She's On The Money - A (very) Cost Effective Christmas!

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Did you know that Australians will spend a whopping $66.8 billion in the lead up to Christmas this year alone? On today's show we want to help you celebrate the season without breaking the bank! Join Victoria and Bec as they share some stats, tips and tricks for cheap, inexpensive, and sometimes free gift ideas to help you avoid going into debt this Christmas! Acknowledgement of Country By Natarsha Bamblett aka Queen Acknowledgements.The advice shared on She's On The Money is general in nature and does not consider your individual circumstances. She's On The Money exists purely for educational purposes and should not be relied upon to make an investment or financial decision. If you do choose to buy a financial product, read the PDS, TMD and obtain appropriate financial advice tailored towards your needs.  Victoria Devine and She's On The Money are authorised representatives of Money Sherpa PTY LTD ABN - 321649 27708,  AFSL - 451289.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello, my name is Natasha Nabanunga-Bamblett. I'm a proud Yorta Yorta, Kernai, Wolperi and Awadjeri woman. And before we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of which this podcast is recorded on Awadjeri country, acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through. As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and the storytelling of you to make a difference for today and lasting impact for tomorrow. Let's get into it. She's on the money. She's on the money.

Hello and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast for people who don't want to go broke over the Christmas period. That's me! I'm Bec Syed, and as always, I'm joined by Victoria Devine. Hi, V. Hello, we get to talk about Christmas. I love Christmas. I'm so excited about this episode. Me too. What's your favourite thing about Christmas? I think it's just like the vibe, like the atmosphere, like the lights, the carols, the eggnog, the smells of spices, you know, that kind of thing. I am obsessed with Christmas. Not as much as Miss Jessica Ricci. If you guys are following her on Instagram, you know, she's borderline psychotic on Christmas. Like we're talking start of November and she's like, well, that's when

the Christmas tree comes out. Yeah. I think that's okay. Well, I did have a, what's called a heated argument with my husband the other day because I saw Jess putting up her tree and I was like, that looks like fun. And all of my social media content has now started to become very Christmassy because Halloween's over, right? Of course. And I said to my husband, we should put our tree up because we've got a new one that we got last year that we couldn't put up. So it sat in the box for like more than 12 months. I said, we can put it up. And he's like, no, absolutely we can't. I was like, excuse me, are you the Grinch? Are you trying to ruin Christmas and it's not even December? And he's like, that's the point. It's not even December. He's like,

I will help you. I will decorate the whole house on the 1st of December. And I was like, but honey, it's the 1st of November. Like we could just do it now. Yeah. And it doesn't give you much time to have any Christmas joy. 25 days and it's over. Exactly. I need two months of joy. I don't like it. You can extend that joy. You really can. Red flag. Anyway, let's get into the episode, not a counseling session on my marriage. I want to talk about Christmas, but also I want to talk about the concept of not going into debt around Christmas because as much as we are full of festive cheer,

I think that it can also ring a lot of bells in a lot of people's heads of going, ah, that sounds stressful. That sounds expensive. That does not sound like anything I want to do. How did it come up so quickly again this year? Yes, it can be very anxiety inducing when it's just meant to be joyful. But later on in the show, we are going to talk about some cheap, inexpensive and sometimes free gift ideas that are really thoughtful. Yeah, I'm the gift. Yeah. Like you gift your partner yourself. You're like, your present is my present. I'm going to be present with you today and this is my gift. You are welcome.

And that is free. You've got to be grateful because it's a gift. First, V, I wanted to know how expensive this time of year truly is. Truly, Spenno. Are you ready? I'm kind of nervous, but I'm ready. I've collected the stats. Thankfully, these stats won't apply to you personally, but like as a collective.

So it's obviously no surprise that this time of year is arguably the most expensive time of year for everybody. The Australian Retailers Association and Roy Morgan, who do a whole heap of research, predict that get this 66.8 billion dollars will be spent in the lead up to christmas from november to the 24th of december whoa billion is that just in australia oh yep that's the australian no yeah we just really spent happy during this period of time okay so is that just christmas gifts or like what is that no no no it's lots it's like the whole festive period right so like it's everything in that holiday break. So like, let's say it's presents, it's food for Christmas day. It's all

the other Christmas celebrations. And it's also travel. I'm very lucky that my family are like, oh, don't travel. That's fine. But some of my friends are like, all right, so we've got, you know, breakfast in Geelong. We've got lunch on the morning to Peninsula. And then we have to drive to the Yarra Valley for dinner. And I'm just like, that does not sound like a relaxing Christmas. I'm sure you're super happy to see all of the people that you love, but like, oh my gosh, Think of the petrol costs, Bec. Yeah, seriously, are they adding that to the $66 billion? Wild, isn't it?

