Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: Do lemons cure anxiety?

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

In this week's IIJM, the girls discuss emergencies abroad, body conscious therapy and buying loo roll...Follow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] & edited by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello. Hello, hello, hello. Hello, hello. Hello, Governor. I'm eating a cookie. I am going to put myself out there and say it's the best cookie I've ever eaten. I think you're just really hungry. Do you think? I don't know. I mean, it's just a huge claim. Like, it's the boldest claim. They're very good cookies.

I don't normally like cookies. Oh. I do. That's a lie. It's such a lie. That is such a lie. You literally like two weeks ago you talk to the podcast about the big cookies that you got, they've got, so good. No, liar, absolutely liar. But something about this. I don't normally like cookies. It's the stupid thing to say.

It's just stunning. It's so good. They're from vegan antics. They're the white chocolate ones that I ordered for me as a present, which is such an unexpected treat today, can I just say. And I bought one in, yeah, I bought them in a few as well. So good. So good.

And we have a little, we have a little guest. A tiny little guest. If you hear any trumps, I'm actually just going to offset the blame immediately. She is, she's gassy. And in the way that gas. She's a little needy today, so she's just hanging out with me. Because sometimes when you get the toots, it's just, you just need a bit of support. Looking at me like, Mommy, who's that woman?

Is she going to watch me while I fart? She scares me. No. I went to, I was at the park with like four of my mates the other day, and my friend who has got two kids, one, the eldest is three, maybe four, I don't know, not very good at ages. and she was going to the train station I had to leave as well so I was like, I'll come with you

and we were walking along to the train station and then her daughter, three-year-old, just tapped her mom and said, Mom, and she pointed at me and said, why is she following us? I was like, brutal. Were you walking alone?

I was walking with them. But she was just like, why is she following us? Kids are so brutal. They scare me. As they should. We've talked about this before, but there is nothing more vulnerable that a human being can do than to put themselves, like, to open themselves up to a child. Absolutely. Because it is a crushing rejection of the purest kind.

Because they don't have an agenda. They don't have, like, they're not prejudice. They're not really projecting their own shit onto you either. It's not like, oh, I'm triggered by youth so I don't like you. Like, you can't rationalise it. You know, if like, if a grown adult doesn't like me, that's okay because I can just be like. like, it's their shit. You know, horses for courses.

I'm juicy as peach. It's fine. But when a child is somebody, it's like, right, well, what is it in my soul that you can see? They've just got no filter and they're saying it exactly how they see it. Yeah. They've just got no social tact. And they've just seen you and thought, wrong. Yeah.

Strange a danger. This chick, get her away. The woman's following us. Mommy, why is she following us? This is not okay. Oh, big yawn. Why do we do that? When we talk to a big yawn, I'm like, oh, it's a big yorn.

I'm like, oh, it's a big yorn. And now when all I does that, I'm like, brilliant. I say it for everything, the better day, blink at me and I'm like, big blink. Big blink. Why do we say it? I know, I do it every time. There's got to be something. There's got to be some psychology behind that.

Like, why do we say that? I really want to know. If anyone knows, can you blink? Let us know. I say everything, everything, literally. You never do it when I do. Anything? Like she wags a tail and go, big wag! No.

Wag at the Christie. Oh, I love a stupid nickname. Wagly beef. I have, and is it just me? Or an I age it. Go again. And I age. Well, I really can't say that. An I-I-G-A-M.

I-I-J-M. Anyway, that was unnecessary. And I've lost it. Hey, Alex and M. Everyone says it differently. I think most people say M and Al. but everyone says differently. I find it interesting. Maybe it's who they prefer.

Possibly. That's going to give you a complex. I was, but you took the word right out of my mouth. Thank God this one opens up with me. Why didn't you think I said it? When I say your podcast brightens my day, I literally mean I have yelled at everyone around me and being filled with rage all day,

but I went for a walk after work with your podcast in my ears and all was resolved, so thank you. I did not think we were the resolution. I thought we might have been the cause. I have yelled at everybody all day. I am furious because you're fucking. Dulcet tones are ruining my life. That's very sweet. Thank you.

