Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: Can you disagree on politics and still be friends?

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

Get ready to be fired up because today we’re bringing you an accidentally ragey episode - it's time to read the Daily Mail Showbiz section together… We’re also asking if pregnant women should be showing off their bumps more in public, and whether you can be friends with someone you disagree with politically. Do you have an Is It Just Me for us? Email us on [e-mail]!Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That? is produced by Faye Lawrence Music by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to you should update that. I'm Alex Light. And I'm in Clarkson. You're already eating a jelly bean. I am eating a jelly bean. And just before we get into it, I just, I'm on the H&M website and I just need to know, do you think I need a waistcoat? No, no, no, I don't need a waistcoat.

Do you think I could pull off a waistcoat? Would I have cords for a waistcoat? Do you see a waistcoat? I think a waistcoat on a bump would be very cool. How are we dressing it? How do you close, like close their eyes, how are you visualising it? You've got to go all in. You go all in or out, okay?

So you've got to wear low slung trousers or jeans. You like your ragged priest ones. And then a waistcoat that sits open over the bump and the bump is out. Have I got a bra on? Wear the tiddies. You can wear a bra. So where do I, do I have a top on? No.

Just the waistcoat, bump out. Okay, so I need a quite a specific waistcoat that can do up. over my massive boobs and then fan out nicely over the bump. Gorgeous. Yeah, no. But I imagine in this. It's a specific look. It's a very specific look.

Where would I wear it? There's so many outfits. I just keep thinking, I want to do it, I want to do it. But if I arrived here, like, honestly, guys, if I arrived in here and I was wearing a little cropped up with, like, my whole stomach out, when there's like a baby in there who you can literally see moving out, you'd be like, really? Yeah, do you know what? That is actually something I think when I see these women with their bumps out, which I love.

I couldn't have done it myself. Just, I would feel way too uncomfortable. But like, what happens when the baby moves? Like, that's kind of crazy to see, no? No. But then I'm also like, it's nature. It is. It's like incredible.

The other day, or the other day, a couple of weeks ago, I was sitting in a bikini. And my family was like, you should do this more. And I was like, yeah, no, thank you. Where? Where? I can't, I can't be comfortable anywhere. doing it like I love it in theory I like put a cute little outfit on and then I'm like that's it that's my problem with fashion pregnant or not but that's and this is this is something I talk

about on women's hour actually about like how there is all this new like pregnancy dressing of like showing a bump but it's very I think it all looks great when it's like a celebrity having a moment having a photo shoot yeah doing something for insta like that's great but then if you're just going down to the shops and your entire bump is out it's just a I want to start doing. That's the confidence I need to be channeling. Honestly, good for you and go for it. It wasn't for me. I know. And I just want it to be for me because I hate that like you have to be demure with this shit. Like it's really like I don't know. It really annoys me. Yeah. I know. We have to be modest with it because it's kind of

amazing. And I feel like in a lot of cultures like we should really like, but people would really celebrate it. And I don't know. But then also before I got pregnant, when I was a teenager, I used to be like, oh like pregnancy really weirds me out so I would probably get quite a lot of judgmental looks from people who thought like I thought you know when I was like horrible and dating I think people would have a hard time not looking because we're just not used to seeing that

and then I'd be self-conscious and then you'd feel self-conscious yes I just don't think as a society we're quite there yet because I think like okay great I could wear it to the studio right like so I wear my little outfit right and I come in here and I'd get past your guys as initial like ooh and then I'd sit down all right and it's fine and we'd hopefully take a photo

for Instagram so it was worth something but then we'd sit and do an interview and then the clips would come back and everyone would be like ugh, jump scare like you've got to be like out of context like when the outfit is the point great but like if not

it's just shocking to people but it shouldn't be so maybe I should be part of the you know the change because I do think it will change I think in like 10 years it'll just feel yeah by the time you're having kids and also whenever I watch models have babies they always do it so well

they're always in waistcoat vibes yeah I think you should do it by the waistcoat Montana Brown is pregnant again she's having another baby and she's probably going to be my Molly May this time and I keep looking at her like look at you with your little bump out is she wearing it out yeah she looks great

I want it to be leased I remember you did it with you were walking down the street yes yes yes did it for Instagram never did it for real life it feels like a lot it feels like a lot but then I wouldn't do it with my tummy not pregnant I would though, that's the annoying thing. Would you? Yeah, like I'd normally wear croctops.