So let's break it down even further. The average Australian is going to spend $1,479 this Christmas period. So imagine your usual monthly expenses now add basically $1,500 on top of that. It's absolutely no wonder that people go into crippling debt during this period of time. Yeah, that's very stressful. That is a lot of money to be spending for one day, really. One day, like I totally get it's like a month of festive cheer, but it's all of those little things that creep up because, you know,

if you and I sit down, Bec, I'd be like, how much are you spending, Bec? You'd be like, oh, V, not that much, I don't reckon. I reckon you'd list off a few gifts that you want to buy, like off the top of your head, but what you're not factoring in is the additional drinks for Christmas, the additional festive activities that you're going to do, you know, the travel to get to and from places, those things where you're like, I don't know if you've done this before, but I definitely have done this before. You get invited to someone's house for

like, oh, come over for some Chrissy drinks. And you're like, oh, I'd love to do that. And then you like freak out on the way there. You're like, oh my God, I'm turning up empty handed. So you like pop past the bottle shop, pick up a bottle of wine, maybe a box of favorites. And why are favorites so expensive nowadays? Well, that's the question that plagues me daily. It does me too, because they took all the good chocolates out and now they charge more? No, we see what you're doing. I see what you're doing. I see you.

I don't respect it. Don't like it. But V, what is an average Australian? Like am I going to be spending this much or is it like, you know, someone with kids or what does the average Australian look like? That's actually a really good question to contextualise it. So when we talk about an average, obviously I'll break it down further, but essentially an average is when you take every single person spending

in the country over the Christmas period, and then you divide it by the number of people in that cohort. So in that cohort, you could have people who literally spend nothing because they might not celebrate Christmas due to religion or personal beliefs, all the way up to millionaire families who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on Christmas, right? So we need to contextualize the fact that that doesn't mean that you personally might spend $1,500, but I feel like that's actually a really normal number at Christmas time. Because once everything adds up, like I already know that in my head, I've worked it out. My parents live about an hour and 10, an hour and 15 away from me. The petrol back and forth, because I know that I can't be there every

day. And, you know, I've got some work during that period of time. I'm going to spend so much more on petrol. Like I reckon we're going to budget an extra $400 over the month of December, just like traveling to and from different places. And like my family's based in a radius of like an hour drive sure that's a lot of money yes that's just petrol especially now for some reason the petrol prices aren't going down but that's a conversation for another time exactly so it might not cost you that but if we look deeper into those statistics right and we get different cohorts of people and go all right well beck how much does a millennial spend that's me i'm pretty sure you're gen z i'll go summer all the young ones are gen z these days i'm millennial too no

you're not yeah aren't you like 12 i wish i was all right well us millennials it's more expensive you're gonna wish you were a gen z sit down okay we are predicted to spend the most this christmas we are spending on average 1924 dollars whoa that's two grand that's a trip to bali babe what the heck yeah you could do so much with that gen z's they're a lot more frugal okay they're gonna to spend about $1,023 this festive season. Well, I guess it makes sense because, you know, you don't have as many responsibilities. Maybe you're smarter with your money. Maybe you're smarter with your money. Maybe you're just a lot smarter than we are. That's probably what it is. But as a millennial, it doesn't really look great for either of us.

But I wonder, is this more because of the cost of living crisis or is it because of other reasons? Like how much we're spending? Yeah. Like, are we spending more because of that? Yeah, honestly, the overall spend is marginally higher than it was last year, but there are a few interesting changes to the stats, right? Yeah. So it's predicted that the spend in hospitality, household goods and clothing is actually going to drop in comparison to last year. It kind of makes sense because if you've had a bit of a hard year, Bec, you're going to go, well, let's not go out to that fancy restaurant. How about you just come over and I'll make a pasta? Or, you know, you're going to spend less on the gifts that you're giving, which is usually household goods, let's be honest,

and clothing and shoes and stuff like that. But there is going to be a huge rise in the spend of food and at department stores. So you could interpret that honestly however you like, but it seems like we're skimping out on things for ourselves in order to put food on the Christmas table this year and buy gifts for others, which I think is kind of wholesome. It's kind of sad that it's related to the cost of living,

but, like, let's just reframe it. We're just more generous and kind this year. Sure, that's a very wholesome way to look at it. But those are interesting stats and especially about the food. I mean, we're going to cut back on going out for drinks. We're going to cut back on going out for dinner. But at the end of the day, you might invite a few more people round to Chrissy dinner and, you know, host at home. So the supermarkets are going to rake it in.

