Short Wave - Killer Proteins: The Science Of Prions
Episode Date: November 17, 2022Prions are biological anomalies – self-replicating, not-alive little particles that can misfold into an unstoppable juggernaut of fatal disease. Prions don't contain genes, and yet they make more of... themselves. That has forced scientists to rethink the "central dogma" of molecular biology: that biological information is always passed on through genes. The journey to discovering, describing, and ultimately understanding how prions work began with a medical mystery in a remote part of New Guinea in the 1950s. The indigenous Fore people were experiencing a horrific epidemic of rapid brain-wasting disease. The illness was claiming otherwise healthy people, often taking their lives within months of diagnosis. Solving the puzzle would help unlock one of the more remarkable discoveries in late-20th-century medicine, and introduce the world to a rare but potent new kind of pathogen. For the first episode in a series of three about prion disease, Short Wave's Gabriel Spitzer shares the science behind these proteins with Emily Kwong, and explains why prions keep him awake at night. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy
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Hey, hey, shortwavers, Emily Kwong here. Joining me today is Senior Editor Gabriel Spitzer. Hi, Gabriel.
Emily, Emily, I'm here to tell you about this kind of mild obsession I have with a protein.
Okay. I'm guessing you're not talking about tofu.
Love tofu, but no, no, I'm going a little more basic than that today. This is like
proteins as the building blocks of biology. So every cell has like 40 million of them. They're
the most ordinary things in the world in some ways. But there's one protein in particular that I
personally find deeply unsettling. What's that? Well, it's called the preon. And
it could cause a bunch of different neurodegenerative diseases.
Okay.
And what is it about preons that gives you the creeps?
Well, for one thing, they're not alive.
Proteins are just this kind of basic building material that's not really supposed to have a mind of its own.
And yet, once they go wrong, they're kind of unstoppable.
Like, when a person's been diagnosed with preon disease, they usually have months, maybe a few years to live.
Okay, I'm getting the picture.
Yeah.
And some of those diseases can incubate in the body for decades and then strike out of
blue, and then outside the body, prions are really, really hard to destroy.
So you're saying the things that reliably destroy bacteria and viruses have a harder time
knocking out prions?
Right, right, exactly, Emily.
Prions, they just, they play by completely different rules than viruses or bacteria.
And trying to understand how they can replicate and cause disease.
It's been a long trip for the preon scientists.
All right.
Well, today we are going to kick off a little series of episodes on preon science.
Today on the show, Part 1, Killer Proteins, How They Work, Where They Come From, and Why They Keep Me Up at Night.
I'm Gabriel Spitzer.
And I'm Emily Kwong, and you're listening to Shortwave, the Daily Science Podcast from NPR.
Okay, Gabriel, so where does this story start?
Well, it starts with a medical mystery in a remote part of New Guinea.
So, you know, this huge island in the Southwest Pacific.
It's home to a whole range of indigenous cultures.
and in the 1950s, Australian colonial officials started to get word that this particular group called the Foray were experiencing a horrible epidemic.
What was the cause?
Nobody really knew. The Foray called it Kuru, which meant to shiver or tremble. It was basically a super fast brain wasting disease.
It affected people who were otherwise young and healthy, which was weird. And it seemed to hit women and children, especially hard, which was also weird.
Wow.
And in this population of like 11,000 people, Kuru was killing about 1% of them every year.
Wow.
Oh, that's really terrible.
Yeah.
It was really devastating.
And then the symptoms of this disease were unlike almost anything that scientists had encountered.
It was like losing the ability to walk and to eat and to speak.
There were tremors.
There was involuntary writhing.
And then the other thing that emerged pretty quickly was that every person diagnosed with Kuru died within usually months.
And no one knew the cause?
Yeah, scientists had a lot of theories.
Like maybe it was genetic, maybe an environmental toxin, but nothing held up for very long.
Blood from the Kuru victims didn't have antibodies or signs of inflammation or any of the things you'd expect to see after an infection.
And then when scientists autopsy the brains of Kuru victims, they found a really unusual pathology.
They were full of holes.
Holes?
Yeah.
In the brain tissue?
Yeah.
Like there were all these clueled.
clumpy little growth that sort of killed pockets of neurons and just left the brain with the
consistency of like a sponge.
Oh, that's so weird.
Yeah.
And so they published those results, and it caught the eye of a veterinary pathologist named
Bill Hadlow at Rocky Mountain Labs in Montana.
I talked with Byron Coe, who's a biochemist at that same lab.
Bill Hadlow said, you know, this pathology looks quite a lot like what we see in sheep that have
Scrapey.
What's Scrapey?
Scrape is a brain disease that causes sheep to like scratch and rub themselves raw.
It was known to be infectious from one animal to another.
And so in lab experiments, scientists tried introducing some Kuru brain tissue into a healthy animal.
And they found that the disease can be transmitted.
All right. And did they ever figure out how the Kourouro itself was spreading?
So later people zeroed in on the four-A practice of funereal cannibalism.
Scientists knew about this practice, but they didn't connect it.
with Kuru. The 480 people would sometimes eat the bodies of loved ones after death as a way to
stay connected to them. And women and children would typically handle the bodies. And it emerged that
that was probably how the disease was spreading. So that solved at least one part of the medical
mystery. Yeah. Well, one smallish part. Then the big mystery, of course, then was, well,
what's the infectious agent that is causing transmission of Kuru between these human
patients and it's great being cheap for that matter.
So the scientists turned their attention to those little clumpy growths that made holes in all the cuckoo brains.
