Should I Delete That? - International superstar Harry Trevaldwyn

Episode Date: June 5, 2022

Em’s drunk again and Al’s sick of her new stairs…This week, the girls interview Em’s school friend and drama partner Harry Trevaldwyn, now an incredibly successful superstar actor in his own right. After deciding to take his career into his own hands during the pandemic, Harry reluctantly began posting sketches to his Instagram. They went viral, he got an agent, landed a role in The Bubble with comedy giants and then starred in the UK’s take on the cult hit Call My Agent! A true breath of fresh air, he brightened our days and we hope he brightens yours!Check out Ten Percent on Amazon and Harry’s Comedy Blap, Billi, on All4Follow Harry on Instagram @HarryTrevaldwynFollow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] & edited by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oh my god, why did I post that? Ah, I don't know what to do! Should I delete that? Yeah, you should definitely delete that. Hello, hello, hello. Hello, oh, hello. I have a sunburned bottom lip. I can't smile with my mouth.

I'm smiling with my eyes. Hello. Hello. I hate you. I hate you for your sunburn. And like honestly, like if you could see the video footage of us. right now like you are in like this beautiful flowy orange dress and you're all bronzed and your hair's all beachy and you're on honeymoon in an exotic country and I look like actual poo I look

disgusting my hair hasn't been washed in over a week at this point I've got no makeup on and I'm so spotty at the moment I don't know what it is but I'm because I don't normally get spots but I am I'm getting so many spots on my cheeks as well that's really weird anyway I just two things no three things I've got three things to say first of all you don't know spotty from here Second of all, I forgot my second thing. Third of all, I have a recommendation for you. You don't have to take it. But for the spots, I have a product.

An antibacterial spray. Yeah. Sorry, I had a bottle of wine at lunch. Like a whole bottle to myself. We'll get onto it. But for now, I had a, I don't know, the spray. Yeah, the clinic, it's a cool clinic sooth. And it's a antibacterial spray.

And I got recommended it by a facialist because my skin was trash, basically. And it's completely transformed my skin. And I've put everybody onto it. Like my sister's using it. Sarah's using it. I'm getting so. Um, okay. Because that was one of my bards for this week. I was thinking about it before. I was like, I'm this bad, and that bad. And actually, I'm just going to have five bads. That's the kind of

mood I'm in. So I can tick one off the list because I already said it. I'm very spotty at the moment. But you're in a new house. You're in a new environment. I don't recognize this room that you're in. I know. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah, you've changed. It's changing. I'm a wife. You're in a new house. I know. You've spots. Neither has. Well, like, like growing up. I know it's so bizarre. I'm in an actual house. I mean, it's still attached.

Is that what you call, say? It's still attached. Attached to what? Or like semi-detached? The floor? It's just, it's been semi-detached, I don't know. Well, I mean, that's quite logical,

but yeah, it's pretty chaos here. It's, uh, it's no fun. Like, whoever said that, like, I don't know, understand anyone that enjoys moving house because it's just horrible and there's just boxes everywhere still. And I think the worst thing is the mental capacity required to make the decisions of like, where should this go? Or like, this doesn't necessarily have a place. What place do I mean? Oh, it's just too much. It's just too much hitting you with all my bads. I was complaining to you before we

started recording about stairs. It's the first time since I was 18 and I left home that I've had lived in a place with stairs. And it is just chaos. I keep thinking like, oh God, I've got to go upstairs to get this, I'll get upstairs, inevitably get distracted by something, and then walk back downstairs and be like, oh my God, I didn't get the thing I went upstairs for, and I've got to go all the way back upstairs and come down again. It's just a lot. It's just a lot. It is a lot. But it's good for two things. It's good for your mental, it's like brain training, good for your memory, and it's good for your calves. So whatever way you look at it, you're going to benefit you. Yeah, my fitness levels will improve. Someone actually said leave a basket at the bottom of the top of the

stairs so like you could put things in and those are things that need to go up and no i feel like that's a dedication to either shit memory or shit calves and you have to throw yourself in and be like and i say this is somebody like i don't think you came to my old flat but the flat i lived in before i live where i live now it was all stairs like it was a it was one of the i mean like london flats are weird anyway but it was like tall and thin like you're in you're up the stairs you're up the stairs you're up the stairs you up and it was like five floors but every road was on a different floor. So I lived with Sarah, who you know,

and you come up upstairs and then it'd be like Sarah's room, and then you come up the stairs again, and then you come up the stairs again, and then it's bathroom, then you come up the stairs again, and then you go up the stairs again, and it was the roof terrace. And it was like, stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stares, stairs. So many stairs. And I just got very good at either remembering what I went upstairs for,

be forgetting what it was, or like just not giving a shit about what it was that I didn't have. Like, oh, I don't have my, don't have my phone. Okay, well, it's just a no phone day because I'm not going back up the stairs. Or you just get really fit at going up and down the stairs. Sometimes it's a little, it's like a Venn diagram. It's one of three things. Yeah, okay, it's a challenge, okay.

I've just got to be less lazy. But anyway, how are you? Let's not start on a negative, already have, but how are you? I'm great. Hit me with your goodness, because I'm living through you right now. You went to see a tortoise yesterday. A big, big, big, big thing. So cute.

Yeah, I'm driving. I'm having the best. time it's so yeah it's so good like obviously I'm still here which is great I'm still married which is stunning it's been like 10 days still fab oh everything so we got so many of our wedding photos through and they've been lovely we got our first wedding video through which is just just like killed me it's like keep watching it I'm actually like astounded at how big my smile was like for the day yeah and everything here's just it's so surreal we've been so consistently drunk like it's actually like this there's a buffet at breakfast right and we've got like

a half board here so like breakfast is included and we're like okay well we're gonna enjoy breakfast huh and there's like champagne at breakfast and you can put little like things in it with like Alex puts peach flavor in his and I put champagne oh this is we're gonna just be like fuck you I'm out um I love so like a balini I love those but it's like you start the day there and then the only way you're either up or down depending on which way you look at it and we're just having the best time

Half board means you don't have lunch right so you've got breakfast and dinner so you're like eating loads at breakfast so like carry you through yeah and then but yeah but then you know unless you've hung out with Alex you don't really understand his capacity for food but it's not enough

like we've to have lunch but we're just driving and we're having actually this is our first like holiday like abroad for me and Alex like more than like a weekend we did a couple of city breaks but I think because he's obviously from Dublin like every time and my mum's from the Isle of Man every time we could get holidays we'd go either to the Isle of Man where my mum's from or from Dublin to Dublin where he's from so we haven't really had like the holiday days to go away and I don't know how it's happened that it's like I waited

until I was a wife to do it but now I'm like there's no one telling me what I can eat or where I should eat it or like whatever so we just like sit like she just like shall we have chips on the beach for lunch and a bottle of wine yeah let's do it so radical it's so good it's so good um so yeah i am very happy for you thank you so yeah it's still great don't worry next week i'll be back i'll be miserable i'll moan i'll have bad but you know what i'm just gonna lay it down i've no bad i've no bad this week there is nothing bad that's good because that means that i can give you some more then to fill in your bad so that's nice that's good let's get like everyone like everyone's sick of my like just fucking joy over here

it's sickening it's revolting it's bullshit enough go come on hit us with the bads let's go let's go we got spots we got stairs what else have we got spots stairs um betty a problem that we absolutely did not foresee but this house is completely wooden floors the entire place apart from one set of stairs which is in carpet and turns out betty is terrified of wooden floors which is really weird because she's lived on wooden floors before but I think this one is extra shiny and she's just terrified so she's playing she's constantly playing the floor is lava like just literally hopping from like island to island like you know rug to rug we basically laid towels down and bath mats and anything we can find like just random like

rugs and throws and she's just hopping from like one to the next and bless her but she's She's, she won't get, so she sleeps on our bed and, but she can't get down from the bed. She's too scared. So she's just, she's just sat at the edge of the bed, just moaning and it's really, really sad. I've never heard someone describe a dog's crying as moaning before. Like, you know, like, me like, whining to be like, oh fuck's sake, it's fucking raining again, missed the bus. Like, Jesus, the cost of living's going up a lot, isn't it? Do you get your electricity though this month's like, oh, that's a moat.

And she's crying. She's whining. A wine. Yeah. And she's crying. And it's so sad and it's making me so sad. So, but we're making progress. So we are getting there.

But God, it's so horrible to see your dog sad, isn't it? It's like actually, it's like soul destroying. It's like heartbreaking. There's some door frames, Boa-hah hates. There's some door frames, Boa-hate. There's some stairs, Boa-hate's, like, inexplicably, just absolutely terrified of them. It's, I wish, I could ask them to be like, are you like, what's up? What's up?

Yeah, tell me. Yeah, let's work. Like, what is this triggering in you? Yeah, because we could deal with this. But you just can't do that with a dog instead of dogs. I know. Shit. Because they're nonverbal.

