Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: In another life I'm a political commentator

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

In this week's IIJM, Em and Alex discuss today's election, growing older and whether retinol is worth it...Follow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, and welcome back to, should I delete that? I'm Alex Light. I'm M. Clarkson, and I know you don't want to get a political out, but today is election day. It is election day. Shit. It's a, yeah, shit indeed. Shit. Which is, there's something about it. There's something about the buzz. It excites me. I can't deny it. I can't deny it.

Are you voting in person? I absolutely am. And I love to watch people's democratic right being exercised. I love the polling station. I love the responsibility. I love the little pencil. I know. I actually do too, but we've come to France for a few days. I had to do a postal vote. Did you do a postal vote? I love my mum's done a postal vote. I know. Look at us grown-ups. I know. Arguably more grown up than when I actually go to the polling station, which is, doesn't make sense. But yeah, very exciting. You're right. It's with a level of organising. That's a level of organisation. That's adulting on a few levels because you're voting. I'm iconic. You're posting. Well, yeah, you could never. Simply couldn't. Genuinely, we were supposed to go to the Isle of Man tomorrow Thursday. And I've postponed it to Friday because I didn't want to post or vote. I was like, I need to know. Your phobia on the post. I know. I know. But also I didn't apply. I didn't apply to post, although in time. You have to apply to postal vote and I hadn't done that So I've got to vote in person

But it was so funny I thought my mum would be a bit like oh what And she was like I understand completely darling I was like that's the spirit You live in a democracy You've got to exercise those liberties from time to time You know what I mean You gotta spread those legs

When do we get the results? I can never remember Tonight I mean tonight as we're listening to it So they'll come in We'll know probably by bedtime But it'll be in fully in the morning Because I don't think it's going to be that close I was going to say it's pretty clear cut right

well yeah i mean i guess so in another life i'm a political commentator that's not how that the song goes in another life i'm political commentation i like it though it works thank you yeah uh yeah i guess it is pretty clear cut but not necessarily i don't think it's as clear as what like i think you know it's like it's an inevitability that labor are going to win but i guess it's by like how much they're going to win and I think the risk I think a lot of like people are concerned that everybody thinks Labor's going to win so people are like well what's the point so they're going to be complacent and not bother voting yeah yeah so because they've actually only got I was listening this morning I think they've only got 37% of the vote which is a lot because the next highest is

Tory at 23 but historically like Corbyn even though he lost had 40% of the vote. vote. So it's actually kind of interesting that they're going to win with that. Wow. So it's not, yeah, it's not as clear cut as what people are making it out of you, which is why I think it is quite interesting. Um, yeah, I don't know, it's very interesting. So yeah, I'm, I'm excited. It is, it is exciting. Um, it is. I have been listening to, since we taught, I've been, I've been like, oh my God, because we talked about the podcast that we listen to and you listen to loads of politics podcast, don't you? So I've been trying to listen to one. I have been listening to one called The Rest is Politics. Have you heard it?

Love the rest of politics. Are you kidding? I listen to it every day. Well, not every day, every time it comes out. I've been listening to it this morning. Have you? There you go. A great one out yesterday. With Alastair Campbell and, what's his name? Rory. Rory Stewart. That's it. But, like, I know that this is, this is really bad to admit. Honestly, this is horrible to admit, and I don't like myself for it, but I find it really difficult. Like, it's not, like, I will listen to all my other weird shit on podcasts, like, so, I listen to it so intently. This, I find myself like, I keep drifting off. I'm like, no, come back, concentrate, concentrate. I do just find politics. So I don't know. I just find it really hard.

