her name is must have learned how to follow public LinkedIn profiles in their CIA training. Incredible. But anyways, that's pretty much all I got to say.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Leah Files, I'll let you be the judge if she is full of shit or full of truth. Cheers. Leah, welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. Very excited. I'm excited to have you. So you're, I heard you set the internet on fire a couple days ago.

Somehow, somehow. Yeah. Well, you're digging into all kinds of stuff, so I'm excited to get it going. So let me give you an introduction here. Leophiles. You're an economist, financial analyst, and corporate intelligence consultant who has spent more than two decades supporting the U.S. intelligence and national security community. Your career has included work supporting the NGA, DIA, NSA, and CIA with a focus on financial modeling, strategic, excuse me, strategy and risk. Today you run a corporate intelligence firm that investigates fraud, deceptive executives, hidden financial relationships, and risks that traditional due diligence often misses. Welcome to the show. What's the name of your firm?

Black Widow Global. Black Widow Global? How long have you been doing that? About a year now? A year? Is business good? Yeah, very grateful. What's the, the uh what's the well i don't even know if you can say but what's the most interesting case you've come across so far in business it's getting more interesting um but i did have a guy from social media reach out and he wanted me to investigate someone he was going to invest in that's typically what i what i do uh and we had a contract and then i was looking into the guy who's here in tennessee actually very very shady um the guy other guy was in england that i'm working for and he ended up dying two days, three days into my investigation.

He was healthy, 40-some-year-old guy. He had just hosted his daughter's sleepover, and, yeah, they told me he died. So very, I think that was the most, like, jolting one of it all. I think it's something nefarious happened to him, but. Wow. You see that a lot? No, thankfully, not in this year, but.

I probably will. Yeah. Jeez. What kind of, I mean, what kind of clients are reaching out to you? So typically it's private equity. That's how I started and law firms. You know, you do do diligence, but numbers can tell any story that they want. And if you don't trust, you know, you want to look more into it.

Look at that CEO. I mean, look at Theronos, look at WeWorks, so many companies that sell themselves to investors, but then end up breaking down because they're just selling a story. They're not selling what's actually behind the curtain, and that's what I expose. Are they lying? Are they full of it? What do their financials actually tell you? There's a lot of CEOs who will take investor money and just do wrong by it.

So private equity in law firms. I do a lot of pro bono for women going through divorces, whose husbands are hiding assets from them, assessing where they would be hiding them, find them for them. So, yeah, so far those are my top clients. Where do they hide it the most? It depends on the person. So like a common strategy? No, it depends on the person.

If you look at who you're married to, what did they start doing prior to the divorce? Do they have businesses? Because if they have LLCs, that's the most common way. Crypto is becoming really big and you can trace crypto. You can trace crypto. Oh, yeah. Crypto is actually almost one of the easier ones to trace on the public blockchain. Really? Mm-hmm.

Well, then what's the narrative about, like, this is what drug dealers use and all this other stuff? No, well, because if you move them between addresses, it's when you cash them out, that's where you get the person. So the means of cashing out that crypto address, but... So you can trace... So no matter how many transactions it's been traced, so you can trace it. So what do they, then what do the criminals do? Do they just buy stuff with crypto? They find places where they can just buy stuff with that?

Like commodities and then maybe sell the commodity? Like gold? Or something like that? Yeah, that's a good example. They also, you have to have their crypto address. So they probably have multiple. But once you get one, you can trace it through the blockchain. But you have to get their address.

Interesting. Well, I got you a gift. Oh, you got me a gift. Same gift here. Vigilant elite gummy bears. Have you heard of them? Everyone was like, see if you'll get gummy bears. These are amazing.

Made in Michigan. I'm honored. Thank you. I got you a gift. I love gifts. My husband picked it out. He's a big fan. Perfect.

Where we live. Here, we live next, like near a polo. Match, King family. Their son is, was a Marine. And, yeah. You play? You liked black. No, I could not ride a horse, but I go, I go watch.

I bet that's, I've never been to one. Oh, it's really cool, yeah. We're thinking about getting my daughter and horses. Oh, yeah, it's really cool. Are you into them? No. Do you ride? But I grew up on a farm, and we had horses.

I don't like them. You don't like them? I don't like them. I go to polo. I don't think I've ever actually seen a polo match. I literally go and I'm there to be outside. So right on well thank you yeah and then one more thing and then we're going to get into your life story okay does that sound good so i got a patreon yes probably some people hanging maybe that's where they found out you were coming on the show but uh no patreon you know when i've started this thing

i couldn't get anybody to advertise with i had made like no money and um and uh like i was paying to do this And we started, me and my wife started this in the attic. And Patreon was suggested I started Patreon. And so we did. And it's because of them that it's turned into everything you see here today, just from a small room in the attic. And so they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. So this is from Meg.

Leah, who are two or three individuals deceased or alive you'd like to have dinner and a discussion with? Oh, that's a good one. Anthony Bourdain, Charlie Kirk, and Tucker Carlson. And Tucker Carlson? Tucker Carlson. And I think those three together, we would have a very riveting conversation. I'll bet.

But yeah, Anthony Bordane, Charlie Kirk, and Tucker Carlson. What questions would you ask him? Oof. I think Anthony Bourdain is good for his ability to bring up. talk to people about pretty much anything, and it'd be fascinating. I don't know what I'd ask them. Come back. We'll come back to that.

Right on. Let me think about that one. Right on. I'd go with Jesus. Jesus. I'd like to ask Jesus some questions. Yeah. But, all right, we'll get to your story.

You ready? Yeah, yeah. I know this is heavy. It's all right. All right. Where'd you grow up? Raleigh, North Carolina. Well, outside of...

of Raleigh, North Carolina. Roseville, North Carolina. Rodesville, North Carolina. Rolesville. Small town. Small. One stoplight. Dude, that's even smaller than where I grew up.

One stoplight, 23 acres, next to tobacco fields, went to the same school with the same people from kindergarten to 12th grade. Wow. Yeah. What's the population there? Now it's because it's a suburb of. It's a suburb of Raleigh and Raleigh's blown up. It's huge now.

There's a bypass through it. But back then, oh, I don't know. It was farmers. I can't imagine a lot. 10,000? We didn't even have like a grocery store. That's less than 10,000. Yeah.

My town was 6,000. We had a handful of stuff. Oh, then maybe. I'll have to look it up. But so what were you into? growing up what'd you like to do? So yeah, I don't have like I maybe have four memories, maybe a handful of memories before I was 14.

Before you were 14? 14. Like I can remember more after 14. That's why I say 14. So I don't have, I was the oldest of four. I have no recollection of any of them being born or even their dim-miss kids. And my youngest sister is eight years younger than me. So I would have been eight.

So I don't know. I didn't get to have fun. I had to raise them. And yeah, I don't know what I like doing. You have no memories before 14. No, like a handful of fleeting ones. Yeah, I know it was very abusive, toxic. household and my brain blacked it out, I guess.

I have, yeah, zero recollection of most things, so. Jeez. Do you want to go into any of that? Yeah, I mean, we can. What memories do you have? I remember picking up the phone when I was young. I had to be like four or five. And calling 911.

I learned to call 911. My dad was incredibly abusive to my mom. He would, like, beat her very badly. And the cops were at our house, like, a few times a week. And I had to call 911 to save her. I just couldn't continue hearing it. So I have a memory of my mom dropping me off at the end of our driveway. We had a very long driveway up to our house

when we moved into the house that I ended up growing up in. That was like when I was in first grade. She dropped me off at the end of the driveway because we got kicked out of Chuckie Cheese. Do you know Chuckie Cheese? From a birthday party because she was so drunk and she drove me home. And she dropped me off at the end of the driveway and went to rehab for like the third time. And I didn't see her for like a year. That's really it.

