Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: Consent, wokeness and Russell Brand

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

This week's Is It Just Me is a little different... Due to popular demand, Em and Al take a deep dive into the reaction to the recent accusations surrounding Russell Brand. This episode contains discussions of sexual assault.Follow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Just a heads up for the content in this episode. We are going to be discussing sexual assault. Okay, that was nice recording of my doctor's appointment. Hello, welcome back to everyone just hear my call with the doctor. Welcome to Is it just me, the whole, The Doctor rang. If you follow me on Instagram, you might know I've got very low iron. You might not care. Anyway, the doctor wrong.

I had a call for the doctor. the whole thing was being recorded so go like that pull your eyelids down oh okay are they white or pink they're they're red well thank you i've been crying though so could be that yeah could be that that's that skewed the results somewhat uh how are you i'm good i'm good hopefully my mind's better than yours we pray yeah um we were gonna do a serious is it just me today yeah um and we're a little bit late on it because the news has kind of been out for a little while yeah but we're not really going to talk about the news we're going to talk about the reaction to the news like i i think we talked about it in the beginning of gb a about like the conversation surrounding russell brand and then i got

a question for my in my um metro agony aunt thing saying um i don't know what to do my boyfriend completely believes russell brand and he's fallen like straight into this like cycle of like it's the matrix and big mainstream media and they're out to destroy him and like and she was saying what I do? So I figured rather than talking about Russell Brand and risking libel, because obviously it's all just claims at this point, we could maybe answer her question and explore like the conversation on social media around this whole thing. Because it's been fascinating. That's really hard. Yeah. Like I would be gutted. Oh, I don't want to say that because I don't want to be mean. Like, because, you know, I would be gutted if that's what Dave's opinion was. Yeah. It would be

disappointing. It would be so disappointing. Yeah, I thought the same thing. But there are a lot of people that believe him. I mean, Millions, I was really fucking shocked. I actually sent you a screen grab. When that video went out, just he, Russell Graham put out a video. Basically, in case you've missed all of this, on Saturday night, and I have been fascinated by this whole thing.

And I've got loads of resources. For anybody, before we had this conversation, if you want to catch up on what's going on, you need to listen to the, well, you need to go and watch the channel. Four Dispatches show. Then The Times did two amazing podcasts on it called Stories of Our Times. And then the news agents podcast did an interview with Gordon Smart, which I want to talk about in a minute, which was so good. But if you missed all of this, basically on Saturday night, like last Saturday, like coming

on two weeks ago, dispatchers, Channel 4 dispatchers with the Times and the Sunday Times released a documentary exposing or, yeah, exposing Russell Brand. as, well, he basically these four, there were four cases brought forward in this documentary of women who had been sexually assaulted and raped by Russell Brand. And it was extraordinary documentary and it was called in plain sight and I was watching it like, oh my God, as if that was his fucking comedy. And we were just like, cool, yeah, literally. That's just his comedy. Yeah, yeah. Joking about sexual assault all the time.

It was his bit. It was his thing. Yeah. It was really shocking watching those. opening bit wasn't it with the choking oh my god i just can't get my face i've written i've i've read the details of what they've said but i feel like when it's on paper it hurts less to read but like i just don't think i can watch it yeah i don't know i'm building myself up because i do think it's important to watch i mean it was shocking the first bit of the documentary was him saying it was a it was a comedy

sketch and it's him saying you want the kind of blow jobs where she chokes on where she gags and he's like you can't ask for it but that's what you want and then one of the victim statements was from a 16 year old she was 16 at the time saying that that's what he did to her and it's like when you're hearing her story versus his bit his comedy yeah it's like oh my fucking god but like how that man had the audacity to try and get ahead of the like i think this is okay it's not what shocks me obviously it's horrendously shocking that he is a rapist and he raped women that he's been accused

that he's accused we have to say he like allegedly denies it but the fact that he did the video the night before and pinned it all on the media because he calls them out and he's like