But I'm trying. I am really trying. Can I actually, like, can we just like talk about this for a set? Because I genuinely, of course you do. Like it's so complicated. Like the first past opposed system, like the voting system in this country is so confusing. I mean, this probably isn't interesting to a lot of people. But on the back of this election, I think there's going to be a lot of conversation about the voting system and first past the post. Because in America, you don't have this. In America, you've got something completely different called proportional representation. I think the, I think the voting system is, it does, it works. It does make sense. But it is so confusing. And I think that's at the very first hurdle what turns a lot of people off. Because

you think like, like, oh, I'll vote for Kirstama. And then you're like, well, you're not actually voting for Kirstama. You've got to vote for your local MP. And then everyone's like, well, they don't know what? How do I find out about my local policies? I don't want to be doorstep. I don't know. I don't care. What about? And it's like that's, I think it just throws people for a loop. So is it more like democratic in the US? In America, it's very different in America because they've got states. I don't, I don't think you could argue one is more democratic, but I'd certainly argue that ours is a little bit more confusing because it's like reform, for example, are going to get loads and loads and loads of votes.

They are, aren't they? And they're not going to win any seats. Yeah, but they'll get one or two seats. So they're not going to like this. They are going to want proportional representation as a voting system because it would mean that they had more power. They had more seats, basically, because yeah, they're going to, Niger Fras, I mean, it's fascinating. I was so depressing. I was flying back from Dublin and there was this guy and he was Irish.

He was like, I can't vote, but he was telling his wife and kids how to vote. And they were like, oh, we just don't know because they were English. Well, they had dual citizenship so they could vote in England. And he was like, so, you know, you know me? I've been Labour since forever. But I think this time it's got to be reform. And he spent the whole flight.

explaining why Nigel Farage was such a good option and I was literally sitting there. I was like, I'm going to bite my tongue off. I'm going to bite my tongue off. It's going to be terrifying, I think, to see how many people vote for them. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, or I guess the only good thing, I mean, one of the good things about our system means that they won't actually, like, obtain much power. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it is wild. This, it feels so contentious.

And, like, the other thing that is interesting about all those podcasts is how much right-wing, like, how, how, I mean, they're kind of. because I don't understand how to cover foreign politics. Like, it's really difficult to do. But, like, all the elections happening all over Europe right now, where the far right are winning. It's terrifying. Like, the far right are, like, winning in France.

Like, that is shocking and alarming. Also, can we talk about America? Well, that fuck. That presidential debate, oh, my God. Like, it was insane. It was awful. How is it those two? It was awful.

So bad. There's, like, false allegations ruin a man. life. I'm like, not really. Not if you're Donald Trump, who's had legitimate allegations, who has a multiple. Legitimate criminal. Like, he's been convicted of crimes. And there he goes. Hey, I'll be, I'll be prime minister. I mean, president. What the fuck? What the fuck? Oh, it's absurd. It's just a, it's a collective bad bunch. Like, we're just, like, pick from a bad bunch. It's like, oh, great. We have one, I want one shiny coin. I do feel a bit sorry for Biden, but also, like, just step down.

I know, and let Kamala stand up. Exactly. Like, Michelle, Obama, where are you? Like, are you free for the next four to eight years? Because we need you. It would be nice if we could go out of, like, the families that we're already, like, it's really interesting that we've, like, we have Bill Clinton, and then a few years later, Hillary's like, hello.

And now everyone wants Michelle. But she would be so good. She would be so good. I know. Oh, God, she'd have my, though. Not that she's allowed it. No. The people's princess.

Oh, I don't know. I'm finding the whole thing. I find it very exciting and very depressing in equal measure. It will be, it will be interesting to see the results, actually. I am interested. But I have seen a lot of like, Nigel Farage quotes go like, quotes that are put into memes and they've gone viral. And people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think what's really interesting is looking at how each party has spent their has spent their social media budget or their marketing budget and the right wing parties Tories have as well and reform have spent so much targeting young people and it's been so effective like every other fucking video on my TikTok is reform based content and I'm like how is this happening like it's so interesting I mean they obviously have researchers behind it to be like this is what people want at the moment like obviously there's got to be something like and that's why Rishi Sunak did his whole women or women thing Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's got to be... So inflammatory. His researchers have got to be like, there's a gap here. People want this kind of... They want this content, this... Oh, it's just...

