Should I Delete That? - Just Us: Em lost her job, Bonnie Blue’s petting zoo and plastic surgery normalisation

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Em’s back from her holiday… and a LOT happened while she was away. Be prepared to be witness to a very stressful succession of events…We also discuss the proliferation of celebrity hair extensions, Kylie Jenner’s apparent transparency about her cosmetic procedures and the complicated question of Bonnie Blue’s petting zoo. We want to know where you guys land on Bonnie Blue - send us a DM or an email on [e-mail] We’re heading to Edinburgh for our biggest live show ever. We’ll be taking over the iconic Usher Hall for one night only on 3rd September. Head to SIDTLive.com for more information and to purchase tickets. We'll try our best to not get a puncture on the way...Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That is produced by Faye LawrenceStudio Manager: Dex RoyVideo Editor: Celia GomezSocial Media Manager: Sarah EnglishMusic: Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, well, welcome to bachelor to meet that. I'm excited. I'm McClach's and then you've got really long hair. I've got really long hair. It looks so good. Which is the source of my awkward actually. Oh, good. Let's go. Because obviously it's a bit of a talking point because I have got long, like really long hair, like long hair than I've ever had. And obviously far longer than my natural hair. So it's obviously like I'm aware that I've got different hair.

Uh-huh. And I was with a group of girls. Mm-hmm. And someone said, I love your hair. And I said, thank you. Mm-hmm. And I realized it wasn't for me. Compliment was not for me.

You just assumed because your hair was so stunning. I know. I was like, thank you. I've got the nicest hair here. It can't be for anyone else. How horrible is that? Oh, God. How, how, how into, like, do you know what?

It's rare that, like, I blush red, that, like, I blush anymore. So, so rare. How nice. I went scarlet. And I couldn't. hide it either because I was just like, that is so embarrassing. How nice was the girl's hair who was supposed to receive the compliment? Far nicer. Far nicer than my hair. Oh gosh. How horrible is that? I know. I literally wanted to die. I was like, that's so embarrassing. And that was at the

hendee you were in Paris? Yeah. Did the compliment come in French or? The compliment was in English, unfortunately. Didn't even want it anyway. The second language of mine. Horrible. Hit me. With what? Good or a bad or awkward. Whatever you want. So much to tell you. So many things. I'm just going to barrel a barrel through. Well, because I went away.

I went on holiday. You did. I went to Twitter. Great. I have some things to share. I just have to get them off my chest. Okay, please. Well, first of all, I lost my job while we were away.

You are? I lost my job. What do you mean? Got locked out my Instagram. Oh, you did get locked out your Instagram. You were my night in shining armour. I was very stressed for you. You were.

You were more stressed than me at points, I think. But you did the most. Thank you so much. Um, that was hell of stressful. Oh my God. I, I can't even imagine. I got locked out once and I got hacked and I was, I was like beyond stressed. I can't stress how little of a fuck my family gave.

I was obviously all holiday with them and I was like, guys, like it's fine. But also like, I have a mortgage and like, it's my whole job. And like my husband's my manager. So it's kind of like the lively like, oh, kids are going to starve. Like, this is my whole business. Like, it's fine because it's just a silly social media app. But also, fuck. And they were like, oh, cool, yeah.

Do you want to play Boggle? I was like, no, I don't want to play Boggle. But you were locked out for ages. I was locked up for five days in the end. And at the beginning, okay, I'm just going to, like, I just need to get this off my chest, okay? Because you can't moan on Instagram because you just sound like an asshole. But I feel like I can do it here within the same space, okay?

Had an amazing time. We hold space for you. Thank you. It was incredible. Yeah. It was some really good friend's wedding. So Alex was an Asha. The girl, Arlo was a flower girl.

Looked gorgeous. It was stunning. But you know what it's like. Like when one of you was in the wedding, well, particularly when you've got kids, when one of you was in the wedding, the other one is on the kids. Like that's kind of the...

So obviously Alex was an usher, so it's like the kids were my kids. Like they were my problem. Yeah. So I had both of them. We were in Italy, you know, it was a little bit hectic. It was fine, but it was hectic.