I lived in the desert with my grandparents. They were gemologists and we mined Opals for a summer when I was in like seventh grade. I have memories of that. And that's about it. Wow. Yeah. I've never been anybody that doesn't remember anything before they were 14. Yeah.

I didn't know people had memories until I talked to, like, normal people. And I was like, I can't even remember my brother or sisters being born. You know, it kind of hits you that, like, I don't. I never thought about it, but I don't ever remember it. Do you talk to your brothers and sisters? Well, my sister that's two years younger than me, died. in 2015 of a fentanyl heroin lace mix. My brother and I talk, yes, and my youngest sister,

I'm like their mom, I raised them, I, to the best of my ability anyway. So I protected them. How do you know you raise them if you don't remember anything before 14? Because my parents were never there. Like, I remember, like, I was driving them, I was cooking dinner. They didn't have anyone else. anyone else. So I was always their caretaker, like took care of them, made sure if something was

wrong with my mom, like she would be out of her mind and try to drive somewhere with them, and I'd say no. And these are the, like, a lot of my memories come from stories they've told me. And stories my mom would tell me not my own memory, if that makes sense. Like, my sister remembers a lot. She tells me what I did for her. I would go to the school and, like, take care of her if she was having a bad day, like, crying. I didn't know I did that.

And I could drive. These are all just weird things. I just don't remember, so. So what about after 14? Yeah, I mean, the reason I say 14 is because I remember sitting, I remember sitting in my freshman English class. And I looked at the clock and I was like 9, 10 in the morning. And I had just a weird feeling.

And then I go home that day. And my parents were normally home and they weren't. No one was there. And I walk into their room and there's like a dog food all over the place and a vacuum. And I'm like, what the hell happened? And my mom ended up being in intensive care. My dad had beat her so badly with 20-pound bag of dog food and a vacuum cleaner. she ended up in the ICU, unrecognizable.

And that was finally the day that she left him for good. And yeah, I didn't recognize her. But that distinct feeling and like it just all ties together as far as my first like real, real memory. Sheesh. Yeah. All right. So did you?

What happened when he left home? Like when I left for college? Yeah. I got recruited. I ran trek and field and cross-country and I was really good. And I got recruited to go to any school in North Carolina wanted. But I wanted to be so far away from that environment that I chose to go to University of Tennessee, Knoxville. I ended up transferring to NC State, but that's what I did.

I first rode out. I mean, I ran to get out. I knew that if I didn't, I wouldn't get out of that. What was it like leaving your siblings behind? I mean, for me, I didn't. I was like, I've got to go. Like, did I feel bad? Yes, but I also feel like I had done my,

I'd done more than enough of what I could do. And if I didn't take care of myself, there was, it was never going to happen. And to be honest, my sisters at that time, my sister, two years younger than me, had already started getting into, like, drugs and alcohol. And I just couldn't be around. I couldn't be around it. My mental health, I needed to get out. My youngest sister to this day is very mad at me for that.

I guess she sat there and cried when I left. I didn't know the impact I had, right? Like, I didn't, I just was going through the motions in survival mode. I was in survival mode. And, yeah, she's like, you left me. And it's tough to think about, but I had to. So.

But you've forgiven your parents. Yeah, I mean, my parents were, they had me when they were 22. My mom actually was in labor with me on her 23rd birthday. So I guess she was 23. They were young, they were stupid, they should have never been together. And my dad grew up in a very toxic household with his dad was an alcoholic and would threaten to kill himself.

And from the time my dad was little, and he was the only child. And whenever my mom would get drunk, because she was an alcoholic, that's when they were like oil and water. And he never beat us, but the emotion, abuse that I endured for always taking up for her. I was her protector was a lot. It mentally was a lot. And then when she would get drunk, she would just, like, be horrible to me. I was there punching back emotionally. I would dump her wine, fill it with water. I would dump her pills, and I would just take it. She was abusive at times, but she was hurting. I don't know.

to me, I just, I look at people and they're hurting and why am I going to hurt you more? I felt really bad for them. I felt when you see someone in so much pain, it's just, it's not them, so. How long have you to forgive them? I always, I forgive, unfortunately, very easily. I don't forget, but I forgive. I never didn't forget. for them.

They would do it, and I would just be there again. I don't know why. But yeah, I never held anything against them. I was never angry at them. It's funny because I ran track and field, and my dad would roll up the windows in the car and smoke just to punish me. and like, yeah, looking back, it's like, I'm way, I'm way too nice, but, yeah, I was never mean to my parents,

and they're both dead now, they died very young, and so I don't have any regrets. I just, yeah. What got you through that? I think I have weird levels of serotonin in my brain. I never got depressed. I never absorbed it. I think that's really important. I took it, but I didn't absorb it.

I knew that wasn't me. And I knew that wasn't them telling me these things, right? Like, I just don't absorb the insults because I knew they were coming from a bad place. And I think that's how I got through it. I don't know. I have this conversation with my husband all the time. He's like, how are you not just like depressed all the time?

And I think that it's that. It's a mindset. It's like I focus on what I'm grateful for now. I focus on what I have. I focus on what I can do and what I can control. And it really helps those moments of it's not me. It's not personal. This is you.

All right. Let's move into some other stuff. So you went to school and then you, apparently got a job with Northrop Grumman, major defense contractor. Yeah. What were you doing for Northrop Grumman? At first, there was a small team of us that built these cost models for satellites in the sky, like software, and we were in these dark rooms, building models.

It's a great experience, but definitely not me. How did you get recruited into that? How did you find that job? That's pretty high level, it seems like, for somebody right out of school. Yeah, I worked at the cheesecake. factory towards the end of my college career to pay for my school. And I met a girl who was going to work there. And she was a year ahead of me. And I was like, that's cool. I didn't even know that stuff existed in D.C. Like, I was so small down. And she was like, I'll call you when next

year. Just let me know. So I was like, hey, I'm applying. I applied like the FBI. I applied I applied anywhere, American Airlines. And she was like, yeah, come for an interview. And I got the job. Which was crazy from me because they hired people from like MIT and Columbia. They hired economists and engineers and I just never, this was something I had to get over. I never thought I was good enough. Like I just was like, I went to NC State.

Like, it's a great school, but it's not, you know, MIT and yeah, but got it and got a T.S. Right then and there. And that was my first entrance into this world of, but the T.S was easy for me. I had never been anywhere. I had never traveled anywhere. I had never done drugs and it was easy.

So just got into the world that way and then moved throughout it. What else? What else did you do? So after the cost models, I was, they were like, do you want to join this special access program? And that was my first experience of like, we worked in a vault and there were like 10 of us. And I was like, this is so cool.

Like there's levels above T.S. And the program that we did, it was my first introduction to, wow, government, government lies to people. government lies to people to protect them, right? Like, I think you know if everyone knew what the government does to keep our country running, it's not, you can't handle it. Like it's, so that was my first, wow, this can be really cool. And then I went to Booz Allen, Hamilton, and I was at NRO,

which was the agency that nobody talked about. nobody knew existed for a very long time. As a contractor? As a contractor. I really liked, I've had some clients offer me jobs, and I only took one and we'll get to it, but I liked doing something different all the time. I don't like doing the same thing day in and day out.

I think it's part of the trauma probably, but I just can't sit still. So I really liked popping around and going to all these different agencies. And as you kind of move up, career-wise, in the consulting world, you get access to some of these other projects and you see how it all works. And I got to see it from NGA, which is your geo, you know,

your satellites and your NROs to your humans, to your, you know, how it all kind of comes together to your SIGINT. It's very fascinating. So, very grateful that I got top around. Could you get into a little more detail on the kind of stuff you were doing or is it all? Yeah, we can get into detail for like, maybe like at the agency, like CIA, DIA, maybe. What were you doing at CIA?

