Should I Delete That? - Just Us: The rise of Reform and GLP-1s - our honest thoughts

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Over the past couple of weeks - we’ve found ourselves in some very noisy places online. So, we’re using today to share some of out thoughts and reflecting on what they mean for society as a whole...First up - we’re talking about Reform and why Em has decided to start speaking about politics online. Then - we'll be discussing the impact of Serena Williams choosing to advertise GLP-1s for weight loss. It feels like a heavy time for humanity at the moment - if you have something you’d like to add to our conversation or if you can share some hope… email us on [e-mail] This episode was recorded on Tuesday 2nd SeptemberFollow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That is produced by Faye LawrenceStudio Manager: Dex RoyVideo Editor: Celia GomezSocial Media Manager: Sarah EnglishMusic: Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, welcome back to Delete That. I'm Alex Light. I'm M Clarkson. M. Clarkson. M. Machos to discuss. We have got a schedule, a tight schedule. We have three topics. I think we've more than three. Oh, shit. Hang on. Let's hear them. Exercise. Slay. Serena Williams. Slay. A reform. Perfect. A trifecta.

Yeah? Let's go. Anything to add? Probably. Okay, 10 minutes each. I don't do it. Why are you caging us? Don't hold this back, Al. You know me. I like a schedule. Let us fly. I like a schedule. I like to fly. I don't want to be trapped. I don't want to be trapped. I don't want to be trapped in the confines of a tight schedule. Do you? It's where I thrive. It makes me want to throw up. It's where I try. If I think about that too much, I just want to die. That was hyperbole. I like to stick to it. It was hyperbole. I enjoyed it nonetheless. You've picked the wrong colleague. I really have. I don't know what on earth you were thinking, but sometimes... I feel like phase on my wavelength because you like, are you? Or do you feel like you have to be like that? But you're not really like that. I like the schedule.

Oh, there she is. That's nice because normally we don't align on stuff, but that's, that's good. Normally phase on my side. That's what you're trying to say. That's what I was going to say, yeah. I sometimes I take, I shoulder a lot of responsibility. Like I feel like when, when I'm like being unorganized and being a nuisance and a menace, I do think like

I'm a minister to society a menace of the podcast I'm like God I'm the worst and then I think you knew what you were getting into and you've the chart you know what I mean like you walk away anytime

I am who I am you've got to let me you know if you love something let it go that's that's me let me fly do I have the permission yeah yeah

let me go excellent do I have to see this episode out or are we good are we free are we just don't don't no you're the master

of your own ship we're jumping in because we've now eating it. We're now eating two minutes. Stop panicking. You've done it. You've got to chill bids. You've got to let time's just a construct. You know what I mean? You just got to let it go. It doesn't even real. Who are you?

I'm just like if we're going down that road, what is time? It doesn't even exist. You know, like one Roman person was like, let's be honest, one Roman man was like 24, 24, let's break it, just divide it. You know, how many slices are you going to cut the pizza into? That's anyone's guess. Yes, but we live in a society that very much. The society sucks. So I'm about to get into it. The society doesn't work. I'm feeling anarchist today.

Time's just a construct and society's broken. Fuck it. Let's go wild. Just we loot. No, I'm kidding. Okay, so let's try and raise our kids without any kind of time. I feel like that's a bit defeatist. You need a can-do attitude.

I think, I just think time is an oddity. It is. But what else do we have? It's our oddity. Yeah, we have no other choice. Fine. Let's go. Dive in.