So, yeah, so that's kind of chaos. And then, like, I put it on Instagram and then a few people like, oh my God, you have to watch this dogs behaving badly program. Like, I don't know if you've heard of it, but this dog trainer and he, like, fix his problems. And like, there's one episode where he, um, basically there's a dog who has a phobia. of wooden floors and he sorts the dog out. So I watched that and said on Instagram, okay, thanks for your suggestion and watching that. And then loads of people were up eye and were like,

no, that's terrible advice, this man's awful. Like, he doesn't even have his qualifications. Like, don't do this, don't do that. And so you're like, what do I actually do? Like, dog people that know, like, it's a really stressful thing. Because ultimately you know your dog best, but sometimes it's the same as like, it's like the mum, like the mums that get angry with the other moms

that I don't know because I'm not a mum and I've not got angry with another mom but sometimes you can look at it on Instagram and you can see like oh god people judge mom so heavily I feel like people do that with dogs too like dog people they do they absolutely do it's like okay we're trying

and also I've said this to you a million times and I've said this to so many of my friends who have dogs that like are struggling with something and it's like sometimes Bua gets a bit dramatic about something and I have to look at her and I tears my heart out I'm like oh God she's struggling blah blah and then I have to look at it I'm like

look at you look at you look at where you came from and she came from like this horrendous of a place and she had like a covered in shit and flees and she was having a horrible wife and now she gets a papatino every Friday and she listens to South London and that's like like all these friends who go to the funeral parlour and I

get her seasonal collars like so and sometimes you're people like oh you shouldn't do this with your dog and I'm just like on balance she's doing grand and you know your dog as best as anybody else like as better you know your dog better than anybody else does so yeah

Betty wants to play Flores Lava That's what we'll play Let her play it I mean that is what Dave said to me before I was like Do we've ruined her life She's so sad And she's never going to get over this

And he was like Al come on Can I just like try and inject Some like rationa Like she's okay Like she's living a very very good life I know we shouldn't go with comparison Because comparison is The Thief of Joy

But also she came You found it on the side of a road in Cyprus and now she doesn't like the shiny wooden floors in his stunning rental property on violence I think she's probably she'll be okay oh god I hate these floors take me back to Cyprus I can't coat there's so many stairs

look at this parkour flooring it's too much it's so shiny I can see my glossy coat in there it's just too I can't I think on balance she'd probably still choose she'd still choose life for you over yeah yeah she's

probably okay. She's probably okay. I will just calm down. I also have to tell you, I'm sorry, there's just so many bards, honestly. Oh my God, well, you'll have, you've seen this on Instagram and probably a few people saw it on Instagram, but the weirdest thing happened to me last night I just have to like tell you about in person because it was just so, like the strangest thing that's ever, ever, ever happened to me, like in my life.

So I was in a coffee shop, working in a coffee shop and Dave went back to the flat. We couldn't be at the flat because it was just a chaos. So Dave went back to the flat and I stayed in the cafe and I'm just literally working away on my laptop in a world of my own, like just focused on my screen, nothing else. Like I knew someone was sitting beside me because like when she arrived I smiled at her and like as in like hi, you know, sitting beside me like hi.

And then I was, I had a vague idea that this girl was on the phone but I didn't care what or why. I just could hear someone talking beside me. and literally I got snapped out of my little world when I heard she's blonde she's wearing a leather she's wearing a denim jacket and a leopard print skirt I've got the Alex's like uniform

literally my uniform so I just looked down and I was like what the fuck and then I looked at her and she was looking at me and she was on the phone and I was like what the fuck and I just didn't and I said to her like what what's going on

I was like what's going on and she was like And then she said into her phone, now she's trying to talk to me. Like, what do I do? And then she said, I can't talk to you. The police have told me I can't talk to you. So I was like, oh my God, she's on the phone to the police. So I rang Dave, like in an absolute panic being like, Dave, someone's calling the police on me.

Get here right now. And he's like, sorry, what, someone's calling the police on you. And I was like, yes, run to the cafe right now. So he absolutely like sprinted over, arrived. And she was at the door because she was like, I have to get away from you. went at the door on the phone to the police and he was like what's going on then she was like you know her husband's arrived what do I do and then she said the police said that I can't talk to you go away from me blah blah blah and it was like honestly it was one of the most surreal moments of

my life but like at looking back like I'm so stupid like looking back I just genuinely thought that I'd done something wrong and I was just trying my best to work out like what I'd done wrong I was like, have I stolen her laptop by accident, like put it in my bag or something? Like, have I, I don't know. I was like, what was on my laptop screen? Was I doing something illegal or like, what the hell was going on? Did she see me watching that really weird porn earlier? I was like, what has she seen?

So anyway, I then, basically, in the end she left, I was terrified. And then I rang the non-emergency police line. And they told me that basically she thought, like she said, reported that I was swearing at her and like calling her names and stuff. it turns out it looks it sounds like it was a um it was it was mental health issues but absolutely just just really really terrifying because then i i i put it on instagram and so replied to me and said i wish they had arrested you and your husband would have done the world of favor and like you know we get shit like that all the time but that just felt really scary and i was like oh my god is it my mind just started like going into overdrive i was like

is it her does she know who i am and then i was like was she looking at my lap because she had full view of my laptop the whole time because I wouldn't have thought not to give her full view and she will have seen my email signature she might have seen my Instagram account so I don't know I had a had a mega paranoid weekend and I rang the police again just to be like can you just tell me like was you know she done this before like is this normal like has she done you know has she done this before is it like a one-off like is it just me or like I don't know I just got very paranoid but yeah really weird then the police is like we can't tell you anything like that and I was like well the woman yesterday gave me all the details like exactly what she thought

what she reported that I was saying to her and blah blah blah so anyway long window story but that was fun it's so weird like that's the most I mean for you of all people horrifying situation horrifying yeah bless you I thought you were joking and I kept sending you like stupid gifts on Instagram I was like take out of jail and because I kind of really didn't realize I was really didn't realize I was really it was So me and my Alex are like, lo, she's going to prison, I'm going to get my prison pen pal after all, finally, yay! But actually...

That did make me laugh. Yeah, thanks. But actually quite terrifying as well, bless you. I can't, yeah, well, actually, I take that's my awkward of the week, and it's so, so pales in comparison to this, but it's actually just a reminder of actually how traumatising what you went through is, because I hate people looking at me, particularly, for some reason,

in a restaurant or a cafe. So the idea that you're going to do that where everyone's going to look at you and be like, oh, what does she do? Even though you did nothing, it's like horrendous. I also don't want to go in first. Same. Like, I don't want people looking.

And then it's like, and then they're like, oh, where are you going to sit? And I've got to choose a table. I don't want to choose a table. I don't want people looking at me while I'm choosing the table. What if I make the wrong choice about the table? I just, I can't bear it. But it's not normally a massive problem

because we don't really go out that much at home. You know what I mean? Like, I just kind of live with this like random anxiety. but here because we're in a hotel so there's the restaurant that you've to go in for your half or for your breakfast and your dinner all the time and the lovely people that work here they're like oh after

you and I'm like no no after you and they're like no no after you so my awkward happens literally twice a day when we just have this fun game of after you after you after you no seriously after you and we just sit there for fucking hours playing after you and I hate it I don't know why I find it

so awkward. I'm like, what if I choose wrong table? Oh, I don't know what it is. I can't explain it. It's really random. But it's actually been, I've been more aware of it since your situation with the police. I'm like, this is, this must have been the worst thing that could have happened to you because I hate people looking at me in a restaurant. And then, yeah, and you had the attention. The entire cafe. The entire cafe.

It's like, and the police. Like, that girl is literally getting arrested more How on earth did you walk down the aisle? That's like the ultimate. That was my worst thing, is when everybody looks at you, I'm so confident in certain situations when I'm scripted, when I know what's up, I'm cool, I'm fine. But in a situation where I just have to like walk

and people look at me, that's horrendous. Like being watched, and I don't know, I still don't know how you did it at your wedding, being watched walking down the stairs is probably my idea of hell. Yes. I tell you what it is. if I die and I go to hell I think the first thing

of the hell experience for me will be walking down the steps to hell and everybody in hell will be watching me walk down the stairs and that'll just be that 100% and I'll just be like oh my god I'm going to trip I'm going to trip I'm going to trip I'm going to trip because I'm so scared my depth of field is so terrible anyway

and my spatial away and it's so terrible anyway already when I get on the stuff I'm like oh and then if people look at me like oh and you know when you do a step and it's like a fake step and it's like it wasn't a real step or wasn't a real step and you don't know, an endless flight of stairs. People are looking at you. That's hell. That's my hell. Walking down the stairs at my wedding was absolutely horrendous and I did everything in my power

to like make it happen so that I didn't have to do it. But there was just no way around it and I just had to and it was awful. Could you not afford a slide? Yeah, can you imagine? Slide down the banister. But it was all made so much worse by my dad who was walking me down shouting left, right, left, right. And I was. I was like, Dad, no one can see my feet. Stop it. Just let me try and get down this in one piece, not worry about which I'm putting down. Left, right. I was like, stop it. No, horrible. Walking downstairs is horrible. I hate walking downstairs. So yeah, my awkward is just me. My awkward is

just me walking. But it was exacerbated by your trauma of this week, which has given me a whole new awkward to consider to catastrophize about. I know that we never want to refer to me to. But now it's terrifying at which am I'm going to rest of me who's going to call the cots on me which one of you is going to snitch on me because you just never know you just never know you don't trust anyone out that's what I've learned oh my god I missed I missed like the part of the story that was like had me freaked out the most was that loads of people then DM was like oh my god this is a TikTok prank like it's a prank and they were videoing you like filming you and it's going to like show up on TikTok and I was like I would drop dad like absolutely drop dead because it was

Em, it was so embarrassing. I was, like, crying. But you know that cry when you're hysterical? Because I was just like... Oh my God, please tell me this was a TikTok brand. I would die. Honestly, like, I quit the podcast. I quit Instagram.

Like, you'll never see me again. Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. Before we get into other things, can we just, like, make... Because this was supposed to be a cultural... This is supposed to be a cult... Wait, what?

What was it supposed to be? Culture podcast? A culture podcast? What's it? Is it? What do we host? Yeah, like, culture... What's it called?

Like, how... How long have I been away from the news? Pop culture. Pop culture. Yeah, like cultural awareness. No, cultural affairs. What's it called? Current affairs, current affairs.

Yes, good. Woohoo. Am I again? Like what? But this is probably like a bad for the world. I saw it on your Instagram story actually. And my Alex was very keen that we talked about on the podcast. Love Island's back.

