Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: Reflecting on the week’s internet noise

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

It's been a very big week on the internet - so we're bringing you a topical episode to reflect on three topics that have felt particularly important for us. Firstly - take a look at the internet's reaction to the tragic news of Liam Payne's death. The noise on the internet around this topic has felt extraordinarily loud this week - so we discuss the cycle of trolling and tragedy that we have seen play out so many times and how we're feeling about it. Then, it's time to go back in time because the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show is back. Have we just taken a massive step back in terms of our collective relationship with body image, or is this a reinvention that was desperately needed? And talking about society's obsession with thinness - we also chat about the government's conversation about Ozempic as a tool to get people back into the workforce. In the new year, we will be releasing a series on the podcast dissecting our relationship with body image. If there's something you want us to cover or is if there something you want to tell us: you can email us on [e-mail]! Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That? is produced by Faye Lawrence Music by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, and welcome back to shit to delete that. I'm Alex Light. And I'm in Parkson. We've got a topical episode for you today. There's been so much in the news over the last 10 days or so that we felt it was overdue. Top line for you. Obviously, we've had a huge tragedy in pop culture. Well, in life, I mean, a huge tragedy, full stop.

Pop culture-wise, it's been extraordinary. I've never seen anything like the noise and circus around Liam Payne's death. We want to talk about it, but not it per se, because we're very aware that we don't want to add to the noise. We just want to talk about the noise because that's felt very relevant. Speaking of noise. Speaking of noise. If you can hear some background noise,

There is, I heard of elephants in the office of surprisingly. Some are doing somersaults in the upstairs room. Also in the news that we didn't have a chance to talk about. This is kind of old news by now. But the Victoria Secret Show came back. We need to talk about that. And I don't know what they're doing up there. It sounds like two people in, you know, like when you go on those office chairs and then you have a race.

They're going back and forth. I feel like that's what I think. Victoria's Secret Show. And then obviously the government has announced plans to give out its own pick for free. to obese and employ people in Ibid to get them back to work. So I feel like there's three, should I delete that coded conversation to be had. We've got a lot to talk about. Got a lot to talk about.

And only half an hour to do so. Let's go. Liam, Liam Payne. I think we need to say off the bat, we don't want to add to speculation. There's going to be no speculation here. I don't think we've got any grounds to talk about anything like that. We're not going to cover how he died. Nope.

The circumstances surrounding him. his death, nothing like that. That's not our place, arguably, it's no one's place. No. I think what we want to cover, what we want to talk about is the, I mean, the circumstances leading up to his death, especially in the media. And actually, I'm going to say social media predominantly. I don't think it's been newspapers, as it was with Caroline Flack, it was like predominantly newspapers and magazines that like, I feel like they really bore the brunt of the blame there but this time i feel like it's really social media that has been like dominating the discourse around leon pain and i think the interesting thing is not just the fact that they

dominated the discourse because there is a lot to unpack there in terms of what the discourse was because there was a lot of severity and sincerity in in accusations that were made and in those sorts of conversations but for the most part there was ridicule yeah and i think the thing that we have found really interesting and we've spoken about pretty much every day since the news broke is how the internet has shifted the narrative like wow wow and i am so alarmed by it by this sort of like mass scale gas lighting yeah because all of a sudden all those videos that literally existed to rip the shit out of him have disappeared. The creators that made them have said nothing.

They've just deleted everything and gone to ground. And it's like this mass scale gaslighting where we're like, this is so sad. I don't know how this happened. My for you page. And actually, like most of my Instagram as well was full before he died of reasons why Liam Payne is David Brent. Yep.

Liam Payne's cringiest moments all of them just making an absolute mockery out of him and we talked about this after we've talked about this a lot we've talked about this a lot we talked about this after he did the Logan Paul podcast and how he was ridiculed after that

and I think we said in that episode like we have to be careful about how we're treating people because something will happen what we said exactly in that episode was when something happens everybody's going to say no one saw it coming and we have no grounds to say that

and we said that a year ago which is a horrible foreshadowing it's so predictable the content has done a complete a complete 180 it's gone from those type of videos totally ridiculing him to he was the nicest person like look what he did for his fans

look how he treated people but also I think the interesting thing that I hadn't realised is the snippets that had gone viral of the Logan Paul interview for example were incredibly specific in their agenda like there was the narrative was clear it was all part of this same you know rhetoric that we were creating people are now saying oh if you step back and look at

the wider conversation he wasn't saying that he was saying this and he was misunderstood and this was misquoted and this and now people are going and finding other interviews and saying look he acknowledges here that he's struggling and he talks about his addiction here and he talks about his mental health struggles here and it's like he was talking about that the whole time but the algorithm wasn't showing you or you weren't interested. Yeah. So that wasn't the picture that was being painted. And it's really, I don't, like, I, for everyone, for his family, it's so horrific now.