Sorry, I feel like I've really spun us out. start with. You can, you can choose. There you go. That makes you feel, I'm going to give you an illusion of choice. What would you like? Serena, exercise or reform? Okay, let's start with reform because I feel like exercise and Serena could be connected by a segue if we were feeling that way inclined. Okay. I think we're talking about reform specifically because we're going to talk about the noise. Well, the reason we've, we've chosen these subjects is because we've we've run into some noisy places online we really have I've gone heavy on the reform stuff you are a political commentator now I am yeah and I really like it do you I said to you I think

it's a really good like move sounds calculated I don't mean it like that but I think it's something a politician would do well well I didn't want to say but I think it's a really good move for you well okay thank you top line we're going to talk about reform because we're going to talk about the noise that I've had the sort of political shift that we're doing on I'm doing on Instagram we're going to talk about Serena and the move gLP ones a little bit late but I think it's not irrelevant to talk about the noise that you've had in reaction to that and the current climate yeah third point we'll talk about exercise to round it out because you did a really interesting Instagram story about how you aren't able to exercise within motherhood because

you haven't got the time and you feel that I'm able to yeah and the guilt and the feelings and we ended up having a conversation because I was like, because I get that but from the opposite side where I do exercise and sometimes I get a projection in my DMs. So we're going to talk about exercise, the pressure, the GLP ones and politics. Politics.

Just a light Thursday chat. You did some very brilliant videos about reform. I cannot imagine what your comment section has been like. DMs? DMs are fine. DMs are fine. Which shows me what I need to know, which is that most of this is,

pretty fucking performative and not to dwell too much. I am genuinely getting to a point where like people keep saying, I'm going to be an NPM. Like, first of all, like, thank you. That's incredibly flattering. But let's also not be stupid because there's not a chance in hell with my extensive internet history that I would stand a chance at a campaign of any kind. I also wouldn't want to for a billion reasons.

Imagine being a woman in politics in this climate. Absolutely not. We can get fucked. Also, Jesus, I know the problem because have I got the answers? I don't think so. What I know for certainty is that reform is a absolute disaster of a political idea. And I am so angry to see female safety, and we see it time and time again, women's safety being weaponised by that fucking ass of a man who's up there on stage proclaiming to care about women and girls. when his voting record, his party,

everything he's ever said shows us in 4K that he doesn't give a shit. He will trample over the head of every single woman. If reform get in, I cannot overstate the danger that we are in economically, that we are in societally,

but that we as women will be in. He is showing us it's so easy as an outcry, as an outlier in politics to say all the right things, quote, unquote, to say to point, out all the problems. But the thing with this part, and I could talk about this forever, the thing with the way that the first pass or post system works, the way that it works in the UK is it's, if you are one of the two main parties, you don't get to do that. You can't just point out the

problems because one of you will have been to blame for them. So it's an impossibility. It's very easy for reform to stand on the outside as it is for any other outlier party, of which there are only a few, to say, I would do this better and I would do this better and I would do this better. And you think, okay, with what fucking money? Like, oh yeah, the prison's Well, yes, good point. What are we going to do about it? Well, we haven't really thought about that. But no one pushes them because it's not realistic that it's ever going to get to that.

What are they going to do about the NHS? They're going to sell it all and to their friends, by the way. They're going to completely privatise it and cause billions of people to die and to suffer. But no one pushes them on that because it doesn't matter. So they're getting swept up with this one thing and they've hit a buzz saying, oh, we're doing this because of women and girls and because the asylum seekers are a threat to our safety. They are completely lying with the statistics that they use. Sorry, you've really touched me on something here.

But saying that Afghani men are 20, and I need to fact check myself, but I'm pretty sure he said that Afghan, which is more than he did, by the way, pretty sure that he said that Afghani men are 22 times more likely to sexually assault a woman than a white man, thumbs up from Fay, I knew it. That is not true. I'm right in that he said it. He's not right in what he said. It's completely factually untrue. All the statistics show that perpetrators of domestic abuse of sexual abuse in this country, are much more likely to be white men. The protesters that were protesting in the name of women and girls in the summer of 2024 after the horrendous Southport murder murders of those three young girls, the people that went out and rioted after that, of those arrested, and they were doing that under the guise of women's safety, 40% of them had had domestic abuse charges brought to them or investigations by the police.