And it was fun, but it was hectic. On the Friday, on the way to the wedding, we were driving, we got a puncture. Not like a little puncture, like a dramatic puncture, wheel off puncture of the rental car. Okay. I was like, I have no car.

So I was like, okay, no idea. Like, it's fine, it's fine. It's fine. It's like, because it's like our best friend's wedding. I was like, it's fine. You know, puncture. Fuck it. So that was like Friday evening.

Did the, had the drinks of the wedding. Alex was out. He had to sleep on this. There wasn't a bed for him. Fine. Fine, fun, fun. I was in bed with both the girls. And then I got a suspicious log in on my Instagram.

And I was like, okay. Not fine. Alex was out. He was out at the ushers, you know, like grooms dinner before. And I was in bed with both the girls. I was like, no, I'm going to break out, it's fine. Trying to deal with it, could have deal with it. And it was like, okay, log that person out.

And I was trying to text Alex, because he's in my Instagram as well. I was like, can you just see if it's my phone or if it's like, he was obviously drunk at dinner? He's like, oh, seven courses in. I was like, right, never mind. So I had to kick everybody out of the account because I got a suspicious login from London. I was obviously in Estuni in Italy. So I was like, right, I need to kick that person out, whoever it is. Kicked them out and they were like, you need to change your password.

How can you kick them out? When you go into your accounts, you can see all the people that are logged in. And I have my computer logged in. I have Alex logged in. I have me logged in. Like, which, you know, belts and braces and whatever. So I had lots of people logged in. I'd give my login to anyone who wants it, really.

And so I kicked everybody out. But then it wouldn't let me back in again. And it just wouldn't recognize the password. And I was just out. Like it was just, it was just gone. That is so scary. kicked Alex out, everything. And it was like, okay, we've got really important wedding tomorrow.

So fuck it. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. So like Saturday, had the day. Again, a bit hectic because no car. by myself with the kids, hot, trying to get everyone ready for the wedding. Arlo was crying. It was a lot.

We delayed the whole wedding, actually, because I couldn't get Arlo. We all went in, like, sort of took-tooks to the wedding. It was so cool. And Arlo was losing her mind, would not be put down. I had to just give my other baby to someone else. And I couldn't fold the buggy down. I actually felt like a dad because I couldn't fold the buggy down. And when I finally did, after watching a YouTube tutorial, everyone gave me a round of applause,

which was embarrassing. Got to the wedding, still no Instagram. had an amazing time at the wedding. No Instagram, no biggie. Didn't need to take any pictures but it was actually quite freeing. Sunday morning, my ring my most sentimental, special thing that I own.

I look down at my hand at breakfast. I'm trying to feed Arlo and I see my ring is missing. This is a ring that Alex gave me when Zanthi was born and it was like the most special thing I own probably. And when I tell you, we looked for like four hours in blisterings. You should see my back. It's actually like I've never been someone really, not like this. But like I'm covered in burn.

Looking for hours and hours and hours. And actually, by some miracle, Alex found it. Why? Why did you find it? Well, that morning, sorry, I'm really just talking your ear off here. But I went, we had an odd deal. Someone from the car rental company came to fix the car. Or so I thought I rang them.

And I was like, got a flat tire, will you help? I got two babies, it's hot. And they're like, yeah, yeah, sure. And then they came. And then no English, which is fair enough. I had to speak Italian. A bit of a language barrier. But I said, where's the new car?

And he was like, no. No new car. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, it's Sunday. I was like, yeah. But like, what do you mean? And he basically said, I can go to the airport. And he was like, you can go to the airport and see if they'll do you another one.

But it's Sunday. I'm like, you're making me so. My anxiety is through the room. He took the car away. I still had no Instagram, but he took the car away. Okay. Then left me with no car. Then I was looking for the ring.

And I didn't even give a shit about the car because I'd lost the ring. And then anyway, Alex, by some miracle, found the ring in the gravel. where I'd got off the coach and I'd obviously had to get out the coach at like 1am when I'd brought the kids home and I had literally both because I came back by myself left Alex on the dance floor

came back with the buggy the bags both babies one under each arm and obviously it'd come off like when I was trying to get the buggy or something anyway and like I need to get it resized obviously but yeah so he found it on the gravel

which is like literally a miracle because you know that feeling when you just lose something special and I just I was genuinely devastated It's terrible. Still no Instagram. Anyway, like everything turned back around. And I did think, this all happened over the weekend.

