Sherlock & Co. - The Mazarin Stone - Part Two

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

THE SOURCE OF THE UNIVERSE - why exactly I bother attempting to tamper down the relentless curiosity of my companion is beyond me. When Sherlock gets a whiff of what he wants, there's generally no stopping him. Not even a close friend's wedding. This appetite for solving problems took us to the collection room of the best man himself; Greg Cantlemere. Part 2 of 3 This episode contains swearing, simulated violenceListener discretion is advised. For merchandise and transcripts go to: www.sherlockandco.co.uk For ad-free, early access to adventures in full go to www.patreon.com/sherlockandco To get in touch via email: [e-mail] Follow me @DocJWatsonMD on twitter and BlueSky, or sherlockandcopod on TikTok, instagram and YouTube.  This podcast is property of Goalhanger Podcasts. Copyright 2025.SHERLOCK AND CO. Based on the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle Paul Waggott as Dr. John Watson Harry Attwell as Sherlock Holmes Marta da Silva as Mariana Ametxazurra George Greenland as Greg Cantlemere Adam Jarrell as Stamford Additional Voices:Thomas Mitchells Written by Joel EmeryDirected by Adam Jarrell Editing and Sound Design by Holy Smokes Audio Produced by Neil Fearn and Jon Gill Executive Producer Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For just six pounds a month, binge ad-free adventures in full and have access to so much more over at patreon.com forward slash Sherlock and Co. Previously on Sherlock and Co. On behalf of the best man, where are you, can'ty-cants? Here. There he is. It's time to toast our stag. He ducked out of the paintball punishment. But he can't duck out of this.

I know he's an old stag, a geriatric stag, but he can still down a pint. Let's have you, Stamo! To Stamo! Come on, don't it, don't see. Thanks for, you know, filling in the gap where Greg can't, you know. Who can't? He's great. Yeah, no, no, no.

Greg Cancelmere is a really, really nice guy, yeah? And I'm lucky to have him as my brother-in-law, but soon to be. Yeah, don't get too excited. Nardia might get enlightened at that spa and ditch you. But he struggles in settings like this. Oh, his best man is nice. Oh, yeah, Greg Cantalmere. How'd you meet him? We had coffee this morning.

Oh, where'd you go to the cafe across the road? No, we were sat right there, dude. You slept through the whole thing. Oh. Well, I really was out of it. What is this? Hmm? A note.

Oh, I don't know. What does it say? The Maserine Stone. Come and do the intro then. Hello? Sherlock P. Holmes, that the P stands for podcast. Because podcast is your middle name, and you said you'd do the intro.

for part two. I for God's sake. Yeah, I'm landing the goddamn. Yeah, I'm landing the goddamn exile craft. That's why. Have you thought about reducing your... Yeah, sure, and have you thought about shutting up? I will analyze my vocal output, Mr. Zamborne.

Okay, I'm gonna lay this baby down nice and smooth right here. Oh God, where are we? Porter, where are we? Forgive me, Master Zamborne. My vocal hiatus was time at 45 thirds seconds, as most humans would find that an acceptable time. Where the hell are we, man? We have cast into the meta planetary field.

Meta 1 and 2 are gas. Mehta 3 has over 100 moons. And I only see one. Order! We are on the planet of Meta4. Oky-dokey! Welcome to Meta-Fort! Coming in hot, baby!

Oh! Master, Sunboard! I got it! Border, shut up! Master Sunboard! I can't tell you! Do you detect that I got it? Because I got it, bro!

