Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: Ariana and Cynthia - leave their bodies out of it!

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

It’s time to get topical! The highly anticipated Wicked film came out this week and guess what… we weren’t invited to the premiere (unlike the rest of Instagram!) We also get serious about the body shaming we’ve seen in the media around Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. Why do people feel like it’s okay to talk about their bodies and why are we so reductive when it comes to women?We also discuss camel anatomy, I’m A Celeb and the love of Em’s life… Hugh Jackman. Have you ever been so hungry you’ve eaten a glass Christmas decoration? Email us on [e-mail]!Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That? is produced by Faye Lawrence Music by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back should I delete that. I'm Mark Slate. And I'm in Clarkson. Hi. It's time for some... It's time to get topical. We haven't done one in a minute. Let's get topical.

Don't sing to me. Topical. No one wants this. We went so well last time. I did it quite well last time. Um, so... Wicked. I'm a silly way.

I said it like that. I sounded like my mum. then. Wicked. Wicked. Wicked. Were you a bit upset that we weren't invited to the wicked premiere because the rest of Instagram were? Honestly. Not surprised. What is our problem? Or what is everyone else's problem with us? I think, to be honest, I thought about it loads and I was like, okay, look, for a start, I don't love musicals. Don't say pregnancy, because that doesn't apply to me. I wasn't, I was going to say I don't love musical. Fine. Okay, I do. Then I thought, I don't know why, I don't think I've got any authority to say that because the greatest showman is my

favorite film of all time. So scratch that. Then I thought, do either of us have a dress? Can you imagine either of us in an outfit that fit that a brief? I find that to be highly offensive. Yes. Can you though? Would you though? What, dramatic? No, it was like, they all wore like a very specific type of dress, which actually now I think of it, I think you've got one. Have you got a pink needle and thread dress? I certainly do. Yeah, okay, you'd have been fine. Okay, well, I don't know why you weren't invited. I thought there was nothing I could have worn. Partial to a bit of needle and thread. Actually, that's a lie.

I've got one thing. My bridesmaids were dressed in needle and thread. Needle and thread, I, in another life, just live in there. Please stop singing. In another life, I live in their dresses. I feel like it's just like huge Kate Middleton princess energy, which I don't possess. That really made me laugh. It was like, a New York creator got invited to it.

And she was like to the New York, to the US premiere. and she's like, I'm going all out. I'm going to paint myself green. And she paints herself green and then they wouldn't let her in because they were worried that she was going to turn the seat screen and leave her green residue everywhere. And then it turns out that the green dye, the paint that she'd used had been recalled

because the dye is permanent. And now she's just green. A slight digression just on product being recalled. I went to John Lewis on the weekend. And I genuinely, I was hot, I was sweaty. I've got to stop doing this thing where I dream. I wake up in the morning. I'm not that ill.

I dream of all the things I'm going to do that day. I start doing them, realize I'm in a terrible state, fall off a cliff and then just spend the most of the day in tears feeling like a huge failure of all coming home and having to go to bed, right? It's a terrible pattern. Basically, I'm following that formula. Horrible. Monday through Sunday.

On Saturday, I woke up on it. No, Sunday I woke up and I was like, Christmas shopping. I'm going to be busy come Christmas. I need to do my Christmas shopping. Let's go. Also, I bought nothing for this baby. I have no hospital back. I'm not, nothing, all the, all the stuff's in storage.

That Friday is close. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, that's what I thought. I was like, okay, I need to get on top of my stuff. Yeah, a bit close. Need to get on top of all my stuff. Anyway, Peter Jones, let's go. We went, obviously, it was horrendous.

It was so hot. I couldn't take Arlo in the Escriator, but all the lifts were out of action apart from one, and I'm enormous, and so me, by the time me and her own, there was no room for anyone else, so I was unpopular, she wouldn't sleep, naps, it was bad day. Get to the counter to pay for my stuff,

And there's a sign and I thought, surely I must be dreaming this. Recall, Quality Street, Christmas decorations because customers had accidentally been mistaking them for Quality Street and eating them. And they were glass. So they shouldn't do that. Half of me is like, I get it. And then the other half of me is like, the human race is very stupid. Which half of you gets it?