I'd wear, I'd wear, I wear, yeah, I wear croctops and like hygiene and whatever. I'm not quite like... No, but see, I would do that with a hygiene. With a bump, it's a low gene, isn't it? Like, if you're showing off your bump, it's your entire... Like, that's cold as well. But I would love, like, whenever I see Gen Z's with their whole tommies out, I'm like, yeah, I love this for you.

But, right, I don't know, because when I was pregnant, I did feel like you are very protective, of the bump obviously naturally because you know you're protecting the baby I'm less protective of this one than I was with the last one but when it's completely out like totally unshielded I don't know I think I'd feel funny about that well in case someone touched it it just feels very close

to the world everything I don't know you feel like it needs layers and protection oh I don't know it feels very vulnerable if it's completely out no do I do I really think of it as vulnerable no no I don't know why I kind of think it's hardy I'm like yeah Like I look like a little space hopper in there It always brought me out How close they were to like

The outside If they were any further How would we get them out No I know I know It's how it has to be But it was just always like Also I mean

You know what I don't even want to get into Because I think about it for too long And it's just so weird There's a kid Like there's a person in there There's a person in there I've never met her I've got a stranger

Living in my stomach That's so weird I don't think so There are four of us in the room right now Yeah Oh that's gonna make me burr None of us have ever met the other one. Like, it's like, it's like Peter Pettergru and Harry Potter.

Oh, I don't like it. Yeah. Get out. No, no, no, no, no, you're fine, baby. You stay. No, no, you. You get out. Yeah, it's weird, isn't there?

Oh, it's creepy. I know, they're going to meet you and she's going to be so great. See, but don't you think? It's so abstract until they're born. You just cannot. Oh, yeah, no. It's weird. But like yesterday, I had to make a dress, like I made a dressing table yesterday.

Like, instructions, Alan Key. two screwdrivers, a hammer. I hate it. I hate it. Yeah, no, I know, and I did all with that, and it was so difficult. And I'm like, how am I finding this hard when I've literally made a whole human being? It was very passive, isn't it, making a human being? Yes. It doesn't feel passive, but as in like, you don't have to instruct yourself.

No, no, no, I have not a clue. Yeah. I don't understand it. If I was in charge of doing it, it would be, I don't think Tommy wouldn't be in it. I don't think Tommy, and it certainly wouldn't be in the form that way. in. You'd be jumbled up. That elms putting it at the top of his head.

Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, no, no, honestly, because I gave up yesterday with the dressing table. There were two screws that literally just wouldn't go in, and I thought, and probably only had to put seven screws in in total, and two of them wouldn't go, so I thought, fuck it. I didn't know why you started it in the first place. Well, because I really don't.

Because I bought it, then I needed it. And otherwise it's going to stay in the box forever. That's why I started it. That's, like, better. No, I did it, and I finished it. That's preferable. That's the point. I didn't finish it because I didn't do the last two screws and I feel like you can't take that attitude towards making a baby. You know what I mean? We need all the screws. That's worse than it being completely unstarted for it to be up but missing two screws. No, I've decided that they don't, I don't see how they could be integral. But then I thought, well, what's the point in having them in the first place? And then I thought there must be some point because otherwise you wouldn't have instructed me. But I can't see the point and I can't get them in and I'm tired. So fuck it. I don't like that.

