She's On The Money - Setting Workplace Boundaries

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

Did you know that the average Australian is missing out on $11,055 a year, or $425 per fortnight due to unpaid overtime? So today it is high time we talk about managing workplace boundaries! What are you comfortable with? How can you define your boundaries without feeling like you’re letting your employer down? How to manage all of those little things that make you feel as though you need to always say yes to your boss? Tune in to find out! Acknowledgement of Country By Natarsha Bamblett aka Queen Acknowledgements. The advice shared on She's On The Money is general in nature and does not consider your individual circumstances. She's On The Money exists purely for educational purposes and should not be relied upon to make an investment or financial decision. If you do choose to buy a financial product, read the PDS, TMD and obtain appropriate financial advice tailored towards your needs.  Victoria Devine and She's On The Money are authorised representatives of Money Sherpa PTY LTD ABN - 321649 27708,  AFSL - 451289.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello, my name is Natasha Nabanunga-Bamblett. I'm a proud Yorta Yorta, Kernai, Wolperi and Awadjeri woman. And before we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of which this podcast is recorded on Awadjeri country, acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through. As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and the storytelling of you to make a difference for today and lasting impact for tomorrow. Let's get into it. She's on the money.

She's on the money. Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast for people who want financial freedom. My name is Bec Syed, and with me, as always, is Victoria Devine. What a surprise seeing you here on a Wednesday. That's crazy. I didn't see this coming. How are you? This has never happened before. No, novel idea. Oh, absolutely. So, V, I don't know if you know what the topic of this episode is today, but we are talking about how you can set up workplace boundaries. So, I guess, like, first things first, how important is setting boundaries with your employers?

So yes, I did know what the topic of today was because I set the topic of today. I have had too many conversations with friends recently who have had their boundaries like exploited and I get so frustrated at the idea that, you know, people don't respect their team, especially as someone who runs multiple teams. I just go, hold on, like, what are you doing? So I thought the best way to channel my anger was into a podcast. More passion is going to be in this than I think usual. And I think it is so important that we talk about it, whether you're experiencing it or not, just so that we can advocate for ourselves, but also advocate for our friends and our family and give them good advice and tips when they need it. Obviously not unsolicited advice and tips,

because if you've been following me on Instagram, I don't really like those. We're going to be talking about the typical nine to five, five day a week kind of vibe, but obviously different work environments have very different requirements, but we are talking about your personal boundaries. We're going to be asking the question, what are you comfortable with? How can you define them without feeling like you're letting your employer down? And all of those little things that make you feel as though you really need to say yes to your boss when you don't actually have to, because you don't actually need to do two hours of unpaid labor after work just because they ask nicely. Like you really don't. I think a lot of people are going to need

this episode today. I feel like it is going to be really useful. But why is it good to talk about this? It's obviously good to talk about it because we don't want to be taken advantage of. But Bec, your job takes up maybe like 80% of your week, right? If you're working five days a week, which we know quite a few people do a four day week now, which is very nice for them. And it's great if it works. But it's really important that you're not burning yourself out and letting more important aspects of your life go down the drain in order for you to appease your workplace, who technically should only be getting you for that 38 hours, but somehow they're getting 60. Wild. So yes, work is obviously important. It is what provides you with an income, which obviously

is very important to live your life. But boundaries are also critical to focusing on other areas like maintaining your physical and your mental and your spiritual health. But if you really love your job, work can often be like an area of your life where all of these things are benefited. But if you're on the other foot and work is just you know what you do to pay the bills and put food on the table I think you need to be finding time for yourself and for other parts of your life that bring joy and to me that is super super critical and I think so many times we need to actually understand that delineation because it is okay to have a job where you go it's just my job I do it during the day it pays me well because I get my nourishment outside of that yeah it's actually okay as well

if you're like an RV, like I see that you're talking about boundaries, basically married to my job because I'm obsessed with it. That's okay. But what we want you to know is this is all like about consent really and choice and being given the choice and being able to make it. Like so many times when I worked, you know, even corporately, I was putting in so many more hours than I should. And once I realized why I could strip them back, but then there were also those hours that I'd put in because they made me feel better. So I'd be like, all right, well, you know, I'm not meant to be working on a Sunday, but if I spend an hour on a Sunday going through my calendar, going through my emails, I'm going to have a better week. And for me, my mental health