Because the stupidest thing. You have to take the wrapper off. It's not like they've put like jelly babies up there. It's like I can't even understand the rationale for a child. Who puts a whole quality street in their mouth without taking the wrapper off? Imbeciles. You have a point, you have a point, but someone might have been desperately hungry and thought the rapper's going in too.

If you're at the point of eating the rapper, you're at the point of eating a Christmas tree decoration anyway. I don't see the distinction. I don't see the point in the recall. If you get to a point of hunger where you might ingest glass, I think you've got bigger problems than that, you know? I hear you, I hear you, I just couldn't understand what series of events must have occurred. But I mean, obviously it's been an issue. That's the thing that worries me every time I see a sign is that I know that it's necessary because something led to it.

If the issue has been you as a result of you or someone that you know, please write it. I'm really intrigued to have this We won't judge you Can we talk about Wicked What is it about us Can we talk about the Bridget Jones invite That we didn't get

That I had to then ask to get Are we talking about this? We've said it now Should we follow through with it or not? Yeah, that's followed through. Okay, fine So Georgie got invited to the screening

of the Bridget Jones premiere, trailer trailer premiere like a first glance of the trailer Yeah, which is a big deal Which is a big deal Highly anticipated films, equal. And I was so jealous.

I was like, oh my God, never normally do this. But can you ask if I can come? Because I would, like, die. They specifically didn't want us because they didn't think we liked the film. Now, you, I get. But if I'm being tarred with your brush that I have. You are. You're being lumped in with me. I'm being lumped in with you.

I had to write to them specifically and say, this is a misunderstanding. Blame Alex Light. Nothing to do with me. Great. Thank you. No, I didn't say that. But I feel it's sort of like literally my favorite film and I love Bridget Jones so much and I'm so sad that you think I don't like it. And then they replied and they were like, oh, sorry, do you want to come? And then I was like, I'm really sorry. I'm busy on Monday because I didn't realize the date. So they probably think of a massive asshole. But I was very upset. Can I just say though? I know it looks. Well, I love the film. Of course you do it. I absolutely love the film. Everybody loves it. We can also like critique stuff from the past. Yeah. We can still like it. We're still allowed to like take enjoyment from it. But we can also be like, hey, that wasn't. That wasn't all that would have a good impact on us.

Yeah. I love the film. Well, the film doesn't love you. I'm excited to see how they handle body image in the new film or if it's addressed at all. Have you seen the trailer? I haven't. Oh my God. She's a widow.

Sorry. Spoiler. Mark's gone. Colin? Dead. Colin no longer. Yeah. Which was very sad.

Oh, I don't like that. Well, it feels very SATC. It's very, yeah, it's very sex in the city. Yeah. And then she's got two kids now. So it's getting back into dating after two kids. Oh, my bed's really good. Yeah, I know.

I'll never know because someone won't be allowed to watch it. They've probably got a ban on my TV specifically for Alex Lived. Well, no, it'll be me too by association now. Look what you're doing. You're trashing me. We do. We do get confused for each other. We do.

Someone mess with me the day basically saying, like, sorry about the HG. I was like, that's okay. Do I look that rough? Or that pregnant? people do get as confused a lot of people come to me like oh can you remind me of that discount code and I'm like it's an M brand

sorry but also wait what do you mean it's a number give them the code out oh I give them the code yeah yeah give them the code MC 40 yeah

MC try any number with any brand I do that every time I go shopping if I go and look fantastic Nelly London's always got a code so I always try like Nelly LF yeah then Molly Campsie

very often has an abacrombie one so I'll always try I love that, Molly 15, I just remember. And then I remember the girls that, like, do the deals a lot. Good thinking. And then sometimes it looked fantastic and this is a secret, so I'll say it quietly. But sometimes I just think, like, of like, influence the people names, which, you know, they're a good shout. So I just try, if I know the formula is going to be like 15 or LORNA would have,

Lorna definitely has like a rolling one. But also, Lorna, not an uncommon name. Just try it. Try Laura. Try Kelly. Try Martha. They're quite random names actually. I don't know why I didn't do for like Jess and Millie.

