Should I Delete That? - 2023 Round Up!

Episode Date: January 1, 2024

Happy New Year! As per annual tradition, Em and Alex present to you a round up of the year, featuring chats about Gwyneth Paltrow's court case, the missing submersible, Blue Ivy's dancing, Russell Brand's expose and much much more...Follow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to Shoulda Deve That. I'm Alex Light. I'm M Clarkson and Happy New Year. Oh my God, first of Jan. New Year's Day. Shit. I know. Well, big shit for you. Big shit for me. Big shit. Big baby.

Big, big, big change. Big, big. I'm about to have a baby. Imminently. Imminently. Fuck. 2024. What a year.

Well, happy Christmas. Happy January. Happy baby month. Yeah, happy everything. At what point do we stop saying happy New Year? Every year I wonder this, you know I think you just say it until you've seen everybody Oh, so you haven't seen

You haven't seen someone until like September And you're like, hey, happy New Year They'll be like, what the fuck? Well, I kind of imagine it's like you do it all Like New Year's Day, it's like, Happy New Year, Happy New Year And then if you see anybody on the second or the third That you know, you do the Happy New Year And then when you go back to work

On the 4th or whatever it is, that's when it's like Yeah You say to everybody at work and then that's really that And perhaps the client the following week if they come in And you're like Oh happy Christmas Happy New Year how was everything Oh being British is weird

I do it I see I think I probably do it to like mid-Feb Every time I get one Every yeah I don't know Every email I write I'm like Happy New Year Are you writing emails too Probably not anymore

To be fair Back in the day When I was big and important Back in the day When I had people to correspond with That's why they don't want you sending emails anymore They're like, oh God, it's that fucking lunatic It's March, let it go

We're celebrating Easter This is our roundup, our annual roundup episode And we have a stunning document From Daisy Oh, Daisy's pulled us through this year I think she's so sick of listening to our waffle And editing out all that shit She's like, no, getting them on the tracks this year

I think the past two years have been like four hours for each one. She's like, not again. I'm not doing it again. So she's pulled together this document with bits on each month to keep us on track. And it's such a nice document. I want to share it. It's so nice. I know.

And this is the last episode that Alex and I are recording together before you disappear off. Shit. To have your baby. So, as we did last year, the... Should I delete that ship? We'll keep sailing. Daisy and I will handle the fort, hold the fort while Al's off.

And much like we did last year, we will have special guests for the good, bad and awkward stuff. But we have batch recorded so many interviews so Al can take as much time as she needs with her new family. And yeah, we'll be waiting for you when you're ready to come back.

But in the meantime, Daisy and I, we've got it covered. You can't have worry. So many good interviews as well. I'll be like itching to talk about them. I know. But we all know you absolutely won't be listening to them. Because if there's one thing you hate, it's the sound of your own voice. Exactly. Before we get into a roundup of the year, we just want to actually say thank you for another spectacular year. We just love our job so much, don't we? So much. And again,

I feel like we say this, like we said this last year as well, but like this still feels like such a nice safe space, doesn't it? It feels like, it feels. It feels like, Like everyone's on our wavelength and it's just, I don't know, there's no hostility and it just feels so lovely. I just really cherish this space. Thanks for being the best guys. We love you. And sorry for the lots of the preamble, but we do have news coming.

We're allowed to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The minute that baby's out and she's back on her feet, we're off. Yes. We're off. We're off. And we're off. Live tour.

Different. cities. That's the point of a live tour, Al. Live tour. All in the same city. Same venue. Actually, it's pre-recorded. Okay, you've got a point. Okay, you've got a point. Right, let's get back into it. Let's go. Rewind to this time last year. Okay, insert rewind sound. I was eight months pregnant. So was my best friend, Molly May. No, nine months pregnant.

nine months pregnant. So was my best friend Molly May. Very quickly. Who gave birth first? You or Molly May? It's not race, Al. It's not a race. I'm just intrigued.

She gave birth first. She gave birth, I think, on the... I want to say the 24th of Jan, but I'm being a fucking... Let me check, let me check. If my best friend, I should remember... I'm embarrassed for you. So I remember when I was in labour,

I was talking Oh, I just typed in January I was talking about how she'd called her baby Bambi So it must have been fresh in my mind Okay, it was the 23rd Like, you're embarrassing me close It's my best friend Like obviously what did she expect me

To forget the day that Bambi was born I don't think so I love Bambi the name I thought you meant the baby I was like, okay now he's weird I love Bambi But I think it's because of the call Betty Bambi but I love Bambi.

Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah, I really like it. I've actually, I've been very interested by, like, her journey into motherhood. She's been so honest about, like, what a struggle that's been, and, like, I know, like, we've jokes about her being, like, my very best friend and stuff, but, um, I don't know, I just, I keep seeing videos of her, like, I don't actually watch her YouTube, but then I see these clips on TikTok, and it's so nice to hear her just being honest about, like, she just says, like, oh, it's harder than what I thought, and I'm going to leave a gap between having another one,

and like I love it and I love this stage but I didn't love this stage and it's just like it's so nice for like young what I need people I guess to hear somebody who's so aspirational in there in the content they produce just being really honest yeah she's good like that isn't she

she's always on her YouTube channel because I feel like her Instagram is very very aesthetics beautiful so beautiful I don't know how she does it and then she's always being quite raw and vulnerable I guess on her YouTube I don't really I have seen a few clips actually where she's spoken about it.

I think it's really refreshing. No, she is, she is good at that. She does cop a lot of shit. She does. She does. Also, you had your 10-year anniversary. I know. Ten years.

That's crazy, as Alex thought. I love that massive exaggeration. That made me laugh. He's so prone to a hyperbole as R.L. He loves, he rounds up. It's like optimism like on. acid like he rounds up like mad we have been together for 42 years I love that Dave's the opposite he'll round down I've got to sum for them up that that was a lovely weekend

I was I mean so pregnant and I threw up and it's so funny you do totally admit the like bad shit of pregnancy you were saying before we started recording that you're like I don't like this bit I don't know this you will forget all of it like I remember I've got a photo of me throwing up in one of booers poo bags on the prom in Brighton because I was so ill don't remember that at all I remember a lovely weekend with like my my baby bump and my husband like I just remember it was like oh heaven peace before the baby came when actually I was like vomiting down the street yeah you just forget all the bad stuff it's it's science you do forget the the bad like also humans are like that as well which

is good and bad, but I find that, like, the night times for me are really bad, and then at the moment, and then the mornings, I kind of forget, like, oh, it's actually being pregnant isn't that bad? And then it gets to, like, four o'clock, I'm like, oh, fuck, being pregnant is so hard. And then the next morning, I'm like, it's fine, and I know what I'm complaining about. Yeah, it's a roller coaster. Okay, so let's go back to it. Love Island did announce their incredibly, in dating's words, incredibly body diverse lineup. Included with her words as a picture of this incredibly body diverse lineup. I'm literally staring.

And as we all know, I know, there is no diversity. Are you still watching? Are people still watching it? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just, I feel like they haven't moved with the times.

No. How do you move it? Where would you move it to? Well, I do think body diversity would be huge. Oh, I see. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But that's such, we've talked about this before.

That's such a risk. if you have one, like, you can't, you need the playing field. I wrote this once years and years ago and I stand by it, which is unusual because normally when I write something, I completely change my mind within the year. But you need the playing field so even that you can't, you know, you need their looks to be so interchangeable and all so perfect that not one of them is going to stick out because they'll just get. That's the thing.

I think the only way to do it would be to. have a genuine cross-section of society as the line-up. Even then, fat women will have a harder time than fat men. And whatever happens, any woman, with any... I mean, not to say that men don't have issues, but, like, it would just be brutal. I can't remember if he's the head of Love Island

or the head of ITV, but he did release a statement that basically said, like, we want beautiful people. Like, that's the premise of the show. That's the point of the show. so I mean at least you're being honest with us again they're not making relatable content they never tried

I remember Pandora Sykes podcast The Hilo No she did it with Oh god It was all about reality TV Oh my god that was good Unreal? Yeah unreal

A critical history of reality TV And on that She had an ITV representative on that And they said that there's an element of self-selection as well like women in bigger bodies like you know not applying for fear of being

relentlessly trolled you know and I don't know if I felt this year like trolling's been necessarily the case so massive I just feel that we have reached the most extraordinary level like yeah I don't know I'm just I'm so disheartened by every single comment section on every single viral video we see now

do you know one that really sticks out for me is Liam Payne fucking hell yeah it's been actually brutal what's happened to him and like we can't diagnose his mental health we don't know his mental health but as a complete outsider looking on you might venture to say that it's perhaps not great and yet he has been ridiculed like beyond belief and then and I think we've touched on this before but it's like he I think he's been quite open about it but he has clearly got issues with substance abuse and if he hasn't been open about that then I'm going to speculate that perhaps maybe he has issues with substance abuse this is all alleged yeah and don't so we're on your side um and yeah so people were so horrific and then now when photos of emerging of him

not looking well it's like oh poor leit like what happened to like oh bless it like oh someone needs to go and give marg it's like you fuckers you happen to Liam this is this is this is this is like potentially a direct result of being like humiliated globally. Humiliation is such a good word for it. Like that's it. We are so keen for like the joke. Like the little quip bit and they're like yeah. The meme. Yeah the meme and the one liner and oh it could never be me and the little like all those little comments that make us feel funny. And it's like we it's literally like you know when you watch

Betty like I don't know if she does the same as what Bua does but she gets a little toy and she just thrashes her head around with this toy and then cuddles up with it on the sofa a bit later it's like that is what we are doing with people on the internet yes yes and I think that was that was like a perfect demonstration of that with Liam pain like we are yeah it's abuse yeah you're right it's so bad and and I can't bear this like well if you don't like it don't be like this just does not work in this day and age no on this scale

Celebrity is not... And it's pack mentality, isn't it? Yeah, and it's not... We deep humanise people and we take away, like, because we're all in it together, the compassion is removed. And I think we still treat celebrity,

you know, like, sometimes if you watch, like, films, you'll look at, like, what's that film, like, what happens in Hollywood or once upon a time in Hollywood or whatever, and like you look at, like, the Marilyn documentary, any of that stuff. And if you look at, like, old school celebrity, you had to work really hard to become a celebrity.