but this is what was amazing everyone said like if you knew that you'd done something really bad in your past if you knew that you had a sordid filthy path that the media was one day going to expose

wouldn't the best possible thing be for you to build up a cult-like following spend a really long time indoctrinating them to believe that it's all a conspiracy so that one day when the claims inevitably come you've already got your cult to completely back you and it makes sense now because this whole brand is built on like inducing suspicion

and trying to make people aware of the nasty media And put himself as some big, like Robin Hood, like, oh, they're going to come and get me. They're going to get me because I'm the truth speaker. One day they'll destroy me. And it's like, no, we're going, we'll come and get you for what you did. Because you've, yeah, exactly. Yeah, because you've done something wrong. That's why they'll come.

But I have been like. It's worked. It's worked. People we know, like and respect have been liking his videos. I'm like, oh my God. And I'm also like, guys, do you know we can see that? Like, I know. I know.

I know. I was, do you know what? someone actually messaged me a follower to say you do know you're following him, don't you? I know, I got a DM being like, Alex follows him and I went, if that's my fucking husband. I was like, I didn't even know that I followed him. And then as soon as she said that, I unfollowed him,

I didn't even, I didn't even know. But that annoys me, can I just say? I know, I know, because it's just like, it's not your response. Because then I saw, like, Nadine Doris did an article, and it was like, what kind of a wife stays with a man who's been convicted, been charged, accused of rape? And it's like, don't make this her fucking fault.

What's what to do with her? Yeah, it does annoy me that it's always like, well, just find the women. And now everyone's trying to find like Katie Perry's and they're going through all of his exes and they're all trying to find what the women have to, like what the women in his life, like how we can pin it on them.

And it's like the buck stops. I mean, actually, the box stops at lots of places because the one of the most shocking parts of that documentary was that that girl, 16 year old girl, was picked up from school in a BBC car. You're joking. Nope. When he was working for the BBC.

He was 31, right? Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. From school. From school. Oh, man. Actually, can I ask your opinion?

Do you think the age of consent is too young in this country? Okay, I'm kind of scared to say my actual opinion of this, but I feel like, okay, if it's 16 and you're also with a 16 year old, then I guess so. Like 16 is okay, and if you're 17, then you're with a 17. Yeah. I don't know. I just think as soon as the other person's older than you, I think if you're not at a similar age, then it's not consensual. On that level, on that logic, because actually people have sex under 16 all the time with other 16 year olds. You're not going to go to prison for having sex at 17 with another 17 year old.

Yeah. If they raised the age of consent to 18, it just means that anybody having suspicious sex with somebody under 18, then there's eyebrows. Because no one is going to actually police an 18 year old having sex with another 18 or 17. not having sex for another 17 year old so if you aid yeah because 16

yeah good point you're a child in the eyes of the law you can't vote you can't buy a fucking sex toy but you can have a relationship with a 31 year old man

it's double eight it's double their age you are so young at 16 I try and put it into context of my own life I don't know why just to horrify myself even more I guess

but like that's like Alex with a my aunt you're Alex with a 15 year old yeah fuck like that is Yeah, this actually came up in my metro column the other day as well

and it was a girl saying I really like this. She was 17 and she said, I really like this guy in his 30s. And I replied that he's 30 or whatever. And I said, if my husband came home with a friend who was 16, I'd be like, what? You've got nothing in common. You have nothing in common. You can't, this is too weird.

Like for a 30-year-old man and a 16-year-old girl to even, in my opinion, have a friendship. I think it's weird. to have a relationship it's just like and it's unthinkable but it's legal so yeah

I mean like that alone and it's really interesting because I've always accepted the age of consent and I'm like actually fucking why like why do we want why are we fighting so hard to let people have sex with 16 year olds

because you're right we wouldn't police 16 year olds having sex with 16 year olds or 15 year olds with 15 year olds because as long as they're both consenting then then but you're right we were just police people like Russell Brand

at 31 years old having sex with a 16 year old if you're still at school and I know legally you don't need to be at school at 16 but like you can't drive you can't vote

you can't join the army like you can't drink you can't drink so what are they going to go on a date and he's going to have to order her a phanta because she can't drink legally but he's going to go home and treat her like an adult

and then actually you know she's now come forward aged herself in her 30s I think, or late 20s to say what happened. And then you get the fucking world being like, you're lying. Don't believe you.

