Should I Delete That? - Influencers on Ozempic: Sasha Pallari’s experience on Mounjaro

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

We’re talking Ozempic, again. Our deep dive into body image may have wrapped up last week, but we all know this topic is far from over. So, we’re jumping back in…This time, we’re joined by influencer and longtime friend of the podcast, Sasha Pallari. After hearing our Ozempic episode, she reached out to share her own experience with Mounjaro — a journey she’s been candid about online over the past four months. In this conversation, Sasha opens up about why she chose to take the drug, how its impact goes beyond just weight loss, and where she sees potential dangers. Sasha offers us her unique perspective on the drug - how it has changed her life and why she has chosen to be so open and honest about it online. Follow @sashapallari on Instagram You can listen to Sasha’s podcast Spill which she co-hosts with Billie Bhatia wherever you get your podcasts!Watch Sasha’s YouTube video “OZEMPIC: has this weightloss trend gone too far?” hereIf you would like to get in touch - you can email us on [e-mail] us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That is produced by Faye LawrenceMusic: Dex RoyStudio Manager: Dex RoyVideo Editor: Celia GomezSocial Media Manager: Emma-Kirsty Fraser Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm not weighing myself every week. I actually don't technically give a shit what I weigh. But in terms of what it's done for my relationship with food, it has literally changed my life. Hello and welcome back to Should I Delete That? So we wrapped up our big body image series last week. But let's be honest, this conversation is so far from over. After we released our episode on OZempic, our friend and podcast, Sasha Polari reached out to us because she wanted to come on to discuss her own experience with Manjaro. This is a journey that she's been super open about online over the past four months. Just as a

side note, Manjaro is a GLP1 drug, which falls under the like catch-all term of Ozempic. So we kind of use Munjaro, GL-1s and Ozempic interchangeably in this episode. So in this interview, Sasha talks us through why she decided to take the drug, how it's impacted her beyond just weight loss, what her initial intentions were with taking the drug and where she lands on that now and where she thinks the risks come in. She also talks about why she's chosen to be transparent about her experience online. It's a complicated conversation and it's really nuanced, but hopefully you find some value in the chat we have. today. I know that we said that we'd be back with a catch-up this week, but we thought it was

really important to have this conversation and put this episode out now while we're in the midst of our body image conversation. Our catch-up with M will be coming next week, so please make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss out. And if you enjoyed our body image series, please, please leave us a review. We would be so grateful because it really helps us out. and of course please follow us on Instagram at Shuddley that to let us know if you want to hear more series like this in the future and if so what topics would you like us to focus on that's enough from me here's Sasha

Sasha Polari welcome back to the podcast hi girls hello that was that was big punchy yeah was it professional he was he was powerful he sounded like a sports pundit Sasha Flore welcome back to the podcast Thank you so much for having me again.

I know. This is a bonus episode. It is, it is. I'm speaking to you present tense, everyone. I know. We'll get into that. But we have just finished our eight-part body series. Which I loved.

Did you? Did you? There's a couple of episodes that I haven't, like, listened to, but the ones that I have loved and overall loved. Oh, good. Yeah. You should be well proud. Well, one of the last ones was our O-ZMPIC episode.

Yeah, I loved that one. Did you? Did you? Okay, that's good. I was going to ask for your thoughts on it because you reached out afterwards and said like, look, I've got, you know, my experience with taking GLP-1s.

What did you, okay, so what did you think of the episode first off? I love how Dr. Giles Yo, that's science, that's facts, that's proven, which I think is the biggest disaster with this whole, I would say, pandemic of skinny jabs, weight loss, injections, whatever you want to call them. And listening to that kind of science, factual information is fascinating. Obviously, there's a lot of stuff that I'd heard before

because obviously I researched it before, but I think it was so important that a lot of people listen to that and not what's circulating TikTok about these, you know, injections, medication, stuff like that. And yeah, he was just a very fascinating man. He was, I was obsessed with him. Yeah, I also loved your questions to him as well. I think I would panic in situations like that, getting trying to ask the right questions but actually the way that you asked you know do you

think celebrities have made it worse or whatever that then makes it easy for us to digest i'm saying us as in like listeners you know so thank you you're welcome maybe al's better place to talk about it but i think we i actually felt like it was overwhelmingly positive reaction yeah i feel very proud of what we did i i want to um like lay it down that i feel very strongly that we did not need to a biased, an impartial opinion on that. Yeah. I think we did, and it leveled out at being pretty impartial. Yeah.

