Sh**ged Married Annoyed - Please Keep Me Anonymous with Natalie Cassidy

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

On this week's podcast Chris and Rosie Ramsey are joined by actress, podcaster and all round brilliant Natalie Cassidy! The three discuss favourite swear words, life after Eastenders and what it's like having a teenage daughter. Natalie reads a great Please Keep Me Anonymous story and tells Chris and Rosie why she loved performing at The Mighty Hoopla! Natalie also talks about what inspired her to make the documentary series, Natalie Cassidy: Caring Together whereby she sets out to get a Health and Social Care qualification. And if she wasn't busy enough she also has a podcast called Life With Nat. On the pod Natalie talks to various members of her family about the realties of every day life! You can find Natalie Cassidy: Caring Together on BBC Iplayer or click here: Natalie Cassidy: Caring Together Life with Nat is available wherever you get your podcasts! If you want to get involved and have your stories and voice notes included on Shagged Married Annoyed, then get in touch! 📧: [e-mail] 📱: 07874 406650 You can watch the podcast on the Shagged Married Annoyed YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@shagged.married.annoyed Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Oh, I just love her. Yeah. I just love her so, so much. That's because you're the same person as we find out in this episode. It's ridiculous. It's like we're talking to the same person, a cockney version of you. Yeah. It's madness. I wonder if we are actually like kind of related, but got separated of birth and she's down here and I'm up there. Definitely not. Moving on. Natalie's on. She's promoting eight-part documentary series, Natalie Caring Together. Sounds amazing. She actually gets a qualification

in health and social care. Yeah, brilliant. And she's also talking about our podcast, Life with Nat, which she records. Life of Nat, in it. Chris hasn't stopped doing her accent. Not when she was here, because I was actually, like,

legit scared of her. You'll find out. On our podcast, she talks about the highs and lows of everyday life with different members of our family, and it's available wherever you Get your podcasts. Little advice to our, never work with your family.

It doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. We're not good family. Now, if you're watching this on YouTube, please subscribe. That would be lovely. And yeah, enjoy. We had a fight about the jingle, jingo. We couldn't settle on a jingo.

Jingle do. So this is the jingo. Jinggo to. We hope you like the jingo, jingo. Like the bloodies, the bloodies and the shit, they're not too bad, are they? No, they're okay. Jesus Christ, Robin gives a Jesus Christ now and then, doesn't he? Yeah, he does.

Yeah, and God's sake, I don't like, actually. God's sake. Come on, his goodness sake. Yeah, fair enough. Oh, yeah. So does yours, yours doesn't drop the F-Bomb, sure. She has dropped the F-Bomb a few times. But knows that it's wrong.

Right. But when you sat watching Motherlands and Friday night dinner. Yes. And it's not my fault, but I'm like, that's an adornful. adult thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're intelligent, you don't need to swear.

Mm-hmm. But I swear all the time. I swear, no. Oh, God, I love swearing. I love swearing. Oh, it's cathartic. What's your favorite swear word? Oh.

Probably fuck. Yeah, probably effort. It goes everywhere. It's a good. I like bollocks. Oh, I never see bollocks. Because it can be really good as well, it's like the dog's bollocks.

Yeah, yeah. Or you look with bollocks. Yeah. Oh, this is all bollocks. Love it. It just explains, like, it explains everything emotion. So it's so funny because I say the F word quite a lot.

But when I was growing up, I did not... My mum and dad are not like really like, oh, yeah, yeah. But they managed to never ever say the F word until I think I didn't hear my dad say it until I was in my 20s. Oh wow, that's amazing. Really good. I remember hearing him and being like, oh my God.

Do you know what I mean? Like really taking it back by him... Really good parents. No, they're not... But they're not like... I love them to death. But they weren't... Like, I don't know. It was just one of their things. I think they just made a pact of like We don't swear in front of the kids And they're really stuck to it

So when I heard him say it I mean now I hear it all the time But when I was really taking her back And I was just like It's interesting having a 15 year old now Because she's yeah And she'll talk in and she'll be like You know I just can't fucking bleep

And I said well whoa You're not talking to your friends now I find it really jar I say don't swear Please don't swear How is it How did you find the teenager with the girls?

Eliza matured really early. So actually 12 and 13 were hell on earth. Hell on earth. Really, really bad. Wow, just hormones, just carnage. Awful, awful, just can't do anything right, screaming, shout. I remember.

