Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: Am I supposed to be a natural girly?

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

In this week's IIJM, Em and Alex discuss separating the art from the artist, staying "natural" and the response to Emma Raducanu's recent dropout...Follow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to Should I Delete That? I'm M Clarkson. Oh, that's light. How are we? I'm good, I'm well, I'm sweating. I'm anxious. I'm full of trepidation. Okay.

I've decided to, this isn't, we don't know what this now, we can save it for another time, but I'm going to dye my hair back. This is really exciting. It's huge. And now I've said it. I want accountability. I've put the appointment though. I'm really excited. Okay, you have to do like a cool transition.

I think so. I think I'm going to try it. But nothing makes me feel more tragic than when I try and do a cool transition. I agree. I agree. Although I, yeah, I can't do transitions. But I loved your marathon one when you step on the camera. Yeah, but if you actually pause in the marathon one and have a look at the security god's face behind me, because that was about the fifth time I'd done it. I would also hate to see it unedited. Like you're just stamping and then picking the phone back up.

That would be incredibly uncomfortable to watch. I think one day when I'm feeling fun, I'll make a compilation video of all my transitions. Please. Please. That's exactly what I'll do. Thank you for that content inspo. I love it.

I'm going to let my hair, well, I'm going to change my hair. I'm going to change my hair. I'm going to change my hair. Okay. Talk to us. Well, I've been blonde forever. Blonde for my whole life. I mean, I was a very blonde kid. And then I've always had kind of like caramely blonde hair. Yeah. And then it kind of got a lot darker when I hit puberty. And I think then I was like, wait, what's happened? I was always so blonde. So then I started getting highlights when I was like, well, I started doing it out of the bottle when I was 13 and then that went badly. And then when I was 15, my mom was like, enough with the botched jobs. Let's just get it highlighted. And then so I've been literally getting my hair highlighted since. then and then like it's got blonde and blondering balliage and whatever but it's in such shit condition out i just can't handle it like it always looks yellow because my natural hair's got quite a lot of copper and like orban in it right so it always looks yellow and i need to have

toners on it all the time and it's just killing it like okay since my hair's naturally curly and when if you look at photos of me before i started dying it when i was long when it was long and i was like five kind of when i met alex when i was like 15 it had long done curly hair and I keep trying to get my curls back and they can't come back because the environment is inhospitable. It's so dry here. It's like the Sahara and it doesn't matter what products I use. I can't hydrate my hair enough. It's not growing. It's all breaking. It's like, you know what? I want health. Before I go grey, because then you'll know when I'm going grey because then I'll start going blonde again. I love this. Yeah. I don't

think I'm going to go completely because I think it's a bit scary. Okay. I don't know my natural colour. So I think I'm going to, I've been talking to Nikita, my hairdresser, and I think we're going to, like, go, like, bring it all down. Yeah. And then kind of still have a bit light at the bottom, so we kind of get used to it, and then go from there and then kind of grow that out. And we'll see how it goes. That's really exciting. I think it's a good idea to do a gradual, a gradual transformation, because it will be scary to have no blonde. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to come out with like copper hair i reckon i 100% well i got a bit panicked yesterday when i was looking at photos like i made a real yesterday of like loads of compilation of myself and i was like oh my god

i'm nothing if not blonde no no no no no it's fine it's good it's good i think it'll be a very good move i'm scared it's the bangs all the thing is it's it's it's much easier much more easily fixed than the bangs that there's nothing you can do you can't stick bits on i feel like i'm having my Sarah Jessica Parker. In one of the films, she died a hair dark. And I was like, what? Carrie. That's not when she went to Mexico, is it, after the, after the wedding?

No, it was when she got back. It was the first sex in the city film. It was when she got back and she had Louise from Louisiana. Yeah, she died a hair dark for a change. And I thought, it does look healthy, but what have you done? And I feel like that's going to be, that's going to be me the next day after my appointment. Excellent. It does look, but what have you done?