No, master! I detect a cliff edge! Whoa! We are... We are... off a cliff edge. Okay, so don't move. Affirmative. What, uh, what planet did you say this once again? Metaphor, master. Well, uh, this cliffhanger, it doesn't feel like a metaphor to me. One more time,

Don't go chasing waterfall. Christed to the rivers and the lakes that are used to. Ah, fah! God's sake. Yeah, very funny. I know you didn't put the Sherlock statue in here by yourself, Sherlock. Hi, Mariana. hilarious everyone see

my wax work can be fun not really that fun for me how are you feeling tender but otherwise fine why are we looking all bemused and quizzical

I didn't say something stupid last night did I and now you're discussing it and you're staging some kind of intervention oh relax just make sure that Spider-Man towel stays in place please

did you get Greg Cantlemere's number Watson Uh, yes I did He's in the Stagg WhatsApp group He doesn't go out on the source much So I helped him pick places Why? You know you're going to see him at the wedding on Saturday

Well, I'm just rather curious about his letter You stop waving that piece of paper around Like your Neville Chamberlain I get it, right? It's intriguing The Mazarin Stone I can't quite understand the relevance Why would you leave a detective agency Such a note?

Hmm? You're actually serious I think we should look into this Right, hold on, hold on, of course you'd say that. And what is that supposed to mean? Well, we all know. Even Archie knows. Look at that expression on his face. I have done a little research, and I think we should give Canst a brief call and see if he can enlighten us further. Sherlock.

He clearly wants our attention. Stamo's wedding is two days away. I'm editing like a maniac just so I can have the weekend free. Mariana, you've got meetings all day tomorrow. Ah, yeah, that's true. Again, just so we can make the wedding. So why put something on our plate right now? Especially, you know.

What? You know. I know. Do I? You know everything, so I know you know when I say you know, no? You are discrediting the motivations of Greg Cantlmere. Can I get out of my towel first, please? What's your beef with a guy?

I don't have beef with anybody. He's... Look, he's great. Yeah, but he was drunk. He's going through a hard time. Stamo made him best man because Nardi... is really worried about him, and we all agreed it would, you know, it would lift him up a bit, build him up. Well, that's great. That's sweet of you guys. But this is him reaching out.

Yeah, but, Mary, can we just... Can we consider this after the wedding? Please. And can we consider the rest of this conversation once I am wearing more than just a Spider-Man towel? Fine. Fine. Thank you. Oh, he's right. Yes. frequent occurrence, but an extremely frustrating one nonetheless.

See? Told you. Ejector seat. Ingenious, Master Sumborn. Who. Wren. A genius late stupid. Uh, border?

A Trojan scout. Stand back, Master Sumborn. Don't come any closer, dude. I've got a gold fire blaster, I'll blow you away, man. It shoots gold, master. That is ideal. Drogian skin burns to its touch. Your father, he has the stone.

Where is it? Bring your father here. No. You want me to call him? So he would come see if I was okay. He's got a heart of gold. Hey, that's a metaphor. He has a heart of gold.

Shut your human mouth. But, you know, he doesn't... He doesn't really, right? He doesn't actually have a heart full of gold. You, on the other hand... Uh-oh. Oh, what? Where do you come from?

The asteroid dusts were right. now? Master Derek Sonborn would come. And with him, the stone. The stone? Your pocket. Wait, what? This is my father's. The world is in your hands, Derek Sonborn. Analyzing metaphor. It is no metaphor. What the hell is this? Some kind of rock? That's Derek Sonborn. is the Muzarin Stone. Cut.

Steve. Yes. Mazarin. Mazarin. Oh, fuck. What did I say? Guzarin. Oh, bollocks.

May, sorry. That's... I'm taking the piss today, aren't I? Not at all. Will we set and we'll go again? Ah, yes. Yep, sure. Come on, Steve.

Okay, hell, hell, wait. Mazarin. Mazarin. Mazarin. Mazarin. Okay, we'll go for another one. Yes, okay. Do we really put up with this?

All that time. What? On DVDs. Listen to that. The DVD player? Yeah, listen to that word. Oh, yeah. Wow.

Maybe we did put up with that. How can you, of all people, stand that, shows? It's somewhat more bearable than the on-screen drama. Hey, come on, this is spacey sci-fi royalty. Over 25 years old. Besides, these are outtakes, mate, you know? behind the scenes. The drama doesn't get the chance

to build up before someone cocks up. Oh, God. Oh, I'm knackered. Oh, my God, what the hell is wrong with us? It's... Oh, God, it's nearly midnight. How... How long have we been watching this?

