Should I Delete That? - Is It Just Me: You literally can’t do it all

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Lucky you - it’s another episode featuring husky Alex! It’s all been A LOT lately, so in this week's IIJM we lift the lid onto how much we’re literally hanging on by a thread. We’ve been working hard getting our body image series ready for the new year - so today we have a chat about putting pressure on ourselves, our organisational styles and how we cope working so closely together. It turns into a bit of a therapy session...We have an awkward all the way from Cape Town, a deep chat about animal hybrids and we ponder how far the human species would have got if it was made up of only Als and Ems (spoiler alert: probably not far)Do you a have an Is It Just Me or an awkward for us? Email us on [e-mail]!Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That? is produced by Faye Lawrence Music by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to Should I Delete That? I'm... I'm Alex Light. You're not better. I'm not better. This might be a pre-recorded episode. You give the game away. Guys, okay, fine.

Should we pull the curtain down? Let's let's let them know. Let's lift the lid. Guys, last Thursday's episode, we recorded it like two minutes ago. We're really sorry. We don't like to do it. this. I'm so pregnant. Listen to our voice. She's so pregnant. We've got so much to do to get as ready for the Matt Leave series. This is just a necessity. We're hanging on by a fucking thread. And I feel

that you know that. I feel like everybody knows that because we keep like I just, our social media presence, dire. Oh my God. Yeah, we, I know what you're going to say. About like a couple of Tuesdays ago. No, what? Oh, okay. Don't mind. As you were. No, no, what are you going to say? I put up some stories about like having like last Tuesday not going so great and then I looked on Instagram and your stories were like basically we are just moaning Myrtles. We are just the moniest. We are the worst.

Normally it's fine because I bring the cheer but I have no cheer. So now we're just both moaning. I actually feel like I've been pretty good at not moaning. I've done like one story. But like considering how much I, my life is not actual fire. You're good at being more. talking more about it, I think, online.

I still feel like I'm worried about doing it because it'll piss people off. I've got very comfortable talking about being unhappy. I cannot believe how nice people are being. Good, so you should. It's weird, isn't it? I keep waiting for everyone to be like, fuck off, I hate you.

And they just haven't said it yet. You could always tell about how my life's going, if you look up my grid, and you see how many podcast episodes are there in a row. Okay, I didn't want to bring this up, but now you have so I will because I actually noticed that this morning on the way into the studio

because I accepted the collaboration post and I thought that's funny not that long ago Alex promised us 30 days of body image did you have to and where the fuck is it

we got to do I think I did four I was going to give you the better for the down go up to five is that I didn't specify consecutive days so what you've promised people is that over the next few years of your career,

you will endeavour to continue making content in the same space as the content that you've historically made. Correct. I like it. Yeah. There's a note there about reading the T's and Cs. You know what? I had good intentions and then everything went to shit.

We got the norovirus. Tommy is giving us every bug under the sun. Since I gave birth, I'll be a kid pregnant. I have zero immune system. I catch everything from him. Dave catches. about like 30% I catch everything from him I've got no like no defense anymore we're always fucking sick so he's never sleeping therefore I'm never sleeping and oh wow god you've unleashed a

beast and I feel like you could just put a fast forward on this but it's like time yeah yeah yeah or like skip to it you know like on TV there's skip to me talking again again again we can put a timestamp at the bottom for when this hits ended yeah yeah and it's just all And then this series, which has become so much bigger than we ever anticipated, which is amazing. And it's something, I actually think I'm more proud of this than like anything else. Yeah.

I'm more excited about this, but it's a lot of work. It has caused so, like, it's been mad. I've put some, I let go last Tuesday after we were in here and I had my bad day. I just let go and I feel a lot better since I let go. I felt like I was really holding under some control there. Last Tuesday, I can't remember. It was like the day that, like,

my world got easier because I was like I've been really like stressed about it I think because like I've got the when you when you're pregnant and you're self-employed like you've just got I mean I imagine it's not just for self-employed people but you've got a ticking time bomb you've shipped to get done and having done it before I know what I want this time I want a break after she's one which we didn't yeah I didn't really have last time I came back so fast and the reason I came back is because we hadn't prepared for me to have that much time off and I didn't want I don't like the not having the plan in place and I don't like the week on week or like... Uncertainty. Yeah, uncertainty. So this time I was like, I know what I want. But getting us there has been... It's just so much work. I think we never anticipated this many guests.