Like you would give up your life and you would move to Los Angeles or you would, you know, like a hustle and hustle and hustle and hustle and years for years for fame. And so I think people felt like, well, if you're going to do that, then like you know what you're getting into because you're working for it. Whereas now it's so easy to be famous and such young people are finding fame. And it's like let them regret it. Like it's the same thing with Molly May. like we're so mean that it's like she came to this at 20 and you can't undo it you can't undo

the fame that you find at a young age and nor should you have to but I don't know we just treat it so black and white and it's fucking terrifying particularly now like anyone can go like I get so nervous like when I see any viral video of any woman now at this point because it's just like well you're going to be getting it and you're fagging. now. Yeah, yeah, and it's like, and it might even be CCTV footage of you, or it might be something that your mate uploaded for a laugh, or it could be a clip of a reality TV contestant or whatever, you know what I mean? But it's just like, we pounce. It could even be like something that was, yeah, like not done with your consent, like someone coming to you with a

microphone on the street, asking you a question totally out of the blue and you don't do a great answer because you weren't expecting it. And then bam, you're viral. You know how I feel. like the microphones on the street. I know. It's your biggest fear. Nothing fills me with Morrera, and it's for that reason. But it is like, I don't know what, it's a level of, like, meanness. And I don't know how it, maybe it just doesn't level out. Maybe we just have to teach people's kids to be nice,

rather than teach them not to be on the internet in this way. Well, I wonder how it's going with TikTok, because it doesn't seem, nothing seems to be abating. It seems to be getting worse and worse. and people seem to be becoming more anonymous on there as well. Yeah. I mean, I keep finding myself in the middle of, like, drama.

Like, what, apparently there's a TikToker that faked having cancer, I think. I don't know who that is, but I keep seeing videos of everybody talking about her. And it's like, oh my God, well, like, I don't know how I ended up here, but I can see how you do get sucked into the drama. And then it's just like, but these are fights, I don't know, like, these. are fights that could end up with really catastrophic outcomes because yeah I've seen a lot of the like think piece videos about that girl yeah and it's like people know that they've got an opportunity to go viral for putting their two cents in on this situation and it's just yeah

it's mad it's mad this is what's really stressing me out is now I don't know if you found yourself on this side of TikTok but I keep seeing or Instagram like Like very traditional women, women being like who are kind of advocating for the traditional gender roles of like them staying at home. Which is fine. But then the comment section on that always terrifies me because it's like so many men, that's where my woman belongs or whatever. Or if I see like a progressive father or the comments are like, no, I go out and work so my missus sits at home and the kid. And it's just, it feels so, I feel like we weren't talking like that. last year or two years ago

no also they've missed the point well yeah completely yeah yeah but I don't know and like all my I do keep seeing a lot of that actually yeah I keep seeing a lot of that which I think is good I think it's great like well obviously I mean I keep seeing what I mean is I keep seeing a lot of women like embracing like I'm a stay at home

mum like this is what I do yeah it's great it's great these men want their women in the kids I think it's great I'm really lacking that I advocate for that um i agree like i think they do need it's really difficult there needs to be more empowerment for stay-at-home moms and like i've talked to my friend about this because i think i told you well you obviously know but i think i've told listeners one of my really really good friends had a baby just after me and we our journeys have been really similar but also quite different like

literally she's had her two days after but she didn't go back to work as quickly as i did and it's just so funny how we treat ourselves through that journey like it just makes you realize women can't win no matter what you do she's feeling like she should be back at work and her purpose is kind of lost somewhere and I feel like I'm doing too much work and I'm not being a good enough mom and it's just like there needs more space you just can't win for that conversation but we can't be trusted to make nice spaces because we fucked them all up on the internet yeah and then men come in and shit on them and women there's so many fucking pick me women in the comments and they do my head in I'm like not you guys come on

I know, I know. I was in a comment section last night about a C-section. I'm having a C-section. And I was in the comment section of, oh God, this post, someone put up being like, oh, C-sections are called the easy way out, but they're not. And just, like, so many women, like, fighting in these comments about who had it harder. Like, well, I had a vaginal birth, and this happened. to me and I took one was like I tore my anus like indefinitely basically no I'm not I'm not

laughing it's really bad but it is mad that we've got to the point where that's the kind of information we give to strangers in comment sections we'd never give it to a stranger on the bus I know I know and then another one was like well I nearly died having my C-section and I was like guys can't me just be like yeah like what this is it just do it ultimately this happens because society doesn't give space, it doesn't give women credit for what we do. It doesn't give women's space for their trauma. It doesn't give women space for this conversation. It doesn't give women space for this pain. So the second we then get, any moment of this conversation arises, we take it so fucking personally because we haven't dealt with our own shit around it and no one validated

our experience. So we feel the need to validate it. And I find that, I found that with motherhood so much. Like, because, yeah, because we do have our own trauma. and no one really takes it seriously. So we kind of go mad on it in the wrong outlets. People do it breastfeeding as well because they're really triggered by, you know, the society has made them feel like a bad mom if they didn't do it. So then they get so defensive before anyone's even attacked them. And it's a whole thing.

Yeah. But, yeah, those sec-out, the C-section, it's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. I know. I was like, I need to get out of 10 minutes in. I was like, I need to get out of this comment. It's going to be fine. This is not good.

I am reading a lot of people. people's trauma here, and I just don't need to right now. You don't need to pick that up. I had an emergency C-section, and I had an incredibly positive birth story. It wasn't like what I thought it would be, but it was fucking great. It was stunning. Got a healthy baby, and I'm fine. Look at me.

Look at me. And the picture of health. Look at you. Do you want to see me do a car wheel? Because I can't do one, but I can try. I thought you were actually about stand up and do one then. Do you want to see you try? I can't do, no, I haven't got the space.

don't hurt yourself. You do not have the space. I want to show you. You know? You really do bounce back, physically speaking. I still look like a sack of a tiners, but I wouldn't worry about that. Right, we need to move on to Feb because Daisy's going to fucking kill us. Yeah, but before we do, what was the last thing that happened in January?

As per the document. Sing it. Sing it. No, I can't sing it because I can't. This song has haunted me. Sing it, sing it. This song has haunted me for nearly 12 months. Miley Cyrus released flowers.

fucking flowers. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. Does not leave the head. I loved it.

I hated it. We're not having that. But like good on her. Bad energy. I good on her. But it just, it was forever there. 4 a.m.

I was like, I can buy myself flowers. Such a good song. I can call on my head. Did she say a whole. hold my own hand, because that's actually labours. I can hold my own old hand, yeah. Cute, but I thought Arlo how to do that.

Anyway, February. Ereve. O'O Rose was born. Bloody hell. That was hard. Just the best. Compto to do it all again. Fucking amazing. Like, honestly. God, I remember being in that,

what's your mum's up a WhatsApp group to give us updates. Yeah. And I remember feeling like so like butterfly-y, like anxious. Not anxious, just like butterflyy. And then like we, yeah, yeah. Excited, yeah.

Shit. Oh, I would do anything to do that day again. Anything. Would you? Anything. Best day of my life. Really? Yeah.

Oh, I'm so excited for you. This is like, and I keep saying it to you. It's fucking unbelievable. Like, what you're about to do, who you're about to meet, just cool this fucking thing. So weird, isn't it? Because it just still feels so abstract to me. I know. And I don't know if that's normal to feel like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I can't, I just, I just cannot place this thing inside me with an actual human being. It just, I don't know, it just feels like a wriggly little animal. I don't know, it's weird. It's weird. It's almost like a year, like we did it a year apart.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, literally, they'll be less than a month. So they'll, yeah, they'll be born within 12 months of each other. Wait. Yeah, 11 months apart. they'll be in the same school year though no no no no mine would be below

yeah I'll be a year older good she can she can pull yours's hair no she can be a little bodyguard she can she can go into all the classrooms first and look after my friend in the year below I'll always have me to deal with I can see her being like that as well cute

it's so nice with Delilah my friend Sof's baby who was born two days after it's like their personalities are so different and Delilah's super like oh she's just gorgeous just, literally, I just love for so much. It's so weird to love someone else's kid, like almost as much as, I love my, like, I love them both so much,

makes me so happy. But I can already see the dynamic of their friendship, but I already know Ollo's the, like, little bruiser who'll go in first. Really? Come on, Delilah, like, because Delilah's a little bit more kind of reserved and just a little bit more shy, I guess.

Not shy, I don't know, she's just a little bit more gentle, I guess. Arles not very gentle. Oh, so, like, it's, oh, just like, Look at those little personality is coming. She's making so excited. I know. She's going to be one soon.

I know. I know. I just love it every day. Honestly, she's just so great. You could have a one-year-old. I know what the fuck. Like, I don't have a baby anymore.

I'm going to have a child. Yeah. What point do they become not bait like toddlers? Is it one? Yeah, well, they start toddling. I mean, she's, she is toddling now. Early Walker, a little overachiever. Can't believe I got an over-achieving baby.

Me? Mrs. Average. So, yeah, I don't know. What else happened? So I was busy and fair, but I was on the sofa. News-wise, there was the huge earthquake in Turkey, which was horrific. And I feel like we've forgotten all about that,

and we haven't really talked about it very much. But that was mad. And I remember, because I don't know, I think I was watching the news a lot on Arlo's born, and there was a woman who, they found a baby. It was her arm, um, bilical cord still attached in the rubble, and I just, like, horrific horrific oh my god that's horrific

I know I know that was horrendous that was probably not something nice to see postpartum no but it's I think no it's not but I think like it really makes you realise how lucky you are and I just I think that's something that I really felt this year is just like it is luck like that our babies are born

pure luck we are just the luckiest people in the world like we just won the lottery every single day Speaking of amazing, Sarah De LaGarde came on the podcast in Feb And she's doing so well So well She's doing so, so, so well She's literally thriving

Her recovery is incredible And it's actually just She is a remarkable woman And we knew that at the time But like almost a year on She's just like, she's just thriving I don't know if you guys follow her Instagram account if you don't follow her you definitely should

it's just very cool to watch somebody recover in such a human way like you know she's not hiding away from the anger that she feels or the frustration or like the various like complexities to recovering and dealing with what happened to her

and I don't know I feel so honoured that we got to speak to her and like that we get to watch her journey I just think she's so cool so cool who's amazing um ozempic was announced in the UK Oh my God, was that in February? Hollywood skinny jab to be sold in the UK.

It feels like it's been around for a lot longer, doesn't it? It feels like it's been around forever. Mind you, I think everyone was talking about, like, the Kardashians being on it before. Yeah, it was like Hollywood's worst kept secret. Yeah, and now it's just, this year it's just been in the UK. Yeah. Do you know anyone on it? Yes, I don't think I've...

My dad's on it. Oh, shit, yeah. I don't know if he's still on it. I know he was. God, I don't know anyone who's actually... Well, I don't know anyone who's actually... Well, I don't know. think I know anyone who's actually taking it or taking it, but possibly...

Oh, actually, I know someone else. I know someone else as well. Oh, really? Yeah, my friend's sister is taking it. Okay. I think she had to stop because she had a baby, but she was taking it. The company, the company who produces Wagovi, I think is Wagovi? Wagoe, yeah. Nordic Nordstrom or something. They've just been, they've just been valued.

And it is absolutely insane. questions for you out about On Zepic. Yeah. So given that this is a safe space, what do you think about it? Oh my God, I think it's so complicated. And I feel like it's important to like acknowledge the nuances of it, which is obviously that some people really do need it. For some people, it can be a lifesaver, obviously.

