Should I Delete That? - 2024 Round Up! (Part Two)

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

It’s time for the second part of our annual round up! Today, we’re going through everything that happened in the second half of 2024 in our lives and in the world of news and pop culture! This half of the year bought an ICONIC pole vaulting incident at the Olympics, a Labour general election win and the end of Molly-Mae and Tommy Fury. We discuss celebrities vocalising their boundaries, the Blake Lively controversy, and how you guys - our lovely listeners - helped us through a year that was at times *turbulent*… WE LOVE YOU! Email us on [e-mail]!Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That? is produced by Faye Lawrence Music by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to our 2024 year in review. If you haven't heard part one yet, we covered everything that happened in the first part of 2024 from brat to baby reindeer. So go back and listen to that if you haven't yet. And I'll leave you now to enjoy part two. Thank you for listening. July, the Olympics. At Paris. The Olympics was huge.

The opening ceremony fell flat. And that's you. you saying that? A Parisian. A truth. A true. How can you say that? It's a tragedy. It wasn't great. It was a bit wet. It was a bit wet. It was, yeah. Olympics, we talked about at the time. We had the Dutch volleyball player. Of course. Convicted paed the paedophile. Yeah. We had the pole vaulter whose Willie got stuck on the bar. What? Don't play with me. Don't play with me. you know exactly what I'm talking about and if you don't, where were you?

Did you not see the pole vaulter who was undone by his own manhood? Oh my! Did you not see that at the time? God, no. When I asked Alex and Ross last night when I was working on my list last night was compiling the news of the year

I said guys' biggest things of the year and both of them were like the pole vaulter in his willie. That's like first thing on the list. Oh my God, I can see it. I can actually see it. see it. No, yeah, yeah. And that's what that was this good. That was his big undoing. Wow. I know. We also had Rachel Gunn, aka Reagan, who went viral for her. I missed this completely.

Let's say interesting break dance performance. Oh my God, everyone was so mean. During the Paris Games. Hated that. Everyone was. I mean, some of the criticism, I thought a lot of people have worked tirelessly to get here to the Olympics and made a lot of sacrifices. Yeah. And obviously had huge amounts of talent and skill. And I think that it wasn't, that wasn't. Oh my God. You're one of them. I thought she was great.

I thought she danced a little heart out. I thought, crack on. You've got all the way to the Olympics. Good for you. Amazing. You're representing your country. Good for you. But we're mean, though.

We're mean. No, we are so mean. We are so mean. It should have been enough that she was just, She didn't score very well. Do you know what I mean? She didn't win. Yes.

That should have been the end of it. Like, I tried, I wasn't very good, so I didn't win, and that's the end of the chapter. And what a moment for the Olympics as well. But it's mean that like this is what stops people trying because they're scared everyone's going to laugh at them and the internet's going to take everything and make them into a joke. Yes, and she shouldn't have been a joke. Arguably, other people could have taken that place. But they didn't. But they didn't.

So there you go. So, yeah, exactly. Also, like, I mean, it strictly has taught me anything. Admittedly, it's not taught me a lot. But it's that Dallas is quite personal. Well, also in July, we can't not mention the fact that Labor won the election. Was that July? Yes, that was July.

In that case, July was when I went to France, when we went to France. Cut the trip down by half. I bled all over France. Oh, my God, was that in July? It was in July. The second half of this year has gone an absolute whiz. I know. Flown by.

Did you do a post-all vote, didn't you? Yeah, because he was six months. It's been a really interesting year for politics in the UK and America for everywhere. But like what do you think of where it's where we stand now with UK politics? I feel really disappointed, I think. I think Keir Starma had a really good opportunity to be a very strong government and opposition. to a Tory party that have been so shameful. And I think the thing that frustrates me is,

obviously they've made a lot of decisions that have made them quite unpopular. They've, I think the budget's been bizarre. But I think the frustrating thing is they, for whatever reason, have, and the Tory party have ended up looking quite credible again. I think what should have happened was after Tony Blair and after Gordon Brown

and after there'd been that really long run of labor leading, they went away in sort of like disarray and they had to rebuild and they had to whatever because the Tories were on top and they had all the popular vote and everyone was like, right, that's fine, we're here now. And then, you know, we've had now, whatever it is, 13 years or longer of the conservatives and they're such a shit sit. They're such a poor excuse for a party. It's just so depressing. But all of a sudden they seem quite, you know, Kemi Badenox making good points. And, and they're kind of. And they're kind of kind of, you know, people are calling for a general election.

In other words, that was that UGov poll that's just gone viral, that's had like millions of people calling for another general election. And it's just like, it's frustrating that the Tories have been able to just be like. What's the process? Can we call for a re-election? Are we allowed? I think we're allowed. If a petition like that gains enough signatures, it has to be discussed in the House of Commons.