I mean, we've got a lot to say on the price gouging that they're doing at the moment with their billion dollar profits. But that's a conversation for another day. Don't get us started. Don't get us started. But I know that our weekly shops are costing more now. It's nice to think that maybe more people will opt to have some of their Christmas celebrations at home rather than at a restaurant or a pub. But I guess that's why the food cost is up this year. It also kind of sounds like a lot of spending is due to, like, decking the halls and, like, getting your house nice and pretty for Christmas.

I mean, you know, when you were little and your mum would be like, Bec, we have food at home. Yeah. Bec, you have Christmas decorations from last year. Use them. I don't want to use them. I know. I want new ones. Have you seen the Kmart range?

Like, are you joking? they've done rainbow oh I'm gonna do an entirely rainbow Christmas tree on a budget because obviously it's Kmart and the boxes are like $12 honestly it's just a no-brainer to spend 12 bucks on a whole heap of colored baubles I'll only use one time during the year exactly and then next year we'll need a different theme but what you're saying is absolutely true there is I guess a lot less to spend on decking the halls in fact the most alarming part of all of this is that 24% of people, and that is almost one in four people, will be relying on credit cards to cover costs this Christmas season. So that's 4.8 million people here in Australia who will be pushed

into debt over this festive season. And as much as colourful Christmas balls from Kmart are very exciting to talk about, I feel like we need to get into the nitty gritty of debt and talking about how bad that can be because $12 here and there, it adds up. And as I've said before, a million times on this podcast, no one goes and gets a credit card back with the intention of going into crippling debt. No one wants to feel stressed over the Christmas period. Lots of people will be like, oh, just chuck it on credit. It'll be fine. And then they can't sleep during that period of time. Like to me, it is not fair. And I think that we really should be contextualizing what this means and having better, more open, honest conversations with our friends and family about

what this means. And obviously there are a heap of ways to cut down costs. Yes, absolutely. We are here to help. So basically after the break, I think we'll go through and talk about gifts that are not super expensive. Maybe you can make them at home, maybe free gifts. I love free stuff. We're going to talk about all that kind of stuff. We'll go to a quick break and get our lists ready. Let's have a think. Yeah, because I'm not feeling that festive after reading all of those stats. No, I'm not feeling festive at all at the moment, but we will. We will because we're going to have some sick gift ideas that are going to save you a whole heap of money.

So don't go anywhere, guys. Hi, V, we are back. I'm ready. Are you ready? I'm feeling more festive. I'm feeling a little bit more festive too, actually. We're going to help you save some cash. You go first, actually.

I want you to talk about what- Oh, don't throw me straight under the bus. Maybe I need time to think. All right, all right, all right. I have a list and I've been checking it twice. That's very good. But you do not have to spend a lot of money on gifts to show people how much you care about them.

And obviously throughout the year, I've been dropping hints on the pod, but we have been creating a list of actually good, actually thoughtful DIY gifts, because I'm not going to lie, your kid coming home with a snowflake made out of a paper plate, while cute, kind of don't want it. not a good Christmas present. Sure, sure, sure. Not practical. But when you're four, that's a good present, I suppose. And I mean, I'm yet to have this baby back. So maybe I just don't understand why my mum still puts a paper plate with a glued on toilet roll that looks kind of like an angel on the Christmas tree every year that I made, what, like 30 years

ago. Maybe that is a good gift. That is so cute. Maybe we should be using paper plates and toilet rolls to create all of our Christmas presents this year. Yeah, come to think of it, if you gave me a angel paper plate with a toilet roll stuck to it for no reason whatsoever, I think I would like that. I don't think you would. I think you'd be like, thanks. Great, now I have to hold this thing. What do I do with it? Do I throw it out? It's like getting cards. You meant to throw out Christmas cards or birthday cards? Yeah, that's something I still wonder. I keep them just in case. What if you ask me and you're like, V, do you still have that Christmas card? It was really thoughtful. And I go, no, I just chucked it in the fire. Yeah, that's what I'm worried about.