But I think the problem is that it's falling into the hands, so many hands. of people, into the wrong hands basically, of people who are vulnerable and desperate. And the problem is, is like this thing that you're going to take, yes, it will make you lose weight. Actually, not always, it doesn't always make you lose weight and a lot of people can just get quite sick from it. But yes, you will lose weight. But in order to sustain that weight loss, unless you change how you eat from there on out, which is really difficult when you stop it and your appetite returns to normal. Unless you make those long-term changes, you're either going to put the weight back on or you're going to need to take a Zen pic for the rest of your life in order

to sustain that weight loss. So it's like, it's kind of feels to me like just, it's like another diet, you know? Yeah, it is. It is. I was interesting because I did a post about it the other day about Oprah being on it. And before I uploaded it, you were like, because I always send things I'm scared off to Alex before I post them to see if it's worth the shit I'm going to get and you said that I would get shit whatever I said about it because it's contentious and you're right. I actually

mostly just got shit for how manic I am there are a lot of people in the comments being like I can't watch you, you're so manic I was like thanks what that's so rude? It's so fucking weird but also I was like this is nothing you want to see me do a cartwheel across my living room

I can show you manic Yeah, exactly. Buckle up. Anyway, but yeah, it's, I think it's interesting as well because there is, there's not a lot of grace given to people who want to lose weight. And, like, there's not a lot of, like, safe conversation for that, because it's not considered, in quotations, body positive to want to change your body. So I think people are a bit, like, scared to say it.

And I think it's quite interesting, actually, watching, even in, like, my own friendships, like watching how I speak about my body because we've talked about this before like how I've spoken about my body postpartum I'm quite matter of fact about it like I feel very for the most part I feel quite detached emotionally from how I look

like it's not massively bothering me but on a practical level I will comment on the fact that I haven't put I haven't got back into my old clothes or that I'm still bigger than I was or I'm still however much heavier or whatever and it's really interesting because people now go so we don't need to

you're fine, you look good, and it's like, it's so nice, obviously, that all the people in my life say that and love them and I love that. And everyone says, oh, you look great as well, you don't change anything, you la, la, la, la. I mean, I guess that stifling down at that means that it maybe does push more people underground in terms of looking for options like Ozempic.

And there's no balance, because you don't want to just be talking about diets all the time and you don't want to be around people all the time that say, oh, I'm going to being good and I want to lose the half a stone and blah, all that. So I don't know what we're going to be. answer is but I think I can see how it all happens. I don't know what the answer is either and I do think that there should be like there should be more grace for people who want to lose weight

and I'm acutely aware of that I'm constantly saying diets don't work because they don't diets don't work don't do it don't do it to yourself mentally physically and financially don't do it to yourself but I'm also I'm never offering an alternative for people who who do want to lose weight. And, but the thing is, is that I don't really know the answer to that. Right. Because it is extremely difficult. And weight loss has been like, it's like notoriously difficult.

That's why, you know, if it wasn't so hard, everyone would be thin. Yeah. Because we'd want to, you know, we all want to fit like society standards of beauty. So we'd all be thin. So I do think there is like a space for that. And I do like, I follow a few personal trainers who, give out who talk about weight loss but in what I think is a really like practical and sensible. Who are they? Because I would I think this is yeah but like it's hard because I don't

I don't really want to recommend them because their whole accounts are about weight loss and it's like it's difficult because I do think I do think there's like such a difference between like wanting to lose weight and needing to lose weight but then you can argue like the people to lose weight, like, well, they just have, they have as much right to try to lose weight as people who need to lose weight. It's so complicated. I don't know the answer. No, I don't, either. I really don't. I don't either. But I do know that the, I do know that the only way to actually lose weight is to change how you eat for good. Like, anything, anything that's a quick fix is never going to change, is never going to be sustainable. Or it might be, but it'll kill you,

like, yeah. Piece of advice, if anyone wants to take it, with the noise of diet, of being very loud this January. I used to want to change myself so much, and I bought so much shady shit, like diet pills, anything I could get my hands on. And I was too embarrassed to go and do it via a doctor or via anything official, probably because I'd be told by a doctor

that I was fine and I didn't need it. Yeah. So I'd buy them shadily and illegal. not legally, but, you know, not, not, I don't know, not, I'd, I don't know, I don't know, not illegally, but it wouldn't be great, it would be shady, yeah, and random websites. Yeah, exactly. And not only did they never work, but it made me ill, and they actually made me scared. I always found, like, it very, like, shaming and whatever, and obviously they didn't work. And the only piece I've ever got to with my body is through movement and eating things

to make me feel good. And so those things don't, they just, Anything that you have to do via illicit means or that you're doing out of shame or that you're doing because you're scared is not what you need right now. And if you want to do it through a doctor and you're going to talk to a doctor and they advise that it's a medically good thing for you to do, of course, all power to you. But if you're doing like I used to and just doing it on dodgy websites and going to hide it under your bathroom sink because you're embarrassed and ashamed of it, then it's not for you. And other lifestyles are available. March. March. I wish you well. Gwyneth Paltrow's court case went so viral.

I wish you well. I wish you well. I know she's problematic as hell, but I fucking, she's an icon. She's an iconic moment. What an iconic moment. Honestly, I wish you well. So good. Legend.

What a twat though, seeing her for that. Sorry. What a twat. What a twat. What a twat. Like that's so embarrassing So embarrassing And you can never undo that

And like everyone knows who he is And what he did Like I would I would be so mortified For the rest of my entire life Americans are way too comfortable suing And that is a hill I will die on Yeah

They are They are way too To get back up again There isn't always a claim I'll tell you what else Happened in March your book came out in paperback as a Sunday Times bestseller. How does that feel, Al, when you look at the cover of that book

and it says on the top of it, the Sunday Times bestseller? That is quite cool, actually. Quite. That is really cool. It's so cool. What is so nice now is that I still get messages, like DM's being like, oh my God, I found your book and it's making me think and it's helping me change this. or like, I've gifted it to my mom or like a friend or something.

And it just, it's lovely. It's really nice. It was worth all the hard, the pain and tears. I told you this yesterday, but Alex, I heard Alex on the phone to his mom. And she was so excited because he's been invited on Alex Lights podcast. She was like an ear on the phone just being like, and darling, you got to be. invited on Alex Lydes podcast.

Sorry. And he was like, yeah, we're then. And she was like, yeah, Alex's husband, Dave. I was like, oh my God, Al, you're so famous. You're such a star. My own mother-in-law has eradicated me.

Alex Lites podcast. Should I delete that? It's all mine. So good. Who are you? I don't need you. Quite frankly, I have no idea. It's Sunday Times bestseller

Did he say like It's Em's podcast too mom He did say that yeah I don't really know what happened after that I was just why I was texting you But I'm so proud of you Sunday times bestseller Thank you

That was exciting It's a coolest thing ever It's so cool Also in March She came back to work With a pod recorder at home God I remember that's so vividly That's crazy

She was so tiny She was so tiny So tiny And Daisy had knitted her a little hat Yeah Not actually, a little being the operative word. It's quite a big hat. Does she fit into it now?

No, no, not yet. When she's five. No, no, no. Give it like, give it the, shall have it in the summer. 18. 205. God, yeah, marks I came back to work. Crazy.

Crazy. Yeah, way too early. Bit soon, yeah. Way too early. Some regrets. April. Dominic Robb resigns after bullying allegations. What a shit show.

What a fucking shit show. I am so embarrassed. Another podcast that I'm going to recommend people is, I've recommended it before. It's called the newsagents. And I'm going to say off the bat, they're quite left wing, but so am I, so it's fucking fine. Every time I talk to anyone about this podcast,

they're like, well, yeah, well, they're very liberal. I'm like, yeah, well, so am I. so I like listening to people that say what, you know, articulate what I'm thinking well. Anyway, it's Emily Maitliss, John Sopal and Lewis Goodall. And they're three really good journalists. And they do an episode every single day about... Whoa! Yeah, about the government and about news.

Every day? Yeah, it's called the news agents. Wow. I just think they're really good. This is where I get my news from. And I think it's a part of where I get my news from. and they do some really good interviews and it's just really, really good

but it's led me, it's kept me very like abreast of the absolute fuckery that is the Conservative government for the last few months. Really? Yeah, I'll, it's so nuts.

And we'll get onto it, I guess, later in the year, but I'm so shocked by like where we are. Like, the Rwanda thing, Suella Braverman, dominant rab done for bullying the Boris Johnson you know like COVID inquiry all of it

fucking Nigel Farage I know it's not the Conservative Party but Nigel Farage going on I'm a celebrity Why are we so comfortable with right wing morons just doing whatever the fuck they want It's actually mad And this happened now

But the Supreme Court have said Rwanda is not a safe country To deport people who aren't from there too and the conservatives are like okay well we're just going to change the law and rule that it is and people are like yeah okay it's insane it's insane anyway this podcast has helped me help me realize the many intricacies to the insanity i am just subscribing as we speak it's very good and soella well we'll we'll we'll get on to her i think that's later in the year it is later in the year fucking lunatic honestly awful all awful but dominant right like it's i'm so mortified when

you hear these texts. Like if you listen to the COVID inquiry, the Dominic Raab stuff, like all of these messages, the WhatsApp, they've been sending each other. It's so embarrassing. I'm like, you're grown men. Oh my God. Is it bad? I haven't, I haven't heard. Oh my God. Yeah. They literally like the way they speak about each other to each other. Like, it's so incriminating. What does he do now now after he's resigned? He's been so busy. Dominic Robb is deputy prime minister, law chancellor and secretary of state for justice for the 25th of October. but until April 2023.

I've literally had like constipation for longer. He previously had the same role between the 15th of that was for a year, fine.

I don't know what he's doing currently. But this is what annoys me the most is it's like with MPs, it's like, with the cabinet, you can have someone like,

oh yeah, they were the treasurer, they were the treasurer, now we'll just let them do teaching and now they can do justice and now they can do foreign. And it's just like, and it's like how,

I want a, teacher in charge of education. I want a lawyer in charge of legalities, the home office. I want a tech genius in charge of... Obviously. But we don't get that. They just play...

Obviously. It's like musical chairs. Literally, I was going to say musical chairs. I predict Dominic Rob will be on Straitly come dancing next year. Or maybe dancing on ice. Something ITB. They just, they will...

Yeah, they love it. Yeah, they'll do anything for them. Yeah. yeah how much do you want millions one million two million it's all yours yeah um okay also in April was the end of the fourth trimester oh god that's weird yeah yeah for you the one thing I will say about that is I think when that ends people do expect there is the leniency ends at some point over the summer people stopped being like well she just had a baby like because I hadn't just had a baby anymore.

So I think people now look at me and think that her life's normal or like what you're moaning about or like anything like that. And I think people forget that like they don't just start sleeping at three months and you don't just start having regular hormones. I don't know. Like it's quite interesting. Like I don't think I didn't feel a shift in me at the end of the fourth trimester particularly but I have noticed a gradual shift in everybody's expectations.