But I don't think we did owe anyone that in the context of the series. And we can talk about that in a little bit. But I think on balance, we did a good job. I was happy with the job. But Al's had some messages, kind of countering that, which is interesting. I think I had my, I had my journalism head on and I was thinking about it in like, let's create a very full, rounded episode. Yeah.

like a documentary you would see on TV and in order to do that I felt that we needed to have someone give their positive experience as well but you're right in the context of our series and in the context of our work and what we do as body image advocates we didn't need to do that yeah particularly if we hadn't had if giles had finished and had said anything different I'd have agreed with you but giles really did make it make a case for gLP once he he was very honest but he was very positive they work they're safe and i also think what what you did so well with having that episode out there because i also know that if you'd have had an episode recorded with him then he'd said something that or a few things that just weren't aligned with

your integrity as people online i know you both that you would have scrapped that episode i just know that that would have happened so i think if we hadn't challenged him fairly because actually collect foster in episode three two she said things that we are absolutely not aligned with but I don't think I've listened to that one I think we did we counted her in a way that we did we felt that we're done our due diligence yeah and I don't mean that in a way that like what I'm trying to say is that it was really like a great thing that you put that out there because like hem said you didn't have to do that and ultimately the noise around this isn't going anywhere and like you said is getting louder and I think the biggest problem is that there isn't

enough actual factual scientific information available so by putting that episode out there alone it served that and I think that's really important and that's one of the things that I've had to be really careful with as well navigating this online I'm not going to have created an entire brand about being unfiltered and saying it how it is and everything you see is what you get and then lie about going on this medication like that just wasn't an option for me but it's been a very, very difficult thing for me to navigate because a lot of things can exist at the same time and a lot of opinions can exist at the same time. And it's stressful to see all of this stuff unfolding and just kind of maybe people will assume that you automatically go into one

of those boxes. And I know that I don't. Well, this is what we want to talk to you about because obviously you put this post out online, super honest, super vulnerable post about how you were planning on starting to take a GLP1, it's Manjaro, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I also would, if I could go back and remove me calling them weight loss injections, I would. Why? Because for me, and in my experience of taking them, they've done so much more than weight loss that that's actually where my focus, where I wanted it to be and where I have proven to myself it is, if that makes sense. so to be factually I'm still on the lowest dose possible when they advise you just keep climbing up

and keep suppressing your appetite and keep getting fuller I started taking them in the beginning of November so November December, January, February so I'm four months still on the lowest dose so my appetite is scientifically suppressed the least amount and I also don't really want to get too much into that sort of because I'm obviously not a medical professional but my if I wanted them for weight loss

then I wouldn't be on the lowest dose if that makes sense I don't want to sound like a challenge but I'm really curious about the choice at the beginning because before you did the research they were they are weight I mean that is kind of what they're sold as right is weight loss drugs was that the thing that was initially tempting because you didn't know that there was going to be

the positive lifestyle because that is not advertised the good stuff and the good lifestyle we're only hearing it advertised as weight loss weight loss yeah well the first thing that pricked my ears up about it was people talking about food noise and that was genuinely the number one thing that I turned my head because there's conversations and like receipts in my life where when this came out as weight loss and weight loss only I was like hell set bent against it like why would you just take an injection just to lose weight and you know I had really strong opinions in that sense

about them being weight loss injections when I started to hear people say that it quietened the noise in your head around food, which is something I instantly related to, that's when I started to change my tune about them and research more about them. And in that episode that you did with Dr. Giles, he says about there's been these positive effects about people stopping drugs and like addiction side of things, but it's not proven yet. That to me is like complete alignment to how I feel this medication has changed my relationship with food. I 100% not only had an unhealthy relationship, with food, but I would say I was addicted to it in every sense, not just addicted to eating, but addicted to thinking about what I was going to eat, addicted to thinking about how I could

punish myself with certain foods, addicted to like, it consumed my every single moment of my day. And in terms of what the medication has done for that, that has changed my life. And I can't, like, that's my number one. So yes, I have lost a little bit of, weight, but I've only weighed myself once in four months and that was to get one round of the medication, which is a whole other situation because it shouldn't be like that. Or it might have been actually twice because I had to sign up to a new doctor's and they always make you weigh yourself, don't know. But yeah, I'm not weighing myself every week. I actually don't technically give a shit what I weigh. But in terms of what it's done for my relationship