It's crazy. It's really sad. Because if you look just at TikTok, you'd think that reform were heading for a landslide where... Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they absolutely aren't, like, they won't get that many seats,

but like to look at the TikTok and but I've been really shocked by like all the comments being like, vote reform, vote reform, and it's like, what the fuck? Like, I don't want to... The thing is, I don't want to even, like, get into it because I don't want to, like, shame anyone for how they vote. But the thing that I find, like, genuinely alarming about reform is it's, like, they've got, I've talked to my dad about this. They've got all of these ideas.

And I was like, and where's the fucking money? Like, at the very first hurdle, it's like, oaky-dokey, how? Like, on any of it, how? And it's so annoying that everyone just, like, yeah, with the strop the boots and just, yeah, you'll reform the prisons. And it's like, oaky-dokey, you're going to pay for that. We're going to make all the super security prisons. It's like, okay, okay, because that's it. You know, they get you on like sort of quote unquote normal things,

like not racist things, like common sense things that are like, you know, let's make prisons more high security. And it's like, that's a good idea. If any someone else had had it, there isn't any money. Do you think that, do you think that Gen Z will vote more than they did last time? Actually, it's less. I really do. Hang on, Gen Z aren't 18 anymore, are they?

No, they are. Yeah, they're 18, they're 19, so. I was really interested. I went on Hendoo last weekend for my best friend. And her sister is 20. So, her, it's like, yeah, 11, 12 years younger than her. And she was all over the news. I was like watching her phone chart, BBC News, like Apple News, all this stuff.

Like, we were talking about the election the whole way back. That's amazing. Interesting. Yeah, really cool. Really cool. I think, yeah, I mean, my sister's done to the, I'm guessing she. I mean, I could literally ring her to. more, I'd be like, hey, you're voting? And she'll be like, you're a vision or what? I don't know. I'm not sure.

I love that. That's more my speed too. I think so. I feel like, particularly this election, like people have been so fucked by the Tories. Like, people are angry, man. I just, and I do feel like Gen Z has become really, like, socially conscious and morally conscious. So I do, I do think, I do think that I will see some, like, really good statistics from it. I really do. Well, this is really interesting. I was having this conversation the other day because Labor wants to bring the voting age down to 16.

And obviously, like, there are boomers really freaking out about that because that will inevitably mean that the vote, the electorate becomes more left-wing because young people are more left-wing. Like, to follow a pattern, it's like people get more right-wing as they get older because they basically make more money and want to pay less tax. Like, that's the simple trajectory. And obviously, like, when you're 16, you're like idealistic and you have all these amazing ideas and you're full of kindness and compassion. So you think, hey, I'm going to vote for the good guy.

And there's like a whole load of boomers who are freaking out of that prospect, which is amusing. But I don't know. Like, if you're old enough to have sex at 16, I'm like, if you're old enough to do that, I think you're old enough to vote. I've got no issue with 16-year-olds voting. Also, the boomers fuck does with Brexit. So, sorry. They really do. Yeah.

And if you're allowed to be having sex and you're allowed to be drinking, no, no, scrap that. We do that illegally at 60s. Yeah, as I was definitely drinking at 16. But yeah, that's so true, if you're allowed to be having sex, you should be allowed to vote for sure.

Yeah, you know, you can have sex at 16, but you can only buy a sex toy when you're 18. That's stupid. Yeah, we've talked about that, haven't we? Yeah, you can be fucked at 16. can't fuck yourself and I hate that. You can't, you can't explore. Lord knows. Pleasure.

No, you're not having good sex in 16 with a person. At least give them the option of an orgasm via self-obtained means. That is so wild. Isn't it? That is really crazy. So when Labor win, voting age down, sex toy age down, anything else? They make you retake your driving test on your 70, don't they? Do they?