No one's going to get back in touch and help me get into my Instagram. How many people did we email? You found so many emails for me. Has anyone actually replied? No one replied. Still no one replied. Not one person. No, Alex found maybe like 15, you, Alex found 15 email addresses for me probably.

I can't believe it. At Meta and nobody replied to me. I can't believe it. So by the end of Monday, because we had quite a lot of addresses in America. So I was like, by, you. end of Monday, they'll all have seen it. Someone will get back to me. And when Monday night came and still no one had, I was like, I can't believe it. Fuck. So then I got really desperate and I cast a very wide net and I literally, I called in some really big favours and I owe some

big bunches of big flowers to big people who did me a big favour. Were you worried that you weren't going to get back? Were you worried that someone was in? No. I just thought by too, so thick fitness, who's a friend of Georgie's, she, Georgie was like, oh, I'll talk to for you and find out what she did because she had her account and had never got back in she never got she of course oh my god i forgot about that she never got back so yeah i was trying really hard to be like oh it's fine it's fine anyway and then tuesday i got it back oh my god this is so scary and i and the way to get like i i i got back in to a journalist contact i have a newspaper who had to use a very specific channel that newspapers have with meta to get me back in and

They did me a really big favour. And I just kept thinking, I was like, oh my God, if I didn't have this, if I didn't have this other part of my job, I would never be back in. It's really scary. For people who, for whom Instagram is their whole job, it's like, fuck. But it's really terrifying how little control we actually have over those accounts that are livelihoods. They're all livelihoods. And how impossible it is to get in touch with anyone from Facebook from meta. Yeah.

It's impossible. It's insane. So that was wild. it was a big five days but also while that endswell apart from the car which I didn't get back not my car not my problem

got my ring back got my job back so whew I was so stress to you Dave kept saying is it back yet is it car or can back yet I was like no

I know it did get a bit when it was a bit like no this is a bit long now this is a bit long and I was just like we went through like different avenues of different people

and different contacts and like I just can't believe no one got back to you that's so crazy we went through a lot and people were really good to us anahart who was on the pod recently yeah she was really good she gave me three email addresses like um um el adams gave us some nothing it's just so mad jenny like we got so many email addresses and i and i really tapped up like everyone i could think of and it was just that's very scary yeah i was trying to get a lawyer by the end by tuesday i was going to talk to a lawyer it's insane oh my god okay yeah nice and forth's break yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

totally oh my god my Instagram froze this morning and I was like well that's it I'm out again and I'm done that's it someone doesn't want me here it's like Harry Potter in the Chamber of Secrets Dobby keeps locking me out well you had an eventful break I did yeah I did but I didn't want to say any of that because it's like son like I'm moaning but like it was a lot that is a lot it was a lot great holiday also just generally going holiday with kids is a lot well ollie was a flower girl at the wedding and she would only go down the aisle after that big tantrum with the tuck-tucks,

she'd only go down the aisle with baby Annabelle, her sinister little doll would go in the flower basket with the petals. So in all their wedding photos, which is going to have, like, Arlo carrying a basket with this doll's head, like, sticking out. Horrible. Yeah, that was going to ruin their vibe.

I look forward to seeing those. Yeah, I'll send them to you. Did you have a nice time while I was away? I did. I mean, it was fine. I have nothing to tell you, really. Got new hair. Did you get nice new hair?

Dexter did you say to me, how did your hair get so long so quickly? That's the most endearing question I've ever heard. It's so nice. Oh, so dex. I love that. To be that innocent.

I know, but it does make me think maybe I, because I always think, well, I shouldn't get extensions because then people will, I don't know what I think. But I'm like,

maybe people will know. See, I just don't think you need extensions. You've got thick hair. I know, but I'm jealous. I want hair like your hair. Like long.