It's coming back. And the line up was released. Yes, yes, yes. What was saying? Oh my God. do you know what I'm not I'm not surprised because last year I was really surprised I don't think you weren't surprised last year were you but I really was because I thought I thought like things have come on too we've we've come on too much and there's too much awareness around like body diversity now

and like body positivity and stuff like that I was like they're going to have to be even you know a tiny bit diverse they're going to have to dip their toe into diversity and they didn't so this year I expected nothing different and I'm just yeah but you know what someone someone messaged me and made a really good point and said that you know maybe a lot of people in bigger bodies are just not applying because they're terrified of the reception that they get which is and also so true if you put one I think we talked about this last year if you put one person yeah in a bigger body on that show one person that doesn't fit the societal normal even this love island norm that they've created they are the person that's going to stand out they're the

ones that's going to receive the trolling and it's just not fair until and like because you can't just have like a token diversity casting totally it's not fair on that one individual even if you have three it's not fair on the three until the masses until the majority is diverse but then that's just not going to happen because right exactly until they got like a genuine sort of cross-section of society until they do that you're right there's no point in having that because that's all all will happen that person will get trolled unfortunately because people are sick. And I feel like that's more of like a hindrance to the whole conversation in a way because there's this odd like leveling of these people just being like caricatures with this societal norm I think like where they're just like

well they're so like carball cut out of each other and if everyone it does kind of level it to an extent where the trolling it's totally I don't know it's like it's kind of just based on personality to an extent because it's just like well there's nothing else what you're going to go for they look totally just like each other's or just like everyone else they looks are perfect so like you can only hate them for their horrible insides rather than the horrible outside yeah um are you going to watch it this year I don't know I don't know like I am I've said it before but I am ashamed to say that it does it does give me like nice escapism but I just hated it last year I just didn't find it interesting I thought it was so like formulaic and samey and so I don't I don't think so I'm just

going to stick to my shitty housewife shows I think you go girl you're you're not going to are you no no I don't hate it I hated it last year I think I've said this before but the the the glass just went like just so quickly for me and after what happened to Caroline Flack it's like nope that I just can't yeah it's like Sophie and Mike yeah and Yeah, and when it enters, I don't know, it just felt like it just entered like a real, I don't know, you just, you can't enjoy, it's like escapism, but it stops, it's, it just stops being fun. It just, when it, when it gets, I don't know, it just stopped being fun for me, yeah, it just became too real. And it, and it, for a couple of years there, it really was like, okay, cool, this is like some ridiculously random show, love that for us. But then, you know, when it comes into the real world and you see the real life damage is doing, it's just like, no, I can't.

enjoy this i don't know i just i just find humans weird i even find i i tell you what you shouldn't take a break from instagram that's what i've learned doing while being away here because i just keep being like what's the fucking point of me what's the fucking point of my stupid no job like when you're in the through of it it's all right every day you're just doing it but then when you're sitting here just reading your books and and then you're just like oh my god everything about me is so stupid and silly and there's just no point to any of it it's really kind of oh that is tough i think that's what you call an existential crisis yeah yeah it's okay so i'm kind of flip-flopping between like incredibly elated and like so happy and i tell you i keep waiting for

you know like you said earlier you know we get shitty comments and i keep waiting for shitty comments like every time i check my phone i'm like i'm waiting for someone to be like oh your wedding was this or your dress was trash or you know you're a whatever and i haven't had one yet i've definitely jinked yay touch word but it's everyone's being so so nice to me and that's but that's also terrifying. I'm like are you being nice? What do you what's up? No that's great

that's great though take it like people genuinely yeah they're happy for you really happy for you yeah and if there are twats who aren't happy for you well you know you know what we say about them yeah they're twats I was like what do we say

I was gonna say I actually I actually don't know what we say we say a lot but like yeah they're twats we'll stick yeah they're sad so we've done you bad Have we done all your ads? Any more bards? No, that's it. That's it. I'll draw a line under it for now. But like next week I'm going to be back and I'm going to be in a far better...

Yeah, next week your books out. Next week your books out. I'll say it. Next thing you break out. Okay. So my actually, my good is that my good is in time because as you're listening to this, my book is out this week on Thursday and which is just mad, crazy. And obviously I'm a nervous wreck because it's me so yeah fun um but i am yeah i can't believe it it's mad like totally mad wild so yeah that's my good when you got to number two in the in the charts on amazon i know i know i know by devs which was yeah very special okay yeah i'm going to take your horn quickly because because i want to your books out on thursday and you should be really proud of yourself and if you've not

pre-ordered it listeners i'm not talking to alex anymore she doesn't need to pre-order it because she wrote it then you should um i've i've seen it i've read it with my eyeballs and it's really good and i tell you something i'm just going to endorse it from somebody else because obviously you know like i love you um but our friend my friend our friend fliss read the book and she's a personal trainer and i went for a walk with her a few weeks ago and she said how much that book had changed her perspective on so many things and gave her so many things to consider that she'd never thought of before about the way that diet culture works and the way that that we exist within society and I think that's really important

that you know that Al because I think you and I like we do this stuff day and day out you particularly so we kind of think that everybody knows it but we don't and it's really important that we as women push back on the why's the why we feel insecure

the why we care that within the why that we care what men think the why why why all the time because that's the sooner we get the closer we get to understanding the way that we operate, the sooner we can get to fixing our own pain and helping ourselves. And that's what your book's doing. It's really pushing back on the Y and it's very educational. It's very exciting. And I think you're unlocking happiness

for a lot of women and I'm really proud of you and I can't fucking wait until Thursday and everyone has to go and buy the book. It's called You're Not a Before Picture and I remember the title. So, woo! Yes. Gold Star. Thank you. That's true. And it's nice to hear that Fliss said that as well, because it's true. We're so deep in this stuff that nothing is, you know, we don't really get those lightbulb moments, but it's so nice to hear that it's, yeah, there are some, there are some for others. Look at you. Educational. Yeah, your second book, Life Behind Bars, will be out. You are not a mugshot.

You are not a mugshot. I'm a one. That is really good. You're not a mugshot. Opening line will be like, it all. started when I put my paper cup in the plastic bin. Before I knew it, I was in handcuffs. Well, that was a shit show of things, wasn't it? Wasn't it? Wasn't it? A absolutely random mix of stuff. I can't even remember what we've been talking about. Jesus. It's been a week there. Yeah, I can't believe. Everything's changed. But next week, everything will be back to normal as as this comes out, your book comes out so it'll be a stressful week,

but I will be landing back in the UK. Sad day. But this interview I'm so excited about Oh my God, we've got such a good interview. Such a good interview, thank God make up for this fucking shit show

of an introduction. And this is with my gorgeous friend, Harry Trevaldwin. I was so excited that he said yes because it's always awkward if you ask a friend to do something and they're like no um but he said yes and he's here and harry is literally like just on the brink of well not even on the brink he's he's tipped over to the other side he's he's doing so

well and it's so great to see he's been in a film called the bubble he's in 10% which is the um english remake of call my agent the french show which alex will have seen without the subtitles because did you know she spoke french and if you don't follow him on there if you don't follow him on Instagram you're sure because he's absolutely go on tell him in French

tell him to follow him on Instagram I don't know what you said the same even I know you said the same doing like three times well it's such a lovely interview it's actually really nice chat yeah we just we talked about how great he is

and how successful he's doing but also we talked about things that I never would have known from our time at school and his kind of like hate the word journey could we just come up with a new word journey unless I can put it on a fridge mic

and I don't hear it slight digression but I'm reclaiming the word journey because I always say journey for lack of a better word so I was like I either find a better word or I reclaim the word journey I can't find a better word

so I think we should reclaim it Okay fine journey He's been on a great journey into comedy, into acting, into just being a successful fucking babe over the last few years. But that has included, like, coming out and kind of, I guess, like, I don't know, taking, taking, I don't even know what the, why does everything sounds so cheesy when I say it? It's so annoying. Everything sounds cheesy. You'll hear the interview and you'll see what I mean, but it's really cool having seen Harry, like, progress as he has and being so funny and

brilliant and so himself on Instagram it's just it's really really cool to see and it was amazing to talk to him in this interview about like kind of the steps that he's taken to build this confidence in himself and in his comedy and to taking all these steps and to really like working out who he is and yeah I just really cool chat and I'm really excited for everyone to hear it and he's so fucking funny so finally Al we're doing comedy on this podcast instead of just like yeah do the glue which is what we seem to just lean towards my gosh How many pads did you bring this week? I needed him to counterbalance.

Alex is like, bad, bad, bad, bad. I'm so sorry. I promise I'll be much better than I. Alex is going to prison, but the good news is we got a comedian on for the week. Yes, he's about to lift your spirits, promise. He's fantastic. We won't tell you any more about the interview because you're going to hear it. Because we've already told you everything.

The full synopsis. And give people zero reason to keep listening. But I'm just hoping that they're too lazy to click pause So keep listening You'll love it He's great, enjoy Hi everyone Can we please give the warmest welcome to Harry Tribaldwin

Our guest today My friend at Superstar Who's come to talk to us about literally Nothing and everything Welcome That's yeah that covers a broad array of subjects And you can just take a pick of them Whichever one you so choose.

It's funny because I am like super prepared and planned and is slightly the opposite. And I get very anxious if I'm not prepared and planned. So I was like, let's do questions. She's like, no, he's so funny. It's so cool. It's just going to be a great interview. So I was like, okay. So now I just have to be like funny and cool in a spontaneous way.

Yeah. Amazing. It's like a date that's recorded through seven. With three women. With three women, which is kind of my ideal day as like, a serial monogamous gamer. I'm like, ideal. Three at once.

Three at once. Gorgeous. Um, well. Are you wishing that we planned something? We'd know where to start. Um, okay, I'll start. Harry, we've been friends for like 15 years. Yeah, which is, like, it's quite like shocking to now like give it a timeframe

because it does make me feel much older. I thought you were going to say, like, because we're such unlikely friends. Because I would, I don't think it makes sense. And I still don't. And I'd like to address that in the podcast. Yeah, I mean, since we're just like very like clammy-handed 13-year-olds, I mean, me personally. I was like, right. You're like, that was the first impression.

No, I just remember, yeah, kind of being clammy-handed for like most of my 13th year. Just like very, very nervous. That's not right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I liked you, though. Thank you.

Yeah, we made friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we kind of actually, we didn't see each other for ages, but literally my favorite thing in this life is following Harry on Instagram. And like you, so during lockdown, you started doing your comedy on Instagram. Yeah. So I did lockdown with like my family and my mum has always loved Harry. Like, and Harry's a real like mum favourite.