I think so, yeah. I think Labour should bring a law into place just to make me retake my driving test every year. Just specifically me. Why don't we make our own manifesto? Yeah, Alex has a refresher course every 12 months. Our manifesto would be so incredibly specific. And there'd be so much that was so complicated,

be like, you know what? I don't. Let's know. That's not going to be our forte this season. Back to the election. So tragic. So now I'm going to the Isle of Man on Friday morning And we're getting a super duper early ferry

Which means we have to leave super duper early from London And me and Alex got like giddy excited We were like oh my god if we get up really early We'll get all the election coverage on the way there I was like oh my god I'm such crazy You really love it don't you We're going to stuff the whole way up

I'm like what the fuck is wrong with us It's like we were like comparing notes on episodes He was in the shower this morning He was like wait I can't hear it bring it back Yeah it's really adorable Love it I know I think it's quite interesting for him

because he's not from here so he's like learned like he's really had to learn our politics because when he got here he was like I don't know anyone I don't know anything

so he's been like yeah really reading and stuff which is cool it's been I don't know I've really enjoyed it I was like oh if we were at a different stage in our lives

we could stay up all night and watch the election and then I was like okay yeah no absolutely not absolutely not I can't get up too early to drive up to Liverpool

but like exciting in theory. I'm such a loser. You guys put me to shame, honestly. I wish I could feel like this. I don't think so. I think it's a bit tragic, but it does, it's like, I feel quite, um, like, satisfied that I have such easily accessible interests. Like, I feel really grateful that I'm not really into something incredibly niche. I'm like, at least I, I'm finding something really interesting that's literally on the news. So it's like, I'd have to go far to like quench my thirst. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. You see, my stupid ponchant for philosophy is hard exactly it's hard that's not accessible content i mean there is there's a fair bit on like youtube and there podcasts aren't great though like i scraped the barrel do you i'm not even good yeah scrape the barrel with it i listen to all of them but there really

aren't that many um and a lot of it is like really like academic and obviously i never studied philosophy so it takes me a while. Like, I, like, have to relisten. Is there a way to talk about it in a way that isn't super smart? Like, do you know what I mean? Is there like, like, how much could they really say in philosophy for, like, like, dummies? No, some people do, some people do. There is, um, God, I can't remember.

There's a YouTube channel that I do watch. They have, like, they do like bite-sized videos on it. And on TikTok as well. TikTok is good. TikTok makes it way more accessible. What's a bite-sized amount of philosophy content? Like, what would you expect in a mouthful of that? Well, what kind of things are you learning?

There's a guy on TikTok. There's a guy on TikTok, and I can't remember his name. But he does, like, a back and forth. Basically, like, there's no answers in philosophy is what I found, right? There's no answer. So he does, like, a back and forth, like, conversation between himself and, like, one that went supervise. role that's really interesting as like the meaning of life and he gets go back and forth and back

and forth and back and forth and your head ends up spinning but it's just fascinating but yeah I definitely need more practical interest what's what's the theory for the meaning of life did he was there any like thing conclusive that everyone had basically that every well no that no that's the thing there's no answers there's no conclusions like no philosophers have like agreed on the meaning of life okay but I believe that you create your own meaning in life. Meaning? Yeah.

That's my conclusion is that you create your own meaning. I like that. Yeah. Uh-huh. But then obviously like theists will believe that, you know, it's more based in God and based in religion. But anyway, this is really, I know this is boring. Let's...

No, I don't think it is boring. I think it's super deep and interesting. But isn't it fascinating that we seek out this sort of content? I know. But I need more practical, practical content. Content that's going to serve me. you know philosophy uh sorry psychology stuff that's more definitely more practical and there's more yeah more on that but anyway see yeah that stuff would go straight over my head like because if

i started thinking on like a tuesday morning like what's the meaning of life i'd be like throwing up be like i can't i don't i i i i i what it's got to be more than this i better go and do more than this i love a little existential spin you do i do i don't mind it you're like don't mind it you're like Dorothy in the tornado all the time. Because I think... Press play and off she goes. He's literally saying less and I'm off. But I like, yeah, I don't know,

because I just think it is depressing when you think about it. But then it's also like everyone is in the same boat and we are just all these silly little ants on this silly little world. I live for that. Exactly. Doing silly little things.

And I don't know. I just find that there's real comfort in that. that there is no set meaning, no prescribed meaning, that we can just create our own meaning. Like, that's cool. Yeah, but I need those minutes, I need those reminders sporadically in at, like, quite specific times.