Yeah, 100,000. I don't think on the back of that necessarily does change. anything or cause anything. I don't think there will be a general election. I don't think we, like, I don't, I don't, there's no precedent for it. I don't believe. But it does frustrate me. I think if you don't have a very strong, and it's always the thing that worries me

about the left of any politics, and we've talked about this before. We, we see this all the time on social media. The left are very busy tying up their own shoelaces and each other's and, and holding each other to very high moral standards. And while that's happening, we see time and time again, right wing parties, right ring people booming in popularity and I think that's what's happening and it worries me that if you know labor don't do a good enough job then like just we're going further right on the other side do you think that's how it will always go though is that not how it's always gone

through history I think so yeah but I think that's the thing that frightens me the most because history's terrifying well that's the thing and you look at like 1930s Germany yeah it's like Humans don't have a great track record. And people are like, how did this happen? And it's like, I can see how that happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see it happening now. Yeah.

You know, the way that Trump speaks is so normalized. We're so fine with it. There's an amazing film called The Wave. I think it's in German, Die Vela, which means the Wave in German. Look at you. Multilingual. I'm a linguist. It's a film that, like, documents how people come to power and then.

then exert their power over other people and how people just fall in line. And it's really, really, really interesting because you watch it and you can see exactly how it happens. It is quite frightening. And I think even the idea that Farage is bringing up abortion as an issue in the UK now. And he just brought it up, right?

Like nothing's happened, but he said, by the way, don't we think 24 weeks is quite late for it? And it's like the fact that this is even 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been, he had said that and he'd been ignored. But the dials moved so far right that now people are entertaining this and people are listening to this. As somebody with obviously much more left-leaning politics, it's very disappointing when the left can't be strong enough to protect itself and everybody else from fascism, effectively. And I'm super alarmed by how normalized this hateful speeches.

Put those, like, yeah, well, come, put those ideas and thoughts and resources into, like, really, really important stuff. Literally. Like, whatever, you could swap out any women's health issue, what Nigel Fras brought up with abortion there. Endometriosis, infertility, like PCOS, put up, there are so many women's health issues that need conversations before abortion. Things that plague women. Yes. With which they have zero help. 100%.

Very limited health. 100%. Like get a prescription thrown at them and like a hope you get better. See you soon. Guy need to fact check myself, but I think it's the least funded. I think it's the most poorly funded. Is it? I believe so.

With that in mind, and it's like, so you're going to bring up, we are going to talk about women's health, but in the context of abortion. Right. In the context of control. We're not going to talk about it in the context of anything else. And it just, it just feels, it just frightens me that the dials moved. It's so see-through as well, him bringing that up.

It's so see-through. But it isn't to the people who it isn't. You know what I mean? We see it, but it isn't to everybody. This is the insidious nature of it. This is the, I put fucking G.B. News on the other day for the first time because I never watched it. I was getting so, I was watching it. I was like, this is nuts.

But we are just, we're in the weirdest age for news. Yeah. And GV News is a whole thing. GP News is, I'd like to do an episode about GV News one day. We should. Like, we actually should. I find it absolutely fascinating. There's no, there's no other side.

There's no. No, no, no. There's a lot of bias. The woman hosting was very cross about football was wearing pride badges. And then someone was like, yeah, but what about the poppy? And she was like, but they have to wear the poppy. And he was like, well, what about, you know, you don't like politics. She was basically saying politics shouldn't come into football.

Or not politics, symbolism. Like nothing should come into football apart from football. And it's like, well, why should remembrance come in if pride doesn't? But the way the conversation was having, she was getting angry and angry, but there was no one there and she was just getting really angry and it was like you're a news reader

what's happening like I was watching I was like this just feels unhinged like arguing with yourself and there's nobody there they are our Fox News aren't they yes and it's just becoming

so normal August August A Benefer is no more Jano filed for a divorce from Ben Affleck Can you tell me are you interested in this

I see this news everywhere don't know who's clicking. Is it bad that probably is bad, but I never I never believed that it might well have been but I never believed that their marriage was real

the second time around. Why would you fake a marriage? I felt like it was a publicity stunt. In this day and age? Yeah. Why would, what do you think someone's motives would be for a publicity stunt? Publicity. But why? Reputation

For whom? For whom? For whom? Ben Affleck. You think it would help him? Yes, I would have... I think she's quite unpopular and I don't know why. She is unpopular, but there was like her downfall in this year.

Yeah, I don't... I've not fully understood it. There is a video of her that went super viral. Let me get it for you really quickly. Is it being rude to somebody... At the Met Gala. At the Met Gala. I'm just going to say off the back before I even watch it

and I'm not defending her, but how many videos are there of Ben Affleck being rude that people do not bring up? what does she what does she say she's caparelli that's who she's wearing that's it

yeah yeah that's it that is not that fucking rude I know and they're at this huge they are this huge men like with there's photographers everywhere there's journalists

and reporters everywhere like screaming questions at them I would imagine you'd be very distracted this makes me so irate out like that that is news that that is like we can

couldn't hate her for that. And it's like, she's also answering their question, which is more than she needs to do. She could have ignored them. That particular video had 885,000 likes and all the comments are just, like, she's so fucking rude. Time and time again, I've seen videos of him, and I don't really engage with it because I don't know that much about it. But every time I do, he's always looking grumpy and he's always looking surly and people kind of make a joke and there's that meme of him, you know, with a cigarette. And it's like, ha ha ha, grumpy old man. But like when she isn't, it's the same with Anne Hathaway.

When like, when I've seen clips of Anne Hathaway sort of be quite boundaryed this year, did you see that thing of her with the Pats? And she came out and she was like, I haven't got time to meet all of you. But I'll come over here and I'll do this and it's like, that is not rude. No, this is not rude. It is not rude. It's a woman laying down a boundary. Yes.