Slaming, all of that. Wow. But really now, she's 15, nearly 16. I feel she's come out of it. I mean, I could have another shit time coming, I don't know. Right, okay. But as it stands touch wood. Touch wood.

She's just being really good. Oh, it's so hard. So we, our oldest is 10. Yeah. And I keep having to say it to you, don't I'm like, there's testosterone, like raging through his little body. It's funny how you've got a set to him when he's got it. Isn't that insane?

I have to say that. I don't think I've ever had much testosterone, I'm going to be on a street. Yes, you have. Don't say that. Although you have got a very, very good head of hair. Yeah. Have you heard that about men? Right.

What is it? Apparently, bald men. Yeah. You know how they've got loads of hair. Usually bald men have got loads of hair of the rest of the the body. Oh yeah. Because they've got loads more testosterone than men with a full head of hair.

Oh, Mark's got a full head of hair. What is testosterone level like? Well, who knows? Get them. Get them. What an incredible thing that was to watch. Yesterday, Rosie. It's just a dipstick like a car.

You pull it out, your white meat, you put it back in, you check the level. That's exactly how you check testosterone. You're quite sure. I think there is some blocs who are a lot more testosterone filled. I think I'm a lot. Yeah, I'm not an angry. No, it's very, very light back. I mean, I'm a ball of anxiety,

but I'm not like a, like a, so, yeah, but what I haven't told you actually, Rosie, is me and Robin, our 10-year-old, he loves a bit of Eminem now, loves listening to Eminem, so I've obviously got to carefully curate which ones you can listen to because sometimes it's not just swearing, sometimes it's just awful themes.

Yes, yes. Which sometimes will be listening to one, and it'll say on Spotify, like, they'll not have a little E next to it, they'll not have little explicit, I go, oh, this one's fine, and halfway through it, it'll drop an F-bomb, and we'll be driving,

and like that and we just literally look at each other. Don't say anything. I just look at him and he looks at me and we'll go like that and then one of them which one is it?

It's Stan. The clean version of Stan on Spotify says shit five or six or seven times and every time and it said more and more and Rob's sitting there going

oh he's going oh God and every time I swore he was going Dad's he keeps wet I know man I just don't say it I don't want to hear you say it

but it's a really good song and he loves the song Stan and he likes he likes the fact that it's got a Yeah, story's like obsessed with songs that I've got a narrative on them. So, but yeah, he says shit like loads and loads of times. And every time we're getting, we'll just look at each other.

Just a little glance. And he knows that I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. And he's like, I know what you're saying. And we'll move on. That's good. Yeah. And then we'll stop and I go right and fuck off out of the car.

It's good. You little shit. He's like, oh, I've heard that one. It's really lovely to see you. And you know. When did we do Saw & Bee? I was trying to remember. I think it's about.

four years ago. Is it? Yeah. Wow. I wouldn't have guessed that. Four years ago. Well, you weren't there? So you wouldn't know, would you?

I think you'll find I was given update every night after you had finished, after everything, get texts, get phone calls. You were amazing on that. I was it? You were?

That, like, Gallagher cloak thing you made. Oh, darn. It was really good. Panic of it all. It all fell apart. I took it home, I took her home. Did I? In a bag?

Yeah, oh, yeah. brought them home. I bring me stuff back. Brought it home in a bag. It went in a basket. The bottom of stairs. It stayed in the basket until possibly a couple months ago

where I took it out of the basket and put it in a different cupboard. You've never touched it. All looked at it since. Clutter. I put mine in the bottom of the spare wardrobe and it's still in a bag. I'm like, I'll keep this forever.

The nostalgia. Couldn't give a shit. Get rid of it. That was a really great. It was a mad program because I did not know how to saw at all. Or me.

And then, but we managed to, we managed to do it and make stuff. It did all right. Yeah. The mad thing about those programs is, it's August, we're baking.

And it's Christmas, isn't it? So you've got all snow-filled rooms and Christmas. Yeah. It's a little bit like a cheese dream. It was absolutely, it was. It was boiling,

wasn't it? And we were doing the Christmas special. Yeah. Yeah. I do remember, okay. So that whole, that like couple of years,

so I had Rath and our world went insane. And because, obviously, I'm living my dream. I didn't want to say no to anything. No, of course. But honestly,

I had a bit of a breakdown. Not a huge breakdown. Very private, sort of just in my own bed. It was day by day breakdown, it wasn't like, it wasn't one moment. It was just,

it was a drip-fed breakdown. Yeah, just did too much. And I'm just glad that that part of my life is over now. But you don't, you can't say no, can you? No, I know. I did it last year.