with food, it has literally changed my life. Do you think you would have started this medication, you know, incurred the expense of it and all of the potential side effects, complications and, you know, told everyone online, do you think you would have done all of that if weight loss wasn't a part of it? When I started it, no. Okay. If I knew now, yes. Okay. So when I started it, the place that I was with myself, with my body image, with my confident, weight loss was still an important factor. Where I am now with that feeling of having a more healed relationship with food and fueling my body with things that my body needs to survive and last longer and be fulfilled throughout the day, if you were to say to me, right, you can take

this medication and it'll give you all of that, but it won't give you any more weight loss. Would I still take it? Yes. But I can't lie and say that at the beginning, weight loss wasn't more important to me back then. And I don't think I've lost a drastic amount of weight. at all. But I have, you know, I stand by that everything I go off with body image and with my confidence, it comes from a feeling and how I felt then and how I feel now are very drastically different, but the weight loss isn't drastically different. I really want to talk to you about the decision to share it online and the kind of reaction and everything. But before we do, I just want to go back. And this isn't for you to answer because it's a much bigger thing. I just

welcome your opinion, both of your opinions on it. It's much. much bigger than I think any of us could conclude. But listening to you describe your relationship with food as addictive, it feels to me, and this is my concern with GLP-1s in general, you are responsibly finding a way of self-medicating a problem, which is a good thing for you in your life by the sounds of it. But it does worry me that people who might be feeling that way about was because of their food noise think oh my god this is the answer to my problem i'm going to use it not necessarily to lose weight but to cure myself yeah that worries me yeah it worries me too because i only know what i'm doing and i only know how i feel about my relationship with food so

someone might take exactly what you just said someone might take them and say i've quiet some food noise that's changed my life but have no interest or knowledge or resources in terms of nutrition So they might be thinking that they've healed their relationship with food, but eating way under their calorie intake, not enough protein, like all of that sort of stuff. And that is worrying because that is a form of, you know, not starving yourself, but completely, man nourishing, yeah. Whereas for me, I've always had this like baseline interest in nutrition

because I'm obsessed with food. Like I always have been, I love cooking, I love everything about it. So for me, it's increased that side of, my inquisitiveness around food. So I feel really strongly about that that my approach is a healthy approach to healing my relationship with food. But it also exists that there must be plenty of people

who maybe don't have that or don't have any interest in it and could just slip down the malnourish side of things and just drastically lose weight. I didn't even necessarily worry about their physicalities. It's more the psychological ramifications. I want thinking about addicts in another context, it would strike me as irresponsible for a drug addict

to take a drug, for example, that would stop them taking other drugs. Yeah. If they found that option, they'd be like, oh, wow, I'm going to take this one because it's going to fix that one. Yeah. Or I'm an alcoholic or whatever it is.

Because it's generally speaking, you'd want that to be done under, not a physical doctor, you'd want that to be done under a sort of psychological supervision. Yeah. That's where I think, although it does sound really, really positive, that this is where my internal, like, a conflict with the positive side of GLP ones comes is that I worry.

It's a plaster. Yes. And that self-medication is historically a disaster. Yeah. In that, you know, we look at people with opioids or people with whatever it is, people with alcohol, self-medicating without appropriate help is dangerous. Yeah. And I am in a relationship with a recovering addict.

and watching him navigate through addiction he will say time and time again drugs aren't the problem the reason you take the drugs are the problem so you can't just stop taking drugs and hope that it's going to go away like you have to go right back to the root cause of why you took that drug in the first place

and that's what he's done through therapy through spoken therapy and all of the other things that he's done cold alter therapy whatever you name it so for me it's also been really important in my mind that yes this is definitely helping me heal that relationship with food. But the medication alone can't be relied on, like, I have to learn more about nutrition. I have to learn more about what foods make me feel a certain way. I have to make sure that I'm educating myself in a way that, you know, if this medication

vanished off the face of the earth, do I have more tools than I had when I first started? Yes. Do I have more knowledge than when I first started? Yes. So that's really important for me to do that. If somebody said, you can take this for the rest of your life and you will feel this way and work with the medication the way that I believe I am, then I would still take it. But I understand that the noise that we hear around this medication, very few people, from my knowledge, are speaking in this way about them. Or taking them for that reason. Yeah.