Or it's a woman not being super polite. Yes. There's a very big gap between that and rude. And we are allowed to assert boundaries. And Jennifer Lopez is allowed not to be the cheeriest woman on the carpet. It doesn't mean that she's like a bad person. Also, like, can you just imagine being at an event like that? Can you imagine the...

No. And she's been quite helpful. If it's a journalist asking, where's your dress from? Yeah. It's actually quite helpful. Yeah, someone shouted, what are you wearing? She said, Scaparelli. That's helpful.

Thank you. I don't need to go and research the designer now because you've literally given you. Thank you. That's really helpful. Yeah. Like, what more did she, she was half up the stairs? She's going to, in the range, she's going to stop. I know.

What more, was there to, that was the full question? I agree. I agree. I totally agree with you. And I've seen a lot of comparing the Jennifer's as well. Because his ex-wife is Jennifer Garner. Of course. Yeah.

There was something to do with her tour as well anyway, but do you know what? We should actually probably look into the, like the, and I'm saying this in quote, quote, unquote, downfall of Jennifer Lopez. I think we should look at that next year, you know. She's very much on... Let's do an episode on it. I'd love to. She's very much disliked.

I don't really understand why. I'm sure people listening will know why, but just based on that video. Let's do our research and next year, we'll do an episode on that. Because I'm really intrigued by this. Can't wait, see you then. Molly May and Tommy Fury broke up.

Oh shit. Oh shit. That was big. That was really big. Huge. That was really big. He was accused of cheating on her. Another situation where people have said it was a publicity stunt.

And I think they've been silenced now. I think everybody thought it was just before his big fight, or just before his book was released. And it was just before her brand maybe was released. So a lot of people speculated. Right. But that's been debunked? Well, I mean, I think it's been debunked by the fact that they're not back together.

You know, everyone was saying it's publicity, it's publicity, it's publicity. She's only doing this publicity, watch them move out, eye roll, what does them move out, I roll, watch them move back together within a month. And it's been six months. and you would not do that to your kid. You wouldn't have done this to your kid, full stop. I don't know her, but I really like her. As you know, I fucking love her.

Well, you fucking love her. She doesn't need publicity. She doesn't need, she's Molly Mae. She's fine. She's got millions of people. She's fine. She is absolutely fine. That always annoyed me the whole way through the publicity, whatever.

Yeah. I don't think it's bad for people to be cynical of that, though, because so much of that does go on. I'm not sure as much goes on. anymore is what we think. I mean, it's hard to say and hard to know that I think a lot is cooked up in publicity, publicist offices,

especially in Hollywood. Yeah, I mean, I'd say like Kylie Jenner, Timothy Shalame there's an argument for that. Yeah. But I think when you're in your 50s or 40s, whatever Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez are, I don't think you've got time for a publicity marriage. I don't know. People that are that deep in the fame game.

I don't know if it matters. I don't know, I might be wrong. I don't know. I'd be interested to see what you guys think about this because I'm not sure. With Molly May and Tommy Fury, I don't believe social media stars like that need publicity in that way

or want or necessarily cultivate it. No, it definitely feels like more of a Hollywood thing. It feels more of an image thing. It feels more of like the two leads of a rom-com Yes. It happened to get together before the brink. rest or like that seems more yeah staging a breakup when you've got a child just before you're releasing a clothing eye it doesn't feel no I don't think so and I think maybe there might have

been a lot of that back in the day but I don't think if she if they want to be if they want to do that do you like make content yeah breaking up is not content breaking up is going offline is pulling back I feel like from everything we've seen it's real oh yeah I'm sure I have no doubt. It's real. Oh, my God. We haven't even talked about that girl that's, like, proudly on TikTok saying that she's, she was the reason that they broke up. You sent me a video of her, winging herself. Yeah. Could I don't without that, Al, actually. I'm honest. I watched it like four times. It's like, who is this and what am I watching?

Because I just got this video from Alex. And it was just like, girl, like, wanking. I was like, what the fuck? On TikTok. On TikTok. I've never seen anything like it in my entire life. I watched it like seven times because, like, I don't understand. I don't understand. I was like, what? It's just shocking. But yes, she is the girl who claims to have slept with Tommy Fury when he was still with

Molly May. And she's like, release photographs and so many of them, I think they're all Photoshop. It's a very odd thing to do. It's such a strange thing to do. She's on a podcast, like, yeah, weird. Serious and tragic, horrendous news from all this was the Southport Stabbings at the Taylor Swift dance class. Of course, yeah. Which did just feel like it came at the end of a British summer of violence against women that was feral and foul and frustrating.

And then at the end of the month, Liam and Noel Gallagher announced that they were reuniting for an oasis tour. It sparked a debate about ticket prices because they went to astronomical prices. Which people were not happy about. Right. Because it didn't seem to align with the working class routes. of Liam and of the band yeah the ticket prices are the ticket prices my issues with Liam Gallagher are beyond those but I'm scared to mention them because yeah they've got a call following they do and famously has that story not been scrubbed off the internet well yeah

we tried to find it we did we talked about it didn't we yeah there were allegations and footage of Liam Gallagher assaulting his partner which have mysteriously quietened down Just disappeared. But I do remember it because I was working as a journalist at the time and I do distinctly remember it. So it happened. I've seen the footage. But yeah, it's super interesting.