There's so much noise here. But like, for society that we can do this, that we can just. Do you know what's really interesting, though, is in everything that went viral around him, and for all the reasons he was being mocked, he was never harming anyone in those videos, right? In those videos, yes. Maya Henry, his ex-fiance, I was going to say girlfriend, but his ex-fiancee,

has written a fiction book that she's now admitted is based on real-life events and is based on her relationship with Liam and it was very abusive and she's described since as well in podcasts that he did, he abused her

and it was a toxic relationship. And interestingly, I didn't even know about that. I kind of, I didn't, I did, but like very vaguely, and I had to kind of dig to find out about it. But I couldn't not know about his Logan Paul interview, about him walking up, like, dancing to Greece and like interacting with fans in a cringy way. Like I, those, those moments where like he wasn't harming anyone, like, okay, yes, he was,

he was being cringy, like, yes, it was a bit embarrassing. Like those ones were like thrown in our faces and like those are the ones used to disparage him. and yet the serious, really serious allegations, accusations against him, I felt like that was, that kind of slipped under the radar. And Maya Henry said that herself actually as well on a podcast. She did an episode, she went on, the internet is dead, which I can only find on Spotify, not Apple, weird.

And she said on there that she really struggled to get her voice out and to get her story out. She really struggled, she felt like people just didn't really want to hear. but my god as soon as we like picked up on a snippet of him being embarrassing or like the tiniest clip of him doing something I wonder that's that because it stops him being a joke then it stops as being able to laugh if we'd given weight to her oh 100% before it's like but I think it was so inevitable as well that when the worst did happen obviously everybody blames her and I think that's the other really disgusting thing that I keep seeing here and it's just like

she shouldn't you know this is your all the comments on her videos media like this is your fault blood's on your hands you did this hope you're happy now and i've seen so much of this rhetoric saying she should have kept it to herself what is going on upstairs um you should have kept this to yourself why did you take this public this you know this is the actions you've got to that sets the conversation of domestic abuse back so far it's such a blow it's such a predictable thing that survivors of domestic abuse are told by the perpetrators that if you do this, I'll kill myself. If you tell anyone what I did,

I can't live anymore. Your blood's on my hands. That is a very, very common thing for victims of domestic abuse to hear. This completely, this rhetoric validates that. And that's what I'm so upset seeing all these comments.

And it's like, just engage your brains. Like, can we have some critical thinking for the fact that this is a tragic situation it is more complicated than we'll ever appreciate and we can kind of leave it we can kind of leave that to be a complicated situation for people that aren't us and we thank God that they're not asked because that whole family everybody that loves him is about to go through something or is going through something so horrific and I cannot but I can't justify the media the social media the invasion the videos of

of his dad going to the morgue in Argentina, the photos that TMZ have leaked of his body, the leaked WhatsApp pictures of his whole body, not just a TMZ one, so that's his whole body. Yeah, like, it's, they're bad. Horrific. Horrific. And Perez Hilton's doing these videos every, like, eight hours

with every single update on the situation. And people keep saying, oh, you're handling this with such grace, Perez. Like, thank you, Perez, you're doing this. There's so much justice. It's like, you're a, fucking vulture. Give him a knighthood, please. Jesus.

Well, he's such a, well done for handling this. Stop handling it. Put it down. Put it down. Leave it. Leave it. Leave it. Give this family space.

I mean, not only has he got, like, he's got parents and siblings. He's got a son. But he's got a son. And his son will have access to all of this information. And that's what Cheryl, Bear's mom and Liam's ex said in her Instagram post. She kind of begged everyone to just leave this, leave, leave it be. When I shared that, does it belong to you? When I shared that, I got so many DMs for people going, yeah, but he was this.