These men are violent men, and they are violent to women, they are violent about women, they are violent just by nature and that's what the Reform Party is, it's violent and I think women supporting them need to be very, very careful because we, it's a very scary slope. I could have gone for hours on that

but I feel like I need to wrap up because that was a monologue. Do you think people see through it? I'm becoming increasingly alarmed and this is what I said in the second video that, no, because it's really easy to feel when he is saying, quote on quote,

the right thing, right? Yeah. everybody as far as I understand it wants to stop the boats because the boats are not safe right I want to stop the boats not because I want to stop asylum seekers coming here not because I want people not to feel welcome here or be safe here I want to stop them because it is a fucking terrifying and dangerous journey and I think it is a huge failing of society and humanity that we let people and children risk their lives doing that passage I think the fact that we don't offer safe passage to people who are so fucking desperate, how bad does what you're fleeing have to

be that you would do that? Everybody wants to stop the boats. But when they weaponise the flag and they weaponise whatever and they make up these statistics and they proclaim to care about the things that matter because let's make no illusion, like we're not in a great state here. It's a very easy thing to weaponise all of the injustices that do exist within the society and they are targeting in a very calculated way, young men, young men's in insecurities, young men's anxieties, and they are whipping them up in a very effective way because it's what Donald Trump did. So I think to say here are people, we're better than that, we're not because they weren't, America weren't. He is a poundland Donald Trump, but don't underestimate him.

And I think that's the thing. At the very least, they're pulling the Tory party much further to the right. They're pulling the Labour party further to the right. How much support do they have? Do we have any numbers on this? Not as much as what you'd think, but much more than they've ever had. I want to say it's about 18% which Faye's going to check for me I don't know if it's that high Dex thinks it's at 30% which I'm very scared that he might be right

I thought it was going to be like at least like maximum under 10 now the way that it works in this country means that and I'm sure you know this but a majority is very hard to secure because of the way that it works but it's not the same as in America and it's not the same as like 30%.

That's the big, you know, like, you have to win it in areas. You have to win it via MPs. You have to win it via seats. If you'd have asked me five years ago, would they ever get in? I'd be like, obviously not. I am really alarmed and frightened that we could be in a position where the next election, if they don't win it, they will at very least be coalition with a Tory party.

And that's really scary. Do you think that's a possibility? Yes. shit. The way things are going That's really scary. What's been really alarming to me is yeah, like I've had rape threats and death threats and all that other violent shit but overwhelmingly

I've had, yeah, but I know, but what? What are they saying? Yeah, but what? But we do have to do something about immigration. They really are costing us a fortune. They're not. Asylum seekers are not costing us a fortune. Tax dodgers are costing us a

fortune. There are lots of things in this country that are cost. It is costing us more to send them back than it would be to keep them here, by the way. Sorry, Faye. I'd like to say that Dex is correct. Fuck. They're polling today at 28%. Shit.

It's insane. If you'd have told me 10, I would have been surprised and said that was higher than I thought. It's very... 28%. You can say all that, and I'm quoting on quoting, right? It's nearly one in three of us. Yes. And it's so easy to garner that support when you are on the outside.

because I heard someone interviewing Labour this morning, right? And it's this thing we talk about quite a lot with online. And it's what we do as the left. It's what I know I've been guilty of in the past and something I'm very keen to avoid in the future. We tie each other's shoelaces up to the point that we never get anywhere. And we've always said this. While the left are busy tying up each other shoelaces, the right will storm it. Fascist fascism will prevail.

And that is exactly what's happening. I listen to the BBC who are supposedly impartial, but have always typically been a little bit more left wing, trying to trip up a Labour voter this morning in the sort of under the guise of accountability, a Labour MP, sorry, about the asylum seekers, about the boats, about this rhetoric.

And they are forcing labour into a position where there's nothing that they can say that will satiate everybody's need for something to be done. There is nothing realistic that can be done big enough. So it's very easy for reform to say the only thing we can do is drastic measures. but it's the same as the way that the trans to my mind it's the same as how the trans debate

has been so over amplified by the media as a diversion technique it's you know that trans people make one percent of the less than one percent of the population but it becomes all we talk about asylum seekers are a very small threat to let's say women and girls yes things attacks happen

the attacks are happening as they do with any population of people By men. Men are our problem. Not all men. Not all brown men. Not all white men. Men are the threat to women.