When I did the documentary when I was filming it. Yeah. So I come out of his standards. Which we're going to talk about in depth very soon. Oh, I've got to. But when I came out of EastEnders

I made the choice And I was like, I've got to be brave Been in the job for ages And it's regular money This is the second time I left This is the second time, yeah You know, I was 41 and I thought No, I need to get out of here

It was weird really Because the pattern was, I started when I was 10 I did 12 years Had 8 years off And I went back for 12 And I left So maybe I'll go back in 8 years You never know, do you?

Yeah They didn't kill her off, did they? No. So she's still very much alive. She's still alive and chicken. Wow. In barley. Lucky cow.

She took her little baby to Bali. He was about two days old. We know the passport. Right. It's hilarious. Campish thing. Hand luggage. Come on, we're off to Bali.

See you. See you. See you later, everyone. Well, you can assume, though, you know, like a bit of artistic license that maybe she went to the local passport office on the way. On the way. Yeah. Of Stock of Victoria.

Yeah, yeah, sort of that, and then went, yeah. There's one in Durham that week and good. There's one in Durham that. But actually, if your child isn't registered, I think you've got a registered. I don't think the birth is registered. Jesus Christ, read between the lines, Rosie. She went to, not over, not ever there has to be filmed.

She went to the town hall. She got it sorted. Then she sorted the passport. She stayed over maybe a couple of nights in a travel lodge, just to sit in a travel lodge, family room. And then she didn't want to play in a barloom. The only problem with that in the script. It said, come on, we got to go.

The flight's at six. So. The flight. The flight. I'm going to fix this. The internal flight to Newcastle Airport because she was going to Durham

to get a passport renewed at the place I was just about to mention that we go to. There we go. Very good. Did she specifically say the flight to Bali's in 10 minutes? Probably, yeah.

It's South World. Anything can happen in South World. Honestly, I don't think I can fix this. I don't think I can fix this. So you came out and then you were doing you did the documentary. Yeah, and I thought, right, what am I going to do? And then this opportunity

came up for the documentary and I'd looked after my dad my dad lived with me I was really lucky to have him with me for ages he was like my best friend and he stayed with me and all the family and when I lost him I was with him right till the end and loved caring for him and then I spoke to this production company you know how they do you've got any ideas what you want to do you know what's like yeah yeah and I said well I've not really been in education for ever since I was 16 I did the bare minimum and I had a job so so you did but when you were 10 he started to stay in there so you did that alongside school?

Yeah. My God, was that mental? Yeah, but you're only there sort of 40 days a year because of the laws. Yeah. And when you're 13, it goes up to 80 days. But what was that like being on a huge soap while being at school? Just was what it was like. I think it's mad, isn't it?

Because you don't know any different. Yeah, exactly that. People say, oh, but you've been famous. I can't remember not being recognised. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the way my, it's just my life. Yeah.

I think now as well, I keep trying to pair of my kids like we're in the 90s and we're not in the 90s anymore. Like when we're 90s and like, you're telling me off all the time and I'm like, yeah, but when we were kids, you know, like, they do not have our life. Yeah, like, for multiple reasons. Yeah. It's so true.

It's what we had. Yeah. Like, and it's, yeah, so that, that must have been, but you didn't know any different. Didn't know any different. Yeah. Well, I loved it. It was brilliant.

I bet it was fun. Yeah. It's just nice to have always. And again, like you see it in this world as well. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a mortgage peer. It's like a boom, that sort of, You've got this regular job, like you say.

It's like you can do your panel shows. You can do your this. You can do that. You can come on podcast. But then you've got, bang, the day job, the real bang, constant. And that is so rare. In this industry, it's so rare. What we do is so rare.

It's like, like you say, having a proper job. Why are you like seven years later? We're still doing the podcast. We can't believe. Because it's like, okay, but this is a secure income. You're like the OGs of podcasting. I said to Chris earlier. I was on the train thinking, well, you're like the top, the first.

Do you know what? You must think, what are all these idiots doing? We've been doing this for so long. There's millions and millions of them coming out and you must be like, oh, God. It's a little bit late for them. Would you love to know whose idea it was to start? Yeah.

It's mine. Because it was. God, I hate it when we have female guests. Chris, I went to do a podcast and Chris went, what's a podcast? I didn't say what to, I said, what's the point? I knew a podcast, well, but I... Sorry, you'd listen to the, you'd listen to the...