So CIA, it worked for their CFO and comptroller. And we built, you know, to justify to Congress, they were like, hey, We're going to cut a fifth year budget. We're taking away a base in Afghanistan. We're closing them down so we can take 20% of your budget. And they were having to make all of these decisions and not get their money taken away. And so that kind of transpired into helping them figure out what can we do,

how can we build, we need to know what you're spending your money on so that you can then justify it to them while you need to keep it. And you really start to learn that our government doesn't, our time, tax dollars don't align to the mission that they're actually doing. Like, I think that's the thing that you realize. There's so much fluff in these contracts that they do work that doesn't actually do anything the CIA wants them to do, for instance. So we had to uncover everything they were spending their money on, which was a lot. And then kind of piece it back together for them to tell the story of how can we get Congress to give us a

our money. So we did build the gold standard for how they did that. ODI and I adopted it. It was very cool. It was very cool because we got to get into like director of operations and DS and how they move and where their money goes because where their money goes is where their priorities go. And that started me on the follow the money kind of journey. I think the money tells a better picture than what the story is that you tell people. Because the CIA goes and tells Senate they're doing X, Y, Z, but their money tells a different story. So you start to see that gap.

I mean, it sounds like there's a lot of controversy on your time within the intelligence agencies. So, which I'm not really familiar with, because I'm not on social anymore, so I don't really pay attention. Good for you. But, so, I mean, do you want to be? I mean, do you want to address that at all? Yeah, I mean, I think.

Because there's not really any way to verify it, especially as a contractor. I mean, I was a Blue Badger for the DIA for a good 10 months before I was like, no. I went through that process of the testing and the psychiatrist and all that when I joined DIA. I mean, there are ways to verify it. But to me, I don't owe them. I don't owe that to some random person on the internet. My stuff that I talk about, people have a very hard time when someone comes out and blows up quick, which is what happened to me.

Never in a million years thought it. Like, I didn't have social media prior. I'm a very introverted person. But I started talking about Epstein and the government shut down and just yelling about that. and then finding all this other stuff and researching it. It was so fascinating to me. And people have such a problem with that,

and they just start to discredit you. And at first, it was really hard for me, because I'm like, that's not, you're lying about me. Why would you lie? Why would I get on the internet and say I worked in the intel community? And when I didn't, I... Apparently, people do that. Lots of people do that.

I didn't know that. Because to me, you can ask certain questions, ask about a polly, ask about what, what even a test you went through or what the buildings are. There's so many ways to validate that. Lying about it seems dumb. But I learned that it's an attempt to discredit me, and that's okay. I mean, I have people in the intel community who would come out,

but I wasn't using my real name. So people got mad about that. I can't find you anywhere. Well, no shit. Look what happens when you do. Like, I knew how evil people could be, which is why I stayed off so far. for so long. I get on, and within six months being on social media, I'm already, you're posting

pictures of my kids. Like, I don't like that. So I did try to keep my privacy. And I know who I am, and I didn't feel like I needed to validate it. And the people who follow me and look at my stuff, it's all verifiable. I follow the money. You can, that's the great thing about it. You can look at proof. So if you don't believe me, that's fine. But the discredit, the attempt to discredit people I've seen is crazy right now on social media. So I don't have much to say to them. Think what you want.

Yeah. Well, I know some of them, and some of them have been after me for a long time, too, apparently. But, you know, I always think it's just best not to give them the time of day. Yeah, they don't deserve it. It's sometimes it takes me a minute. But they're also coordinated attacks.

You can tell they're all doing it at the same time. They're reposting messages at the same time. They're using the same narrative. It's happening across multiple different groups of people. And so it's an obvious. I mean, I think the Green Beret guy might have some mental issues. He sent me, he was blasted. to me about something and then he like sent me this long apology letter, which I don't,

I don't care. And, uh, like I said, I don't, I don't think about you. I know. And then, um, I don't know, maybe a month, maybe less than a month, maybe a little more than a month. Not long after he sent the big long apology letter, he started blasting me again, and he's just been blasted me ever since. I mean, I don't pay any of it. It's interesting to know how much real estate I own in that man's head. It's actually kind of cool. It's like, wow. I'm actually controlling your life. And I don't even fucking pay attention to you. It's that pathetic. But I know. I hope that guy gets some help sometime soon. I know. And it seems to be these ex-smil, like these ex-special forces guys coming after me. And it was when I had, like, their first attack on me was a

financial piece I had done on Corey Mills. Yeah, one of the other guys, he completely, these people are, I think this whole group is a little mentally unstable, because I remember the other, there's another one that was in that pack, and he got into it with his wife or something, and then he started, he started, like, posting all this shit, but he was like, he was, like, emotional

and, like, talking about this stuff going on with his wife. I can't remember what was, I can't remember what it is, but I was just like, wow, dude, you're pathetic, and you are way too addicted to the internet right now. Keep that shit private. You know, go to find a therapist or something. Don't post that shit on X. I think they take it out on people, too.

Like, what are your credentials? Why are you questioning mine? I can prove mine. What are yours? Like, why they don't have them. So it's like, this is your life now. Social media is your life. I don't ever want it to be mine.

Like, I don't want social media to be the only thing I do. It's just not who I am naturally, but it is yours, and you're going to come for people for that. Yeah. You'll be exposed. Well, let's get away from this bullshit internet drama. So what's some of the stuff that you're uncovering? What's, you know, let's start with, what do we got? Well, actually, let's go into the corporate intelligence stuff.

Okay. So I want to talk more about what you're doing today. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, Black Widow Global, my LLC that I've tried to keep private, tried to keep them very separate. My clients are very private. But, yeah, I support private equity, murders and acquisitions. Those were my first clients.

Those are the ones I really like doing. You know, you get your due diligence. And sometimes, if they have a question, maybe they think fraud is going on. A board, for instance, is fraud going on in this company? company and leadership, can you look into it? And you start by looking at the people. Are they even capable of it? Some people just aren't capable of committing fraud.

So that's what I do, and I've uncovered a lot. I mean, CEOs who have bought private jets and not told, like, hidden them in vendor payments and, you know, fraud that's happened across leadership teams. Yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy world that... You have political clients? I've started to get political clients because of social media. I will help look into their opponents and help them with messaging certain things about them.

I don't do personal attacks. That's not what I find about people either. I'll do where are they invested. Have they committed fraud? Does it look like that? they've committed fraud. Are they involved with another country? Are they invested in another country? We have so many of our politicians that are. So many of our politicians that have allegedly committed looks like they're just openly committing fraud. And if you're going to do it with your personal life, you're going to do it in politics. You're going to do it with my tax dollars. So how can we pull that out and tell people? So I'm really really. liking that role. And a lot of people on social media have asked me with midterms coming up,

can you compare opponents for us? Can you, because I mean, I'm of the mindset. Left first right is not there anymore. It's not Democrat and Republican anymore. It's America First and not. So who of the opponents is less shady? That's where we're at as a country. Which of our opponents is less shady? Well, speaking of that, Polly Market has the Democrats sitting at a 44% chance of a midterm sweep. With your work inside the political operative space, what do you think about that? Yeah. I think it could be higher. I think the Democrats are going to sweep. And I'm not a Democrat either. Why do you think that? Because I, and this is just too off social media and messaging, but because the right has divided itself so much, it seems. And they did it during the primaries.

fighting so hard against, like Thomas Massey, you've divided the party, and those people aren't going to go to the polls. In the primaries, that was great for you, right? Your opponent won. But it's Republican or Republican. When you go Republican and Democrat, when you've got half the party that's like,

I'm not going to go vote because the person you put in isn't who I want in, I'm not going to vote Democrat, so I'm just not voting. Well, you've just limited, and I think the Democrats are going to go out in full force. they're going to vote. So I do think that the division of the right is going to cause the Democrats to win.