No, I think, I mean, look, like there is, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I actually don't think there's a way to go blonde while keeping your hair healthy. It's just kills it. It's just bleach. It ultimately isn't it? And it just kills your hair. And I've been kidding myself. I've been saying, oh, I'm going to do ballet. And you know what? I'm the same with my nails. I've, I've not had my natural nail out in years. I know that they've gone to absolute shit under there, but I don't care because I can consistently bury them. But my hair, you can't. And it's like, I'm just sick of it. I'm just sick of it breaking. I'm sicking it falling out. I let my hair dry naturally because it goes so dry and it goes so frizzy because it's trying

to curl but it can't because it's dead but I think it like oh I don't really know there's probably like tricologists listening to this like you're speaking out your ass but I think when you dye it the hair is dead I think it actually is dead yeah yeah I believe so you're just like killing that you're just like killing the hair and I feel like yeah a hundred percent because I feel like if you were dealing with a dead body you'd want to moisturize it to keep it in good nick you wouldn't want to sandpaper it sorry that well if you had a dead if you had a metaphor i was not expecting you would try to keep the dead thing but like if my hair's dead which it is like i'm just imagining other dead things and it's like if you just leave a dead body

thing and probably go all dry or maybe it'll go really wet actually i don't know oh my god what i don't i don't yeah that was that was a weird you try out or do we get really do we go do we do you know mean? Do we? Surely we dry. Surely we dry. Because we've got no new moisture. We're not making any like oils or like sebum, are we? Any what now? I have no idea. Sebum. Horrible word. I think it's definitely going to be a good thing for your hair. It's definitely going to be whether you like it or not. I don't know. It's another story because it's going to be, it's going to be a change. It's going to be strange. But I know. I'm very afraid. It is something that is easily changeable because you can always just add more blonde back into your hair. Yeah, I can't. It'll be

okay. I think... Fuck it. I'm pressing the fuck it button. I think it's because I'm turning 30 next week. Oh my God, it is, isn't it? I'm in a spiral. Yes. Oh my God. Yes. You're just like, bah. Fuck it. Yeah, there's a point with this just before my birthday. I don't think it's a coincidence. Oh, God, I know what's going to happen. I'm going to look back at all my 30th birthday photos and be like, oh God, that was that random month I had brown hair for. Fuck sake. I'm so predictable. I know this about myself and yet still I continue. I love this. I wonder what you're going to do when you get to 40. I feel like it's going to get bigger and bigger like each decade, each milestone year. Yeah. And at the bangs when I was pregnant with Arlo, it's like whenever I'm facing this big life shift, I'm like, I know what will help. It's normal. It's normal. But you know what? We live and we learn. But also, I actually do think this is going to suit you. Because you're also, you are always blonde, but you're not like... Not like you blonde.

Yeah, yeah, you've always got like natural, like dark at the top. It's always like a lot of root at the top. The only thing someone did send me a DM saying was like, green eyes look really nice with brown hair. And I was like, okay, that's good. And then I thought about it because my sister's got green eyes and her eyes look really nice. And I'm like, okay, good, that's all the, that's all I need to hear. I need one, I need one little compliment to hold on to.

My eyes will look nice. And I do just, I mean, I always think this. I'm like, surely we look best at the colour that we're like actually supposed to be. I think if that were the case, then I don't think many plastic surgeons would have a job. Or hairdressers. I think the beauty industry would not be nearly as wealthy as what it is. Although there's an argument there to say we've been conditioned to think we need to look a different way. Right.

Maybe, yeah, maybe, I mean, like, who am I to talk? I literally, I don't wear any makeup. I'm like, maybe we should all just be natural. I'm like, well, when I, when I do my hair, that will be me. I will be completely natural, except for these completely dead nails. Oh my God, that's crazy. You'd be completely natural. I know, but I don't, well, I mean, I won't because, like, I've, I've wound my teeth before.

And I get my eyebrows down. I really want my teeth whitened. I want mine whitened again, but I used to get them whitened. They used to them all the time, and now I've stopped, but they just kind of hung in there. Oh, I'm like, and I thought completely natural, though. I know, I know, I know, I know. I also spend hundreds of pounds on my skincare. Do you know what I love actually?