I tried to get tickets, not for me, for my friend. And it's one of my stress all days in my life. She's a huge fan. I was like, I'm going to do nice thing. I had four devices open. Oh, my God. I was like, I didn't want to go. Instagram that day.

I was like, you're all giving me serious anxiety. I thought you'd be right there. I did love OASC. but to see someone in concert I have to really, really love them. I just wasn't quite there. Really? Yeah.

No, I would, they are. They're made, like, little by little, one of the best songs ever. They'd have released some banging music. Yeah. It would be amazing to go. It'd be very interested to see if the black brands are taking influencer groups.

Well, they won't be taking us. They certainly won't be taking me, that's for sure. They certainly won't be taking me. I wonder if they will, though, because people get cross, people were cross that. People were cross, that people were cross, that people crossed that Taylor was yeah I think Louise Thompson copped the biggest because she put up a post saying I'm not Taylor Swift fans I don't really get it

and people were very cross that she'd got a ticket to very highly demand it you know tickets were so expensive yeah she she got a lot of backlash for that it's interesting yeah I mean it's the same when influencers go to F1 yeah get cross I'd love to go to F1 no can I go and can you not get across with me. I would invite me. I'd love to go. We're fine. We'd be allowed to go now, I think we've got legitimate fan status, but people will just... Have we? I think I would. You would. I don't. Well, I just watched Drive to Survive. Do you not? Well, I just watch the races as they happen. I'd dip in and out. Pre-tommy, I'd watch them and like nap at the same time and just like wake up, like what's happening, go back to sleep because they last so long. Anyway,

like a cat. September. Chapel Rhone. Another boundaryed woman. spoke about fan interactions after her rapid rise to fame. She said, shall I say what she said? Say what she said. For the past 10 years, I've been going nonstop to build my project and it's come to the point that I need to draw lines and set boundaries. I've wanted to be an artist for a very long time. I've been in too many non-consensual, physical and social interactions

and I just need to lay out and remind you, women don't owe you shit. I chose this career path because I love music and art and honoring my inner child. I do not accept harassment of any kind because I chose this path, nor do I deserve it. When I'm on stage, when I'm performing, when I'm in drag, when I'm at work event, when I'm doing press, I'm at work, any of the circumstance, I am not in work mode, I am clocked out. And people weren't happy. People were not happy. What do you think about that?

I've actually listened to a lot of people talk about this and debate this. And I definitely fall on the side of, this is fair enough. Yes. And people can buy into her and be fans of her and support her art without, them feeling like she owes them something should they bump into her on the street? People can also disregard this because they were disregarding it anyway.

I think this is a really interesting thing when someone vocalises their boundary. The only people who will be upset with you putting a boundary down to the people that were going to cross it in the first place, the people that serve to benefit from you not having any, basically.

And I think this is a really interesting thing when someone lays one down like this where they say, I don't want this. I won't tolerate this anymore. If somebody's got an issue, with that, they were going to disrespect that person anyway. So they can continue to do so. Her words are actually irrelevant.

So when people get very angry, if you're of the view that celebrities owe you everything, anything, access, their words aren't going to change your mind. Their refusal to be part of it isn't going to change your mind. You've always had that view. If you have a view that celebs are people and the singers are allowed privacy, and whatever, if you've got that compassion within you, then you'll hear what she's going to say. So what she's saying is actually quite irrelevant.

And I think it's really interesting how angry everyone got. And it was just like, it's actually fairly inconsequential because you're going to do what you're going to do anyway. And I listen to a lot of things about this because I was interested about it. And I was intrigued as to how many people kind of contested that view or contested that boundary and said, well, when people are her fan,

when they invest in her, they are entitled to access to her. And I just, I can't, none of me can get on board with that. But they have access to her. That's the thing they have access. They have access to what they like. They have access to what they like. It's her music, it's her performances. That is what you are buying into, you're investing into.

Because that's what she's selling. That's what she's selling. And that's what she's also projecting, like putting out to the general public. Like her the performer, the artist, not her the person. If you see her on the street, her, the person, she doesn't know you anything. And if you need that, if you need more than she's giving, you need to work out what the fuck that is. Because that's bizarre. Right.

And that's this really weird entitlement that we have. And I don't know where that comes from. Yeah. I don't know what are we craving a connection. What are we craving that we need more and more and more? Yeah. And we need everything from everybody because that's actually not normal. it's yeah it's not normal it's like a very complicated part of this parasocial

relationship yeah dynamic when yeah i was i was totally on her side with that we need to really explore within ourselves i think it's an individualistic thing we need to really explore boundaries because i get it sometimes like and i'll get it really weirdly with like i don't know like a friend's new boyfriend or someone whatever and then i'll like oh i'll google him and then it's like i looked at his lincoln and i'm like oh no and i'll get like annoyed it's oh you've got a private instagram that's annoying and it's like that should not annoy me That should not annoy. That's a fucking alarm bell going that annoys me.