What do you say? Anyway, here are some actually thoughtful presents. All right. So first lay off the rank. Do you like that? Homemade wheat packs. Oh, very good. So you say very good, but you probably don't know what I'm really talking about. Is it because I've talked about it before? Yes, that too. And someone did make me one of these ones. So I don't know where it is. So I love this because you can just have basic stitching skills for this. You could YouTube it. it's fun you might want to upskill this festive season oh if you have a sewing machine honestly cut your time in half but also you can definitely hand stitch it a sewing kit from like kmart is honestly with thread with needles but the tiny scissors is like five bucks from kmart sick and

one of my favorite uses of fabrics is cheap tea towels because obviously i'm not going to go to spotlight and buy like rolls and rolls of fabric which i think ends up being quite expensive but also quite wasteful one tea towel equals one wheat pack yeah it's already like stitched around the edge right so that's not gonna fray yeah money win if you get them from kmart i'm pretty sure like a five pack of tea towels is like five bucks as well you could be fancy and get like branded ones like imagine getting like a winnie the pooh tea towel one anyway interesting that your mind went straight to Winnie the Pooh as a brand. I was thinking Gucci. Oh, Gucci teat house? You're like branded and then you're like Winnie the Pooh. I love Winnie the Pooh. Do you know

what? I'm thinking a lot about Winnie the Pooh at the moment because I'm pregnant. Of course. And all of my tops now when I put them on make me look like I'm Winnie the Pooh. That is possibly the cutest thing. That's not cute. It's not cute. I literally look like Winnie the Pooh when I put my t-shirts on in the morning nowadays and my husband literally calls me Pooh. I'm like, yeah, could I borrow one of your T-shirts? Thanks. We're going for coffee. I didn't need to be attacked like this.

Also, he could call you Winnie, but he's going straight for poo. He's going straight for poo. What a nice guy. Fantastic dad material. Anyway, but what you're going to do is obviously stitch around the edge. I'll do a tutorial online for this because it is actually really, really easy. But what you're going to fill it with is wheat. Where do you buy wheat, Bec?

The pet shop. you can get a 10 kilo bag of wheat for $10. Oh, that's cheap. And that's going to make like at least 10 different wheat packs. Yes. If you're really fancy, you'll go on a walk around your neighborhood and you'll like be spying the whole time. Anybody got any lavender I could dry out, put in there?

Good idea. I'm not paying for lavender. You could chuck some essential oils on there. You could put anything you want in there, right? Amazing. So obviously Christmas in Australia is currently during summer, so they're not going to use it immediately. but a wheat pack doesn't go astray in my house. Got a sore back? Wheat pack. Cold at my desk?

Wheat pack. You're cold at my house? Do you want a wheat pack? I have a heap I made last Christmas. Honestly, those are timeless gifts. You'll never not need a wheat pack. I agree. Also, Kmart has stepped up the game this year. They have a whole heap of DIY craft things, right? Clay. Using air dry clay, you could hand make some earrings or candle holders. You could make like a little game of like tic-tac-toe. Cute. Jewelry holders. Literally so much. But clay costs between $5 and $15 from like Kmart, Bunnings, Officeworks, Amazon, if you're smart and planned. But honestly, these are all just like Kmart things. This isn't sponsored by Kmart, by the way. I'm just obsessed. And also probably should have been smarter with my marketing and PR.

I should have reached out to Kmart to be like, I'm going to do a Christmas episode and we should work together. True. But I didn't, did I? So this is for free, K-Mart. I'm doing you a solid. The next, this has been popular in our community every year. So I have been sharing this recipe for the last four Christmases with you guys. And every year someone messages me and goes, hey V, I saw you posted this last year and I just thought it was a bit lame. Didn't do it, did it this year. It's incredible. And that is my recipe for Christmas crack. oh you have not yet had it because you have not been on the show for more than a year but like at christmas time i make so many trays of this stuff and i give it as gifts and people are always

like v what was in that it was incredible what is it so you can package it up really cute really homemade you're not going to believe me how good this is go just look up christmas crack in my facebook group because then everybody will like convince you of it but it's essentially get this saladas as the base biscuit. We then make a caramel sauce, which is super easy. It's basically brown sugar and butter. And then you top it with chocolate and then you could dress it however you want. Sometimes I put just some sea salt on the top, or we might put some like sprinkles or something. Like you could literally do whatever you want. Given it's Christmas time, I know the supermarket has those like festive sprinkles for cupcakes. You could put that on there. Extra

festive right doesn't sound that appetizing when I explain it but once it's all dry it cracks and it's like this crunchy sweet salty gooey like incredible biscuit and you crack it up it has to be rustic like you don't actually want it to be in the salada squares you want it to kind of be like triangles and like really rugged pieces of this Christmas crack which means you don't even have to do a good job of cooking it, like it can look rustic is what we'll call it. I love that. I promise I'm going to bring you some next week

and you're going to lose your mind. I'm so excited. This actually does sound pretty good. But it's so cheap and you make so much of it and people are like, wow, you made this? Thank you. And you just go, yeah, I made it because I thought you would really love it.