Like, I don't think I'd need them. I think if I had, like, you're a tiny little aunt, you're worthless. Like, you've got to create your moon meaning. I think I don't think that would, I think that, I don't think that would help. I'd be adding that to the to-do list all the time. It's like, oh my God, add a to-do list.

Add a purpose, add a meaning. Do you know what? Stick to To create A life worth living I think so Stick to politics It's a little panicky

I got really panicked yesterday It was Alex's birthday yesterday He was 31 And I was like Oh my God How do you feel about getting older And he was like Really good

You know I've got everything I'm like You know everything I could want I'm so lucky I've got all this amazing stuff And I was like What? He's like yeah yeah

Yeah I've got really good about it And I've had a look at numerology and the number 31 represents like creativity and ambition so I feel like this is going to be really good year for me I was like

what? Great. What? He's just feeling so good about getting old. I was like, oh my God, okay, here I am. I was like,

oh my God, the end is in sight. This is it. Because I'm going to be 30. I think I'm in a bit of a spin because I'm going to be 30 in a couple of weeks. Yes, you are.

It's exciting. It is. But I think like my whole identity has been being young for so long. I mean, arguably 30 is still young. I know, no, I know, I know, I know.

And it's not a big deal all my friends are 30 but this is my thing my thing's been like all my friends are like much older than me and they all go oh you're still in your 20s and I'm not going to be able to do that anymore oh I'm going to love it we're in this we'll never be in the same age bracket actually no that's no but because what I have to look forward to is you're all hitting 40 we've never known each other in the same age decade shit no yeah wait yeah yeah oh my god you've always been in your 30s Shit. Dave, get this. Dave hits 40 next year. How mad is that? That's quite good for me, but not so great for him. Oh no, actually, you know what? Dave was born to be 40. Dave was born to be 60. He's going to fucking thrive. He is such an old man. He's been so good. He's just, like, he's already living that dream. So I'm excited for the numbers to match the man.

Oh my God, I'm going to throw a party and that's going to be the name of the party. Now the numbers match the man. 40, colon, now the numbers match the man. That's brilliant. I love that. You know what? Because I don't feel bad about getting older. I love getting older.

I think what keeps happening is I keep thinking, I'm going to be 30. Not saying that's old, but I'm going to be 30. Fuck, and then before I know it, I'll blink and I'll be 40, then I'll be 50, then I'll be 60, then I'll be 70. Then I'm probably going to die. There is stuff in between. That's what I'm hoping. I keep like just leap frogging because the last couple of years are just gone like that. I swear I was 25 like 30 seconds ago.

And I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to look up like I saw a really old man yesterday. And I was like, that will be Alex one day. And then I was like, unless he died. And I was like, oh, my God. Unless he died. I wanted to die. That sounds like the inside of my brain, not yours. This is it.

It's sending me for a loop. this um this yeah i think it's just i think it's just my eight like i think it's just because i've got the big birthday i get it i do i think it's just it's just got me looking backwards forward i just it's a huge milestone leaving your 20s is a really really big milestone it is it's big it's really big i think yeah i guess because contrary to you i was all my friends were older because just because i was so young in my years it all turned 30 so i feel like i was kind of like used to it so I didn't feel like it was a big deal for me but I but I think it's all my friends turn 30 a long time ago like yeah my friends I don't know like maybe because I mean Alex is only

a year older than me like some of my closest friends like Georgie's 32 else about to be 32 my friend Sof's 32 you're 35 through six like all my friends I can't remember 36 35 No, 36, fuck. 35, 35, yeah. Yeah, like, I don't know. So, it's like, everybody's already done that. Like, yeah, like, sort of all Alex's, yeah, they're all like 32, 33, 34. So, like, I'm just, I don't know why, how that's really happened.