And then just LF. Well, yeah. You okay? I don't know. It doesn't sound very good to learn. Not at all. Okay, well, there you go. That's a nice tip for everyone listening.

Always worth the try. You're welcome. Can we talk about wicked? Sorry, wicked, yeah, fine. Wicked. But why weren't we invited? I know. And I actually did finally have something to wear because you remember what I wore to our first night of our tour, the London show.

Yeah. The theme, because everyone talked about on Instagram, was pink with a hint of green. What did I wear? It was perfect. Perfect pink sparkly dress and my green shoes would bet I don't think I'd fit into it now

but that is not the point and then I thought I actually gutted yeah yeah but it's okay I saw it on Instagram apparently is very good

excellent but if you got invited to the premiere you would say it was very good but then also everyone did say it was very very good yeah and reviews I think are good

yeah I'm sure it's amazing I am excited to see it I am excited to see it me too I'll give them my money even though wasn't deemed good

enough for their little launch party we're not even good enough for most launch pot for any launch no no but that's okay what is it about us honestly yeah okay okay I think I know go on no what were you going to say I don't think we bring production value we're not we don't bring production value I don't think we're aspirational enough clearly not my time so loud yeah that's why they don't want you in the cinema, they're like, who's that gurgler in the back row? Oh, next to the one puking. Like, cause it's fucking water. We're making a great pair. One's going to like shit us out. All we do on Instagram is cry. I think it's time for us to go somewhere where someone can take a Getty photo of us that we can then put on our Instagram. Yeah, to show people we've got a

watermark. Yeah. Yeah. But I've never, I could know, I don't. But this is a horrible cycle because we need to be invited somewhere first in order to get the Getty photo. And no one's going to do that with what we've got going on at the moment. Right, well, we've got some pointers for next year. At least you have a sickness. Yeah, at least I don't want to go anyway because I'm too ill. Yeah, I would have liked to have gone. Yeah.

I think boy Alex would have died to have gone. He loves Wicked. He's taken me to see it. Yeah, honestly, anyone, like anyone who ever mentions in his vicinity that they haven't seen it, he's like, I'll take you. He's taking else. He's taking my friend's daughter. Our friend's daughter.

Like, you know, we know her. It's not just around. Take a kid any kid. So Alex is taking this 11-year-old. Every weekend. Different kids. They were going to go this weekend to finish. Come to stay for the weekend.

He was like, oh, can I take you to Wicked? I was like, people in the cinema will be like, there's this guy that keeps coming in with different kids. And it's strange. It's like varying in age. He loves Wicked. I think you've probably in it. He was in all the musicals.

Not in life. I'll go see the film with him. Oh, God. I really want to see it. I want to come. Oh, you can come. You can't take your kids to cinema. I tell you what Dave.

I think Dave could probably. sit it out. A hundred percent, David'll sit it out. Yeah, he can stay with this. He doesn't like the cinema. He's so weird. Oh, actually, I don't like the cinema.

He's so weird. Do you know what? You've got to take it back now. You've got to take back the he's so weird. I actually love toddler club. It's, we haven't, we haven't been able to do it for a while, but going with Tommy has been like one of the best things because you don't have to sit still and sit and be quiet.

You can be up and down and there's loads of noise and you don't feel constrained. I like the option of being up and down, but I don't like everybody else being up and down. I'm quite like that I try to concentrate I find the cinema I'm convinced that I'll go in there and then when I come back out zombie apocalypse will have ensued

everyone I know will be dead London will be a wasteland and I'll be eaten You know what that sounds healthy rational You know in the beginning of 28 days later

or Macillian Murphy Wait you see you'll always do this Which you blink and you miss it But Oh and you love Famously love seeing Willis on TV Millie's and seeing Killian Murphy's. Many of the people know it's out there, but it is.

I didn't know that. You're going to Google it. We just watched a film. It's traumatising. I was going to say something. I was going to say something really interesting. He wasn't at the cinema who was in a coma. What did we say we say just before 28 days later?