Muches grue. I wish I had that effect on me. Can I just say, shut up, can I just say, I went to Spain recently, and I realized that the, like, beginning and end of my Spanish vocab is Pippel. If Pippel hasn't said it in the song, I don't know it. Sorry, where has this come from? I just said, muchas, gracias. Oh, okay. I miss that.

I can count to five, because Pippel can count to five. One, two, three. And the hearing you cast of tres, actually. One dos, three. And that's it. And then Shakira did a bit. And that's all I had for the whole trip. Shame on you.

It's very bad. Very shameful. It's the first time I've ever gone to a country. No, this is a complete lie. But it was very jarring for myself as I landed to realize I spoke no Spanish. I was like, what's goodbye? Yeah. Adios.

It was fun. I can say Bonita. Do you always Google the emergency number of a country when you get there? I have never done that in my life. You've never done that in your life? I've never done that. Okay, so you're in Spain, what's the emergency number? I don't know.

That's unacceptable. Why? That's unacceptable. Well, because what would I do if I had to ring it? Go, Ola! English, please? Yes. I deserve to die. I don't know the number and I don't speak the language.

Just let me go. Like, no, I don't do that. Sorry, for context to listeners, Katia's just come in with coffee. and tempins emergency timpins I like waltzed into a waitrose like really stoncting grab the tampons turn around

grab some rice and then there You got some rice I got some rice You didn't need rice I do need rice You didn't need rice That's like when you don't buy

Lou Roll alone Why not Do you not? I wouldn't just go in And just buy Lou Roll No Would you do that Yeah

Okay we clearly have If I needed Lou Role Because mine is like if like oh my god yeah like just buying loo roll just tells the world i need a shit i've come here with the sole purpose of aiding a shit like you have to buy it like it's an afterthought like you buy other stuff like oh i'm just going to get some like corsets and some cabbages and a couple bunches of grapes some crisps some terriaki sauce oh and whilst i'm here i'll pick up a 24 pack of loo roll i remember in uni going to going to saint's with my housemate and she would

She refused to carry the loo roll in case someone saw her. So I always had to trudge back with the loo roll. Classic. Furious. Mommy, why is this lady following us? 48 rolls of loo roll. It is, in fact, I can't believe you would just buy new roll. Yeah.

But then you've got to Google the foreign, like, yeah, very different anxieties. Mine is a lot more base level, it would appear. I'd say, I'd say mine's more practical. Yeah. I'm not sure. Well, I mean, yeah, you'd be good in a crisis. You do speak Spanish, which helps. You'd be very good in a Spanish crisis.

The thing is, I'm not good in a crisis. Okay, yes, I'm incredibly good in a crisis. Yeah, but then what? But I'm off then. I'm in the opposite direction. Yeah, you can't catch me. I'm good in a crisis. I can see that.

Yeah, me and my Alex are just, we're good crisis people. I can see that. Yeah. I think, I was going to say, eldest child life, but then you'll be eldest child. Yeah, no, no. I remember. I had a personal crisis a few days ago. What?

Well, I'm not ready to talk about it I had a personal crisis the other day and everybody else in my life reacted normally and you were just like, ah, fuck it. I was like, wait, what? Like, and you just, that was disengaged. Fuck it. I thought that would give you,

I thought that would lessen your anxiety. It did not. Because if someone acts to me like, oh, it's not that big a deal, then I feel less anxious. Oh, it's not a big deal. No, I know what I'm being lied to. Okay, sorry.

It's okay. I actually think that's a really, good top tip from me to wherever you're going in the world, Google the emergency number. And mine is pick up from jeriaki sales when you buy your Lurl. So, I haven't... Oh my God. We were halfway through that. Is it just me?

What happened? What actually happened? I said, much as grassiest, and then I went to pit bull, never went to crisis, and then we went to Lerol. And then we went to tampon, via tampons. Very sorry to this girl. Oh my God, this is a mess. Ollie's gone now. She's just taken herself.

This is a... This is a mess. It's just me. I hope Daisy can work some editing magic here, because this has gone on for about 40 minutes. And we've also been eating the whole way through, and we're really sorry. Oh my gosh, I'm going to kill this.