I think the guests has been, has really, like, prolonged everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because initially we were just going to do... It was going to be like four-parter, this body image series, four parts. And I don't even think we initially started with guests. No. And then we're like, oh, my God, we should speak to him. We should speak to her.

Oh, my God. And now we probably... Oh my God, we must have up like 20 guests. Yeah, at least. And we've, yeah, yeah. Which is so cool. It's so good. It's so good.

We've had some very interesting conversations. It is the best work we've done with this pod for sure. And it's like, we're really hoping that it does well because, or there's interest in it, because it's something that we'd like to do more of. I think we'd have just given, and we will get it done and it will be really good. And obviously, we've got, thank God for Faye and X. And actually, thank God for everyone because it's just been like such a team effort. but also yeah hopefully it's something we can do more of but I think I just haven't been doing

that well on it because I put so much pressure on myself honestly I need like I need proper therapy there's something wrong with me it's mad I know I've it's weird isn't it yeah this series I feel like has been like a yeah but I've put it down to you having less control in other areas of your life and sort of putting the focus on this is like this is one thing that You have to control. And I've always had my system, and I know it's not a great system. Just the way that I operate is like, it's like ADHD or whatever. But it's like I'm, and you're the same in that we can go, we work very differently,

but our kind of main objective is close to the wire. Like we're both very good. It's like we will get the job done. Like we will get it done. And I think I've got this like risk. Obviously they tell me how they're monitoring the end of my pregnancy now. And there's like, I am just not well and I'm getting sicker. And this iron thing is so annoying.

And like you say, like I don't have any. control over my health and it's like like I could go into labour tomorrow which obviously I hope I won't but also like I could be bed bound tomorrow yeah and it's like so I've put this pressure on myself because normally it's like well I'll get it done I know the deadline and I'm like but the deadline is yeah is not set anywhere and this is close to the wire we've left it quite late we've left we've left it quite late yeah and it's just I don't think we've left it late it's just it's gone on for longer than we I was one of those people though like I hated myself like the doctor said to me at my last appointment he was like we were doing my blood

and I've got to have this other infusion and he was like, you need to rest and I was like, no, can do. And I was like, who do I think I am? Like, because he's like, well, what do you do? I was like, I'm too important. I'm too important to rest. I host a podcast.

Like, I can't rest. I host a podcast. But you are funny and like, I, you know, I've said to you a few times like, Fay and I will pick it up. Like, whatever is not done, we will pick it up. I don't like that. I like to have pulled my own weight.

I don't want things to have been done for me. Do you know what I mean? Because I know myself, I know when she's here, I'll just feel guilty that I didn't get my bit done before. If it's all done and we're all done, I won't feel any guilt. But if you guys are working, when I'm not working, oh, no, I'll just come back. But you've called your weight with, like, the initial, like, tons of writing. No, it doesn't work like that to me.

It doesn't work like that. Like, I know myself, I know when she's here, if you guys are working, I'll be like, I should be at work, I should be at work, I should be at work. So I also know that if we do the work now, then you won't be doing that, then I won't have that guilt. That's been the thing to my head. We just won't tell her. Well, that was what I let go last Tuesday, because I was. I did realize, I cried the whole way home, and then I was like, we aren't going to get this done in the way that I want it done.

Yeah, it's not going to be wrapped up with a bow. No. But we'll get what, and then I made, and then I sat with myself and I made like, and I spoke to you and I was like, this is what I need to be done. Yeah. And then I can leave the rest to you. Yeah. And that was very healthy.

But Jesus, yeah, I got myself into a state with it. I do get it. I do get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's mad. The pressure, like, yeah, the pressure that like having a kid, like, I don't know, the maternity leave,

it's very interesting. It's like, you know, you don't want to believe that we're in a world that, like, leaves women behind and that whatever. But it's like, you do. You have to take a back seat. Yeah. And I'm really proud of my career and I'm really proud of my work. And we've had this conversation so many times. You just literally can't do it all.