What do we just say? That I have rational thoughts and fears about the... Yes. Once I took all my little sisters to see a film. And I remember specifically it was Zero Dark 30. Very good film. We'd see different. films and I had convinced I got myself very convinced during the screening that there was a gas

leak I could smell I swear I could smell it and I thought that it was going to blow up and all my sisters would die what would happen to you we'd all die yeah it's not a good outcome really either way so I made us all leave before the end I was convinced like it was a tie I was young and my anxiety was very bad this is like premedication very very bad times, I made it leave. And they were like, but we really enjoying it. I was like, I can't have you die. Oh, that's final destination script through and through. Yeah. You will, by leaving, all you were doing was delaying the death by Gassley. That's a horrible thing to say. Well, I'm sorry. No, I'm going to live my life.

The petually in fear that all five of you are going to die. Fab, thank you. Thanks for that one. You will, but you don't need to worry about it. Yeah, okay. Thanks. Cured. I tell you what you should try to do. It's just like, take it or leave it. But like, why don't you just try like not worrying?

Oh, don't worry, be happy. It's just a suggestion. Sorry. My poor sister. They just left without seeing the end of the film. They didn't die. Just walking out. I was like, sorry, but we can take you to Zizis if you want.

To be fair, I would love to leave the cinema early and go to diseases. Oh my God. I did that in, um. Lord of the Rings when I was little. I watched a long film, don't like that. No, I genuinely watched about four minutes, and I thought, fuck this. I can't do this.

And I left. So I've never seen it. I genuinely saw four minutes and I think I went to Pizza Express with my friend. And I've never seen Lord of the Rings because of it because I left after four minutes. But for some reason, I'm on Lord of the Rings talk. And all I see now are Lord of the Rings memes. And they're fucking hilarious. Are they?

They're so, is it Sean Bean? Is it Sean Bean? Sean Ben. It doesn't sound, I don't know. Is it Sean Bean? He is, thank you, yes, I knew you'd know. Sean Bean. But also, can I just raise a question about his name?

Please. It's spelled... Yeah. Seen Bean. Sheen bean. Or Sean Bourne. Why is he Sean Bean? Oh, we're so stupid, aren't we?

It's so stupid. So stupid. Wouldn't he be Sean Bean? Sean Bourne? Sean Bourne or Bean Sheen. No, sheen bean. Bean. Bean. Bean Bean.

Sheen bean. No. Seen bean. No. Seen bean. Yeah. Seen bean. Sean Bourne. Oh, Sean Bourne.

Why's you getting Sean Bean from? It's not a mad one there. Wicked. Sorry. Yeah, okay. Wicked. Wicked. I don't know why I want to say it.

I sound like Tracy Beaker. I just get, oh, wicked. Wicked. Wicked. did. Everyone is talking about Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arevo's bodies. Weight loss. And their weight loss and the premieres. It's very interesting because I feel like it's become, it's really become unacceptable.

I mean, it always was, but we've caught more onto the fact that it's unacceptable to talk about people's bodies when they're larger. But I feel like people think skinny people are fair game and that it's okay to talk about bodies if they're thin because it's like, oh, well, fine, they meet the beauty standards anyway. And it's really sad to see how many people are talking about their bodies. And it's kind of, it's wrapped up in concern, like, oh, we're just concerned about her. That is, to my mind, the most concerning thing about it. Because if you look at, like, historical body shaming or the way that we look at, like, how we've always treated people in larger bodies, you'd often be, like, mocked or ridiculed.