But I don't sit with that. Like if an Instagrammer doesn't tell me something, if an influencer emits a detail, if a celebrity, whatever, if it annoys me, I've got to work that out. That's between me and me. Yeah. But we don't do a lot of that. And I think that comes back to what we were saying before

about the stripping of the humanity. Well, we're not good at looking inwards. This is the thing. Famously, we're not good at looking inwards. It's much easier to project outwards than it is to look inward. it's painful to look inwards. She is well within her rights. Of course she is. As men do, they just don't have to fucking say it. With all this being said, if you come up to us on the street, we're going to be so nice to you. I'll be delighted.

But men don't need to say. We have not reached these levels of fame. No, no. We are a long way away from a statement like that. But men do not need to put out a statement and say, respect my boundaries. No. Because their boundaries probably have haven't been crossed in the same ways that hers have. Right. The sexual boundaries, the touching, the invasion. We've seen the media, we see the media go for women in a way that doesn't go for men. We see women go for women in a way that we don't go for men.

We just see people go for women. Yeah. It pisses me off. Also September, Anna Delvey. Oh my God. And Adelvie, one of the most famous con artists of our time, was a contestant on Dancing with the Stars with an ankle monitor. That's another baby reindeer situation.

That's another criminal. Yes. A male criminal probably wouldn't have got dancing on ice or dancing with the stars. But we did see Jeremy Meeks get a modelling contract after his mugshot. We did, that's true. And on the day that we're recording, the man suspected of killing the insurance broker in New York. Luigi Manjone. Luigi Manjoni has just been caught.

And the internet's gone insane because he's so good looking. Yeah. posting pictures of him without his top on showing off his apps all the comments are like he couldn't possibly have murdered someone he was with me that night

like we were eating pizza together like that couldn't be him is that what they're saying they're all saying that they'll visit him in prison whatever you know it's just become this big it's this one this picture of him with a backpack on with his top off very interesting

there's pretty privilege to be had in that but back to Anna Delve Delphine it. That is, I wonder, maybe it's just something we allow beautiful people. I think that's got something to do with her, definitely. Well, yeah. The fact that she was glamorous and attractive. It's very interesting.

The public allowments we make. I know. The loopholes that we create. This September chat GPT was inconclusive. I'm deciding that the Blake lively ends with us, controversy, controversied. came to her head we got some shit we did we got some shit bad we that was the week i moved to house that was horrendous it was horrendous um didn't enjoy that nope no that was horrible no regrets though um yes regrets regrets on the trailer no regrets on the episode i made the trailer

and i regret the trailer because yeah no and yeah i mean i actually think we like i ended up having some productive conversations with people yes that didn't start out very kindly um but yes, a very, a very triggering topic for sure. Yeah. Interesting that it's definitely misstepped, you know, but. She did, yeah. Did it warrant the backlash? No.

No. Absolutely absurd. No. I wonder what her career looks like now. I'd be really interested to see how we're going next year. I think she's been advised to go to ground. I would, yeah, I agree. And just wait it out.

Yeah. And I wonder if that'll work. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either, which is a shame. Yeah. Because her crime, you know what I mean? Like, Trump's back.

I feel like we could probably make an allowance for Blake Lively. Right. She was toned death. Completely toned death. And that's the end of that. Yeah. Maggie Smith also died in September. Oh.

Which is horrendous. That's horrendous. I can't. Like, Maggie? Oh, no good. Oh, God, an October was no good. October was no good either because obviously that was when. and pain died.

Which is so surreal. And it played out, like, blow by blow on the internet. We've done another episode about that. In painful detail. Yeah. And shocking detail as well. Like TMZ published a photo of his body, which is horrific. And his family found out via TikTok, which is horrific.

Absolutely unbelievable. And yes, we've done an episode on that. If anyone wants to go back and listen to our thoughts on it. on that. The P. Diddy scandal. Yes. I'm like, the day of recording, Jay-Z has been named in a lawsuit. Accused of raping a 13-year-old girl as part of this P. Diddy case. Yeah. It's insane. Insane. Absolutely insane. I actually have, you were texting me about this a couple of nights ago and saying, you know, all this P-Diddy's just crazy. And I said, where are you getting this news? Because it's not I'm not really getting like you know normally you kind of go to your places for credible

news on stuff and I don't really know where to go I know I've I've just been looking on TikTok but arguably it's not bad not the best place for like non-biased news it's really yeah it's really it's really interesting it kind of has this same like ring to it is this like the Epstein island thing where you know there are people talk about these lists and people talk about these parties and about this being this big insider thing and all the A-list are involved and everybody's part of it and I don't know. I mean like I don't I don't think it's like that what I hope is that there aren't actively celebrities like human trafficking sex trafficking do you know what I mean? I'm I'm not in my mind that there are blind eyes turned but when

people talk about these parties I'm like please tell me that it's not, you know, it's not like bringing in kids or whatever, you know what I mean? And that everyone's like complicit. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. It's just like, the longer we go on like the more and more people. I know. More and more things come to light about more and more people and it's terrifying.

You do think that. I'm like, what do you all, what the fuck are you all doing? But I think what scares me is just like, is that they are the, yes, they're celebrities, but like at the end of the day, they're all just. There's not something like common between them. Like they're just people. And then that makes me scared about like all people. I think the word you're looking for is men, which is really frightening.