Like you could obviously drop in that She's On The Money is the best podcast ever and that's where you got the idea. If it comes up organically. Merry Christmas, She's On The Money, his new listener. And that's all we could really ask for this festive season, Bec. That's all we want. But Christmas crack is honestly one of my favourite gifts to give. The next is maybe a little less rustic and requires a little bit more skill.

Sure. But I got one last year and I was super impressed. And that was a macrame plant holder. Yeah. So one of my girlfriends made it. Super cheap to make. You can buy rope from Bunnings for like 10 bucks. But you can gift it with like a propagated cutting.

Ah, clever. Smart. So free plant, money win. And then you can also give them like the macrame like holder. There's lots of tutorials on TikTok and on YouTube. So like you don't just have to make it up yourself. Probably unpopular opinion. Don't buy the kits online.

They're like $70 or $80. Cancel that. Sure. Just find a template online. Free macrame plant holder template. And it will literally just come up and show you how to make a whole heap of different ones. Okay. Money win.

There's usually a YouTube tutorial that goes with it that shows you exactly how. Yeah, very cute. The next is a printed photo book album. Oh. So I can't think of anything more thoughtful than a friend going through their photo album and finding a whole heap of cute photos of us together, printing them out. You could print them at Kmart. If you've got a bit more time, you can print them out and be fancy and send them through

to Vistaprint, which is even cheaper. But like, is that not the cutest idea ever? Yeah, that's very cute. A memory book of all of your friend's memories. I love that. It feels so much more special when it's printed out. Yeah, and if you've got like graphic design skills, which I do not possess, you do, you could use like Canva

or something to design the book and get it printed. And to be honest, if you're getting a book printed online, it's honestly like $10. You know who's going to love that? Mums. Mums. Mummy will love that. Mum's going to love it.

You know what you should do next time you go to your mum's place? You should raid all of the family photos, scan them in and put them in a book. Whoa. She's basically done the work for you. Yeah, true. Is that not genius? That's genius, V. That's genius.

I've got a few, if you're ready. Oh, you've now thought of a number to share? Yes. I think that was an appropriate amount of time to think of a few things. Are you just going to say the things I said? I'm going to go through and say homemade wheat pack. I'm just kidding. So have you heard of Christmas crack?

I like to be a little bit savvy. And so I'm thinking of all the ways I've kind of gotten away with not spending much over Christmas and birthdays. But most recently, one of my very good friends, we do like to make things for each other. So either it's like a picture of a magnet of me and her, like a me and her in a magnet. Oh, magnets are cute. It's kind of cute. It's like silly. It's cute, whatever.

It's not silly. That's actually a good present. That's kind of cute. Put that on the list, Christmas magnets. Convenient. You chuck it on your electricity bill or whatever. But that's not the one I was talking about. Yeah, so every time you think of your bill, you think of your friend.

Is that where we're going with this? And then you create this association. And so that friend now gives you anxiety. That is so chic. I love it. So that's. You're really selling it to me. Yes, and then you don't talk to that friend anymore.

Saves you money because you don't find them present. No, but what I did was I made an activity wheel for her. So I went to Officeworks and got different coloured cardboards, those little like pushpin things, and wrote down all the little things we like to do together. And so if we're just at home doing nothing and we feel like we want to get out of the house. Or you're in a relationship with this friend. Basically, we're in a relationship.

You can do that for relationships as well, like a date wheel, pop date ideas on pop sticks and put them in like a little. Oh, that's cute. A friend gave me that idea. I don't want to take credit. But take the credit. I might take the credit. Just you and me on this show, baby.