It was, it wasn't done with any sense. it was always like a kind of joke whereas when it's here the the joke is just as bad both sides but there is this level of like toxicity to it where it's like either we're making it aspirational or we're we're laughing at them or judging them or whatever or it's this faux concern and it's whichever prong it's literally the same problem but from the other side and I and I think it's an important conversation to have because people skinny shaming is different it is because people in smaller bodies have not had the same life experiences as people in bigger bodies they have not face the same prejudice they will have had in certain areas of their lives an easier time

because they're in smaller bodies but the context of this conversation is that both these women look very thin and people are saying they look very thin historically we know very thin isn't great in terms of like health so why how do we justify it how i don't understand the rationale do you have an idea of do you know do you think you know why people are doing it how people justify it to themselves well yeah there is this this faux concern and it is it is foe i've genuinely believe that people aren't interested in ariana grande's well-being no um i don't think many of the general public are interested in celebrity's well-being, let's be honest. They want to talk about it. And I get it. It's human nature. They're seeing something. They do look different. These two

women do look different. And it is human nature to point it out and engage with other people in like what's, you know, like gossip and what's going on. Are you seeing the rhetoric, like, is it a suggestion that they're on ozempic and whatever else? Or is it a suggestion that they're unwell? That they're unwell. Yeah. That they're eating disorders at play. God, it's unusual, isn't it? It's so funny. though, because it's like, there can be eating disorders at play when someone's in a larger body as well, but people don't care about that.

But also, there's no concern there. What, like, like, kind of revolting armchair diagnostic behavior. Right, right. Yeah. It's like when, we talked about it when Angelina Jolie came out recently and she was looking so thin and everyone's like, oh, that's it. She looks really poorly. She's probably going to die.

It's like, oh, that's nice. And it's, but if we stand against body shaming of larger people, we have to stand against body shaming for everyone. No one's fair game for body shaming. We have to leave, we have to leave bodies alone and just let women exist in their bodies without passing comment on them. I think that's it.

I think it's difficult because to treat the issue the same, you can't treat the issue the same because skinny shaming and fat shaming are different things. They are. And they exist. And there's a lot of debate about this online. Yeah, but they are. But they are absolutely are.

They are absolutely different things. Skinny people aren't marginalized the way the fat people are. No, they're not judged. They are fitting into the, okay, they may be judged, but they are fitting into a beauty ideal. That is aspirational. But if you zoom out from the like semantics of like the side versus side and look at the whole thing as a whole, you're right. It's just a fixation on women's bodies. It's overpowering the art. It's overpowering the production. It's overpowering them as human beings. It's so reductive that we do this when the, when, when, When there's any film come out, when there's any big moment for any woman, we reduce her

or them to what they look like. Her appearance, always. And it's so frustrating. So the semantics of like, whether it's concerned, whether they're fat, whether they're thin, whether they're too, this or that, or whatever. It's like just call a spade a spade. It's such boring misogyny. And it's very annoying.

It's very, very annoying. Because we've had Deadpool and Wolverine, no comments. I have no, I cannot give you one piece of information. I suspect Hugh Jackman is jacked because Wolverine Beefcake. And I know he does a lot of training and I've seen it. But no one talks about it. That would be interesting. That would be like, wow, how did you build up your muscles like this?

But it's not the same. I'm going to add another layer of complexity here that is only just occurred to me today because we had an interview with a psychologist and it was super interesting and made me think about things that I've never thought about before and she was talking about celebrities taking OZempick

and suddenly coming onto the red carpet like super thin or whatever and she was saying that actually for a lot of celebrities what they have to resort to to stay relevant and to stay in the public eye is they have to change their look

and change things up and I am not saying that this is what has happened with Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arevo but maybe in some instances people feel like, well, it's a premiere, it's a big movie, there's a lot of money behind it. I have to look different. I have to show up at this premiere looking different in order to get the press.

Yeah. In order to get the headlines. Yeah. Again, I feel like I'm, I feel like this sounds like I'm equating it with what's going on, you know, at Wicked and I don't mean to. It's just something that I had never thought about before. Yeah. That's why the Kardashians have always changed their hair so drastically. It is. It is. That's actually a bit insane. Imagine going from that dark to that blonde.

Madonna's the blueprint for that. that, isn't she, of like, she's a comedian, like, constantly changing the way she looks, constantly switching it up and she's like the blueprint for like staying relevant as a celebrity. Okay, and I want to talk about that because I want to talk about more celebrity stuff and I want to talk about the jungle. But before we do, can I just talk, Ariana Grande and my Hugh Jackman comparison. Now, I have to stress, Hugh Jackman can do no wrong in my eyes. Since the greatest showman, he is the king of my heart and love of my life. I just think he is an extraordinary man. I see my marriage in a different light when I see my love for Hugh Jackman.