I firmly believe reform are a much bigger threat to women than any asylum seeker are. Do you think that it was inevitable that we were going to kind of follow suit, like following the footsteps of America? Yes. With this jump to the right. Yeah. I also think that fascism and right-wing politics always... comes after a

economic, a tough economic time. I think it was an inevitability after COVID. People are really angry. And it's a very easy thing for somebody bold to stand there and misdirect your anger. Misdirecting anger is the easiest thing in the world to do. And that's all I think is happening.

But I think it's really frightening. And I've never wanted to talk about politics now and now it's all I want to talk about because it's like we, you need to be aware. Like I think, and I just, I'd use, I will let us get off this, but I would think about the prison thing every single time. Nigel Farage stands up and says our prisons are full.

We need to do something about our prisons. Push that forward. What is he going to do? There is no obvious solution. If there was an obvious solution, someone would have done it. And that's the thing. It's so easy from the outside to say, this is bad, that's bad. This is, yeah.

The NHSMS, yes, it fucking is. What are you going to do? But no one expects, because everything, their support is hinging on one thing. thing. So fine, you're going to get here. You're going to send all these terrified people away. You're going to sign a death sentence for however many hundreds of thousands of people. And then what are you going to do? That's not sending him away isn't going to warm up Granny's house this winter. We are still going to be having the same problems. It's not going to do anything to the NHS waiting. The people in front of you in the NHS waiting

list are not asylum seekers. The people causing cuts to your benefit or to your pension are not asylum seekers. That is not where the money, it's not that binary, but they're making it seem like it's the most obvious thing in the world and it isn't. And it just really stresses me out the oversimplification and it's just playing into people's anger and people and people are rightly scared. Everything is expensive and it is really a hard time to be a man and it's a really hard time to be a woman and it's a really hard time to be alive and they are taking advantage of the cost of living crisis and of people's very real fears and anxieties and weaponizing

them into the ugliest way. I am so ashamed to see what people are doing with the flag, with our flag. And it makes me sit. It makes me, every time I see it, I don't much cry. I know. And, you know, like, I'm not saying this from something unpatriotic place before we started recording, like, my granddad fought in World War II. I'm a very proud British person.

But he fought against fascism. Yeah. And I think he'd be spinning in his grave if he thought this was happening here. And I think that's the case for a lot of them. I keep, you know, I still use Facebook because I'm 70 years old. And I've noticed lots of people with their, I think, find these, I see these people in groups. They're not my friends, but I see these people just in random groups here and there. I'm seeing that a lot of people, a lot of reformers

are changing their profile pictures to the flag. I saw this yesterday. I was running and I stood at traffic lights and I saw a lorry and it had adorned all of it. All of it was adorned with the George's flag. And I felt my face just go, I felt myself, you know, I've got no poker face at all. And I saw it and I felt my face just drop because I just thought that looks nothing but threatening and then I saw the girl next to me who is a woman of color and I just watched her shrink and it's like of course you fucking did that is threatening it is threatening all that is and I don't want to say this like oh I've got friends who who I worry for and and we don't need to do it like that there we can say it as simply as other human beings are being

threatened this is what else are you doing if not threatening people with this it's It's so ugly. It just makes me so ashamed of us. God, me too. So. I feel depressed. But you know you're right. Yeah, you're so right.

So yeah, I'm not going to stop doing the politics on that front. I do feel like we just... No, please don't. I love hearing it. And I think it's unusual to see a younger woman. Mm-mm. Do you know why? Talk about it.