Especially recently, you've been counselling me on this. Oh, yeah. Because it's canceling you. I was like, oh, nice. Cancelling. Cancelling. That too. Feel free to cancel me.

I think we can like lift the lid on this as well. and like it has like, this has been stressful, this period. Yeah. And like working together like this and so intensely, it can be stressful. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And there's like, like, like, with this series, like, I just, I feel like I haven't had the capacity.

Yeah. And you've understandably needed the capacity. Yeah. And it's been, it has been really. But I also know you don't have the capacity. This is a really interesting thing. And I think we wouldn't have known this, have we not both had children. Yeah.

But you just know, I know where you are, because I've been where you are. So it's like when you couldn't do it, it's not, like, I don't sit there being like, oh, God, she's not doing it. Yeah, like, come on Al. It's more like, my frustration is at the situation that it's just like, we do not have enough hours in the day to get this done because we both have so many other commitments. And it's just like it's such a juggle and it's such like a funny thing to talk about. It's hard though, isn't it? Because I know you're not thinking that, but I'm thinking that. Well, that's what I'm thinking about me being in January when I'm going to be off.

It's me thinking like, well, they're going to think that I'm like this and I'm not doing enough and blah, blah, blah. Isn't that funny? Because I want you to be free in January. Yeah, yeah. And I don't want to be, I don't want you to be breaking your back now because you've got enough on your plate. It's a conversation that I'm having so many of my friends because, like, if you want to have kids, this is just, it's just how it is. Yeah. Like, things have to.

And I was actually at the lock's time dinner at the other week I was talking to someone about this because they were like, how do you, I don't know, I'm making it into a therapy session for me and you are our relationship. but someone was like how do you cope working so closely together I was like actually I think I think it works really well yeah it does considering how closely yeah how intensely how much content we produce and how much how involved we are and how involved we are and we're friends yeah which is the other thing and so and I think sometimes that's the bit probably that suffers the most is our friendship it's like we're only talk when we're recording because we don't have time to talk about other stuff

but it's also the added thing is like you're managed by my husband Like we are all so close If we fall out It's an absolute shit show It will be Faye and X are like Oh god, don't fall out Signs will be there

Like we've got to keep this going We've built the studio We've just got to get over where It comes up Yeah, whatever I think we've learned to work very well together though We've learned each other's We really know each other's

Strengths And weaknesses Yeah And I think We know when the other we can see into each other's lives enough to know like that it's when when we're struggling or whatever and I mean it's because it's three years now I know yeah it's nice and there's really intense three years that's like intense three years as well it's

like it's funny now in an interview like I know what a question you're going to ask before you ask it yeah same it's yeah it's good it's nice yeah it is really it is it's intense so I know but I know a lot of people like who don't have podcast friends like who don't who don't have work friends like people in our space don't have friends and it's like sorry colleagues we're very lucky to have each other in that regard yeah for sure but i see the one thing that is a bit weird though it's like the way that i've always worked i think i've changed how i've worked since i've had arlo like i've become a lot more organized you are so much more organized which is weird though isn't it because i feel like we're still adjusting to my change in the

dynamic because you've changed in terms of you're much more relaxing you've ever been i'm far less organized and i'm much more organized than i've ever been and that's been really like just funny to shift us like it's so true you are so much more organized and I'm so yeah it's weird isn't it yeah but it's a weird but motherhood makes you what you it pulls from you I think or parenthood pulls pulls from you what yeah you know like we've been in survival I had to get more organized boy Alex is still not used to how organized I am now he's like I was with a woman for 10 years who is now organized like for 10 years like I opened a brown envelope for the DVLA this week.

Fuck. Voluntarily. I saw it on the desk and I thought, no. Honestly, I saw it on the desk and I thought. Was it a speeding fine? Oh, no, thank God. No, if I get another, I can't talk about speeding fight. I can't.

I'm not in the market for another speeding ticket, if I'm on it with you. But I just thought, I can't ignore this. I have to go. Just open the post, Em. So I just opened it. What the fuck? This is major growth. I know.

But I just, you just have to do stuff now. You can't just kick stuff down the road because it's all got consequences. I've become the opposite. My head is like, it's firmly gone into the sand. Yes, weird, isn't it? Jen came around to my house the other day and, like, I've always been so anal, like, so organised. Everything is so organised. She looked around and she was like, I've never seen you like this.