Yes, men. Because it is, because it's not, obviously it's not all men. But this is, but that's been a presiding. I actually saw a really interesting take on this with, um, with that horrible case in France. Giselle, Giselle Perdot. I think I'm mispronouncing her son. name, but the woman who took her husband to court and he was found guilty of not only raping her, but for eliciting 50 local men to rape her too. So he would drug his wife and invite the

neighbours round. And I was talking to my mum about this the other day and it was like, who are the 50 people? Who the fuck is doing that? And they did not live. It's not like central London. They lived in a small French town and he managed to find 50 people. Don't. I can't think about it. It's so depressing. It's so depressing. And terrifying. It's so depressing. And interestingly, I saw an Instagram posted there I sent to you actually of a girl that we both follow. She's an influencer. I don't know if it's her main thing anymore. But so I've known her, I've kind of known her a bit, followed her for a few years. And she did this big post about how she's sick of man hating.

She's sick of everybody saying that men are the problem and like, blah, blah, and actually the caption was a bit unhinged because she said at the end, like, if you're having a problem, if you've had more than one problem with men, then the common denominator is you, like, if your issues with, if you've got issues with men, it's because of you. You're the common denominator because you're the one in all those situations. And somebody commented underneath saying, was. Giselle, Perdo, the common denominator in that case.

And it was a really... She turned their comments off, I know. She did. All the comments. Yes, all the comments have gone. That one was an incredible point. Yes. Yeah.

Because of course it's not. Of course she's not. In the same way that, you know, of course you're not as a, it was a horrible victim, it was a really victim blaming post and I didn't like the wording at all. But that sort of sims.

Like that, such a shame. They set us back so much. It's so, yeah. and do so much of the work that people have done. But it's, it's frustrating because as you say it there, and I just said it then, you said people and I corrected you and I said men. And I get annoyed with myself because there's decks behind the curtain who obviously were not including when we talk like that.

My husband down the corridor who obviously were not including when we talk like that. But it's like we can't ignore a huge, like, they have 50 people in their local town. Oh, God. One of them was a fucking doctor. but that's the thing that's not like they're all psychopaths they've all got this this they walk among us yeah they walk among us yeah and that's the thing that that's the pill that no one is swallowing it's the pill that people keep spitting out and it's like i know it doesn't taste nice you've got to acknowledge this this isn't happening in isolation this isn't happening because there's a couple

of lunatics around london going around raping with 97% of young girls between 80s and 24 having experienced sexual harassment that's not one or two men doing that they wouldn't have the time it's so depressing this year has felt a lot for this isn't it it's just felt a lot and November didn't cheer us up

Donald Trump won Donald Trump won of course the fuck was that what the fuck was that it's so annoying fascinating the bro vote man The bro, yeah, yeah. That's another thing I'd love to do an episode on.

I would, what, the, the bros? Well, I did an episode, while you were poorly with the chest infection, I interviewed an upcoming guest. I'll drop his name in it, comedian Russell Kane. I know. Big deal. Big deal, yeah. Scatch us in the new year.

And we talked a bit about this in the episode, and it made me want to do a much bigger episode on it. But the division between men and women at the moment, and it felt like the election. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a big part of that. And Joe Rogan, I mean, his endorsement of Trump on his podcast is said to have gone a long way. I mean, they had a two-hour interview, two-and-a-half-hour interview, which can't be underplayed relevance.

It's the biggest podcast in the world. It's literally the biggest podcast in the world. And, yeah, it's not problematic. No. It's weird, isn't it? It's a bit depressing. I mean, the thing is, I don't know enough about politics, but I am so intrigued as to how it's come to be that he managed to win the election. I am so fascinated.

And I do think that it's got to be studied because it's like, I think it would be remiss not to, economically, Trump's success can't be understated in terms of how the average voter votes. I think people felt that he was good. for the economy yeah yeah and therefore good for them and good for their you know individualistically i i i hope that that was the thing that that swayed people because if it's not everything else everything else is bad everything else is close the shut the borders turn people away taking away people's rights taking away women's rights what was the last

of it from his supporters after he won your body my choice your body my choice yeah that's I feel like that says it all I was really interested actually I posted a video about that on Instagram and I lost about a thousand followers in about two hours oh and I was really interested which one I didn't see this I don't think it was to there it was a trending audio and I and I basically put it was a couple of weeks back in November and I put the voiceover of a sort of political pundit, an American political pundit, Republican guy, born in 1998, which is fucking depressing, who's had private dinners with Donald Trump. And he was doing this big podcast and he was basically celebrating Trump having won.

And he was saying, your body, my choice, like women will never win. Men win again. Like glass ceiling, it's a ceiling made of fucking bricks. Like, you will never, we will always be on top. And this is the audio and I just put it over, whatever. And I put the text box saying, do you hear how emboldened they are to shout the things they used to whisper? Because that's always been the thing that's frightened me the most about Trump is the voices that he empowers, the rhetoric that is allowed to exist as part of his presidency. To breed.

And I was really interested to see how. I'm so many people who have followed you. It's really strange. Really strange. It's really strange because I just, I can't imagine that anyone following you would oppose that message. No, I was really struck by it. Yeah. Yeah.