You'd listen to you. Yeah, yeah, but I was like, what's the point? You're going to waste a podcast. this, he's pointing at his face by the way for the audio here. I'm a huge fan of podcast, though, so actually I would not have known what a podcast was seven years ago. Did you not? No. No. And now you've got one. Yeah? Yeah. We've been doing it for two years. Do you love it? I do love it. Yeah. I find it really free and I think it's really because it's so different to the teleworld where it's all quite, you've got to be very careful

and scripted and all that kind of stuff. I think on our podcast we're just like, I mean, free. Yeah. And I love that about it. It has changed, I think, though, with all the video stuff. I think you, you know, for you guys, when you started, it was just very free because it was audio only. Yeah. And now it's changing.

Yeah, I know. You're seeing even, you know, spin-off television shows going and podcast taking over. So it is, like, everything changes, doesn't it? I just sound like an old person. No. No. We hate that it's videoed now. We hate that we have to get ready, ready.

Oh, and I used to do mine in my pajamas. Have you seen my video? No, no. I've seen them on YouTube. I look like a boiled egg. No, you don't. So some of them, if I've been out for the day, I look okay. But I will sit there, hair scraped up, no makeup on, pyjamas on.

I don't get my makeup or anything done for that. I put a bit of makeup on and I try and do my hair, but it's very much like... I would show you what I look like on some of them. You won't believe it, right? But then I just couldn't care less. But that's what people like about you, though. You're real. You're a real woman.

Yeah. And I think we're losing. that in the world. So don't ever, don't ever change that. I would never. Do you know what I mean? It's hard though, isn't it? For us?

Yeah. When you're looking at everybody else, I think there's a lot at the moment. It actually spurs me to go the other way, though. Yeah, I don't know whether. I've never had any, I've never had a Botox. No, me neither. Injection in my life.

No, here we go. I don't really have, what do you mean? Here we go. This is her, you're talking her language here. I know, I'm saying. We are burning bras here. We are burning fron bras guys. No, but I tell you what, I tell you what,

I tell you what? I'll tell you what, I think. Yeah. We're going to make a fortune. What, in what we? In years to come. Right, okay. How's that?

Because we're not, there's so many, we're going to be, it's going to be so rare to have someone who's had nothing done. That's true. I did have my boobs done a year ago though. Did you? Get out. Get out. Get out.

A job or lift or what? Huh? A job. I was, I was 19 or 21 and I was much bigger down below and I wanted to even myself out. But that annoys me now. But you were on the telly and you had money. Yeah, I know. And you'd be very.

I've recognized since you are 10. That does something to the person. I actually think the fact that you've never had more than that done is really commendable. Bearing of mind that you've had to say your face on the television since you were 10 year old. I think that's a really, really good. But my thing is though, right?

So I genuinely... Before you do this point, come we just take a moment to say how genuinely terrified I was when you mentioned Botox now and I went, oh here we go and she literally looked at her as I'm going, what do you mean? Now, literally, I'm not kidding. I shrap my pants a little bit.

She'll literally look now and she went, What do you mean? And I was like, I'm on your side. I was talking, fuck, like, I might have to change my under pants after this. Carry on. But it's a hard, it's a hard conversation because all my mates get it done. And do you know what?

They look fucking lush. Like, they genuinely do. I agree with you. Lones of mine. I'm literally like, my friends started doing it a couple of years ago. And I was like, you know, what? You've had Botox? You look amazing.

They look, yeah. They look great. But I just find it's, my whole argument on it is, I find it sad that they felt that they've had to have it done. But have they felt they've had to? No, they've wanted you. And yeah, I get that. But also, if it wasn't a thing, oh, I don't know.

It's a really tricky. And I'm never ever, I'm not saying that I'm never going to get it. But I'll tell you what, Rosia, our skin's cracking. We have got quite, you've got really good skin. I just noticed it when I walked in. You've got very good skin. So maybe we're being a little bit disingenuous because we do. We're quite lucky jeans.

Yeah. And I'm also a massive hypocrite because I spend hundreds of pounds on my creams and my toners and everything. So the money that I'm not spending on Botox, I spend on creams. The layers of cream on her face on a knife. It's ridiculous. Her head's three times a size it is now when she goes to bed. It's ridiculous. So maybe Sam also feeding into a world of the other side of the world.

What are we going to say? You sleep with what? Make up on. Don't wash my face. Really? Not all the time. Sometimes I'll put one of those masks on, the peel mask. Yeah.