What do you think caused the division of the right? Like with Massey. Did you look into that? Oh, yeah, I looked. Did you look into that election? I mean, that was the biggest, what, the most expensive election? Or what do they say? Yeah, the most paid for it.

I think they dumped 30. I'm going to go with like 40, 45, if you were to look at it, all said and done, million into having Massey lose. I looked into the woman that they had that was accusing him. She was getting money for her school board. All of a sudden, I looked into Ed Gowlerian and where his funds were coming from. And it was obviously a paid-for election.

And yeah, they won. So that right there, that, when Massey lost, I think that's what divided. That was like the straw that broke the camel's back. You have like the people who were screaming and saying, MAGA, MAGA, MAGA, Trump, everything Trump's doing is right. And people can see, like, no, he came in, why people are mad about it. Are we going to have self-awareness and address that?

Or are we not? And they're not. And that's where the party is dividing. So I think it kind of all happened. And I think Charlie Kirk's assassination, almost was like the catalyst to it all. If you look back, that's what it looks like. What do you think?

What do I think why it's divided? Yeah, what do you think why it's divided? I think it's divided for a whole multitude of reasons. I think it's, I mean, but, I mean, we can get into all of it, but I think it's divided because the lies have been so blatant. Yeah. From the original campaign. And that's why I think

I think that Joe Kent's resignation was maybe a big, maybe the first catalyst. Not the first catalyst, but the first big oh shit, you know. And how they treated him after that. Yeah, and his deceased wife.

Yeah. As well. But I think it was, I mean, everything's pretty much broken down, you know. No new wars. We're in a big war. No new, you know, the Maha movement, we're going to save the food. Then we give, you know, the glyphosate company immunity. You know, we're going to hold all these social media guys accountable for the censorship. We're sitting behind everybody at inauguration. We're going to,

like, it, we're going to end the Ukraine war before I even get into office, still going strong. we're going to let's just you know you're you're exactly right you're exactly right um what are some more the epstein files yeah the epstein files you know we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're we're gonna we're gonna hold people accountable for the upstein files yeah the only names have been released are the victims um yeah all that stuff yep no i agree It's a wild time right now in politics. And I couldn't have an opinion for so many years, because when you're in that space, you're not allowed to have an opinion

on politics. You have to keep quiet. Coming out of it and learning it all and looking back at the playbooks, because that's what you learn. Like at the CIA, I was read into all of our programs that don't ever become unclassified. Kind of the beauty of being that money person. And you look at our playbook and how we do it against other countries.

And it's real hard for me. As some of no memories, it's almost like pattern recognition is the only thing I can rely on. And you see it being deployed on Americans now. And I think that is what is so scary to me and why I even started on social media to yell about it because it's happening. Like we're doing it and we're not even good at it. Like we fail multiple times. I don't know any time we've really been successful.

And now we're doing it to our own people. Like, I don't know. I want to rate, I want to, I want my daughters to be in a country where that was like it was 10, 20 years ago, at least. Dark, but not whatever we are now. And I don't necessarily think it's just social media or access to information that's causing all of this. I think it's a behavior of people. The fact that so many people get away with buying influencers and they don't have to say who they are,

but you're pushing a political agenda to do so. Well, did you see that big time article that just came out about the big influencer campaign? The 7K... No, no, no, no. It was after that. I'll pull it up after this and re-referenced. review it and bring it to him. But actually, maybe we should do that right now. But actually, first, so are you, are you an economist?

Yeah. I mean. So I want to talk to you about the petro dollar because that scares the shit out of me. Yeah. You know, with the, with, I mean, you know about bricks, I'm sure, you know, and what is it, UAE already said when they run out of dollars, they're going to trade in the Chinese yuan. the straiter her moves now, I mean, will never be the same again because what this war did is, I mean, now Iran knows they can control it. And so I'm sure there'll be all kinds of taxes and that kind of stuff going through the straits. And Dave, it's anyways, so it's not looking good for the petro dollar. Can you go into that at all?

Have you looked into that? I haven't looked into it as far as like what's happening now, and I should. I need to. It's been on my list. I do have so many people who have talked about how it's basically going to be the thing that takes over. What's going to be the thing? How, so I have a lot of people on social media talking about,

we go after countries and they're tied to this, it's all about the Petro Dollar. and I haven't looked into it yet, but so many people are concerned about it. I just haven't. Okay. So sorry. Oh, good. I can get info on it and but. Okay. So where do we move from here?

Um, what do you mean like? Our conversation? Yeah. Let's talk about the TPPUSA or David Raj, this DIA guy, or wherever you want to go. Let's go TPSA. My favorite topic. Just in general? Yeah.

So it's interesting because Charlie Kirk, my kids had come home the day before. Their school has one of the largest TPSA chapters in the nation. And they came home and they were like, everyone is hating them. on it, the protests outside. And I'm like, they're like, everyone hates Charlie Kirk. He's so bad, he thinks this and this and this. And I was like, that's not what he thinks. He gets people to talk.

That's what I appreciated about him. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I appreciated how he got people to talk about politics. I feel like we've lost that art, and it's kind of separated and divided people. And then the next day, you see that he is assassinated. And immediately it was like, what? What?

It was crazy. But then I learned a few days later, maybe a week later, that he had asked for this doge-like assessment, eight days before he was killed. He wanted financials and operations to be looked at. And as somebody who works with CEOs, when they say that, they think something's up. They think maybe one of their executives is doing something. They think something's wrong with their company. It's not adding up because you don't ask for something like that if everything's good. And so I was like, well, I wonder what they would have found. Let me just start digging into what would they have found if they looked into the financials and they looked into the operations. Was there anything? And that is just what started to uncover everything. And assassination aside, this says, I don't like linking anything. It's not linked to his death at all. The financials of this nonprofit, specifically, it's a very very,

well-funded, it has grown, I think, like, 300 and something percent from the time it started. Just 2024 to 2025 alone, it went from $85 million to $15 million. That's huge. Wow. And five donors give 80-some percent of their money. Who are their donors? So the Wilkes brothers, I think like the Bradley Fund, And Robert Shillman gives it through this charity so that his name wasn't attached, but it came out that he pulled it $2 million two days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. He's won. I would think Marianne Madelson, they keep them secret.

It's dark, it's dark, it's dark money. It's very hard to figure out who the donors are unless you go and look at their filings, which is what I did. but I only found three of them. But you can see that there's five donors. So that was interesting. And then when you start to look at the vendors, that's where I go to first. If you're going to look at a financial form

and you're assessing an organization, you go to the vendors first because that's the easiest way to hide money. Hey, I'm going to hire you, friend. I'm going to give you 300 grand to do marketing for me. Done. Now my friend gets 300 grand. I siphon it back to me.

And that's how a lot of people do it. So you look at their vendors. And when I started to look at their vendors, all of the LLCs were tracing back to friends or people inside of the organization. And I was like, well, that's strange. Over $20 million. And so I'm like, well, this would have alerted me if I was CEO. Where's my money going?

In 2023, they spent more than they took in, which was crazy because I think it was like $70 million. And I think that around then... What did they spend it on? They spend it on these vendors that are marketing. They put out papers. They put out the things asking you to donate, the campaigns. It's literally printed material. Tens of millions of dollars.

And the thing is, on the form, you only have to list your top five vendors. then you have to tell them how many make over 100K. And on their 2024 form, I think they had five vendors that were getting paid $7 million. Then the vendors that made over $100K, 62 or 64. So you have 64 other random vendors getting paid over $100,000. That's a lot. And you don't have to report them on that form.