We left it. Whenever I see your dressing table now, I'm always going to think of those two screws. I will never show it to you and you'll never have to. Well, there you go. Where should they be? When will this collapse? Yeah. When will ends?

Legs be broken by this collapsing onto her. Watch this base. I love that sad. I have, and is it just me for us? Okay, dokey. I have an is it just me for us. But actually, I screenshoted this. And I feel like I don't want to always be harping on about like how horrible the internet is.

but I just, I screenshotted this because I couldn't believe it when I saw it and I just need someone to talk to about it. Oh, it's one of your own? Is it Just Me's? I've got two, is it just me's. I'm ready. Okay, this is my own.

So this woman posted a video I said, having horrible features but perfect facial harmony. And she's got like a very strong face, like very strong features. Yeah. And the comment section is just an absolute dumpster fire, as you can imagine.

But this, this comment in particular, no, no, it's the other way around. Beautiful features, but terrible placement and terrible combinations, right? And it has almost 20,000 likes this comment. People are absurd. I actually screen grabbed a comment the other day that I forgot that I did

and I was going to put on Instagram and then it was a day before my best friend's wedding and I thought, we don't need to get into all of this now. But that has just reminded me. So obviously Molly May has just split up from Tommy Fury and she put her thing up on her Instagram basically saying we've split up and then she's had to go back to work which is fair enough and her job is being on YouTube so she's vlogging right yeah and what I absolutely can't

bear is that the the tabloids the magazines the fucking like Instagram clickbait shit where pages like okay magazine will take the clip and do it as if she's given them an exclusive so it's like Molly May breaks silence on Tommy's split and within that video she's saying I don't want to talk about it publicly I'd seem to be about my life I've got my daughter blah blah blah blah so then obviously because everybody has got one brain cell between them

all the comments are just like who gives a fuck shut up no one cares about you broken her silence she hasn't shut up about it I'm not going to talk about it but if you chose him to live your life in the public eye why do you think you can pick and choose he got bored of you we're all fucking bored of you look at you cashing in on this story but everybody's saying

like stop selling your story like to her and it's like she's Molly May can we just give like a lesson in celebrity to people they aren't selling their stories people don't sell there no one wants to buy their stories

in this day and age like yeah in the olden days yes that's how the PR machine operated you would have a publicist and when you had something coming out newspapers would be wrong deals would be made

perhaps would be organized and that's kind of how things happened. It really doesn't happen like that anymore. Like, okay, yes, right. If a celebrity is attached to a PR event, let's say like Katie Price is going to an event, a fake tan event. The fake tan company's publicity team, their PR will call the Daily Mail and they will email because it's the modern ages. They will email a press release saying Katie Price was here. that's not Katie's PR and Katie Price is an interesting example

because she perhaps is one of the few celebs that does still maybe have that relationship with the papers people always say this about me with my I'm not going on celebrity people always say this about me with the sickness like stop calling the papers no it is my idea of hell there is nothing worse than when somebody picks up an Instagram story and prints it as if you've given it to them

but it's such a clever tactic to make the reader so sick of the person in question and actually Molly has been super tight-lipped about it. Super tight-lipped. And she's showing back up at work as anybody would have to do. Like if your fiancé,

if your marriage, your relationship falls apart, you've got to go back to work. She's got to get back onto YouTube. She's not writing this fucking story. She's putting out her content. It is being reported on. That's not her fault.

Yeah. But they're blaming Molly. And that's what these papers are so sure of that it's not them that we're going to hate. It's going to be the celebrity that they're writing about. And they rely on the misconception.

Yeah. I can fucking hate it. Speaking of the media, so this headline that I screenshotted, right, about Katie Perry and her comeback, okay, Katie Perry's cringe comeback is a tacky flesh-flashing nightmare and, says Caroline Bullock, it's sad proof that women suffer humiliating midlife crises too.