I'm like, of course this happened. Alex, singing and dancing, like jazz hands, footloose, performing. It was your destiny. It was my destiny. Of course I was going to end up with the musical man. Anywho who. Hugh Jackman has left his wife. Yes.

Which is devastating because despite everything I just said, I did want him to be happily married. And I always thought they had a very sweet relationship from the nothing, I knew of it, from the projections that I made. But they were together for ages and ages, like 20 years or something, longer maybe, and they had kids and whatever, and they've really grown up together. Ariana Grande also had an affair. I'm just drawing this comparison, allegedly, with your man Ethan,

who was in the Broadway thing of Wicked. Yes. Wicked. Stop it. Stop it. Ethan Slater. Ethan Slater, yeah. And he had, he left his wife who just had a baby for Ariana Grande.

Reportedly. Reportedly. I think there's a confusion around it. Although she did put a quote out the wife, I think. Saying Ariana's not a girl's girl. She isn't great. That was later attracted or something. I know, there's a lot of, it's very complicated, it's very messy.

So I'm saying this all speculatively, but I do think the treatment is like super different. Like Ariana, for the last couple of years, it's been like, she's a home wrecker. She's like, this is all she does. and she wasn't, maybe she wasn't a relationship. I don't know. But I do think it's interesting that it's like she's having her blockmaster moment and all I'm hearing about her is one, she's so thin, like what's wrong with her. And two, she's like an adulterer.

Hugh Jackman had this movie moment a couple of months back whenever it was in the summer. He was a grand. Yeah. Like, never mind your marriage. It was like Broman. Yeah. And it was exactly the same thing. Yeah.

He'd got with a woman who was on the set of something. that he was doing a play. Play seems steamy. Don't they hate. It's like strictly come dancing, the curse of the play. I know. It was scandal or.

Speaking of British TV. I'm a celebs back. Le jungle. Le jungle. You haven't watched it. I've never watched it. You've never watched it. It's a big commitment.

No, I've never watched it. Sorry. I've seen you commit to way worse than the jungle. Admittedly, yes. It just feels like a lot. Oh my God, it's great. Is it? What are you doing instead?

What are you doing instead? at nine what are you doing at nine o'clock nine p.m yeah what are you doing you're not asleep trying to rock a baby back down to sleep probably yeah you could be doing that with the jungle and then getting a head start on the night but yeah you've got time i have got yeah nine's nine's quite it's quite late for me it's not at nine o'clock nine p.m no sorry that's too late i don't like that it is quite late for me i've done two episodes and me and alex are really feeling the effects so we're normally in bed by nine normally the series has to finish the episode has to finish by nine especially with babies that wake up early You've got to get a head start on the night.

Yeah, we woke up at 20 to 5 this morning. Absolutely not. Having gone to bed at 11 last night, because we said it watching I'm a celeb. Ew. I know. Shame on you. I know.

But I've got vested interest this year because Jane's in. Jane Moore is my mom's best friend. It's in the jungle. She's also in my best friend's mom, which is like fun. That's so cool. I know. So obviously I'm like losing my mind. Oh, how is she doing?

Yeah. Crushing it. I don't know. She's just, yeah, Jane has jungle. It's nuts. It's like, it's so surreal seeing. It must be so weird. It's so weird.

It's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. She's been on TV anyway, right? So I guess you've seen her on TV. Yeah, she's a loose woman panelist. But it's more that like, you're really seeing her like, I don't know, do, because she saves my mom all the time.

Yeah. And we spend loads of time together. You know, I spent like, she's like another mom. And so it's like, I'm watching her do stuff that I've watched her do, like at home, but she's in the jungle. It's like, well, what are you doing? It's, I've never had some vested interest before. It's amazing.

Who else is in this year? Right. this year, we've got Talisa. We've got Talisa. She's making her TV comeback. Yes, but do you know why she's having to make a comeback? We talked about this before we started recording. Enlighteners.