So, like, and I just put a thing to be kind and people go, yeah, but he was, I said, fine, don't be kind. Then be a fucking twat. Like, go on, men. Does that mean you feel good? And look, I have, I've got skin in the game here. Like, I, on a personal level, have this. I have a family in the public eye. and I know

when God forbid the worst happens when anything happens there's going to be all this noise I know it and it's a fucking horrible thing to know I've actually not considered that that you have to think about that

I think about it of course I think about it of course I think about it because it's because I know what happens when when anything happens I know the messages I receive out of nowhere

so I know what I know what I'll get there and I know that I know what people are like because I see them do it all the time and I know it's and so like I have this and I know it's my own you know and I'm putting my own feelings onto other situations and stuff but it's like it's fucking disgusting and it's unimaginable but it's but it's painful yeah yeah I mean it's but it's and you can't and I think Cheryl said it and it's you can't undo it these yes you can delete your videos or whatever but these words this rhetoric this noise all everything that you put there stays there. It's not ephemeral, the internet. No. And everything lives in perpetuity. Yes. And you,

I really think people need to look at themselves and think about themselves and think about the legacy they're leaving because this is what that it, what you wrote, I mean, God will, like what you wrote on Facebook in 2009 will still be available. Yeah. Your children, your grandchildren, your entire legacy is tied up in every fucking thing you say online.

Yeah. Like, think about that. Like, okay, fine. if you can't find any compassion for a family member of somebody in grief, if you can't find that within yourself, think about who you want to be and ask yourself. It was Lydia Miller who wrote this, right? Yeah, Lydia did a big post about that.

Yeah, yeah, your legacy, maybe it wasn't Cheryl's then, maybe I'm co-combining them. I think, because I think Cheryl kind of, it was also like begging people to just leave the story alone. Like stop searching for more tidbits, like just leave it be. Like he died, draw a line under it. You can grieve him, but stop. stop like digging for the salacious gossip and then i think yeah lydia millen did a post about how

yeah yeah our online legacy and to think about it yeah and to think twice about it because i mean and it's been it's been interesting like you mentioned it before but the creators who were profiting off of mocking leon pain their content has disappeared yeah it's like if you had to delete that content when he died, that gives you, that kind of puts you on your moral compass, like, gives you an idea of like where you are there. Yeah, how do you really feel? Yeah. Tell us how you feel about what you did. Yeah. What's the reason you have to delete that? Yeah. And I think that's, yeah, that's incredibly telling actually. Yeah. Because we say this, we threaten it, right? It's a thing all the time, I mean, you and I say all the time, you'll regret it.

Like, the worst will happen. The worst will happen and you'll regret it. You know, whenever we have these conversations about this mass scale, social media people do it to jesse nelson people doing it to jojo siwa people obviously do it to live we you say you know it's in the back of your mind you just think you could you could push this person too far and if you do you can't get them back yeah yeah and imagine imagine how that fit we talked about that in the jojo siwa video but like put yourself in his shoes and yes he was yes he did bad things and yes he was a he was a very troubled man but like put yourself in his shoes and think about having to navigate, like living online and in real life when everyone

thinks for an absolute joke. Everyone is laughing at you. No one likes to be laughed at. Like, admittedly, he was in the public license. He was 14. That's problematic in itself. But he might have developed a thicker skin. But like he was just being... Makes me feel sick. Lafter. Yeah. I'm so ashamed of like us. I'm so ashamed. It's shameful. It really is. And it's like, we can't. it's like I don't know sometimes I think about

like Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice for example and I think like I didn't sorry I wasn't or I think of like Philip Schofield's children

or I think of Matt Hancock's children whenever now and I know again I've got my own stake in the game here but when I see scandals of big men normally my heart instantly breaks

for the kids of course Hugh Edwards's kids I'm like oh fuck I just I feel for them this panic instantly like I was desperate But when Matt Hancock's affair broke, years ago,

I just, I had a friend who worked in the government. I was like, can you get me the kid's email address? And she was like, no. I was like, fine, fair enough. But it's like, I felt this like horrible. I was like, this is about to be the worst thing in your life. This is about to be the worst thing in your life. And nobody's going to feel sorry for you because no one feels sorry for a nepo baby

or no one feels sorry for you because this. Or no one feels sorry. But you can't imagine how in one swipe, Your world's tilted on its access, whether your dad's done something terrible or he's had an affair or he's died or he's committed a crime, whatever it is. You've got that. And then you've got the noise that comes with it. Yeah. And the opinions and the, oh God. And the lack of humanity from people. But this is why I don't understand why people are replying to your DMs when you shared that Cheryl Cole statement. Yeah, yeah. Saying, but he did this, but he did that.