Which is interesting. Do you find that it's people who aren't parents? Yeah. Who just don't get it. Yeah. But that's fine. And I have never felt like, I think because really none of my friends have kids.

I think, or like the majority, you know, like none of my friendship groups, they're not kid-centric. So I've never felt like this, like, oh, well, you guys just don't get it. Like, I've never felt like that. because I didn't get it before I had one and I don't feel the need to I don't know, sit,

feeling like I'm misunderstood because I'm not and if I want somebody to understand I'm feeling all I need to do is tell them but I think just generally the kind of allowances that are made of like, oh yeah, I'll come to you or like just the kind of

the kind of softness that people have around you at the beginning. That does just end. Yeah. Which just makes sense because, you know, You can't milk it forever, but, yeah, like, I don't know. That must be hard, though, brutal when you're not necessarily feeling any better or feeling more settled. Yeah, it was really hard.

Like, I definitely feel now, like, I still haven't left her for the night, and I'm still really scared to do that. And I think if I said that to someone without kids, they'd be a bit confused by that. Or maybe even someone with kids. I think, like, you know, everybody feels differently. And some people are much more comfortable doing it. No judgment, no shade. Like, you do, you know, you do you. You're the best mum to your own kids.

But, like, I think that would be a surprise to people or, like, and the summer was very difficult. Like, I really, by September, October, I was just really struggling. And then now I've, now we've got childcare, everything's so much easier. But I think, yeah, like, September was like this, like, everyone really just expected everything to be normal. And it just wasn't. yeah um if anything it was harder because she was like she was getting up she was up and out um yeah but i don't know

like it's interesting like i think this is what we're just saying earlier but you just can't really win you just have to accept that you can't do all of it and then you just work out what you can do and then it's fine for any mums listening to this that resonate with anything i've said there's a poet on Instagram called Jess Erlix. I don't know how you pronounce her surname. She's U-R-L-I-C-H-S. Or even if you don't have kids, but your friends do. She's a poet, and some of her posts have made me feel so seen.

I've actually bought the book. She's done three books, and I bought them for my friend Sophie as a Christmas present. I might buy them for myself as a Christmas present, do you? Juries out on that on. Anyway, but she writes these, like, beautiful. poems. It just make me feel so seen and I think that's really nice and like

so yeah, that would be nice. Yeah, lovely. Daisy's put in quite a few without context screenshots in here that I'm struggling to work out. Oh, I remember this. I remember this. April was where you didn't know the wolves were real. Oh, wolves are the legends, aren't they? Yeah.

Oh yeah. I'm still not sure on that I'm still not sure that that's my conspiracy theory everyone's a loud one that's fine that's your one is it wolves aren't real

that's my one yes yes you know what I'm going to take you next year where to go and see a wolf and then we can find you a new conspiracy theory

because that one's boring I want a different I want a better one I want the apple Levine's dead theory that's a fox that fascinates me but it's definitely not true

well you can't have it I would love to believe a conspiracy theory and just like get involved with one, you know, and really, like, deep dive. But I just don't believe any, you know? Not yet. We can find you one.

Not yet. I'll rabbit hole girly. May. May. Beyoncé's Renaissance world tour begins. Are you a Beyonce fan? I'm not a fan. I actually, like, I'm not a big fan of her music, just not my kind of music. But I am, I do enjoy watching her performances because she's just fucking incredible at performing.

And blue ivies. Oh, I was obsessed with blue ivy dancing. I must have watched like a thousand videos of it and I'm like, I could do this dance off by heart at this point. Let's see it. Absolutely not. But yeah, her performances are just, I think they're just so. Do you remember when she was, oh, was it the VMAs?

And she was against a background. Oh, hang on one second. But so VMAs 2014, I think it was. Oh, she did this incredible performance, like against a huge screen behind her. And she was, like, interacting with the screen during her performance. And it was just, it's mind-blowing. I sometimes still watch it. She also looks so unbelievable.

The screenshot that Daisy's put there is insane. I just think she looks unbelievable. Also in May, we had a live show. Oh, my God. How fun was that? is not the only one, eating up the stage. Oh my God, I was pregnant there. Shit, I was, I was, like, early pregnant there.

Oh, my God, you were, and I was postpart. Like, just, that was my first, God, I was wearing a tight dress for that point, that point postpartum. You were, you were, you were, but, how? You must have been, like, six weeks. Yeah, it would have been, it would have been, six weeks. You look great. I love that photo.

We're so cute. I think that's before everything kicked in. I was like, oh, my God, I was like, pregnancy is great. I love it. I feel so good. Before the hormones really ran back. I don't think you were being sick. I think you were cool.

No, I think I was good. I think I was good at that point. Oh, that was so nice. That show was so nice. King Charles III was coronated. He was. Crowns are the silliest little things. Honestly, if you look at them, like, that is a grown man.

I know. Like, it's actually obscene as well. Like, all of those stolen, looted gems on his head. the audacity it's like you know when you borrow you know when you just steal your friends trainers and then you can't wear them in front of her like one of your sister's jumpers you don't want to like wear it in front of her you have to just wear it when you're with other people they don't do that they're like yeah look got your rubies does look a bit silly doesn't it a little bit silly I tell you the crown's one thing but I think it's the um like sort of crewella deville

type the dalmatian fur shawl yeah I bet it's real as well that Oh, no, what Dalmatians? I can't be real Dalmatian. It's probably rabbit. Yeah, probably. For once in my life, I have something in common with King Charles. Is he pregnant? Does he also have a Sunday at the best time?

Can he play the drums? Does he speak French? Wait, is he good to swimming? No, it's a recent thing, very, very recent thing that I have in common with him. To do with appearances, actually. It's an aesthetic thing. Oh, fingers! My fingers!

Dave, are they not like Prince Charles? You know what you're Prince. You see your Prince Charles is? Your sausages. Honestly, when I first wake up, the... It's uncanny, really. So, yeah, so that's that, that. June.

Join. Join. So, Join. So, Join. Courtney Kardashian, her pregnancy. Now, I have so many things to say about the Kardashians. Do you? What do you have to say about the Kardashians? I watched it a lot when I was pregnant and I started from the beginning and I got to season like 17 and then maybe 12, 17, anyway, and then I wasn't pregnant anymore. Then I

haven't had any time so I've been watching it. And then recently, while I've been ill, when I had my sinusitis, I started watching it again. And it was kind of at the time when Courtney was like not wanting to do the show anymore. And I've just been really fascinated since then. I haven't watch the show since then, but like I follow them online and stuff. And then seeing her, because she's kind of like older to be having a baby. And she looked so young, which I find instantly confusing about the Kardashians. Like, and it's kind of amazing. But anyway, this, I just don't, I don't know, I find it mad. I find it mad. I find their relationship mad. The social media mad. All of it. Mad. Like, mad. I would like to know your thoughts on the

D'alcha and Gabana debacle. Who, do you think Courtney had a leg to stand on? Oh, no, no. And I, but I don't, I think, and I think you can attest to this. I think sister fights are not reasonable fights. Like, you fight with the sisters about things that to other ears just don't make any sense. And I feel like they're in a really weird position where I feel like they fight about one thing, but it's not actually about that thing.

Yeah. There was so much underlying stuff, so much. It was such a buildup. So I still haven't caught up in recent times, but what I'm watching now is like season 19 and Courtney doesn't want to do the show anymore. And Kim and Chloe are like, well, she doesn't want to share too much.

And Kim and Chloe are like, but if you don't share too much, we have to share more because we literally are contractually. We're pulling your weight. And it's just so interesting how it's like a full business. And I'm always, I actually think Kim Kardashian is so impressive. Like, I will die on that hill.

Oh my God, same. I think she doesn't stop. She doesn't stop. She works so hard. I think she's a really incredible business person. I think she's a really impressive mother to her children, particularly, like, in a co-parent. Like, she never does anything bad about Kanye. And, like, she seems like a really present mother.

And I don't know. I just think she's really impressive. And I think she's really good at removing, look at me talking like I know them, but removing her feelings from it. and I think she sees what they're doing as a business but it kind of feels like maybe Courtney's just got anger and I don't know but it must be mad

Yeah there's underlying stuff there for sure and I think I think I don't know I was kind of with Courtney were you on the D&G thing yeah

taught me through it because I was like because I was like did you watch this series No I haven't watched it I'm still catching up but I've seen it online I've seen the chat

Give us a synopsis though for people who haven't seen the who aren't watching it So basically Courtney did her wedding in Milan or no Italy somewhere Italy She got out in Italy Somewhere in Italy

And D&G dressed her And the entire family for the wedding And her whole wedding Was very like Dottche and Gabbana 90s dotchangabana vibes Like it was completely centred around that and they showed her going to the house of Dodger and Gabana in Italy

beforehand on the show to get all their outfits fitted and Travis wore it as well. And then like, I think it was the year after, I think, I don't think it was too long after then Dodgering Gabana asked Kim to creative direct their fashion show and she did and she obviously did a ton of, stuff in Italy where she wore Dolcei and Cabana and she pulled

a lot from the 90s archives of dot chain cabana and Courtney Kardashian was just like I got it from her point of view because she was just like can I just have this one thing like and to be fair to her she does like yeah she doesn't really have a thing

a lot she'd yeah I mean she's got push and she's got lemmy actually those vitamins but like Kim does have a lot and a lot of really successful things And it was like, it did feel to me like, God, this is like, this is, this was Courtney's thing. Like, she could have just said no, like, she's got enough money. She's got enough, like, you know, accolades to her name at this point.

Yeah, maybe Kim was doing it on purpose. I don't know. I don't know. But then I feel like. I think Kim couldn't say no. That's what I felt like. She couldn't say no to the money and the opportunity, which is fair enough. It was a cool opportunity.

But, yeah, I just, I saw it from both sides. Yeah, I just feel like. yeah I don't know I just feel like Courtney doesn't want to do it anymore she doesn't want to do anymore yeah and I feel like their relationship is toxic between two of them yeah but it would be it must have been Kim Kardashian sister

and the older sister as well I always think that's hard when the younger one is more successful yeah and drives you around you kind of expect the older one to be I don't know why but they normally are they've had longer they normally are like Jessica Simpson Beyonce I don't know

they're normally the older sister yeah that's interesting Brittany. Yeah. Brittany. Oh my God, Jamie Lynn, I was very interested to watch Jamie Lynn in the jungle. In the jungle? Yeah, Jamie Lynn's face was in, I was in, I was a celebrity.

No, she was not. I didn't even know that. Where'd you been? I don't know. I didn't read anything about I'm a celebrity. So I, when she went in, I was like, and I was saying to my mom, because my mom watched it and I hadn't started it yet, because I'm always in bed by nine. So I was having to watch it on catch up.