I got a ton of messages, though, from women saying I voted Trump. I didn't even have the conversations with them because at the end of the day, like it's... It feels like Turkey's for Christmas. You heard of Turkey's voting for Christmas. Why would you vote for Christmas? Turkey's get killed at Christmas. The expression is... Oh, I see.

I see. Turkey's vote for Christmas. Yeah, it's like Turkey's voting for Christmas. It's like, why would we vote for Christmas? It's like, why would women vote for Trump? It's like you're voting to just have your rights taken away. It's my mission to get that into a sentence today somehow. It disappoints me and it also confuses me.

And I hope it is economic. I hope that people believe that he's good for the environment. Not the environment, so that he's good for the economy. Because if it's, and they're putting everything else aside because they have to, selfishly. It's fucking depressing. It's fucking terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. And I mean, I can talk about it for ages

But we won't because it's just too depressing Good news from November in our personal lives George E Swallow celebrated five years cancer free She did And something we haven't talked about That it would, I would like to bring up quickly It's Bonnie Blue and the rise of sex, this sex Yeah, this is this is crazy

Before we go This is crazy Because it's kind of happening now Bonnie Blue if you don't know Is she's a sex worker She's a TikToker she has been selling or giving away I don't know if she's been selling actually

but she's been going to universities and having sex with however many men in a night as part of these sort of like challenges or like video formats and it's like she's basically like offering virgins the chance to sleep with her and they don't have to pay money

as long as they agree they give their image away basically as long as they can be filmed can be filmed and then that is put on only fans yes i think it's behind a paywall yes and then i mean she's one of a few people doing this sort of thing there was one girl in this sort of same industry who did it with 101 men in the night the night yeah in the 24-hour period fuck i just want to know what it was like in the corridor like in the way in the queue like i'm awkward enough in any queue do you know what i mean It's terribly awkward, cute.

Terribly, like, you don't want to be, you don't want to be, like, I don't want to be, like, the guy in front of you, you're like, you've got, you know what I mean? Like, she's unashamed about what she's doing as well. She's doubling down on it. She's, she's very, yeah. I'm not sure if that's the problematic thing, particularly about her, because I'm like, well, is that you're right? I don't, yes, I suppose so.

Her language, however, about what she's doing. Yeah. Super problematic. She called them barely legal, right? Yeah. And she says that she, that she's there for the men whose wives won't do it. And like, if you're not going to have sex with your husband, then of course he's going to cheat on you because you're not fulfilling your wifely duties. And it's this kind of. Sounds, yeah, sounds really rational. Pick me. Yeah. This is, yeah, it kind of feels like a rise of everything we've been saying about, though. You know, the child. Tad wives. Yeah. it's sort of really protecting the sort of patriarchal archetype and there are lots of women upholding this at the moment too there are and that's probably you know something to I think that's a 2024 thing right the rise of the tradwife for sure and something again we want to explore in the new year we actually've been looking for someone to speak to

about it yes let's do an episode on it yeah I really really want to I'm fast I'm getting deeper and deeper into it yes I'm fascinated about it I keep getting served it on Instagram it's She's just so good at cooking now. I think so. They know that there's a gap. Yeah, she's a housewife in the making. Yeah, she, we could get her. I saw a video last night.

I keep getting served a lot of Christian videos. Yeah. And then one last night was like, I'm not raising three daughters. I'm raising three wives. I had her kids like baking in front of her, her three girls. I was like, God, that's fucking sad. Yeah. It's a conversation.

And again, we'll have it in the new year that I had with a friend of mine recently. who has been, since she's had children, she's been in a more of traditional position. She's not actually married, but she is raising, she, for the first couple of years, wasn't really working. And she felt that a lot of the anti-tradwife top conversation rhetoric was actually very dismissive of her role as a mother. And I think that's really interesting.

And I think it's something we need to be really careful of when we had this conversation. Because there is a lot of very problematic trad wife, content. And there is this sort of like, you know, really upholding the patriarchal stuff, really keeping women down. And there's a lot of very insidious stuff. But we need to be careful when we talk about it that we're not lambasting housewives and we're not judging women who don't do paid work because raising children is work and being a housework is work. But yeah, I was, I was tricky. It's a tricky thing to talk about. And it's tricky content to

see even when it's like non-problematic housewife stuff. Because we've fought so hard to like, move away from that stereotype or like move away from that gender role yeah but like it's kind of it's hard to see that and see it in a positive light which but like fundamentally it's of course it's fine if you want to be a stay-at-home wife it's your choice and it's great it's kind of more than fine in the at the moment I think the thing that's breaking a lot of women in half is the fact that we have to work financially it is pretty much impossible in London I'm going to say actually impossible in London yeah And pretty much because there's always extenuating.