Because people are sitting there going, well, it's easy for her in her house and her position of privilege and easy for her to say this because she doesn't have asylum seekers living next door. And it's easy for her because she's never opened up her house to a refugee and it's easy and we do this all the time we do everything we can to invalidate what people are saying you know every time I would ever talk about politics oh you're a champagne socialist oh well you don't know what it's like you don't know I can still have an opinion and we've been very scared to have opinions online because they because yes I can't speak for most of the people I've had a

very privileged life I can't speak to so many issues that are facing everybody I feel and the first time I do feel spurred to do something now is because I think our, like I genuinely think our humanity is at risk. Like I am so ashamed. I think all the time about the fact that I have married somebody who emigrated here and no one's battered a fucking eyelid because he's white. I have two children who have two passports and no one's ever going to say anything because they're white. And that is egregious. And I just think this does, this does affect me because it affects all of us and I think that's why a lot of us

are scared to speak about politics sometimes you think well this doesn't really affect me and I don't know and I'm not sure but of this I am so sure that this is so wrong and I'm just so ashamed of it

you have to keep speaking about it well yeah give me a minute though because like Jesus I know it's a racket it's like you catch your breath between videos hey

it's intense but yeah that's that so fuck Nigel Farage and everybody else thanks Serena Williams Yes, from my comment section to yours Let's go

Great segue Oh my god, it was a rough week Yeah, well It was a really, really rough week Talk us through it Serena Williams Unless I mean Saying this for people who have been living under a rock

Because it's been fucking everywhere Serena will And because it is very big news It's huge She's one of the greatest athletes in the world famously the goat, greatest of all time. And she is promoting a telehealth service called Roe that sell GLP1 injections. And she is promoting GLP1 injections.

She says that she's used them to lose a lot of weight after her children. And also she said that throughout all her time as this tennis star champion, she was never able to lose weight. And she never has been able to, you know, even during that time. at like the peak of athleticism and performance. And GLP-1s have been the only thing that I have allowed her to lose weight. And she is promoting them. And I think it's a really scary turning point for us.

I think we were already like immersed in JLP1 culture. And I think this will have just made it more accessible, more normalized and opened it up for a whole other bunch of people. I'm so scared. Something that I can't stop thinking about. It's like when you say she's promoting it, it's not like she said in an interview, like a sort of cheeky, like,

oh yeah, I'm on the GLP ones. She is like full on photo shoot, injecting into the stomach, into the leg, whatever it is. I can't stop thinking. So many needles. I can't stop thinking about dopesick. And that tea,

I didn't know if you watched it. I don't know if the listeners watched it. It's amazing TV series. I think it was Amazon Prime. Disney. Maybe Disney. One of them. And it had Clint Eastwood and Will

and it was absolutely incredible and it detailed and really showed in harrowing clarity the oxy cotton epidemic as it was and the kind of big farmer over prescriptive really dangerous time that kind of swept America and the effect that it had and I just feel like we're on the precipice of that again and this like no and I never I know like big farmer has been something that big pharmaceutical companies is something that's like sort of a bit of a buzzword since you know a lot of anti-vaxes use it since COVID it's been like sort of you know big farmer um it's a conspiracy and and they're this and they're that and you know we're quite lucky that in a way we're not hugely exposed to that here because we do we are protected

by the NHS and there's a much there's a very different um way of medicating and prescribing here America is very different the wild west yeah it's fully commercial And there's something about this that just, like, sent a chill through me. It's outrageous. It's outrageous to say. It is outrageous. Imagine if you were an alien and you touched down on earth and you saw that. I'd be like, oh, look, more aliens. Yeah. Like, what the fuck?

Well, you did cop shit for talking about it. And I think that's important before we unpack. Because it is outrageous. But I think we need to give full context to her. That was really cool. you went cross-eyed. I didn't think you could do that. Can I see it again? Ah! That's so funny. Which I can't do that. Well, I can only do it by accident because I got a stupid squint. I can I do it if I'm not wearing my glasses and I'm tired? Less endearing then. It's less fun and more like, oh. She's exhausted. Yeah. I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over and over when I said that my issue with this is nothing to do with the fact that