Not R Ussel. No. Not that guy that jokes about... There's been no signs. Yeah, exactly. The squeaky clean guy. Yeah, exactly. The one that joked about how funny it was,

how much he loved the blowdrop. Like, exactly what she's accusing him of. He's been on stage admitting to. Yeah. And we're still going, Liar. Like, how much do we hate women? I know.

Girls? Like, we hate... Yeah. But there's like so much, much vitriol directed towards these women. They're lying for faith. All anonymous. All unpaid.

The Times, so the Times, as part of the Times, so the stories of our Times podcast, they did the first one, which for people who haven't watched the documentary kind of surmises the whole thing. So it might be a better option for you if you don't want to watch it.

And the second episode is like, what happened next? And they kind of explored the rhetoric. around and it was kind of in the immediate aftermath but the guy who sort of ran this investigation from the one of the because it was a collaborative effort which is very unusual and actually I think that's really relevant to say how much has gone into this the fact that the times and the Sunday times who are not the same paper have come together to do it and with Channel 4 anyway one of the journalists was basically saying these women have had no money nor have they

asked for anything yeah so people keep saying fame lying for money, lying for fame, these anonymous women who are literally risking everything to do this because Russell Brown will know full well who they are and I don't doubt that he's not a dangerous person to cross like with his cult like following. It's so gross. It's so gross. And then the other thing that a lot of people are saying, which actually someone in my life is someone that I know said which was horrifying is if it was real they would have gone to the police. I know. see bra few things on that

yeah because I was going to answer this in the metro so I had to really fact check myself less than fewer sorry my mum would deny me get in love for grammar fewer than one percent of rape cases sorry fewer than what yeah one percent of rape cases ending conviction

yeah and those are just the ones that you are allowed a case it takes so much to go to the police because they have to have so much evidence they have to have and actually one of the women in this documentary had full evidence because she went to rape crisis centre the next day. They did the full test.

They've also got texts from Russell Brand apologising and she said no means no and he said, I'm sorry. It doesn't get more incriminating than that in my opinion. But anyway, so much evidence has to be collected and it's so hard, so hard. And then you've got the general rhetoric surrounding women and about false accusations even though can I just say that a man is more likely to be raped himself, 250 times more likely to be raped himself than he has to be falsely accused of it. And 0.65% of rape claims in the UK are false.

0.65. And people are really suggesting that these four women, and there were many more than four, by the way, but they only used four in the documentary because a lot of other women weren't comfortable pursuing it the whole way. Fairfax. Why would you be? Look at how we treat them.

The statistics all show that women very, very rarely lie about this. but they also very rarely go to the police because the police systematically do not have the resources to support them. And it's like it's not that individual people, although we do see that there are a lot of bad apples. It's not that there aren't amazing police officers who want to do right by these women. It's that the infrastructure isn't there to support them.

We don't have it. And that it's a difficult thing to prove in a court justice. Yeah, and you've also got jurors who are all commenting on Russell Brand's video going, we love you, Ross. Exactly. Like, imagine that's your juror. Oh, how disappointed you.

And you probably get 12 of them. And they've all read the Daily Mail and they've just been slowly drip-fed this poison against women and they just don't realise how much they hate women until it comes to a rape case. I think that's when you realise

how misogynistic the society is. And I think as well probably you'd, I mean these women, a lot of them were I presume a lot of them were really young. Well, I don't know one of them were 16. Yeah.

You probably, you're not fully, you don't quite understand at that age either. when you're with this guy who is so, because he was really famous at the time, so famous. So famous. So much money, so much power, so much celebrity. Yeah. It probably doesn't even occur to you and you're young and you don't quite, you know, you know that something's wrong. You can't necessarily put your finger on it.