I was so angry on her behalf. Tulsa had this big fall from Grace, right? Like, when we were kids, she was everywhere. I saw her at Gastonbury in 2010, big flex. Oh, my God, sing end-ups. It was unreal. Okay. Unreal.

They were so good. I fucking loved end-offs when I was really good. I can't remember their music. Oh, my God. Do you remember I say, they just don't go Papa, can you hear me? And the lyrics in it were literally like, like, how did your dad? Like, I found mine dead on the couch in my flat.

I'm like, oh my God, lyrically, this is so ominous. Like, there wasn't any poetic license to talk about. Like, his dead dad, he was literally like, found my dead on the couch in my flat. It's like, cool, cool. Excellent. Oh, my God, they've done some absolute bangers. It just really, but yeah, lyrically, sometimes I'm a bit like, ooh. We didn't even try and never mind.

No sugar codes. No, no fluff. Tell us how it is, Dabby. But, yeah, she was 11 when she joined Endox, which is insane. No, she wasn't. And she was 22, did you say, Dave? No, she wasn't. When she was doing X Factor.

Talisa has been, like, immortalised to me. The fact that she's now 36, I'm like, I think you've lived so many lives. Yeah. I've seen her at so many points throughout my childhood. It's so weird. She's your age. She's my age. Bloody hell.

I know. Yeah. She seems great, but bless her. So she had this. obviously huge career. Yeah, I feel like she was like the nation's sweetheart for a while. She was in end-dubs and she did the X Factor and then she was involved in this fake shake scandal

where she was basically set up and it was entrapment but with this guy. There's a really interesting podcast series about the fake shake called I think it was a British Scandal series. I think they did a three-parter on the fake shake and it's really worth listening to. But they kind of stayed,

they kind of told the story around Tulisa's involvement And she was effectively set up to look like a drug dealer. Really? And that was the end of her career. And it's like, it's so, it made me so alarmed by like how reputationalally a woman can be ruined. Like that. And it's taken like 10 years for her to come back into like public favor again. But even so, everyone's like, oh, wasn't she into the drugs or isn't she?

You know, the scandal that surrounds her. And actually, I think. I guess she was even using drugs. Tightrope is so... Yeah. I don't know. I really felt... Portalusa.

I hope she... I hope her career has a revival. Like, she's obviously great. Yeah. She's in there. Jane's in there. G.K. Barry's in there. She's fucking hilarious.

Podcast royalty. Podcast royalty. Maybe that'll have us in there at some point. They never will. I would never go into the jungle. Would you not? Not in a trillion years. You wouldn't catch me.

No. I don't suppose we would actually. No. I think I'd be fine. mine. The thing I would find much more difficult, I've thought about it quite a lot since Jane's been in, is the forced, when you meet everyone and you have to like jump around in a hug and like, hey, like all of that, group stuff. I can't. I'm so socially. That scares you and not the snakes and the spiders and the rats and the coffins. No, there was a point where

like they had to like all put their arms around each other and jump. Like, ah, like we're so excited. and I thought, that looked fucking awful. Like, I would do any of the challenges over that. And you're on camera, because I'm so awkward anyway. They're like, you know, people go for the hug and then, blah, blah. And it's like, and it's all just there being filmed. So, yeah, that's where I'd struggle. I'd be like, that's where I draw the line.

Because I'm so aware of, like, having to touch people. No, no, it's not bad. It's more like, okay, when everyone's in a group and you're like, sometimes you just need, like, you've got no social about it. Sometimes you sit by yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you become acutely aware of the fact you're sitting by yourself. Yeah.

And then you start thinking, oh my God, am I not included? And then it's like, wait, is everybody not including me? But you can't have these existentials while you're sitting on TV. So you just have to be included or be fine with not being included. But make sure that you always look fine about the fact you haven't been included. That's a lot to think about. You're stressing me out. Exactly.