And when I, when she went in, I was saying to my mom, I was like, yeah, honestly, like, screw Jamie Lynn, because. she said this to Brittany and her and Britney and poor Britney and poor Britney and like whatever and then my mum kind of said it really matter of fact it was like oh she's like well she's coming across really well and then as she was leaving mum and I were talking about it and we were like

she was the younger sister to her parents that were clearly incredibly toxic pardon the spheres pun there what chance did she stand like it's not as simple as like Jamie Lynn the grown adult against Brittany the grown adult like they both grew up in the same environment

pushed into child stardom like and yeah I don't know it just made me realise I was like oh my god the media and I the media and the retroate the social media there's so little humanity allowed for her and when she's speaking you realise she because I remember I used to love Zoe 101

I think when she was 16 she got pregnant when she was on Zoe 101 yes she did emaciated herself from her parents to go because they didn't want her to have a baby and then she went and had her on her own and I'm like oh my god 16 yeah and there's us being like

well I'm team Britney fuck Jamie Lynn it's like oh my god poor Jamie Lynn we've got no idea what she's gone through they're both victims and I just never accursed me so I racked myself on the hand for that for judging her how did she do in the jungle she did really well and then she quit

like halfway through she's really missing her kids oh yeah Did she talk about Brittany? Yeah, she should. But I guess, bless it, then everyone's talking to her about Brittany all the time, and it's like... I know, and she was an actress and whatever, and yeah, I don't know. Like, I just really felt right.

She came across really well, just really cool. Also in June, oh my God, I can't believe this was June. The submersible went missing. I can't believe that was June. That was also disgusting as well, I found out. I think we talked about that on TikTok. I think we talked about it. But, like, that was so bad the things that people were saying.

Like, I had to, like, actively remove myself from TikTok because it was getting so angry. Yeah, I've seen a lot of memes now of, like, I mean, quite jokes, to be fair, but, like, of, um, it was like a meme of some guy was like, you're all wondering why you got, you're getting cold for Christmas as if you weren't sharing memes of submarines, like your life depended on it in June.

And it's like, yeah, you fucking sickos. Sickos. It's what we're saying about the Liam thing. and we're so good at just being like well they're billionaires so they deserve to die and it's like what the fuck is wrong with you as a kid?

I know, can you hear yourself? Has died and you're making jokes where a kid is missing and it's so fucking foul and not even like the people that you know like they've lost their lives but like the ripple effect and like all the people that that touches they didn't deserve it

no and they don't deserve to see all these sick like TikTok videos about it's just gross I honestly it's so unfair I just can't bear it I know and that was so sad and I know lots of sad things happen

but we are allowed you know there may be sadder things but we are allowed things can still be sad and I feel like that's what's what we're not good at it's just like oh well it's not that sad because there were only five of them

and they were all like billionaires and it's just like so it's more sad that people here are dying and it's sad that everybody's dying just because you're less sad about this one doesn't mean you should laugh at it Exactly. So gross. So gross. Shame on those people.

Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. July. July. The Daisy's got engaged. The Daisy's got engaged. Again, how is that July? What. The Daisy Jane. That's insane. That's so crazy. But yes, producer Daisy got engaged to her girlfriend, Daisy.

Fiance. Both called Daisy. Daisy, both called. Daisy Rose. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Um, and they're going to have a little girl called Daisy. Yeah, they have to. Maybe not. No, it's the Daisy train, the Daisy Empire. Yeah, that was really exciting. I think, did you know beforehand? I did know beforehand. I love knowing that people are going to propose before I propose. It's my favourite state to be in. Like that excitable anticipation. It's happened a few times now, actually, and I really, I think maybe feel good Friday quite often like my guy friends will tell me in feel good

Friday before they do it do they it's just so nice I love that um so yeah I knew I knew before yeah loads actually like most of my friends I'm very rarely surprised by a proposal now I bet you find out people are pregnant a lot as well oh my good yeah that's how a lot of that's how a lot of my that's how ash told me she was pregnant did she yeah with alf that's how Anna, my goddaughter's mom, told me she was pregnant with Olivia. Yeah, it's really nice. It's really nice. I love it.

And I just lose my mind, obviously. Well, congratulations to the daisies. Also in July, you became Metro's Agony Ant. Yes, I did. That's so cool. I know, so good. I found out the other day when I first started, like literally 700 people read my first one. Ick.

And now we've got like 30,000 every week. And I'm like, whoa. wow amazing oh I thought 700 I was like that's amazing oh no well yeah but yeah

that's so cool it was really nerve wracking starting that actually but I'm so lucky that I do it I love it it is cool is it on your bio on Instagram

yeah good people gave me a bit of chitch actually at the beginning for that and it's just like well you're not qualified and it's like agony aunts aren't

I'm not there and I haven't just announced that I'm like opening of their therapy practice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're not answering, you're not answering questions that need genuine professional help, you know?

Oh, no, it's advice. Touching, like, scary territory. It's just like advice. And it's good advice. Well, so yeah. For the most part, we hope. July was a big month as well, because on my birthday,

Barbenheimer came out. Oh, God. Oppenheimer and Barbie both came out. On my birthday, slightly overshadowed me, but I'll allow it. Have you seen both? I have now, yeah. Have you? I've only seen Barbie and didn't see Oppenheimer.

I know, so... Because it was too long, I couldn't face the idea of being in cinema for that long. That's my feedback. I didn't go to cinema for either, because, baby, but my feedback on Oppenheimer, it could have been an hour shorter. It was great. Oh. But it was just so long. It was just an hour in the middle.

I was just like, we don't need it. And I don't know why. directors do it do it why and they just make it more work for themselves wait more work way more work and hours more work i i just love the days of of a film being one hour 20 minutes long like what's wrong with that i'll take two hours i'm absolutely fine with a two hour film but it does not need to be longer than that it just doesn't no it really doesn't nothing's that important and if it does make it a series yeah honestly or a sequel yeah it's so annoying so it was really good and like Killian's a bit of a dish but also Florence Pugh did a lot of the press and

wasn't in it as much as what I thought she would be you didn't like Barbie I'm just going to say it's the elephant in the room yeah I mean I don't think I went in in the right with the right attitude I don't know I think it was tired and I went by myself which was fine I enjoyed it but yeah I wasn't yeah I did out I'd have gone with you I'd have loved to have gone with you oh but baby yeah but I could have found somewhere to to leave her in the popcorn bucket or something out the back I'd have come always invite me let me say no okay okay we'll do next time thanks but yeah I do know I just I found it a bit mere tell me tell me tell me tell me because I didn't let you talk about it before because you were

trying to be negative about it before I'd seen it and I didn't want to hear it well I found that it didn't really um I don't know I just feel like people were calling it this like this feminist masterpiece and I just didn't find it to be that at all. It was a bit obvious in that way. It was very obvious. They tried to touch on a lot, but they only scrape the surface of everything. Ooh.

Scathing. Sorry, sorry, guys. There were some laughs. I thought Ryan Gosling's character was really funny. Yeah. I did like that. Yeah, I don't know. I just wasn't bald over by it. I think because I was seeing all of these things about these like think pieces about

oh my god it's like you know feminism and and like it's gonna it's gonna change the course of history for women and I was like fuck what is it and then I was like wow this is like kind of feminism 101 a little bit you know maybe it's because we're in that space as well a lot online possibly possibly yeah yeah I also can't believe that that was ugly betty I can't believe that the world's convinced us that that woman was ugly was ugly literally the most beautiful woman in the world literally but and her monologue as well like obviously it was great like that monologue was great and it's spot on but like it's been done a lot before i think you've seen it i think we're in the space online where we hear that monologue probably or in it variations of

it a lot do i sound like a wanker no you sound like a guardian critic so read into that what you God, it's so a wanker. I honestly, if The Guardian don't like a film, I just, I just like, I can't, no, not if the Guardian, the Guardian won't like a film, like every time I read reviews before I watch a film. But we were watching the other day, and Alex just read something and I was like, that's a Guardian review. And he was like, it is. Like the, like, I'm going to say it, the snobbery, the intellectual snobbery.

The snobbery, yeah. I'm like, all right, we don't all have brains. you. Some of us, like the comedic relief. I know, I just didn't find it that funny. I don't know. No, I know what you mean. Maybe I just had a bad, bad mood. I had some laugh, outlaw moments. I had like five laugh, hard, loud moments in it, I think. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I thought it was funny, and I thought it was good, and it was a bit obvious, but then that's... Fine. Yeah, not necessarily a bad thing. But I guess, I guess, I guess maybe that's how it, yeah, maybe that's how it meant it was, it should have been, like a gateway, you know?

It is also for kids, so I guess that's like something as well. You know, it's like they had to make it digestible. It couldn't be some like massive, like Sylvia Plath type dissection of modern feminism. I will say as well, and I don't know, I don't, I probably sound like definitely like a one canal, but like I do think that they tried with diversity. But like ultimately, the film revolved entirely around Margar Roberts. But they had to. That was Barbie? It was.

But the, but I mean like the publicity and everything as well. Like it was entirely focused around Margot Robbie. See, I get that. I actually think that will have done more harm than good. Oh no, see. I get that. Because I spoke to my sister after and she was just like, she came out of that and she was just like, I just wish that I look like Margot Robbie.

Oh, okay. And I was like, is that what you've taken from that? And she was like, yeah, I just wish I looked like Margot Robbie. And I think that's what the general consensus will be. Because she's got this, like, this woman, she is the standard of beauty. She couldn't fit it anymore. Like, there's nothing else that could they have, they can make her fit it? Could they have done it?

If they'd have made Barbie look anything different, if they'd have had anybody else play Barbie, like any other parameter, like if they'd have had a woman of a different race, if they'd have had a woman of a different size, like, if they'd have had a woman of a different age, there would have been that I think the backlash, would have done more harm than good.

First of all, no one would have watched it because, you know, just had like the Pierce-Morgan, G-B, although it's gone too far in this fucking box checking, blah-la-la-la-la. Like, everyone would have been so negative about it from the very off that that actor would never have been respected.

Like, look at how people were about The Little Mermaid and she was a cartoon. So I think, I don't know, I think it had, like, I thought that was, that was kind of, that felt like the point. was that she was so perfect, but she didn't feel it. Like, even Barbie didn't feel like she was enough.

And that was the point. It's interesting, isn't it? I just, I know, I know, and I, I, I do know what you mean. I don't, I don't know, I don't know what the right way to have done it would have been. But it just felt, to me a little bit, like, we're just, like, it ended up being this, like, huge praise of Margot Robbie, the whole, the whole entire thing. it was like, I don't know, I don't know, it just, it just felt a bit off.