Oh my God, I can see that. Such a people please. But also moms, I'm like, heaven. Heaven, heaven, heaven. My mom literally, and since we started the podcast, she's like, Harry is doing very well do you want to give Harry a call I'm like I will

I really doing lockdown they were like at any different point you could like hear somebody listening to one of Harry's videos like somewhere in the house I'm like oh there's that voice

he's basically in lockdown with us I remember actually I remember helping clear up after your 18th and no but and then and being like just being like such a like I hope the mum's like me because I'm helping clearing up

so I'm thrilled that that worked by like rolling up those sleeping bags I've really cemented myself yeah but I'm glad I did lockdown with you and it's so yeah it's I think that's always very night because I guess because of everyone's experience

was so like solitary in it it's very it's always so nice to hear that like yeah people were watching my videos like over lockdown why did you start them how did you start them it was it was kind of it was a mixture of things really I'd basically I'd

I'd wanted to do acting and writing, like, forever. And I'd gone to university and then I thought I'd go to drama school, but I didn't get in. And so I was kind of, like, trying to figure out how to, like, get into the industry. And then I kind of blacked my way into an audition for a film, which I got a part in. It was very, like, tiny, tiny part. But I remember thinking, kind of like, okay, great. Like, it's begun. And then it was like, no.

No, no, no, no, just kidding. And so, and then I had an agent, but that didn't really work out. And so I was just kind of, I was temping for a really long time, which was great. And it was amazing because it allowed me to live in London and also provided so much material. And then, it was, so I did, oh my God, the number of, like, silly, silly jobs I've done in London. But I did, the two longest that I did, definitely. one was at a gay dating app which I adored

because they the lunchers they brought in honestly I stayed there for so long partly because the people that worked that were lovely but also they had like just insane lunch it was this thing called sounds like an ad now that I'm doing it was this amazing thing called city pantry

but they basically like kind of like brought in but it's like office food stuff and they had every day yeah every day and you got to pick whatever you wanted for breakfast from this like buffet so you could have like an omelet or I'm trying to think of breakfast items baked beans

I was just going to say did they have beans they had baked beans oh they're great they're great I would have stayed there forever the only reason that I left is because I think they kind of stopped as a company

which kind of makes sense because of the amount of money they were spending on lunches on you on keeping their zero hour temp with a high demand for the finer things in life and it was there for ages

and I kind of, yeah, I basically knew that I wanted to sort of make my own work and because I'd like started to see like more and more writer-formers, I was like, well, you know, I can, I hope that I can do that, so I'm going to try doing that. And so I uploaded like my first video and was like so embarrassed because it was just my friends that followed me and so I was just like, how embarrassing.

How's one of the friends? I was like, this is fucking gas. Like, what is this? Oh, really? Did you not? I was so, I was so, honestly the reason I didn't do it for so so long and I was just like my own worst enemy with it

which I'm sure both of you guys have had when you first started kind of doing anything online and you were so just worried about what people would think of you it's hard to put yourself out there you feel vulnerable we say this all the time if we could have a social media platform where our friend didn't follow us we do it yeah oh my god I hadn't even thought about that and I like got the full body shivers

it would be amazing that's the embarrassing bit And it's the people that know you. And sometimes I'll see, like, when I got engaged was a really good indicator. When I got engaged, all these people started liking my picture. And I was like, fuck, have you guys been here the whole time? Like, all this embarrassing shit I've done over the last like five years. And they've all seen it. And worse, never engaged with it.

Yeah. So I think that's the hardest thing. I think it's harder putting out, like, content to like 200 people than it is putting it out to 200,000. Yes, I completely. A perfect example of this is when my mum would be like, if I was doing like a monologue or something for like, did you guys do like have like Lambda exams at school or something? It was basically like music exams but for drama. And I remember every single time I was like preparing like a grade like five or something, my mom without fail would be like, do it for the family. And then I was like, no.

And she's like, if you can do it in front of people that you don't know, you can do it in front of the family. And it was always, I just like couldn't express to her. I was like, no, that's so much worse. Yeah, but you know when people say, like, you've got to do speaking something, and then people say, don't worry, because there's people you know in the audience. And I'm like, you just, you've made me, like, you've made me feel 10 times sicker. Like, that's horrible. I remember, like, even in sports matches being, even though my mum was the most supportive moms,

she would come to every single match. And, like, bear in mind, and M can attest to this, I'm not a natural athlete, and she would be there without fail. And I hated it. I just didn't want her to be there because I just didn't want, like, a light Sean, focus on me in any sense like that. You wanted to blend into the background. Totally.

If I walked off the pitch, my mum would know. But everyone else would just feel like, well, honestly, nothing's changed in this game. Yeah, I argue with actually, we've lost a negative presence on the field. But yeah, it's such a, it's such a funny one. But yeah, and so with that, it was,

I was just so embarrassed about uploading a video because I thought people were thinking like, oh, so now you're trying to be like, but like, obviously nobody felt that. And, or they did, they didn't say it, which was great. And my, my, like, my friends were so lovely and supportive. But they're so, the thing that I love, like, Harry basically does, like, satirical videos about, like, well, like. Yeah, there's not even really, like, a type of one I do.

But they always tend, it always tends to be, like, basically versions of myself that I could turn into very quickly if left unchecked. But that's what I love. That's what I think is the bravest bit that you're putting. out there is it's like it's not a million miles from oh no no no like the smug mother character honestly if I was if I was given like

a unlimited Gail's gift card I'd be that woman in days like honestly days I'd just be like and I'd love it I'd have a wonderful time that's kind I think that was when like it first started and I was like I don't get it but I fucking love it but also because we hadn't seen each other in a while did you maybe just think like

well Harry has changed Well, truthfully, to be honest. Wow. He's like what? He's so really well. I didn't know he had so many kids. Truthfully, like, yeah, like you're very different. I mean, you're not.

You're exactly the same person as you were at school. But honestly, like, your life has changed loads. And in the, you're doing drama on the internet and everyone's got jobs. When we were at school, we didn't even have the internet to, like, do the jobs. Thank God. Oh, honestly, thank God. Bibo, thank God that went Like someone did it is a massive solid

I had the most tragic thing with Bibo Because everyone got it Everyone had it And I was like putting it off I think because I didn't know how to get it And I was just like playing off like I've got other things to do Because I've got to learn my like

French nouns And then I finally got it And I remember spending so long curating it and like picking a skin picking my interests And then as soon as I got it Everyone went to Facebook And I was like, oh, and I remember the only message.

I remember this so clearly. The only message I got on Bebo was from someone I went to school with called John. And he said, I think he said something like, hey, Harry, how's Marlborough? And I was like, I didn't go there. That was the only message I got. And so I was just like, yeah, good. So you're going to say, the only message you got was like, you know, the Bebo admin person. They were like, Bebo is closing down.

They were even like, cut your losses, Harry. Get out. I was the one person holding up. about. Oh my God. I should somewhere. Choosing a skin. There's someone choosing a skin somewhere, guys.

Someone still cares. But no, it did feel really different. Also, like, we don't have to talk about some of the podcast, but you weren't, like, you weren't out when you were at school. No. So this is, yeah, I think it's funny that you say, because I think it's, yeah, it's interesting. Because I think in so many ways, I haven't really changed at all. But I think I'm so much more confident.

in the way that I am because I think I always was the way that I was but I was always kind of like quite apologetic about it I definitely would try and be like a straighter version of myself and basically like I guess like minimise myself unless I was with my like female friends I think like so for example I spent my entire time at school at like that with like M's house of like girls

like as in I that was like my safe space at school and yeah it's funny that I I wasn't out and I and I wasn't even because I mean definitely at school as well it was still gay was definitely synonymous with bad and because I was bullied for that I just immediately equated it with something very negative and so it wasn't even that I was like closeted and I knew I was gay it got so like deep in I just like didn't even address it I just like completely ignored it and so it was only when I was at uni and I kind of like was both celebrated for like who I was and also just like grew up a bit more I guess and and got confident but even then it's like still an ongoing thing where I still find

myself in certain situations like definitely at which I'm sure everyone does kind of like altering the way that you interact but there there was something really nice about because my videos I guess felt very very me and my type of humor and the fact that that was kind of being celebrated rather than like made fun of was like a real like shift in confidence I think I think that's what's been the nicest thing like from that outside because obviously like I mean I haven't seen you in a while and there wasn't some like oh I'm coming out now post on your Instagram but it was just it was so lovely like seeing like the videos that you're doing and it was like well that's just Harry like that's and I guess that's probably how you've always been like with me because like yeah yeah yeah exactly you were like you were like you hung out with us at school. So it was lovely seeing, like, oh, that's just Harry, whatever. But then you started being, like, seeing that you've been recognised. I think the gay times ran something on you. And I was like, fucking yes.

Yeah. Like, it just felt so cool. I was like, this is right. Like, this just feels like it was so good to see you doing so well and just being so, I hate the phrase, but like unapologetically, just like, hi. That's so lovely. That's so lovely to say. And also I think definitely, like, career-wise, I was, especially when I was like,

because I knew I wanted to do, like, acting and writing. And I definitely thought that I was. that I wouldn't be able to be successful if I was like completely myself because there aren't that many gay parts and if you are out then you realistically it's very unlikely that you'll be cast as a straight part and all these things

and so I was really worried about it and it was really sad that this thing that I loved I felt I couldn't go into fully as myself and the fact that I have gone into it as myself and that's actually being good for my career has been something like totally unexpected. I kind of thought it would just be like, yeah, I thought it would be hindering.

And maybe in some ways it is just in ways that I'm not, because, you know, we're not as fully progressed as we would like to be. But like in lots of ways it's been really great, which has been, yeah, just like very nice. Yeah, because it's so, like so many actors have to stay closeted, don't they? And, you know, there's so many rumors about like loads of like, Hollywood actors that are, you know, gay, but they have, like, wives or, you know, whatever. And it's like, they, I guess, grew up in that time where you had to do that.