It's just like, oh, is everything okay? And I was like, I don't know. Do you feel in any way that it's better? Or is it all better before? Like the system, I mean, not like your life. I don't think either way is good. before it was too much now it's too little

like I feel like I don't have a grasp of my life I think I'm the same though with the organising I need to let some more stuff go I think I've gone too far to the other side I think I'm now controlling

so much yeah and also because I still don't write anything down the roller decks in my head just never stops I know and it stresses Alex out but it's like because we work together now

I hold on to everything because I just retain a lot of information so I know every date we've got in the studio booked in. I've known since September every date off the top of my head and pretty much who's coming on what day. I know what ads I've got, what day they're all due. I know, I literally know my whole calendar to my brain, which is probably not great. I don't have a fucking clue. No, it's not, it's bad. I know this week, like, our diary is so full this week. And me and Alex went through it this morning

and I could do it all off my head and he was reading his phone. Like, what the hell? It's so, it's, it's not great. Christ. I've even set up another, I've set up a business banking account where I can start doing all my, I've, I've got different pots for all my money and I started investing and it's weird. If I didn't have a calendar, you'd never see me. No, I believe that. You would never see it? I believe that with my whole heart. Like these studio days, they wouldn't happen with me. Like you'd be it, I wouldn't be here. Yeah, no, I can believe that. Yeah. If it's not written down, it's gone. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah, I think there's probably some balancing on both sides. Maybe we're just turning into each other. Do you think maybe we spent so much time together?

I wouldn't, probably, I wonder if, like, if we strip everything away, like all of our experience, everything, I wonder if we're the same up, because I am at heart an extremely disorganized, chaotic person. My brain is like, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping. And there's no. And that's how I used to live until I realized that it was really, like, it was at the detriment of everything around me. Yeah. So I put stuff in place and it snowboard and then I started to put it in place. Too much in place. Everywhere. Yeah. And I had to control everything. That's what I'm, finding like with motherhood now, like when one domino falls, that's, yeah. Everything's going to shit and it's scary because it's like, that is at the heart of me is who I am, is very disorganized. It's very unorganized. Do you think at my heart I'm very unorganized? Yeah.

Sorry. I don't think so. I think I'm, I don't know. I'm feeling, I don't feel aligned with that anymore. Like if you said that two years ago, I'd be like, yeah. Yeah, I don't feel aligned with that persona anymore. Like I felt, I really would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. My whole life was chaos.

chaos. I was the most chaotic person I knew. And I don't, I don't feel like that anymore. Good. Well, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's weird though, reestablishing your relationships, like with the people that you, with the people that you know, like with you and with boy Alex. Yeah. You guys both have an idea of how I work in your heads. So you adjust how you work. But I've changed how I work now. So it is different. Like I think that's like, like some things I'm like, oh, you know, like some things I'm like. I probably won't see that or like I probably won't get to see that or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all over. And you reply and I'm like, oh, yeah, I know. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah. And then there'd be some stuff that I would always leave and I'd be like, oh, I'll, like, that's Al's area.

And then I'd be like, no, she's snowed under. Like, she probably hasn't. No, she probably hasn't. And I'm like, oh, yeah, she hasn't. Which is weird because there's some stuff that you would have done like years in advance. Sometimes you send me the caption at like 7.59 on a Monday morning. I'm like, what time do you call this? Where have you been?

Sorry. are okay it's funny isn't it though like we have changed this is freaky Friday yeah they're making a second freaky Friday is it Lindsay Lohan yeah yeah yeah yeah and Jamie Lee Curtis oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I have an awkward in the inbox hi Alex it feels weird saying hello to yourself when you start reading it out so I don't love that I'm just gonna I think you have a fly on your oh god no it's makeup it's makeup it's fine Although, can I just say you put on close friends today a photo of Tommy in a rugby shirt

going, oh my God, like when you're away for the weekend and oh my God, what's Dave dressed Tommy in? And I was like, that is literally a baby version of the outfit that you wear every single day. You're like, I can't believe Dave's dress Tommy in it. I was like, he looks so funny in it though. You look so. Oh, my God.