is so much better when I feel in control. And that was something where a lot of people would be like, can't believe you're working on a Sunday. But I'd be like, well, actually, I'd much prefer to do that hour on a Sunday so that I'm setting myself up for the week. So we're not saying draw these hard lines and, you know, don't do anything at all. Don't lift a finger. It's 5pm, hands in the air, otherwise you'll be in trouble. It's more, are you okay with that? Because like, if you are, like, it's your choice. Like, at the end of the day, we know that Australians put way more time, energy and effort into their roles than any other country in the world. And I think that that comes down to our loyalty. And it comes down to our work ethic and all of that. But we also don't

want to be taken advantage of. So that's what this podcast is about, Bec. Yeah, I totally agree with you. For me, I'm kind of like, you know, I love video editing. So I love a Friday night. I know it sounds weird where I just have like a red wine. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And like no one's going to annoy you because like everyone else is offline. Yes, exactly. It's so much fun for me to just like cut up some videos, have a red wine. But just to clarify, I mean, I know that I am choosing that, but basically once it hits 5pm, I go home and that's it. But I guess it's not really the case with everyone, is it? No, of course not. And sadly, it isn't the case for everybody like every year I alluded to this before the Australian Institute Centre for Future Work

releases their report for go home on time day and their findings I think are kind of gross so you know I was like oh Australians putting more time energy and effort like it's not me being like oh what a flex like we all know how I feel about that I think I've said before if you have a full-time job and somehow you're doing like 50 hours a week like that's not a flex like if someone says to me oh my god, yeah, like I work for this, you know, standard corporate role. I know they're meant to be employed for 38 hours a week. If they go, yeah, I do like 60 hours a week. It's like such a finance bro thing to say. I'll be like, oh wow, so you're not very good at time management then. Like it's not a flex, Bec. I know. Oh, you're neglecting other parts of your life. Oh, you're neglecting

other parts of your life. Oh, your employer's taking advantage of you. Like, no, that's not a flex. Let's reframe that. But that report, Bec, found that the average working Australian is missing out on $11,055 a year or $425 per fortnight due to unpaid overtime. That equals around 5.4 hours of unpaid work that Australians are doing each and every single year. And because I am the drama, let's make this statistic even worse. This means that Australian million employees are losing a cumulative $131 million to unpaid work every year. Wow. This is why we need some boundaries. I could do a lot with $131 million.

It wouldn't hurt to have an extra couple hundred every fortnight. But like, that's what we're doing. Like, you're doing unpaid work. Like, why don't you just go get a job driving, you know, Uber deliveries, at least you're being paid for that work. If you've got the time, clearly you do. And that's obviously very entitled and privileged to say so I just want to check that because I think some people will be like I have to like my industry demands it yes but it shouldn't be should it you're being taken advantage of yeah it's not nice to hear that right no one wants to hear like oh you're being taken advantage of they're like oh but like this is how we get ahead in my industry yeah but why is that the case

exactly that's so that is so bad so yuck like it is kind of bizarre that you know the average Aussie is putting in the work but not really getting the reward out which is probably why this episode exists and this is why we need some boundaries yes totally 100% and I guess I have spoken about it before I'm an employer and look I know there are times that you might need to log on to do some extra man hours and you know shout out to my team they are legends like sometimes I will log on and be like why are you online like I can see that you're online like get off the internet and they're like, oh, I'm just fixing up such and such. And I try to advocate for them as much as possible. And I'll be like, Beck, actually, I really would prefer if you're not online. Like,

I know that you're just trying to do something, but like, I don't want to be taking advantage of you. And obviously I always try to reiterate that, but my team also have really flexible working hours. So essentially they work the hours that suit them. Yes, they have a full-time job, but if one of them goes, ah, I don't really feel like working this morning, have no client meetings. I'm going to start at 10. You do you. They'll have to work later. So sometimes I have to be like, what time did you start? Like, is this you making up time? Like, is this actually a choice and it's actually part of your 38 hours a week? Or is this you literally doing overtime, which sometimes it's one or the other, but I think it's really important, especially as an employer