Okay. All is gone now. Da-da-da. I have a question. Not da-da. Very nice things, thank you. I have a question. I've recently started going to therapy,

thanks to you guys talking so openly about your experiences. I've been getting on really well with exploring what I actually hoped to deal with. But while uncovering all of that, I've realized that I have a very emotional relationship with food, and I'm prone to binging, slash comfort eating when I'm sad or mad. My therapist is clearly not an eating disorder therapist and has made comments about herself being lazy

and needing to lose a few pounds despite being very skinny. I can't help but feel uncomfortable bringing up my comfort eating with her due to fear of being exposed to toxic narratives that I've worked so hard to remove from my focus. Thanks to you, Alex, that's very nice. Do you have any advice on this? The therapists are valuable just like all of us and they have their blind spots

And while you might not class this as an eating disorder, it's definitely disordered eating and you need someone well-versed in this and who really understands the subject and can handle it sensitively to help work this out with you. And I think that that is a huge red flag. And the fact that you don't feel comfortable bringing up these things around her means that I think for these particular issues, it will be better to look elsewhere and find someone an eating disorder therapist who's going to be able to help you work these out in what feels like a safe space, like, you know, like sanctuary. Like that's what therapy should feel like where you're not, no fear of judgment, where you can say exactly what you want without fear of those toxic narratives being kind of thrown in your face.

And I actually experienced this when I was told to seek out a dietitian when I was going through eating disorder recovery. and the dietitian, the first dietitian that I started with, she was an intermittent faster and she swore by intermittent fasting and she recommended it to me. And luckily I told my therapist, I asked my therapist for advice and she was like, time to part ways, that's not right for you. You need someone who's going to be on your level and understand it and really do that utmost not to trigger anything in you. So I think, I'm actually feel bad if you like your therapist and you,

You don't want to give her up. But I think for now, if you want to focus on the comfort eating, I think it's best to find someone else who's going to be more on your wavelength. It's not really my area. But if you do really like her, then that is sad. But I think what Al said about your comfort is the most important thing. Because, you know, if you went to her to talk to her about food, and that had been the first thing that you brought up with her,

she probably would have made more of an effort to watch her language around. you she probably wouldn't have said those things you know because because she just know not to and obviously she didn't know not to so the chances are she would be different with you if that's what you if that's what the support you needed from her was but it sounds like the comfort's gone like you've already acknowledged her body type about and how she feels about that and I think like you're not going to be comfortable you know you want to be able to have this conversation with somebody whose body is irrelevant to you whose view of their own body is irrelevant to you so that you couldn't just deal with your own shit. And like that doesn't sound like it's going to come from

her. So, dinner. There you go. In a nutshell, dinner. Yeah, I think that's for the best. Okay, I feel like that was a modicum of seriousness and amongst what is otherwise a shit show of an episode. A shit show of an episode. And I feel like we should just lean the fuck in. You might have noticed Al in front of me, I have two sides of a lemon. Yeah, unfortunately I have. Ding, two sides of a lemon. Okay, so a little while ago, as far as I can recall, and I actually can't recall, I'm pretty sure somebody sent us a DM saying that if you're having an anxiety attack, the best way of offsetting it is to eat half a lemon, or bite into a lemon,

because it will confuse you so much that you no longer feel anxious. And we, at the time, I remember thinking, this is horrifying advice. but I don't know that for sure and there's only one way to find out let's give it a go so I thought the first thing we should do would be try and make ourselves feel incredibly anxious let's work ourselves up

okay I don't know I hate, I am so bad at stuff like this how are we going to bite into it I feel like we need to cut it again I think we can just whipsing thinking about it I think we're just like no no no we're not anxious let's get anxious about eating your lemon

let's talk about how awful it's going to be talking about feeling anxious and making me anxious I can make you feel more anxious Go on. No, no, don't. No, don't. I'm just going to know what you're going to say. I think it's going to be good.

I think it's going to be good. Okay. What was the last time you heard from Dave? Oh my God. She knows what button suppresses. Now I'm like, when did I last year from Dave? Hopefully not for ages. Yeah, no, it's okay.

What about Betty? Have you heard from the dog walker today? You're an absolute bitch. Okay. It sounds like you could. use a lemon. Do you need some help? Are you feeling panicking?