It's justified. He no longer, he's no longer here. But it's, I know why people do that. We're not taking his feelings because they've said bad things and they feel bad so they have to double down now

yeah yeah yeah they said bad things when he was here so they have to say well well I did it because and that's why but I just

it makes me like I know we talk about trolling all the time and I know we talk about this all the time and it genuinely feels like the biggest yeah

purpose of my life is to try and have this conversation as often as we can because it's like if we don't put humanity in here but I don't think

anything's going to change. I think this is a pattern that's going to continue to repeat itself because I think the algorithm is too powerful. We are to, what's the, how do I make the noun vulture into like vulturous, you know? Like, vultory. We're too, we, we enjoy it too much. Yeah, it's voyeurism, isn't it? We take too much pleasure in the, in the voyeurism and also Chardon Freud. Like, we enjoy watching people. What is happening up? What is happening upstairs. I'm really sorry, guys, if you can hear that on the mic.

Of course they'll be able to hear it on the mic. It's the loudest thing in the world. I think it's a pattern that's going to continue to repeat itself because I think people can see the pattern. I don't think they care enough. I think it's like with environmental stuff. Like we see the impact and we might like watch a documentary that like shocks us out of doing stuff for a few weeks.

But ultimately like that fizzles out and we kind of get back to it and because it doesn't have a direct impact on us and we are all like you know horribly selfish creatures then we just go back to it and and i and i genuinely don't think it's going to get any different it's going to be any different it's so fucking depressing is yeah what do you want to do next victoria secret or the government and their ozemp let's do vicky seeks okay it's the first time i've called that i like it i liked it what did you think? Okay, cancel me. It was a good show. It's interesting to watch, for sure. Yeah, something, there is something pleasing about the show, about share, about seeing all the

gals up there. I did love seeing Ashley Graham, obviously. Hadn't heard of Tyler, by the way. She's great. Hadn't heard of who? Tyler. Tyler. Tyler, who? She, um, performed. And she was excellent. Oh, yeah, the singer types. Yeah. I know some songs of hers. Couldn't name any. Maybe season, but spelled z n i feel like that's one of hers oh i feel like i can see it on my spot if like what is that her it's cuffing season no is that not it no no no um tyler oh no it wasn't season it was water let me who things very different from season not really it's both geographical really see who's things i've made up season it's not a song it's just have you not heard that oh god come on no i know that song i want to

Oh, it's called, oh, it's called, I Need a Big Boy, Give Me a Big Boy. Let me add that to my, let me add that to my life songs. I need a big boy. Just put it on your notes, no context. I need a big boy, give me a big boy. I'm going to send it to Alex. Right, okay, this actually brings me on something, look, and I know we need to talk about the news, but this brings me on something, because on the way here, I was listening to

Jeff Bockeley's Alleluia. Absolutely great song. Amazing song, but is that reflective of your mood? Yes. Yes. But no, no, no, that's not why I bring it up. I bring it up for the sigh at the beginning. Have you ever noticed that?

I know. It's beautiful. No, it's not. It's so weird. Okay, so imagine you're playing your song to your friends like, hey, guys, do you want to hear my new song? And then you turn it on and it goes, he.

No, I love it. And then it got me thinking about all those other little bits of like adages that musicians leave in. Okay, okay. hear me out there is a moment in a lady garga song you know i'm off the deep end watch as i dive in that yes it's a cat squeak in that okay i can't remember where it is but listen carefully and you were going to hear like a there are a few things there's like in shut up and drive which isn't that surprising that it comes out of context but there's like a shut up and drive by riana there's like

a there's like a siren and every time i listen to it in the car i'm like oh please car behind me then in either chasing pavement or hometown glory there's like a beat beat which sounded like my old blackberry ringing which used to stress me out and then it's a at the end of, maybe it's a busted song or a McFly song and I go, did you hear my voice? Ha ha ha ha! And they laugh. And I always think, why did you decide to keep those bits in?

Okay, so, you know, an SOS by Rihanna. Love it. The whole of the second verse of that song is 80s song titles. Yes, I know that. Stung together as sentences. Yes. Okay, so we've got, take me, take me, okay, I'm not going to do it. Listen to it.