And maybe, maybe, like, some people feel like they still have to. Yeah, I think it's such a funny one because I think in, yeah, because in so many ways, it's like, it's changed so much and, you know, representation in lots of different ways. It has a lot of work to do, but it's definitely getting better. But I think there is still a, there definitely. still is a thing of I don't know like as in if you're

out not being limiting your castings I think I think it's different for like actors versus like singers like and there's a really cool like a loving thing like Lil Nas X like and that's just it's so deliberately like

I love that because it almost feels like confrontational because he knows that there are people that it's pissing off and he doesn't give shit he's like fucking let's good and like that feels so good and with music it definitely is feeling and I think it's always been more with music maybe like because of like Bowie and like there's always been like the adrogyny and like and and it's more I hope like you say like with social media it's becoming more and more like whatever but there's still like the archaic thing with casting where it's like

you have to play a character so you have to and it's like still women have to find you a track and it's so like no like you're totally you're totally it's like and it's like and it's such a it's it is such a thing still, like it's so annoying, but you're totally right. And that's why I think, like, stuff like Jonathan Bailey being cast as, like, the romantic lead in Bridgeton, for me, I was like, oh, that's so wicked. And Andrew Scott in Fleaback. Yeah, totally. Like stuff like that.

But the fact that we can, like, name those two shows. But I mean, I'm sure that, you know, they're definitely. Like Luke Evans, he's. Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But again, but much later, much later in his career. Much later in his career. Much later in his career.

And so he had kind of. solidified himself as a... Heart thrallbactor. Yeah, yeah. As I have done, I'm going to talk. It's like, we've both done that work, and so we can do this. But yeah, it's funny. But if you think about, like, the typical storyline for all, like, nearly all films,

it's always, like, heterosexual couple, can I even say that word. And you shouldn't. Dissuptu. Because even if it's like an action film, there's always the love storyline. isn't there? And that's always like a man and a woman. And so the, I guess like the producers or I don't know the lingo

but like they want to cast people who the audience like the women in the audience are going to fall for in the man and they think that if they the man is gay that they're not going to be able to connect with that. It's the like men it's like women want to fuck you and men want to be you. Like that's what they're keeping

up. Yeah. But it's also I think it's so to do with that kind of like that lens of how you see things because we're so susceptible to basic, like, so like, so we've, like, you've been told, we've been told that, that, like, that chiseled, like, and like, if you think about, like, even Disney, it's like, kind of that chiseled, white, very, like, conventionally attractive person is the ideal. And that's because we're constantly showing that as the ideal, as the love interest.

But if you show these, like, you know, different types of bodies and different types of people through that romantic lens, then it completely. changes things and you're like oh no that is totally what i see and and obviously that that's still got so much work to do and there's also you know you can't ignore people's i guess you know tastes and preferences and stuff like that but i think you can definitely help them yeah for sure yeah because so much of it is conditioning yeah yeah yeah the irony being that like the biggest celebrity love of my life was will young yeah that that hit people hard i thought we were going to end up together. I really did.

I wish I had that I think because I was like closeted at the time I wish I had had that like fervent obsession of like a boy band or something like that because I just missed out on that and like it's not too late. Yeah but I'm like racking my brain

Harry Stiles. Yeah. But that again almost that sounds like the the choice of like a panicked person pretending to be gay. Like I'm like no I fancy Harry Stiles because he's so fancier boys. He's too obvious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to go for like a more niche. I'll go more niche. I'll think about it.

Yeah. And then I'll become fervently obsessed. Yeah. I guess I, what I was obsessed with was twilight. And, but what I thought... He was so fit in that. And just like, just in the most, the most obvious way, it's, I think it's undeniable. I think he was really fit in that. And that was Emmett. Anyone else? Um, no, I think he was too, I think he was too, um, hunky. Like to... You've never seat. Sorry. Wait. Wait. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. What? Have you read it? No, no. You've never seen Twilight?

I don't understand. I don't even know how you, like, just like, manage not to see it. I've seen the scenes on TikTok, you know, when not like, which she's like, you know what, I actually... Don't focus on those. They're not... Yeah, yeah. As an entirety, as a piece of great art, they're phenomenal.

Oh, okay. Looking back on them now, they were shot so blue. Like, it was all so moody. It was like an Instagram film on it. I had a very warped view of what Seattle was like. It was, wasn't in terms of. I watched Grey's Anatomy a few years later. I was like, interesting because... So you've based it off Twilight, as you still haven't been, people are like...

It's very cloudy. And then you're like, but they do do a lot of operations there. Like, the medical community is booming. Yeah, that's my doctor. What was the dad called? Carlyle. That's where Carlyle probably worked. Seattle Grace. Oh my God, crossover. Shonda rhymes. Like, get... Oh, no, it was Stephanie Miners. Yeah. And we know who we can cast as the new Edward Cullen. As the new Edward Cullen. As the new Edward Cullen. I take my see you with Jasper. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah, you're just like, I don't understand what's happening. But what I will say is so with Edward, now that I look back, I obviously fancied him so much. But at the time, just wanted to replicate his hair. So I obviously, like, just confused. So there's something that's here. Yeah, I was like, there's something to do. What am I feeling? I want his hair. And I remember spending ages styling it. And, like, I went on to, like, this, like, forum on, like, how to style your hair like it. I remember spending so long. And I came downstairs and my auntie. And my auntie. He went, why do you look like Ace Ventura?

Right. I was like, cool. And I remember thinking like, I don't. Like, why? I haven't even done it. It just came out like that in the shower. Yeah, I just felt like so upset. I feel like that's the gay experience though of like, I want to, do I want to be with them?

Do I want them to be my mother and my father? Or do I want to be? And the answer was all of the above. I wanted to be raised by love and and be Edward Cullen. Freud. Yes. Welcome to a friend. acknowledge within yourself that you are gay.

Yeah, that was me anyway. Who was yours? Oh, Rachel Weiss. Oh, no, but I think, yeah, I think Rachel Weiss is so unspeakably beautiful. That's so interesting, though, that that's, like, how you feel. Yeah, it's so interesting, I think, because you're not able to, like, kind of fully sit in your feelings, and they're not, and you don't see your own personal feelings, like, you know, a man fancying a man. You think, like, well, it can't be that, so what is it? and that it just comes in funny ways.

Were you bullied at school? I'm bullied. Or, like, were you given a hard time for, for, like, being gay? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you still were like, well, and I guess you're like, well, I'm not. So, I don't know. I definitely was, I definitely was bullied. But I remember definitely being, because my brother was at school with me.

And I remember more being so embarrassed for him, which is so sad, saying now. Like, I remember being, like, oh, Jack will be so embarrassed. But, yeah, I don't know. I guess I've always had, like, kind of, like, I've kind of, like, I've kind of like I guess I kind of known who I am and known that I'd be fine and I had like quite a like

you know I knew what I was about and I knew what I thought was good and bad I had like a kind of my own moral code and stuff like that so I knew that me and myself I would be fine it was more like kind of embarrassment for the people around me like secondhand embarrassment um

but yeah and then my brother was like yeah give a shit yeah absolutely great yeah I'm pretty I mean I don't know I don't know the people I don't know the bit it really pisses me off that like we grew up and I suspect kids are still growing up at a time where like you will have been you were bullied for something and it's just like this and they were our friends or my friends and it's like these people that I probably still like and I'm just like they were taught like to be bullies or they were taught to be shit or they would talk to take the piss out of people and they'll just keep and kids will just keep doing it and it annoys it's really nice it's really difficult to break the habit of it's this weird child bonding thing to like to find something different and like and bullying because it's such a

pack mentality yeah and because it's such I guess it's such an easy thing to do because like for me like I would you know I was I was quite camp and like I was definitely different to the other boys that I was at school with not all of them but like most of them I was like noticeably so and so that was a difference and so it's just I guess it's so easy to target yeah um and also it's one of those really like annoying things we're like well i can't do anything about it like and you can definitely minimize and i definitely like as in i think if i've listened to like if i've seen like recordings of something like when i'm younger and the way that are like deep in my voice or something like or just like i can feel like almost like i can feel

the tension in my body like watching those videos of like constantly being ready to be like called out for something um and so it feels amazing now to kind of be like so much more confident in who I am and yeah it's a really nice thing it's so cruel isn't it oh my god kids are the coolest but what I also think is cruel and I'm wondering if you had like a coming out did you have to come out that moment because I think that's a cruel thing that you have to do as well like why should you have to like come out and have this I remember my friend like coming out to me and he was

so nervous and it was and I just remember thinking like, this is so horrible that you have to do this. Like, it's a horrible moment. Like, it's just shouldn't have to happen. Yeah, it's a funny thing. Like, I've got kind of, like, mixed feelings about it. Because I'd love if we got to, like, a place in society where it just didn't matter. Like, as in you kind of, like, liked you like, and there weren't these, like, binary codes.

And with gender, with everything like that, it would be such a utopia. It would be amazing. But we're not there. And so for me, I'm, even though it's such an awkward thing, to bring, because it, like, especially that with your parents, it doesn't organically come up in conversation. Yeah. So you do have to, like, bring it up.

And it's so awkward. And look back now, I'm just like, oh, my God, I can't believe I did that. But I'm also, for me, it was quite an important step to do. Right. Because it felt like, if I hadn't done it, and if I had just kind of, I would have, I would have been secretive about it, and that wouldn't have been right. Right.

And I think it would have just come out in drips and drabs. And so I'm so much, I'm glad that I, I did. come out and it was like a stressful not fun thing to do but I was very lucky in the response to it but also the act of doing it for me was quite important to kind of stake my claim in it and to kind of yeah I guess tell other people the thing that I was bullied for with like actually saying it and claiming it as as me even in a conversational way was quite yeah it was quite important and I think it's different for everyone. But, yeah, it would be amazing if we got to the place where just people didn't care.