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've heard, you know, you've got. you've got to understand as well that by sharing it like you know anything you share you open up a floodgate of what's going to come in so i have had to share it with my reasons for wanting to and the things that i've received back you know some have been positive some have been great

some of them have been like hard to to digest or hard to you know have i influenced someone to take it have i you know all of that stuff has has been a consequence of me being honest about my journey with it. Hate the word journey. We love it. We've embraced it. We hate to love it. We started out hating it and now it's

at least what's an episode. Wouldn't that be nice? So nice. Yeah. It's italic. Let's rewind then to you deciding to share that you were going to take a GLP one. As an influencer that does decide to do this,

you're treading a very, very thin line because if you don't admit to it and you're seen visibly getting smaller you know there's an inevitable barrage of you're taking us and you're taking us and you're being you know you're being really dishonest and deceitful and then if you do share it then are you promoting it that's the thing are you promoting it are you encouraging your followers to do the same it's really tricky why did you decide to share i think for me my entire brand is unfiltered and everything you see online is what you get and I think

I know you guys obviously you know me in real life and you know me online there isn't really much of a difference much like you guys I didn't feel like I would be able to comfortably hide that given everything else I've not hidden on social media and that doesn't mean to say that I bear all because there are obviously things that you know not everybody is going to get access to just because I am unfiltered and I am you know open and honest online

the second reason was hearing the amount of like harrowing noise around this medication, skinny jab, weight loss, you know, all of those words and situations, I really believed that my approach in taking it would be some positive, like a positive angle in amongst in my opinion what is hell like what you hear you know things like that episode people feel like violently sick and then continue taking it because they're just losing weight or people are having all of these side effects like i wanted to be i kind of wanted to be a safe space for the people that do want to change not change i wanted to be a safe space for for like this horrendous side of it.

Does that make sense? Does it feel like you're influencing people to take it? I, the amount I've spoken about it, I wouldn't say that it's been, this is probably the, this and a YouTube video to like set out how and why and what my intentions are to taking it. That's the most I've done. I don't make jokes about it.

I don't sort of like constantly post. about it. I don't address it in my DMs. So if people ask me for advice, I just don't, I don't engage in it. Do not come to me and ask me for advice on a GLP1 medication. Go to a medical professional. Go to your doctor. Like, not me. So the way that I feel I've navigated it, I don't feel like I'm influencing it. I feel like I'm more just being transparent about it. If somebody has taken it because they've seen me take it, that goes in the realm of like the fine lines of anything you share online. I would just hope that in the way I've shared it honestly

and my reasons for taking it, I would be, you know, and I've been very loud about do not get advice on TikTok, do not get advice on Instagram, go and see a medical professional. So I would hope that it's their choice that they've gone through all of those steps to take it themselves rather than Sasha Polari's taking a GLP one, so I want to take it. Does that make sense?

And I do think the sad reality is that any positive stories will encourage people to, I mean, weight loss is so desired. Yeah. And this is like being touted as easy. It's the answer. It's like the silver bullet. So I think, I do think that any, sadly, any, any positive story will encourage people to take it. But you're right, that is, I mean, it's your platform and you're allowed to share what you want on there. I also think as well, with the amount of people taking it, I did want to give my, what I believe to be a healthy approach to it.

Because like in that episode, sorry, I keep referring to this singular episode, but it's just because obviously it relates directly to JLP1s, there are benefits to taking it. And there are people that it's helping. So in amongst the noise of it being like, a skinny injection or something where you can drastically lose weight, I did want to make sure that my approach was there for like the taking also.

Yeah, and that's because there isn't much. And that's a good point as well, because people following you prior to you announcing this, like they will have been taking it already. Yeah. A lot of them will have been and potentially not in a healthy way. So that's another side of it as well is that perhaps they were encouraged to think about it in a different and more healthy way.

Yeah. It's complicated. It's so complicated. This stuff is really, really complicated. It's so, there's so much nuance in it, like, more than anything I've ever had to navigate before. It had a text from a friend who has not long had a baby. And when I read the text of her asking me advice, I burst into tears.

It makes me upset to talk about it. Because the thought of her feeling a certain way, that's like that's part of the body image that's part of the transparency that's part of the honesty that I feel like I couldn't reach you know so to have that and it was it was when I read it out to my boyfriend that I burst into tears and he was like whoa something that's just happened like let's go and talk about it I had to navigate that really carefully like I voice noted back and made sure that I was like listen you've just given birth you know like it's hard it's really hard thing to navigate.