Okay, awkward. Hi, I'm Alex and The Whole Shadow Delete. that team course love the pod listen all the way from Cape Town South Africa wow I know every time

I open the Spotify and see the little dot next to your podcast my heart sings oh sweet hot let's do a show there without a one listener

out we've just talked about like like the heavy heavy weight on us right now we are barely hanging on by a thread I don't think

either of a flight to South Africa right now I was being impulsive you're the most impulsive person that hasn't gone anywhere

the lack of impulse control I have an awkward story for you that just doesn't land here in CPT I have to tell someone and thought Cape Town I have to tell someone and thought you two would find it funny I own a fashion rental company

here in South Africa think like her or buy a rotation but South African yesterday I was helping two customers try on their rentals and when it came to the time to pay our machine was taking ages so I tried to make small talk as you do

they both had strong accents So I asked them whether they lived in the city or they were just visiting, etc. Then I asked, what do you guys do for a living? The first one replied, I worked remotely for Maltese's. I was super enthusiastic. I launched into a story about how I'm from the UK

and I love and miss Maltzes so much of my whole being. She looked confused so I continued. The South African version, chuckles. It's just not the same, which is a crime to say because they are a national treasure here, literally. The carbon machine was still loading, so I continued, I love anything malt-flavored like Horlicks, which you can't get here either.

She smiled at me, and left without saying anything else, not a single word. Afterwards, my team member came to me and asked, why are you talking to that customer about chuckles? To which I responded confidently that the customer worked for the British version of chuckles. She said, no, Tash, they work for a Maltese company, as in the place, Malta, the country in Europe. This happened 24 hours ago and I'm still cringing. She must have thought it was a crazy malt addict.

Well, she had no idea what I was talking about. I'm not sure what she was. Bless her. Firstly, Malteseers are the most superior chocolate. The fact that they've never made, two things. Fegan Maltisers is a tragedy, why not? Two, they're Malt in Maltzes. I don't know what Malt is.

I didn't even know that was a thing. Malt, like single malt whiskey. It's the only context of, I know it. Like Borson. I don't know, she said it's in Horlicks. In Faye's nodding. What? What is malt, though?

Oh, oh. It's a germinated, that's horrible. A germinated cereal grain that has been dried in a process known as malting. Oh my God, of course. We are actually the biggest idiots ever. Why? Well, just because of course. Like malt. Like malt.

Like the crop. Yeah, we're idiots. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.

We are stupid, stupid people. I have a bone to pick with you. Oh, no. We had a conversation off air and the word liger came up. Liga? Liger. Like a tiger and a lion? I said a mix between a tiger and a lion

and you went, I'm not doing this with you right now and then I was like I've fucked up obviously it's not a mix between a tiger and a lion it's some like

mythical creature or whatever and it is a mix between a tiger and a lion and I would like a formal apology I'm really sorry that's okay are they real like are they all right

yeah? No, sorry they're quite expensive but like are they probably not has it got the big hair they're probably very beautiful I imagine so

species are very beautiful in their own right oh gosh I've got another awkward they are it's nice to recognise that a donkey's real or Deborah's

oh my god they're beautiful no they're not as beautiful as what I just thought they're funny little things they're like stocky and stout yeah people have described

me like that before can you just Google and see if a zonki's real a what a zonky zebra's donkey oh my god that are the cutest things

I want that so that I worry that they're not okay either. I didn't think you could do this. I want to stop there being like a lumen or like a... A dooman, a dog human. Yeah, I mean, oh my God. It's probably because they're super close in like DNA, right? Like, zebras and donkeys. Humans and monkeys are quite close.

What would happen there? A lions and tigers both cats. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's why. Big cats. Yeah, but what happens is like... So maybe if they find like a different kind of species of human.

I wonder where they're... A subset. Yeah, like monkeys. Oh my God, can you? Can you breed humans and monkeys? Can you breed humans and monkeys? Not ethically. Humans and monkeys.

AI tells us that it's unlikely that humans and monkeys can be bred to create a true hybrid. A true hybrid. But scientists have been able to. You can get a fake, good knockoff. But scientists have been able to combine human and monkey cells to create embryos. Wow. I wonder which bits of which you'd get. I genuinely.