And I think that's where some of the, LLCs live that I have found. So there's financial irregularities. Because I have a fraud examiner license. It's a fraud person. So you're saying that these donors would funnel the money in and then it would come right back out to the vendors. Is that what you're saying? So the donors give the money. 60-something vendors are getting paid over $100,000. That's, what, $6 million? It's at least. But it's $115 million nonprofit.

That's what they're making a year. Yeah, that's what they're bringing in. And if you look at it, like I did a breakdown of, if I gave on it. So roughly $85 million is kind of what you're saying is from a small group of three to five. people? Yeah, I'd say like 70 to 85 million. They get not a ton from people. But most of their budget, if you look at it, most of their goes to these conferences and events that you have to pay to go to. How's that a nonprofit? Oh, did you? I don't know. Did you have to pay to go to those? I've never been, but you do have to pay 350 for an adult and like 75 for a student or something. So you're spending tens of millions of dollars. on these events, they're your number one cost, and people have to pay to go to them? Isn't that, that's actually not a nonprofit, right?

That's interesting. Yeah. See, I thought he was doing all this stuff for free at college campuses. Oh, the college campus thing is for free, but they're like Amfest and all these big events that they have. Oh. Oh, okay. Where most of their money goes, you have to pay to go. The convention stuff?

Yeah. So if you're a nonprofit, I'm just, it's very interesting, to me that, and they have, I mean, if you look, they have four entities. It's not just TPSA, they have an endowment, they have their TPSA action, which is their political arm, and then they have the Americas, and they just funnel money to them all, and then it goes out the door. So if you look at their behavior, it just starts to muddy the money. That's all it does.

And you're like, why are you doing that? They have reported wages for the money. three and a half million dollars, and they reported zero employees on one of their things. Just like, I don't know how you're getting away with this, to be honest. And so all of that just led me down the path of who could be involved in this financial stuff, like who the LLCs trace back to. And it's all their executive leadership. And it's crazy.

And so it's like, why did he ask? Maybe that's why. So are you saying that's why you think he was killed? He put in an inquiry to basically put in an audit? I don't think that's why he was killed. I don't think that's why he was killed at all. I think that the people who had motivations, if you were one, okay, we'll say allegedly, if you were one of the theory that Tyler Robinson didn't do it, if you were to look at other people.

And if you look at their motivations of what would they have, covered up and why. Like, why would they be in on this? You look at their financial motivations, and you look at who had the most to gain. Like, who's gained the most since his death financially? Rob McCoy, the pastor, who was part of TPSA Faith, Mikey McCoy's dad. He's got a lot of notoriety, Tyler Boyer, Andrew Colvad, all of them. They've gained financially, not saying they had anything to do with it, but it's something that, like, you should look. at.

It's probably going to be a lot of trouble. How they, I mean, what have they gained financially? What are they just sucking money out of the nonprofit now? Is it, or did they increase their salary? How are they gaining financially? Different people of different ways. So Resolute Media, you know, where they run this show out of, they still call the Charlie Kirk Show, and they, that's a for-profit entity.

And they're using the name and like that. using the name and likeness of a nonprofit for the for-profit and you have to pay royalty fees to do that and they're not anywhere there's no royalty fees being paid and when you have Salem media hooked up to that that does the ads and stuff i mean i don't think anybody even watches that anymore they don't so that wouldn't be a big financial gain but it is if their advertisers are paying them to push whatever messages just like advertising does push whatever messages and all of a sudden the Charlie Kirk show started coming out against, against Israel, and they're pouring all this money into influencers, that's going to not look good.

And then the donors start pulling out, and now they don't. They are 100% on the different page than Charlie Kirk was when he was assassinated. Just looking at it from that perspective, it's, that's how they'd make their money, advertisers. Yeah, but they'd still have to, I'm just challenging you here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, they would still have to, if there's nobody watching, advertisers aren't going to pay anything because nobody's watching. And, I mean, I don't watch it, you know what I mean? So I don't know, but I don't know anybody. I knew a lot of people that wanted to watch Charlie Kirk.

Yeah. I don't know anybody that wants to watch. the new folks. Yeah. No, I mean, that's a great point. And that's why I think. And so actually, I would think that they would probably be losing money, a lot of money. Yeah, I just, and you might be right.

But the way that they operate on social media, it's not, so it's not just their show. It's, they're pushing out messages on social media, helping politicians. So you think that maybe they're making the money for pushing narrative. not from advertisers. Well, yeah, but I think that they're advertisers, you know, Salem Media was their host, and Brad Parckel's the one that gets... Who are their advertisers?

That's a great question. I don't watch their show. Okay. But Brad Parzcal, who owns Salem Media, was the one that gets, I think now he's up to $60 million from Israel. He's in FARA. They pay him to push out this stuff. He's registered in FARA. they were distributing the Charlie Kirk show. So pushing out that narrative, not necessarily advertisers.

It could be that money, which is money to push political narratives. Do you know what narratives are pushing? I mean, they are... I'm just a genuine... I don't watch it at all. I don't watch them. I don't watch the show. No. But on social media, they push... out like the anti-fraud government J.D. Vance, that whole task force, they push that out really hard. They pushed out the Iran more. They're for it. Anything that Trump says, they push out. So definitely pro-Israel.

Merging of the militaries is a good thing. Things like that. It's- Oh boy. AI data centers aren't bad, things like that, that you're just like, huh? Interesting. I think there's big money to be made in that if I was willing to sell my soul. Well, yeah, I mean, what they already caught them, what, pen, I mean, I don't know who, but people, they're paying people, what, $7,000 or whatever a post? 20 to 30 posts a month, that's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. And they're ramping up the budget.

Was it a post or was it a month or was it a week? A post. It was $7,000 per post. Do you have a list of who was taking that money budget? I wish. People are trying to work on getting it. I mean, you can tell me, the far right influencers who have become so big and they went to the Tyler Robinson trial

and came out and said, we saw the shot. We saw the shot. And then they had to bet they didn't. So like, anyone who said that, it came out so, no. I mean, some of it, you know, like, I think it kind of started with the, remember when all the influencers went to the White House and held up the Epstein files? And then it turned out that all that shit had already been released anyways. And there was a big nothing burger.

I mean, I think that, I don't think it's always money. You know, I think that it, I think a lot of people, they get, they think there's somebody now because they've been to the White House or they're around the president or the vice president or the administration and they feel like they're part of something. And then they start feeling powerful and, I mean, all this kind of stuff. And I think that the, you know, I think that the administration can take advantage of that. Not just this administration, all the administrations, you know, and you bring them in, you have dinner with them. And you know what I mean? And so it's like a capture.

It's a capture. Because we got invited to a bunch of this shit. And I was like, no, we don't fucking do that. We don't need to be in photos with them holding up. You're not a fed? Yeah. That's all I keep hearing is that you're fed. I don't think all these people are feds.

I don't think they understand what's happening to them. I think they're overwhelmed with the sense of, of they feel like they've accomplished something. They feel like they're a big. They're a part of something. They feel powerful, you know, and they're overwhelmed with these feelings. And their ego gets, you know, involved, extremely inflated. And they can't see past it.

You know what I mean? they can't see past, you're being used. Yeah. Like, once you're in that, you can't fucking get out. Yeah. Like, once you have been there and you held the binder up, you're done. Yeah. Like, you're on that team.

That is it. That's it. Yeah. You know, and I don't think that's a payment. I mean, you could give a lot of people a White House invite and they'll be like, fuck, yeah, let's go. It's the White House, you know. And, and it's, it's, it's.