And what are you going to do, go to the police and be like, ah, you know, it's difficult. It's hard. Particularly because a lot of these women were in relationships with him. That's the thing. That's the thing. And people don't, people struggle to believe that as well. Like, how can someone rape you if you're in a relationship? relationship with them. And how can you say yes if you say, how can you say no now if you said yes

before? Right. Right. The issue of consent is so like again, sorry, it's come from the came up in the metro thing again as well recently with a girl's saying that someone had had sex with her after removing the condom and it's like that is called stealthing and it's sexual assault deemed rape in the UK. Like, but it's so hard to police it and to prove it. And I can't, Like, it's so, I sat on the train last night. I went out last night, which since I've had a baby, I feel so fucking vulnerable. I don't know if it's because I'm slower at running.

I don't know if it's because it's had less exposure. But I was on the train last night coming home. And a guy got on the carriage with me, I'm sure it was perfectly nice, but I fucking shat myself. I was so scared. And you can't explain that feeling to anybody that doesn't know that feeling. But what's so disheartening is that I know that all women know that feeling.

And these are still the ones commenting on his video, being like love you Ross not even just commenting I've seen a few people women making videos themselves of the papers and being like

absolute trash toxic media trash and women and exes of heads have come forward and said well it was always consensual with me

and it's like great fucking good for you it's like going to a fucking restaurant where someone's had food poison it'd be like well I had the prawns and I was fine

it's like well good for you that means nothing that means nothing oh I didn't trip over I didn't trip over that paving stone said 15 million people but the one person still in pain it's so stupid

but it's so insulting all that is is good news because it didn't happen to them too like that's all it is it's not proof it's not evidence of anything it's just like good for you that it didn't happen to you

lucky for you but like can't you have any compassion for anybody else it's so mad like the whole but then this poor girl who's like boyfriend's been sucked

into like believing it And it's like, it's so, I just feel as a woman, and I suspect this is how she feels, that it's like, it just entirely invalidates our entire existence. It's so insulting that people are blindly supporting this man. And I get, to an extent, innocent until proven guilty. But by that logic, all rapists will walk free. I know.

Because 1% are. are convicted. So we can't apply that to a systematic problem. We have to believe women. Me too taught us we have to believe women. And we've got this guy on tape talking to Jimmy Saville. Oh my God, I know. It's like...

And we're still like, innocent until proven guilty. Such a good guy. Such a good guy. This is the problem though, isn't it? Is that we do have this ethos. It's not even an ethos. Like we believe in as a collective. innocent until proven guilty

which makes this hard to, harder to argue with people who don't believe Russell Brand for example or don't believe women because they say, well it's innocent until proven guilty and it's like it's hard it just makes it difficult but we know

how important it is to believe women. It's just really hard. It's hard because obviously you do want to say innocent until proven guilty and you don't want trial by media and you don't want to support council culture in this way but I think if you actually look at the facts and look at what these women are providing

by way of evidence, but also you have to look at the extraordinary lengths that the media, these publications that these establishments have gone to to protect their stars and I think like you have to set your innocent until proven guilty against the backdrop of a culture

that protects predators and has done time and time again and it's like you look at the BBC for example, the BBC actually did fire Russell Brand in 2008 and Jonathan Ross for their prank phone calls. But the fact that they had a BBC car go and pick him up from school,

the fact that it was a known and an open secret, you know, like Catherine Ryan, and she has not officially said that this is who she was talking about, but Catherine Ryan publicly said that it was a known thing that there was a predator working on the circuit, on the comedy circuit. Daniel Sloss

came out and said and did that bit, he was publicly anti-Russell brand. People knew. But yeah, with the innocent until proven guilty thing, against this backdrop, you just can't say that. Like, you look how protected he's been. And it's so depressing to see the lengths that these big companies will go to to protect celebrity.