I think it's because I didn't go to uni. So, like, all my school friends, like, I'm still friends with them. But, like, I don't see them so much. Like, my group became older because they were the only ones here in London because all my friends are gone. So, yeah, it seems up with all the friends. Do you know, I mean? I totally know what you mean, but I will say that I do, like, I know that, I know

it doesn't apply to everyone, but for me, my 30s have been so much better than my 20s. Well, I've long since maintained that my 40s, I'm going to absolutely fucking thrive. Like, I cannot wait. I think, but I do think that, like, from watching women, specifically, because that's all I know, really, but, like, watching women get older and enter new decades, they, it feels like they thrive more and more with every decade they go into, which is really exciting. Yeah. Because I just, I think you get to know yourself even more, you get to know, you get to know your boundaries and like how you spend your time and who you spend your time with and everything becomes like streamlined and you just, yeah, I think you really like serve yourself more and more with each decade. And that's definitely what I've found with each year. Like I get older. I find that like I know myself better. I'm kinder to myself and I just give myself more grace, which is really cool.

That feels exciting. I think, like, yeah, I've, because I, I keep thinking about my 40s is going to be so good because I'll be done having kids. Like, like, I know I will be done by 40. So, they'll be at school. Yeah. Hopefully I'll still be freelance. And I really see evenings for myself full of Botox sitting at a rooftop bar.

And like, I don't know, I see myself in spin classes. I see myself. having something got shakes i see myself on girls i don't know what's going to happen to my kids and my husband at this time and i don't know where there's personality's going to come from but i see myself like really being able to put like channel a lot back into my friendships and like travel with my not travel but like be awake like do weekends with my friends and stuff because i feel like when you're in the baby stage like i don't know i'm in such a weird limbo now which is so common but it's like you know you sacrifice a lot of your body and like a lot of your time and all of your

energy and you're channeling it into this tiny little person, absolutely as you should. But I think it's quite an interesting stage when you're doing that and your friends aren't. So it's like, I'm looking at my friends still live selfish lives. And I'm like, I love this for you. I'm so excited. And I think I just get excited for like a point when I can do that again. Which will come. Definitely.

Which will come. But I feel like it's going to be in my 40s. Like I feel like I'm kind of like I've kind of made my like decision. I'm like the next 10 years I'm going to be like tit deep and like all of it. and like and then you'll catch me coming out and inside butterfly style you know what I mean I wanted to say like a joke but that's really bad but it's only when you said tit deep you know we had the episode about how low your tits are long my boobs are like you won't have to go that deep I mean you are paddling at best no but I love that and I think I actually think

something to get into another time because we've got to wrap up but another time to get into is like how, because that's something I've noticed with my friends that had babies all much, much younger than me. And I felt so, like, left out and, like, they don't love me anymore. Like, they're not interested anymore. They can't spend time with me anymore. Like, obviously, like you say, they're just completely, like, consumed by having full responsibility for another, like, human.

But I've noticed them now that their kids are older, coming out the other side of that, and having so much more time and also wanting to get away and to be, you know, be, you know, in their friendships more which has been really cool to say I keep having to say this to like myself because it's okay you know some friendships really do withstand it but like I think my relationship with Sarah

for example we definitely shared a lifestyle that I'm just not part of at the moment like and she's still doing all the stuff that we used to do like and you know she still goes to like 6 a.m. spin classes and like does dinners and drinks after work

and she's just doing stuff that I just not my era and she's making so many sacrifices It's like if she wants to be part, and she is a massive part of my life and Arlo's life, because she's a god mom, like she was here last night, she's always here. Like, it's always Sarah coming to me. And it's like, that's a big sacrifice on her because that's not the, that's not the friendship that we shared. So it's like, I'm excited to be able to have the energy to put, put the time back into those friendships. Because they do kind of require them in order to thrive. But it's a bit difficult to sit there, be like, oh, God, I'm just not providing enough.