Serena Williams is taking this drug. It's not to do with the fact that anyone is taking this drug. I fully understand why people want to take this drug. The Thor has crossed my mind of taking this drug on more than one occasion. I have thought about it quite seriously. How can you not when we're in this world where like everyone is taking it and it's touted as like the next big thing. It's the new frontier in weight loss. And we're also being sold weight loss constantly. So it's difficult not to think about it. But I cannot talk, you know, my work now on body image. A lot of it revolves around JLP ones because that is a landscape right now. dominating the landscape right now. I cannot talk about JLP ones without a barrage of,

you're so, you're so shame me, you're so negative, you're just judging me for being on JLP ones. And it's pissing me off. Sorry, I need to, I need to be more patient with this, but it's pissing me off because I feel like it's derailing important conversations about what is happening with the world, like what is happening with JLP ones, where are we going, where are we ending up, are we harming people, not just physically, but, like psychologically, mentally, emotionally, these drugs have been proven to not fix a relationship, a disordered relationship with food or body image. If anything, they have been proven to exacerbate them. We need to have this conversation and for people to understand what they're

going into when they just go online and go onto pharmacy.com and order a bucket of a syringe, not a booket, a syringe, a vial of Manjaro. They need to know about this. Like these things need to be regulated. They need to have clinical guidance. I would say that they need psychological guidance as well, some kind of therapy that comes along with taking them. And I think that they can be a brilliant tool and a really important tool in some people's journeys. But the way that we are taking them on mass and taking them to lose weight that arguably we don't need to lose for our health, that's really scary. And something as well that really is bothering me is how linked these are to health, how they're being linked to health. And Serena talked about her health

in relation to losing weight and GLP bonds. And it's like we are society, our culture, our medical systems, they are all centre around this weight normative approach and like thinness equals health. And we can't seem to detach that because, and that is really scary. Because it's not the case. Thinness does not equal health. There is so much more to it. It's so complex and it's so layered and there's so many factors that go into health.

And losing weight does not necessarily improve your health. I'm not talking to everyone. But as a blanket statement. I think also what it's doing culturally to move the dial is something we need to be incredibly aware of because people are very fucking comfortable saying the quiet part out loud now. I mean, we can talk about it because she'd put it on our stories. but Louise Seisman did those stories

which I just thought bloody hell. They were horrible. Well, yeah, they were a bit and I just thought Do you know what, I'm going to read them out. Yeah, I do. I'm going to read them out.

But I just thought that wouldn't have happened a couple of years ago and okay, fine, you know, free to say whatever you want, free to literally do what you want, your account, your body, no biggie. But the way that people are speaking now was just such a surprise. And the normalisation of not eating

even in my circles and in my life if a year ago I'd come in come home or gone out for dinner I haven't eaten all day people would go the fuck is up with that like why didn't you eat breakfast and lunch and two appropriate snacks and now have dinner because we appreciate that that's like how humans live yeah it is so normalised now that people just don't eat and people say like oh well I'm on I'm on the drugs I'm on Zipa so I you know and so then it's like well you're not eating it's kind of weird and it's like that culture yeah we're just we're not eating now is quite insidious and I'm feeling it just in chit-chat do you know what I mean like yeah oh I haven't eaten today I'm like fuck well if you're not eating maybe am I like why have I eaten you don't because it go you go there you just think well you're still alive which is weird because we're always told and you're saying it like it's the most normal thing in the world and I'm not going to question you yeah because it's the drug so I'm not going to go because in the olden days if I'd come in and said I've not eaten today someone would have said something but nowadays

People come in and say it and need and people go, oh yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, well, that's just weird. Sorry, as I'm nodding my head with enthusiasm, my ears are jangling. And the expectation of people to all be thin now, there is less. Because it's weird, because on one hand, these GLP ones have shown that the idea that weight is a personal responsibility and it is entirely within our control is not exactly true. because if it was then everyone would have just lost weight pre-GLP ones they haven't been able to this has come along and allowed them to lose weight so in that case in if you take that into

consideration it should be that we have more compassion for people living in larger bodies because they're like okay it's not necessarily within your control there are other like psychological physiological factors at play however I think it's gone the other way to like well you don't have an excuse now. I really want to ask you about your thoughts about them personally. Because when we first spoke about it, you were like, I couldn't, I couldn't. But are you still having these thoughts? No, I still, I still feel quite strongly on that. I definitely thought about it because it's so tempting to me to get rid of food noise. It's so tempting. It's something that's like dominated my brain for a long time and I hate it. And it's definitely, through all this work I've done,

and so much better the food noise but it's still there especially when I'm not feeling so great mentally definitely that's when it comes back up it's a it's a tool for me to like self manage my mental health and it's not it's like a it's not a hot it's not a helpful tool basically eating eating yeah yeah so the idea that that would eliminate that is enticing to me but I also know that I've I feel that I've worked too hard on my my relationship with food and body image to do that to myself. They're also not a cure for eating disorders. And this is the thing.