Oh, I can tell you what's wrong with us. No one listens to me. That's what's wrong. I know how you got me. Film night. Get me all excited. Then, boom. Oh, switcheroo.

Yeah, yeah. All this trick in the book, blah, blah, blah. Then you get your film. You buttered. me up, I fell for it, and now we're trying to do some sort of case when we don't have the time for it. Also, Kant's is great, but he is a geeky guy that doesn't get the weight of what we do, and we... Perhaps it's not something from the movie. Oh, God, what?

We're looking to see what the clues are in the movie, and the DVD extras. What if he is alluding to a cast member, perhaps a murderous one? Well, I can tell you, the bloke that plays the robot is dead. The commander father was at January 6th. No. Wait, really? Apparently. Commander Sunborn? Yep. Wild.

And the guy that plays Derek Sunborn is a Buddhist runs a silent retreat in Wales. I knew you weren't watching the movie. You were on your phone. I was supplementing the movie experience with the research and activity on my device. Thank you. Sherlock.

Mm-hmm. Please step away from the light. It shows the signs of a hyperfixation, but I assure you, Watson, I am keeping it at a mild intrigue. I will not drift towards its blazing light. I meant your wax work. The light's been on by his head for ages. He looks a bit droopy in the forehead.

Hmm. Right. Well, I am droopy in the eyes and, well, everywhere else. You get some sleep and stop thinking about this. You're as bad as that big evil bloke trying to steal the Mazarin stone. You okay? Yes. Just researching.

Right. Well, I'm going to go and have a sober, normal night's sleep in my own bed. You are going to... also go to bed, but I am going to take Archie out. Oh, I can take him out if you want. No, it's okay. I'm going down there anyway, right? And you can sleep in my room, right, chubby boy? No, I'm in here tonight. I was talking to Archie? Oh, that's low self-esteem, John. Work on that. Oh, look at him. Oh, you look like one of those horrible aliens, but you're much nicer. Mm-hmm, and more squishable. I was right. Sorry, what? It doesn't relate to the plot of that ridiculous movie

after all. What doesn't? Our friend is a collector. Who, Greg? Indeed. This is his website. Eish, nice guy, but bad web designer. And at the bottom, here.

Collection is property of Lord Cantalmere Trading Limited. God Almighty. If we search that, we get an article here, regarding a failed insurance claim and a warning for the collectors everywhere. What's the warning exactly? The insurance claim from Lord Cantlmere trading was rejected on the grounds of lack of proven value and unauthorised relocation of asset. What asset is this?

The stone from our god-awful film. He has the actual stone from the movie. He had it, yes, until it was stolen six months ago. Oh, mate. He could have just told us. Agreed. Right, let's be normal people for the next few normal. No chasing crime, please. Thank you. Good night, fellow earthlings. Anyone puts that wax figure next to my bed in the middle of the night and I am moving out. Thank you. Bye.

Archie, come on. It's kind of rush out, mate. But you guys are going to get there early, yeah? Yeah, yeah, we'll be there early to help. And you want me to bring, what, beers? Yeah, that'd be good, yeah. We're at the venue now. Your wedding is in 30 hours. Yeah, it's a set up, mate. Plus, you know, staying here with the families beforehand. They all get a chance to meet while it's still, you know, low-key. There's a cancy boy there, my mate Greg. No, it's not, actually. What, why?

I don't know. Arch, come on. I've got a room at this big bloody Surrey house and everything for three nights. It's like 800 quid. What do you think? He's just going to turn up on the day? I don't know, maybe. I bet no idea, please.

Well, I mean, look, I just don't know where he is, mate. To you. Hi, John. I, um, have a vague idea. I'll call you back, Stammo. Watson, you remember Greg Cantlmere? Mm-hmm. He's taking us to see his collectibles.