We need to get back to this scheduled programming. Sorry. Okay. Victoria Secret Show. it was exactly the same thing. I was watching it thinking, oh no, I've got an old one. I've got an old,

I'm watching an old show. It was just exactly the same thing. And like, fine, if that's what you want to be, I don't know, it just irritates me that they're trying to, like, lean into like, we've heard you, we're listening to you, and like, we're making moves

and we're doing big changes and then they come back with exactly the same thing. It's like either, like, do it properly or just lean into like, no, we want to create a fantasy, we want this we want to

cover it and like show only the specific image anyway they did use two transgender models which is quite big considering that their head ex-director of marketing had said that there was no way a trans

woman would ever walk in the show or for then 2018 and 19 and so I was like well you were wrong you've been fired and proven wrong Ed Razick but

Yeah, I was interesting I made a reel about it And then I deleted the reel Spent all fucking day on it I was so long I was in hospital last Tuesday night Wednesday I could not get out of bed And I was like

I'm very sorry if I'll do that I'll make a real And I made the real And the second I put it up And all the comments I was like no None of you read the caption I can't be bothered with this

It's got to go You have to live up to the name of the podcast somehow Why don't people read the caption I spend so long on it We say this all the time All nuance is lost on social media.

It's so annoying. It's got to be black or it's got to be white. It's so annoying. No gray. Yeah, so I deleted it. But because everyone is just like, well, you know, like stop thin shaming. It's like if you think what I'm doing here is thin shaming, I'm going to need to throw a ball at your head. Threatening, but okay.

Yes. Oh, you're just jealous that you're not thin. It's just like, okay, probably yeah, but also, no, that's not it. Like, allow women more complexity, allow the permission to critically think without it just being as simple and vacuous as, I'm just not as thin as her. So like, I've got to bring her down. It's like, that's not it. So I'm going to make content. No. It was important what you're saying. But, but. But it's gone now. It's gone. I get it. I get it. I do it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. You wrote about it for Elle if anyone wants to go and do some further reading into our thoughts on it. It was just. It was just. a lot of, I don't know, they open with Gigi, which is great, Georgie. It is great to see Gigi and Bella both working together. Well, also everybody's saying to them after their very public support of Palestine, obviously they're both half Palestinian, everybody's saying, you know, like you'll never work

again, or people saying, you know, no one's speaking out because, or people say all the time, no one's speaking about Palestine because they're scared of losing the work. And I thought it was really cool. I hadn't thought about that. That they've both donated millions. Yeah. and they've still getting the biggest gig and they opened and closed

did you open, Bella closed so that was good but like if you want to make a statement from Victoria's Secret if you want to make a statement like we're back and we're better we're different and we're better oh yeah if you're trying to do

well they actually finished with Tyra Banks she did she did pop up literally popped up yeah it's interesting though isn't it like the three of the three curvy women were all dressed differently yes no stomachs were shown

no we gotta wrap that shit up. They were wearing like 90s and dresses and Tyra was in an all-in-one cat suit. I imagine that was Tyra's decision. I imagine she had full creative. Kate Moss being in it at a 50, I know she's not representative of a 50-year-old. There was good age representation.

Yeah. Do you think, this is being a bit mean, actually. You are going to be mean, you're going to say, do you think that she only did it so that Lila, whatever, our daughter's called, could walk in it? Yeah. I... Or I think she said, yes, I'll do it, but only if Lila can come to.

I don't know. Like, look at me of the big empire. with my own feelings in the game. I feel sorry for the kids. I know. But I would, if I was like, I'd be like, mom. We're going. Actually, no, I probably wouldn't.

Maybe I would. If my mom was doing something mega cool, I'd be like, agree, but you have to bring me along. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I did think hate that really cool. And she's only five three. I know, I know I'm scraping the barrel for like representation.

I don't think she's five three. She's 5'7. No, she's... Oh, Lila is. Oh, okay. So we had a petite model. We had a petite model. I know I'm scoping the barrel.

There was Ashley Graham. There was Paloma, El Sessa. They were both like plus size models. And they are plus size models, especially when you compare them to like the other models on the runway, but like in the grand scheme of things. Yeah. Like very palatable.

Like very like... Curves in all the right places. Yeah, cursing all the right places and like... There was also countries, there was models from 23 countries. Wow. Which is pretty cool. That's pretty cool. I know I'm scraping the barrel on it.