I'm definitely feeling panicking. Okay, well, I know perfect antidote to that. But about you, you're not feeling anxious. I can't breathe. No, I feel like the anxious as watching you be anxious. Okay, great. Make me anxious, quick. No, because I'm not cruel.

I can't. It'll be cruel. You are. You've got it. Come on. Let's go. Say something mean. Tap into something.

I don't mind. I can take it. I've got a lemon. I'll be fine. We might get cancelled tomorrow. We could, yeah. Very easily. Very easily.

We might get cancelled for having the giggles. Yeah, that was a really bad thing. About that, is it just me? I don't want to think about that because that actually is filling me with a bit of dread. It's the same. I don't. Yeah. No, it's okay, fine. Okay, I can't breathe.

I need a second. No, you need 11. You don't need 11. Look at me in the eye. This is going to be horrible. Oh, it hurts. Are you going to bite with your top teeth or bottom teeth? Top teeth?

Yeah, okay. Same. And more. Don't look. Don't lick. Go in. Don't get. But I feel really anxious about eating the land.

One, two, three. It's quite, though. It's quite those. I kept it going for longer than I needed to. I don't feel very anxious anymore. I don't like that. It was all right. Really?

Oh my God, I'm crying. My nose is watering. I quite liked it. Did you? I think I could go back. Oh my God. How are you doing that? It's quite nice.

I'm still recovering. It's a very blinky sort of way. If forced, I could eat this whole thing, I reckon. Tell you what, I actually don't feel anxious. Give me a second, though. We should be therapists. I'm sure we can get it back. Well, you've got the rest of the lemon if you need it.

It's quite nice. I know not. Someone did tell me a DM asking My nose is water Someone sent me a DM asking if I had any tips for handling anxiety And I'm so pleased now that I do Bite into 11 It's helped

It'll fuck up your senses But yeah I think I'm going to have chronic heartburn On the way at home But I liked it Oh that was all right And you know what And I don't feel anxious anymore Did you hear that

Yes we heard that You made me do the lemon But it worked though You've gone back for more too It kind of did work actually Yeah it is it like perversely I definitely don't feel as anxious No I don't

They were saying that is bringing it back actually Thinking about having Have another bite But it's that actually makes sense Because it's like taking over your senses It's completely isn't it I think I'm going to keep a lemon in my back pocket For every eventuality

Imagine seeing a crisis Imagine now you wouldn't need to ring the emergency services You could call, in the time it took them to answer, you take a bite of your lemon, and then fight or flight is eradicated. I'm not trying to find out the emergency number in case I have a panic attack, just FYI. No, I mean, if you see something horrific in front of you, you could bring, and then rather than having to run away, you could just eat half a lemon and deal with it, yeah. Oh, God, you've gone back for more too now. I know. It's a lot. It is a lot. I didn't mind that. I did.

Are you a fighter or a flighter? Why did I ask? What did you just say? Flight. Oh yeah. I think I'm a fighter. Yeah. Maybe that's why we get on.

Do you think? Well, yeah, I like to run. Yeah, I like to run. You just run. You just leave me there alone. Arms swinging. Thanks for that. That was delicious.

I'm definitely going to have heartburn. Yeah, I've got heartburn already. That was immediate. I ate so much red onion last night. It was just loving it at the time. We had like these. open kebabs. It was actually really nice. I had an open cab for dinner last night too. Made the mistake, though, of putting the flat bread in the oven.

It basically toasted it and it was rock solid. That was the problem. Guys, you know what Al told me a minute ago? She cooks peas by putting them in a mug and then just pouring boiling water over them. What's wrong with that, though? Is that not quite genius rather than having to get the pan out? Well, how do you drain the water away? You just use your hand because the water cools down really quickly. so you choose your hand, the edge of your hand. It's the laziest thing I've ever heard in my life. That's like the vegetable equivalent of a pot noodle.

I like that. Yeah. But that's what life's about, isn't it? Hacks. Yeah. It's like a deliciously ale pot noodle. Yeah, getting as efficient as possible. I am doing hello fresh, though, you know, and I...