I was listening to a thing about Jeffrey Epstein this morning, also on the stories of our Times podcast. And like, the late. of protection that that guy had. Really? Oh my God. Like, so the Attorney General of the British Virgin Islands, this is

like they interviewed her this week, the ex Attorney General, the British Virgin Islands, which is where his island was, Jeffrey Epstein's you know, and like, obviously he killed himself before justice could prevail. But then now, she is now following the money and trying, she was trying the Attorney

General to catch these other people, because obviously he wasn't doing this alone, right? And one of the main guys was at J.P. Morgan in America and he then went to go and work at Barclays. And she pursued that. And she pursued another guy. And she was fired by the government of the British Virgin Islands because it turns out they had ties with like J.P. Morgan or whatever it was. And J.P. Morgan would like, no, you'd stop this. So that guy is just walking free. Meanwhile, like, she's lost her job because the government, like, it's so corrupt. And Russell Brown knows that.

Anyone, anyone who looks around can see how corrupt this is. And it's so easy to manipulate that, to be in your favour if you're the right sort of person, like a powerful dude, basically, because you can just be 100% sure that no one's going to believe the women. And that many, many people, if you've got enough money, there will be so much protection afforded to you. And proof is in the pudding. Proof is in the pudding. Yeah. Proof is in the pudding.

These men that had Jeffrey Aved seen had, had. Buying and selling women and using them and abusing them. Can we come back to his video? Yeah. Because I'm really fascinated by that. Like from every standpoint, like a legal standpoint, surely he'd have been advised not to do that. A PR standpoint, surely not.

Or do you think the video has contributed to so many people believing him? No, a lot of the... It's contributed to... I think it's contributed solely to people believing him. Do you? This is what the journalists were saying, the Times journalist was saying in the podcast episodes is that he beat the story.

So when you're writing a, if you do an investigative journalism piece, before you publish it, you have to, by law in the UK, the system in America, but you have to let the person that you've known, that you're exposing,

no. So the Times lawyers and Channel 4 lawyers gave him 10 days, nine days to comment. At the end, 11th hour he put out that video and as such he beat their story he broke it and he got to control the narrative by saying and before people even knew what those accusations were all the comments like we believe you and it's like you don't even fucking know you the documentary is not even

out yet they were saying that as well because it came up on my TikTok that night that night and I was like what is going on because I hadn't heard about the dispatches documentary and he's just saying this basis lies and his his comment section was full of We believe you, Ross. We believe you, we believe you. And it's like, you don't even know yet. You haven't even seen the evidence. So that's not, you don't even want to prove him guilty.

That's just blind faith. Because of what? Because he's got Elon Musk in his corner and he's got Andrew Tate in his corner. There was a fantastic post from, um, I never know how to say his name, Matt Vicks or Matt. Oh my God, I love Matt Vicks. Matt, X-I-V. Matt Bernstein, Bernstein, you've got the color eventually. His handle is Matt XIV, and he's done an amazing post.

Oh, you've liked it too. LGBT people exist, conservatives, groomers. Russell Brand, credibly accused of grooming a 17-year-old conservative, say. Ben Shapiro defends Russell Brand, says he's being targeted for his political views. Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, Tucker Carson, support Russell Brand after sex claims. and literally like Elon Musk has tweeted I support Russell Brand that man is not evil

what what a character what a vote of confidence Ben Shapiro no he's fine brilliant thanks Ben welcome to the club Rusty Rockets from Andrew Tate gorgeous

welcome to the that's the club that we're supporting Liz Wheeler if they successfully cancelled Russell Brand they'll come for you next this is a breakdown of their playbook this is what men keep this is what I keep seeing is it's just like if they come for him they'll come for you and I'm like if by you you mean sexual predator then yes