Obviously, I'm at a similar point. It's, the thing is, right, with those M-Pickers, or GLP was. No, so many names. I know. I'm getting a lot softer on it than when I felt, like before Christmas and we were recording, before Giles, actually, before we were interviewing about this, I was like, oh, like, this is bad, this is, and I, I stand by a lot of the, a lot of my opinions on actually surmised really by what you've just said.

It's like that thing where we talked about it in the final episode where you wouldn't talk to your friend like you talk to yourself. Yeah. And I think it's really interesting that you wouldn't tell your friend to go on this drug, but you are on it. Yeah. And that feels like the crux of a big societal issue with all GLP ones for me is that we are telling ourselves that we need them, but we wouldn't say it.

I would, I could say to myself, I could really do with that. But I would never fucking dream of saying it to Alex or anybody else. Yeah. But I mean, don't get me wrong. My, my reaction to it didn't change my response to it. My response was, if you're doing it to lose weight, you know that's not what I'm a, but yeah, I get what you mean. Yeah. And I think I completely understand the pre.

That actually, because it is such a point in a woman's life, particularly where your weight is. And that does make me really sad to him. but it's like so inevitable and I am curious to watch as this goes with like breastfeeding yeah um and it worry it's this sort of thing that worries me that it's like will women be giving up breastfeeding because they want to be going on the drugs or whatever or on the flip side will people be doing more research into the safety because no one ever researches anything about breastfeeding you can't be fucking anything when you're breastfeeding because no one bothers researching it and I know this morality around it and whatever but fundamentally if men breastfed

they'd do the research I do I do wander with this because it is such a push from the government, it's such a push societally if they won't research it to get women who've had babies able to take this drug. And that's where it worries me because I do think we take advantage of vulnerability in lots of areas and I don't think there is a more vulnerable position than what I'm in when it comes to body image right now, what your friend is in, in those first few months in our first year after having a baby, you're so vulnerable. And I worry that we'll be targeted. Yeah. I mean, it's already fertility has come into it. Yeah, of course. I mean, we

I've heard from Dr. Giles about like ozempic babies. Yeah. I've seen it on TikTok. There are lots of women who are struggling with fertility that are taking it. And then get pregnant. In order to get pregnant. Yeah. It's really complicated.

I know. And that was the one part of the episode that really kind of like, when he said that about addiction, that is one element of this that just isn't spoken about. And I would genuinely say, and you know, have to be careful with the wording I use. like if I'm to think about food was an addiction for me and has this helped with that addiction and I say helped with because you have to meet it halfway or more than halfway, then yeah.

And when he said that, I was like, oh shit, like if stuff comes out about people taking this and stopping smoking and then after a certain amount of years they no longer want to smoke, even off the medication, that's like, that's miraculous shit. Totally. But I'd want that researched. Oh yeah, 100%.

And I want like 20 years of research on it before we start giving it to mentally unwell people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't help but like apply all of this to me and my experience with, I have thought, I have said for the like the longest time, like I have a food addiction. And that's like that's manifested in different ways throughout my life.

And this isn't to say that I'm approaching it any like in the right way or the wrong way or any like better or worse. way to you, but for me, I get, I get the appeal of a JLP one. I get it so badly because for you to take that away from me and to take that, the, the, the constant noise away from me and to like, I've heard people say it's like, maybe it's you, it's like having a, a blanket, like, throwing it. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think, or someone, or just like, to have it, like, free your head. Like, that is so appealing to me. Yeah. But I know that. I know that ultimately I have to do that work myself.

Yeah. But that's just, but that's where I, that's my conclusion. That's what I've come to with it. I don't know if that's right or wrong. I think it is right because I agree with you. And I, a lot of people said to me like, why don't you get, why don't you get an eating disorder therapist? And that's a completely valid question.

At that time in my life and in, in that level of rock bottom that I was sitting, I was already in therapy. I was doing therapy consistently for like 18 months. I've actually only just recently stopped. I've just gone through a divorce. I was in the worst financial position I'd ever been in. My career had taken a complete like pivot because as you guys probably know if in this job you need time to take for personal, it does knock on domino effect. So like everything was really fucking hard at that time. And it's like I couldn't even entertain the thought of another therapist for such a, you know, such another huge part of the problem. And it was, you know, backed up with the research that this would help that slightly.