Care to join? Oh, God. Hello, I'm William Durimple. And I'm Anita Arndon. We're the hosts of another goalhanger show, Empire. And we are here to tell you about a recent series we've done on partition. On the 14th and 15th of August, 1947, Pakistan and India announced their independence from the British Empire. But as these nations gained their freedom, their rushed and

violent division resulted in the deaths of well over a million people and the forced migration of over 14 million more. It's a piece of South Asian history that many people are familiar with, but in this series, we want to explore it alongside four less well-known partitions, which continue to affect the region in monumental ways. Yeah, you're quite right. In one episode, we dissect how Dubai almost became part of modern India. And in another, we're going to unpack the history behind the headlines about the conflict in Kashmir. We also explore how the separation of Burma from India is linked to the origin of the Rohingya genocide

and how East and West Pakistan separated in 1971 to create Bangladesh. So if you'd like to hear more about the five parties, that completely transformed modern Asia and how the weight of the memory of partition has been passed down through the generations. We've left a clip of the series at the end of this episode for you to listen to. This is unbelievable.

Whoa! Whoa! Hey! Life-sized Drogy and Rhogey and! Warlord. Jesus, he's massive. Yeah, can give you a bit of a fright when you forget he's there. Tell me about it. Got a life-sized Sherlock in the flat at the moment and I'm not talking about this one right here. He's seen it. Oh, yeah, of course. Very impressive. Looks just like him. Whoa, you've got Mazur and Stone action figures. Look at this. I'm Territ Sunborn. Evie Laser, loser. I got some uncleys on my tail.

Porter, man, will you shut up? I'm Territ Sunborn. Evie Laser, loser. How come it's out the box? Yeah, yeah, that's just one of a few. It's a third-generation figure that one. Because the gun holster is like... You can see it's kind of purple. Whereas first generation, uh, here. Ah, in the box?

Of course. See, the gunholster is red, so... How much is this, do you think? Derek in the box? I'd say, probably four grand. What? No way? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, what really sells is the stuff from the set,

not the actual merch, so... You've got stuff from... from the set, like from the actual film itself? Yeah, yeah, let me just... You know what this is? Gold Blaster! Yeah! The Gold Blaster!

They had four on the set. Temple Studios have one. Damon Hinchcliff has one. The director? Yeah, one is with the prop designer Jane Marsh, and then one is with me. Huh, that's amazing. And these here?

Yeah, the helmets, armour, all from the movie. They're actually the Drogan breastplate. That's actually completely unique because it was made on the fly. They didn't have multiples. I'm the only one that has that. This is the... So they ran a comic? Holy crap.

Please tell me you haven't read all these. Of course I have. So that's 500 issues of the Mazarin Stone comic. Although it was titled Mazarin Stone Galaxy War. Galaxy War was going to be the title of the next movie. And the plot line was from these comics. Right. Right. How come they didn't make another? Harley Silvia's quit.

Oh, God, yeah. Of course. Of course. To be yoga guru or something. Yeah. Just... He hated the industry and wanted out. So that kind of collapsed the whole project, really. He just lost all his money with American Pope. Sorry, American Pope. Yeah. Do you not... Right, so he basically funded this big kind of college-style comedy called American Pope. Wrote it himself, made himself leading it.

Uh, wait, yeah, look. Meet Mikey. Hey, baby, what's hanging? Oh my God, he just graduated high school. Class of 05, party. And now, he's going to college. I got in? Of Cardinals.

Uh, Mom? Welcome to that thick of 50. Oh, Vatican City, man. This place is awesome. Wait, you can't stay with chicks? Of course not. Um, are you allowed to party?