I love, and I love the videos of girls that are like, oh, you're so naturally pretty. And then they switch to like a diagram basically showing everything that they have done. Like, Botox, get my eyebrows done, my teeth whiting, my eyelashes, fake eyelashes, like fake hair. And it's like, yeah, this is not natural. And I love that. I'm like, cool.

100% because we've been conditioned to do this like, yeah, transparency. Because we've been taught to be like a. shamed of the tweakments. So, and you're supposed to, like, you're supposed to want to be a natural girlie. You're supposed to want to, like, grow old gracefully. But within these very, very tight constraints. Right. Like, yes, grow old so naturally, but don't fucking wrinkle.

Yeah. Gray hair is disgusting. Don't gain weight. Like, I want long eyelashes. I want them to touch your cheeks. Yeah. I want you to fly away with them. Your eyebrows have to be just thick enough, naturally fluffy, of course.

literally. I want a full set of white teeth straight. Grilled gracefully. It's impossible, but you'll be fine. Impossible. Um, no, I love it. I like, I actually, I actually got, I actually had to like, like, rein myself in because, because I was like, typically, honestly, predictably, there were people in the comments being like, oh, promoting Botox. Like, I can't believe you get Botox. And I was like, go away. No. No. No. I'm not doing that. This is a good, this is a good thing. The transparency is a good thing they don't always transparency but it's good it's like honestly i i i the older that i'm getting the more i'm just like go go forth do whatever do whatever you need to do go and color in like

just do what makes you happy if you're saying i've had botox from this clinic um go to this clinic i'm going to give you a discount code like that's promoting botox but like yeah someone admitting to having it done go away like isn't not promoting it. No. Actually, I wonder what you... The same thing

where people we say to people like, oh, we're promoting an ecstasy. It's like, they're just walking down the streets. They're just existing. But actually,

I wonder what you think about this because I did a carousel of my, of our shit tip to ship tip trip to France. And in it, like one of the pictures, there was a bottle of like a cocktail, you know, like pre-made cocktail in a bottle.

And then in another one, Dave was drinking wine and holding the baby. baby. And someone, someone clipped both of these and, like, I can't believe you're normalising drinking alcohol, especially around a baby. Um, like this, you know, alcohol tears families apart and to see it being promoted by influencers without it being given a second thought. Sorry, what's happened there is alcohols torn her family apart and she's got to project that right. Right. Right. And that's actually when I, like, it's very sad.

yeah because initially I was like what I was like defensive and then I was like do you know what this sounds deeply personal so I messaged her being like this sounds like something that has been like a struggle for you or like a personal issue for you in your life and I'm really sorry about that and then I just didn't reply about me because I was like good for you honestly it does my head in like the the dad versus mom stuff like the dad versus mom leniencies like the amount of things that I keep seeing where it's like I can't even remember what it is but it's like dad's like wielding their babies around like picking

them up by their ankles or whatever it is and it's like super fun and I'm like if a mum did that like I need a videos with like thousands millions and millions of likes and it's like if moms were doing that they literally hell would break loose because I I think it's all the time like oh it's annoying it's so annoying

and that letting like Dave having a beer like Dave having a beer and holding Tommy would be like everyone's like oh super dad look at him if you had a glass of wine holding Tommy it's just like yeah wine mom is that really a good environment for your son

like it's so depressing I remember someone sending me a video when I was pregnant someone sending me a message when I was pregnant because I put up a photo of a glass of wine in front of Bua was in a restaurant she was sitting opposite me we were in a booth and she was sitting opposite me boo's the dog with a glass of wine in front and she was like what that better not be being consumed

and I was like By me or by the dog Either way Yeah but then that That like irritates me as well Because okay Like if you if you were chosen to drink During your pregnancy

That's nothing to do with her No Go away I don't know I know The policing is so frustrating But it is I mean Yeah

It's a projection Like I'm proud of you For identifying that woman's projection And her message to you That's great now Yeah It is, isn't it? Yeah, it took me a second

but then I was like, hang on, this is, yeah, this is, this is clearly, like, it's hit a nerve for you. Yeah, because if one plus one equals like 11 or 20 or whatever, you know, like, you know, she's really like making a mountain out of, or making a story out of something that's not there.