But it's still something that I know I have to meet, you know, not halfway, but it's just that saying, isn't it? And for anyone, you know, it also doesn't work like that. It's really, really hard. Like, I've got a therapy, I've been in therapy for a really long time with all my eating disorder stuff like a really long time and I'm I still struggle with a lot of it yeah it's hard so I get it and I don't really know why I'm sharing all of this it's not to like push back against anything I guess it's just to provide like another like point of view for anyone listening who thinks that oh I have

this food addiction I have this food noise like my only option is to take gLP one it's definitely not the only option and also don't be scared to push back because you've got remember like I'm not sat here saying like they're incredible like everyone should take them like that's not what I feel. It's just there's so much conversation to be had within this huge, like, fucking galaxy of information that I know that this conversation is still important. But don't be scared to, like, push back and challenge stuff because that I'm challenging things, you know, myself, you know.

Can I put a question to both of you that Al, I'd like you to answer first? If you didn't have your audience, do you think you'd feel differently about taking it personally? Oh, wow. And Sasha, if you didn't have yours, would you have taken it quicker? Okay, so I didn't have my audience, but I've done all the body image work that I've done. Yeah, you're... Then I don't think so.

That's cool. No. There have been times that I'm like, oh my God, that sounds incredible to get rid of that food noise, I'm going to take it. But I just... Would be cancelled. well well yes but I mean I mean I could take it I could take it and hide it like I don't yeah that's like beyond the realm of possibility but I know I won't let myself I know I would never let myself do it I know I would never let myself take it because I have come so far with food

and eating and it's been like the biggest bane of my life and I have and again whether this is right or wrong like psychologists might be listening and being like you're missing a trick whatever it's my that is my decision I've come so far and I've come so far and I've I've worked so hard on it. I have to see it through to the end. And, you know, let's see where that'll take me. Is there an element of fear with it, do you think, for you? Of, like, because you've done such a good job of, like, getting control of fixing it yourself.

Because you've worked so hard. Yeah. Do you think there'd be an element of, like, oh, fuck, I don't want to hand it over to someone, something else? Like, because I'm, I can control this now. I would be worried that it would trigger me as well into going backwards. I've always had such a tricky relationship with losing. weight. I don't, to, I know that with me, I think it would be in the wrong hands. Yeah. I've got that side of me, that obsessive side that will always be there and I think it

would like spark that. I know it would. I know it would. I'm so pleased you know that, but that's what makes me nervous is for the positive effects that you've had, Sasha, from having it for this specific issue, which obviously you share without to an extent, you know, it's this sort of different side of the same coin. You worry that people who haven't, come as far as you are will take it because they want what you're getting Sasha and then go down the other and it just takes you down the wrong way what I find so interesting about that is everything you just said yeah bar the obsessive thing because food is the only thing I've ever had an obsession with okay I felt the same so I before taking it I was like am I giving up am I giving

in I've worked so hard and I didn't have diagnosed eating disorder I think I just I would probably say it was classified as disordered eating. But I felt the exact same. And I remember before taking the first injection, you would have thought I was performing fucking open heart surgery on myself. Like, I was, it was like a real huge thing for me, whereas you've got people on TikTok breaking the fucking pen

to get extra dosage out of things, which is just wild. Like, I don't even like taking paracetamol for fuck's sake. Like, it was, for me, it was so huge. But I knew that I wasn't going to weigh myself every week.

Like a lot of people, I knew that I was going to be able to control that. And like you know you wouldn't, that's, you know, I respect that a lot. But yeah, there is that worry that what if someone doesn't know if they'd be able to control that or not? What if someone would take it, not even thinking about how often they're going to weigh themselves, weigh themselves every week, get addicted to weighing themselves, and they're on another trajectory entirely.

So in the way that you know yourself, I took it because I, I know myself in that same way, but they're different ways. Does that make sense? But yeah, there's, there, there is a lot of massive worry around who's taking it, who's being given it, who can access it, why they're taking it, what they want to achieve from it is that, that doesn't scare me any less than it did before when I was like, hell set bent or never taken it. Can I just feel that same question to you with your audience?

Was it? They've taken it sooner. Well, yes. And was that a barrier? Was the what people, because I mean, I imagine in lots of people in you two, we three, whatever, feel it heightened where it's like you know you're going to be judged on a decision and making and making a decision and opening up about it, whether it's to friends, family or to like hundreds of thousands of people on the internet, like that what people think is a barrier for a lot of people with a lot of things. And I don't think this is this can be discredited as part of it. You know, the judgment of those around them. For you, was it a consideration? that you were going to be judged for doing it? Do you know what? No.

I don't think so. I think based off the research I'd done and the place that I was in, it felt very aligned that it was the right thing for me to do. I would say that I felt far, far more judgment in terms of sharing my divorce online. Really? Really?