She's so beautiful. She is so beautiful. And we are, you know, as humans, like we're very attracted to that. And I think that's part of the reason why, I think that's a huge part of the reason why the film did so well. Because she literally looks,

like it was the most ridiculously incredible casting. Like she literally looks like Barbie. Yeah, like Barbie. But I think that might, I guess to my mind, I think that's, I think that's, that's probably the best, if we're like thinking that kids are looking at it, I think that might be, because I think people will always leave any film that Margot Robby's in wishing that they look like Margot Robbie, whereas at least in this film, you know, Margot Robbie still

exists, but it's like if kids are going to look at it, then it's like, let her be this beautiful vessel of the information that they want to relay, which is that even though she's this beautiful, her life isn't perfect, and even though it looks perfect. I just feel like they didn't do a good enough job of relaying that but that was the point wasn't it like i felt like the the theme of the the film was like margot robbie looking incredible and these incredible outfits like that's what we were actually focused on and i don't know maybe i'm wrong i'm probably wrong i feel i didn't i didn't like glean anything meaningful from it but i'm maybe i'm being a wanker probably not a wanker i think it's really interesting like and i'm sure loads of people had your

shared your views on it. August, Colleen Rooney was on the cover of Vogue. Fuck yes, we can talk about Colleen Rooney. Have you seen the documentary yet? No, but I really watch you. My mum has watched it and she keeps going on about it, like saying how good it is.

Spectacular. It's still unbelievable to me that that whole thing happened. The whole... Unbelievable. And I actually forgot how it all played out. So watching it, watching the documentary, they did it brilliantly. the documentary was brilliant.

Was it? So good. Like the way they filmed it was just so well done. The fact that Rebecca Vardy's clearly given absolutely zero consent to be in it at all and they managed to make this incredible series without her in it at all was so good. You didn't even, Alex said it, you only noticed in the third, because I said in the third episode, third and last one, I said to Alex, I was like, you notice Rebecca Vardy's not even been in this. She obviously hasn't given permission.

He was like, oh my God, how good is this documentary that we didn't even realize that? Wow. It's so well made. Wow. And like, I'm not-channel's it on, Disney. Disney, I'm going to watch it tonight. I'm obsessed with her. Colleen.

I mean, I love her. I love her. I've always loved her. Just, I think she's so down to earth and just cool and like nonchalant and just, it doesn't seem to be interested in like. She feels so down to earth. And the fact that the liver building, was on the cover of Vogue. It's just so cool. Yeah. She just feels so, I don't know, like watching it. I think I've always like seen and heard like kind of the trope around her like being a wag and

yeah, I guess by literally of that association and we assume that all wags are stupid and vacuous and that they're with their partners for the money. And I think same as Victoria, even actually way less. Like they've been together since she was 16 and they say in the documentary they show pap photos of her on her way to school her first time being pat she's in her school uniform and it's like she was just this normal girl from Liverpool and it's so weird and like her life just got turned into this and she has stayed so grounded like mum of four kids she's obviously an incredible mother and then just does this like fucking iconic but what was Rebecca Vardy thinking what was she thinking

It's mad. It was close friends, right? That's how she caught her out, close friends. It was a private Instagram account. Oh, she's just so bad. It's so bad. I just don't know. I mean, come on.

But she was also going, you know, married to a really successful footballer. She's been in, I'm a sled, but she's got, I don't know why you'd do it for money. I don't know. Was she doing it for money, purely to sell the stories? Well, they were doing it. They were doing it for. doing it for um part in return for positive press from the sun which is how clean first got suspicious because she said you know like the sun aren't nice about anyone for no reason and they

were always really nice about rebecca vardy and right right yeah and i don't know it's just mad like so oh my god so she's throwing her mate under the bus yeah but she was doing it kind of for positive things but then also i think it turned transpired as well for money as well but now i kind of feel sorry for her because it's like what we say about the Liam Payne thing it's like the internet's never going to let her live again now and I don't know what the fuck she was thinking to do it but she was seven months pregnant when this all kicked off and then she took Colleen to court which makes no sense to me zero cents what the fuck I know I know and then she said to pay well you know like I don't know pay for all of that and it's just like and it must be so stressful

that's so weird and obviously Colleen won didn't she yeah obviously yeah but But Rebecca took her to court. Oh, God, don't. I'm embarrassed. I know. I know, but then I feel, I do feel sorry for Rebecca Vardy, because she did a really bad thing. Total betrayal of trust completely, obviously took me of her senses. But like, now what's your life?

Yeah, that's quite... Like, when Jamie Vardy was playing, they were showing in the documentary clips, they were cheering, they were shouting at him, Jamie Vardy, your wife's a grass. Like, that was the chant. Oh, no. No. But then didn't he, like, he didn't go to court with her, is that right? I don't think he didn't turn up at court with her at all, or no.

I know, well, she was, she was selling stories from his, you know, from his friends as well, it's just, it's not good, it's not good. What she? Yeah, maybe it was like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what, I didn't get it, I didn't get it, I didn't get it, I didn't get it, um, but I do fucking love Colleen, Rooney. Me too, I can't wait to watch a documentary. And you get it, girl, cover of vogue, like, I, honestly, iconic. I know, literally iconic. It's such a good cover. Such a good cover.

Also in August, we reached 3 million downloads and you told everyone that you didn't think that we landed on the moon. No, I was just speculating that perhaps, hey, what happened to everyone being allowed one conspiracy theory? I did enjoy that one. That was actually probably one of my favourite, is it just me episodes of the year

when we went through all the conspiracy theories? So fun. Agree, agree. And all the glitches in the Matrix. That I enjoyed too. Yeah, that bus thinks I'm never going to get over it. But... No, I still can't.

August, big August news. We didn't talk about this at the time. Yes. Spain won the 2023 Women's World Cup, which meant that they beat us, which was sad, but also fine. Also, since we've been recording, Mary Erkes has just been announced BBC sports personality of the year.

Love that, which means for the third year running women of won, which is great. Wow. Oh, that's cool. Really cool. But the whole thing was overshadowed because, the, I think he was the head of the F.A. Louis Ruvialis, non-consensually kissed player Jenny Hermoso.

Sorry, Jenny Hermoso. Yeah. That was so fucking mad. So mad. And he would not step down. He would not step down and there was so much. It's wild, isn't it? Of his, yes, so much defence.

He was just excited. He was just. he's just a bit older, like, that's how they do it. He's literally probably like 40. Imagine someone just fucking kissing you, like this random man just kissing you on the lips. Oh, it's so gross. But that's it.

It's like, that's how men still, so many men, not all men, this is how so many men still perceive women in sport. Like, he wasn't kissing her as an athlete. Yeah. He was kissing her as a, like, well done. A girl. Yeah. Yeah.

Because in best believe he's not going to kiss fucking, you know, like Ronaldo, he's not Spanish, but he's not going to kiss. Yeah. I can't think of a single male Spanish football there. Me neither. Embarrassing. But agreed on the lips. No way.

But the, the outcome of that. He was fired in the end. He was. And it's, do you remember his mum went on hunger strike? No, she didn't. Yes, she did. What? No, she didn't.

Presumably she stopped to death now, rest of peace. But yeah, she went on hunger strike. Oh my God Oh my God On 26th of August His mother went on hunger strike As a protest against the inhumane And bloody hunt that they are doing with my son

Inhumane He's been judged before his time That is big Catholic energy that You can't judge him Because God will do it Wow Okay So on 6th of September

Is she all right? Is she eaten? The play of I think she She's all right. She's still alive. Because it's fucking... On 6th of September... Okay, so on 6th of September, the player, Jenny, filed a criminal complaint against him.

On the 10th of December, he resigned his position as the Federation's president and as vice president of UEFA. But, wow, that took a long time. It took so long. And it's really interesting, you know. Because I don't know if she'd... I don't know if she'd have done it, um, judiciary. had he just stepped down and apologised immediately. Right, exactly.

Like, had it been me, very easy to say, but had it been me, if he'd have said immediately, this was unacceptable, I didn't know what came over me, I'm sorry, I stepped down, like, I can't have to get away with that. That's one thing, but, like, the fact that she had to take it so far, because he wasn't fired, he didn't step down. And it was just like, oh, yeah, well, he was just, he was just excited. I'm what the fuck?

You just wouldn't apologize. It is, Matt, yeah, didn't think he did anything wrong. And I feel like we're getting so far Like it's so exciting to see Like the women's game getting so much big Everyone's so excited But then there's just still that And it's like I feel like this

That will have set everything back so much Because I know that there have been so many conversations In pubs up and down the country Of male football fans So I'll just be like Oh well she was just being dramatic This is why we can't have women in the game Because they just bring their feelings into everything

They just make a mountain out of a molehill Blah la la la la like I know That the conversation around that Would have been so negative and that's so disheartening. It's a different culture. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I'm glad that he stepped down in the end. Well, yeah. And I hope his mum's... Well, was forced to step down. Mom's got a had a sandwich since then. Pray for his mum. September, Arlo was christened. And you, same day actually, announced...

Oh my God, yes. Yeah, you did it on the way home from her christening. I did. Oh my God, I was so nervous. I know you are. I left it so late because I was so nervous and oh Betty looks so cute

in that photo you both are so you all do it's so cute I had a tiny little bump and I thought I was so big I know I literally and that's pregnancy for you

like turning over in bed now is literally a three point turn like a six point turn it's like so hard I said to Dave I'd love a little robe up to just like turn me over

and like push me out the bed it's just, it's a lot. Dave can be that little robot. That's what he said. I was like, but in the middle of the night when I need to do all my wheeze, you know, I can't really wait you up to do that. Oh my God, also in September,

I, we need to talk about this because I cannot believe how quiet this is gone. I know. So in September, five women publicly accused Russell Brand of rape and sexual and emotional abuse. And like, where has this story gone? Well,

I've seen that he's had to come back in for questioning a few more times with the Met, please. But obviously it's not been enough to arrest him. It's so depressing. He's just gone back. He's carrying on. He's going to check his TikTok. I think he's just completely back to normal.

But he was back to normal, like, within that first week. He was, like, back on normal, like, normal videos. Isn't it? Mad. Nikki Haley said something about TikTok that's so mental. Yep. And, like, I just want you to do the math on this time. days ago.

We really do need to ban TikTok once and for all. And let me tell you why. Yeah, he's just still out. Finally and inadvertently revealed what they actually think of you. Oh my God, he's such a loser.