But there's so many people do that with mum's, it's so, it's like, we just assume the worst. It's like, we take a tiny little piece of it, like a tiny little scrap of evidence. But also, do you, do you see that thing with Lucy Watson that went viral on TikTok or a few months ago. Yes, I did. I felt so bad. Like, I hate that we do this. Is this when she, her baby was like eight weeks old, I think, and she was out driving. And she was like to anyone who, I can't remember,

who's in the newborn funk. She basically said, she was like, anyone that's like, just had a newborn, like, I've just left him for the first time. I've just had a facial. I'm drinking a matcha coffee in the sunshine. And like, if you're in the thick of it, it gets better. And she was trying to do it as a nice thing being like I felt like I've been in hell for eight weeks and finally I've today for the first time I feel like myself again and I watched that and I was like that match looks disgusting but good for you

like you look happy why shouldn't you best believe I'm bloody boyfriend or husband or whatever he is will have been out by now like right obviously but when she did it everyone's like oh she's so unrelated I hate this this is so la la la la and how you're just doing this to make new moms feel shit about themselves because we can't blah and it's like oh my God like okay she doesn't not everybody has to be relatable like her self-care is not your

self-care but like leave her be like Alex went to his first stag do he went on a two-day stag do to Ireland when ollo was six weeks old five weeks old and it's like sometimes that happens right if I went on that if I went oh my god can you imagine can you imagine can you imagine yeah and they can just and he can just off you go see you babe have fun It's, I don't know, but it annoys Alex as much as what it annoys me, I think. He gets, like, nothing annoys him more. He said he was in breakfast in Dublin the other day and four people told him he did, because he took Arlo down to breakfast because I was working by himself and he fed her and four people

said, oh my God, what a good dad. And then on the next day, when I fed her by myself, no, if anything, I was just a nuisance. I was just annoying to every, like, oh, why have you brought your baby down to breakfast? Hide. Shoo, shoot, out you go. Do you know what? I actually felt really sorry for Lucy because it's like and well firstly if I had been behind her and in the thick of it I would have been like oh my god this is so nice to see like this just gives me a glimmer of hope but also I think anyone who's had a baby in those first like few months when you do get that moment to go out by your set like you're just you're like basically locked in the house it's horrendous like it's not horrendous but it's just it's you've got cabin fever and it's like you go from one through the next it's like groundhog day you do the same routine all over and over again except there's a complete lack of routine and then when you get to go out

by yourself and like go and literally just get a cup of coffee or something it is euphoric the feeling is wonderful and you're like oh my god this is like hope for like what like all the moments like this that are to come and it's so exciting and it was clear to me that that's one of those moments that she was having and then everyone was like me yeah and like yes okay you know like you're not going to go and get like other people aren't going to get facial like I wouldn't I don't like facials I wouldn't do that but like whatever it was just like her being like yeah this is my self-care this is my form of self-care and I just yeah I know it's so unfair I just can't bear it it's so annoying because I just like actually James always says it she's like if dads wouldn't feel guilty then like

if if dad's not going to feel guilt then why should I as a mom and I'm like yeah fair fuck yeah I mean naturally obviously I'm still absolutely broken in half with guilt whenever I think about anything but that's by the bye Do as I say, not as I do. Speaking of DMs. Goodness. Actually, that was a terrible segue because speaking of... It was, we weren't speaking of DMs.