The food noise also does come back. When you stop taking it? When you stop taking it. And for a lot of people, it comes back with a vengeance, which makes sense because your body's starving. You are starving. You haven't eaten properly. You haven't sufficiently fueled yourself for so long that you are starving.

And that's our body's very clever way of trying to make. maintain a balance and trying to help us survive, basically. It's like, it's an amazing evolutionary response that we have to losing weight and to not eating is that our body was like panics and tries to make us eat more. And that's what's happening to people, a lot of people, some people that are taking them. The thing that people need to be really aware of and I think it's really interesting as you're saying it. For you, I don't feel like it's your body that is a driver for wanting to take it. But you're hearing a lot, because we're hearing so much noise about it,

It feels like in saying, you know, I want the food noise to go away. It's like they're being advertised to us. And this is what I was saying before about the oxycodone thing, the thing that's scary. It's like they're being advertised as a fix-all thing. It's like, oh, what, so you don't like your thighs, take those and pick. You don't like the food noise, take those and pick. Oh, you want this.

And it's like there's a million reasons why you would take it because somebody's telling you that that's the right thing. Yeah. And it's really frightening how these aren't coming from positions of authoritative. anymore they're coming from athletes they're coming from somebody who's paid who serves to benefit financially if they advertise it to you and that's all it is it's marketing now and that's what starts to alarm me is it's like you know yeah to hear you speak on food noise i've heard other people speak about waste size it doesn't matter what it is the the poll is it's market the marketing is

working and that's really scary because we know that there's not an the advertisers advertising standards agency are the busiest people in the world trying to regulate everything. They are going to fail and they're failing here because who could keep up? And you know what? I actually just want to pull this quote from the Serena Williams interview that she did promoting JLP ones because she said, I'm a very good use case of how you can do everything, eat healthy, work out to the point of of even playing a professional sport and getting to the finals of Wimbledon and US opens and still not to be able to lose weight. And that to me was like not an advert for JLP ones, but like, like a, like a striking, there's like a beacon of truth of like, oh my God, can we not see that?

You're essentially saying that your body isn't supposed to lose weight. That's what all that is, right? It's like you are working out to your maximum capacity, your nutrition and how you are fueling your body is being monitored very, very carefully and you are playing and you're at the top of your sport, you are, it's elite. And yet your body can't lose weight. But so then maybe your body just shouldn't lose weight. Why are we trying to change our bodies? Why are we trying to shrink them? Like, then what's wrong with your body? Exactly how it is. And I just think that, I just, that's the thing. It's like, what is wrong? What is wrong? Right? Is what is wrong. That is, at the bottom, people can say it's for everything and everything and everything. We are so

condition to believe that fatness is wrong, that everything else doesn't matter. But that's how people took that quote. They were like, yeah, it makes sense. And she just needed the GLP ones. It's like, no, maybe she just needed to accept that her body was never supposed to be thin. Maybe a lot of us, like I've accepted, my body's not supposed to be thin. It never was as a kid, even as a kid, like, I'm not supposed to be thin. I'm wide, I'm broad. I carry weight. I'm not supposed to be thin. And maybe that's where I'm supposed to be thin. And maybe that's where I'm supposed to be. Maybe it's not just like, oh, well, she eats too much junk food or she doesn't do enough

exercise. It's like, no, maybe that's where my body is supposed to sit. Yeah. And why can't we respect that? Maybe I don't need to be at war with myself for the end of time. Yeah, yeah. Because that, and I really don't want to shame anyone who's taking them because it is literally your right and your health and your body and not my fucking business. But I just, what, we don't know where they're going, but having had them around for a year