It's, you know, it's a feeling of being, uh, entering a new, a, what, how do I say? Like a new social level. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's kind of, I guess like influencers. I've advanced to the next tier. I've advanced to the top tier. Yeah. You know, and, and I don't think that costs a lot of money.

Maybe it does. I mean, but I think a lot of them are, um, unfortunately, very foolish. and just got roped into something, you know, not even fucking realizing it. Do you think that's a possibility? I think that, I mean, your guess is as good as mine, but I do think that the White House is almost like an influencer event if you're a beauty influencer and you get invited by a beauty product to go somewhere and they treat you well and you go and then you go back,

you're still paid to push that product. So going to the White House is almost just like getting everyone together on board, same page. But then you go back and you're paid to push it. I don't think they would do it for free. I don't think they believe it enough. I don't think they believe actually. I think they maybe talk themselves into it perhaps. I don't think they actually believe the narratives they're pushing.

You can't possibly. Well, they might not now. Yeah. But they're also, like I had mentioned, they're captured. They're trapped. Yep. No, I think you're right. It could have easily started as something that was innocent. I want to support the government. Government wouldn't lie to me.

You can see a couple of them that have kind of backed off, you know. They haven't really changed the narrative or their direction, but they've, some of them are not near as loud as they used to be. Do you have names? Thank you. I don't like mentioning names, but we'll bleep it. Do you see Drano? Oh.

You know, and like I said, I haven't been on it over a month on any of this shit, but, because I think it's pretty worthless at this point, but like I've noticed that dude has kind of like toned it down a little bit. And he was one of them out there, you know? He was one holding the binder. I don't see his stuff pop up, so maybe he was very right though, right? Like he was very like.

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has been running a paid, FARA registered influence campaign inside the United States on behalf of the Israeli government aimed squarely at young conservatives in the MAGA base. U.S. officials separately suspect the same network amplified criticism, of Trump's Iran ceasefire. Par scale denies that second claim outright. A U.S. intelligence official told time, the unusual part is not that a foreign government ran an influence operation. Russia, Iran, and China all do. But the target, not swing voters, not the general public, but the sitting president's own political base. The same official noted that if there is one par scale, there are likely others. Have you heard about this? Yeah, I've gone deep.

into Brad Parscale's operation too. He has multiple LLCs that do different things. Like, Nucleus sends out these tags, I have some, I did a whole conversation with their bot the other day asking me about my views on Israel and the U.S. strategic relationship. And they're trying to convince people that Israel's protecting itself. And the bot even was just like, then they'd also do the page. influencers. And that's why that's one of the operations that I think that the Charlie Kirk show is operating under like we were talking about earlier. You think they're doing that?

I do. Do you have any proof of that? Well, we have pulled up like the coordinated messaging. So, for instance, the ceasefire, the minute it happened, they all had the same sort of messaging and you can get it from the Andrew Colvettes and the Benny Johnsons and all of the people who are pushing these narratives, they have the same timing and the same words. And if you look for it, it's really easy to see that they're all doing it together. So I don't think they're doing it for free. And Brad Pascal's operation is the biggest one.

And he has to report in FARA. And you can go in there, and I have just recently, he's gotten more money and you can see every transaction that they pay him a month. It's gone from like 3 million to like 15 million a month. It's a well-oiled machine that they push out these narratives. It's gone from 3 million to what's gone from 3 million? Like it's like 12 million a month, now 15 million a month, something like that. What is?

How much his companies get from this German advertising company. That's how they do it. Israel pays this German, I think it's called Hav. It begins with an H. Israel pays this German advertising company who then pays the U.S. so that technically you can say you're not getting paid by Israel, but you're registered in FARA under Israel. And that's how they're doing it. And so he gives the money to these influencers,

and they can say, I'm not doing this for Israel because technically they're not. But yeah, he has to report all of that. And the money has just grown. He registered in FARA just within a week of Charlie Kirk's assassination. And then the money has just substantially increased since. Jeez. It's crazy.

You got anybody else doing this or? Just me. You mean researching all? I mean, who else has taken money like that? So Salem Media, there's another, I don't remember her position, C-O-O, something like that. She's registered in FARA as well. Their operation. No one else do I think that certain people should be?

Absolutely. I think that there are a few that should be registered in FARA. But Pam Bondi back in 2025, one of the first things she did when she got in was, you don't have to register in Farr unless you're literally an agent for that country. She stripped the FARA requirements. Interesting. Let's talk about Waze, the app.

Yeah. What's going on with Ways? A lot of people use Ways. A lot of people, I used Ways. Somebody, you know, like 0.25 people or something, 0.25% of people read terms and services. Do you read terms and services conditions? No, I don't either. Well, in Ways' terms and services,

somebody online read it, one of the unicorns. And it said in their clear as day, it's run by Israel. It's run out of Israel and it's run by Israel. And if you sue them for any sort of reason, if something happens, you have to sue the app, you have to go to Israel to do it. You can't do it in the United States.

And so when I looked more into it, I was like, that's really interesting. And Google bought it for $1.3 billion back in the United States. like 2012, something like that. But they didn't require ways to leave Israel. And they allowed them to keep their terms and services so that if anything happened, it was run out of Israel, but your data over there, everything. All of your data that you give ways sitting over there. And Google allowed that. And I was curious, it was like how many other apps are like this? there are quite a few, quite a few, that if something happened,

like I know if you sue X, and I only know this because another creator tried to do it, she had to go to Texas for her filing, like weird state things. But with ways, you have to go to Israel, and they're not like our, you don't get a jury, you don't, it costs you more to go to even do that. And I'm like, how does an app run a U.S.-based app? Everyone thinks Google owns it. How are they allowed to do this without telling you? Are we just going to put everything in these terms and services so nobody reads it anymore?

Like, that's why I think the trust is gone. Like, do I have to read terms and services now? That's what it does. You all operated, run out of, and the three founders of it are former 8200, IDF 8200. Interesting. Interesting. So that's... You know, I guess something you could do is just copy and paste all the terms and services

and run it through an AI program at this point now that it's up and running. that'll tell you all the red flags. Yeah, I think we could even, like, what I'm going to do is try to set up an agent to go and just search terms and services agreements and pull out any with red flags. Because there are some weird ones operating in the United States, too, that I don't think people realize what they're doing, what they're signing, and it'd be interesting to see how many.

Probably pretty much all of them. I know. But this one, the Israel part, was, I don't think Google as being forthcoming. And I think if they told people, when I told people, so many people deleted the app. But you need to give people that choice. Otherwise, they lose trust in what you're doing. And is that where we're at? I don't. That's the problem. What about the flock cameras? Do you know anything about them? You know Nashville is one of the number one places that use them. You know that? I did not know that. I've been waiting to talk to

somebody about this. I don't dug into it much yet, but I know everybody's pissed off about it. Okay, so Flock was founded by three Georgia Tech students who, they were like, the license plate is the thing that helps you find the bad guys. That's your nucleus. So we should be able to track license plate and stop crime. The intention was good, I think, when they started it. Then they got some investors, and those investors have taken them to new levels. and they're selling them to police departments and everything, and they're creating add-ons. So now the flock camera grabs your license plate. Great, can track you. But now they have an add-on called Nova, no flock Nova.

And that add-on now says, oh, this license plate is owned by John, Ryan. And I now can link everything about him and from databases that we have, open source. So your emails, LinkedIn, all the stuff you can find open source. Okay, your address, that's not great. But they've also, this hacker, white glove hacker, found a vulnerability where they actually were also getting information from the dark web.

