Should I Delete That? - Blame it on the Moon: Understanding Astrology

Episode Date: April 23, 2023

In this week's episode, Em and Alex are joined by astrologer Francesca Oddie. Francesca shares her journey into astrology and explores what Em and Alex's birth charts say about them. As avid listeners will be well aware, Alex is a skeptic of astrology, can Francesca persuade her of the power of the stars? So, whether you are a cynic or a fanatic, you're sure to take something from this episode!Follow Francesca on Instagram @francescaoddieastrology Follow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] & edited by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're animals and we're responding to nature and astrology is nature and it's, are you going to, you don't have to check the weather forecast, you don't have to take your umbrella, you can just get wet, big deal, but it's nice to know if it's going to rain and you take your brolly and that's it really. Hello, I'm welcome back to Should I Delete That? I'm Alex Light. And I'm in Clarkson and I have a terrible cold and I feel very sorry. for myself, but I'm not going to mention it, because that's just a kind of person that I am. Your voice does sound funny. You, like, voice noted me yesterday, and it sounded like your tonsils

were heavy, like balls. Like balls? Yeah. I don't know, that's how I saw it in my head, like big balls, like testicles in your mouth. They sounded heavy and dense. Oh, my, fucking, God. What the hell? I don't know what that came from. What the hell? Two dense testicles in your mouth. Brilliant. I was like, I'm probably. yes, may I need to say that's what I sounded like to everyone. Like, you're choking on two massive balls.

That's what it was. You know when people have that, when you can tell they've got sore strait of sore tonsils, it's like, like, kind of like style like that. And I, in my head, the visual is like, you, it's not even visual. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I wish I hadn't suddenly. I wish you hadn't suddenly thing too.

Just ruined my cold. I was enjoying it up till then. Um, no, that's my bad. My immune system. Pray for a, yeah, my immune system is normally so good. And this is the second time since I've always been born that I have just died. Is it a thing? After pregnancy, your immune system is weaker.

Is that a thing? Maybe he's just as I'm tired. I seem to be giving all of my resources to her, which is fine. That's the thing, isn't it? You're passing on a lot to her. She's worth it. Oh, yeah. In short, having a baby can have a dramatic effect on your immune system,

both during and after pregnancy, particularly for breastfeeding mothers. So it's a thing. Right. Well, I should have read the teas and seeds, so that's all I know. I mean, that doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, it kind of feels right. Anyway, do we get the bards out of the way?

Do you want to get your bad out of the way? And then we can just go up, up, up. Yeah, my bad. Do you know what? It's been a while since I had a full-on existential crisis, but I had one with a bang. I had a big one. Welcome back.

Welcome back. Thank you. you i missed it um i i i do you know what i watch this ticot video and it was like i like the philosophy side of ticot i find it really fun and interesting and um so to be to be to be honest i'm often faced with this question but i think it hit me at a particularly vulnerable time and the question was like well what actually is the meaning of life like why are we here like what is the point of us well when i tell you like the next two hours i was like dave i'm having panic attack. Dave, I'm having a panic attack. I can't do this. I can't do this. I don't have any

purpose. I don't have any meaning. What is the meaning? There is no meaning. Life has no meaning. I was like furiously Googling quotes on the meaning of life, none of which offered up any kind of reassurance. It was bad. I want to change the hashtag. I don't want to pray for him anymore. I think everybody needs to pray for Dave. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot. He was like, but you know, you with your job like you help people like surely that's a purpose i was like no no it's not yeah also barking at him why do people need help what is the point exactly why why are we all so sad oh god now you've got me going no i know i know i just i'm i just think we're here for a good time here for a long time do a bunch of drugs no i'm kidding don't do that but you say that here for a

good time but then but then most of our lives is bogged down with fucking admin and and cleaning our clothes and washing dishes and plumping cushions. Well, that's like what's point in capitalism. Well, um, Haig. Haig. Haig. Feng shui. Hous. Interior. What's the point in interiors? What's the point? Life

at its purest is gas. It's all the other shit we don't like. Jobs. Responsibilities. Oh, my sister's in a pickle. She's just moved into a place on her own for the first time. She's not, I mean, she's, she's very overwhelmed. She's like, I just hate moving in somewhere. The studio list is so long. I was like, that's not just moving in.

Like, that's just being an adult. She's like, but the sink's blocked. I'm like, sinks get blocked, babe. It's just what happens. No, I'm with Katia. I'm with Katia. Like, why should we have to deal with this? Well, you can not deal with it if you want.

And just live in chaos. Yes. Flabbed out. Fuck it. What's the point? This spiral has made me feel extremely unanchored is the only word. I feel untethered. I feel volatile.

and unstable. And that's where I'm at right now. My great friend. My dependable colleague. Yeah. The person I fully rely on for my career. Untethered. I'm volatile.

And unstable. Don't forget unstable. Brilliant. Have you got anything good in this sea of despair? I'll lift us back up. Thank God. I'll lift us back up. I'm going to lift us back up with a video that I really,

liked. I feel like we've kind of talked about this before in some ways, but I just really liked how this girl said it, okay? Buckle in. Do you mean to tell me that you found the meaning of life? Can I just thought? Is that the good? The bad is that you didn't know the meaning of life and the good is that you found it? Also on TikTok? Um, not, do you know what? That would make for a really good story arc. So yeah, let's say that. Like that. Perfect. That closes the loop of this badness. What are we? Okay. You know what? I just, I don't have made it, they, they, they, they needed to have bothered with the Bible if they could have just waited for TikTok. Like the meaning of life, it's all here. Literally. Literally. TikTok's the best thing in the world. Okay. You ready?

Yeah, born ready. Secret hack to life is being a cringy loser. And let's unpack. We don't do so many things because we're scared about people thinking that we're cringe. Someone from our high school sending your post to somebody. Could be the least cringy person ever. You could be on Forbes 30 under 30, making a million dollars living in New York. Harvard educated. And someone from your high school will still think you're a loser. possible to avoid. Being a cringy loser is inevitable. Why not just do the things that you actually want to do anyways? Confidence is not a requirement for action. If you're nervous to post a TikTok, do it and feel nervous posting it. If you don't go to the gym because you feel like a big freak

walking around the gym not knowing what you're doing, go to the gym and feel like a big freak. Also just so important to remember, it is not that deep. This is where we live. Like you and I, watching this TikTok, we live right here. How are letting Jessica from high school control your life? Also so important to remember that no one cares as much as we think. Though main character energy is good. You are some side background character. Think of a TV show and some random person in the background. That is you. People pleasing definitely comes into this as well. We don't do things because we want people to like us. You don't even like everybody. So why do you want people you don't even like to like you? This is your sign. Be a big, cringy loser in 2023. Do the things you want to do

because you owe it to your younger self to do the things we've always wanted to do. Prioritize her emotions and not that random person from high school. Isn't that wonderful? It's amazing, but I need to ask who is it from high school that you are so scared of um god it's new fear unlocked for me because i it hasn't occurred to me that people might send my posts to each other saying that i'm cringe oh but i do think of that meme all the time and i live it and it's like the one and it's just a cow in a field and it's like i am cringe but i am free if that isn't me i know people send my post to other people and say they're cringe because someone once did it to me by accident, sent my post back to me.

Oh, God, yeah. And said... Someone you knew? Someone I knew. What a... And said... C, beep, beep. And said, and put in quote marks, yeah.

And I watched the video back and I said, yeah, loads. So she sent it on and then, like, put in the quotes, yeah. So she was saying, like, oh my God, listen to her. What a little bitch. Yeah, obviously affected me at the time. Obviously, turn my world upside down. But now, not so...

Obviously, now I don't really care. Now I'm over it. Oh, that's crushing. Sending it to someone that you knew. Oh, how embarrassing. How embarrassing for her. But I will say, it's someone that I knew, but there was a vibe dissonance, let's say. She was a mean girl.

I suspected she was a mean girl, but I didn't have anything concrete, any proof. And then I got that. Yeah. This is a long time ago, but yeah. Well, yeah, that girl sent me that post the other day, that sent me that sent me that message the other day that she didn't mean to send to me that she meant to send someone else. What did it? Which one?

Oh, cramming. Which one of the many hate-filled messages that I received? Please narrow it down. Oh, this is like, oh, she's so, she's this, she's that. Like, does she even have a job? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, did you mean to send this to me? And she just replied saying no. It's like, oops.

The thing, we've said this before. I know. You think it was on purpose. I've thought about her loads. I don't think it. Well, either way, sad little fucker. Let's go back to the video. Either way.

You're right. You're right. It doesn't matter what these people think. Isn't that lovely, though. Yeah. Just be a cringe and fake. A cringy loser, like, who actually cares? And at the point where she's like, this is where we live, she's showing, she's showing, like, Earth from space, you know, like, it's tiny, we're a blob.

We're not even an ant. No, literally, I keep having these. It feeds into my existential dread as well, like, so what, we're nothing, so what, so, so, anyway, go back to the video. So what, so what? Just, yolo, like, just, you're here for a good time. That's Yolo, but in a fun new way, I'm rebranding. are like fuck off all my responsibilities then and just well there's no point in me anyway so what's the point

in doing anything what's the point in fluffing up the cushions again because they defloughed don't fuck the cushions fuck the cushions don't fluff what's the point in feeding the dog I don't mean that I'm always going to feed the dog I'm always going to take care of the dog but you know what I mean you get what I mean what's what I'm hearing is that you don't like the mundanity of life I think what you need to holiday out I think that'll fix it I think a week in Tenerife and you'll come back a new

You know what? In less than a week, I am going to Tenerife, so that is a good thing. I am so excited. Not soon enough, in my opinion, because this is bleak, and I'm going to need you to do something about it. Honestly. It's a horrible energy. It's bad, isn't it? It's bad.

