Short Wave - Trump Administration Lifts Protections For Largest National Forest In US

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

The Trump administration has officially eliminated federal protections for Alaska's Tongass National Forest, the largest intact temperate rainforest in the world. With the rollback of the Roadless Rul...e, nine million previously-protected acres are now open further to potential development. What does that mean for trees that have been storing carbon for centuries?For more on this story, check out the episode page. You can email the show at shortwave@npr.org. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. Maddie Safai here with our very own shortwave reporter, Emily Kwong. Hey, you. Hey, Maddie. So remember this time last year, I took you and our listeners to the Tongass National Forest. Yes, the largest intact temperate rainforest in the world in southeast Alaska. You taught me that. Your former home.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Well done. Yes, I worked at a member station there. And for years, I just ran around. in rubber rain boots beneath skies of bald eagles and ravens, hoping to spot a whale, hoping not to run into a bear. Just like D.C., just like D.C. But the best part of the Tongass, Maddie, are the trees. Big, dense forests that have earned this part of Alaska a lot of attention.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Right. And last time we talked about how this forest is the focal point of a decades-long debate. about logging access and road construction there. And today we have an update on the story. That's right. So the Trump administration, specifically the Forest Service under the U.S. Department of Agriculture, has officially decided to make the Tongass exempt from a public lands rule that's been in place on and off since 2001 called the Roadbus rule. And this rule limits road building and industrial activity in this rainforest.
Starting point is 00:01:29 And this could have implications far beyond a lot. right? Absolutely. Yeah, the trees of the Tongass have been storing carbon for centuries. But with the removal of the roadless rule, 9 million acres previously protected could be open to potential development. On today's show, we're going to revisit that episode from last year about the trees of the Tongass. And then hear the latest from a reporter on the ground about where this rule change and the future of the Tongass stands under a Biden presidency. You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. Okay, so we're talking about the Tongass National Forest. Where do you want to start? I want to start with Anthony Christensen.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Okay. People call him Tony. He was born in Heideburg, Alaska on Prince of Wales Island. The population there is just shy of 400. A little baby town. That's true. Tony is the mayor. He knows the Tongass well because he lives in it.
Starting point is 00:02:31 A lot of the mountains we have here on Prince of Wales. The Tongass is massive. Nearly 17 million acres. And walking through it, Maddie, it's like, like being in a fantasy novel, I must say. If you can imagine you have hemlock and red cedar, yellow cedar, spruce trees, some of them are enormous skyscrapers, widest cars. We're not talking exactly about trees you can hug. You don't know how long my arms are. We're talking about old-growth forest. Some of the most ancient trees in America, 400, 500, even 800-plus years old. And it's here that Tony and his family have hunted and fished for generations.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Tony is a member of the Haida tribe, and the Tongass is their indigenous land. And I have to imagine it has like a pretty big role in the economy, too. Absolutely. You know, he grew up on the deck of a fishing boat. The Tongass is a huge spawning site for wild salmon on the West Coast. And as a teenager in the 1990s, Tony found work through the logging industry. His family operated a tugboat that helped load massive trees onto ships for export to China, Japan, and other places. How big were these logs that you were pulling on to the tugboat? Some of the timber is, you know, five, six feet.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Wow. That's massive. Yeah, there are massive trees when you're logging old grows. This is peak timber. Prince of Wales was dotted with logging camps in this time. So just a lot of companies, you know, money was flowing. It was timber, a lot of timber and making money at it. This happened in Sitka, too, where I used to live.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Trees have long been economically important to the region. But they're critical for something else, too. Sucking carbon out of the atmosphere. Do you know about the carbon cycle? I've heard of her. It's that cycle where trees draw carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and lock it away for centuries stored in their leaves and stems, branches and roots.
Starting point is 00:05:02 And that natural process of carbon sequestration and trees, it's really critical when we think about, you know, how much excess carbon is in the atmosphere. So from a global warming perspective, this is pretty important. Exactly. We need those rainforests to survive. That's Dominic Delosala, chief scientist for the Geos Institute in Oregon. And the trees will do fine without us, but they're pulling that carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and acting as the planet's lungs.
Starting point is 00:05:29 So you can imagine why Dominic was pretty distraught when news broke that the U.S. Forest Service wants to exempt Alaska from something called the roadless rule. Talk me through that a little bit more, Kwong. Well, the roadless rule has been kicking around since the Clinton administration. It bans road building and logging on designated areas. But the Forest Service, at the request of Alaskan leadership, like Senator Lisa Murkowski. So you know I always have to talk about the Tongass when we're talking about our U.S. Natch, our forests. She and other lawmakers have been pushing for a change to the roadless rule for years.