Well, uh, from Wolf Studios, starring Harley Silvio. Hey, Mary Macdalen is hot. American home. The father, the son, and half rice on spirits. Oh, that's not. Holy Water Oh, I gotta have been rated tea for tea

Good God Yeah That was Quite something It was quite the flop too Oh you don't say Get this It came out on Saturday

The 2nd of April 2005 Right missed April Fool's Day Should have been then judging by that trailer They did that deliberately Moved it from Friday the 1st of April To the Saturday And guess what Pope John Paul the 2nd

No He didn't He did. The Pope dies the day the movie comes out. By the end of the weekend, every major theatre had it pulled out of respect. Oh, Harley Silvius, you poor bastard. Yep. He moved to the UK because I guess we were the only people that cared to have him on our screens. Then he did a kind of bad kids TV show called Oreus and, yeah, lives his life in the Welsh wilderness. broke and teaching yoga.

Eh. Sorry, you didn't come here to hear all this. No, it's fascinating, honestly. You should put all this in your best man's speech. Oh, don't. Yeah, I'm a bit. Nervous? Mate, don't worry.

Honest. Even the best speakers are nervous. It's normal. You have all these items from the film itself. What is actually missing, Greg? The, um... At the actual... Mazarin Stone.

Wait, so, yeah, Sherlock said you had the Mazarin Stone, the real one they used on screen. That's right. So they destroyed them and kept one. And it was auctioned for charity in 2007, I believe. Um, yeah. Yeah, a Hollywood event. And, well, it goes for around $80,000, I think, to a guy called Pete Drucker. Not attached to the movie in any way, just a fan.

Wow, okay. So this is... Oh, this is big stuff, this is. They knew. I mean, they knew from all the big sci-fi shows and movies that this stuff matters. To preserve the value of the rare items. So, yeah, it was with Drucker in Chicago, and he would lease it out to conventions and stuff, but he'd made a ton more money by this point anyway.

And then, just out of the blue, he started the black hole. What's the black hole? It was an ARG. Okay, sorry. What is that? No worries. An ARG is an alternate reality game. It's like it's an interactive, large scale.

I mean, they can be small scale, but this was vast, a narrative kind of game, really. And kind of fiction meets reality, code breaking, clues, puzzles to find and ultimately discover or defeat the end game of it. Yeah, the black hole. How long did that go on? for?

Do you know the story? I don't. Oh, right. Well, it's famous because it lasted years and years. Drucker actually died a couple of years after it started, and everyone thought the game was over, but it kept

going. Um, there were over 4,500 players. Shit! Yeah. Yeah, it was taken really, really seriously. Like, there were fights in the street.

There were total, like, sabotages, some of the players, because it's like, it's like 2019 by this point. So there's content creators and fans, literally uploading their game plan, their code breaks, streaming them on Twitch, and people would just sabotage their route or access to another clue. And these clues, they were, like, they were hidden in real life. Completely, yeah. Cool stuff. So, sorry, I said it would be quick, and it's nowhere near that.

So, during lockdown, I realised that if you, um, look at the stars, not like the movie stars, but the actual stars in the film, from the perspective of, um... You're joking. No, no, I'm not, honest it. If you look at the opening shot of the film, it's the, like, it's just the stars, right? From recollection, yeah, just a shot of space, from what I recall. Right, yeah, but that... So that shot is taken from the Droma Nebula, which is where the Darmantius shoots out from right at the start of the story. Right.

But so, from that view, the star that's glowing blue, a lot of people don't see it in the digital remaster, but in the actual film film version, you can see it. That's actually not a star. That's the Mazarin. The source of the universe. Right. From where the stone is from. On the ARG website, you have that same opening shot as the site background, but the blue dot is in a slightly different location, right?

If you screenshot the opening shot from the website of that spacecape and map it onto a map of the world, our world... Earth. Yeah, well, the actual, the Mazarin, the blue dot, sits over Barrick. Okay, what's Barrick? Barrick is a village in Oman. It's where they shot all the metaphor and rotus and a colaris planet scenes. It's where Darok first seized the Mazarin Stone.