hold on tight because we're coming you being concerned about that says a lot I always think this when men are like oh they're coming for me and I'm like what have you done because it's like and I get it to an extent because when I'm driving in a police car and when I'm not driving in a police car when I'm driving in a police car when I'm driving in my car and a police car comes up behind me I have a moment of like oh god they're coming for me but it's only ever because I know I've been breaking the law it's only ever because I'm like oh god was I going 22 in the 20 very different crimes I just want to say I'm in a different league guys I'm in a different league but you still get that

guilty conscience yeah because that's what it is yeah so when they say they're coming for you next it's like mm-hmm mm-hmm and what did you do exactly what skeletons are you hiding a little sweaty over there are you yeah it's like yeah I mean you've got to be well actually I saw Bev Turner the GMB and I was really impressed the GMB presenter and she tweeted before the dispatcher's documentary came out basically saying stay strong russell they are coming for you but we believe you we love you right like something along those lines okay like you're welcome on my show any time and actually her co-host was like it's my show too and no he's not and what are you doing it was a man i don't know who his co-hosts i should have researched it but it was so depressing it's so depressing

Did she have an argument live on air with her co-host? My mum told me about that. She told me to go and watch it because it was like good to see her being like taken down like that. Yeah, because she's really like very, very for Russell Brand, isn't she? Yeah, no, totally. And that was nice to see it that way around for a change where the male presenter was like, absolutely not. Absolutely not. What are you thinking?

what it's crazy it's like but I feel like you know Laura Bates's new book well not new anymore but we interviewed her when it came out the men who hate women book and it's like we're surely not there we're surely not men don't really hate women and it's like guys you're starting to really scare me now because I am starting to feel like you do like how can you I mean I obviously not all men obviously not all men every man in my life for the record is on the same page with this that this is there was no doubt there's no doubt there's no doubt this you believe these women with their evidence and you believe the incredible journalism that got them here it took four years to build this case four years they've been working on this and i don't think people realize

how the media work because you've got andrew taiton because you've got russell brand and you've got all of these like rebels being like and i get you know obviously i'm the first to call out like there's so much so much so many problems within the media it is so problematic in so many ways not least of all how it speaks about women but in order to do a story like this there are so many laws that you have to stick to

that you can't just throw basis accusations like you can't do it they would never the Times and Channel 4 like the Daily Mail maybe like the Express maybe but actually I tell you what the male could do it because they were the male wouldn't mind printing a rumor because they know they can afford to get sued

But there is no way that organisations like this would ever run stories like this, particularly not Channel 4, by the way, who've employed Russell Brown for a long time. There is no way they would do this if they were not 100% sure that what they were printing was true. They can't print rumours.

And it's like, I can't believe that the general public can listen to these right-wing people talk about an agenda and really not see what the agenda is. It is not the left-wing media agenda. Do you think they actually believe? that? I really do. Or do you think they just...

I think a lot of people are, you know, of the opinion that there's too much wokeness like that men are being cancelled for things that were just normal back in the day. You know, it was normal to slap bums and it was, you know...

Yeah. So do you think they actually truly believe that that like conspiracy theory shit? Yeah. Yeah. I do I really believe that men at the moment I keep saying not all men I'm good at fucking tattooed

I really believe that there are a breed of men out there older men and women who and it's the women who would argue that catcalling is a compliment and that

they don't mean it they don't mean it you know they just it's just what they do it's how they show you that they like you know it's the boys will be boys school of thought

and there is a lot of that and like maybe there are times and you think workness has gone nuts. But then you just think, but it fucking needs to. Because look at this, look at the state of this. Like, I would rather live in a woke world than a world where women aren't safe in the workplace

because they might get raped by their boss. And no one's going to say anything because it's their boss. Like, anyway, anyway, if I had to choose. But, yeah, I really do believe that people are genuinely scared. And I think it's maybe scared of change. And I think there's also, I think, it's the guilty conscience thing as well. And I think deep down you kind of know it's not right.

Or maybe they do know it's right. And maybe they just think, they do know it's not right. And they just think, but I like it. It feels to me, and I may be wrong, that like a lot of people care more about fighting wokeness than about the actual issues. Yeah, or believing victims. Yeah.