How rough is that? fucking rage. I just rage at that. Katie Perry's cringy comeback is fast becoming a midlife nightmare. This cringy, like the use of the word

cringy pisses me off so much. And something else that I'm noticing and obviously like they're all at it and they're all horrible and they're all hateful

and obviously the daily mail is obviously the easy one to go for. If you just read literally any of the headlines, I'm finding another new tack is where people go for the fans are criticising

like comments are negative or whatever and it's like they are making up stories now they will see one negative comment on a TikTok video and make an entire that's the agenda and they can make an entire story of it and that's they make the news they are the news they make the news

oh I hate it so much I mean this headline Kate's video was so moving but something feels off and I fear others will see through it it's like what why do you fear that why do you fear that

you don't fear it why do you fear that why do you care what other people think why are you so obsessed all the time it is so transparent oh okay let's just get anguish we just read the Daily Mail showbiz together shall worry

okay David Beckham and Son Romeo surprised fat and they stop off for £5.50 pie and mashed lunch at Essex at their Italian Essex that's because they've written about men right okay right so remember how they wrote about the men there.

Yeah. So David Beckham spends £5.50 on a pie. Kim Kardashian puts on an animated display as she shows off her moves in a white latex dress as she arrives at star-studded gala. How Amon Holmes met his new girlfriend, who has a very intriguing personal life. Does she now?

Okay, Liam Gallagher appears to confirm Oasis will tour with America. Okay, in America, fine. And then Suki Waterhouse models a tiny chrome bikini and wields a sword as she shares hilarious behind the scenes footage from her upcoming music video. You know why they've used the word hilarious? So that people run to the comments and say,

that's not hilarious. Yeah, yeah, that's so true. It's just baiting. It's so baiting. All of it. Lila Maher stuns in a gold midi dress while Charlie XX commands attention in a leopard print coat

as they pose for H&M's autumn winter 2024 campaign. That's an example of what we were just talking about. H&M have sold that as a press release. The comments will be, stop showing off your body stop, we don't care there's more important things going on in the world we'll go and take it up with H&M

and their PR team and then take it up with the Daily Mail and the people who've picked up the press release have made it into a story this one, so let's go dating star Lauren Goodman says she's not desperate for love amid Kyle Walker affair drama as she insists that she's only had

four partners. Why do we care how many partners she's at? Because we, are you kidding? When a woman's entire word is linked to her virtual spirituality? Helen Flanagan looks incredible in a busty corset dress.

This is what I was saying. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey slammed for trash behavior at US Open Final After Vimal Moment, Pure Cringe. Can we pivot? Yes. So there is a photo of Taylor Swift and Brittany Mahomes. Oh, you're going to say about the politics. Say it, Mahomas, Mahomes?

I don't know. There's a photo of them hugging and kissing at a concert. and people are in two minds about it, right? Because Donald Trump thanked Brittany for her public support for him. So she's a Trump fan. I think she's very right-wing, conservative. And obviously, Taylor Swift.

She spoke about politics initially, didn't she? She backed Hillary Clinton. She backed Hillary Clinton and she spoke about it in her documentary. So there's a photo of them hugging and kissing and the internet is divided about whether people can disagree on politics and like fundamental human rights and still be friends.

Okay. I want to answer that question, but before I do, the fact that this has become the story that it has is everything wrong with the media and how we treat women. Because the fact that we are now criticizing Taylor for being friends with a Republican

is absolutely fucking wild. Like so many of the American population vote Republican as so many of the British population vote Tory. So we have to remember that when we criticize women for affiliating themselves with right-wing politics, they're all right-wing people all over the place. Why else are they in government? Why else have they been in government?