Are the Hannibal Lekker at the bottom of the lift shaft face? That's it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have just got really good genes. Yeah. I drink a lot of water. Yeah, I do as well.

But I also drink a lot of wine. So do I. So do I? So now, would you? Swing some roundabout. Botox question. This is like the same character being played by someone from the north and someone from the south. It's ridiculous.

It's like Cockney Rosie and Jorny Rosie. Oh, I did audition for about my room. I haven't had Botox. I haven't had Botox either, darling. I drink loads of water? I drink loads of water. I drink lots of water. Oh, babadoo, babadoo.

Babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, baadoo, bah. Would you get it done, though, in the future? Botox. Yeah. Depends. Never say never. I'm the same, because now I say all my friends, but I think we're at the, how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

No, of course not, 43. 43, I'm 40 this year. I feel like... Oh, you're young. Three years old. No, I know, but you're in your 30s. You're still in 30. Oh, for another couple of months.

Oh, oh, clearly 27 days, definitely. I'm the 3rd of August. She's the 30th of August. Oh, so I'm... Yeah, we're both 40 this year. Cracking, what are you doing? You've got to do something large, surely. I've already done it.

I've just got back from a golf trip. I went and played golf with me, mate. I went to Verona with my mom and my sister. Oh, that's lovely. We're so lucky because we work together. Whenever we come down to London to do this, we have a night. You have time together, yeah.

We have lovely nights. We're really lucky in that way. So actually, I don't feel like we need to do it. We're going on a lovely family holiday. Yeah. Quite a spensy one next month. Nice, nice. So I feel like we are doing some lovely little things

and we might have a little gathering of the friends we're chatting about. But, but yeah. So, yeah. I was saying, like, when you've done the stuff we've done, we've sold out the O2, like, we've done all these huge things. So you go like, these massive things, we're like, so you go like, you know.

Is it that mad to sell out that O2 with a podcast? Don't you think that's mad? Yeah, it was insane. It was not. You can't really remember it. Wasn't you in the Guinness World Records? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We literally, we couldn't remember.

Like, we couldn't barely remember it. It was a word. will win. I mean, I get excited when I sell out Hartford-Beam, which is like 140 people or something. And I feel really proud. But that's 1140 people. People, I will never, ever not be so humbled. That people come out.

When they're honestly, you're looking through the curtain. When they're sitting down, they're taking their coats off. They're putting their bags down. They're sitting down and they're looking, getting ready for it to come out. It's the most incredible feeling in the world. And people think I'm full of shit when I say, I have moments on stage where I'm still like, I can't believe you're here. It's so true.

And you're listening and you're laughing. It's mental. It's so true. Point being when you've done stuff like that together is, as well. We did the O2 of them went to stay in a nice hotel. And so filling the local community centre with your mates and putting a spread on. It's like, it's nice, but we didn't need to do that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's fine. Thanks for coming, but I'd rather just had a quiet one and went for a curry. We don't need everyone here. We're probably like foodies, so far rose. That's what, that's all I want to do. I'm like, I just want to go for a meal. Taste it menu. Yeah.

Oh my God, taste a minute with the wine pairing. Oh, get a bit of cheese at the end. Have you been to the leadberry? She doesn't do cheese. I don't like cheese. Have you been to the leadberry? No, what is the leadbury? Just write it down and go, please.

Where is it? Notting Hill. Oh, okay. The leadbury, right. Okay. The leadberry. Oh, I haven't heard of it either. You need to go there.

Is it a tasty menu? Yeah. Wine parent. It's extortionate. Of course it is. But I think, do you know what it is? I think if you work hard, I always kind of put it to different ways. You know, sometimes my friends and that, we like really nice wine.

I don't go out very much. I think we are the same person. I think we are. I'd rather spend 30 pound on a nice bottle of wine and have it in the house. Pay me mortgage for that I love, right, in my pyjamas, being comfortable watching film. But I like going to the pub.

Mark and I will always, we'll pop over the pub. Yeah. But we don't really do. I like being at home with the kids. I enjoy being at home. This is so horrible. I love being at home. You know when people go,

oh, you've got to go out. You've got to have a life. You go away on your own. I don't want to go away on me on. Yeah. I like going away with my family. Rosie's perfect idea of a night is she's sitting in the house

she's having a drink, she's watching the telly, the kids and me were around but we're not bothering her. Like we're there, but we're not bothering her. So we're in a perfect way. I'm maybe doing bedtime

and you're just sitting with a glass of wine. Yeah, perfect. That's a perfect night. I just always want to be near them because I just feel like, I don't know, it's like a lovely feeling.