But you could just grow it. You'll just wait for like three or four years. I know, it does say a long time. I know it does so. Sorry. Sorry. If why didn't you just grow yours?

I can't. Mine's too thin to, like, grow it properly. You was just growing so well. Also, I actually didn't go with the intention of getting long hair. It does look so good. I went with the intention of like thickening out my hair and then, I don't know, I got carried away. He was like, you put like 20 inches in and he was like, look at that. And I was like, oh my God. He was like, just have it.

Just go for it. So I was like, okay. It does look so good. It really suits you. It does. It is a confidence boost. Oh, good. It definitely is.

You look fab. I'm really happy that you like it. I do. like it. Don't let all those see it. It's Hadley, it's for anyone who's interested. He does like bonds. So let me see, because we've talked about this for ages.

Can I see where it's connected to your hair? Oh, right, yeah, yeah. Hardly? I mean, like, hardly is in, it looks so natural. Yeah, you wouldn't know, yeah. It is really good. And like, compared to it, because I had them for, like, 10 years when I was younger. And it was just never very good.

Like, he was always, like, as soon as the wind blows. chaos. You just wouldn't know. You just see them. They're very visible. These are great. I have a question. Okay. Is it the case that everyone I see on the internet with good hair has fake hair? Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Because that helps. Yeah. That makes me feel better because I keep being like, why am I the only person that like just can grow their hair? But then I think Steph Ellswood might be the only person with good hair that I can trust. I think every celebrity in the world has extensions. Right. Okay. Well, let's ask stupid questions. But like Kim Kardashian, sure, is it all fake? Yeah. Because sometimes she comes in.

I don't want to sound like Dex, but sometimes it's like to her chin, and then the next week it's like duff to her waist. But that's how she can do it. Fab. So it's Kylie Jenner's. Yeah. So when she puts like good hair day. I mean, I can't say with like total authority, but 99.9% yes, it's all extensions.

A segwayed to something I'm able to talk to you about. You put a story up about this online and I thought we need to talk about this in the podcast. Kylie Jenner's. Kylie Jonas boobies. Yeah. But she's said a fake. Yeah. And we didn't know that they were fake.

because she'd done a, she was on the Kodashans and she said how she got her fake boobs just after having Stormy, her daughter, her first daughter and that she really regretted it. But someone had done a TikTok, a girl done on a TikTok saying like, Kylie, like I just want to know, like your boobs are perfect and I'm going to get mine done

and I just want to know like what size did you get, what material did you get, like what, I don't know, there's like loads of technical stuff that goes into implants obviously. And Kylie Jenner responded. She commented on the video, 445 Cc, moderate profile, half under the muscle, silicone, Garth Fisher, who's her doctor, plastic surgeon. Hope this helps, Loll. Obsessed.

I do think we're at a funny point where it's like, is it good or is it bad? And I don't know. Where we're like, yes, I'm on ozempic. This is what I've had done to my boobies. Hair's fake, Botox here, lip flip. Where we have this, I mean, it's what we've been calling for. So is it a good thing where we have the sort of age of accountability when it comes to tweakments or treatments or whatever because I mean I wonder that there's not an element

with Chris Jenner's entire new face where they're like we can't bullshit you like obviously she's had a facelift so let's just own it. So I did a series of polls about it on Instagram because I was like I mean predictably the internet reaction was like divided obviously some people were like she's a girl's girl this is the ultimate girl's girl move like great good on her like she's like letting us into her like private circle kind of thing and then other people were like she's just promoting plastic surgery and like how many other girls are going to see that and think fuck that now becomes a little bit more accessible to me you know i have absolutely no idea where i land there i don't i actually don't think i land anywhere you know it's going to

float above it for a while i do yeah i yeah i'm hovering yeah good for us oh yeah a lot of people replied to my stories and said well i think it's like it's less relevant in this case because we knew that like it's it's quite obvious that she's had surgeries like if you look at how she used to look and how she looks now it's very of their words not mine but like it's it's obvious that she's altered her body I guess where it matters more and it's a bit more like insidious is celebrities who look and I'm saying this like with a big quote unquote natural um and that's when it's more tricky and I don't know you know actually as I think if I'm going to land somewhere. I do think I'm on the

girl's girl's side. I think I think so too. I think so too. Yeah. Yeah, okay. And I'm like, that girl was going to get her boobs done anyway. She wants to get her boobs done. And she wanted the info. They're going to go and get them. I do think so. I mean, but I know, but I also do think it makes it more

accessible. And I don't think it promotes. I think promote. I think promote is the wrong word, but I think it makes, yeah, it makes it more accessible and it makes it more normalize. It's more normalized, definitely. I think it's all becoming so much more normalized. I mean... Oh, it has done.