Why else are they ever elected? So like to pretend that it's like these are there, these rare beasts, like Republicans are these just like, oh, like, oh, no, don't associate with those. You're all fucking associating with them. Like, they're everywhere because they're people because that's how the democracy works. So that annoys me for a start

because it's like you're behaving like she's hanging out with some like leper. like no she's hanging out with okay great it's not not great political views but like she's not hanging out with like a convicted paedophile or doing songs with someone who i don't know has like a series of sexual assault claims against them and i don't know she's not number one in the charts despite having beaten up their girlfriend like chris brown is like the way that we allow men to do terrible things vote for whoever the fuck they want because we never asked because we don't care but we don't even let women be seen hugging look she didn't post for that photo

she didn't put it on our Instagram. She was papped hugging a person. Yeah. And everybody's like, but that person's a Republican therefore Taylor Swift is a baddie. And it's like, guys, you are stretching so far, something's going to snap.

This is unbelievable. So yes, I would like to talk about the politics element. But that bit, I agree. That bit is so annoying to me. I agree with you. And I was surprised to see that it was someone that I follow.

I think we both follow him. It was normally really like. On it. On it. And, you know. Fair. fair and always like sways towards like

giving the like women grace and I'm surprised by it because his view was firmly like you can be friends with someone who disagrees you about whether you're like pineapple on pizza but you can't be friends with someone if you disagree about like politics and human rights

ideal world yes like I do not want to surround myself with people whose politics I disagree with no I'm very proud of the fact that as far as I know my friends my circle didn't vote reform they're not they're not spouting things that I'm embarrassed about on Facebook you know they're all like aligned with me they share similar views and we vote

in a similar way and have similar passions and whatever it is but it's not really realistic to say that you've got to go through the world like use me as an example of like the standards that I am held to for how certain members of my family speak so what the fuck do you want me to do about it like how genuinely what do you want me to do because in normal life everybody is dealing with people that have different views to them and yes ideally you wouldn't and ideally you'd be surrounded by people who thought like you thunk but that's not how the world works yeah you can then get into like are they a good person are they a decent person do I want them around my children do I want them influencing my life but not every friend is your best friend and not every person

that you know is in your life permanently. So it's a bit more complicated than that because like, yeah, some people are going to disagree. And also a lot of people listening to this, I'm sure have family members, for example, that they love to bits, whose politics they fucking uphold. Oh, of course, of course.

It'll be like, I guarantee it will be like the majority of people. Yeah. But then I am confused about this because it's like, she didn't post a photo of this woman on Instagram. No. It wasn't like, I love her, let's promote her, go follow her. She hugged her. She hugged her.

And she might be hugging her thinking, oh, God, I hate this woman. I hate, I always bump into her out and about. And she wasn't out and about in a professional capacity. She was just out and about, yeah, going about her personal business. So it's like, it's not something, it's not like she's at her concert and she's inviting her. Yeah, it's just different. And I'm, I was actually really surprised to see this. And the comment section, as you can imagine, is an absolute pile on.

I've said it a million times over. Taylor Swift is the epitome of performative activism. She's not a real feminine. When it benefits her career and that's how she's always been. Yeah. And then people are saying she now has to commit to a political party. She's got to commit to like basically being political. And it's like, and there is an argument for using your platform well.

And for particularly in America, I do feel as a woman with a platform, I do think that good people have a responsibility to fight for those less fortunate than themselves. And a very clear place to my mind to start would be Rover. versus Wade and giving women the right to their bodily autonomy again. But you have to allow the nuance that not every single action within a person's life is going to be the very best course that they could have taken. Because nobody owes anybody that and nobody is capable of that. It's really frustrating that we are holding her.