It's bleak. It's very bleak. It's so bleak. But on the flip side, I think you can be like, what's the point of life? There is no point in life. So I'm just going to do all these silly little things that make me happy, because there's no point worrying about the big shit. Like that's how I view.

I fluff up the cushions because one of my simple pleasure... I don't fluff up the cushions. I ask Alex to stop off on the cushions. I can't lift up the cushions after this area. I totally could now, but I've been milking that one for a while. Anyway, I do it because one of the simple pleasures

in life for me is sitting down on a fluffed sofa. I hate sitting down on an already squished one. It's just a reminder of my own weight. It's the worst. And then, like, what's the point of making a cup of tea because in a minute you have the simple pleasure of drinking it. Like, so I just like all those little things. That's actually a really nice reframe because I was starting to get really

head up about why I have to make my bed every morning. But if you, if you then take, if you then reframe that, and it's so I can go upstairs at night time and see this. It's a gift to yourself. Yeah, okay, okay, I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Like, you go on your stupid little walk because you get these lovely little endorphins or you go on your stupid little walk so you can get your silly little latte. And then it's like, the latte is going to make me happy. So why have I got to pay for this because I will pay for it because it makes me happy? Like, you know, you're doing everything for a reason. And if you can't have a good answer to your own why, then you shouldn't be doing it.

Okay, okay. And it's simplestful. Okay. My life now is just going to be one big why. Again, well, why is my favourite question? I was a really petting little kid, my poor mum. Oh my God, I bet. Why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, bye, bye, do you have a good?

I do, despite the fact that I am on death store. Um, before that, I went on my first night out since Ollo was born. I went to the theatre with my mum. I left Olo at home with her dad and a bottle. How was it? Amazing. Well, no, I mean, I didn't like being away from her to do you know. I totally cried.

No, when I left the theatre, I walked, I couldn't get a fucking cab. Because you know, 6,000 cabbies retired during COVID. So sad. So I could not get a cab. So I left, left square, walked all the way to Trafalgar Square. I was cold. I was tired. could not get a cab for love or money.

We shout to that by all these horrible men in Leicester Square that made me cry. And then I was just crying, I mean, music video a moment, or what, crying, running around to Falk Square, literally running, looking for a cab. And this girl was like, are you okay? I was like, I just need to go. And she was like, okay. We'll go home, sweetheart. Anyway, and then I found a cab eventually after like fucking half an hour, which is a long time

when it's midnight, and you just, like, just, what is a long time. Your booms are fucking, like, just popping off. And then I got in a cab, and the guy was like, it's okay, you're safe enough. I was like thanks buddy um anyway the play was great if not fucking traumatizing and it was just really nice to know that like I can leave the baby yeah like yeah she I am a dependable but I am not the dependable okay she still does need my milk but it like I don't need to physically be there okay 24 hours a day because I've been with her pretty much 24 hours a day since she was born yeah okay that's cool nice well done proud of you that's great thank you and all was fine at

home with Alex. Oh, it's fine at home. Yeah, she took the bottle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was absolutely fine. She's, we're really, really lucky. Um, like some, I've got friends who've babies just will not take the bottle or he, like, can't pump and like all this stuff. So I've kept expecting it to go wrong. And it still might, but I've just been really lucky. I've been fine at pumping. I literally left enough milk for like an army of babies. Like, so many babies. Um, and yeah, she was totally fine. They thrived. I mean, he was like, yeah, we didn't need you at all. I was like, well, you need to be a bit.

Like, steady on. I am her mother. He was saying it to be nice, but, but, don't hear that. I was like, no, no, you miss me. Come on. You miss me. There's always an angle. I get it.

Yeah. Oh, that's really nice. I'm really glad. And it was with your mum, so that's nice. That's really lovely. It was lovely. And she doesn't mind that all I wanted to do was like check on the baby. She wanted to check on her too.

I was watching the monitor. She's like, let me see, let me see. Anyway, anything awkward. Awkward. My awkward is not necessarily awkward, but it's just something I wanted to talk about on the podcast. So I've kind of shoehorned it in to my awkward. I did a confessions,

I did a confessions box and someone spoke about fantasizing about other men, even though she's married, she's got a husband, but she still fantasizes about other men. And especially during ovulation, And I have discovered this whole new world. I had absolutely no idea.

Like, okay, I haven't experienced it myself because I don't, well, I'm sure I ovulate, but it's, I don't regularly obviate because my period is just all over the place. But it's a real thing. Apparently it's a very real thing that when you ovulate, you're like, hypersexual, attracted to men that you possibly wouldn't normally be and attracted to men that aren't your partner. I'm guessing, I don't, I don't know what happens for lesbians, actually.

I don't know, you know. Do you reckon they're attracted to other women at that? Or do you reckon? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, there, there you go. Daisy, if you could, can you insert the answer to?

Not that you're the spokesperson for all lesbians, but on this podcast you are. You as a lesbian, please may you tell us what happens, if anything. Hello. Yes, good question. But I personally do find that I'm really horny during ovulation, which I find confusing, because biologically speaking, if the point of getting horny during your ovulation, that's because that is when you're your most fertile, right? But a person with a vagina can't impregnate another person with a vagina.

So it's kind of redundant. But anyway, nonetheless, it still exists. And I do find myself horny during ovulation and wanting to have sex with women. Interesting. So it's not your awkward, it's just a collective awkward for couples everywhere. To be honest, it's not awkward at all, but I just really wanted to talk about it because I just find it fascinating. Like, how, I'm only 35 years old and I've never heard of this. I've never heard that this is a thing. And so many people replied and were like, yeah,

oh my God, every time. And a lot of people replied and were like, I have always felt like a really bad person because I'm thinking about someone other than my partner at this time, you know, and I'm, I've always just thought like, I'm just, yeah, I'm just a bad person. actually this makes so much sense. Like, biologically, it makes a lot of sense. And I just thought that was crazy. Like, it's just, it's so mad the amount of stuff that we don't know about our bodies. Isn't it?

Yeah. But that's sex ed. We need better sex ed. Yeah. Another example. Yeah. Okay, my awkward, quickly, before we get into the interview. Okay, so I'm obviously not very well this week.

And Alex, I didn't know. No, I know. I've hardly mentioned that. I've been a real little trooper. I've not been well. And Alex has been really busy at work. And the house has just become an absolute shit state. Like, we've got a new baby.

Like, there's my, the mice of, well, the mice are now dead. Um, but there's been a smell. It's been a whole thing. And it's been really getting me down. They died in the wall. It's been obscene. Anyway, they're supposed to die in a nice little box. They didn't, oh, guys, I didn't even tell you one came that.

Booer bought one. It's been a whole. Oh, my God. It's been a lot. It's been a lot. You're on my close friends. You saw that half dead one on the kitchen floor, but then what I thought was dead, went to go and pick it up and bam, it wasn't dead.

Anyway, it was a whole thing. No, I didn't see it. Oh, I'll send you the video. Oh, please don't. Anyway. No, I took a break up from Instagram. That's probably why, but I would like to see it. I know I actually, maybe I wouldn't.

Anyway, cool. No, you don't want to say it. Well, the mice did survive, but the smell suggests that later it didn't. Anyway, that's, I know, that's near the hair. Neither here nor there. The point is, the house was a mess, and we were like, we just need professional help just to get, you know, you just need to get back on top of everything again, and then you'll be on top of everything again.

A reset. So we found the sloppy cleaner to come and help us reset. and she was here for like five hours and it was just like, can you just help? We are desperate. Right, I was out yesterday when she arrived and Alex showed around the house

and she was like, I can't do this. Because this is disgusting. It's too much. I am leaving, you are not paying me enough. She did a great job. He goes, only when I got home, I came up the stairs, sounds like the end-up song,

Who's that woman in my bed? Anyway, sorry, I digress. I came upstairs and I realised that. And I realised that during my blocked duct era, I was using whatever vibrators I could find to try and get the blocked ducked out. And because my life's a mess,

they were all just sort of on the floor next to my bed, kind of on under Arlo's cot. Oh. And I came back yesterday and she'd just sort of stacked them up. Oh, God. And I just thought, well, that's nice. isn't it? She just thinks I need a bit of variety at this postpartum period of my life. So embarrassing. How many? How many we're talking? Like four? Oh, wow. I know.