Terrible segue. Speaking of controversial online antics, is that what you wanted to say? That's exactly what I wanted to say. Thank you so much. I also had a lot of DMs about the episode this week with Billy I'm not surprised to hear that yeah yeah it's been do you know what I've had a lot of DMs and actually most of them have been really good

and appreciating the chat because they do they also feel like it's something that's left out of the of the movement of the body positivity movement and conversation so they were happy to hear it being discussed but like I mean predict predict to predictably and I do understand this you know I do have a lot of people that follow me that are um vulnerable when it comes to this issue and it was like inevitably triggering triggering for them and I and I do I do totally understand that I think you had the like reaction that I was scared I was going to or like not that

I was like I think you got the reaction that I was scared of like for the all of last week I was like oh I'm really nervous about this I'm really nervous about this and then you were like no I feel pretty good I feel pretty good and then we put it out no one said anything to me and apart from good stuff. And then you were like, I'm getting the shit. I was like, oh, sorry. That sucks for you. I'm lucky.

Everyone's really happy with me. But my followers, we've got different followers. You know, like we've got, we've got a big cross section, but we also have, you know, people do follow you for a very specific reason and you're very safe. And it's in that, it's a, it's a confronting conversation, as we said. Yeah. And the difficult thing is as well is it's like a lot, I think a lot of people reacted to us based just on the trailer, which is so often the case.

Right. This is the thing. Yeah. is the thing and it's so difficult like this is the thing with the trailer like we're cutting down a 60 minute usually a 60 minute 45 minute conversation down to 60 seconds because that's all we can do really as a trailer and so obviously a lot of the context is lost but we try our best to make it like very balanced and give a true like insight to the bigger conversation. I've actually stopped taking criticism like I've stopped accepting or absorbing criticism from people who

haven't listened to the episode. Right. I'm not doing this with you based on the trailer. Right. If you're genuinely wanting to have an adult conversation with me, listen to what we had to say. Right. And then we can talk about it. And if you still got a problem, that's completely fair enough. Yeah. If you're just making a load of assumptions and then getting angry, I don't really know why I have to sit and to listen to that. Because one girl did comment and said, you know, I just don't think intentional weight loss should be discussed without acknowledging or like looking into the reasons that we feel the need to lose weight. And I was like, we really did do that at length in the episode.

I also did that in the caption. We also did that in the caption as well. You know, we said, like, it's because of this world we live in. It's not saying it's bad and it needs changing, it needs looking at. But like, while we're in it, we can't ignore it. But there's nothing more probable than the what aboutery of the internet. Like, it is the most inevitable thing in the world. And it's so, well, what about this?

it's like well what a fucking bout it yeah what about it babes we tried to do our best with it and the thing is it's like we can't i think it's a really interesting like oh my god a moth i don't even know what that was um it's a really interesting time where it's like and i've heard them talking about it on a lot of like political podcasts as well where it's like people are getting to the point where they are so in their own bubbles that they do not want to hear from anybody even like slightly outside and they get very angry with people people within their bubbles, platforming, I said that in quotation marks, people who they deemed to be problematic.

Right. And it's a very dangerous thing, I think, for journalism and for free speech and for like general intellectual or nuanced conversation that we're too scared. Like when Graziea wrote, did that embarrassing profile on Rishi Sunak, we were getting DMs and people being like, just notice that you're still following Gratia. on Instagram and, you know, they've just written a really problematic article, so I thought you might want to unfil- Oh, fuck off. That's crazy to not want to completely denounce every single publication for platforming somebody that we deem to be problematic is wild. And I think

it's a real shame because there's a lot of conversations that I would really like to have on this podcast. I think I'm just too scared to even invite the guests on because I think of that issue. Same, honestly. And we've talked about having, um, a men's rights activist on. Yeah. And I think that would be like a fascinating conversation. But it scares me. The idea of it scares me because there will be people that see it and just react off of just

purely for the fact that we've had him on or we've platformed him. Like I, in one of the Q&As like a few weeks ago, you asked me or we talked about what podcast we listened to. And I named a few and one of them was one called Within Reason. And then I actually got a DM. off the back of that of someone saying, well, do you know that he's like platform like loads of really, he's like interviewed lots of really problematic people and stuff. I was like, but that, but like, if anything, that's interesting. That's a good thing for me to listen to. I do not want to

exist in, I don't want to exist in an echo chamber and I want my views to be challenged and I want to understand other people's point of view. At least. And you're allowed to disagree with people. Right. And at least if I, and at least if I, if I can't understand other people's opinion I at least want to be exposed to them yeah because otherwise like that's really sad like what's the point then in having