Like I know I am. I do think it was, it was a very little shift. It was a very little shift, but it was a shift. It wasn't the same show. Yeah, it was, well, for sure. And the interviews at the back, I thought, as well, the Adriana Lima interview, you know, there was a very infamous one from like 2000, whatever it was,

where, you know, it's like, what are you going to eat after the show? And she's basically like, nothing is, starves myself, all that. Whereas they asked her this time and... That's Barbara Palvin. Did they? I think they asked... Oh, did they? Oh, I didn't know.

I mean, it's just stupid asking the same questions. I know. Well, they asked, what's the trans model called? Valentina Sampayo. Yeah, they asked, made it as Valatina. And she was just like, I'm going to eat a dick. I was like, I can't. So good.

What a weird question though now. Come on. I know. I know. But then that's it, isn't it? That's where we're back there. Yeah. We're all fucking over, aren't me?

I don't know, I just, I can't be complimentary to the show. No, no, I'm, I can't be, complimentary to it. I just, I feel like it played too big a part in bad body image for a lot of people. Yeah, and also. And it doesn't, I don't think it deserves a little cookie now that it's like. No, and also that show, the one that we just had. Yeah. Will not have contributed to good body image either.

Of course it won't. Because you have two plus size models. Of course it won't. And God, this is triggering. Like, this probably needs a trigger warning at the top. so the day after the Victoria's Secret show this just randomly popped up on my for you feed which was horribly jarring

it was someone eating a bowl of ice with dinner after watching the Victoria's Secret show and the comments on it just listen to a couple in my Cape Moss era again finally we are so back ah back to this we're so back I'm locked in now oh my god there's a name for this I'm so excited I've did 45 minutes on the stairmaster on level 8

with no problem we need this show show annually, we need the motivation and fear back. Help, that's so real. Drank three cups of tea, green tea so far today and that's it. Fuck! This was my motivation I start today. When I tell you, my mindset changed from the moment I saw the first model walk, I have to lock in. That's the bugger, isn't it?

It's inevitable, though. It's inevitable. And they know that. They know that they just don't care about that. And it's everywhere again. It's everywhere again. They could have had. Do you remember the Savage Fenty show? Yeah, so stunning. Like, models of all, it was like, it was like a cross-section of society. Yeah. And everyone looked so cool and it was, I just feel like they missed an opportunity.

It's like, if you couldn't get everybody looking really good in your shit, you've made good shit. Yeah. Like, but, yeah. Well, yeah, I don't know how comfortable the actual Victoria Secrets items are. They don't they have ever owned a piece. No, I hate myself. I've got these incredibly comfortable knickers that I run in and I've happened for like eight years. They're like, and people ask all the time.

I'm like, I can't tell you that because you'll cancel me. The Victoria's Secret Sprague. and they're just so comfortable. That's cancel her, guys. Yeah, no, fair enough, I deserve it. But it's like, I do think this whole, we've talked about this again, and obviously we've got this big series

coming up on all of this, but the culture at the moment does feel so thin again. Thin, thin, thin. And I'm really, really disappointed. Like, okay, on a lot of levels, I'm disappointed with the government, and if any of you want to hear about all the reasons why, I will very happy to get into it.

I would be delighted. Yeah, we'd like a list. been really frustrated and disappointed with this government since they've been elected. But I have found the most distressing one, no, not the most, because there's as a plethora of distress, but this conversation they're having about Ozmpic. And it's like, this is nuts. And I can't remember which Sunday paper I saw it in, but there was a, there was a headline in the Sunday papers going, long term effects, or something to the extent, something to the ends off like what are the long-term effects of ozempic no one knows but who cares you'll be thin

and i mean they're literally saying that it's like oh no we're really here again we are here again and i think we're going to get to a point where like half of us are taking it half the population are on ozempic everybody's fucking taking it they are yeah everything take it but now they're literally talking about giving it away for free to people to get them back in the workforce and dr joshua walrich did a really good video on it this week about like how weight stigma is one of the biggest contributors in mortality rates even among people who are overweight and particularly within the medical profession like there's so much evidence to show that doctors are less likely to take you seriously if you're overweight and it's like this

even the fact that worst treating is having this conversation is just adding to this really dangerous rhetoric that that puts hand in hand this idea that overweight people are lazy or that fat people don't work or like there's just by making these connections in the like in this public space and also people who live in bigger bodies

struggle to get jobs over thinner people like that's a fact as well because employers are well discriminatory discriminatory against fat people so all this is doing now is like let's not address that issue let's just put a massive plaster over it. Let's just make them thinner. And let's just