Yeah. I don't want them to bother us. Yeah. I want to go in the back. She wants them to be there but she doesn't want to have to get up to make a juice. Yeah.

I don't have to get up and do anything. That is my, that's what I want for me 40th. I said this before. I want a night in the house from, let's say, from 4 o'clock, right, from when they get into school, you do everything. They can come and say hello to us. I want to cuddle. They can have five minutes each.

I want, like, cuss and greet. But I don't want to have to do anything, and I don't want them to bother. It's going to have that. No. I'll go in the nice room, I'll shut the door. Okay. Right?

Yes, of course you can have that. You can have that tomorrow night when we get home if you want. I'm not bothered. Ah. Oh, you canny. My nice lounge is now got a lot of kids. stuff in it which is really upsetting. Oh, you've got to be strong. I tell you what. I try. But because the nine-year-old now, she's just watched the devil wears Prada.

Amazing. So she watched the first one. The first one. And then we went to the cinema. Oh, did you love it? Watch the second one. She didn't really like the second one as much. But I think it's, when you know the first one, the second one is all the astounded. You're very nodding yourself. Yeah. I was crying all the way through. But she wants to play that now. So she gets all of my magazines, tape magazines and Vogue magazines and old one. And she has them all. I have to do, I have to be moral street. I'm like, that's all. And we play the game, but she's in the lounge, that's where the magazines are. So there's suddenly a laptop and a notebook and a pencil, and I'm like, I can't have this. I know.

I know. I know. I know. We've got such a big age gap between our two that they don't necessarily like the same TV programs. So the older one has slipped into the nice room. And I'll just find like, I'll find like ice lolly sticks like on the side of the sofa. And then I'll, and I'm just like, oh, Jesus. We haven't taught about this.

Has he got his heart out on the sofa? I don't know. We haven't talked about this, but he, the way he finishes a nice lolly, and then he chews that stick. Yeah, like a dog to, within a inch of its leg. I'm like, mate, you're going to get splinters in your gums.

Like, how will you do it? He just chews every, it's you. You're a chew, aren't you? I loved a good chew when I was a kid. We're going to do this question because we have just sat and chatted. Hold on, let's quickly, very quickly, very. Go on.

What's the question? I wasn't, I was just going to, before we finished, mentioned Nat's podcast. Life with Nat. On the podcast. She records at home and she's a one-man band. She does everything. Well, you say everything.

No, you get the WhatsApp and everything, don't you? I get the WhatsApps on my phone, yeah. Wow. There's a lot to go through. That's insane. But it's good. I'm not like, love Junisenders. No, they love the topics, don't they?

People are very passionate. I've got another thing to ask you. Go on. Did you enjoy Mighty Hoopla? It looked so, I'm desperate to go. Honest, it was brilliant. You've got to go. What's my life.

It's so fun. It's just a wonderful, massive, big LGBTQ festival. It's like pride in a festival. It just looks amazing. And I went on a sonya. They asked me to go on a sonya. And I actually got, my niece, who's on the problem mate, she got me on eBay a peach bridesmaid dress.

And I took my trumpet and I was on stage. And the gays went mad. I died. Well, do you know Huntsnet? Yeah, do you know Gareth from Hunsnet? Yeah, lovely Gareth. He used to be my boss at Pondens. Yep.

And then I worked in Rhodes with him for two years And he's just living his dream And it's so good to see I know it's class It's such a nice guy But yeah that's amazing Right okay But we're going to do these

Yeah I was going to ask about the What didn't you want into the documentary? Yeah we have we have That's just great I love that Other people The PR people come in The doc's been a success

It's been amazing People can relate to it There's eight episodes Half an hour It's on daytime But you can catch it on our player Yeah caring together.

I'm caring together and it's just very real. It's not sexy. It's not glamorous, but I'm back to college. But you've got your health and social care. You've went and done it. Got a distinction. What? I don't believe it.

Good for you. That's amazing. Crammed in the work as well. See? And that's proper. That's not tellied. No, no. I worked hard.

I did two assignments, did an exam. Yeah, no, I was really proud because like I said, not being at school for so long. You didn't. It was bloody daunting going back into a classroom. That's amazing. With all the kids, like 16. 17, 18 year olds.