my opinions that are never challenged or I'm never I'm never going to at least open myself up to it I don't know it just it frustrates me but you can also listen I don't know you can listen to people that you don't like you can learn from people in one area that are wrong about a different thing

you can respect somebody's take on one thing whilst completely discrediting their take on the other like we have to allow for complexity and for like dimensionalism and I find that really like I don't know I find it very frustrating yeah we're just like not even allowed to I don't know like I remember oh I recommended someone's book like I really liked an author and they're like I don't know if you should because or like Jochovich like I said like oh I want jockovic to win do you really want jockovic to win because actually he's an anti-vaxter and it's like oh my god like again you He's got an opinion on, he's got an opinion on a vaccine.

Like that, I can, which I can completely disagree with and be like, buddy, I think you're wrong. But he's still a fantastic tennis player and great to watch. He's a fantastic tennis player. Yeah. And that's, yeah, like, I don't know. I find like, like, it's, yeah, it's so difficult. Like, yeah, I said, oh, I don't know, any, any, the, I like, oh, I like Max for Staff. Would you really think you like Max for Stappen?

Because he actually said in an interview one, then, blah, don't know, leave me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for me, where this, like, where this, like, where this. This, where, like, the tipping point for this is like, I don't know, we could be getting into, like, really controversial territory here, but, like, Michael Jackson. Ooh, okay.

I know. I know, I know. I don't like listening to his music. I watched that documentary with the survivors, with the three, the three victims. Yeah. And, like, that's it. Now, I can't, I can't enjoy his music. And I don't, I don't, I will never play it, like, for myself.

just to clarify very quickly I don't judge other people for listening to Michael Jackson and I don't say that other people can't listen to him is just how I feel listening to him I can't and yeah I don't know but then

I know that this is a whole other conversation as well like how do you can you separate out the artist from their art but I also think that's kind of between you and you and it's like it doesn't make like I mean I personally I agree with you I feel the same like I don't I find the like

yeah I find the allowance that we make for some artists and that we don't make for others quite confusing, like, that we, like, it's like, if their music's good enough, we'll completely, like, it's like, Chris Brown, yeah, his music's fine, so we'll happily cancel him, but like, yeah, yeah, but like Michael Jackson, well, I love dancing to thrillers, so I don't want to let that go, I don't know, but I feel like, yeah, yeah, I don't know, I find that, but that doesn't make you a bad person, that's the thing, like, you're scared to say that,

and it's like, we shouldn't be, I know, we shouldn't really be scared to have these pretty basic opinions, and it's like, and it really is all right that we disagree on stuff, like, it really is fine. I thought that with, what did we post the other day? Maybe even the Billy conversation. Oh, I know what it was. It was a Billy conversation and there were comments. And there was a woman who came into the comments with the wrong attitude and she was quite fat-shamed me and I didn't like her tone. And I was trying to speak to her in a way that was like placating her and be like, not placating, but trying to like educate her and give context and whatever

and I felt like I gave a pretty good answer and then somebody who was on the same side of me came and replied to my comment they're like no you haven't got this right and it's like this is the problem if we're going to do infighting here we have got a common enemy and I use that term Lucy because she's not really an enemy

because I don't really know we just disagree about this one thing but we've got this common disagreement here we're on the same side but you are going to nitpick me enough that I'll shut up and actually that doesn't help parkour's. Her rebuttal was just, it was some, it was purely semantics. Like, if she was

saying, and I just thought, the same thing as you said. Is invalidate what I've said enough that the woman we were initially disagreeing with, right. Won't agree with me at all. Right. So we've set the cause back further and this happened so much. The left, let is typically left leaning people, tie each other shoelaces up to the point that the right just run riot. Right. Right. We can't be bothered to fight with them. We're just busy picking each other out and the tiniest little I'm like, you sure you want to follow Grazia? It's like, oh, come on. Because it was semantics, what she wrote to you, that woman.