So that means that they're getting your bank account too. And they're getting your social security number. And they're able to have that by you driving by. That's no longer, we're going to get into this, preventing crime. crime, that's starting to look like surveillance. And then they've also partnered with this other company, and that company can read Bluetooth devices. So if you're a passenger in that car, and you have a Bluetooth device, now they know you're riding with it, they're putting it all together, and then they'll know everything about you because of this Nova add-on. And so at what point

does it stop being your stopping crime and start being surveillance? And you're building the surveillance state right under people's noses. And I think that's what they're concerned about. There are so many technology advancements being added to what could have just been something to stop crime that is now getting information on people, innocent people. And that's the problem. And we can pull it up.

I'm going to show you this because I think that people will really like this. I could be there. There is a website called Have I Been Flocked? I suggest everybody go to it. And in this website, it's just these activists who these activists put together this website that pulled the audit log. So police departments, federal agencies, anyone who accesses flock to look

for a license plate, they've foiled, they've gotten these audit logs. It's not the most of today, I think it's like a month or too old, and they don't have everybody, but they have over 430 million hits. And so if a police officer is going to look up your license plate because they think you're doing something nefarious, it will show in here. And what they do is they put in their number, and they put in the reason that they're looking up your plate, right? we can't just look up random people for no reason.

And what this audit log is finding, and have I been flocked, shows you all of this. You have 426,940,000 records in here, okay? You have almost 4.7 million plates that have been searched. And 9% of them, were for crime. Nine. The other 91 were for other reasons. Like, that starts to really negate the whole, are you really using it for crime? And they found that, hold, let me pull up this

stat. These are really interesting. Okay. I have my stats here. I'll get you. Eighty-four.2 percent of all of the searches, over four million, have no case number, which means that they're not tied to an open case of, I can look up your license plate. There's a warrant for you. Eighty-four percent. The single most common search reason is blank. Nothing. The median reason is only eight characters long,

which just means they're typing something in. And 66.3 million searches have no reason recorded at all for why they looked up your license plate or information on you. I think that's crazy. And the biggest users, the Nashville, Tennessee Police Department, and Harris County, Texas Sheriff's Office. And they also found that hundreds of thousands of these searches

were done by people who weren't authorized to necessarily do it. So your login information was used by your buddy. And everyone can go to have I've been full. and they can look up all of this information. Like the audit logs, you can go search for your own license plate number. I'm happy to put one in and see if you've been searched. It'd be interesting to do some Nashville ones, since you guys use it so much.

Because it's like, why would you be looking me up? I don't do anything. Mm-hmm. So I think it's a really valuable website they're putting together, and they have all of this data. Like, how many searches actually apply to crime? how many, what's the most searched reason? I mean, they're searching people who go to protests,

who are seen at protests. And I think that combined with the surveillance aspect of it is where we start to get into, we need to fight this. And then Trump coming out and saying, AI data centers, you're just gonna have to let them happen. Like, I just, yeah, it's, it makes you wonder the purpose of flock. But L.A. just recently, people are fighting this successfully.

And this is what I think is important. I'm a big advocate for, like, justice. You can fight this still. There are towns that are getting rid of them. There are towns that are without destroying them. There are towns that are voting them down, and they're winning. L.A., which was one of the biggest users, just in July, just this month,

they're going to get rid of them. Because of this new technology and the capabilities that it has, they can't be trusted. So, yeah, I think that's why people are concerned, and I think they have every reason to be concerned. Interesting. Have I BeenFlocked.com?

Have I been flocked.com? So who does have access to it? Is it just PDs or what? Interestingly enough, PDs, and you'll see federal agencies in here, like there are some FBI bureaus in here. But they were in a pilot program nobody knew about. They weren't supposed to have flock isn't,

it's for states, for police departments. So they got caught, though, when they foiled for these records. They got caught at who was participating in this from a federal level, which would make sense, right? I need to access to your cameras. But, yeah, police departments, federal agencies, those are who, who's accessed in this log. And you can see everyone. You can see if they're in your city, if you're in your town. It's a great website. But it also is a website that shows you

the auditability and what they're really doing with this. And there was a sheriff caught for looking up a woman who's going to have an abortion. He looked in three states, woman, abortion, flock camera. Like, I just, It's been reported that there are sheriffs or people in police departments who are using it to go after ex-girlfriends, look to see what they're doing. And that's, when you don't have the right guardrails around it, that's where I think they get into. Does the OPR do the same thing, a license plate reader? No, no. Not unless it has this attachment on it.

Because you can, the NOVA is an attachment to Flock. It's Flock Nova. and they don't have to have a procurement to show you they bought it. So you don't know which flock cameras have the capability to look you up or not. And I do think that whether it does or not, technically, if they had your license plate,

they have your name, they could do it, but they're creating this database, all under the guise of stopping crime. So let me ask this, because I don't like this either, but I can see some sort of. of benefits. You have kids, right? So what if one of your kids was kidnapped and he had the license plate and he got it to the PD and they ran it through the flock system? Can they track real time where the vehicle is? Yeah. And where it is? Yeah. And they even have a drone capability

that I read about that they can deploy to up to like 30 feet or something to follow the car. Absolutely. I think I'm a big advocate. and I'm a bit also a person that's like, if you're not doing any, I understand the argument. If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care? But there is a line that is crossed. And if they were using it for just that, great. But when you look at the audit logs, they're not. So what would you like to see Don?

Would you like the flock cameras to be eradicated? Or would you like there to be better guardrails? I think. It's interesting because I think we're in a state in our country where it's like trust is just at an all-time low. There is no trust. There is no trust. I have zero trust in any government institutions. Same.

None. Same. Like nothing. And it's so disheartening, but it's where we're at. And because of that, I don't think it's either or I don't think we can have flock cameras with proper guardrails because we don't have trust in the people setting up the Those garbrioles, they would abuse it. I think that, I think maybe even the baby boomer generation is starting to lose trust. Oh.

Not all of it. Maybe 25%. I don't know. Like a month ago. I have no idea, but I am, I meet some that, I mean, there is getting to them, you know. And so I think it's a slow, slow process. I mean, but even that. If that generation is the only ones that have any trust in the government, maybe I should say it like that.

They're the only ones that have any trust left in the government is that generation. I agree. And it's got to be tough for them, I mean, to be at that age and realize, you know, to come to terms with everything that you've ever been told is a fucking crock of bullshit. I mean, that would be tough. Your entire world gets flipped upside down in what, a year? Yeah, and why? Why you're not open to it. They're not even open to the possibility because it would, it would shatter everything that they know. Yeah. I think my grandmother is incomplete. Like, I talked to her just a month or two ago. Like, I went to visit her. She always has on Fox News. And she was like, I'm not having any of it. Like, you do realize things that are going on. Nope. But they're also, she's also 89. And so it's just like, why? At that. I don't know if I'd accept it either. I'd be like, I'm just going to sit here and not, I'm just going to pretend the world is good.

Yeah. Because what's my alternative? But yeah, no, trust is at an all-time low. And so I do think for flock, unfortunately, it's not even the proper guardrails I wouldn't trust. So you're at a flock. Yeah, I've written 24, there were 40,000 flock cameras. Then in 2025, there were 80,000. thousand flock cameras and now there are over a hundred thousand and we're halfway you know we're halfway through the year here what other cities oh they're they're everywhere um virginia texas and california are the three where there's the most i'm in virginia um but i think they're in every state, but bringing awareness to it is what's causing it to kind of start, like, L.A. is getting rid of there. That's a huge amount of block cameras. L.A. is what? Getting Red. Like, they just voted. They're getting rid of them? I'm pretty sure when I read it today,

they just voted to, like, they're gonna stop using them. Holy shit, go California. You won't hear me say that. I know, ever, I know. Same. So, L.A. is, if they're, if they're fighting back, it's kind of like, hmm, I think the more people are aware of them, the more people they're aware of, like, what they really are doing, the audit logs, the more they're going to fight back. Whereas before it wasn't like that, no one knew. So now it's being uncovered. And that's, I think, the power of the things like you do and I do.