Oh my God, did you look like, um, did it look like elf? Be careful, Chris. Is that when you wish she's got your board dogs? I meant, did you look like Buddy the elf in elf. Just massive on a toilet. On a tiny chair, I actually did. No, you should be really proud of yourself. Careful, Chris.

I just snapped to me a couple of times. Yeah, I'm living on the edge. She's working in this business. I'm getting adrenaline. I'm getting adrenaline. I'm getting adrenaline. I'm getting her. No, they're all full of testosterone.

I'm very easy to get on with. Carmen with a full head of hair. Yeah, I need to stop talking about full heads of hair, don't it? Yeah, people get very triggered. I'm very lucky. Very, very, very lucky. That's the only thing they've got to fucking worry about men. A bit of hair on their head.

Didn't want to say. Jesus Christ. Mine, though, it must be, it must be sad when your hair falls. I could imagine it being quite triggering. I can imagine it sad. Two things. I never take the piss out of. Two things.

Hair fever suffer for us. Bald blokes. Please don't talk to me about high favour. There we go, see? I will never have a goat. anyone feed them things, because you can get, you can just get here

for one year, which is just awful. Do you know how many Xephedine? I take a day. How many? Four. Oh, God.

Really bad. Non-gazia, I assume. Well, thank God. It's like that. Nice to be here. Bless you, though.

That's intense, isn't it? You're right. Two things I never take the piss out of can happen in any point to anyone. Terrifying. No, it is terrifying. I'm just saying that we go through more.

Absolutely. Not a competition, or is it? So... No, it's just factual. Yeah. Not a competition, is it? Look at me, Sean,

simply, these disgustin men. Oh, here it is. I'm just doing it to wind him out. Here it is. I love men. I love women. I'm not a man hater. If I'll wake up ball tomorrow, it's her fault.

I'm not a man hater. They get on my nerves, but I don't. I can't be now. I've got two sons. Well, there you go. I've had to really change my whole view on a men, you know. Now that I've got two sons, I'm like, oh God, I have to really actually sort of like understand them.

Yeah. But you're in a beautiful position where you can raise two brilliant men in and release them out into the, the world who are caring and kind and understanding of the plight of women. Yeah. Oh God, God, I. Like, no, well, yeah, they've got no choice. Literally, the Robin.

Robin asked me, oh my God. He didn't say it right, but he asked me if I was penny menopausal. Brilliant. I love it when they get, I love it when they get words on to you. I went, where have you heard about that? Where'd he seen it? Was it on the Simpsons? He's seen it on something, yeah, yeah.

It was on something? He called us helicopter. Our parents did they the day. Oh no, he's a... Honestly. He's got some sass on him that kid. Yeah, anyway. Are you penny-bearer?

He wanted to go jet skiing on holiday. Yeah. Kept wanting to go jet skiing. Yeah. Asking us all the time. I went, you don't... First day, jet ski. Like, we just got there.

I'm like, you don't get off the plane and get on the jet ski. That's how you do a holiday, pal. He paced yourself. Remember, can remember what he said? We were sitting around, you were like, it was two o'clock or whatever, three o'clock. You were like, you'll have a little afternoon drink.

I was like, we'll have a afternoon drink. I was like, do you want a G&T? You went, yeah, I'll have a G&T. And he went, and he went, how about we'll go and do a bit of G&S? Jetsky. Prick. We had to just laugh. We were like, you know what?

He's nailed that. How about we'll do a bit of G&S? I thought you were going to say to turn around and I said, listen, you've got to pace yourself for those drinks. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He loves having to go. Loves up to go.

When you got a drink in your hand. Can't go on the jet. No, I think you said, Daddy can't go on the Jets. That's a year. We'll date tomorrow then. Right. Babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, ba. Babadu, babadu, ba.

Listen, let's do this. Right, here we go. Dear Chris and Rosie, please keep me anonymous. Always. A few years ago, my husband and I went to a neighbour's yard sale. We picked up a large tent and a pop-up shade canopy. Both were packed in canvas bags, so we took them home, and we decided to put them together to make.

make sure all the pieces were there. Second-hand tents upset me, something rotten. I don't know why you'd do it. We put the tent up back in the yard. Everything was great. Out of space in the back, we started to assemble the shade canopy in the front. We quickly ran into difficulty. It just didn't seem to fit together in the way we thought it should.