Oh, mega. Really? What does that say to society? It's like saying an unhappy marriage I don't think I've ever said that out loud or thought it out loud but by you asking me that question they're the only two things I can think of

that they're the biggest things I've shared online and I would say that the decision to take a GLP1 medication was so much more aligned and felt right for me than it did sharing that I decided to walk away from a marriage. The judgment I felt for that was just like

that's drowning that's extraordinary yeah yeah I guess there's one thing that I'm I'm realizing as we're talking that we haven't necessarily touched on is the fact that you your platform has always been around like body love and self-confidence and yeah in your own words I guess what how would you say unfiltered is your brand yeah actually so glad you brought that up because it was something I was thinking about yesterday if you look at my feed and you look at the things I've shared over the last two years, it has changed. And my ability to show my body in certain ways that's changed a lot because my confidence has been the lowest it's ever been within the last two year period. And I'm not just talking about confidence I see in the mirror. I'm talking about

confidence in so many aspects like walking away from the relationship I had, the confidence knocks in my ability to fill out a form or to look after my finances or to, you know, buy a house or, you know, all of those like huge big things that I'd been a partnership of from such a young age, like 22 to 32, fuck, no, 22 to 31, so like nine, 10 years, I had so much safety and stability. So the confidence that was lost from me walking away from that just knocked me for six and yes my body image was in amongst that but it wasn't it wasn't just that there was so many elements of my personality that I started to question and ultimately that's that was the breaking point for me going to therapy because it was just I couldn't get a grip on any of it

so I would say that fundamentally my opinions and my ethos and everything I care about hasn't changed but through being as transparent and honest as I am I've not been able to show up for other people to make them feel better about their body image because it's not been the priority for me to even focus on like I've needed to focus on getting out of bed every morning and I've needed to focus on getting a control of you know X, Y and Z. So it's changed in the way I've presented but it's not changed in terms of what I believe in here. With that in mind and kind of with the with your brand being such a big part of you are because like you say it's one and the same. Can I ask where your opinions are at with body altering surgeries,

treatments, whatever you want to call it, in relation to GLP wants? Do you kind of see them a separate one and the same? I'd say separate. And I'd say my opinion on them hasn't changed. So like if you were to find an interview of me speaking about them three years ago, I would say your body, your choice, but please dear God, make sure you've thought about it and you're doing it for you and you're not doing it for anyone else. On a personal level, though, would treat them the same for yourself? I mean, basically, I guess what I mean is when we talk about GLP ones in the context of like the body positive or body self-love community, whatever, I think people hold everyone in very high stand, to very high regard. I imagine if you got Botox or had a

nose job, you would probably receive this. I wonder what you think, the judgment, would you get more for that or more for the GLP ones? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get what you mean. No, I see them separate. from my point of view. So for me to go and get a nose job would be for a very different reason for me taking GLP1. So for me to go and get a nose job

would be to, it's actually a rubbish question because I like my nose, but not quite, it's a rubbish answer, sorry because I like my nose, but if I was to go and get something, like Botox or something,

you know, something I think about, oh, would I want that, would I not want that? That is for a purely, there's no questioning for an aesthetic reason to I want to look less wrinkled or I want to look like I'm aging slower.

And I'm not, bashing, wanting to have, you know, certain aesthetics about yourself, that's fine. But for me personally, they're separate because the result is separate. Does that make sense? But is it? Because weight loss and you're still doing a thing to alter your appearance so that you fit a societal norm? I think, but I think for me now, weight loss is part of it, but not wholly it.

I mean, sorry, I'm really like pushing you down this. I don't know necessarily why, but I feel like I've started, so or finished. But I mean, like, at the beginning when weight loss was the pole, as it is for a lot of people, before you knew of all the good stuff. Was one of the pools, not the soul pool. And that's why I regret calling it weight loss injections back then because it gave it, I would say that that gave a, what's the word I'm looking for? Preconception? Yeah, well, it like presented it to my audience that if I called them weight loss injections, to me, that's the private, the, fucking out

the prime I've said my baby brain to all of you share it with me that osmosis by calling it that that's the prime reason that I was choosing to take it and I regret doing that

because even back then it wasn't the prime reason it was one of the reasons but yeah no I totally get the question and I just think it's subjective to the person and I can see how someone