It's crazy. Yeah, it's wild. It's crazy. Like, even where I live, like, I was... I mean, you know me. I love a walk. But, like, if you actually, like... It's like every third or fourth building advertises Botox in some capacity now.

Well, yeah, injectables, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, something fun, something, you know, something... Spicy. Yeah, yeah, something expensive. Something invasive. Yeah. And I'm like, okay.

Yeah. It's so normalised. That's just where we are, isn't it? Yeah. And I actually think the, the Kardashian-Generes have contributed to that a lot. Hugely. Yeah. I feel like there's a shift where it's like, we have just got to, like, own this shit now.

Like, I don't think it's a coincidence that we see her new face and, you know, nothing they do is by accident. Nothing they do is not PR'd thought about. I think it feels like there's a very, like, deliberate, like, let's let this is our new era 100% the era that we own it that I have no doubt that that's why carlie jennar has done that yeah for sure yeah it makes her more relatable more likable like like and like hate her as the guy's girl yeah and it's just like look what we do yeah aren't we like look at mum's face and look at my and it's more kind of like yeah because chris jenna replied and was like yes garth fisher the plastic surgeon he's the best he did my first

facelift back in 2011 which obviously implies then that you've had multiple yeah but like she's obviously gone somewhere else with the new one yeah which is immaculate but I do I don't think that like yeah I don't know it's crazy it's a really I do I honestly feel like we're just playing at this point like I just feel like I am in a simulation that I am not convinced this is real life anymore all the loz lind lozzy lindsay Lindsay Lohan stuff like that absolutely pure I can't say that word Fioro. Fioro. Fiora.

That's a different word. Fiora. Don't say stop. Stop saying Furore. Ferreure. Forre. There you go. Thank you, Fé.

As a place, the Ferreiro. As all the Ferreiro Roche around Lindsay Lohan's face. I had me looking at my own face. I'm very close in age to Lindsay Lohan. And she, you know, like, she looks really good. she looks really different like yes she looks so good she looks very different

but it does make you then like question you're I don't know it sort of makes you it gives you a different lens I think when you're looking at yourself in the mirror then I think I've said this before but I genuinely and I think this is a good thing for me

I don't know where I'd start and I think that's a good place to be because I fear when I do start that'll be me gone you'll be like who we'll have to redo all the cover image everything because it'll be like we don't know her

like I think I I'm on a precipice where I'm like, oh, I think I'd get very easily, like, gobbled up by all of it. Do you know what I mean? Because I imagine if you're talking to one person who's like, well, I'm going to do, I'll just do a bit of this. And then we'll just have a bit of that. And then it's like, well, if you're going to have a bit of this, we could just have a, do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Because I keep thinking, I'm like, do I want a lip flip?

I think I want a lip flip. But I think fear is a good thing for me to have. Yeah, I don't, don't get a lip flip. I don't mean that. If you need to get a flip, please get a flip. What's a lip flip in the face of a facelift? Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like the parameters.

Scarely, it's probably more noticeable than a facelift. Oh, I think you'd notice if I had a facelift. I don't think of that such a thing as a plain facelift. Deep plain. No, it's like the technical. Like a plain quassau. Like a plain pizza. It's not an almond.