to respect your employees. Like the more that you respect them, the more that they respect you and your business. Like to me, it's wild that employers just demand this level of respect because they're the business owner so what I say goes and that to me is so ick it's like what makes you better than anybody else yeah like oh I agree and like we work a busy job and there are obviously busy times of the year and my team gets that and I really try to make sure that they have a good work-life balance like you know last year during International Women's Day we had a whole series of events and that required so much manpower but like there was compromise they got additional days off. Lots of places don't do that. And that blows my mind. And if my team need to go to appointments

and stuff, or they want to take a longer lunch to catch up with like some family, or they might have a friend in town or something, why wouldn't they do that? Like my team are adults, Bec, get this. So I treat them like adults. That is wild. Oh, it's an actual insane concept for a lot of people that, oh, you're an adult. Well, you know, do you have the capacity to take a two hour lunch break? They might go, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm going to work until seven tonight or I'm going to do this or I'm going to do that. I'm going to make it. Great. Like you're not taking the mickey out of me, but you're still having a good work-life balance. Does that not mean that you're probably going to like your job more? Yeah. Insane to me. But I think it's a give and

take relationship that needs to be had between employees and employers. And you obviously just can't take, take, take from employees. And yeah, I guess at the crux of it, you are paying them to do a job but they have lives they need to be respected and when you show them that to me it's always come back in spades yeah like my team have always been so supportive of me so supportive of you know the business as a whole and I think that that starts from the top like it starts from giving them that respect to begin with and going well actually you know don't be silly we have a recording day that day we can't take that day off and that's fine but if there's flexibility to be had and they need it, go forth and yonder. I completely agree. It's great for everything,

staff morale. I just feel like you're obviously a very good employer. My boss is the best boss I've ever had. And so I feel like in general, it's not me. You're one of them though. I don't get work full time. She actually loves video editing for ARN. I've tried. It hasn't worked yet. Well, either way, I mean, we're surrounded by really good people, but there are some people out there that actually kind of have bosses they don't really share that same perspective they maybe have like an old school way of dealing with leading the team and stuff like that it's really easy to say let's set boundaries when people are like us and like my boss but there are some people that don't have that how would you suggest they set boundaries if they're in that situation well

I think it's also a two-way street so I think about it and I have managed larger teams than the team I have today and I have had some really challenging circumstances where employees do take the mickey and you do have to kind of enforce boundaries and be like all right well this level of flexibility that I've given you is you know not just being taken for granted but being taken for an absolute ride you do need to turn up to work at 8am your hours are 8am to you know 5pm or whatever it is and I need you to be there at that time and be present and not take the mickey and, you know, you can't just go, oh, actually, I'm just going to work from home today because I've decided that I can work from home. You know, my boss is pretty flexible. When in your calendar

is like an all hands meeting that everybody was meant to be there in person for, I think there needs to be some level of like give and take, like you've got boundaries. I totally understand it, but you're not the only person in this relationship. And so back to your question, I think there are heaps of ways to implement different boundaries but let's go to a break actually okay on the flip side I'll tell you all about how to set them and keep them and maintain them good call okay guys we are back and V left us on a bit of a cliffhanger so we've established that Aussies are putting in extra hours of work every week I mean some weeks hopefully not every week but well for a lot of people every week yeah a lot of people every week like it's the reality

But I get it. Sometimes it's the hustle. Like, I totally get it. Like, we need to question the hustle. Absolutely. Savi, can you please tell us what can we actually do to protect our brains from thinking nonstop about work and set up healthy boundaries? All right, Bec, we are going to first sit down and we're going to Marie Kondo our lives a little bit. What's my story for you? Like, what do you love doing? I want you to list all of that out and have a think about it. Is it your friends? Your family? Is it, you know, Bec, you've really gotten into the gym. You love that. whatever it might be let's figure it out and be really clear on that then we're going to implement actual physical things that you can do in order to make sure that your boundaries are clear to

your employer so that you can genuinely enjoy these areas of your life that fulfill you i think there needs to be also a clear delineation of not being rude like getting up and walking out at 5 p.m and being like well i'm done like that's not going to win you any friends is it so i've got a list. We love a list. Would you like me to take you through it? Love a list. We love a list. I've got ADHD, so I list everything. So first things first, big suggestion is muting your emails or work notifications in general. Good one. I'm not good at this. So like, do as I say, not as I do. I have so many work notifications. Please also remember, I'm the business owner. I'm also a control freak. Like I need to know what's coming in and out at all times. Also, if something hits