would be able to say it's the same or it's for the same reason if somebody was taking it to be skinny or to look a certain way and that same person went and got a nose job to me I see that as the same thing but to me for my reasons me going to get Botox would be for an aesthetic reason this isn't solely for an aesthetic reason and it's been interesting navigating losing weight throughout it and watching my body change throughout it because I still know that my body with all the of the privileges I have, I know that to make my body look like insert most desired

female celebrity who's got a faultless body, I would have to undergo a lot more than fucking GLP1, that's for sure. Like, I'm covered from head to toe in stretch marks. I would have loose skin in areas. I've covered from head to toe in cellulite. My tits don't match the curves that I have. Like, there's a lot more I would need to do in order to have this desired body for society to say, yep, tick, you're perfect. So it's been interesting for me as well to navigate how my body's changing through losing weight as slowly as I am because there's things that I am still working on that I was working on before I took them in order to accept and, you know, almost not care about my body

in the same way that I did growing up as a kid. So it's just, it's so personal and it's so subjective and it's so great. in the middle of black and white. Do you think you'll get there with your body? You said on your YouTube video that you did about GOP1s, you said it made you sad that you couldn't get to a place where you loved your body. Do you think you'll get there?

I would still like to hope so. Yeah, I would really like to hope so. And I think my expectations have changed as well. Like what I just explained to you, I think there was a really long time where I thought that image would be for me to love my body. Whereas now I'm starting to accept that it won't ever look like that. But is there still a possibility in which I could learn to love it? Yeah.

And when I say love it, I'm not talking wake up every day. Oh, love my body today because I loved it yesterday and I'm going to love it tomorrow. Like life doesn't work like that. but I would love to have you know a cup that's like majority of the time full in terms of love for my body and that is definitely something that I'm still working towards but it comes from so much more than how my body looks it comes from so much more how anyone's body looks like I want to have more gratitude for what my body can do the fact I'm able body the fact I can go to the gym and move my body the fact I can just decide to get up and go for a walk like I want to have more gratitude for those things that is what fills up your cup for you. for loving your body. It's not just how your body looks and I still stand by that. So yeah, it's been an interesting one to navigate

with that being said. I feel like we could talk for another six hours on it because there's so many still like... There's so much to cover. I know. And I hope you don't think we're giving you a hard time here. Like we have to... Please don't think that at all.

Yeah, I mean, you know, we have to unpack all of this and like get to the route of... what is going on with this like massive cultural phenomenon but like there is you know I just want you to know there's no judgment that you're taking it or that you shared it you know I get it I fully fully get why you would take it and I get all of those reasons like I understand fully and you know obviously my reasons for not taking it are bigger than that they outweigh that but like there is no judgment for anyone that doesn't yeah and you know and you sharing it as well I think it like

We commend your bravery with that because that wasn't an easy thing to do and there are lots of people, lots of creators and influencers who are taking it and shrinking and saying that it's the gym. If I hear one more fucking... I just love the gym. Can I say one thing that is petrifying

is how many people are taking it? Petrifying. I'm really pleased to hear you say that because obviously we've been friends for years and I love them respect to you and I love your content I'm really proud of you for sharing this. And I do think there is a really important place

for this part of the conversation. And like you say, everybody's fucking on it. So it's really great that you're saying. Yeah. Because you are giving so much nuance to it and you are being so sensible with it. But overwhelmingly, it's fucking terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying.

Yeah, 100%. I feel like you're smart and you're lucky that it's working in this way for you. Because I worry that that combination isn't going to be. there for everyone. No, it's not. And I think like, please don't worry about anything that you don't go and have one of these fits you have after. You like, did I say that? Like, for you guys to you wait for that message if I'm going to get. I was like, by the way, when I said that, I meant shut the fuck up. I'm going to forward. I'm going forward. I'm going forward. I'm going forward

all to stuff all the messages I get tonight. No, but like for you guys to, I think one of the reasons why I was so desperate to talk to you guys about it is because you facilitate such safety for conversations around stuff like this and there is so much nuance involved in it and you know even through having this conversation with you both i've learned stuff i've questioned things you know and vice versa and that's a really like great thing that we're able to sit and have a conversation where there's no opinion leading one way or the other i don't feel an ounce of judgment from you guys and if i did i wouldn't care anyway because i've shared it online so like you know so i think you know like thank you so much because there are very few places that I feel, especially in an online

capacity that I feel I'd be able to talk this openly about it. Sasha, we love you. Thank you so much. Love you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Should I delete that as part of the ACAS creator network?