Did your parents know? Like, did they have an idea? Yeah. I think, so my mum, yeah. I think I'm sure, I'm sure they did. But also, like, for them, their generation, they were, they were, my mum, especially, I Madam, was very scared of it because from her generation, like, you know, it was so much worse.

And your parents want an easy life for your child, so they're scared for you for that, like, lifestyle thinking it might be really difficult. and it hasn't been it's been amazing and like now like honestly absolutely thrilled that I'm gay I'm like thank you God how fun um fucking women

yeah it's like gross no thank you yeah and that's the thing because and it's great like you live in London and that's great not to make it all miserable but then like my friend is she's just got married and her wife is from Lebanon and obviously it's illegal

to be gay there And then it comes with it, like, so many. And it's just, like, unbelievable. Like, because gay rights has come, like, and I'm going to totally butcher this. Because I was listening to an amazing podcast, but it was like a year ago, and I can't remember because I'm shit remembering things. But it was talking about how, like, how rapidly gay rights has come on compared to, like, other minority rights. And I can't remember why.

So I don't know why I even bothered saying it. No, no, no. But it has come on so much. But then it's so shocking because we live in London and, like, you know, like, we got, I don't know, we just, you know, just don't think about it anymore. It's just like, we are in a bubble, but I realise it's like watching, I think what's really nice, if you stick with a bubble analogy, just seeing in, in you how happy you are now, because it does just feel, you feel like exactly the same Harry that you've always been,

like literally to the letter, but you just seem so much happier and more confident in that. And it, and it actually, you're in the right bubble now. You were in the wrong one at school because you were just, you were just being like squished into somewhere that wasn't right for you. Whereas now you just like, that's good. Oh, what analogy. But that I guess, I don't know, that's, and it, and seeing that you've been able to curate, and I think this is where social media is stunning, is you've been able to curate your own, like,

ecosystem or whatever. And it's just like, this is who I am, this is what I'm about. I still, how do you describe what you're about? Because that's my other favorite thing. I'm like, I can't. I'm like, I'm a no bullshit blonde with an appetite for business. And they're like, yeah, that's my brand. God, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know how I would describe it. It is confident. And now, like, on the day that we're recording this, call my agent, the English version of the UK version of the American version of my mouth. And you're in it. It's so silly. Like, you're a legitimate star.

Oh, my God. That. I'm absolutely not. I've never been so excited for any kind of TV or film ever. Thank you so much. I'm honestly, I'm so excited for people to. see it. Like it was so, I remember I was the auditioning, I remember getting the script and I was watching

the French version and I was obsessed with it. Literally, because there is an entire world. Very, very, very rarely mentions it but she has lived in France and does speak French. As in like, I'm, fuck off. She's like, she, you won't hear her say it. She'll never admit it. Okay. Coms see it comes sad, d'A-g-or? Yeah, yeah, like, voila, like, please.

Also, what I said didn't make sense of the context. So it's like, I don't know what either of you said. I'm like, oh, cool. You wouldn't. You wouldn't? If you don't know, if you don't know, um, that's a French thing. Putan. Oh, there you go.

That was something. Yeah. I don't know what Alf is, but putan, off. Okay. Yeah. She means business. But yeah, the French series, it's incredible. Heaven.

So good. So, so great. So, so great. And it's in, no, it's an interesting. I know. And it's like, it's nice because it's got, like, it's own kind of like, it's not like a just a remake it's not like

it's like got its own British identity and the first two episodes I would say the most similar and then it kind of like veers off into its own territory but it was so much fun to film were you like was that your first major part so you know what so that year was just the silly thing so I got my first proper part in a film and then immediately afterwards

I got 10% so I went straight from that one to this one is this the one that you're in the tube adverts for is it bubble the bubble You're in everything. Wait, is that on the tube? You were on your thing, you were on the tube. You put on your Instagram yesterday, I'm on the tube. No, that was 10%.

That's 10%, so that's called my agent, but it's called 10%. Fine. Okay. Oh, is it called 10% in the UK? In the UK, it's called 10%. So you're on the tube. Yeah, it was so, in my home station.

I was like, it was very fun. That's wild. Very cool. And then you were in the bubble. Is that the film? Bubbles is the Netflix film, yeah, that was the Judd-Apital film. That was... That's big.

Yeah, that was so fun. That's big. Like, I'm not a big film person, but I know who that is. We should put, like, a carpet down for this. Yeah, we should. I couldn't have been there wasn't, and it made me feel very unstable. I was like, I'm used to walking on red. Did you know I was coming?

Yeah, I was like, oh, you guys must not have known. I'm so sorry. I'll go back out and come back in again, yeah. I'm saying, the problem is with Harry, because of humor is so satirical on his Instagram, I'm never quite sure when he shares his successes if they're legit, or if he's just playing his small character again. I should, I should. I actually definitely hype myself up more

and just be like, so crazy to be nominated for an Academy Award for short form selfie comedy. So unexpected, but deserving, I think. Just see who believes that. I'm never quite sure. There was a thing with like the gold face of the Bastas and he was like, I'm at the Bastas

and I was like, is he? Oh, yeah. I love that. I've got no confidence. Reader, I was. I was. And it was gorgeous. Amazing.

The Bassi Craft awards. So who do you play? Which part do you play? I play a character called Ollie, who is kind of the Urvei counterpart. So, like, my casting bracket of gay assistant, which I adore. Yeah. That's interesting to what we were saying earlier that. You were cast as a gay character.

Yeah, but it was kind of, it was a really, it was kind of like, I say, I say, like, gay assistant, but it was actually, like, it was a really good character. Like, it was really nuanced. It's not just, like, kind of the gay one at the office that's like, I can't believe he said that. And then, like, prances off. Got a nice skull. And there was depth to his character as well. And, like, even in this series, I get, like, a little, like, I mean, in the most British way possible, but a sort of, like, love storyline, which was very fun.

Okay. And, yeah, I, like, I loved the character so much. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. And, yeah, it really, it felt like a treat. I was like, oh, thanks, great. It's going to be so weird to watch it now, like, having, like, this.

I know. And I'll be like, oh, he's in the same room as him. And it's weird. Sometimes now with, like, Instagram and TV, I'll make, I'll make, like, Instagram and TV very different vibes. And I feel like I've known you since you were like, and literally you were the same person, but like a small person. And that's a different breed of excitement.

When you see someone that you've known for a long time on the tell, you're like, oh, my fucking God. Because TV, it's so hard to get, get hot. I imagine, it's like ridiculously impossible. Yeah, even if I've got, like, even if it's like, you know, when you plug your computer into your TV and. then your screensaver goes up and then I'm like oh my god I was on the TV you know what I mean even then I get excited no but it is totally I remember I remember weirdly I think the biggest like I got

kind of a massive response to when I did a TK Max advert people were just like oh my god I loved it but yeah it's it's very it's I find because whenever because I've got you know a couple of friends that are in shows and films and stuff like that and I find it so weird watching them and I feel I can't like I love the stuff they're in but I'm just like watching it being like I know you I know you and you're saying words that you don't normally say it's so weird and especially watching something that I've been in I find it so yeah can you I can but not in a fun way like as then I'm just kind of like so firstly obviously you're just like just zeroing in in the most like narcissistic way I'm just like how did I perform and also like I kind of know what was happening that

day and so you just kind of bring lots of different weird memories into it so I can't really watch it as a whole okay but um I can yeah so kind of like oh I remember that after that take um bex said this funny thing um which was often the case you've got all the context behind it that was so weird yeah yeah which is really really weird um do you ever totally random question but you'll ask you love it do you ever get the giggles and you just class up oh my god yeah actually I did quite well I feel for the first to so for the the film and this one I did quite well and I think that's because I was like

constantly worried about getting fired so I was just like I can't be anything but very professional but I remember one day there was this so basically they'd had someone we'd done we had to like reshoot something and so they had a body double for someone

that was in it and he was like kind of doing stunts or something like that and he got he had to kind of say the lines and we were just responding and you just kind of saw him in the background but he didn't really want to say the lines because understandably that's not his job so we had one of the like assistant directors read the lines his lines like from off and his version of talking was going just raising his shoulders up and down and it just was the most surreal thing because he was staring at us like blank face while someone else was saying his lines going like that and I was I was gone in a second I couldn't do it and so like I'm sure I'm sure they just couldn't use any of the footage because I'm probably just like trying to keep a straight face but also crying Do you get nervous?

Yeah, I don't want to like insert myself in Harry's story too dramatically, but we did do some pretty impressive GCSE drama pieces together. Did you? Yeah, we did. Did you? Yes, we did. And they were movement-based, and sometimes they went into slow motion, and that was powerful.

Listen, Alex, that was powerful. I could only imagine. Oh, boy. Luckily, you might not have to, because there probably is footage somewhere. Oh, boy. I think it was like, it was so, I don't even know, I don't know anything about acting, so I don't know what the terminology is, but it was like, not improvised, because we definitely practiced it. Yeah, yeah. But it was like, what's it cool, where you wear black and you pretend

to be like furniture and stuff. Oh yeah. I mean, it was, I mean, that's like the best description of what it was. We wore black and pretend to be furniture and had like black boxes and then I feel. We had a red balloon. We had a red balloon. It was like based up a poetry and it was always talking about like, I think the vibe was the darker you go, the better. The darker the subject, the better your marks. Oh my God, I understand the twilight fascination. I've just remembered. We did the, do you remember the blue foundation, eyes on fire?

We used that as a sound fact for our GCCC drama piece. Oh my God. We actually have some great music in that. Do you feel like possibly you had a huge part to play? I think there's no possibility about this at all. Without a dance. You were there, yeah. Were not for me playing.

his very convincing chair slash her foot on. The most convincing futon that you've ever seen. I think you need to like thank her in your future office speech. I'm so sorry and I'll be like, enter the chair. You know who you are. You've been such a support to me.

I'll do that. I'll write. I'll write. Take that on. I just like when I was in year five I got cast in the school play as the wall. And I remember going home to my mum and telling her.