Wow, okay, that's great stuff, mate. So, I noticed that. I've realised that at this point, no one knows this apart from me, that this ARG clue is pointing exactly to the filming. location and when you got big clues you could call this hotline uh hotline yeah mad who'd have thought hotlines were still a thing um yeah you could you could call the hotline and reveal some info and get some more clues i say to the operator this is my guess right barrack blah blah and he says great press two i go okay

Okay, automated message plays for a bit, just, you know, thank you for your call, blah, blah, and yeah, then it asks me to press zero. Later, it's eight, and it just literally 25 minutes, and I finally think I've made it, and it cuts me off. I try again the next day and the next, and it's the same every time. So I write down the numbers it sends me in every time I call. 2087-3647-5615-19-185. 16 digits.

I stare at it and stare at it and realise that's a GPS location. I bang it into maps and there it is. The exact site outside barrack. I packed the bags. I am gone. I flight to I'm on and I get, well, so I got a taxi, but the guy would only take me to barrack itself. And then I'm trying to find this spot.

There's like three or four houses. One guy comes out and says, he can take me. So he takes me and I was boiling hot on his motorbike in the desert sun. And he drops me off and he's gone. And I'm just left there. What was there? Nothing. Just sand.

What? Yep. God, I'm too invested in this, but what then? What, what happened? The same thing that happened in the film. What do you mean? I realise. The GPS has taken me to the exact spot where Darok finds the stone in his pocket.

I'm stood in that precise spot. when impossible nope what what tell me I reach into my pocket no and I pull out

you're kidding me the Mazarin stone what this is unbelievable how how yeah

the key to the universe my man oh my god this is insane I mean well I found out about a year later from his daughter

that the driver, like, what, literally, the only guy of a bike in the village, he was paid by the family to drop this thing. He didn't know what it was. It was, well, basically, the second I called the hotline, he was probably put on alert. And, yeah, pick up any generic westerner you see wandering the desert by himself and, yeah, sneak it into their pocket. What a guy. Hey, I always thought he had an expensive bike

For the village I mean, I see why The Drucker's kept him comfortable, I guess God, I almost don't want to know that part of the story But that is Amazing, mate Truly Amazing

Well, you definitely don't want to know this side of the story The robbery Shit, yeah, of course So with that ARG Drucker became a bit of of a legend as you can imagine and yeah I did too a bit to be honest I kind of I wanted to like following his footsteps a bit and and share it with the fandom as best I could so um well there was a convention in Birmingham and I offered it to them

to lease it out to the con have it out big glass case people can get their pictures with it and all that and all some of the cast were going to be there Harley Silvius. Derek himself, nice. Yeah, brilliant. The Princess of Numaria, Helen Reed, a couple of the drogian... Anyway, yeah, it felt amazing to be part of...

Well, the kind of assembly of the Mazarin Stone phenomenon. I was the guy that had the actual stone. The main character of the Mazarin Stone is the Mazarin Stone. That's what Damon Hinchkev said himself. So, what happened to it? It was in a glass display, where two of the panels kind of converged. On the Sunday, the last day of the con, a classic smash and grab. Fire alarm goes off, big crowd of people all heading out, all filing past it,

some kid in a hoodie smashes the thing, grabs the stone and legs it. Oh man. footage yeah here watched it a million times mate and it took me four months just to get the police to hand it over how many other cameras do we have two so um scroll to this angle and then this one. White male, 5 foot 8, very athletic. The way he deals with that security gate.

Yeah, no, only thing, police said he was 6 foot 1. Pause. Oh, okay. They are elevator shoes, maybe just 3 inches worth, but he's combining it with high-rise trousers, a tapered fit. it. Shorter hooded jacket as well. That helps. As does the posture. Neutral pelvis elongated back, shoulders back. Elevated chin too, a little risky given the act, but the man wants to adjust his height, it would seem, and he has done so, convincingly.