It was like desperate times. I went to the love, you know, love, I've got my love honey stash of stuff that I just, I don't use, but I've worked with love honey, and I've talked about this before, and they send everything because I'm too awkward to ask for one specific thing, so I say, or send whatever, and they always send a lot. I bet what she was so confused. Yeah, and I'll never see her again, Al. She was here for one time just to help us get on top of our shit. And so that's it. That's her lasting impression of me. I never have a chance to redo it. I bet she'll tell the story as well. Of course you go. She'd be like, you wouldn't believe what I saw this new mother. Baby, honestly, couldn't have been more than two months old,

and she was just fucking going for it. Husband said that she's cracking on at six in the morning with him lying next to her. Loll, dildo's everywhere. Oh, she's. shambles. Anyway, so that's nice. I just, yeah, I mean, never see her again. Although I do, I feel like she's seen, she's seen, she's seen worse. She's seen, she's seen worse or she's seen better, you know, she'll have, she'll have seen it all, but. You've seen other things. I enjoy it. Well, well done. Okay. I love that. Thank you. Well, we now have an interview for you. Do you know what? We talk about horoscopes and astrology a lot on this podcast. So we thought it would be a good idea to get in an expert. So obviously Alex is the biggest horoscope cynic ever and I am a bit

fanatical, but I'm that kind of fun fanatic where I don't really know anything specific beyond myself and what Google's told me. So, Francesca came to talk to us about, I mean, us and the stars and the, oh God, this is not going to help with your existential. Very well-timed, though. The stars and the moon and how we aren't in control of ourselves, rather the pull of the tides of some shit. Anyway, it was, I obviously loved this because it was, it was. It was. I obviously loved this, because it was basically she just picked up a big mirror and she was like here you go Alex Light look at yourself. Do you know what? It was super super interesting actually really really fascinating and it was I think I didn't really understand any of the like I didn't

realise there was an actual like science to astrology you know and it's and I mean Francesca studied for years you know I studied astrology for years yeah I think I'm probably it's probably people like me that are a detriment to the art I would agree yeah so whether you are a cynic or a fanatic we hope you enjoy this episode oh okay are we actually going now we are we're recording i'm actually i'm already feeling a little bit left out because i mean i'm showing you her array of different horoscope memorabilia memorabilia yeah you've got a tattoo a necklace what else the dog

the dog what's the dog called she's called boo-a but she's a cancer I just Yeah What are you? What are you? Yeah Sagittarius When my sister's

Sagittarius Sagittarius is End of November December You've got Saturn in Saj She does she Do I Saturn is like who we are

Deep Deep Down Backbone of our life And you've got Saturn in Saj You've got Saturn in Pisces That's why you're like Mystical And you're

I don't know what you're like Really We just met But I imagine Like adventurous freedom really direct, honest, blunt, curious. I think that's all that you would be if you didn't have like all your manners

and your people pleasing and vagueness in the way. Like in your dream version of yourself, that's who you are. In my dreams I go on roller coasters so that I just wake up and I, yeah. Well, that's interesting. Would like a seatbelt for life. This is safety, Susan, that you're talking to here. Really?

Yes. Virgo dominant. But I wanted, my main question is, at what point does mental health overtake in the stars? Yeah, because I don't know without if it's anxiety or if it's Virgo. Well, yeah, like they are a bit synonymous because you're rising Virgo, Virgo, Mercury, Virgo. You're a lot of Virgo. So that's a lot of Virgo and Virgo is there being like, is this good enough? I need a spreadsheet. Can we improve? You know, that Virgo is there to discern.

It's soaring the wheat from the chaff. And you're looking at every situation being like, keep that, get rid of that, keep that, get rid of that, keep that, get rid of that. So, and you've also got Jupiter and Gemini at the top of your chart. And that means the mercurial, this kind of overthinking vibe, is really strong in you. Yeah. Oh, wow, wow.

I've heard of overthinking. Once. Yeah. Once or twice. Someone's mentioned it. But you're sat and insane. So there is also a broad-minded, trusting, faith, inspired where you just go with the flow and you know that it's all going to be okay. That is there too.

I mean, from what I've heard, not, it's not dominant. No, I don't think it's dominant. I'd love to be going with the flow. I would love it if she went with the flow. But not. No, you do actually go with the flow quite happily. Yeah. Until I don't.

You can get swept up into stuff quite easy. Like, it's quite easy to lead Alastray. Like, like, at the dog gym's at my hen party. Yeah, what? Like, you were like, I don't want to do it. I hate this, and then you did it, and you were terrible at it, but you still did it. I was terrible. It was terrible.

My car and you were backwards. So I was just stuck in a corner. But you did do it. I did. Yeah. Did you go on anything else? We haven't even, we haven't even, we just used to. Yeah, we should do it.

Classic. I never know anyone's name, and I'm like, anyway, let's go in. We should preface all of this. We talk about astrology a lot on this podcast, but only in the context of M is a big astrology fan and big believer. And I am the total opposite. I'm very skeptical of it all. So that's normally the conversation that we have and it doesn't really go anywhere.

So we thought it would be actually cool to get an expert in to talk about this in depth. And like I said to you before, I'm obviously, like, very respectful with my non- cynicism, but yeah, I'm, I'm, yeah, I just, I think it's, it's all interesting and it would be fun to just talk about. I agree. I've liked learning about you because, but, but already, I mean, she's been here like five minutes, everything she said there, can you not see that in yourself? Like the, yeah, like the, everything, everything, everything she just did.

I was like, she's described, she doesn't even know you. I used to live with a girl born on the same day as you. Did you? What was she like? She also alleged. What was she like? She was really friendly. Could she speak French?

I'm good, I'm good, I'm going to do. I mentioned it once. And I've become my entire personality according to M, and I take it. She was quite competitive, sporty, health conscious, quite worried, concerned, sometimes emotional but quite driven very very into sport and fitness and health very very very

and but also liked also she was really controversial she loved throwing in things into WhatsApp group from just watching the WhatsApp group be like oh I don't think you've got that in here no no no no

oh god you've got the moon in Aquarius so what's that mean yeah a little bit controversial you could be like curious want to understand everybody's perspective you do that want to yeah yeah i think that that difference though is that she had rising libra and you're rising vergo and i think the libra in her want to towards balance people in situations whereas you've got the rising virgo so you just want to look after everyone and

maybe control things a bit oh yes a little bit you do have that curiosity though you are very curious i'm very curious yeah yeah ask a lot of questions I do. Yeah. It's good. It's a lovely trait, I think. I love Aquarius as though. Why, what are they?

Sarah's an Aquarius. Dave's an Aquarius. Who's Sarah and Dave? So Alex is married to an Aquarius. Of course. You've got an Aquarius moon. Lovely. Oh, was that inevitable?

Was it written in the stars that they would get together? Yeah, it's a really good thing to have your moon on their sun, the cosmic marriage. Really? Women are their moon a bit more. Really, we are lunar beings, you know. do you know why when i say we're lunar beings and you're like yeah i don't sorry why do you oh i don't know just because is it because we're i don't know i always feel that women are more connect to the moon because of our wombs and yeah we are and moon like we there's 13 full moons a year

and we have 13 periods a year yeah and then you grow a moon i have great you care what she called you she called you a moon and we are you know we ebb and we flow and we have low energy we're on a period like low and then we're like yes we're ovulating like big energy we we kind of we fluctuate like that with the moon whereas men are much more like consistent really like the sun yeah just doing the thing every day burning bright boom boom boom whereas we're like yeah yeah so women are a bit more lunar men are a bit more solar so your husband's an aquariums and your moon in aquaris that makes sense okay I did also see something before Christmas it said they were the two least lovable stars

What, Aquarius and Virgo? Aquarius and Bergo. Yeah, we talked about this before Christmas, do you remember? I've got a thing in my Instagram stories today about, because it's obviously nearly Aquarius season. And I started writing a blog about the full moon in Leo and Aquarius and the paradox of Aquarius and Leo, you know, like, because their opposition as in January, February is Aquarius,

and July, August is Leo, so that's six months. If you look at a calendar, it's an opposition. and Leo is romance and play and fun and really, really loving people and being super romantic and kind of theatrical and Aquarius is like, you're right? I mean, what's with the outfit? That's true. It's also Sarah.

Yeah, yeah, it is. Sarah's my best mate who's an Aquarius. Yeah, she's a very aquarius. Sarah and Dave are the same person. This is like... They are actually. This is what I try and deliver to Alex's proof. It's like real-life examples of very similar people

that are the same stuff. sign. Yeah, and the characteristics. Do you know what was really funny, when Clemy Telford, who you know, because she recommended you to me, and she, I did a live show with her years ago now, and she opened up the live show and said, I can't remember what she had. She said, if you're an Aquarius, you're thinking, I'm going to butcher it because I don't know, I don't know the traits of each star sign, but if you're Aquarius, you're thinking

this, if you're a Leo, you're thinking this, and if you're a Sagittarius, you're thinking this she kind of went through them and I just drifted off because I'm I you know yeah bitchy skeptic and then she finished with and if you're a Virgo you're thinking all of this is just bullshit and I was like oh I'm listening now I was like it's your Aquarius moon that would make you quite skeptical really because Aquarius is like super rational and quite scientific so deep this is quite a paradox in like what I'm hearing about you in because that would also be really rational and cool so there's a really emotional side to you but there's also some element of checking out i don't know or just being very comfortable with your aquarium husband like what is it

that attracts you to his yeah i'm attracted i am and i am attracted to that like very level-headed gentle um chill i don't like big character energy you know i don't know if that make like i'm not attracted you're not a leo you don't like the leo you like the aquarium i like someone yeah i enjoy i enjoy that like calming presence yeah he must have other stuff in his chart to be that calm and sensitive did you say sensitive he's brought he'll have some pities because you got loads of ergo so he'll have some pitesies in his char as well yeah yeah yeah dave's a lot softer than what you'd think oh he is sensitive yeah yeah very emotionally intelligent no he's 38 but he's very in tune to you like he's very receptive to alex's like issues

energy wait what's his date of birth please 30th of Jan 85 85 so he's got Mars and Venus and Pisces God you know that off by heart well I've got next boyfriend two days older oh nice easy super useful so he is in Pisces like you said

yeah Mars Venus Pisces moon and Gemini so he's got the overthinking thing as well a bit chatty intellectual curious super intellectual yeah he is less chatty but no he gets more chatty yeah when you get to know him

we say he makes a good like 9th impression. He's not like a to meet you, he's more like, hi, you okay. And then he'll like warm up, but yeah. Slowly, slowly. Yeah, okay. Interesting.