God. I actually can't bear him. Like, I can't even look at him. And all the comments, you are brilliant. Russell is the best. Love you, Russ. Russell. Love Russell. Amen, Russell. Stay blessed and strong. I'm in love with you. I'm in love with you. He's incredibly active. There's like three posts a day. But we all stop talking

about it as well. It's really weird. I don't know. I just... Funnily enough, actually, on the day of recording, it was in BBC News yesterday that he was being questioned by the police. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Further sexual offences. the police are obviously building a case but like isn't it mad it's I've never known a story to go cold so quickly this is what I get really nervous about with the internet now we just go so hellful ever

we do these think pieces like yeah yeah yeah yeah we go we go and then we tire we burn out we run out of steam and yeah it's just mad now because it's just another thing that falls into this like divide. And I feel like the chasm's getting so much bigger. And the longer that people can continue to continue after being cancelled, in quotation marks, the less fear of cancellation

there is, which means the more shocking things people can say, because these men are proving time and time again that actually cancel culture doesn't really exist for them. So they can... They are not cancelable. Men are not cancelable. That is a hill I will die on. You can't help you. Well, Russell Brand is the perfect proof. It's insane. And yeah, Russell Brand, like, he's still, is an ongoing police investigation, all the comments. Love you, love you, love you. And he just becomes another porn in this conversation and another example of the mainstream media, another conspiracy theory, like, peace. It's just terrifying. It is. It's really scary. I don't know. I feel like, yeah, I don't even know where Andrew Tate is now. Like, I don't even know what stage in the Romanian judicial system he's found himself. But. well that's the thing he'll be fine as well yeah of course he will consistently like i don't know the whole thing i've i it's so scary it's so scary then these are the people these are the men saying well you can't say anything these days i'm like you clearly fucking can and you do you kind of can yeah and you're fine like a little bit of heat and then you're like free to carry on with your

life as you were yeah literally and just yeah double down just yeah and you're fine fucking hell right October October Beckham I still haven't watched it What I know I say this with all the love

in the world You're not doing much else At the moment And the evenings are What are you doing? I know I know I know

I don't know why I don't know why I just I do need to watch it I think I don't know I just don't know like I don't know

I don't know how interested I am but I know I should be Because everyone has been talking about It's so good You'll be so interested to what we were just talking about.

The way, oh my God, I'm going to have to talk to myself about it because I really have wanted the opportunity to talk about it. The way that the media treated David Beckham was so brutal. Like, watching just for that, I would recommend. And her, right? Yeah, and her, but I think particularly him in, like, you know, they've been awful to her

in the way that they're always awful to women. But the way that they are, with the way that they were with him and I think it's really interesting we've seen it time and time again with male footballers we saw it with obviously much more catastrophically in recent years because of the race element as well

but they did it with the England squad to the three guys that missed penalties in like whatever year it was 2020 29 2021 whatever I didn't know the last time that we were in a World Cup and we lost on penalties or whatever and it was like

yeah basically they talk about the time in, I guess it was like 2001 or something when Beckham got red carded during an England game and then they lost and everybody basically, I think he was captain

and everybody blamed him. Unanimacy. But they don't blame it in a way that's just like, oh buddy, but you really fucked it for us. It was like, someone put like a dummy

with his shirt on in a noose and hung it from a lamp post. Wow. Yeah. Like it was... Because I mean, the football

world is like, I mean, you talk about women being emotional, like football, the football world, like football fans, is like the amount of, like, intense emotion about a sport

is unbelievable. I agree. It's actually tragic. I'm just going to say it. I'm just going to say it. I'm just going to like, talk about your fucking feelings and then you won't care so much about whether a little ball goes between the hoops. I know. holes like I get it there's like it's culture and tradition and like whatever like we you know

but you can like football but exactly without like the intensity and often violence that comes with it and the abuse towards football players like the um like Marcus Rashford yes yes but he's also had so much shit for what he's done off the pitch because he's done so much amazing work for um providing school meals like warm school meals for kids yeah and it's like people are so but his own fans are so annoyed with him for like daring to do something that isn't just like shagging loads of prostitutes and driving a g-wagon do you know what i mean which i mean i'm sure he does that as well but like they're allegedly allegedly but i'm i hope you know like he is reaping the rewards of the ridiculous money that they do make but he's just doing such a good

thing with his power and that really stresses them out as well which i just find fascinating i know take it yeah but the the beckham thing like what i thought was really interesting and you did a post about this like she never she never smiles victoria beckham like i never thought i never liked victoria beckham yeah but i can't tell you why that's why you have to watch the documentary I can't tell you why I never liked her but I just knew that it was the general consensus that we don't like Victoria Beck and she was so thin as well so she was painted as this is like

she's unattainable she thinks she's better than us she doesn't eat she's no fun you wouldn't like her yeah like her because she doesn't smile and she doesn't eat so don't even bother she's nicknamed herself posh yeah like ew yeah yeah you've got to watch it okay I do okay I do need to watch it I do need to watch it So what do you think about?

Because I've heard a lot of people say that they had like full control and creative control over that documentary. So it was kind of... They wrote it, I think. It was able to be, it was obviously it's going to be, you know, completely biased. Did you feel like that watching it? I personally feel that with all of these things, particularly with a situation like that, they've had their story told to us. Like, they've had their story.

I said this on my stories at the time. They have had their story told biographically throughout their whole lives and they've had to sit there with unprecedented media scrutiny particularly into the lives of their children like watching some of the footage

of the Papps going for them when Brooklyn was first born just to get photos. They've had to have misinformation, false story, like breaks of trust. They've had their entire lives to all intents and purposes

documented, completely out of their control. If they now want to control the narrative and take back their power, all power to them, like I am 1,000% here for celebrities to tell their story and I don't think that we always need to try and catch somebody out

and I think that's the kind of thing when people say like, well, it's all in their words and it's like, okay, we're not on a fucking trial here. Like, they're allowed to just tell their story and it doesn't mean that they're hiding something in doing so. And yeah, they didn't focus massively on the fact that he had an affair.

But why should they? Like, that's their family trauma. And that's kind of the point. Totally. Like, they're supposed to be having... They're telling their story. And that means that they can tell it however they want.

And if we don't want to watch it, we don't have to. But we're not watching a BBC documentary that's, like, completely based in fact and has to be balanced. Like, that's not what we're watching. We're watching them tell their story. And they can tell it however they want.

And I, for one, love this... era of celebrities telling us what actually happened in their own words because I just think it's been so long and they've never had the chance to do that everything they've ever said has been twisted and contorted and manipulated and yeah so I felt like it was really cool I really liked it yeah so true well said actually that is really really really good point because they have had a lot of stick about you've all you know you you you you this is it only in your own words and you were able to skate over the divorce uh the affair but like why shouldn't they be able to

why should they have to delve into that and that's what I don't understand about this certain subset of people on the internet we're willing to let Russell Brandon catastrophic misdemeanors if you want to call it that like we'll let that go but the minute somebody starts being vulnerable

or like sharing a little bit of their truth all of a sudden we want the whole story and it's like you're very happy just to cherry pick other things and emit pieces of information and let that go but in this incredible specific occasion where somebody is trying to do something positive, then you don't want it and you've got to find the negative. And I think that's like when the negative's right in front

of us, we're just like, okay, yeah, take that or leave it. But the minute somebody comes out for something that isn't overwhelming negative, we have to start looking for it. And that feels like a shame. Yeah, so true. Well said. I like that. Also in October, Matthew Perry. That's really sad. God, I can't make that's October. Really sad. I know. And it's subsequently come out that he his autopsy results came out and he was

I know he had relapse which is really sad I know it's so sad but again as we said in the episode

with Izzy Hawkins which was a brilliant episode she was so good it feels weird when we say brilliant episode because of our own

episode she was a brilliant interviewee that is just like testament to how strong addiction it is that he

relapsed you know despite you know in spite of everything so yeah super sad bless him bless him you ran a half marathon i did run a half marathon and uh stay tuned today or tomorrow at some point this week for another relevant announcement on my part running wise read into that what you will no one's going to give a shit but there's going to be more toenel content so woohoo buckle up another ultra ha ha ha um and i think we would be remiss not to mention something that happened in October and is still very much still happening and that was that Hamas led an attack on Israel

and that was on the 7th of October and since then there has been ongoing retaliation from the Israeli government and obviously we are aware that we haven't talked about this massively on the podcast I think Al like to speak for both of us we're very aware that particularly in the early days of what was happening

that we didn't want to share misinformation we're well aware that hate crimes in London for both anti-semitism and Islamophobia were up like 300, 400% and obviously it's such an emotive and horrendous situation and I know in both our private lives we've been like deeply affected by this but publicly it's been very difficult to speak

about articulately and in a way that is going to cause more good than harm and that's a balance that we've tried to strike right that and I think the main problem is with misinformation I you know a couple of points I put up posts and I would get a barrage of DMs being like this isn't this isn't the truth this isn't actually what happened and it's like oh my god on one hand you know it's it's like you have this big platform so you should be saying something on the other hand it's like you've got this big platform so like you've got to be really careful spreading you've got to be so careful and spreading misinformation is really dangerous I think like we discuss this at length as well like I discussed it with Dave at length and like my

thought was initially like let's try and like strike that balance but it felt like it became a balance that was like impossible to strike but then but then if you say that obviously what's happening now and to my mind and I think probably to yours isn't complicated what's happening in Palestine is and this is it the situation has evolved so much and so quickly right and what is happening now is just the most horrific thing and I think we have to continue calling on our MPs like really I think working out what's making a tangible difference is really important and I think donating to charities on the ground doctors without borders save the children amnesty I think Red Cross Gaza like there are really important organisations doing work there but I

I think also, like, the most tangible thing that we can do here is leaning on our government because it is, like, the silence from them is deafening. And I've been reading a lot about our oil interests in the Middle East and, like, the speculative idea that that's why Rishi Sunaq isn't calling for a ceasefire. And I think that is so revolting. And I think that's the area that we need to be really aware of. And that's what we should be reading about and, like, working out why our MPs aren't saying anything and why this is being allowed. to happen and why America disregarding the UN's advice and not calling for a ceasefire

and I think it's such a disgusting situation but I think we need to just be very aware of what's happening so that we can be aware of what we can do when the time when there is an opportunity to do something and I think writing to your MP is a really good place to start and actually have a look at who your MP is and work out

what their thoughts are on this and where they've publicly took a stand and yeah but it's been the most heartbreaking situation so and it's really easy to do to write to your MP because I remember at first I was like oh my God how do I write to my MP and actually it's so easy you there are websites where they all you type in your postcode they show you if you don't know they show you your local MP I think they also show you what their stance is currently and they give you a template so that you can

just you know amend or edit the template as you wish. Yeah definitely worth amending them because if you put the exact template that you find in copy and paste it often it goes into spam or they'll just be disregarded. So try and amend it to make it as relevant as, as personal as you can, just to ensure that they get it. But it doesn't feel like those things make a difference, but though they are our elected officials, and that is literally the point of them. And if enough of us make the noise, then they will have to listen. Exactly. Exactly. And it's what we can do. Exactly. It's so easy to feel helpless, isn't it? So. Right. And it's something that we can, it's something tangible that we can do.

as well as donate yeah so speaking of government november suella suella suella was sacked see a bitch sorry sorry sorry i'm panicking i don't i don't call anyone a bitch but like it's you this suella was sacked after a period of what seemed to me like trying to get sacked yeah i think she was she did her best she did her utmost she was a fucking lunatic unbelievable. This is what I mean about the government. This is what I was saying earlier in the episode. We think that things are quite bad. Like we thought Pretty Patel was bad. And then it gets so much worse. And it's like, what? Like when did we, we floated throughout my life particularly. We floated in the middle. Like Labor was in the middle. And like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, they were kind of in the middle left. And then David Cameron was kind of in the middle right. I don't know the wrong way around. But. yeah now it's like we're just going further and further up the ruler with every time I know and I actually I was listening to this on the newsagia's podcast this morning people keep saying Rishi Sunak's like quite like a moderate person and I think we do think

that maybe because he's like buddies with David Cameron and because he just kind of sounds like it like he just I don't know I never imagined him like I always would have thought that Boris Johnson was a lot more like right than him right wing I mean yeah But actually, Rishi Sunat was like such a hardline Brexiteer. And he's going now with the trans stuff, with the stop-the-boat stuff. Yeah. He's going hard. He's leaning in.