the fan. I need to be the first on it because that's my responsibility as the owner. Turns out, Bec, that's not your responsibility. If it happens after hours, you should be able to fix it within business hours. If it's a genuine emergency, it should be going to me as the owner or the manager of that and not pestering you. It's not your responsibility out of hours, right? Like, unless I'm paying an on-call fee for you, where it's like, oh, Bec, if something hits the fan and, you know, you need to spend three hours fixing it, like, don't worry, you'll get overtime. you'd be like slay I love money but that's not the case for most employees is it totally a saying my team loves is that there are never any emergencies in marketing so like my team

use it all the time especially when I'm flustered they'll be like there's no such thing as an emergency in marketing this is true yeah like we use it all the time like there's no such thing as an emergency in podcasting like right there's no such thing as an emergency in marketing like I do not care what your beliefs are. That works for us because I'm not conducting brain surgery. That is a genuine emergency. Unless like, I mean, you are actually a doctor and you're listening to this and you are trying to draw boundaries and like your on-call like page went off because you have to go do brain surgery. That's actually a different story than us. But if you're off the clock, you switch off. Like we can deal with it tomorrow. And I think that that has maintained really

healthy boundaries between my team and I, but also my team and my clients. And, you know, clients sometimes get out of hand. None of the ones we're currently working with, don't worry. But sometimes clients get out of hand and they'll email you at 9pm and be like, hey, so that campaign that's going live tomorrow, we've actually decided to change the script completely. You go, well, actually, I'll get back to you at 9am after it's gone live and we can amend it then because I am not going to have my team working at midnight to fix the script that you guys had already signed off on. Like I'm quite clear about that because that is not worth the mental stress for my team. And also I know that we communicate clearly. We set boundaries with

our clients. I gave them sign off weeks prior. This is not an emergency. Bec, there's literally nothing more draining and consuming when you are constantly seeing emails popping up related to work. So let's just make sure that there are practical ways of shutting off while you're in your downtime because for most jobs, it's not an emergency. And also another person's sense of urgency. So whether that is your manager or a client does not constitute an emergency on your behalf. So like just because someone else is flustered about it and stressed about it does not mean you have to take that on. Go, okay, cool. Hold on. Let's step back. Is this in the grand scheme of things actually an emergency? No, I'll deal with it tomorrow morning. Thank you so much

for looping me in. It's so hard to like feel that energy and not let it overtake you. In the moment it's really hard but I think that once we start to talk about it and learn more and go well actually you're right. I get so stressed when I see my manager's emails coming through at 9pm. Turn them off. Yeah. You owe them not anything at 9pm. The next is I want you to set the boundaries with your boss and your co-workers. So let's say you're outside of working hours and your boss decides to text you rather than email or send it on Slack and you feel like you need to address it immediately, you actually don't. So what I would do, we're kind, like we're not being rude here. We're not setting boundaries and then yelling at people for crossing them. Hey, no

worries. Thanks so much for looping me in. I'll actually get to this first thing tomorrow morning. As soon as you start responding to work-related requests outside of business hours, that kind of becomes the expectation and employers are and do and will take advantage of this. yeah like at the end of the day beck if i'm texting you at 9 p.m and going oh i really would love to xyz and you're oh yeah i'll do it right now like i'll go oh beck's fine to do that yeah obviously i'm not going to take advantage of you like that don't worry but i think you texting being like yeah that sounds epic i'll get onto it tomorrow morning just a little reminder that i'm not working right now i'm not in front of a laptop right now you could be anywhere it's your personal

time. So it's personal information. The next is put on your email signatures, I guess, when you're available and when you're not. So Jess in our team, we all know Jess, she's on the Friday Eps. She's really good at this. So if she's in the studio, she puts on an email like out of office that says, thanks for the email. I'm actually out of office today. I'm in the studio recording and I'll get back to you ASAP if it's an emergency. Here's Maddie's contact details and she can deal with it. So I like that she kind of sets a boundary, but also communicates it. It's not just going, well, I'm in the studio, so I'm clearly not going to get back to my emails today. But she sets that out of office so that, you know, if a client does email during genuine work hours,

they're like, oh, she's actually busy with another work task or another work thing. And to me, this is really important because if you've communicated this, then perfect. But the expectation is then not on Jess to get back to them that day. Like you've set an expectation and it kind of avoids you getting home and feeling like you need to get back to everybody because you missed, quote, a work day. But Jess was working all day. It was just a different task and she didn't have time for it during that working period and that is so fine.