That's sad. I'm like, do you have anything charcoal grey and she was like yes why I was like I've been cast in the school day and she was like great and I remember distinctly going through a wardroom she's like what are you I was like well I'm the wall she was like right well this dress will do fine yeah honestly whatever we'll do fine you can do wall with graffiti it's fine I was once a river and then the teacher specified Harry Estill River and I was like okay so basically like writhing on the floor trying to give it something and they were like

No, no. Still. Yeah, it's like absolutely stuff still. I mean, a blue paper would have done the job, right? I know. I was like, but you know what? What a waste of talent? Alex, I got the part.

And I wasn't, I wasn't going to let it go. You get that part, you get that. No, no, no, no. My brother was the author, with a camel once. That, yeah, I mean, the, I mean, the worst end to be, really, but... You've got to be a camel. Is he still friends with a person that's front? It's what an amazing meet-you for a friendship.

You were married now. you actually saw and they worked together as a team yeah exactly you should see them coming down the aisle oh god that's so funny I've forgotten about like our amazing acting prowess as teenagers

that's very cool yeah pretty powerful pretty powerful stuff yeah I also remember like one of the things you've got to have in a GCSE drama piece is everyone speaking all at once

and it getting louder and louder and louder and then one person going but you weren't there And then I remember being that That Burn Yeah We can't argue that

We weren't where Oh, we did so many rehearsals And it was so physical Yeah, yeah Like someone And this was like a fucking normative thing as well You'd have like The boys would have to pick the girls

And I'm like please don't make Harry pick me up Oh my God Yeah but that was all it was all very that Yeah it was always like a boy had to pick a girl up And I'm just like oh fuck sake You would have done an amazing job at picking me up I know, I know, and I would have loved to have been hoiked up. But we couldn't have told that.

You know, we weren't brave enough at the time. We were too entrenched in the system. Right, you'll be the man, you'll carry me, both of us, a hatey every second. They're just hating life, wishing we could be chairs at this point. Did you ask, did you see drama? I'm intrigued. With flying colours, I think we did quite well. Yeah, I think we did, again, we did like a very dark, which again, if you pick

a dark subject, they can't really be like, it's not very good. and you're like, you don't take it seriously. Yeah, right. Subjective. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, that art is subjective. Yeah, we literally laid our trauma out on the stage. Yeah.

Oh, I love that. Or like, oh, it's someone else's trauma that would read online and be like, well, take it. That sounds awful. That sounds awful. We'll do it. Oh, my God. But yeah, I haven't, I've done the exact same,

the exact same performance as I did in that GCSE drama as OLLI and 10% and look forward to that. But is it nerve-wracking? That was not much of I meant to ask him. Yeah. extracted by our stunning accolades as 15 years. Yeah, it definitely, definitely is. I remember on the bubble, it was different because in the bubble,

it was quite a lot of improv, which was actually, weirdly, I found easier. Oh, really? Because you couldn't really prepare for it. Okay. And you were with, like, comedy, like, I was very lucky to be with, like, comedy legends doing it.

So they were so good at it that they made it very easy. Okay. With 10% I think I was more nervous, because it was my first, like, proper part that was, like, scripted, and it was this whole character that I had to, like, be. And, yeah, I look back now, I wish I could go back. I, like, I'm very proud of it. I almost wish that I could go back and now enjoy it

because I was so nervous that they had made the wrong choice, and they were like, oh, and we all know we've made the wrong choice, but we're stuck with it now. But it was so... Do you ever get like, um, what's the word, um, oh my God, begins with a V. We use it all the time. Not vindicated, that's the wrong one. Vexed. And yes, I do.

Don't I ever get volatile? I'm trying to think of the word begins with V. Do I think of his vagina? And I can't think of any of the words of V. Do you ever get vagina? I do not. You never get vagina. No, do you ever get, not vindication. What's it called?

Like, like, like, not confirmation that you're doing well. Oh, validation. Validation. Validation. Yeah. for go and ask the direction, be like, hey, am I doing really well? No, but I know, but I constantly crave it. Yeah, yeah.

Honestly, I know that self-validation is so important and great. It's so nice to get it from someone else. It's gorgeous. It's so good. Did you get it on the set? I think I did, yeah, yeah. I mean, honestly, I've got an insatiable hunger for it, so it's never enough. I want to constantly be told, like, you're the most perfect person in the world.

No, not really. But it is, it is really nice. And that's why I think I'm, I think one of my strengths, I'm very good at giving compliments. So if I think a complimentary thing, I'll always say it. Yeah. Because it's so nice to hear. So nice. And whenever.

You two would just never stop being nice. Would you just be like great? I said, honestly, I could like, I could like, as an, the only thing I haven't said yet is that your scarf is so great. But it's like the first thing I thought. Thanks. And it is, but it's just, it's, I think it's such an easy thing to do. And especially if it's true and you think it's so much nicer to say than. just um yeah be like clock in the back of your head and you think you feel weird for

saying it don't you like i always think if i say that i'm gonna sound like weird or creepy but it never feels that way from the person accepting the compliment they're just like oh that's so nice yeah yeah yeah yeah unless you like go doggedly at them and i like that like that would you like about you i like your lips oh i like your lips yeah there are a couple of things you can't compliment it's fucking weird yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a line yeah yeah there's a line yeah Have I found it yet? No. But I also think if you wouldn't touch it, you shouldn't compliment it. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Like you touched the scarf and be like, that's a nice scarf, but you wouldn't be like, those are nice lips. Oh, I thought you meant if you wouldn't touch it as in like, if you wouldn't wear it. So like don't comment on the star. You mean literally, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like these lips, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Exactly. Yeah. Like, I wouldn't mind going on to Daisy, me like, oh, my God, I love your headband and just like tapping it. It wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be great for Daisy, but she should accept being patted like a dog. Yeah, exactly. but like

I like your teeth yeah yeah oh so specific one I like your inside I know I do not like

I don't want to talk about the right one I've got no yeah oh sorry no go for it no I had another actory

actory question that wanted to ask you I always wonder how the fuck do you learn all those lines like how do you do that you know what as I did

there was a I remember this is the most the time that I've struggled the most I did a, like, an indie film after I'd finished 10% called Sweet Sue. And it was such an amazing experience because it was like, it was shot really quickly. We improvised kind of the script and then it was written up, so in this quite intense rehearsal period.

And there was one day where we were just shooting, like, kind of having dinner. And it's kind of all done in one take. And so you had to memorize those. And if, and because it was like a lot, it was like a, you know, 10 minute scene or something like that which is a lot of pages and if you got it wrong you just had to start from the beginning you're joking and I remember just being so stressed by it but weirdly I find I found 10% weirdly also my character just constantly says like oh my god and then something else if if in doubt I just go like oh my god yes oh my god no oh my god of course um so that was a nice like fail safe

but I genuinely don't know oh there's this really good app actually which is called line learner and so what I'll do if I've got like preparation for scene is that you can like kind of speak your lines and the other lines and then they'll mute your lines and you speak into it I imagine you know in Notting Hill when like when Julia Roberts helps me sometimes and then Hughes house and then Hugh's like can I say I think that's her best best outfit in the film she looks so I'm constantly looking for that like oversized faded blue I have it do you I literally have it from Zara. Do you?

Yes, I got a size bigger and I wore it every single day on my holiday. And like, every time I wore it, I was like, yeah, that is a really nice and the hair up, and like strands down.

I can't do that. Like romantic and relaxed. But you know we got a jump in, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. So that's a shame that you don't have a Hugh Grant

type at home. That would be. My home, my row helps me, my housemate and she's my Hugh Grant, which is great. I don't understand how it goes in. Because like, I read a lot and then it's gone.

But then it goes. So I will, especially for like, I guess for theatre, it's different because you have to constantly know all of it because it's all happening at once. But for TV, I'll learn the lines for that day. And then, and then the next day I won't be able to remember them. It's like such short-term memory. So you rely with, oh, this is a horrible question as well. You rely very heavily on validation of, because you, you know, because that's love, love, yeah. Right.

Oh, same. What happens if someone's, like, and have you had any bad criticism or any criticism to us? Yeah. what happens if you do? So I say I kind of, I kind of, yeah, I do, I love validation, but I can't rely on it. I think it's the thing is that it's great because it's just nice to hear that you're doing a good job, especially when you're feeling nervous about it. But I think you do kind of, which I haven't done yet and will hopefully get better

and better, it's just really going in with blinders of just doing, okay, well, I did the you know I'm proud of what I did and I'm learning now what will make me proud after a day's work and so I feel like I'm constantly learning and it might be like oh I feel like I didn't so so often for me it was like I wish I'd just been confident in it rather than feeling like I was going to get it wrong and that's the regret that I have at the end of the day of just being like why didn't I just like go for it and then and then so so that's kind of what I'm mostly trying to do is kind of just fake confidence while I'm there I mean I Brianie Gordon said it's in an interview a few weeks ago the confidence is just a complete trick oh it's just really bullshit

so it's all acting how did I do that yesterday and I think I did we did a shoot yesterday for owl's um swimming wear thing and I went into it with such confidence I was like where the fuck has this come from I think I just like pulled it out for someone then I got the cab the way him. I was like, no, but it is, but it's also, it's really, I think it's, it's quite nice that we can do that for ourselves, that we can kind of, like, rally ourselves up. Yeah. And, yeah, because I think it's really important sometimes. And I think, yeah, like, and it's also, like, because I've, I've got a thing that I'm trying to work through is that if I'm having a conversation one-on-one with someone, I always think that they feel like they, they don't want to be there.

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just like, oh, God, they're trapped. Even if we've agreed to meet up, they're like, oh, they're regretting it. And what I'm trying to do now is in those conversations, just kind of like... Let that go. Yeah, let that go. And just, like, be confident in the fact that I'm, like, enough and can be fine holding a conversation.