Whereas when you're in the Bush Tucker challenge environment, easy, star, done. Like, you see. That's way easier for me. I see everyone would hate me and the public would hate me. me because I wouldn't be able to do any of the challenges and people like people who are heroes and take one for the team and just you know get on with it and I just I'd crumble you would you would you would you are you like a minus offer on the chase type like would you take a minus offer absolutely not it's giving that energy no no no no no it is a bit though no it's not

yes it is because it's literally taking away everyone's dinner by not even trying but the minus offer on the chase is that's very much a choice You've got a choice. A bush took a trial, I would feel like I didn't have a choice for some of those things. I couldn't put my hand into something I didn't know. You've got to think. Well, my thoughts are obviously very powerful. Yeah.

So channel them to cut into stars. You can do it. No, I'd be horrible. I'd be horrible. What'd be your worst one? Luckily, I'll never put myself in that situation. No. Eating anything.

With our track record, we won't be invited. We definitely won't be invited. So I don't think you need to worry. Yeah, the eating wouldn't be great. yeah i think they i'd probably struggle more with the eating i'm not scared of anything really oh right did you see the trouser snake yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't i don't mind snakes oh my god if there was a snake literally on my fanny no that's how did you get your baby i couldn't cope don't um i don't like rats their tails give me the willies i think rats are quite cute actually

i wouldn't mind those mice too it's a bald tails and they're like worms but attached to an animal and I hate worms would be a problem Oh no you know what worms would be my problem I cannot stand worms I don't trust them The fact that they've got two heads

or two buns From whichever way you look at it Worse than worms maggots No I kind of feel like you know where you're at with a maggot You're in people fishing

And they've got big buckets And it's more like a worm It's just like On this thing with the two arms And the two heads And the two things Can I just leave you with a question Slash a thought

Which I've been thinking about a lot Dogs Have four legs they only have two knees because the front two are elbows so does that mean that dogs have elbows yes does that mean that dogs have arms

yes so dogs don't have four legs no they've got two legs and two arms and two arms so dogs have arms and please we clear that arm literally first no one else will ever heard that before I think about it

or same with horses yeah horses go backwards not forwards come again right if you watch your horse lie down which admittedly I don't watch them do a lot but a horse's front legs go

like back and up like elbows and then their back legs go like down like over oh this is why that optical illusion of the horse works I don't know what you're talking about but yeah but camels

yeah I think camels have four knees I saw a video of a camel climbing a hill this morning and I thought that looks like I also thought they'd be better at it than what they are have you seen a camel climb a hill like a sand dune no not very good no I thought they'd sort of you know like mountain goat yeah just you know I'm a camel this is the sand dune this is kind of what we do yeah it's a real it's arduous they have to like really climb it

anyway let me see do camels famously with no water I don't know yeah oh no lots of water no no no no they don't they store it in the humps there's not the point of a camel Not the point of a camel that's hard. You're a water storage facility, you're nothing more than a water cooler on legs, to be honest. Ignore what I said about having four knees. They're the same. They've got two elbows, two knees.

This surmises it. Look at that. Look at the back, knees. Look at the front. Elbows. Is that what the, what is the hump for? It doesn't not contain water. Obviously, it doesn't contain water.

No, that would have been... Is it because then you've heard of a camel back? Is this why you got confused? Camelbacks are the things that runners wear that they put water in that they can sit water out of. I think that might be from where it came from. I don't know. Which is a very endearing. It's a real shame.

Well, on that note, we're going to love and leave you. Okay, do you. And we'll see you on Monday. Who's coming? Oh, great guest. Such a good guest. We've been crushing it with our guest. Like, not to blow our own.

I don't know if we do say so ourselves. No, but I will say so ourselves. I'm so proud of us. We have, yeah, we've just, we found some really amazing, interesting people recently. Also shout out to our producer, Extraordinary. Producer Faye. Yeah, we've really thrown you in the deep end though because we're like, hey, we want a real shake-up on guests.

And we've got this crazy series that we need to record in like two minutes. Help. That's what we've got to go now. Help. Okay, got to go. Oh, sing us out. You didn't sing us out. No, absolutely not.

Guys, ta-ta. We love you. Goodbye, my friends. No, you go and you said you get. Oh, God's my tummy as well. Feel queasy. You've got to go. Bye.

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