That's interesting. Okay, I have a question. Soz. No, go. I've married somebody with the same star sign as me. Yeah, what does that mean? What does that mean? Is that nice?

Is that nice? Same age? Year older. No, two years older. No year older. No year, yeah, yeah, one year. One year. We've only been together ten years.

Even I know like 93 Yeah he was born on the 2nd of July 93 I think he's got a Saj moon Leo rising I think I don't know how many years old he is than me But I'm pretty sure

He's got a satch moon satin But it's lovely to be the same I think Yeah and the dog Is it? And the dog Well I was a bit nervous at this baby I think by the time

I haven't been telling anyone When the baby's due But I feel like by the time this comes out Yes She'll be out so it's fine So this baby was originally due to be a Pisces and I was low-key freaking out that it was just going to be too many water signs in the house. I was like, this is going to be a lot.

But she's going to be early, I believe. I think she's going to be an Aquarius. So that's kind of, and I'm excited for that. I feel like that's going to be a good energy for the house. Please don't tell me otherwise because she's coming. Are you sure she's going to come early? 100%. They won't let me go to full term.

So she'll definitely be an Aquarius. Cool. Yeah. Obviously all the other stuff, We'll be there. Yeah. But on my relationship, which I can't end now, but I can't end it now. You know, we're about to have a kid.

We're very happy, but I just want to understand the compatibility of two of the same signs. Amazing. Is it good? Yes, I love it. Oh, that is so nice. Like, moon and moon is great, really. In a relationship, moon is who we are deep down. So if your sun sign, your star sign is how you behave, like,

You two at work now, doing your jobs. You're being your sun signs. You're being your star signs. You're being helpful. Community. You want to look at it. Like the motivation is cancerian. You want to nurture people.

You like sharing information and there'll be more complexity and detail as to why you are like you are in your chart. But that's kind of fundamentally what you're coming from. And as a Virgo, you want to help people. You want to bring service, talk about health, talk about things that matter. So you're both coming from that perspective, solar. But your lunar is who you are deep down and what you want, love language. style stuff like the deep the real you yeah i'm a cap corn moon full moon i don't know what that means capricorn moon needs to be want to be useful really and can be emotionally quite private actually

yeah that would be and that puts me at odds with myself because i'm a rising cancer and a cancer sun so i technically am an oversharing over-emotional person but then actually at my core you're very very private very private it's a real paradox but i actually i can see that for myself but I don't I can't work out where my own boundary is with it I've always thought that about you because it's weird because in one sense like you say you do you like share everything and it doesn't seem like as much that's off limits yeah but then in another way there's so much that I don't talk about yeah feel quite private with yeah yeah which seems at odds with the rest of the stuff and it's really weird and in my head I share everything but then when I actually think about it

I'm like I haven't really shared much at all but that's I think that's a really interesting thing working on the internet anyway because I think people do think you share everything and I definitely know that I give the impression not I'm not lying because I do share a lot

but then I also know and the fact that I kept this pregnancy a secret for like 21 weeks like from the internet it's actually mad and that was pretty easy so that's the cat bet

I wanted to protect it I wanted it like all just safe at home and private exactly it's weird well it's natural with the Capricorn moon

but yeah like you say the moon rules cancer. So it's going to inform all your cancerian stuff as well. It can make you ambitious, make you, like I said, want to, but there is a, I want to be helpful, want to nurture people, but there is that privacy, the deeply vulnerable, if I share this thing that really matters to me and I get anything negative, I would die. So it's not, you know, it's so vulnerable. I've read in a book that the Capricorn Moon is like an actress who overacts one day, gets a negative review and decides to never show anything ever again.

And it's like, you're not going to know. This is too precious. This is too vulnerable. How funny, on the way in this morning, I had a thought because I haven't worked out how I'm going to share my baby yet online. I haven't worked out how I'm going to be it. And I thought this morning, and I was like, if somebody was rude about my child, I would never come back online again. And I've never had that thought about anything. And then this morning, I was just like, if somebody did that or, you know, you hear about people,

parents of influence is calling social, you know, having social services called on them and all this stuff. And I just thought, if they came, if they thought with my family, I would never come back. And that was a level of drama that I've never, um, entertained before. But in the car this morning,

I thought it and I was like, fuck them. I don't know. That would be me. Which was really weird. I've never had that before before. Well, it's an injury. Today you are 28 degrees cancer, like,

because you know those degrees. Yeah. So it's 360 degrees in a circle. Yeah. So if we've got Earth, well, from astrology perspective, earth is in the middle and we pretend that the sun goes around us, just because that's how we do it.

And each star sign is 30 degrees, like a protractor. You know, if you had your protractor, you'd go, okay, start here, and you go zero Ares, all the way through to 29 Aries, and you go zero Taurus to 29 Taurus all the way around. And that's how we measure it when we're measuring astrology stuff. You're 28 degrees cancer, like the end of cancer. It's two more days, and then it's Leo. And today, the sun is at 28 Capricorn. Interesting. And Pluto is at 28 Capricorn today.

So we've got a son-pluto conjunction opposing your son today. So it's interesting that you had that thought because Pluto is about, it rules Scorpio. It's about power, fear, control, intimacy and depth. And there's this kind of maternal instinct being drawn out of you via this transit. It says, anyone messes with my family, I'm going to kill them. And so whilst you're having these transit today, it's like, okay, how am I going to do this in the way? you know like fern cotton never shows her children does she yeah no because she's obviously i don't i haven't looked at her chart in detail but it's the same she's obviously decided like i can't go

there no so yeah i think i've really realized that recently i'm like this no i can't do this like i just it's too it's too vulnerable and it's not my i don't mind actually being vulnerable with myself i think that's what i would like that's what i keep private is if it affects anybody else do you know i mean like i'm quite protective of that so interesting also So when you're, would I always be 28 degrees cancer? Yeah, because I'm on the cusp of being a Leo. Yeah, two days really, it's 23rd, it changed. I was also super premature as a baby.

I don't know if that counts for anything. And that's good. You came when you wanted. Or the universe. That's what I feel like you choose what you're going to be. It's what I feel like with this baby, I'm like, she's going to choose. I know what she wants. She'll know what she wants.

Yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah. And then because your child describes your mother as well. So the child, you know, it's a co-creation of relationship. don't you love this do you not love this she's like

I'm listening I'm fascinated by your knowledge and how you like know what the degree of Pluto is the day or whatever you're saying like that's fascinating how did you get into all of this how did it come about

I was always into it I always know everyone's birthday so like you being like look Dave and Sarah are the same yeah I was like these people are the same and by the time I'd got to you like I had my school friends

sorted out family friends family and I got to the patterns became really obvious. And I started to be like, there's something, there's something really in this. And I've got a crazy memory for dates. So everybody would test me. I know everybody's birthday and I could just, I don't know.

When we used to drive to school, my dad used to teach me all these memory games. I used to know everybody's phone number when I was like six. I'm the same. I can do all phone numbers, all dates. Ask me when a song came out. I remember where I was. Exactly.

Everything. Yeah. So my friends was like that, and that's weird. And then I just carried on. And then I moved to Italy in 2008, and they all know their rising sign, which is generally. Like, oh, what's your second sign? What's your rising sign? They just kind of know. Really?

Yeah, it's just part of their... What's her rising sign? Virgo. Oh, no, yeah, I'm a double as well. Sunrise. I'm a cancer as well. Oh, yeah. You both born at sunrise? I was born at like 3.45 in the morning.

Wait. On that summer's day. That's nice. I wasn't I wasn't it wasn't it was a traumatizing emergency but nice for me are you born before sunrise I was so Italy yes so they all knew the rising sign and I found out my rising sign in 2008 and was like oh that's interesting and then I started I asked emailed all my ex-boyfriends all my best friends what time are you born and I'm like why and I got it and then all my ex-boyfriends had the same rising sign because I knew you know certain people that I just I knew they were the same

yeah and and then I could work it out so then I'd meet people I'd be like were you born at 3 p.m and I'm like why I'd like go find out find out so I spent years like that basically all of my 20s and then when I was 29 I met a psychic at a networking event and we were just chatting wine and eventually she sat me down and told me so much about my life like the name of my friends my ex-boyfriend his sister everything told me all this stuff we went to get our coats I said Wednesday birthday she told me I said we're born at 8pm

she's like yeah how do you know so I'm into astrology and then she's like oh that's it you've done it in all your past lives you've got to be an astrologer I was like really and then I didn't sleep for three days because she told me my

my spirit guide was with me and I was just petrified sleeping with the lights on like the ghosts in my room show with the door open because there were no windows in the bathroom when I was too scared

like shower cut open and then I emailed Shelley von Struncle who used to write the horoscoped in the Times and said, how do I become an astrologer? I've been told I'm going to be an astrologer. What do you do? And she said, you need to email Frank at the London School of Astrology. She did that. And that was the end of normal life. What did you do before? Pet insurance, insurance. Okay, wasn't expecting that. Oh my God. It's like my eyes on

the dog. Yeah. Yeah. Keep your eyes off her. I was actually just saying this morning, I'm going to cancel her pet insurance and I'm going to start putting the money into, yeah, into another account because I just don't, as she's getting older, I just think that people aren't going to pay out. Like, if she's getting all of the complaints that she's going to start having now, insurance isn't going to cover, someone's going to save the money. Depends if you'd want to treat her if she got cancer. Well, yeah, obviously. But would they pay for her? Yeah, well, if she wanted to, you know, if she was, you know, if she was like, you know, she was like, you know, she was, you know, if a dog was, if a dog wanted to live and if a dog wanted to die you know when the time's right yeah I might

actually like be sick or cry can we move on because I can't bear this conversation I'm like dogs I can't I can't my dog's only two don't actually boo is seven and it's killing me but I have I don't know I feel like again something today I'm just in a very like peaceful place with everything it's just like well we're lucky to love I just realize that my dogs are the same birthday as me well they just put her on her passport I think they just chose a day but in August but they chose my birth though

she's the same side as me yeah that's nice anyway look we're winning her round we're getting her I knew this would work anxious dog yes the most anxious

she's so needy she's terrible biggest diva is looking in the mirror Are we compatible? Yeah, you've got Venus in Virgo, you've got Venus in cancer. Oh my God, that's so nice for us. We should be in love.