But for families, one income is not going to be enough to have a family living comfortably in London. Absolutely not. So women are being, because it's always women, because we do have to carry more broken in half by the expectation to work. So it is not in and of itself a bad thing to see a woman not working because I hope when I see that, I think, God, I hope that's a more peaceful option for you. I hope that's the one you chose. I hope this is giving you more peace than when you were trying to do both. things we're trying to do everything it always feels like a sacrifice and you're right it's jarring because it's yeah it is it's jarring but then that's the thing as well it's like there's some of

the content is aimed at working mothers as well and triggers me yeah instantly you know as someone who's i've struggled with working and being mom like so badly because i found it almost impossible so hard and just heartbreaking and then i'll get videos like oh you know I would never send him away where he he'll have his first with someone else like for someone else or you know things like this or you know I here I am sitting at home at 11 a.m on a Tuesday feeding him his things because why would I let someone else do that for me? And I'm like but you don't understand that is such a privilege that you get to do that or it isn't and she's in a situation that she doesn't want to be in and she's having to make the best of it. Well I don't know. And a lot of people were saying like can you. you see how this is like, this hurts me. And she was like, everyone has a choice. I was like not, some people don't. Most people don't.

A choice. And okay, yeah, like, we're making the best choices we think, we're making the best choices in tough situations. Yes, we have a choice, but it's not always the choice. It's not always the best choice. Maybe her content isn't as problematic as I'm making it out to be.

Maybe I, well, not maybe, I am just very triggered by it because I'm like, don't say that because I have to work. I can't not work. Don't say that. and it makes me feel so guilty. It just, it's setting women up to feel again. Yes.

But like Dave has never once been made to feel bad about not being at home with Tommy. No. And he doesn't, and as a result, he doesn't, the difference between us is stark. Yeah. The difference. There is zero guilt on his end. Zero guilt. It's not, there's, it's just no big deal when he leaves, when he has to leave, whatever.

It's just, whereas for me, it's an ordeal. And I do think a lot of that, it. maybe it's to do with like maternal wiring. I don't know. I actually don't know. But I think a huge part of it as well is societal expectation. Yeah, for sure. Because we're expected to be with our kids constantly 24-7.

And you're made to feel like a bad. Mum, if you don't. If you don't. Yeah. But you'd also be made to feel bad. Fuck, if you weren't working out, people would be giving you just as hard a time. You just can't win.

Yeah. And you'd be targeted stuff on the other side of the algorithm. Yeah. About how you're setting feminism back by staying at home and blah, blah, blah, blah. You just can't fucking in. We need to do an episode about tradwives in the EU. We do. We do.

We'll get to it. And I feel like, I mean, current news. Siri is a mess, but I don't think we need to get into that right now. It is. Yeah. I mean, there are lots of global conflicts that we haven't really touched on. We can't. We sort of.

Do them justice, I don't think. Especially in. For a few reasons. Unlimited time frame. And also brains. It's Christmas. That's all this left. It's fucking Christmas.

That's all that's left. And's about to give birth. Yeah. Soon. Yeah. Very exciting. Yeah, last day in the studio. We're out of here.

We're out of here. We've got a couple of best bits for you in the weeks to come. And then in January... Oh, big... Oh, big series. Big series. Guys, if you don't listen, if it flops, I quit. Actually, I genuinely will be devastated.

I quit. I quit. We haven't... I'll go. We haven't sort of factored that possibility into any of our plans. No. it's very much been it's just going to fly

and I hope that it does I hope that it does we've worked so hard on it and I know that if it like I would want to listen to it I would be gagging to listen to it so I hope you guys are too I hope you enjoy it

I do too and I just want to say because I will be gone for a little bit the biggest thank you I suspect the crossover of people who've been supportive in my DMs and people who listen to the podcast is probably entire.

It's like a full circle for all the support over the last like eight or nine months because it's been debt hard, really, really hard. But I have been given a lot of space to not only be ill, but just to be depressed and confused. And I'm really grateful for that because I think I wouldn't have been able to do this in my first pregnancy. I wouldn't have felt like safe enough to be as vulnerable as what I have been. I think the pod's been a really big part of that and the community that we've created.

So I'm really grateful to you all for giving me just a lot of like love and grace and space and the chance to hold two things like my joy at being pregnant and having another baby and my real struggle at what is taken to make her. You deserve it. You deserve all the love and the grace and the compassion. It has been so difficult, so hard. I can't even put a step into it, like imagining how hard it's been. But you've almost, you've done it, you're there.

Yeah, we've done it. It's literally the home stretch. And I'm going to, I just can't wait. I'm coming back. Like, I just can't wait to come back. And I can't wait for next year. And I'm so excited already for, not just a series, but I'm really excited to just come back and be back to my,

myself because I, oh fuck I mean I hope so. I put you a lot of pressure. Yeah, no, you will, you will. Get on to that another time. Get that placenta out. You're going to be fine. Bin it. Yeah, you'll be great. Get that placenta. We'll be getting you all the foods, all the coffees, your silly little lattes. They'll be back in business. It's going to be gorgeous. And we've already got some amazing guests lined up, guests and topics lined up for next year. But as always, we are open to suggestions. If there's anyone or anything you'd like to hear from and about please let us know we'd love to hear from you but a huge thank you to all of you for the most supportive year it's well yeah as i'm said it's been difficult in like different ways

i've also struggled to like live this year and never mind work so yeah we just want to thank you for being there every step of the way and also for coming to our people who came to our tour thank you so much like those moments are so so special to us and we are just ever so grateful for you guys five million downloads this year we're into our own studio the team's grown the dreams are bigger we hope the series is a success and yeah 2025 yeah it's going to be stunning i can't wait we'll see you then happy christmas love you all love you all thanks guys bye should i delete that is part of the ACAS creator network.