This has been so politicized. This is not about these women. Like trans issues. Like these people don't actually care. The anti-trans movement, like they don't actually care about trans people. They don't really care at all. No.

But they care about, they're obsessed with the wokeness. Yeah. Yeah. I know people like this that just want to fight. And I sit online all the time. They just want to fight. Yeah.

And it's all the time, like everything's become so politicised and everything is so agendered now that you, that we just completely lack humanity. And it's like, again, the conspiracy idea that these four women have all come together now at a certain time

to bring a case like as if they all knew each other and they've all done this and it's all part of this agenda but why why does it benefit them to bring down Russell Brand if he is? Because a lot of people really have benefited from his work in recent years like you know his stuff about addiction

and the 12 step program and enlightening and whatever but I've enjoyed that that's why I followed him because I enjoyed that stuff. Yeah. The addiction stuff. I found that really interesting.

So it's interesting, therefore, that people haven't got the critical thought to think, why would four women interrupt their whole lives to destroy this guy? No. It's not that, it's not,

it doesn't make sense. That's where the critical thought stops. I can't, I can't understand that. And I find that really difficult to like, I don't I find it like but I find it sad and I think this is a really hard thing when you debate this like with the people who want to fight wokeness it's like this isn't wokeness it's like our basic human right and it's our right to be safe and it's our right to work and it's our right to live and it's our right not to be sexually assaulted and it's really hard not to get upset about that and like I have these conversations with people and and it does feel like to an extent the people that are fighting wokeness are just doing it for fun. So they are, you know, they're just swatting you like a fly and you're the whole fly getting really upset

and it's like stop wagging my whole body and like stop trying to kill me and it's like and that's what it is. It's like stop trying to kill me and then and but they're just like like do do do do do with little flies, little irritants. It's like little snowflakes, quote unquote snowflakes. They just fucking hate anything that they'd consider a snowflake. It's crazy. No matter what the issue, it's just like any issue

that falls under the umbrella of what they deem wokeners is fightable, not a word, is there to fight. It's fair game, yeah. Fair game, yeah. Again, like the back in the day argument with this Russell Brand stuff.

It's 2007. Like, I know. That's the same, just for context, that's the year that Umbrella by Rihanna came out was in number one all year. Really? Like, that wasn't that long ago. Of course it wasn't.

We've all learned the lyrics to that sort of by heart. And one thing that he's done as well, which I think has been clever, that he's put a lot, he's talked so openly about his sex addiction and all of his sexual antics. Yeah. And so he's almost made it.

He's almost kind of, you know, he's almost admitted it without admitting that there was anything non-consensual. Yeah. And so it makes it less shocking that it coming from someone squeaky clean and like it makes it like,

oh okay, well he's admitted to that stuff. Yeah, and people keep using that. But I saw another tweet that was amazing that was like, how can we use a man, promiscuity as a case in his favour and a woman's as a case to completely dismiss her. Oh my God, yes. So we can look at him and be like, but he's a sex addict, guys.

He admitted to her. He's had loads of sex. So, you know, whatever. But if, but when it's a, she's had loads of sex, so we can't believe her. We have to believe him because he's had loads of sex, but we mustn't believe her because she's had loads of sex. What the fuck? What the fuck?

What the fuck? It's, I didn't realise. his book. I haven't read his book. Surprise, surprise, but Gordon Smart, who was the ex-editor of the Scottish son, I actually really wanted to talk to him as I guest on the podcast because he sounds so unaligned from basically everything he did at the particular show, but it's part of that paper. But he was friends with Russell Brand and he has come out with the newsagents done the interview and basically been like, I'm ashamed of my relationship with him. But also this guy fucking sucks. I'm not surprised. Like, completely believing the women. Anyway, he was saying in his

interview that he read Russell Brown's book, bookie-wooky. And in it, and again, this is all Russell like, you know, atoning for his sins or whatever. He's talking about what a bad guy he was. But apparently his dogs weren't allowed upstairs in his house and he would take the dog upstairs

just so he could shout at it and throw it downstairs and tell him not to come upstairs again. Seriously? Fuck him. But that's, he's put that on public record that that's, his style of behaviour. That's in his book.