This is not a thing to be angry with her about. Hugging a Republican is not a thing to be angry with her about. You can be frustrated and you can want her to use her platform in different ways canceling her for this it just does women such a disservice

it just does womanhood a disservice it's just it's like this is why the toxic cycle of like female celebrity is just not going to break if we keep doing this this is actually depressing me it's so depressing

and it's all people like well it shows you with the people at the top top of the comments the people with the blue tics and they're being so super scathing as well. Taylor Swift has consistently dated people who have been racist and homophobic. She's consistently chosen to be with and build a future of people who are clearly bigots gunning for vulnerable people. Taylor Swift will say and do whatever makes her money in any

particular time. Billionaires are not for the people. They're for the profit. Taylor Swift is so damn boring and basic. Nothing she's ever involved in is good. Taylor Swift isn't claiming to be anything though. Taylor Swift doesn't wake up every morning and say, hi guys, I'm one of you. I'm one of the people. She is super duper wealthy, super duper successful. Yeah. She is a very hardworking woman who is taking advantage of capitalism and all the privileges afforded to her within that. Yeah. As everybody fucking does. But she hasn't ever claimed to be a Robin Hood or a martyr or a vigilante. She's never said, hi, I'm the pinnacle of all that's good. Hold me to this standard because this is who I proclaim to be. She's never said that. We hold her to a standard.

and then beat her with a fucking stick when she doesn't meet it. And it's so annoying. I don't know. It's like a cycle with her all the time. It's like, she's up. We love it. And then it's just like, Anne, let's tear her down for a completely unthinkable reason.

Because I do think it's fair that people, and particularly her fans, would want to call for her to do, you know, good things with her platform and use her platform for good. I think that's fair. I really do. Yeah. But she does do a lot of good.

Every town she visited on her tour, Every city she visited, she donated hundreds of thousands to food banks. Yeah. And that wasn't a PR thing. She wasn't ringing the papers and saying, hey, everyone, I'm donating $50,000 every single day to food banks. She just did it quietly. And we found out that that should have been the story.

You bet that Oasis will be able to do their tour without, you know, without having to do anything and not be pulled up for it, you know? A thing. Like the criticism she got for the price of her tickets. I mean, I know they actually copped a lot of shit for their dynamic pricing and stuff. No, they didn't, though. I think ticket muster did. They did cap a bit, yeah, because they were supposed to be like men of the people.

Right. And that was, it was like a greedy option. But again, how much do people owe us? Like, how much do people owe us? Do they owe us relatability, affordability, perfect politics, like all the time? No. No. Because it's impossible, but it's just, I don't know, we're just creating a standard.

Multiple standards. The Gallagas. But also, like, I remember a headline in the Sun. Bear with. Hang on. Shocking footage shows Liam Gallagher grabbing. This was in 2018. Shocking footage shows Liam Gallagher grabbing girlfriend, Debbie, by the throat after they denied a bust-up at a London club. But Taylor Swift hugged a Republican. Bits. So I think we know really here. Who the villain is. Who the villain is. I don't think we should get it twisted. Oh my God, it makes me rage.

Oh, I didn't mean to cause us a ragey episode. But you know what? You'd imagine a story like that would be everywhere. I've typed that into Google. Liam Gallagher, CCTV footage, hotel, right? Yeah. The sun is the top one. And then after that, TikTok link, TikTok link.

And then after that, there's a Facebook link to his song Better Days. Then after that, there's a Reddit thread about it. Then after that, one. News.com, Australia, and then the Sunday Mirror. And that's the page. That's the whole front page. Whereas if I type in Taylor Swift Republican today. Sorry, Taylor Swift, friendships that cross political lines never work.

Taylor Swift and Brittanyma Holmes embrace each other. Politics be damned. She could be, she could absolutely change my mind. Readers on Taylor Swift's political. agent billboard have done Taylor Swift political evolution timeline it's huge the Washington Post they're all reporting on it because she hugged a Republican in on her off time in her own time if she grabbed her by the throat they would care less it is so infuriating anyway we're supposed to do it is it just me about sex but that'll have to wait until

I know it's going to have to wait until next week okay we won't forget I'm absolutely be furious. Happy and we're raging. And we're going into an interview. Yes, we are. So I've got to chill the fuck out. Okay, dokey. Thanks for listening, guys.

We'll see you on Monday. Love you loads. See you Monday. Bye. Thank you so much for listening. Should I delete that? It's part of the ACAS creator network.