In the bag was the web address of the manufacturer. Only when we went to the website for assembly instructions, did we realise what we were actually putting together in our front. yard was some kind of sex bondage cage. Oh my God. They put the other one in the back. Yeah. Front street.

Number 40 and I put the sex dungeon up again. After a quick laugh, we scrambled to get the structure down, back into the bag and into the garage. Luckily, the neighbours who had the yard sale were moving, so we never had to see them again. The bondage apparatus stayed in the bag in our garage until I became too haunted by the possibility that we might die and a loved one would find it while going for our things. We agreed we were both too mortified to try to sell it so we got rid of it

piece by piece in the recycling and trash. That's the great escape this. The great escape that you know when they're shaking the way. Yeah, well, they're shaking them out of the vans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. shipping away. That is brilliant. I'm imagining just like a little, so it's like a box isn't it? Can I just say the idea that there is a market out there catering for people who don't have the spare room space to make an actual sex dungeon so you're going to actually just make a pop-up one is so sad but so sweet in a way.

But where are you putting that if you've bought one of those? What are you doing without popping it up in the push down? Well, no, the office, you'll just, we'll move your desk to the corner. We'll push the chair over there. We'll put the thing and then we'll put the thing and then we'll take that back down because you've got to work. You've got to zoom on Monday morning. That's one thing from doing this podcast.

We have learned that people have very different lives. Like everybody lives, we're very vanilla. We are hugely vanilla. We've learned some stuff. Yeah. But it's fine. It's their own. Each to the wrong, yeah.

Yeah, if they're not hurting anyone. I just love the happy ending of that story. They moved so they never had to say them again. And then they got rid of it. It's just perfect. But front lawn. Front lawn. The only sort of saving grace is if they didn't realize what it was,

but then again, it might be one of the things where, while you're busy doing it, you didn't realize. But from a distance, it might be, you know, So you've got to step back to see what I don't know if I would even know. Do you know what I mean? I don't know if I would realise. You would not. Well, it wasn't until they went on the website, was it?

But what's the difference between kind of a cage? Well, I suppose it's a cage, not a 10. It's a cage, isn't it? But I don't know. I like the idea. Or it could be a large dog pen or it could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the back side of it that they weren't looking at had some explicit

either words or picture on it and they never went around that end. Yeah. I'd have to finish putting it together and see what it looked like. I'd have to have a shot on it. I'd feel like you'd have to put it. Yeah, you'd have to pop a second hand, so to speak. Pop up, very good, great, you'd have to pop it up. Great work. Absolutely great work.

Unbelievable. There are. We've done now. That's it. I could sit and talk, didn't it? This was what I was like, do you remember when I came back from Swanby? Yeah, we didn't stop talking. Yeah, and I was like, I could have just sat and told off.

Yeah. Yeah. You're the same person, it's terrifying. We'd be nattering. We've got, oh, what we're doing now? Yeah. I didn't stop talking. Yeah.

Yeah. But thank you so much. Thank you for having me. It's been lovely to see you both. Oh, and you. You're looking so well. That, you, thanks. Hope you have a lovely summer.

You too. You too, enjoy the summer. Yeah. Are you going anywhere nice? Yeah, Montenegro. What? Oh, I know. It's wild.

Where's Montenegro? My niece Elia said, Natalie, just book something different. Yeah. I go to Cornwall every year. We love Cornwall. Well, beautiful. Beautiful.

Beautiful. I love it. She said, just, it's meant to be really nice. Just book it. And I did. Just went on Airbnb, did it? I was just taught, this is all we had. because I was just talking this morning

about we need to get a bit more adventurous with holidays. Have a look at Montenegro. Okay, I will. Looks ever so nice. Do you know where? Yeah, it's very close to Croatia. Okay. It's all of that area.

Right, okay, okay. Well, Cup starts next week. Yeah. I like the World Cup. I do. I love it too. I love it too. I've got all the sticker books.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I've got all the sticker. I know. Sad. Got to have hobbies. Got a hobbies. I just say as well, I've read in your notes.

Obviously, it's one of these conversations where we didn't have any, we didn't have to read any of your notes just like we didn't have to use any notes because of bad a lovely chat but you did it said it said in your notes that you consider yourself an old soul and I would 100% agree with that now

because no one has ever come off this podcast at the end and gone hope we have a lovely summer I hope we have a lovely summer thanks for having us you both look well hope you had a lovely summer I know I'm not an old person

I feel like you're about it offer as a fucking worth as original it's been a pleasure thank you thank you thank you thank you

that is so much Do do, do.