And actually, if she felt like she needed to say something, she could have done an and, and this rather than like, no, but, no. She literally started the message going, no, you're wrong. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's not helped. That's not helped. But she could have said, and also, you know, it just, yeah. Yeah.

No, I fully agree. But then, you know, but there is that attitude from, you know, like, from a lot of people where it's just like overwhelmingly they can see like and it's a frustrating thing and I think it's it really does set people back in the long run where it's like you can see someone doing a slightly good thing and you think I'm going to beat them to a point of perfection sooner than going to try to it would be much more effective we all went to somebody doing nothing and said hey what about something rather than going to somebody who's doing something and saying hey why don't you do everything yeah 100% oh god I feel like I feel like we've just we've had a very um serious episode serious episode serious episode I know. Before we even talked about Emma Radiccany because I wanted to talk about her. Yes. Have you been watching Wimbledon?

Do you know what? I haven't. I just feel like I haven't had chance, which is annoying because I love Wimbledon. I really want to watch it. But it's still on for another week, right? No, no, no, it's on for another like four or five days, I think. No!

Okay, okay. I need to watch it. I really to watch it. Yeah, rushed. I mean, it's quarterfinals now today. Bullocks, bollocks. Okay. Or semis, maybe even.

I'm boycotting it because we didn't get invited. As if. I thought you're going to say because they've done something problematic because they've got a sponsor who once funded fossil fields It's like oh god, brilliant, okay I'm boycotting because the CEO of Shell went It's like, oh no

Right, so Emma, I can never say her name Emma Radic... Oh, you know how I know how to say her name now? Go on, teach me So I've seen loads of adverts for our local for loads of local tennis clubs in London They're all over the place and they use her I don't know, there must be some agreement,

I don't know she's got some agreement where they say her name where they write her name out but then her surname they do rad and then they do you in blue and then can

in another thing and then it's like so the whole thing's in white like Emma Radicanu but the U-C-A-N of her name is in a different colour love that okay

Emma Radiccan is written within her name Emma Raducanu which is very useful to remember how to spell it that is really useful actually. I feel like I need to see it written down. Yeah.

But so she pulled out of, so she pulled out of her doubles match with Andy Murray. Mixed doubles because she, because she got into the fourth round against Sun, the tennis player, the New Zealand tennis player. And she has had, this time last year she had wrist surgery. So she pulled out of the mixed

doubles because she said, which I am a thousand percent short is a decision that Andy Murray would have supported. I was just about to say that. She had to look out for herself. And it's one, it's a decision Andy Murray would have made, I don't doubt in it, when, you know, in the

prime of his career. The singles, the singles was more important. You know, the mixed doubles was a nice thing, but the women's singles championship was a more important thing. And I knew it. The minute she lost and the minute she got knocked out, I thought that's it, they'll go for her now. And sure enough, the daily male ran a hateful headline about her

yesterday. What did I say? Shame on you, Ebber Radekano for abandoning Andy Murray. I fear she's a one hit wonder who has lost to support of millions of British tennis flans. like me. No! Is that what the head?

That is not the real headline. I have to see this with my own eyes. Never. Yeah. Shame on you. Shame on you for doing your own, like, it was so inevitable because she wasn't doing, she wasn't being a good girl.

She wasn't people pleasing. She wasn't, she was putting herself first. We don't like that. We're not fucking having that. That is actually really frustrating, because had that been the other way around and had it been Andy Murray,

He was in the prime of his career, and, you know, of course, like, that's the, that's the, like, ultimate goal to get a grand slam in tennis, isn't it? Is to win a singles grand slam. He would have been praised for making that decision. Yeah, she would have been the only British player who'd got through. And I knew it, I thought, when she made that decision, I thought she's going to get so much shit for this, because, and actually, if you think about the shoe on the other foot, if, for example, and I'm just looking at their ages here, if, for example, Andy Murray had let down, like, Venus Williams,

If it had been Venus Williams's last game and Andy had come back from one of his surgeries and he said to Venus sorry I've got my game tomorrow I've got to look after my hip She'd be like In fact it wouldn't even No one would care what she said

Because no one would report on what she said Exactly Because it wouldn't no one would care No one would care about Venus Williams's Exit from tennis They would just be like Well yeah golden boy of course it's got to protect himself And if he lost it would be like

Don't worry buddy We're all behind you anyway It wouldn't be shame on you Andy Murray for abandoning Venus Williams. No, and as soon as she lost the next day, I thought, that's that, that's that now, that they're going to go for her because they're going to say it wasn't worth it. She was selfish without cause. She was selfish and she wasn't even good enough.