Well, you think this could be an experienced burglar? Taking a different body shape, basically, just to pull this off? Perhaps. The physical presence has been given meticulous thought. Speaking of, um, meticulous thought, Nads is messaging me again. Who is Nads? Are they from the film? Nads. Nadia? As in the woman who is getting married tomorrow? Ah, right. Yes, of course. She's really got this thing planned down to a tea. And I don't, I really don't want to be the T-I-T that cocks it up, if you know what I mean. No, of course, we can put a pin in this, can't we? Until the wedding is all sorted.

Can't we? Nah, na, nah. Nah! It's wedding day, big guy. Check me out. It's like James Bond. Johnny Bond. Shaken, not stir.

Well, actually, neither. Just a beer. Oh, it's going to be a goodin, mate. Going to be a good one. Hey, oh, this, that's my bow tie. What I'm going to do, I think they look stupid when they're done up. So most of the day, and during the ceremony, I'm going to wear the tie, right, normal tie. And then once I'm on the whiskeys, around 11, 11.30.

I'm going to put the bow tie on, but not tie it. Sort of a Sinatra tie. Cruna look, you know, sleazy, but suave sleaze. You know it. Okay, just pop that in your pocket because you're clearly not listening. Right, Archie boy, time to sort this hair situation. Oh, is that the fair maiden of Hispania? Heyo! Ohla, hello, yowsers! Look at you!

Ah, grazias, gracias, grazias. Yes, in effect, I'm the bella doncella of Spain. And who are you wearing? Oh, thank you so much for asking. It's such an honour to be nominated. I am wearing something, something from H&M or TK Max, I can't remember. I wanted the Thata thing, but there was a sale, and it was too busy, and I got overwhelmed and run away. Beautiful, amazing.

And who are you wearing with such sophistication? Thank you so much. This is a suit that I only get out at funerals. Oh. But that does mean I have in each pocket travel tissues. Oh, yay. But I don't remember where it's from. Hey, the master detective yesterday gave a full wardrobe rundown. He could probably tell me.

Hey, mate. What did he do? The Mazarin Stone that got stolen off Kant. Just call him, Greg, please. No, can't see boy. Can't stop me now. Anyway, yeah, Sherlock deduced from what the guy was wearing, that his height was being disguised, and yeah, it was all pretty cool.

Oh, nice one, Sherlock. But now he's being all socially anxious. Why are you being socially anxious? He won't talk, he's just going to keep staring in the mirror. And so you should. That's a great suit. Yeah, great suit, mate. Love it.

Mate. Shut. Okay, please don't tell me that is the waxwork and he's gone missing on the day of the wedding. Please don't tell me that. That, um, is the wax work and he's gone missing on the day of the wedding. Shit. To binge this adventure in full and without ads, go to patreon.com forward slash Sherlock and co. Hi, it's William Drimple here, again, from Empire, another Goldhanger podcast.

Here's the clip from our recent series, on the five partitions that created modern Asia. And it was deeply emotional. Sparsh picked up some pebbles from the village, which he made into jewelry, family heirlooms, for his family going down the generations. Because he was always saying, you know, my family doesn't have archives, et cetera.

We lost everything in partition. And there's nothing that we have from Baylor to show where we came from. But so he wanted to pick up something from Baylor and make it into airlines for the next generations. You know, three, four generations from now, they'll still have a piece of Beela with them, even if, you know, the relationship between India and Pakistan worsens again. And, you know, even if his kids can never visit Beela, they'll always

have a piece of Beela with them. This connection with Earth, Dherty, you know, they call it Dherty in India, and Zamin is the Udu word, exactly the same thing. But it is much more than just the earth. It is who you are, where you have grown from, where your forebears have grown from. And the number of people I know who have been lucky enough to travel across the border, and I count myself as one, who find it impossible to leave without a scoop of earth, and I have one too. You know, in Lahore picked up a handful of earth and brought it back with me, because I thought, you know, this is the stuff my grandfather used to walk on. To hear the full series, just search empire wherever you get your podcasts.