It's bringing to light these things that people were like, I had no idea. Is there anybody that you know that is like an expert on the flock camera subject? as in what sense? I don't know. That's getting loud about it, that's uncovering things that nobody knows about it. Are you it? Are you that person? Yeah, I mean, as far as in the circle of like creators that I've seen, I'm the most obsessed

with it. Because the, when I started to look at, I always start with the fall of the money because I feel like that leads you to things. And when I looked at who invested in the flock cameras, it was two investors who are the biggest investors in Israeli surveillance companies, like Toka. Maybe you heard of Toka? Toka is the company founded by Ehud Barak, and he has emails with Epstein about it, that can go into any camera real time and alter the footage, delete the footage, and leave no forensic trace. Interesting. insane. And Carbine. Any, any camera, what do you mean? They can get into any camera. Any camera

that's attached to the rub? Your ring camera, your flop camera. So anything that's attached to the internet? If we detach one of these and... Yeah, anything attached to the internet. What about an iPhone? Yeah, into the footage. Yeah. So what it does, it goes, it goes into live camera feed. So if you're recording and it can, like a ring camera, for instance, and it can alter, you. It can alter, that footage, delete the footage, real time, and leave no forensic trace. And in 2018, when it was being talked about, Ehud Brock had exchanged emails with Epstein, and he was asking Epstein to talk to the intel agencies about it. And they were getting it in the government.

And just recently, like within the past few years, they've opened up an office in D.C. So... All but a bunch of Epstein's clients would have loved to be able to tap into their own footage. I'm like, huh, is that what we're doing? So, yeah, that's, I mean, pretty scary capability. I can't think of any non-nefarious reason you would use it except to cover things up. Yeah. And those are the investors in flock cameras.

Interesting. I mean, that's another question I have, you know, with the flock camera stuff. I mean, we're already just being tracked everywhere. You know what I mean? The phone is like the main thing. But then, you know, you brought up the... ring cameras and I mean pretty much everybody has a ring camera or a or a simply safe camera or equivalent you know there's a Google camera there's a ton of them right every house has them

they're all connected to the internet people I mean they've been used to solve crimes so I mean we're pretty much we're just we're on camera all the time anyways yeah but ring actually and shout out to them for this, they were gonna partner with Flock. Flock wanted to partner with them so they could track even through ring cameras. And ring once they learned more cut their relationship. Interesting. So they don't allow them to do that. Wow.

So I'm like, oh, at least good surveillance or best surveillance? But yeah, no, you're right. The thing is, we're being tracked all the time. Where are they going to go with it? That's the question. Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't know. Where do you think they're going to go with it? I mean, I think about this a lot.

Because I'm not, I don't like conspiracy theories, but I've also realized conspiracy theories are actually, like a lot of them are actually true, which is crazy. But I do think that there is potential, based on everything I'm seeing, with the push for AI data centers, the push for messaging that we will, our First Amendment, will be monitored and punished or not through some sort of centralized banking. Like, it's all going to be tied together.

They're pushing for centralized digital banking. So if you speak out against something, you're punished. I could see that happening. Obviously, that's extreme for, like, what I think they would do with it. But I don't know why else. they would. Yeah. I do think it will be used to monitor and, yeah.

What do you think about the military's merging? Oh, it's, it's, I can't believe it. I can't actually believe it. Well, it's not military's murray. Right, that's the term people use. Yeah, it's what is, it's basically a tech merge. Is that what it is? Yeah, so it, there's like six components to it.

and it's system sharing. Like, you're going to get into, allow access into our sippers, or J-Wix, like what? I understand, and I did a thing on it months ago, I understand wanting to do it to, Israel is so advanced in their technology, in their weapons, they are. And so being able to leverage that, great. This isn't that.

And that's the problem. It's like this is actually linking systems. It can't be undone. And the reason I think that it's not for something good, like just to do something as innocent as share capabilities. It's definitely nothing good. It's because they're standing up their own office. In fact, we just disregard our own intelligence agencies as it is and just listen to theirs, whatever they say. I don't even know why the fuck.

I don't even know why we even have intelligence agencies anymore. Let's just listen to what Israel has to say. Apparently, and let them spy on her. I mean, even the DIA came out and said, this is the crazy thing. The DIA came out and said, Israel is spying on our government officials. They are like espionage threat. We're like, let's merge. And people say merging militaries and everyone gets caught up on that term.

I think it's just the term people use. But it's merging our tech. It's, they even had something in there, the last one, it's biohealth. It's merging our health stand. Like, why would you need to do that with Israel? It's merging our capabilities. They are going to be so integrated with our military, it's, you're going to have access to everything.

And the scariest part is that you're standing up your own office to do it. Like, they're standing up their own. So Netanyahu comes out and says, I don't want hate anymore. We don't want you to send us aid. We don't want America to send us aid. This was a few months ago. But what they're going to do is say that, so they look like the good guys, but this office

that they're going to stand up, it's going to have a director, its own org, its own budget. And now we're not going to be able to see how much money we're giving to Israel, because all they have to do is give a certain amount that's public. Everything else has run through the special access programs channels, the classified channels that nobody sees. And all the money.

goes and nobody can yell about it. And I think that's why they're doing it. And that's, it can't be undone. It can't be undone once it's done. And I don't think they realize this. How close are we to the merge? So the House voted, they passed it. But what happens now is the Senate. I thought the Senate already voted this shit out. Yeah, but it's weird. The NDAA is, it's 1,700 pages long. It is a, it's the biggest defense, I mean, it's our defense budget for the It takes them a long time. So the Senate marks theirs up. That's what they did. In June, they marked theirs up. They have a version. And they go to pass it and they did it. The House passed their version. So now the House's version goes to the Senate. And the Senate says, are we going to pass this

house version? Are we going to have our own? Are we going to mark it up? What are we going to do? And then they pass whatever they have, whatever they come up with. They can be different. Then they get into a committee, the House and the Senate, a closed door. So we lose all transparency. The closed door committee then says, okay, we're going to create a final NDAA out of this. The 219 could be stripped. It could be enhanced. It could change. I think I read there was only three Republicans that voted against it, Eli Crane, Tim Burchett, and Massey, I believe.

Am I right on that? Seven. Seven. Luna, the one. woman in Florida. And then there were two or three others. There were seven of them. And then there were seven Republicans that crossed party lines and there were six Democrats that voted yes. And it only passed. Only six Democrats voted yes. What the fuck has happened? And Henry, yeah, the Democrats voted no. And Henry Kuehler, who was one of the Democrats that voted no, he was going to prison for

decades, like in 2024, before Trump pardoned him. He was going to prison for decades for being a foreign agent and taking fraud bribes from them. And Trump pardoned him, and now he votes, he voted to spy on us without a warrant, and he votes for the merger. He votes for the Republicans. And I found that very interesting. So. Politics, man. Yeah. And it only failed, It only passed by four votes. The place where you go to sell your soul to the devil. That's why people ask me if I would ever do it. I would never, I would never do it.

What, run? F, be in politics, yeah. Like, run. I think governors have a shot at change. I think everyone else just, like, if you were a governor, you could make a change. Like, you can make a difference. I don't think federally you can.

No. But. I don't know. Yeah, I think the merging in the military is one of the scariest things that could happen to us. Well, Lee, I appreciate you coming. Yeah, no, this was great. Great conversation. What's next for you?

I don't know. I don't know. I just don't want to figure it out. Just keep doing what I'm doing. All right. Thank you. No. No matter where you're watching the Sean Ryan show from,

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