Starting point is 00:06:05 But about 93% of its lands are off limits to most development, which certainly does not benefit the 32 island. communities that are located there. It's really hard to have an economy when everything is off limits to you. More access is needed in the time. Okay, so this is obviously a very complicated situation, but from a strictly environmental perspective, is that bad? Well, it's troubling, right? If you consider that the Tongass contains an estimated 8% of carbon in America's forests, cutting that down would undoubtedly release carbon into the atmosphere. And how is that? Well, one way He measures what's lost is through something called the leaky bucket metaphor.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Okay, go on. Picture the forest as a big bucket of water with holes in it. Done. As long as water is falling into the bucket at the same rate as it's leaking out, there's no net loss of that water, right? Same with carbon. So as long as the forest can capture the same amount of carbon as is being lost through tree death and decomposition, even longing, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:07:11 But if you cut down that forest, all of a sudden you have, really big holes in the bucket. And so even though the forest is growing back, you've punched so many holes in that bucket. You've lost most of the carbon in the original forest bucket, and those holes are so big from the logging, you never really capture the amount of carbon that was in the original forest bucket.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Now, I should say, the timber industry in Southeast Alaska is a shadow of what it used to be in the late 20th century. And relaxing the roadless rule will likely create jobs. But it would also do the kinds of things to the environment that Tony fears. Alaskans are already struggling with climate change. The state is heating up twice as fast as the global average. I mean, this feels like a lot of the climate reporting we do, right?
Starting point is 00:07:58 It's not straightforward. There are people that need jobs. The economy, you know, obviously needs to prosper in those areas. But it's, you know, at the cost of the environment, which they also depend on. So, Maddie, it's been a full year since that episode. and a final decision by the Trump administration has been made, but not without members of the public weighing in. When you vlog that forest, it's going to be like cutting my arm off
Starting point is 00:08:30 because this place is a part of me. And it's in my DNA, living here for hundreds of years, is just part of me in every Alaska native here. That's Shania Murphy at a hearing in Ketchikan, Alaska, in the heart of the Tongass. 11 Alaskan native tribes signed a joint letter saying they wanted greater say in how the forest was managed. And the Forest Service, in response to its effort to get rid of the roadless rule, received thousands of unique comments from all over the U.S., including Alaska. And the majority, 96% voice supports to keep the rule in place. 96% is a lot.
Starting point is 00:09:14 It's a lot. But Eric Jordan, a fisherman in Sitka, kind of called. the final outcome a year ago. This process is a sham. He said the public input likely wouldn't amount to much. Not your words, not your testimony, but the fact that this administration in Washington, D.C. and Juneau, Alaska are going to ignore your comments. And you should be outraged.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Someone who's been following this issue really closely is Eric Stone. So he's a reporter at KRBD and K. Chican. And basically, he says, the reason this is happening is because the people who want to keep the roadless rule in place and the people who hold most of the power in Alaska are two different sets of people. Both an independent governor and a Republican governor have asked the Forest Service to roll back these protections because they see them as forestalling development here in Southeast Alaska for Southeast Alaskans. What kind of development are we actually talking about here, Kwong? We're talking about logging for sure. But all kinds of. kinds of development. Like it might be easier for mining and renewable energy projects to get off the ground too. We have a lot of rain and steep slopes here. So hydroelectric is a big thing here.
Starting point is 00:10:29 In addition to things like, you know, roads, right? Roads to connect those 32 island communities. Telecommunications projects could be big, high-speed internet. But it would all go down in America's biggest carbon sink. And that's concerning not only for Alaska's environment, but for the world. So what happens now when President-elect Biden comes into office? Yeah. So it would likely take an act of Congress to reverse this action if there was the will for that and reinstate the roadless rule in some way. The Biden administration could go through the federal rulemaking process all over again. Like kind of going back to the drawing board on it. Right. Or if the Democrats take control of the Senate, there would be enough votes to set into motion the Congressional Review Act.
Starting point is 00:11:14 It's a law that gives Congress the power to instantly overturned. rules by federal agencies. A researcher with the Congressional Research Service says that it would basically be like the rule had never taken effect. So while it's theoretically possible, Eric has some doubts that congressional action would happen because, again, Alaskan leadership has long wanted this for decades. I don't really see the decision to roll it back being reversed. So I'm interested to see how this impacts future development in Alaska, whether we will see, you know, higher harvest levels, whether we will see additional development that we wouldn't have otherwise seen.
Starting point is 00:11:53 And look, developing in the Tongass still comes with red tape. There's permits, environmental impact studies. There's limitations, actually, on how much timber can be harvested. So there wouldn't be an explosion in logging. Got it. But you can think of the roadless rule as the biggest piece of red tape, now cut. And we don't entirely know how the forest could be transformed by this change. All right, Emily Kwong, thank you for bringing us this update.
Starting point is 00:12:24 You're welcome, Maddie. Today's episode was produced by Rebecca Ramirez, edited by Viet Le, and fact-checked by Ariel Elizabeth. Alex Rewenskis was the audio engineer. Special thanks to KRBD's Eric Stone for his reporting on this episode. I'm Maddie Safia. Thanks for listening to Shortwave from NPR. Since the 1980s, hip-hop and America's prisons have grown side by side. And we're going to investigate this connection
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