But I think that's like, I don't know. And then you've also just got like the sort of like capitalist. beauty ideal like aging element of getting older which is like right a whole thing in itself yeah and it's and it's really it's do you know what it's really hard and actually over the past year since I got fucking pregnant honestly because pregnancy just did a number um I've noticed that like I can see signs of aging on my face now and I never have before oh my god nothing has aged me more laughing a baby because not my body not my saggy saggy boobies no look at the lines around my eyes because i'm so fucking tired and also yeah and it's actually hard to see but we're also so beautiful and stunning and it's

i know i know but it's like it's just it's so interesting because it isn't hard and it's like and it's like and the thing it theoretically isn't hard and when sorry i'm doing my coloring because i'm doing this a lot for for zen and peace at the moment it's so tragic i know yeah i'm gonna be 30 um But, yeah, I think it's so difficult because when you say like every year that passes, every decade that passes, like women go into their power even more, I'm like, oh my God, iconic, stunning, I love that. And when I picture that woman, she is aged, she is like, she's older looking. She's well-dressed. She is smiling. She is, like, she is weather-worn and she is happy. You know what I mean? Like, I am not imagining a woman that hasn't, isn't showing signs of India and seeing a very, very happy woman who's in her 50s or 60s or 70s or whatever. And she looks that. And in my head, I'm like, wow, you're stunning. I can't wait for that to be me. But then when you're in the actual moment, and these lines are appearing on your face

and on your body, you've got all of this rhetoric in your head that you're like, shut up. I'm trying to thrive. Like, let's not do this right now. I'm going to be a powerful woman. And I don't care that I've got crow's feet. But then society's like, but you do, you hag it old hag. That's the thing. In theory, it's so, it's so easy to be like, I'm going to grow old.

I'm going to enjoy how my body. looks as it ages and I'm not going to change it and da-da-da-da. That is so easy to say in theory and in practice it's so difficult because, yeah, you do have all this like societal stuff screaming at you like everywhere you go and you're like, oh fuck, maybe this isn't the right thing. Maybe I do need Botox. Maybe I do need retinal even though it gives me eczema, you know? I don't think you do.

I don't. Mind you, God, do I need retinal? Who fucking knows? The retinal, I'm speaking to some people and they're like, there is no. literally nothing you need more in life than retina it's like oxygen retinal yeah like that's the that's the that's the that's that's that's that's the that's that's the retinal but then you go like you go like you go somewhere else and they're like what are you a snake like why do you want to peel your face off retinels let's you destroying you like you're killing that

like you're killing your face why do you want never use retinal I know like so what I don't know I know I think it's like the most effective skincare ingredient that we have that isn't invasive like is the most effective one that we have, like, Tretanoine, but it's not for everyone either, though. Like, it can really irritate, irritate your skin. Is it for me? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. I don't know. I find it so conflicting. I've got no idea. Like, I got it for Alex for his birthday, because you told me to, or for Christmas, a couple of years ago.

You were like, he needs retinal. I was like, he does. Yeah. He's aging. He needs retinal. I'll get retinal. Al said it so I got it for him and then we went my sister works at a facialist She was receptionist

Yeah A facelist and she was like When Arlo was born She was like come for facial guys So I was like okay we'll go for facial She's like I'll stay with the baby You come in It's like great

She actually didn't stay with the baby It's so difficult I had to take her in But that's my point And we go in And when we come out The lady who'd been doing Alex's face grabbing by the arm

And she's like I can't believe you bought him Retinal And I was like What? She was like He's taught me through a skincare routine And he has retinal

He should not have retinal You should not have retinal you should not have bought this for him his face is peeling off like you are killing his skin you're gonna make him so I was like oh my god I'm so sorry and then I was like Alex you're a 30 year old man takes some responsibility for yourself you put it on every morning you put it on every morning you know I don't think he's wrecking your skin every morning you little asshole take you I don't think he's wrecking your skin I don't have I haven't heard that I mean maybe he needs to use it use a buffer with it if it's strong. Which one is it? I don't know. I was like, I got really upset. I was like, I don't want to pull up this anymore. If you want to bite yourself. I don't want to get in trouble. I don't know. Okay, well, apologies, Alex. I think you need to take that. I think you need to take that up with him. He looked, I thought it was the best he ever looked. I thought he was looking fantastic. I think he's looking great. He's really prioritising his skin hair. I love that. I asked him what he wanted for his birthday and he's like, oh, I need my rose seed hip oil from the ordinary. I was like, diddly done, adorable. From the ordinary as well, excellent. Cheap as chips. I know, and now we've ticked off.