Imagine if anything, anything, yeah, imagine if any hint of anything other than squeaky clean, perfect, cuddling chicks and like stroking rabbits came out about any of these women. Yeah. Like, that would be enough

to completely tear apart their case. Yeah. You could be a bit hot. She put her guinea pig to sleep when it was four. Well, she's obviously a fucking liar. She's obviously a fucking sociopath. We can't believe a word she said. But he kicked his dog away, just for fun.

Because he just like beating his dog up or whatever shouting at his dog. I don't think he, I don't know, that's defamation, I don't know. He just, he charged, whatever, yeah. But he put in his book. Well, he's in his book, so yeah, so he did. But like, it's mad, it's mad, that you've got all of this stuff. But poor Russell.

But Ross. He lost a six for three. There's naughty women wanting horrible women, wanting fame and money. You know what, Dave made a really good point as well. He said, um, I was talking to him about how, you know, a lot of people are saying that these women just want fame. And he was like, I, some of them might be famous. that's why

at least one of them could actually be famous yeah 100% because they just have no idea you have no idea could be some like it's not even that unlikely someone that's met in the

entertainment industry name me a woman whose career has benefited from sexual from a sexual assault sexual assault team it is career

suicide yeah to ever make a farce about fucking anything as a woman it's so impressive I tell you obviously

who did another amazing episode about this which we should have reference at the beginning but la la la la let me explain did a really good episode about this if you want to go for further listening on this um but it's honestly deranged like listening to i don't know listening to the internet i just i make me so scared for like the future it's like are we serious are we serious well hopefully he will come to justice do you think you will come to justice I'd like to think you will

but I don't know if he will Because it's split between America and the UK Yeah well he's now putting out Like I'm being cancelled And I'm not allowed to make money I've been deplatformed Like have you fun Has he spoken out?

Yeah he's put up another video saying he's been de-platformed Has he? I'm like Basically YouTube stopped monetising his videos But he's still got six and a half million subscribers on YouTube He's on Rumble He's basically put up a big video

Saying that everyone needs to support him on Rumble because the mainstream media is coming for him And I honestly it was his most recent video and I thought all the comments would be no you suck you cancelled we hate you whatever all the comments like to see you on rumble they weren't don't let them get you down Russ like fuck indeed like this is I don't know

this is like Andrew Tate in action this is like like this I don't really know what they mean by the Matrix so what advice do we have for this I genuinely I would I would listen with him I don't know if you've got a car journey planned but listen with him to not necessarily this because I don't think we've been that great but please listen to the news agents podcast with Gordon Smart listen to both episodes of the Times one

just so he understands the journalism that went into it because I think that it made me realise and I know quite a lot about investigative journalism but that made be realised like how many hoops you have to go through and how entirely impossible it would be for these women to be lying based on you know like liability claims

and that sort of thing so I think let him listen to those because they aren't agendered I think you know like don't play him this don't play him la-la's because we quite clearly can't stand the man and think he's guilty whereas these podcasts are journalistic platforms and I think that's really valuable and listen with him yeah listen with him

listen in the car and just let it let sense prevail hopefully but also I think if you can face it like have a conversation with him about how a support of Russell Brand in this instance is literally equivalent to the hurt it just it hurts women like it's a direct correlation between like yeah supporting him and hurting women it's like that's a very unscinct way of saying it no it's well sad not really but you know what i'm trying to say yeah thanks oh this has been an

intense as it just hasn't it i'm all hot thank you all for listening we'll be back on monday with some more fun and thursday will not be like this at all no we'll do a cheery one next Yeah. Embarrassing stories and Al's Rookers and stuff. Thanks guys. Fuck off. Thank you so much for listening. Should I delete that is part of the ACAS creative network.