He's leaning in. Yeah, he's leaning right. Yeah, the trans stuff, like, that felt so weird. It's so disheartened. It felt so misplaced. They're just trying to get, and I feel that, like, I feel that with, like, Farage going into the jungle, with this. stop the boats narrative like there is so much even the russell brand stuff like there's so much

this like right wing energy the pierce morgan gmb like talk tv whatever it's like all of this energy and it's like i think the the conservatives like they're so desperate at this point to keep them that they're going to go because everybody else is going to surely not want them anymore after the last few years so they're just like right well we need to go we need to go we need to go hard with these guys and it's like terrifying because they're actually in control. It is terrifying. It is terrifying. But what Suella said about homelessness being a lifestyle choice. I thought she was going to get fired after that. I was convinced she was going to get fired after that. I know. It's mad. It's mad. How can you say that? And you're the home secretary? How can you say

that as the home secretary? How can you say that? I know. I know. It's shocking. And it's so shocking. The Rwanda policy like it yeah I'm so revolted by it and like everybody everybody worth listening to everybody that we literally appoint to listen to saying don't do it and they're just like oh it's going to do it anyway what did she say she said something really really disgusting about like oh I know what she said

she had she had it was her dream it was her dream to deport people to Rwanda that's it that's it that's it that's it quoting the famous bigot, Martin Luther King, who would be mortified to hear his words being used, paraphrased like that. Of everything you can dream for, Sue's... And then they talk about the migrant invasion. And that's what I found so detourning.

Like, I think, I can't remember the exact percentage, but small boats, I think, equate to, like, less than 10% of them. migration we have here and we focus so much on it really and we focus so much on it and it's like these people and I can't understand this lack of humanity it's like how desperate do you have to be to get on a boat like that I know I know with your babies and then like like and then and then what and then you get here and you're treated like this it's just like but but how can people not see that from the comfort of their own homes and lives. How can they not see that?

That it's like an act of like desperation. How can they not see that? But this language, like it's an invasion and it's like as if we're imagining fucking like Viking boats. Everyone's got like a bow and arrow. It's like, no, people are clutching onto all that they have in the whole wide world. And they're clutching onto their babies. And how many times do we see it in the news with them capsizing of,

I saw a report of a boat that capsized and the Greek officials deliberately waited to go and rescue them and it's like I don't understand because they don't like them oh my god that's so awful and they didn't want it to be their problem I just don't understand this like lack of humanity

it actually makes me it makes me feel so sick and it keeps been this thing it's like oh it's all it's Albanian gang members and it's you know all these like men are fighting age that's what I keep hearing like men of fighting age are coming over and it's like

fucking hell why what's happening here like this it's propaganda to like the nth degree it's so terrifying it is as propaganda yeah it's so terrifying so so soella it was by suella it was by suella it's good that she's gone farage went to the jungle that's this it's more the same thing there's not hilarious it really stresses me out because it's just like it humanizes him for his whole career he's been to all of us this horror this like bigger this this racist this you know like and we've all looked at him and thought he's awful. And now people have had a chance to like him. And all I keep

seeing online is like, oh, he's not so bad that guy. And that's what it takes. Is that, is that what the general context is being? Yeah, he's an all right bloke, actually. And that's it. That, it humanises it and it makes the politics feel more and more acceptable. We get more and more used to it. And then it doesn't shock us anymore. What he's saying about boats and what he, it just makes me so upset. I don't understand why they're giving him. Like why, well, I mean, but they've got a lot to answer for in that. That's what happened also to what's her name, Katie? Hopkins. Yeah, when she went on Big Brother. Yeah. All of a sudden, yeah, they're humanised and it's, oh, they're not that bad actually. I think she almost won. I swear she almost won. Yeah, she's got public opinion,

like, well back on her now. I keep seeing her on TikTok and everyone's like, love you, Katie. Finally, someone's saying what we're all thinking. Yeah, she's all over TikTok. I thought she was banned. No. She was the runner-up. She came in second place. Yeah, I mean, Nigel came fourth or third, and I'm a celebrity, I think. Did he?

Yep. Did he? What the fuck? That should fight in people. And it doesn't. That is terrifying. I know. And it's like, yeah, I don't know, it really, and it's, and I know what I TV do it, because they're like, oh, everyone wants to see him eating a cockroach, and everyone wants to see him eating a testicle, and it's like,

But the fact that we all get to see him in this context changes everything. It's what happened with Trump. You get reality TV stars in. When you start getting celebrities in power, that's when it's so dangerous. Terrifying. In other news, baby Arlo turned nine months. You found out that you look really good in an umbrella hat. I thought the boats had wheels and we went on our baby moon and I cried the whole time.

You looked so pretty in that. photo that Davey put in here. Yeah, that was pre-swelling actually. I think I hadn't started swelling at that point. Yeah, are you still wearing your wedding ring in that? Oh yeah, yeah, I was still intact. Which brings us on nicely to December. I had to go to the jewel fucking hell, but photo is so bad, Al. Of my finger. Jesus Christ. The panic, can you imagine the panic? The panic was so real. That's really bad. Oh my God, God bless you. I know. You went to Tenerife. And you wore all those

epic trousers. Are those silver tinfoil trousers? They're leather. They're like from apocrombie. Nice. They're really cool. Yeah, they're jowsy. Imagine if I put them on right now.

Imagine what I look like. If I put a pair of like, I don't know. Imagine how funny that my stomach would look in that. I think you look like a. A Christmas pudding all like wrapped up in foil. Yeah. Yeah. I'm imagining something that you get out of like a burger stand.

Yeah. All that. December, I was very ill. I have been. I've had all sorts. You have been ill. Love that. How's it going? How's it going? I'm still actually quite unwell. And so is Arlo, but we're on the way. I think we've just been working really hard and, you know, being a mum. Being a hero.

Hashtag mom life. Ashtag mom life. Also in December, Boris Johnson apologises at the COVID inquiry. That is technically a misleading statement. He sort of apologized, but sort of didn't in that kind of like bumbling way. What did you say exactly? I can't know, can't remember the exact quote, but it's more like sorry that it happened rather than...

Yeah, I'm sorry you're upset. That's a classic Christmas apology, isn't it? That's like what everybody gets over from like nice family members. I'm sorry that you're upset, but... I'm so sorry that that upset you. Yeah. Like, how sensitive must you be

for that to upset you? Yeah, I'm sorry that this is... I'm sorry that you've taken it so badly. Yeah. Oh my God. Gross and balls. Literally. Yeah.

Please. Um, God, I hope you're all right after your Christmases. It's a brutal time of it. Yeah. Yeah, shit. Anything else happened in September? Well, we got Spotify wrapped through. Oh my God, I love Spotify raps.

I literally, I was on my DMs, like, constantly checking my DMs all day because it was so sweet. People were sending like, look how many minutes I've listened to you. You poor fuckers. It's a lot of minutes. Someone was like 10,000, I think 10,000 minutes, which is a lot of minutes. It's a lot of minutes. I know.

I loved it. loved that day. I was so excited to be on my DMs all day. I was like, oh, there's another tag. I still can't believe we get to do this for a job, you know. It's quite crazy, isn't it? It's insane. It is quite crazy. Literally chatting. I mean, for well over, well over two hours now, we have just been... But out, this is our last little chat. Oh, don't, don't. I'm going to miss you so much. I don't know how... Did you miss you too? Before? when I had my, when I went off. At the start of this year, yeah.

Oh my God, totally. I felt like lost. Yeah. I felt so lost and like, I can't do this by myself. Like, it was, yeah. And I remember also like wanting to, I never knew, I wanted to text you a lot, but I was also like, but she's just had a baby,

so I don't want to. I was texting you live. I was like, tell me stuff, tell me stuff, tell me everything, because. I know, but then I was like almost too trivial to text after having a baby. I don't know. It was weird.

Just so I know. you're going to have to tell me if you want texts from me or not. Yeah, I want to feel like I'm still in the real normal world. So yes, please, as much as possible. Okay, okay. Oh, 100% fine. I'm with you. I won't expect replies.

I want to like, everything is going to be so different. I want to keep like as much as I can the same as possible. So yes, please. But you are not working. That is. No, no. That's that. You've been very good with that.

I am, yeah, I am off. She's literally forbidden. I might kick her out of the chat. No, I don't do that. But you, I know, but you, and if any of you see her online or looking tenacious, tell her to cool her jets and take a bit of time off. Get back. And no, I am definitely. I'm going to say it to you now and everybody listening is going to be agreeing with me that we will all still be here whenever you want to come back and you don't need to rush it.

Okay, that's nice. Thank you. We won't. No, no one's going, no, we won't all forget about you. We'll talk about you all the time. thank you okay it's so exciting i will listen to the good bads and awkwards i won't listen to the interviews because then i have to hear my own voice but i will listen to the you know i never listen i never listened to them when i was off i still don't know who you even had oh did you

really no idea i think you did some with georgie and dave some of georgey some with dave i'm excited i've got some plans we're going to do i'm going to do a couple of special is it just Me's um in january um i'm going to do a good and bad and all coulds without you but for the most part we've got many is it just me's banked and interviews banked and so most people will feel like you haven't even gone anywhere because we'll still be able to hear you for many many months and like we said some really good interviews yeah so good really excited really good okay right we're gonna leave you be this is this has been enough apologies we've just added another 10 000 minutes to your listening time um thank you for everything oh god i feel emotional i'm i'm emotional because i'm

well i'm gonna see them all in like four days but do you want to say your say your little goodbye yeah i will see you soon i can't i can't freak myself out too much i'll see you soon it won't be too long i will be back um i love you all so much thank you all so much for all support it's been unbelievable and yeah here's to a good 2024 the best

once I'm back okay don't have too much fun without me don't don't feel like this is like you prefer to do this by yourself you know

famously I hate to do this alone that's not gonna happen okay fine okay good okay good I can't wait to have you back but I will wait

because I want to wait because I need you to have the time that you deserve with your little baby oh my God and I yeah okay

And I'll let you know soon if it's a boy or a girl That's crazy too You're fucking better Much of I'm just like No I'm actually gonna keep it secret Out you would be out You would be out the will

Out the WhatsApp chat That would be it Gone Guys I will see you In a few days And I love you loads But now I love you

Love you Bye Bye Should I delete that is part Of the ACAS creator network I don't know.