It's not an almond face lift. Not like a pan of chocolate. Cinnamon bun here. He's got a plainer faceplate. no deep plane to be honest i think they go like they go just before the ears and then they go like super deep into the oh it's horrible into the brain um into the brain just pull it all out and then stitch you back up wow um yeah would it like would i look really good i fear i fear i would look fantastic that's the worry isn't it not no no i don't think you would whatever you're doing right now

no stop what about like now no do i look stunning That's why I tell my hair up so tight. Yeah, people say that, don't they? Yeah, yeah, that's why I do it. But then, I don't want this to be like a toxic episode, you know, because... But what I'm trying to say is, like, it's very easy to, like, then be... I don't know, just look at yourself differently. Oh, God, I just feel like I look so different since having a baby, like...

The algorithm knows I've just had a baby. All it shows me is bounce back. All I'm seeing is, like, how to lose away, what it decides to do, what to eat, like, how to get back. It's literally all I see. It's so, there was peace without Instagram actually for a little bit there because it's so relentless

and it doesn't matter what I consume like I don't seek out that content I don't really engage, I skin past it but it's still it's all that shows me. Yeah, because they know. They know.

When I was pregnant, I kept getting on Facebook, I kept for a peek because I'm an older millennial so Facebook. Do you actually use Facebook? I do, I do really like it.

What do you mean you really like it? Well, I like this is a marketplace. What do you? And I'm in groups like of interest that I have. I'm not going to tell you which ones. But, um.

What do you mean you in Facebook? Hang on. What do you mean you're in Facebook groups? Oh, it's going to make me feel like really weird and old. You're not part of Facebook groups. Faya, you've got Facebook groups? Not since about 2011. Oh, God, okay.

Well, like podcasts that I really love, I join their Facebook groups. It's like, like my own community. Why don't we have a Facebook group? Why haven't you set us? I've mentioned it a few times. You've vetoed it. You said it becomes too toxic, so I left it. Well, I did think that.

Yeah, Facebook groups. Yeah, podcast groups that are like. Actually, one of the best basic groups I ever joined that I'm not part of anymore, but this feels like a bit of a left hand. But when my ex told me that he was gay, I then, I think I was Googling it online, and I just didn't know anything about this,

and I was really confused and obviously upset, and like it was a crazy time. And I found this group, I don't know, maybe I'm not going to say the name, but I found this group for straight partners. Wow. And people who have found out that their partner is gay. Well, that's nice. That's like a ready thing.

And it was the biggest source of like comfort, advice, help, like community. And it helped me so much. I will like always credit them for that. Right. Well, now I feel like a massive asshole. You should. That's really nice. You've got your Facebook friends.

Thank you. Thank you so much. That's, I like that for you. I'm fucking, fuck it. Facebook Marketplace is amazing. No, I can't handle Facebook Marketplace. I've never bought anything on there, but I like looking. Oh no.

We do different things on the internet. I have to say actually the hags have a Facebook page, which is lovely. I just don't use Facebook. I am so scared of Facebook. Why? Well, I think... It depends what groups you're in. Well, I'm not in Facebook groups.

I also had my stalking on Facebook. Like, that all happened on Facebook. Like, that's the whole thing with a stalker and stuff. was all on Facebook. So I think, like, there's a part of me that's just like, no, I've moved on. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, I don't know why.

Like, Facebook Messenger and stuff, I actually find it all just a bit like, oh, because that's where that all happens. I didn't love that. Yeah, that's fair. And then I also don't think I've got any relevant Facebook friends anymore. Like, I don't think anyone... Oh, no, I don't have friends on there. But I don't use it for that.

What? I use it for groups. Okay. It's like a community tool. Okay. If I'm like, like, I love my Bravo shows. Yeah. But you have me to talk to about those.

No, I need like, I need more than that. I need more than you. I understand that because when I watch a series of anything, I just scour Reddit and I have to know what everyone else is thinking. It's like that. It's like Reddit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, so there's Facebook groups. This is why you don't want to get too famous out because what if they made a Facebook group about us?

They were just horrible about us all the time. Oh, God. Yeah, what if they perceived us as a community? You don't want to be perceived by a community. Oh, that's horrible. It's a risk. It's a risk. Maybe we should quit. Don't ruin Facebook for me. me. But yeah, people say really bad things about Facebook and it definitely hasn't the share of

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Right, we've got some news things I need to talk to you about. We don't have long. I will barrel. Barrel. I will barrel. Sydney Sweeney has been selling her bath water in soap. Okay. I would like your thoughts.