Yeah. Oh, well, I mean, that does make sense because we have been doing this for a year and we haven't really had any fault. We've had a good one. Only a few. But also, the fallouts that we have, we rectify very grown-uply and easily. When I don't, when I come back from running away. Yeah, when you reply.

But you've got a hot picture of that recently. Yeah. Al's quite an impulsive person. A little bit Like she'll do something She pulls a pin And then she literally As if it's a grenade

She runs away from it But she'll have like Passed it to me It's like Here's this thing on fire Bye I'm sorry I can't deal with it I'm not dealing with this

And then I'll just be like Oh okay But That's okay I love you Sorry we move on We move on we move on Here's this thing on fire

Enjoy Hmm That's Mars and Aries I would say Does she have any Aries in her Mars yeah that's a lot yeah sex and aggression

and in Ares is pretty feisty that's very competitive yes do you think yeah but you're so it's such a lovely competitive oh my god

do you because I've never thought of myself as competitive how okay we went to a football event in the summer and she like I think she's only competitive of stuff that you're good at but luckily for you

you're good at loads of shit so like but I wasn't competitive I was just good doesn't that sound like a competitive I don't think anybody not competitive has ever said that sentence. I don't like competition anyway. I wouldn't like playing like Monopoly with Alex.

I'd be very scared to do that because I'd be, I think it might be the air reason that I'm scared of. Give money away to people I feel sorry for. But what if I call you in a bad mood? What if it was like? Oh yeah, then probably game over. Yeah. But I wouldn't win because I'm not clever enough.

That's the risk. The risk is that you're going to get a. an emotional explosion a game-related one yeah because Venus and Cancer and Mars and Ares they're like exactly at right angles in your chart so Venus and Cancer is sensitive, caring that's you most of the time

and 95% at the time and Mars and Ares is super driven as well it's not just competitive but it does want to win and there is an element of like how focus you to have been with this but Alice is the most hardworking person ever like you work so hard yeah all the time all the time like you work so hard

and when you're working you're so dedicated to what you're doing like you don't give like I'll give a casual 50% but like when you're working you're like I'm 100% here I don't care that it's three in the morning I'm here you know how they say how you do yoga is how you do life yeah

do yoga no yeah but if you did yoga how would you do yoga she'd be all in she wouldn't be taking the optional child's pose I mean I did do bit cram yoga for a bit and I like this is so me I went once liked it and then I went twice a day for like two weeks and then got absolutely exhausted and never went again so that but that that does actually sum me up pretty much

so anyway super intense but it's great we like to but we do work well together with that because I'll have like super like flurries of productiveness whereas I'm like more consistently shit or good yeah like I'm just

I'm somewhere in the middle whereas you're like burst of energy yeah which we need because you have to bring the burst in yeah and then yeah so who's driving this burst now or is it the baby that's driving it? I actually would have thought it's completely the other way around

I feel like I go I'm pretty consistent with it and then you have like, oh, I've done a spreadsheet and I've booked all these guests. That was that, though. That was the baby. Yeah, I don't think I'm a very organised person. But having said that, like, I've got bad systems. Yeah, I agree.

What did you say? She said she could confirm. But have I ever missed the day? Am I ever really late? I'm more likely to miss a day. So, like, I actually, I'm not an organised person because I have no system. But what I do have works. I'm not late.

I don't miss stuff. Everything always gets done. It's just by the skin of our teeth. And it's always finished. And you fly on the seat of your part. Yeah. Fly on the seat. Fly by, I think.

Yeah, like I haven't packed my hospital bag. And this birth is so imminent. But I have made a spreadsheet. So it's like, I know that like all the stuff that I need in it. So basically if I go into labour, I can send the sheet to my husband and be like, and you packed that bag. Yes, I learned to use it three weeks ago. I still can't.

No, you can tell. Well, I'm loving it. I'm onto my second spreadsheet of the month. What, have you got formula in or just... No, I didn't have a formula. Okay, right. You just got info? Yeah.

I just put a list. I just didn't like it inward. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because you can put colours in Excel. You can make everything, you can colour code everything in Excel. Let's hear Venus and Virgo live in her best life. Because Venus is what brings us joy, what we love. And with that, Venus and Virgo loves a spreadsheet.

Virgo loves a spreadsheet. Al loves a spreadsheet. Haven't you loved my spreadsheet? I haven't very much enjoyed it. Everybody's loved my spreadsheet. So, okay, so going back to you, sorry we didn't just get here to like talk about ourselves to you. So you emailed Frank at the London astrology. London.

I said, hi, I'm Frank. Really enthusiastic. Like, I met a psychic. She told me I'm going to be an astrologer. I was really like, I got this quite like neutral calm email back being like, yes, good. Because, you know, I've had this life-changing experience and he's just like, another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, join the queue.

Yeah. And then, so the school year started, like, academic year. This, it happened something, it was early 2014, so nine years ago. Wow. And then I started studying September 2014. How long is the course? Three slow years. Wow.

Wow. See, Al, it's a science. I did, I really did not know that, actually. at all. I didn't know that. We didn't. I don't think it needed to be three years in all honesty. Wow. That's a lot. Because it was just once a week and I was gagging to like go. But because I was so eager, I was like that mature student who just read all the books

and did all the stuff and just was, I just couldn't wait to be an astrologer. I didn't want to do my old life anymore. And there's no way to like fast track it? Not really because what, so, sorry, what I did. summer 2016, by the end of second year you're quite good at reading charts. But there's reading charts like this is who you are, which is one skill, but then there's all the other bits of astrology where there's astrochartography putting your chart across the globe

and then there's the predictions. So then I'd be looking at your chart of your birthday and what's your year going to be like and what's going on in the sky today and how is that, how is that transit? So you can look what people's years are going to be like. Yeah, so then there's all, that's another skill. So So by the end of my second year, I could do your chart, but I couldn't do all the future stuff confidently. So I started reading charts, but, like, for a tenor at Wilderness. Love that. So I started, like, building.

That was the first time I, like, read charts, 2007 or 2016. And I started doing my Instagram, 2015, so that when I qualified, I was like, go. Yeah. What does a chart, I mean, excuse me for literally not knowing any of this, but what does a chart reading involve? So reading your... So the chart is a map of the sky taken at the moment you were born so if you take a snapshot of the sky right now

if the baby was born now it would be a Capricorn and because the sun's in Capricorn and the moon today is in Sagittarius and Mars today's in Gemini opposite the sun so it's not out now but tonight if you see an orange star that's Mars

you can see them every night at the minute there's a star that just looks orange you can see it's Mars and you can see it's angry oh that's cool and Jupiter and all the different planets are where they are

and so when you read a chart you're interpreting that oh you've got Mars and Ares so maybe you're competitive or you're driven or you get things done or you're decisive that's a gift

of Mars in Ares as well you are decisive it's a great gift it's really good I'm not just like I wish I was decisive you've got Mars in Gemini

so probably less decisive I am so indecisive it's actually horrible I wish I was decisive and even when I make a decision I'm filled with regret that I've made it a real gift of Mars and Ares

that's why they're quite good at business Marsanaries because it's that ability to make the decision move on that's why you're so good at business you are really good at business because you make decisions business is about decisions

I'm like shocked you're saying this actually I thought I was the most indecisive person ever until I met you and I was like oh no there is a way to this is why I think I'm so into astrology because it's so much easier for me to just trust the universe

and trust everything else rather than trust myself to make a decision I'm like if the universe will show me the universe will do it and it'll be fine and what's meant to be will be and I've got to trust that and I always say this like I actually think that's a really nice way to be and to live as well

yeah I do I think that's a nice because I mean I guess you can see it in two ways and like I hope you don't mind me saying this but like you can see it as being a bit passive Yeah, like you're putting your, you're giving something else, your power. But then on the other hand, you are taking away a lot of potential, like, regret and doubt and indecision. So, an uncertainty. So I do get it.

When you said that, I was like, oh, God, maybe I do give all my power away. But then I actually feel like the most powerful thing is not trying to control all the things I can't control. Like, the powerful thing is my peace. And, like, just letting the universe be. It's really part of you, because you've got Saturn in Pisces, that is really like, you're sounding like a Pisces, aren't you? Yeah, although my brothers are Pisces and male Pisces are very different. Male Pisces are the most skeptical, in my opinion.