The next, Bec, do not disturb. Massive sign. Stick it on your forehead. But that's an option on your phone as well to turn on focus. So I use the focus thing on my phone all the time and it means that if people text you, It will like notify them that your notifications are turned off and therefore they won't expect action until it's clearly at a time that works for you. That is a big source of my anxiety, but it's good that they let people know that notifications

are turned off. Well, have you ever text me after hours? It happens on my phone. So if you text me like 9pm, it will like not send a reply, but under your messages, it will have a little notification and it will say, Victoria has her notification silenced. Yes, I have seen those. That is really, really good. I mean, it should always be guilt-free. You can text me. It's fine. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but I have ADHD. And sometimes I get in brain dump mode and I'm like, far out. It would be great if Beck did A,

B, C, D, E, F, G. And I'm not in the mind frame of going like, oh, it's 9pm, probably shouldn't be worrying Beck. I'm just like, oh, I want to get that to Beck so she can deal with it tomorrow. Sure. Usually I'll just message it to you on Slack or whatever so that, you know, it's a work channel and you shouldn't have those notifications on anyway. But I think it's really important to remember that maybe they are just brain dumping. Maybe they're just going, oh, shit,

I do need to remember to get back to do that. It's for tomorrow. But then I'll get the notification that says Bec has her notification silenced and I'll be like, great, well, at least the message was delivered. She can look at it later. Yes. Like, that's fine.

Yeah, I kind of like that. Next thing on my list, this is number five. Yep. Begin to be assertive and honest about the capacity that you actually have. Okay. This is like really attacking you personally, because how many times, Bec, and I try not to do this to you, but I know that if someone said, hey, Bec, have you got a minute? What do you say?

Yes, definitely. I have several of them. Yeah, but do you? No, not always. No, you don't have a minute. You don't. And it's okay to say no. So if you've been working an hour overtime every day for the past week, I need you to communicate with your manager and express that you have plans like for 5.30 and that you'll be knocking off work at an appropriate time tonight like I know that you shouldn't have to articulate that but like if you've set the expectation we need to reset the expectation in not a you've been taking advantage of me way like

just go oh hey like I'll be leaving at 5.30 on time tonight sorry I've got a dinner and you can do that whenever you want but like it might make you feel a little bit better about having to be like oh I can't do this yeah you've shown up you've done your best at work that day and now I need you to go and enjoy your cocktail in peace like really really important but also I think the whole be honest about your capacity is really important so if your manager for example is just loading you up and being like oh Beck also here's another thing I think going they just wanted to talk about my capacity like so happy to do this that sounds like a really fun task actually but I have A, B, C, D, E, F. Just looking at my week, I'm not going to be able to deliver all of those.

What are your priorities? Do you want me to mix this in? Do you want me to make this the top priority? Like what ones are actually important? Because nine times out of 10 can almost guarantee that your manager has forgotten what they have allocated to you this week and you've just bitten off more than you can chew. But also it's a clear reminder to them that you cannot get the work done in the period of time that has been allocated. Maybe it needs to be reallocated. Maybe we need to stretch out some timeframes and be like, oh my God, Bec, that is actually a lot of stuff. How about we just make it due in two weeks instead of one? Like, let's talk about these things so that you're not putting unnecessary pressure on yourself. Like, I just remember my

corporate days and being so triggered because I would have so many things put on my plate, but I'd never say no. And I'd never tell them that my capacity was too much. And then I'd be like, but they gave me all this work and I have to do it this week because they said it was due Friday. and, like, I'd stress myself out, why didn't I have those conversations about, like, oh, hey, like, I'm actually, like, fully booked this week to get Project ABC done. I know that you want me to take on Project D, but, like, at what cost? Right.

I guess it is really good to look through that list and see that there are actually so many practical ways of doing it without the anxiety of, like, a sit-down conversation. You can, yeah, literally just, like, pop your phone on Do Not Disturb or mute your emails, like, things like that. It doesn't have to be aggressive. No. And when we say be assertive, it's just more like, oh, hey, like we're not being rude or mean or anything.