Okay.
So it became clear that these clumps were made of protein.
I talked to this neuroscientist, Carlo Condello at the University of California, San Francisco,
and he said, among other oddities, these little clumps were almost impossible to destroy.
You know, you can blast it with heat.
You can blast it with acids and bases, all things that would typically totally, totally,
destroy any virus in a flash that these proteins resist. So these clumps of proteins in the brains
of cuckoo victims and the brains of scrapy sheep, they're like indestructible proteins.
Yeah, almost, almost. And unlike viruses or bacteria, proteins don't have any genetic material.
So they cannot replicate on their own. Yeah, right, right, right. Remind me, where do proteins even come
from? Yeah, okay. So a little bio lesson here. In our sense,
cells we have DNA, which are like blueprints of the body.
That information gets translated into RNA, which looks like a little single strand of the double helix DNA.
And that RNA brings the instructions to a tiny cellular machine called a ribosone, which sort of 3D prints the protein.
Yes, nitcrowe bio is coming back to me here.
DNA to RNA to proteins.
Yeah, this is so important to understanding life that it is literally called the central dogma of molecular biology.
Okay, wow.
a protein basically starts out as a chain of amino acids.
And you can think of it kind of like a little string of beads where each amino acid bead has
its own unique shape, its own electrical charge.
And that leads to this crucial thing happening when the string of beads folds together
in a precise way.
And so you end up with this elegant molecule designed to do something really, really specific.
This is neuroscientist Vinita Chatur, who's also at UCSF.
So for a protein to reach its correct destination where it can perform its native function, it needs to be recognized.
And that all depends on how it folds.
Yeah.
So the folding is really important.
And guess what happens when a protein folds wrong?
I don't want to know.
I'm guessing that can be a bad thing.
It can be a super bad thing.
And I think that's the technical term for it.
And in the late 70s and early 80s, a science.
scientist named Stanley Prusner hypothesized that in diseases like Kuru, maybe there's no
infectious organism in the process at all. Like maybe it's only the proteins. And that the
problem here is that the proteins are literally getting bent out of shape. So Prusiner coined
this term preon for an infectious protein. So it was the proteins all along, wild. I still don't
understand the infectious part, though, because how can a protein reproduce without any genes?
How can it spread on its own? Yeah, it's a really good question. What seems to be happening is that
a misfolded prion protein bumps into its neighbor, healthy prion protein, and makes it misfold
two. Here's how Carlo Condello describes it. In a way, it acts like a scaffold or a template for how
these naive proteins, which otherwise would normally potentially fold correctly. But if they run into one
of these bad guys, it'll take on or adopt that confirmation. And so the process continues
over and over. How rude. It sounds almost like a crystal or something where you have a little
seed and everything that sticks to it takes the seeds shape. Yes, that's pretty much right. It's like a
really similar process. And it works essentially just by the laws of physics and chemistry. But in
biology, Vanita Chatur says this was completely radical. The whole thing with Priyon was that it
challenge the central dogma of biology. And it took a long time for people in the biology
feel to accept that the protein without a mind of its own without any nucleic acid or code in
itself was able to reproduce. Totally. That must have been such a shocking discovery at the time.
It was Nobel-worthy. I've won the Nobel Prize for it. And that reproducing that she's talking about
creates these long fibers made of one prion protein stacked on another. So it's like a,
chain reaction that burns like a long, slow fuse, killing neurons and making holes in
your brain. And Emily, this could take years. There were still foray people dying from
Kuru decades after being exposed, like way after funereal cannibalism disappeared.
Interesting. Okay. What is the state of preon diseases now? What do we know?
Yeah, well, Kuru is basically a thing of the past, but Pryon's cause a few other human and animal diseases.
One that people might know is bovine spongiform encephalopathy, which is better known as Mad Cow Disease.
Oh, okay.
BSE infected millions of cows in the 1990s and even jumped the species barrier.
About 230 people died from Pryon disease from eating contaminated beef.
Yeah, I remember this. That was a really scary time.
It was quite a pretty, it kind of turned the world upside down for a while.
So there's that, there's, there's, there's Kreuzfeld-Yacob disease or CJD, which is like a super
rapid fatal fatal, fatal, familial insomnia, which in some families leads to people losing
the ability to sleep until they literally die from it. And then I mentioned earlier that,
you know, Kuru didn't seem to be genetic, but it turns out that other preon diseases can be
inherited. So even though they're rare, they can be infectious or inherited or sporadic, meaning the
disease just comes on spontaneously.
What a bouquet of nightmares.
I feel like this is one of those things you just can't unknow, that there are these
little not alive infectious particles that misfold into an unstoppable juggernaut
of fatal disease.
I can see why Priyons freak you out.
It carries such a mechanistic kind of Terminator type vibe that I just find, I don't
know, existentially terrifying.
Sure.
But yeah, actual scientists like Vanita Chitouer, have a little bit of a little bit of
of a different take. The fact that it's all based on biochemistry. There's no internal notion of
it wanting to propagate and make more copies of itself so it can flourish. It's just pure biochemistry.
I just find it so fascinating. Pure biochemistry. Well, given your terror slash fascination with this topic,
Gabriel, I hear you're coming back to tell us more about it. Yes. In coming episodes,
we're going to meet this couple whose lives were turned upside down by Priyond.
disease, and they decided to do something about it. I am looking forward to this story. Gabriel,
thank you so much for coming on the show. You are so welcome, Emily, and quick reminder, too,
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