Yeah. Because Pisces and Virgo are the opposite. That's why I thought your husband would have some Pisces. And Virgo is like, spreadsheet, give me information. And if the sun is shining today in Capricorn, its shadow is falling in... Cancer? Yes, exactly, because that's opposite. So when the sun is shining in Pisces, the shadow is in Virgo, and we can all get stuck

in our shadow. So sometimes the Pisces in their shadow is like, give me this breadcheats, I've got no faith in anything, let me control everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, Virgos can get stuck in their Pisces shadow and just get hammered. I've seen you be so hammered. I can't take this anxiety anymore. Escapers and what?

Oh, God, she sees you in my language. In my 20s, like, when I was, no, just an observational astrologer, I was like, why do all the Virgoes I know love getting hamlet? Like, this doesn't make sense. They have to let go of control. Yeah, because they're just neurotic, so they're just like wine. Yeah, and you're such a fun drunk. Yeah, they are fun.

I am a fun drunk. I'm quite a fun drunk. Yeah, my brother is a Pisces and he's a really fun drunk as well. Is he? Really fun. Very charismatic. Maybe not that sounds weird. No, Tony can.

You are literally one of the only. friends that hasn't slept with my brother at this point there's still time no I'm just is your brother really hot no he's just really charismatic he's alright but yeah he's just he's like Ferris Bueller sorry it's a Pisces is a film

but yeah I think he's just got that like Pisces charisma I don't know if you've got a partner or not but are there signs that you were like I could not go out with a person of that sign or are you not quite as prescriptive with it you just won't be attracted to someone who doesn't like attract like you two were obviously going to be compatible you're going to

have have things like the sun venus each way and whatever else you've got being a cancer and a virgo's nice anyway and the mars that's in a really nice aspect dynamic makes you work together so mine's a gemini and aries get on yeah yeah yeah it's interesting but i don't get on with either of those signs you don't get on with the gemini well yeah because you fight with gemini Yeah, daisies and a Gemini. I'll produce it. My mum's a Gemini. I love my mom, but I've had to learn how to live with a Gemini. Yeah, but you've got Gemini energy there. I know. And I have to really suppress that in myself. Well, you don't. It's just, it's really interesting that we will be triggered by, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm interested in is like where your real life and your mental health and your experiences come and meet your signs.

Yeah. Because like how much of Al is actually. anxious and how much of it is her virgo-ness. Like how much of my aversion to the Gemini-ness is just because of the way that I've learned to exist with my mom, who I lot of the best person ever. But, or is it because it's in my sign? Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, totally right. We've got to pick up on that. You asked what a chart reading was. Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, I'm just aware. And there was... We're going wayward, aren't we? Is there anyone that I don't...

Is there anyone that I don't date? No. if I'm attracted to someone if you look at their chart and you see a red flag you're just like fuck pretend I didn't see that

it just gives you information as to where and also it's dangerous as an astrologer to be like okay well I'm going to allow them that dysfunction because they're susceptible to it

so that's something I've had to learn as well so I can't just start being like okay fine and making allowances or managing relationships So.

Yeah, because it's like you know more than them. Yes. You know what they're going to do or what they're predisposed to doing. So you're kind of like a step ahead of them. What are you again? Sagittarius, which is November. Which is December. Yeah.

So is there like one sign that you're like absolutely not for me? Or with all with what you're saying about like rising and. Exactly. There's so much. Okay. But I would want like from a moon sign perspective, my moon in Taurus. I mean, I just can't If I saw someone with a moon in Ares

I don't know I can't I don't think it would happen Can you tell me why? Because deep down My tourist moon Your moon in Capricorn Your Moon in Aquarius

Maybe not so much a moon in Aries But deep down I just want to chill I'm with you I couldn't do that with an Aries I want a nice I just want to relax I read a book

I know I'm quiet some you know at home i don't want to talk all the time i don't want noise i don't i'm not interested in going on holiday and being like right well we're going again at seven i'm here for the lazy slow life and an aries moon is like decisive and making things happen and really action and it's just like okay i can do it i can vibe with you we we can do this but really fundamentally it's annoying for me okay to have to it's a big compromise to make if somebody is super super super you Yang and action-orientated and wanting to do this and plan things and see people all the time. I don't want to see people.

I want to be at home, being quiet. Fliss is a tourist. Yeah. Toro. Oh, yeah, my mum, 13th of May. Yeah. As a tourist, yeah. Interesting. So, and if you were, maybe, you know, I could still fall in love with someone and you can still

make it work and you can learn to compromise. But I just can't imagine me ever wanting and craving that situation. Yeah. I would only really be attracted to someone who also connect in the same way that I connect. So I don't think, I don't, I can't see it even being an issue. It's I've never, I've never, no, one guy at uni who drove me insane. Really? Yeah.

Who's a Scorpio and I didn't know about moon signs. But obviously now I've checked and was like, that's why he drove me mental. And he left arguing. I don't, I don't want to argue. I will argue and I'm quite confrontational when there's a problem, Sagittarius, you know, I'll be sharing the truth. but I'm not hit I don't live for fights I don't like fallout

I never really had fallouts at school you know some girls like fall out all the time yeah no drama yeah I know so scorpios don't mind fighting Scorpio can hold a grudge for the longest of all the signs yeah love that I mean your husband have got sat in Scorpio yeah so we're deep down Scorpio your husband is deep down a Scorpio is he yeah deep down do you think he could hold a grudge with someone that wronged you

yes definitely He's quite good, actually. He's quite, yeah, he's very... Defending his wife's honour, I think he could do it. Not argumentative. That's not it. The loyalty, the loyalty. Yeah.

The deep loyalty. Yeah, he's deeply loyal. Yeah, I hope so. Okay, yeah, with that, like random burst of anxiety, can we ask how much, how much of you is you in your opinion and how much of you is your experiences and your mental health? Everything is astrology

in my opinion. Oh my God. Really? Yeah. I love that. That's so fun for me. But astrology is vast. It's vast.

You know, there's a nuance and a potential of what, like wine. You know, all the different grapes and all the different, like the environment it grows up in and you can understand it by being like, oh, this soil south of France, this temperature this summer. you know, when you were born, it was a, Saturn was in Pisces. Pisces is alcohol, Saturn is problems. They've been bad vintage. 94, 94, 95, shit vintage, apparently.

I was talking to someone who makes wine and I was like, oh, Saturn in Pisces, shit vintage, so interesting. That's me now. That's good. Oh, they're a T-shirt, 1994, shit vintage. Ship vintage. You're 94. But there is something about your birth chart, yeah, of course is nuance and your experience in your environment but it is you and that's why astrology is useful because you can go okay

loads of Virgo bit of Gemini we know this we know you're going to be an overthinker go into detail um be really really helpful really want to support people think about people not have a massive ego come from a place of service but also mask any anything that bothers you because you don't know upset other people go straight to your guts get a bit of iBS smiling Virgo like and there how do you help how do you support that it you know that it's you and how are you going to live from that because you can in a best life be really organized have great routines get up in the morning do your meditation running whatever you want to do eat you green juice drink your green juice and and live in a way that gives you some support as a Virgo and you

you fulfill that need for detail and organization and health without sitting on the sidelines and overthinking it. So I would say that everything is astrology. Then we've got the transits all the time. Activating certain parts. So Jupiter is moving. Jupiter is an Ares right now. That's going to be really good for you. Jupiter will get to your Mars

and Jupiter expands and brings luck and expansion. You could make you extra busy. Sometimes Jupiter will bring you too much. Jupiter brings you too much. But at the minute, for the next month or two. Opportunities. Maybe you'll be asked to do I don't know, a nice big job that's quite lucrative

or you get invited on a press trip abroad, Jupiter or you get asked to write a book or the podcast goes, you know, has a big step up. Something like that. You would expect something kind of positive. Yeah, I'd take any of those things. Yeah, I take it. Does everybody expect something positive?

Or is it just out? It's because her Mars is in Ares and Jupiter is currently in Ares. So Jupiter on her Mars is really going to like amp that up. But we've all got, Jupiter is in Ares for everyone And we've all got ARIs in our charts somewhere. So we're all experiencing fresh energy, competition, getting on with it. But it's going to impact the Aries that little bit more. Nice.

I'm so I'm excited for you. I'll keep you up dating. I can't wait. And Saturn's an Aquarius. Like I hope you don't, whatever this deal is. It's not the realms of possibility. I get called from Stephen Bartlett being like, will you co-host with me instead? That'll be like, and who?

ship vintage ship vintage yeah you've got Pluto and your son Pluto was God of the underworld and death and rebirth you're being reborn as a mother oh my god fun yeah

I'm not dying no okay cool it's done that for every a lot of my friends these late cancerians are having babies really

yeah how interesting so I'm being reborn as a mom that makes sense yeah but then there's some you know there's something that you're letting go of confronting that will be important you know your freedom and sleep yeah yeah my whole life because I know it that's taken a lot to come that's I do sit and fear around that so that's probably what that is

like you have to let go of the old me yeah and I've seen you know I follow all the people the mummy bloggers yeah talking about that yeah but it's all good as long as you're diving into the love but I imagine it was the it's the it's stepping into the power, there'll be something about, oh my God, I've got a lot of responsibility here and getting comfortable with what you've created and your full creative, yeah. I'm comfortable with what I've created? I have no idea. I need to meet. And the change. Yeah. Yeah. Letting go. Yeah. So I have to let go and be reborn, basically. Well, I don't have to, but just acknowledge that that's happening.