That's true. She's not in here with me. And then the other thing was me and my family would kind of do this thing where we'll just buy each other novelty gifts, nothing over like $5. And I know like I don't want to add to any like junk after Christmas. Yeah, consumption and stuff. So it's always like just one or two little things that they will use forever. always novelty gifts, things that you'll want to put on your desk, in the office that you'll

just fiddle with, like little things like that. Nothing over $5 is what we do. And then Secret Santa, everyone buys one gift and that's it. And everyone is gifted a gift. Does that make sense? Yeah. No, no, no. I like that. So you don't have to buy for everyone. And it can kind of be a game as well. It's a game. It's silly. It's fun. It's really exciting. You just have to put out like maybe whatever the budget is. Let's say $20. You could set the budget at anything.

anything let's say twenty dollars you just buy the one gift everyone's taking care of i think that's probably the way i do it with most people in my life because i don't want to be secret santa is fantastic whenever we have done like secret santa at work or like in our friendship group they'll set a limit right they'll be like fifteen dollars and you go yeah great i can afford fifteen dollars like and so can everybody else like in that circle because otherwise you wouldn't have asked them but then you start looking for presents and everything's so much more expensive and i just have this idea in my head. I'm like, if it was just $30, this would be so much easier for me mentally. That's a terrible way of thinking, but I think that a lot of people resonate with that.

The other thing I was going to butt in there and contribute, if you haven't listened to our festive episodes before, you might not have heard how my family does Christmas by my family. I mean, Steve's side of the family. I'm trying to implement it in the rest of the family. It hasn't gone so well just yet, but we'll get there. But Steve's side of the family, it's literally my favorite thing ever. Christmas time, if you're gifting people, it has to be handmade, homemade or secondhand. So we are not allowed to go to the shops and buy something new. You have to hand make it yourself. It has to be homemade. It could be homemade by someone else. Like you could buy something from a small business and like gift that and that's okay.

One year I got this really beautiful like raffia bag that was like handmade and I was just like, this is a sleigh gift or it can be secondhand. And so like you guys have probably all heard it if you've listened to our Christmas episodes before. But a couple of years ago, I was buying for my niece and nephew. I was so excited. I was like, what are we going to get them? I knew they were getting a cubby for Christmas that year. And so I thought, what if we just go on like Facebook Marketplace or Gumtree or whatever and find like one of those play kitchens? And so for, I think it was like 50 bucks, right? So still like not the cheapest ever, but $50 for a joint present, I thought was pretty good. I went over to, I think it was like Fitzroy or

something, some dude's bougie penthouse apartment. And I bought this play kitchen and it was really well looked after, but he threw in all of the accessories. So the cups, the plates, the bowls, the little plastic fruits, all of the stuff that would have really added up and cost a heap of money to buy. 50 bucks, money win. That would have been at least three years ago, Bec. They still use it. It is still in their little cubby house. And now whenever I go up to the window of the cubby house, my niece looks out and goes, oat latte? And I go, yes, please. And a plastic banana. That is so cute. Yum, plastic banana. Anyway, secondhand could be a really good way of doing Christmas this year because you could get a present that you otherwise wouldn't have been

able to afford to purchase. Yeah. I love that. Like, cause that would have honestly, after you added all that would have been a couple of hundred dollars at least just for the kitchen. And then all of the additional accessories, like it was only just like Ikea stuff. Like it wasn't, you know, fancy, fancy pottery barn stuff, but the little pots, the little, you know, plates, all of the stuff so they could play house. What a good gift. That's a great gift. And the kids don't know any different. It's going out in the cubby. I love that. It was all clean. I chucked all of the plastic wear through the dishwasher before I gave it to them. And I gave the kitchen a good scrub out because obviously that just feels like the right thing to do. But it's there. I love that.

And reduce, reuse, recycle, they say. I love it. I love this idea, V. I think it's great. And I don't think anyone would genuinely be offended if you bought them something secondhand. It's 2023. I think people will be like, oh my God, thank you for thinking of me. Yeah, thank you for thinking of me and the planet. It's actually so much nicer that you put so much time, energy and effort into sourcing this instead of just marching into your Kmart, purchasing it off the shelf and calling it a day. Absolutely. I don't know, I like it better.

Yeah, I love that. That's such a good point, Bea. It does feel more thoughtful than quickly going to the shops and dropping like 50 bucks on another one. Exactly. But Bea, thank you so much for helping us save this Christmas. I did want to go rogue there and say that Christmas time, that's not always spent with family and friends.

You might be someone that doesn't have that. We're thinking of you in this time. We're your family and friends. We're your family and friends. So stay safe out there. We love you. We love you. Bye, guys.

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