make them thinner. Like maybe then they'll have a chance of getting a job. Yeah, exactly. Let's not tackle the employers. Hugely problematic buyers. We want to hold up fatphobia, please. We're going to just protect it at all costs. There's a little space for it. We can put it in next to like the jewels in the Tower of London and just have it also people can go and visit it. Do you know what though? It's such a contentious issue, ozempic and so divisive. The minute I say anything about it on my stories I get people are very heated about it that's because people are taking yeah exactly 100% yeah but we're not criticising people taking anything you say that might be slightly on the negative side is taken as you're shaming me yeah for taking

his Mpick but that's obviously out there and that's fair enough that people feel like that because they are people do feel like if you have been trying to lose weight forever and you've now got this option you are going to feel because we're so fucking judgmental because now that I keep seeing these videos and TikTok, I lost three stone naturally. And it's like, so now we're bashing people that have lost weight, quote unquote, unnaturally because of you say, however you're doing it, you're being shat on. The fact, if you have ever been overweight at any point in your life, society's going to be shitty to you for it. And I completely understand. And if you take a Zempick and then you lose weight.

People are cross with you then too. But also, then you're in a place where you're like, oh my God, I finally did it. And then you've got other people saying, oh, but actually the long time effects and you're going to have to take it forever in order to keep the weight off. Oh, and now think about your pancreas and blah blah, blah. People, it's, it's a lot. It's so much. Yeah. So, it's so much.

I really, really, really understand why people are really triggered and I completely understand why they're hurt and why they feel very defensive when anybody criticizes it because it's no small decision that anybody makes. It's expensive. It's arduous. I mean, you're injecting. It's, you know, it's a big thing to do. Yeah.

And, you know, there is a lot of noise about the risk. I think for a lot of people, I don't think it is a bigger decision as it should be. And I think that's just, that's just testament to how, as in people, I don't, I think, I think the, the desire to be thin overrides a lot of fear about long term side effects. But I think that's all part of it. I think that's the, you know, if we accept that like, the diet starts Monday lifestyle has been a constant in so many people's lives for their entire existence, it isn't a small decision that they're going. going on as a same, it's completely inevitable that they are because it's just the next, it's the next cabbage soup.

It's like, I don't even think about this. I'm just going to jump because I've tried everything else. So it's like, it is sort of like, it's desperation. Yeah, which makes it in an, of itself, a huge decision. But it's not being considered is what I mean. Yeah, it's not considered. And that's, it's scary.

And it's like, it's, I was going to say it's going to fall into the wrong hands. It's in the wrong hands. Well, yeah. If you'd have caught me a few years ago, and this was all happening. I'd be on it right now. Yeah. I'm telling you, I would be on it right now.

I tell you something that I think is really interesting. Is that how concerned people are about like the COVID vaccine, if we use that as an example. I know. And it's like, it causes blood clots. It makes you blind. It does it like, I'm not going to be a sheep because I'm not putting this shit in my body. I know.

Wait, it'll make me thin. You don't load her up. It's fascinating. Say less. Tell me less. Yeah. Fascinating. But we are going to get into all of this in January.

Oh my God, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. We've got this like a very chunky series. We've talked about it, right? Yeah, yeah, we have done. It's getting chunkier and chunker as we go along because we're like, no, we've got to talk about this as well. We had an episode dedicated entirely to this.

So buckle in. Yeah. It's going to be good, I think. Yeah. Why did I say that? Oh, my God. I immediately recall that. Why would I say that?

It's going to be good. It's going to be there. It's going to be. You can decide whether it's good or not, guys. Cross out the good. Well, this has been... Fun, no. It's been necessary.

It's been necessary. There you go. I enjoy that we have the space, the topical conversations now, though. And, yeah, as I would love to hear what you guys think. I am holding out for humanity and that I'm hoping this isn't going to be a cycle that we see again and again and again. But I fear you may be right, but I would be interested to see where everybody lands on that and see what they think. Like do you think is this going to keep getting worse Is this just us now?

We don't deserve nice things We don't we really don't Honestly Easter's cat, fuck Christmas None of you can have it None of you deserve it Your chocolate advent candle Every day you're going to open it

Empty Because you just don't deserve it How dare you Oh my God It's quite right What's a cruel thing to bestow on Oh how dare you I can think of no better fitting punishment

Gross Right Okay guys Yeah sorry it's a bit heavy but like I said necessary and we will see you on Monday love you thank you so much for listening should I delete that is part of the Acast creator network