I know, that's what I thought. I was like, anything else? Like, I haven't even qualified for free delivery. And, yeah, and then now we've crushed skin care, retinal aside. He's really focusing on his hair care. Because this is the man, like, when I met him, washed his hair with soap and has literally never spent more than, like,

four pound 99 on a haircut um and i was like a few months ago i was like why don't you go because like he keeps going across the road to a barber who i'm sure he's a very nice man but has been doing a hatchet job on his head and i was like why don't you go to like a hairdresser like and just see what all the cracks about and he was like i don't know if i need it you know this guy's doing a good job i'm like i don't know man like let's just see anyway so we went for a haircut fucking loved it first one he was like oh it was quite expensive and then as it grew out he was like, oh my God, have you seen me from this angle? Have you seen me? Look how

Buffy is. Then he got into sea salt spray. I did notice the difference. He did notice the difference. It's fantastic. Yeah, so then he started using sea salt spray. I was like, oh my God, use mine. I've got some. I've bought him his own now. I got it yesterday. I accidentally put it in Arlo's hair. She looked, yeah, it's great.

But anyway, I was trying to spray it at Alex and then it all just like fizzled down on hers and her hair just like, going. I was like, ah, sorry. But, um... Cute. Yeah, he, um... He, you know, so cute. And then he was like, yeah, yeah.

So I saw Jonathan, who was getting his hair cut and he was like, yeah, yeah. He was telling me that my, um... I've been using your shampoo and it's been really drying my hair out. And I was like, oh, okay. And he was like, yeah, yeah, so if you got, have you got anything else? I think I might try oliplex. Can I use some of your oliplex? I was like, yeah, absolutely.

So he used oliplex conditioner this morning. Oh my God. So I'm really excited to see how it's dried. Yeah, I haven't seen him yet. I need to, Dave needs to step up. seriously. Well, 40 might be the era that Dave thrives in also. I'm going to get him thriving before 40. I'm going to get, on his 40th birthday party, he's going to have thick, luscious, shiny locks and baby smooth skin. Yeah, I'm going to turn this around for him.

Turn this shipper up. No, he's not really a smooth kind of guy, is he? He doesn't look like he's a very smooth person. He looks like, like, weathered. You know? know? If he heard you say that, he would be so upset. But also, can he really argue with that? I'd go more rugged, I think. Does he moisturise? He does. He does have a skincare. Admittedly, it's gone to shit since Tommy was born.

Like his body. Oh, oh no, God, no. Oh, God, no. No, because I'm not talking his face. I just imagine, like, I don't know. You know when you see people who just, like, roll their sleeves up and have, like, very termed forearms and then very pale rest of them that's why i imagine for dave that's about right imagine he's like a roll your sleeves up kind of man so he's got very weathered forearms and then i don't care to really imagine the rest of it because it's not for me to do but like i just i think it's quite specific i think what i imagine is a weathered forearm do you know what i'll take a picture of it

we'll put it on the should delete that stories and the forearm yeah the forum and you can all have your same. His date, is he, is he, is he? His heart all of absolute sly when you went, yeah, the four skin. We're doing a photo of it, the four skin. And, uh, I mean, we'll struggle, but anyway, we don't need to go there. Um, I don't think we do. I don't think we did. On that note, that's a horrible note to end on. And I'm really sorry, but it was Em's fault. And we will see you on Monday and lots of love. And we will have the results of the election for next week.

I know you're going to be waiting to hear it on Monday's episode. I don't know how you'll garner it, if not from us. No, I mean, when we next come to, never mind. Doesn't matter. No, I don't think they think that we're going to pronounce that. They've given, Downing Street has given us the exclusive. Which was good of them? They didn't need to do that.

I know, yeah. It's good for them though, really good for them. So. Yeah, no, exactly. We're doing them a favour. Thank you guys, and we will see you on Monday. Lots of love. Love you guys. We'll see you later. Bye-bye now. Thank you so much for listening. Should I delete that is part of the ACASC created network.