I'd love to do that. But I have four other projects on the go at the moment. Like, do you want me to prioritize this one or deprioritize it? And sometimes if you're working in like a nine to five job, there might be multiple people giving you multiple different things. And like, you don't know what I've been given by, you know, Annalisa, our producer versus Jess or, you know, Gabby. You have no idea what's on my plate this week. So when you ask for something and I go, well, Beck, how important is it? You go, oh, well, actually, it's really important, V, it's for this.

I go, okay, cool. Now I need to like reschedule my week. And I might need to go back to Gabby and be like, hey, this other important thing has popped up. Do you mind if I look at this other thing next week? And that's fine. But it's about setting that expectation, not just assuming I'll take on more, I'll take on more, I'll take on more.

And that's where good diary management can come in. Yeah. Like time block. If I didn't time block, I would be absolutely cooked, Bec. Yeah, absolutely. And I think like, it's good that you mentioned that you're not being mean, or I think that a source of anxiety for a lot of people is that they might come across as like, they're not as committed to their work. It doesn't actually mean that at all, does it? No, absolutely not. And I

think that that's where we need to talk, maybe not with our manager directly about boundaries, but even just the communication of it, like having those like, oh, Bec, I really want to do a good job on that, but I've got these other things on, like which one's priority? Because it's saying in a way without having to say it. I'm not going to be working until 10pm every night to get this done. So like, when is it going to get done? And I think that that is absolutely fine. But at the end of the day, you need to protect your peace and a lot of employers, not all, but as a business owner, I know that when my team is feeling refreshed and respected, they are so much more likely to perform at a higher level and deliver amazing outcomes for the team because they actually

feel good. They feel rested. They feel excited for work rather than drained and overwhelmed and all consumed. And I genuinely think that that's what employers should be striving for because ultimately it benefits them. Absolutely. Like you're telling me, and not all employers are going to agree with this. One of my employees up all night with one of their kids, they're overwhelmed. They are just so done. They had next to no sleep. You're telling me that the best thing for everyone here is that they still turn up at 8.30 for work the next morning. I haven't got any client meetings. So there's no like real commitment there. You're telling me that it's not better to have my team member go, do you know what? I'm going to drop the kids off to daycare,

get rid of them because that was the worst night. I'm going to go back to bed till 10am. Then I'm going to go to work. I'll do some work later. You're telling me that's not a better outcome? Absolutely would be. What are you guys on if that's not a better outcome? Like a well-rested employee who you know comes in switched on feels like they had that flexibility feels like they were respected is going to give so much more even if they're at work you know for less period of time and they're making it up later like for sure right the feeling of being an equal and valued part of the team is so valuable but I also wanted like no this is you know maybe not so relevant for me but if there's a business owner listening out there what do you

think their takeaway should be? Don't be a dick. Oh, yeah. So for business owners, treat your employees like the adult humans that they are. Like you're not employing 12-year-olds because one, that would be illegal. If you are, you really need to probably look at yourself in the mirror. But also treat your employees just like the adults. They have lives and they have good days and they have bad days. And yes, you need to show up for you between nine and five every day but reward them when they are working over time thank them for going above and beyond like I totally get it you might be a small business and you're like oh this is so awkward but like some of my team work over time and I actually really need them to but I can't afford

to pay them one that's not cool you need to work that out but like at least vocalize that you're grateful at least I'd be like honestly thank you so much I know you don't have to you know I really really appreciate it. And like you, again, don't have to, but I think just feeling like you're valued is really important as well. And if they are going above and beyond, talk to them about that and just be like, I am so grateful. I really appreciate this. You know what, where possible, remunerate them, pay overtime if that's part of it. But at the end of the day, they're going over and above for your business, for you, and that should be rewarded. Absolutely. What are you talking about employees. So for employees, communication is obviously the key. Like

setting your boundaries, it can be hard, but from little things, big things grow. Start with really small boundaries. Manage expectations from the get go though to protect your peace. Take the practical steps, but also just communicate with your employer. If they don't respect you as a human being going through life, honestly, get a new job. Find someone who values you. There's lots of places out there. I know that that is the hard reality of it because so many people We'll be like, Biffy, it's such a good job. I'm getting such a good experience. At what cost?

At what cost? Absolutely. So I think we need to talk about that more and more regularly. But what we need to be doing is setting boundaries. I love that. I think it's a really good place to leave it for today. I do think so too. So have a good week, guys.

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