I'm cooking. I'm cooking. Did they tell you to put me... No. No. I do... I am going to say that I do still find... I do still find...

I think they presume you have like a level of expertise in the kitchen. And there's an element of fair enough. Exactly. And it's a very basic level. The woman's filled in her birthday. She's 33. It's horrible. She's 34.

She should know. She should know. Fair. And if she doesn't, I know. Then she deserves to be hungry. Agreed. Agreed. But I've cooked so I cooked an open kebab last night.

I know the fact that you said the word oven to me. I cooked chips. That's good. In the air? They suggested oven and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have a better alternative. They did look good. I saw them on Instagram.

Didn't I? No, they did. They looked really nice. Yeah, I went out for dinner. Guess what time I ate dinner last night? Seven. Five. Five p.m.

We were out for dinner. I love that. At 5 p.m. We were quite obviously the only people in the restaurant. That's, you have a thing about going to restaurants early, don't you? Do I? At night time, don't you? I feel like you're very, like, can't do a six o'clock dinner.

Oh. Christ, no. Before I had a baby, no, no, no. Like, 7.30, be reasonable. You know, like, I know we're not really European anymore, but we're European. You know, like, we have to do this properly. But now since having a baby, a 5pm, I'm, like, perfectly reasonable time for dinner. See you there. I had the bill by 6. It was stunning. It was stunning. A 6pm dinner for me is perfect. Yeah, I'm definitely getting, getting there. Perfect. But I did wake up this morning fucking raveness. I hate the Mediterranean, like, Spanish, like, let's go out. 10 p.m. dinner? No, absolutely not. Fowl. Absolutely not. I told you my friend's wedding in Madrid, the first dance was at 1am. Yeah, it's late, isn't it? I have a four-month-old baby.

Yeah, that's a lot. And I know that's on me. That's on me. They can't change their wedding. I think they should have done. I think they should have revolved the wedding around you. No, we just, it was just, it was a marathon. I bet.

4 p.m. That's a long day. That's a long day. 1 p.m. I mean, 1 a.m. What's happening to me? What is happening? a lot of people that they didn't say hadn't been to bed.

The last coach was at 5am, I think, so they'd all got into bed about 6. I just don't like, I really don't like that. No, they all felt like rotten, rotten onions. I remember my ex-boyfriend was German, and there in Berlin, they don't go out until 1 a.m. And don't get in until an acceptable morning time, you know, like a 6-7.

When I used to go out, when I was young, and hip, we used to wait at Farringdon Station for the tube to open to get home. We would sit, like, fabric would close at like... Oh my God, I loved fabric. I know. It would close at like, I don't know, five. So you'd just go and wait until the tubes opened at six. We'd just sit on the platform.

Sometimes I would have McDonald's. That I would wait around for. Yeah. Waiting for a tube grim, but McDonald's... Yeah, and then we'd get home at like seven. Actually insane to think how many commuters must have looked for me and been like, sort you're fucking shit out. Yeah, this is disgusting.

You're a disgrace. Yeah. Shame. Shame. Yeah. I know. Mingen. I know. Not anymore.

Not now. 5.30 dinner. Thank you very much. Absolutely. Open kebab and home. Open kebap and home. It was perfect. Yeah.

Oh, is that what you had at the restaurant? Yes. I had a, I had the, I had the, had the, I had the, had the, plant-boast, it was fucking stunning. Oh, it did look nice, actually. Yeah, I know, really good. The mushrooms almost look like meat. I think it was mushrooms

I think it was like one of those fake meat ones Ah nice again It was really good I do like those Yeah like a fake lamb thing Oh yeah God I'm hungry Do the rest of my cookie

No no I'm really full Well I think the lemon said me I think the lemon said me I don't think I'm going to eat again That was one of the most chaotic episodes Possibly ever

We apologise Maybe when Daisy edits it down though It's actually going to run quite smoothly But please know that behind the scenes this was absolute chaos and has taken us about an hour. Well, that lady needs a new therapist. That lady needs a new therapist and always find out the emergency number when you landed in your country.

Thanks so much. And take a lemon for emergencies. Love you. Bye. Bye. Thank you so much for listening. Should I delete that is part of the ACAST creator network.