Apropos of that. Bonnie Blue, I'm hearing rumours that it's been shut down, but has plans for a petting zoo. Yeah. where she wants to be chained up in a glass box where 2,000 men can come and do what they want to her. I feel like they're not irrelevant stories, but I would welcome your thoughts on their... Do you think they're connected?

Do you think... What do you think about either of these things? I'm trying to, like, pick my heart up off the floor with the Bonnie Blue stuff, because that's really... It's so sad on both sides that men would go along to that and do stuff. and that she would do it.

Is it feminist in any stretch? Can you wrap your mind around the argument that it's a feminist thing to do at all? I mean, this is the age-old debate, isn't it? And it's like whether something that you find empowering, I mean, people would say that if it's something that she genuinely finds empowering, then yes, it can be feminist.

But I just can't, I can't land there, sorry. I really can't. We are flying this episode. Yeah, no. I know I'm firmly landed on the other side of it's not feminist. Do you think it sets us back? This is what I keep hearing, keep seeing people on the internet saying this is setting women back. Yeah, I just think it's horrific. Yeah. I mean, I can't work it out. I can't work out. Okay, so I feel annoyed that.

We have more, and I understand why, because she's facilitating it. But I feel frustrated that the wrath of everybody is directed at this one woman rather than at these 2,000 men. Like I feel like overwhelmingly we're like, how could she? And I'm like, it's the same with the guys buying the bathwater. It's like, we're more like, ooh, you're selling your bathwater rather than like, oh, you're buying bathwater. Do you know what I mean?

Definitely. You're letting yourself, like, I can't work it out. Yeah, I hear you. And I think, I actually think, not Sydney, Sweeney, I don't know, but then you could argue that they're, no, they're not doing the same thing. No, I was just going to say, you can argue that they're profiting from the male gaze. They both are profiting from the male gaze, as is they're right. Yeah, but Bonnie Blue is doing it in a really, like, very degrading way.

But then is it her right to degrade to herself? Yes. I'm so conflicted by it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it is like, like, right, it's not my idea of a fun afternoon at all. Like, and I, but I don't want to be like, I don't want a kink shamer or whatever. I don't think it's a kink.

I think it's a business. And then I'm like, well, I don't want to shit on your business. But then it's also like, ugh, because it's just. the waters are muddy yeah it's filthy but I mean because then it's you know like it's perpetuating the men can do what they want it's perpetuating the entitlement

yeah male entitlement to women I would honestly look at the internet history of every single man in that queue if I were in charge I'd be like yeah you can come in but I want all your passwords and I'm going to just have a police officer just have a little skim it's the most sad bleak and like depressing thing I've ever heard

and I feel like because we're thinking about it as well in the context of what we already know about Bonnie Blue. How many did men did that? A hundred in a day? A hundred in a day. She gives a thousand? Was it? Fucking, surely not.

She claims to have had sex with 1,057 men in one day. How many minutes are they in a day? 60 times 24. That's a big sum. 1,440. Gosh, they didn't get a minute each. I know they get a minute, they get a bit over a minute. I mean, that's pretty.

assuming that she went for the full 24 hours. Surely she needed time to, like, I don't know. It makes my, like, it's horrible. It's really horrible. I just can't, I can't. It's really horrible. And I think people, I, I can't say, yes, it could be a, a feminine, go on. Sorry, I was just making a face because I just don't believe it.

Do you not? It's not possible. It would hurt. Do you think it would be like, I can't even say it. It's just like, not, well, yeah, like. Don't say not enjoyable because. No, no, like, one thousand. and however many men

just like entered and then left again kind of thing. I think that's what it is. Like a pump and dump. Yeah. Oh, not even that. No, I don't even mean that. Just like went in and out.

The rumour of her. Of her. Oh God. I hate this. It's horrible. When you actually get down to the bones of it, it is revolting and then like in the most degrading sense

of the word, isn't it? It's so degrading. I feel really uncomfortable about it. Yeah, it's horrific. So in 1974, a woman called Marina Abramovich did something similar in that she, like, made herself performance art. And that went really badly. Like, she was really injured by it. So she laid out 72 items on a trestle table and invited the public to use them on her in any way they saw fit.