I acknowledge that there is a big psychological process happening. It's not just a physical, literal thing. This is why I love the stars, though. Like, it's so nice, isn't it? You can just let go and just let that happen. How do you, like, as a, not as a professional astrologer, how do you, like, keep up with this stuff? Like, how do you know where everything is?

Yeah, like, how would you just check in the morning and be like, oh, I need to. I don't check all the time. Sometimes, like, also over Christmas, I really, for the first time in eight years, I was like, I'm not doing anything. I didn't know any videos, didn't do any newsletters. So that was the first time in ages. But I teach, so I've been teaching a course I was teaching last night

and we were looking at bits and bobs so I know. But also because I'm always having transits. So I want to know what's going on. How do you talk to, talk to or like, how do you talk to? Talk to, yeah, people who are skeptical about this stuff. And I imagine like people can be a bit rude about it sometimes. like, oh, horoscopes are like crap, you know, maybe like not that respectful about it. Like, what do you say to those people or do you just not even bother?

It just doesn't happen anymore. Does it not? When I was insecure about it, no, because it's not, I don't know. When I was insecure about it, people would say that and I'd be like, well, you know, defensive. Yeah, I'd be defensive. Whereas now, I'm not triggered, so I don't know, like it just passes me by. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, booze barking. He's triggered.

Yeah. 100% she's triggered. She knows her pet and sure it's passed. She's like, give me help. Do animals have star signs? Yes. Yeah. Yes.

I love that. Yeah, she would be in the first degree of cancer. Oh. She's July 20, June 22nd. Oh, big birthday. Yeah. 20 seconds. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Sweet. Yeah. Which I love. So she, yeah, sweet, cuddly. Yeah. she's actually pretty chill you know she um she she doesn't need to be on me she's going to be near me

but she's not going to be on me she's very receptive to my emotions check a moon yeah my sister's got a leo dog who is so leo oh my god really he's got he's got all his long hair she took it he had a blow dry once and he's like I'm the prince swish bitch and I had an aquarius dog when I was growing up who used to run off interesting we've got an aquarius dog but he's actually incredibly needy so I just think something's up with his moon yeah yeah it's really I've always saw that He's born on February 1st, and he's so, so needy. But then, I know, really strange zoo, but then he does, I mean, my mum just has him, I think he's a victim of circumstance.

I bet he's got planets in Pisces. 100%. If I was diagnosing that dog, I'd be like, you are a Pisces, sir. Especially because you've got a Pisces brother and you've got satin in Pisces. Yeah. That dog's got some Pisces energy. 100%. We have a dog that's an aquarium.

He's a Capricorn, but he's. My mom's got a lot of dogs, a lot of dogs. And I'll stop diagnosing them now because nobody cares. I like that you call it diagnosing. No, too. I just love it. You diagnose you with a sun in, I don't know. Saturn.

Pisces. Sorry, I got the mix up. It was really nice of you to go along with her. Yeah. Yeah, okay. You're wrong. Nearly. Do you feel any more swayed by it?

The thing is, is that, I am receptive, like I'm open-minded to it, but I also, like, I don't necessarily have a desire to believe it, if that makes sense. And I do feel like, because in my head, and to me, to me, and whether this is right or wrong, I don't know, but for me, it feels right in that, in that I understand people by their upbringing and their relationships with people, like, they're more formative in their more formative years like that really makes sense to me and probably because I've had a lot of therapy as well at this point but that side of things just really make sense to me and I and I don't tend to yeah I don't I don't think I need anything else to like explain

things and like as much as I do like M's like trust in the universe and things like that like I really don't I am I don't feel like that at all like in my head there isn't like a meant to be you know there isn't a fate or a destiny. It's kind of like the world is just happening as it's happening. And I actually do wish I was more, sorry, happening as in, it's not written in the stars. What will happen tomorrow is just, is not determined by a destiny. It's just, it's determined by all the tiny little things that have led up to it. And what causes all those tiny little things?

Speak, sat in five cities. It's interesting, this is a, you've got the South Node in Virgo and Saturn in Saj. and those two things. The South Node is like where we're stuck, our old way of thinking. Sorry, Mike. And with the South Node in Virgo, again, it'll keep you in analysis.

And Saturn in Sagittarius is a slight block from having faith in things. And there could be a bit of a call to be less feeling it in control and let go a bit. But also that's your truth. And there's nothing. wrong with that

but I can see that perhaps why you're inclined to stay on terra firma like with what you can see and feel yeah very much so yeah yeah

and that's just the side that makes sense to me like I really like the like the principles of Buddhism and you know that just being entirely like in the present and also like that you know

I don't know have you heard the book like no mud no lotus of the idea that like you know you can't feel okay I'm going off on a tangent here but like basically you just have to experience life like as it happens and just take whatever that is rather that and I'm not making sense. I know but I like that because sometimes I remember in my early days of being an astrologer I was like do you know I just don't want to know I went and worked in the mountains in 2017 I used to do that and I like you know I was training I had no money so I went and worked in a ski resort for a bit and I I'm just like, I don't want to analyze anyone, I just want to ski and be here.

Yeah. And not be like, where's your moon? Why you like this? Yeah. Because it's exhausting. And it's not for everyone because it's not for everyone. Not everyone was born to be an astrologer. And at the minute, obviously there's like the astrologers and then there's a lot of people like trying to get into astrology.

And sometimes it's like, yeah, there's a big space for people being like, yeah, fine, whatever's out there. But I'm here. And that can do what it want. but at a certain point what I think astrology becomes attractive when crisis strikes yeah and that's just like religion

and it's nice to have faith in something and I totally get that when will it end what the fuck is going on yeah see I don't want to know the future at all like I have no interest in knowing what's happening but oddly I think I did when I was younger I was so so anxious and I always wanted to know what's going to happen and I spend a lot of my time being so anxious about what was going to

happen. And then for me, the worst did happen when my brother was in an accident, and he was fine, but it was, like, such a mo-head fuck for me, because it was just like, I'd been so anxious for so long about what was going to happen in the future. And obviously, no one saw this coming, but I, in my neurotic head was like, I'm anxious. I knew something bad would happen. That's why I've been anxious for like 20 years, because I knew one day something terrible would happen. And then I've had loads of life coaching, which was not, we've never mentioned star signs or astrology or any of it but the more coaching i've done the more i feel like i've come to myself and put anxiety down and let myself be more present like you say and that's where i've

got much more into my astrology because it's yeah but and it's kind of like a very present i don't check my horoscope to see what's going to happen this week or this day i just use it more to make sense of what's happening around me as it's happening if that makes sense and it feels very comforting to me that the universe is just like got it yeah i don't i totally get that yeah i don't know if i get it it's a and it's a way to like like make sense of things that don't make sense to you i don't i can i really can see it's how i've put my anxiety down yeah like completely i don't feel like i would i would have described myself as having anxiety for like and i was described by therapists and doctors as having anxiety for like 23 years a lot of astrologists say the

astrology got rid of their anxiety that that That's what I feel like, I'm not an astrologer by any stretch, but I genuinely feel like I don't have anxiety anymore because I just trust. And you understand. It's a language to explain things. You always understood but couldn't explain. And like today, Mercury is Station Direct today, communication stuff.

The internet's broken in my house and there's some annoying people, chainsawing trees. I couldn't do anything at home. I couldn't even, I tried to do some, like, non-internet typing, but there's like, and I was like, if you didn't know that Mercury is stationing, You just think you're having a really bad day. Yeah.

That's it. Isn't it lovely when you can be like, oh, when you're in a foul mood? And then you're like, oh, my God, it's a full moon. Or like Mercury is in Metrograde. And it's like, and everything's gone wrong in your day. And it's just like, oh, it's just the universe. Like, it's. And also, it's really interesting to see how it impacts the collective.

Like Monday was pretty murky. The moon was in Scorpio. It was quite heavy. We were in such bad moods on Monday, weren't we? Savage. Yeah. I was foul. We both were.

We were horrible to each, not too, we were horrible. Like, we were both saying to each other, how horrible. how horrible we felt. Yeah. Yeah. Monday was awful. Yeah. So then I go on Instagram, like, how's the Scorpio Moon treating you?

And everyone's like, bleh. And you're like, A, for me, that's interesting research. And B, it's like amazing. It is amazing. I love it. That it's, we're animals. We're animals. And we're responding to nature and astrology is nature.

And it's, are you going to, you don't have to check the weather forecast. You don't have to take your umbrella. You can just get wet, big deal. But it's nice to know if it's going to rain and you take your broly. And that's, that's it really. Oh my God. That's it. Astrology's my umbrella.

That's a nice analogy. I like that. I love that. Because you don't know exactly what's going to happen. You don't, you can't guarantee that it's going to rain or snow. You can't guarantee it, but you can be like, probably going to rain. Yeah. Probably going to rain.

You might want to not buy that thing. Yeah. And sometimes it's really nice that it wasn't your fault when you've had a shit day or whatever it is. And it's just, when you come back and it's just like, I don't know. It was just things didn't, stars didn't align for me today. but they might tomorrow and then you can just go to bed and just have a bit more faith than tomorrow

rather than feeling like you're the failure and you've done the bad thing and like you've just not been good enough that's where I get my peace from it every day's a new day that's nice and every cycle passes but also astrology then gives us the opportunity to go okay

we know the energy's down like on Monday I know it's not personal to me how am I going to deal with this like how am I am I going to go for a walk I'm going to ring a friend. How am I going to acknowledge this instead of ignore it?