It's a really deep question, but do you think that's why you play characters? Probably. Whoa. Whoa. But yeah, I think that's definitely... Yeah, that definitely makes it easy. And I think I think comedy is such...

that hasn't it such like a but I think that'd be so funny that people would hit like people who follow you or people who've seen your videos or even anybody that's like you know you're on a poster on the tube and like you're doing so well you're so successful I see that little glimmer you're a poster cheerer it's like yeah yeah but like when when it's so easy it's what we were talking about it a while ago about the halo effect where like you look at someone like you're doing so well and then for people to hear that like

you're all so nervous and you also think that people don't want to hear from you and all that shit it's so it's oh yeah And you know what, yeah, it is, it's just that, it is, it is that constant thing, like, is in, yeah, nothing really, like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't want to say nothing changes, because obviously I feel so lucky to be in this position. And it's great that I'm able to, you know, just be acting and writing at the moment. And when so often I've had to supplement it with other things, like, I don't take that for granted. And I know how amazingly lucky that is. But also, you're so quick, like, it's you're so quickly kind of get used to whatever situations you're in and the same the same inner things will always be there like no matter what and yeah it's it's a it's a funny one and it's definitely something that I'm like kind of working out can I just ask one more thing yeah please um when you go for like this is just a practical question I probably could Google there but like hey why why bother um when you get like an audition like like like

what happens do you just get like an email being like like like Like, hello, it's like, hello, I want to audition. No, no, no, you don't. So my agent does it all. So, who's got the best, I think the best name in show business, Isaac Storm. Phenomenal. Yeah, yeah. He's the eye of the storm.

I know. And I just kept on saying that to him as if it hadn't occurred to him. And he's like, this has been my name the entire time. April, who works here. Every time it's April, which it is right now. I'm always just like, he-he, is your month? She's like, fuck off. She's also born in March.

I don't think it's really unfair. Yeah, but I don't think you could be called. I didn't think you could be called April if you were born in April because that just seems like uninventive. I went to school with a guy called August, whose birthday before school with you, a baby school. And we used to call him whatever month of the year it was all year round. That's funny. That's actually very funny. Yeah, it's quite funny. Yeah, it is.

Probably feels quite cruel, but. Yeah, I remember calling him September. And you're like, absolutely burn on you, August. Just wait till you've got a couple of months to wait and then you'll be fine. Wait till January. No, because we were always at home for August. Oh, of course. He never got called his own name.

Oh, my God. I hope he's all right. Don't even say, oh, we need to track him belly. He's like, you're the belly. Turn the mirror on themselves. Yeah. Can we track in August? Sorry, August.

I think I have your face. I need to write in the letter. It's like, dear April, sorry, meant August. I haven't forgotten. But yeah, so I, so my agent will do it. And because I only got my agent during lockdown, it's mostly self-tapes. So, like, you'll get an audition.

Oh, my God. No, no, no, no. And you'll get an audition. So he'll obviously apply for things. They go through like a database kind of thing. I don't really know how that side works. I should do because they literally play an agent's assistant in the TV show. And then you get, yeah, signs and you audition and then they send off.

And then often if you get like a recall or something like that, it will be in person. And so like with 10% I then had a chemistry read, which is when someone who's already been cast, you read a scene with them to see if there's chemistry. But I had to do that over Zoom, and nobody's got chemistry over Zoom. Nobody has chemistry over Zoom, apart from me and Hifftu. We had chemistry over Zoom.

Did you have to just like switch it all? I've just got to make this work. I've got to get this part. I think to your advantage will have been the fact that you do so many of the comedy videos. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're used to a screen. Yeah, yeah, and kind of, yeah,

and also, especially with self-tapes, I guess, like kind of watching it back and stuff like that. Yeah. You know your angles. I know my angles and it's like right up here. I can't see your face and it's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't have fun.

But yeah. And also that was, because the script is so pacey. So doing chemistry with lag on Zoom was like, ha ha ha ha. Oh, that's painful. I know, I know. Is it awkward doing those, like, reeds?

Yeah. Oh, my God, yeah. Because I always think like, at least you've got the camera in front of you, you know it's like go time, show time. But when you're like just around a table or like you're on Zoom or like, it does it feel a bit like and there's no camera you just have to like pretend you're someone else yeah it

definitely definitely you'll have moments for you're like what a silly job especially if you have to like do something weird yeah in the like the audition so remember like yeah one i had where like you have to do like something with a prop and you have to like kind of make it like with what you've got so i had like a whisk or a wooden spoon or something and my like yeah on zoom and then you just kind of like have like those kind of surreal moments you're like what a silly silly job What am I doing? Well, there you know, but you're doing very well out of it, so it's all good. Yeah.

We don't have to keep this bit in, but do you have more things coming? I do. So really excitingly, so I've done a lot of writing as well, and I've had kind of quite a few projects in development with different production companies writing for TV and film and stuff like that, which is very fun. We have a real star. We really do.

Oh, no. Absolutely. I mean, you haven't seen them yet. They might be absolute dogs bollocks. No, that's good. That's good. They might be the dog's follets. Great.

You haven't seen them yet, but it might just be the best thing you've ever seen. That's that fake confidence. I like to. But so on the 5th of May, the first thing that I kind of wrote and performed is going out on Channel 4. This episode will be coming out just after that.

Oh, really? Oh, really? It's called Channel 4. It's on 4OD, so all 4 now, isn't it? It's called Billy, and they're kind of the blaps. So they're kind of these short. They kind of serve as pilots. It's how statelet splats get started.

It's how chewing gum started. And it's basically an elevated version of one of my videos. So it's kind of done in that style. No, no, no. It's a different character. And it follows more of a narrative. But it's kind of like a condensed version of that, a very narcissistic character who's like a 25-year-old post-teen.

Okay. Who has like very A-list energy, but like a Z-list personality. Okay. Is it based on anyone in particular? Honestly, me. if I was, again, like, as in, just like the brattiest version of me. Yeah, we just gave you, like, a hernay scarf. Yeah, yeah, give me an airman scarf and I'm gone.

And it was so much fun to do. It was like one of those moments that I was, I said, we filmed, it was filmed over two days. And I was being, like, asked creative decisions. And I wrote it with this amazing team, Robert Popper, who's behind Friday night dinner. And so I wrote it and they produced it. and Caroline Leddy who produced Derry Girls and like we would just zoom all over lockdown and kind of create this thing and they are two of the dreamiest people that I could possibly imagine meeting and so supportive and so yeah they were the team that's with big talk and so yeah on

Friday the fifth I think I said Friday I don't know if it's Friday it's okay this is half sense they can get it on okay great yeah you can get it on you can get it on four on demand all four now I type in four D every single time yeah All four, okay, it's on all four, watch it, and then message me being like, you're so great. That's what you need to do. And if you watch this episode,

use a fun emoji, so I know that it's from this. Yeah. And that emoji will be. Oh, I like a peace sign. No, because that could be used, because I'm quite a greedy person, so people would use that generally. Oh, it's really quite niche.

Oh, is there like a walrus? I think there is a walrus. Use the walrus. Use the walrus. There's can't be a war-ross emoji, is that? I bet there is. No, what? Is it a be there?

Well, search the emoji and you'll find it. Oh, my God, there is. There's a, I was thinking of a seal. Okay, well, there's a seal. And that could be your seal of approval and capping. Oh my god, it's a powerful metaphor. I also love to you. I was saying this yesterday, they've got a great coat, kind faces,

and they keep themselves very warm. Okay, so everyone needs to watch Billy and then... It's very easy to please in terms of animals. They keep themselves warm. I don't have to worry about it. No. No, I don't have to worry about seals at all. I love seals. I do believe in life there are a lot of animals you have to worry about. Like when there's a thunderstorm, for example, I worry about the bunnies. I worry about the dogs. I worry about the horses. What if they're underneath the trees? I worry about the birds. What if they're in a tree that gets struck by, like, I'm a warrior. I'm a warrior. They're a warrior. They're a warrior. I'm a warrior. They're a warrior. They're in the Antarctica. They're fine. They're fine. They're fine. Worst case scenario, they'll cut a bit of their blubber when they're like shimmying up onto a rock, but they'll probably won't feel it. Other worst case scenario, they'll be eaten by a polar bear. But they're the only ones there are in the Antarctica. This isn't how I find. This isn't how I feel. This is how I saw the conversation wrapping up, but I actually, I actually did.

Oh, you did? I didn't know that I was heading in this direction. We were always heading this way. Inevitable. Can I also give a recommendation just because I just finished the book? And I don't know when it's out. It's not, it's not related, but Rebecca Humphreys, who's in 10%. We love Rebecca Humphreys.

She's got a new book. She was going to see what we want to come on the podcast. I just, I just finished it this morning on the tube and I missed a stop because of it because I was on the last bit. That's why you were late. Thanks, Rebecca. Thanks, Rebecca. And it is so bloody good.

What is it cool, please? It's called Why Did You Stay? Oh my God, I'm so professional. That was so good. Can you just really quickly do this? Thank you so much. And now do it next. It's more juxta.

Yeah, before he goes, can we just do some fun improvisation. Yeah, fun, in, fun. Throwing, like the, my word. Oh my God. Can we give, can you do accents? Oh my God, play. You know what?

Not that I don't want my accents to be so bad that people will be like, I'll never cast them as that person. Yeah, that's good. your smug mother please okay okay that I can do okay hi everyone um oh gosh sorry I just run my hair hands from my hair and it is so soft at the moment um anyway I just wanted to say thank you so much you know opening your little the jeweled ears and listening to sort of my sonic waves um of sound and advice and I hope you take it very seriously

thanks doll bye sweets guys thank you so much for listening to that i hope you enjoyed it we're going to see you on thursday for a really fun special bumper episode uh as is now the norm except this one i am going to be interviewing alex about herself and her life and her recovery and her amazing book and why everyone needs to buy it so we will see you on Thursday I've made it sound like a shit episode I've made it sound like sales shit it's not going to be sales shit it's going to be good shit come back anyway it's going to be good shit promise promise comments, I'll make it interesting. I'll make some stuff up, okay? I'll make some stuff up.

It'll be interesting. You'll be imprisoned by then. You'll have loads to tell us. Okay. Guys, we will see you on Thursday. Thanks guys. See on Thursday. Bye.