You know, like she thought she was good enough to go without Andy and she wasn't. That's the kind of rhetoric. That's the underlying thing here is like the, whoops, you got a bit above your station there, but don't, don't get comfortable there. We're just going to whack you back down again. I knew it would happen. It's so, it's so bad. It's like unbelievable, honestly. And it's embarrassingly predictable as well. It's embarrassingly predictable. But that's it. Now that will follow to Emma Raducano now. And she's already had a lot of bad press for being injured. Like she's had it a lot. She's a one hit wonder because she won the US Open. And it's like, she's being blamed for the fact that we put a lot of praise on her because she won the US Open a few years ago. And then has subsequently had injuries. So he's not one another grand slam. And everybody's like, well, thanks. Thanks. Thanks. wasting our time we all believed in you and it's like she didn't fucking ask for that

she didn't ask for this cult following of like British patriots being like oh we believe in you and you've let us down it's like what no one's going to be more let down than her it's her bloody career but it's like what we did to Tim Hemman though do you remember that as well poor Tim Hemman poor Tim Hemman he was such a good player we're just I mean but British sports fans are very unforgiving we have so fickle so unforgiving yeah look look what they did to the British team after the euros last time when those guys missed the penalties were so racist. So much racial abuse.

Yeah, it was awful. And I thought that again when we had penalties the other night I was like here we go. I couldn't like I mean I can't watch penalties anyway. I just can't bear them but like I was like especially can't watch them because God love those poor young players if they miss it's just yeah no it's

we're horrible. We're genuinely horrible. I couldn't yeah I can't believe it. I'm really kind of was so young. Good on her. She prioritised herself, as athletes do, as all athletes do and have to. And should. And should, right? She prioritised herself. She knew her capacity and she probably followed the advice of her team as well. And good on her. And I have no doubt that she rang out Andy Murray and said, look, I don't know what to do. My wrist is really sore. And he will have said, fuck doubles. Of course. He understands the game. He knows the game. He's been in it for so long. And he knows that she has to prioritize herself. But this will be that now. This will be, this will be next year. It's like, it's the one they love to hate. It's the one that people, we don't like him,

a Radicano, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's been overexposed. She was our golden girl. She let us down. She's not going to do that. And it's like, oh my God, this is so, so predictable. She's now our common enemy.

For any of the years, yeah, for any of the years that Andy didn't make it because of Indriel, because of whatever else that he didn't make it through. Nobody would have given him a hard time, not really. Not in the way that they're doing this to her. Yeah. Oh, I feel sorry for her because it's so, it's, yeah, it's, I imagine it's very brutal to be knocked out of a tournament, especially a tournament like, the tournament, like the tennis tournament, like Wimbledon anyway, without people, without a nation now hating you. Yeah, it's so pathetic. It's so pathetic. Like, people who literally couldn't whack the ball. Like, if she served with them, like, my arm would fall off and she served with me. Like, who the fuck am I to have an opinion anyway? Do you, honestly, you crack on. Like, exactly. I could never.

I know. I fully agree. Well, she's not listening, but we're sending her lots of love. She is just categorically not listening, but we love you, we love you,

her. Because she'd have had to have got through so much shit. She'd be like, why would I care that this woman's going to dye her hair brown? There's no way. Okay, well, that's been quite a serious episode,

but I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I feel like I got a lot of. a lot off my chest there. Me too. It was capacity. There's only so many times I can tell Alex and my mom that I'm like raging at the treatment of Emeraldicano. It felt good to say it to you. We hashed it out. I love it. We hashed it out.

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