Sorry, last thing. They could potentially be used to grow human-compatible organs for transplantation. No, no, no, ethically horrific. Did you ever see the film called The Island? Asking the wrong people. This is mostly for the listeners. Did you guys ever see the film called The Island? Okay, so it's got Scarlett-Hansson and a man who's good-looking, but I can't remember who it was.

Just one of the good-looking men. And, oh, is it Ben Affleck? I'll Google it. Anyway, and the idea is, it's based on... Ewan McGregor. You and McGregor. God, he is a dish, isn't he? Underrated.

Yeah, very much. They're hanging out there and basically it's this dystopian reality where they were made by the super rich people clones, they were clones of people who were out there in the real world and they all lived in this space and when they won their trip to the island

they would go and they were basically indoctrinated to believe they were going to this island paradise awaited them and they'd go and it turns out they were actually just going to have their organs harvested for like their rich person who'd cloned them I'm going to watch that It's such, it's old, it's such a good film.

But the future is closer than what we're thinking. It's not great, is it? No. Like, that's rough. I know, but I do think, why can't we just make more like, you know what? Like, we need a kidney and stuff. And like, someone has to give you their kidney. Like, if you need a kidney.

Let's just grow them. Yeah, wouldn't they be useful if we could just grow them. We've got 3D printers now. Yeah. I don't see why. No, to be honest, I was actually sat next to a guy at dinner the other day who worked in the 3D printing industry and he was telling me how hard it is to print a helmet, so I'm not sure it would be...

There is nothing I understand less than 3D printing. I feel like the thing you would understand less than 3D printing is the idea of 3D printing a kidney. I feel like that would be an incredibly complex thing. I'd argue it's the same thing, but yes. No, no, no. I'd say there's a difference between 3D printing a cup and a kidney. Why, though?

Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Functionality alone. More materials involved. Way more materials. More. intricacy involved? A bit.

However, how the fuck are you making something out of nothing? Oh my God. We make things out of nothing all the time. But also, a cup's only got to be a cup. You can make a cup and it's like, oh look, I've got this cup that will just last, you know, I'm just going to put stuff in it and then pour stuff out of it. Cup. Kidneys, like, I need it plugged in everywhere.

It needs to do all this kidney stuff, like process, all this stuff. Yes. And keep my person alive. It's got to fit just right. Right. Kidneys, carps. Very complicated. Hugely complicated. I think all the time that, you know, like humans are so incredible for innovation.

Look what we've done over the millions of years. It's insane. But if all humans that ever existed have been like me, we wouldn't, well, we wouldn't be here, actually. Not a chance in hell. I wouldn't have been able to invent anything. No innovation from me. It would be really sad. You'd have starved.

I think it would have. You wouldn't have been able to cook any. You'd have died of hunger. with me and my breeder. If we just had loads of ems and Alexes, there would be spot a wasteland. Roads, buildings, the bicycle, the telephone. I can get on that, that least of my worries.

Architecture, I feel like we could get that. No, no, because eventually you'd be like, oh, this is annoying. I'm being rained on. Wouldn't it be good if there was some shelter or some kind? Like, I feel that we'd get there. I just die from wetlands. No, I think we'd get, I think we'd find some resources. I think where we'd probably go.

Where we'd really, really struggle would be if something went wrong medically. I think it would be curtains. I'd just be not a chance. I see you being more, having more initiative than me. I see that too. I see you surviving longer. Yeah, but I've said this. Whether we'd have made it here, I don't know,

but you'd be surviving longer than me. I would have no, I've said it before. I've got no interest in surviving in a world that isn't this exact version. Like, I don't want to not have coffee. I don't want to not have a memory phone mattress. Like, I don't want to live in a world where that's just not. I don't want to have to, like, heat my own world.

No, I'm a convenience. I don't want to live in a world without electricity. I like heating. Interestingly, apparently one of the theories behind us having this, like, huge collective depression, one of the theories behind it is that humans are, like, built for labour. like manual labour. That's why I run marathons. You just got to pick your labour.

You've got to pick your struggle. But like people were happy when they had to like wash their own clothes, like make their own butter. I don't know. You only have the scientist word for it. Like I think if you got that person and it was like, hey, like you like, you know, they say you're really happy making butter. Do you think you might be like a bit happier if you just had like a block of it in the fridge?