And in the end, she said she was ready to die. And at the end of six hours, she walked away dripping with blood and tears. I mean, and it's like, oh, my heart. heard mentality thing like people just they they I mean she became like inhuman to them the difference with a thousand men in the day and the petting zoo thing it's like you have an element of control with the thousand men right like you have someone at the door like you're not chained up she's gonna be chained that's what she said yeah so then it's like then you're in any way you're literally making yourself you're caging yourself like yeah it's just

That's so dangerous, and it's dangerous for everything. Oh, God, but then it's like, am I angry with her? You know what? And I know that we always land on the side of like compassion and empathy and understanding people in the context of their environment, but I can't bring myself to do it in this case. I just can't bring myself to that point. I think it's really rotten.

Okay, just to be that one again that tries to pull you back with that, like her mom is involved in this. like her mom is a really big supporter of what she's doing and it's just like you know maybe this is just what she was brought up believing she should do or knowing there could be an element of control you just got no like

to have people within your family because I do feel listening to it it's like if someone I love told me they were going to do this I'd be like at all costs no you're not because it is dangerous so I don't know man it's just like I don't know

I would really be interested to hear what you guys think about this yeah we could talk about it next time yeah because I just I honestly I can't and I this is quite unusual for me but I cannot land anywhere with her

I can't I can't I can't come to a conclusion which normally after like a week I can and it's been months with her and I still can't work it out because I don't understand if we empower sex workers how we can judge

her or criticise her. I don't, I can't quite comfortably do both those things at once. I know. I think it's because this feels so publicity stunty. I know. This doesn't feel like a woman earning a living. No. Profiting off the male gaze in a way that empowers her.

No. It just feels like a huge publicity stunt. I know. And at what cost, you know, with the publicity. Oh, I don't know. This is it. It's so annoying because I just can't land and I can't work it out because it's like then, you know, what message is that sending to younger?

who already feel so much pressure to behave in a sexual nature to look a certain way to do things they might not be comfortable with like you're putting more and more pressure on them in that space for then I don't know hit us up let's hear your thoughts

we'd love to like talk about this further Faye has a thought I was just going to say I think it's worth saying that today on Tuesday when we're recording only fans have deactivated her account oh interesting why because the pettings

zoo, they've said it was extreme and it crossed a line and it's said to have breached their terms. Was she doing it? At the moment it's unclear whether she's going to do it or not. Wow. Well, I think that's a really good move. I mean, if she can't monetise it, then surely not. Yeah.

I think that's a good line in sand. I didn't even know that she was putting it on Onlyfans because it's like that makes it even more profitable and even more fucked up, doesn't it? Yeah. I don't know if this is even worth keeping in this whole segment because we haven't gone any, we haven't landed anywhere on it. But I think it's because it's so complicated. And I actually think it's something we should explore further.

Yeah, I would really welcome anyone's opinions. Also, does anyone guess twice that you guys are thinking of as we're speaking that you'd like to hear us talking to, maybe an only fan's creator or someone in this space, that would be a conversation I think we could definitely do with having. Or a sex worker who's like an advocate for sex workers. Yeah, because we definitely need to work out. We haven't done an episode like that in a long time. Yeah.

And I think, yeah, I just, I can't work. I can't work out. Sydney, Sweeney, I feel quite strongly about that. I'm like, you sell it. You go, girl. Yeah, me too. Me too. If people are stupid enough

to buy your boss and by all means sell it. Oh, goodness me. We've been around the houses. And we haven't got anywhere. No, we're still just standing in the middle of the street going, oh, how should we go into? Yeah, we're just hoversed today.

Thanks for listening, guys. All I did was moaned for the first, like, 20 minutes. And then I couldn't come to a conclusion. I have been a disappointment. I've been like a bad date. I've literally just talked about it. myself and then not been able to close. I feel dissatisfied.

Quite right. And unfulfilled. I didn't pay and I didn't kiss. Guys, we will see you on Monday. Bye. Should I delete that as part of the ACAST creator network?