Don't you have that? Or maybe you don't. It doesn't matter if you don't. No, I respect it though. I really do. Like I, you know, and I don't want you to feel like rolling my eyes because I'm not unlike, obviously you've studied this and like it's amazing and your knowledge is incredible and I think it's really cool.

Yeah. But how's Betty during the full moon? Because that's how I... The dog. Yeah. And my dog's booer. You've got a really good memory. I've noticed that.

You've remembered all of these names. I'm like, how are you doing that? It's so good. How's Betty doing a full moon? Because Borel is the feck in mind. I don't know. I mean... Yeah, but she's a Camtarian.

How often do we get a full moon? One hundred a month. One time. Oh, God. I don't know. I'll have to tell you the next time. You let me know when it's full moon. If somebody's listening and they want to get into star signs

and astrology and start reading their charts and feeling all the magic, what to do, what to do? Well, my first. favorite book is a contemporary astrologer's handbook by Sue Tompkins. I'm going to buy it right now. It's really, really good. Every sentence is like, oh, I need to learn

that. That's an incredible piece of information. I remember reading it being like, I'm never going to learn all this. It's only one book. And you can study, I teach, there's loads of courses. The contemporary astrologer's handbook. Astrology's handbook. Thank you very much.

You teach as well, did you say? Cool. Yeah. Nice. I love teaching. Do you? Yeah, because it's nice doing one-to-one, but also it's a lot, doing one-to-one, because, yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot of listening and proper listening, you know, there's tiring listening, like, doing an exam or something. You seem really, like, tuned into people. Is that right? And do you think it's because of astrology, because of, like, reading people's...

I was like this before. Were you? Yeah. That's why I'm an astrologer. Yeah. Because I was just, like, you know, like I said before, like, I know people like this, and, you know, and... you remind me of someone, you remind me. That's my whole family, to be fair.

I remember one of my ex-boyfriends coming to my house and be like, who does you remind me of? He's like, it's only your family who does this. This isn't normal. Because maybe we're just pattern spotting. I think your family are like my family. We do that all the time. I mean, my sister's Sagittarius.

We do that all the time. And you've got to laugh just like that. Yeah, you've got a face that's really familiar. Yeah, so many, like I've, yeah. And my parents aren't really into astrology. They've got satin and Sagittarius, same as you. And so it's a slow, And I'm constantly, like, you know, dad will be like, he's really annoying.

And I'll be like, yeah, because they're also like, this is the other person that you find annoying. You're like, all right, okay. And why's that? And then I list all the traits of this sign that they don't like. And he's like, okay, next. Like, that was interesting, but they're not really sold on it. So, yeah. Have you converted a lot of people to astrology?

Have I converted? not really in the show we did in written in the stars we did I think I think because amazingly the boys that you know they're a bit like nah and what was amazing is they were all living in a house together

and getting to know each other meeting one another and learning the astrology whilst they were there and being like okay well that's undeniable you'll be in a Libra so that was really cool to see another than that friends and family I don't bother to be honest You don't need to

But they're not into it You know people are like Well your family must be really into it And I'm like unless they've got a big problem Yeah And then you're like Jesus My sister My sister's not really into it

But I'll be like I'll tell her something But like you're going to feel better on the 12th And she's like all right okay Thanks That's it's it take it on Is that the truth? Yeah yeah

With Mars Mars does station direct on the 12th of January January. Nice. And she's, it's her chart ruler, so it would impact her a lot. I love that. Your knowledge, that's incredible. Jesus. Your brain must be full. Like at capacity with all these like numbers and planets and yeah. Yeah. Don't sleep. Don't sleep. No. Just going three charts. I'll be in bed trying to work out my grandparents chart. You know, they're not alive. I'm like, what time when they're born, I'm going to work it out.

Oh my God. What was my granny? Scorpio I have no idea I don't know Yeah it's good Because family patterns are amazing And you said that That was something you said

About your mum Being a Gemini And your Mars and Gemini The family patterns are so interesting Because if you looked at Not only like your spouse But also your siblings And your parents

And then your grandparents And you looked at all their charts That is so interesting Because my brother My grandma My mum's a Pisces My mum's a Gemini and then my brother's a Pisces.

And you've got Saturn in Pisces. Yeah. And Saturn is the grandparents. So I will always ask someone what, you know, like the grandparent, I've got, my mum's parents were both Scorpio and I've got Saturn and Scorpio. Wow. Yeah, that makes her I've got my Saturn and Pisces. And your granny was a Pisces.

Yeah, because Saturn is like old, Saturn is Capricorn. So there's a link there. Yeah, and my mum's sister who actually, oh my God, this is so interesting. I will probably make me cry spontaneously because of the hormones. My mum's sister, who was her best friend who died when she was way too young of a brain tumour, but she was a Capricorn and my mum always says that I'm similar to with your moon and hell with my moon and Capricorn, which makes sense.

There's a lot of family partners on that side, actually, which is nice. And my sister, well, my sister and my mum would get on, they're so compatible, Sagittarius and a Gemini. Yeah. I'm totally laughed out, but it's fine. You've got your Mars and Gemini. Yeah, different calibre. Those two together, they're...

Chach, chat, chat. Yeah. And they riff and they're mean to each other in a way that I, I don't really. Yeah. I'm like, ah. Yeah. Yeah, that's like me and dad and my mum's cancerian.

And she'll try and cook a nice meal and me and dad are just like, whoa. Yeah. I'm just doing the roast potatoes and those two are like being horrible. I'm like, what's happening? Just be nice for each. She's like, don't cook this for this. And we're like, ha, you should be upset. But I remember reading it was like a pair of rough and tumbled puppies watching, you know,

the sad, Gemini. Yeah, that makes sense for my mother and sister. We're just having a well of a time, being horrible to each other. Yeah, that makes sense. Katia and Lucky are both Sagittarius are they? And they're horrible to each other They're horrible to me They're horrible to me

And my, hence my sister and one of my best friends And they're both Sagittarius And they're so similar And they got out the car And I was just like, oh no And I was like, they're going to be horrible to me Because it's just so funny to them And they are the whole time

I'm like, oh no Yeah So yeah When they said next thing at each other At my baby shower last week I was like oh for fuck sake They're so drawn to each other and they're just so horrible to me.

But I love it. I love knowing that. Yeah. Well, you're Martin Gemini. I will like it. Yeah, I do kind of love it. I'm like, come on, get me again. It is there.

Because my best friend's got the moon inside. And I remember at my 30th, she was slagging me off. And my sister's best mate was like bent double because she just never seen people behave so badly. But it's how we roll. Fun. Insults. Yeah. It is a love language of sorts.

They should add that as like the sick love language. And also a bit for Aquarius as well, you know, like. At the minute I said early. I've got all this stuff on my Instagram stories at the minute. And all the Aquarians have messaged me today and basically how do I be emotional? How do I do this? And I think a lot of the responses I got were operating from humour.

Like trying to open up and be really emotional. But if you just rinse them a bit, they'll be more comfortable. Yeah. Sarah really struggles to be emotional. She asks me all the time how to do it. I'm really, you know, I mean I should. By the time this podcast comes out, I hope I've got some insights into it.

Because they've all said to me, how do I stop being so close? How do I be so rushed? I want to connect with people. When you find out, can you let me know? Because I'm going to have an Aquarius kid, and I'm going to need to, like, know how to communicate with her. And I actually, I love Aquarius, but I would be interested to know how to talk to her. She has to talk first, I guess.

Maybe you have to get her before the therapy. Well, she'll be chatty. And again, you've got Marginemite. Yes, I'm going to need to her. See how she responds. I start trolling her. She must, she'll have Venus and Pisces, I think. I hope so.

She needs a bit of Pisces. Yeah, she'll have, yeah. That's nice. I'll do her birth chart soon. She's born. Yeah. See what we're at. See what we're dealing with.

It's quite nice, actually. People always text me first. Yeah, I'm definitely going to text you. You're not going to want this text. You always get the privilege of knowing when I've had the baby. Oh, I love that. Thank you so much. Thank you.

For coming on and giving us all your knowledge. Thank you. It's been super interesting. I feel like I know more about you actually than I did before. Do you? No, I knew everything about it. but I've loved hearing it again. I've loved it being validated.

But I've also loved it. I just think it's like I find it very comforting for me. So I like hearing all of this. So thank you very much. I loved it. Love you to meet you. Thanks. Oh, before we go, where can people find you?

Oh, yeah. So basically Francesca Audi astrology on Instagram, but I must warn you that there's all the scammers. You know how there's. Do you know this? No. So if you've got a, if you're a tarot reader or an astrologer or any kind of mystic, there's loads of people cloning our accounts and then heading to the DMs to be like,

hey, I'm really drawn to your energy. No. You need to send me 50 pounds to PayPal. You're kidding. And people, like, people get really drawn into it. So you, so if, please do come and find me, Francesco Audie Astrology. I've got about 20,000 followers. But if someone follows you in the following two days, who has,

1,000 followers and DMs you. Ignore them. I've got to give the warning. And then my website is Francescordi.com, but I mean, I need to update that. Okay, well, we'll put your, I'll put the link to your Instagram in the show notes. And thank you so much for being here. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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