They'd probably be like, oh yeah, no, that does actually sound like I, that does sound better. Just feel like they just like, but we could never go bad to that because obviously like there's they didn't have the pressure that we have all these pressures because we have so much convenience yeah we're expected to do so much I would argue that if I had to be depressed anywhere I'd rather be depressed in a convenient and comfortable space fully agree like I can sit on this sofa and I can order food I am the most yes I am the happiest customer of the first world and all the privileges that it affords me in the whole wide world so much as to say I have to go and make my own

discomfort pregnancy aside i have to go and like do horrible exercises to make myself uncomfortable thus keep depression at bay what the fuck that's a what a weird way that i have chosen to live yeah i'm going to sit with all these comfortable commodities and make me miserable so i'm going to go out there and in order to to make depression away i'm going to hurt myself physically that's why people do a lot of the things they do with yeah well physical challenges yeah pushing them to the edge mentally, physically, sorry. I'm ticking some boxes here. That sounds about right for me.

Maybe that's why you're all miserable. Maybe there's something to be said for a marathon, triathlon. Maybe that's why you're miserable. I just get so uplifted, honestly, doing this podcast. You made me feel great. Should we find something horrible for you to do to make you feel better? Maybe you're too comfortable out Maybe it's all the electricity in your house

Maybe that's why it's all so hard I often wonder Yeah Maybe we should find something To make it all a bit worse Well on that note Should I call the grid and get your power cut off See if that cheers you up, Penny

Imagine I could just I could go off grid And become a trad wife You'd be dead You and Dave and the baby You'd all be dead yeah not a chance no first dinner

empty tummies I was going to say I'm a quick learner but no you're not you've also not got the initiative famously so what you need to paste no butter for us sorry dry toast also how are you making toast with what malt what's malt you know

how we're doing that germinating don't know what that is I don't even know what that's had a chance you can't even eat like nothing that I would have want to eat would grow organically where I'd want to be that would be annoying. I like carrots. If you have to plant them, they don't just grow.

Oh no, fuck that. Wait, wait. Do they just grow? Unch. No. But, like, do we, have we made carrots? Yeah, no, we have. No, no, I think carrots are a man-made vegetable.

Yeah, like, if you just went to, like, some wasteland somewhere, there's not just going to be carrots everywhere, are they? But there would be bananas. Carrots are man-made. Wow. The fuck? I know. The fuck.

I know. The fuck? I know. Carrots are man-made? Mm-hmm. We've done this before, you know. We've never known that carrots were man-made. Yeah.

Because I can, but bananas aren't and coconuts, they live in trees. All the stuff that grow on bushes. What about broccoli? Sweet corn, considered man-made crop because it only exists in cultivation. What? I think, I'm pretty sure broccoli's man-made, hang on. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, broccoli's completely man-made.

Okay, berries aren't, because they grow on trees. Coconutes aren't grow on trees. Pineapples? I don't think, I don't think growing on trees are there. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. I feel like berries are fine.

Berries are magic. Oh, yeah, berries are not my mate. Yeah, no, no, no, that's why they're everywhere. Oh, there's any stuff that comes up the ground. Yeah, like if you're walking through the woods, you'd be like, oh, look a berry. Or like, if you're walking through the tropics, you'd be like, oh, look a banana in that tree. But you're never going to walk around. Be like, oh, look, a carrot on the floor.

But surely you can print a, plant a tree. No, hang on. What do you mean plant a tree? With what? To make something. Well, yeah, but how are you going to make what you're going to make? How did it? Sorry, they've been eating carrots for ages

Who just made a carrot And then made more I don't understand How do you keep making cats How do you make carrots? I don't understand I'm really upset They've been having carrots for ages Al

But what do they make them out of? What's the fuck? DNA, oh God But like Henry VIII wasn't like synthesizing things He was just eating I hate to leave us

With more questions than when we started. But... I felt that we didn't stop for this when God did his seven days. First, there was the sun. What about the vegetables? Where did they come from, you know?

We've got to go. I'm going to learn, and I'll come back with some more information. Can't wait. Thanks for being with us, guys, for another truly chaotic episode. We love you,

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