or so now, I can already feel. the panic that gets that sinks in when the novelty wears off because and I just I really worry that we're not being supported in those things because they are lifetime drugs we're seeing the tariffs go up you know they are about to become incredibly expensive with the tariffs in America yeah and it's like that is fucking frightening if you've been on it and you've been stretching yourself to to pay for it because you felt like you needed to and now it's going to go away it's going to be a head fuck and I'm just so worried for those people

and I don't want to be patronising but like it's just I know I know I know I mean the prices of Manjaro have like skyrocketed and people are having to swap to Wagovi which is a different drug at least it acts differently on the brain

but what I find even more terrifying is that yes prices have gone up and they're really expensive and people are making a lot of sacrifices in order to be able to afford them but in 2026 I think the patent. 2028, I think.

Yeah. I can't remember. So Novo Nordisk, who is the pharmaceutical company that own it, semi-glutide, the patent runs out and then eventually, and I think Giles Yo, who came on our podcast in the body image series, I think he said that it was eventually going to become as cheap as paracetamil, basically. Yeah, he did. So who's not going to be on it?

Me. You have a world screaming at you to be thin. Yeah. That you have to be thin. Yeah. And if you're not, then you're, you're worthless, essentially. And then you've got a fix that is a fix, I'm saying this in very commas, that is so easily accessible, it's going to be, I just, I just don't know what it's,

what's going to happen. I tell you what I know, your work has never been more important than it is now. And I know it's really hard and I know you're getting a lot of noise and I know you've got your internal shit. I really know all of that and it's really hard. but people are going to really need what you do. Thanks, yeah. And I have these moments when I did that.

And then so many people after Serena Williams were just like, and people calling me racist as well and saying, where were you when Serena was getting body shamed? And that one I was like, can you DM me? Because I will send you two links to where I was. To post I've done about Serena Williams being body shamed in the past because a lot of my work is around that, is around women being body shamed.

Anyway, I think it was the day after that Serena post I was just like why am I doing this leave me all leave me alone fuck it but now I feel much stronger than that that was just a blip yeah bad day it was bad day at the office I think it's more important

than ever now particularly given as how much and I know we've touched on it and I know you're going to read out Louise Zeissman's story but like the way that things are changing like it is nobody is left unscathed here And I think we actually do need some perspective here because, yes, we can tell ourselves that it's health

and we can tell ourselves this or we can be told that or whatever. We are being marketed to, we are being marketed to an extent. We are being victims of the patriarchy. And I think we can't lose sight of all of that within the decisions that we make. It doesn't mean that GLP ones are the wrong decision. It just means that they are a decision that we need to think about in a much broader sense.

And I think accounts like yours are really important as everybody else, not everybody else, as a lot of people shift the way that they speak, because it is shifting, hugely. Do you know what I was thinking of the day? Because obviously, oh, sorry, we're going on. But the reposts, we've got a repost tab now. And I was like, I'm going to repost with loads of like body confident content

and like, you know, body acceptance, body neutrality. And then I'll say that you can go to it when you need a lift. I can't find it. I can't find any. Honestly, I scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and I think I found like what, and I follow. an amazing feed of people at least who used to talk about this stuff

I'm not saying that people don't it's just really few of far between there's a lot less of it so don't look at my repost tab because I haven't managed to do that I'm loath to read out this story but I think it's important but it's really horrible

it's what you're up against so please brace yourselves so Louisa Zisman Zisman sorry posted a picture of herself in a bikini and some people said that she was skinny. She replied with this. The comments on this holiday bikini pick laughing faces, imagine I went round calling you biscuit eating McDonald's loving lazy people faties. My body is a result

of my lifestyle which is energetic, healthy and mostly clean living. If you got off your asses and stopped shoving shit in your mouths, you wouldn't be as fat and fat wouldn't be normal. Just because the majority of people are overweight does not mean it's healthy. Shocking that when people see a healthy body with a healthy BMI in a healthy weight range, they think it's not normal. and no I'm not sorry for my comments it's true I'm stronger than most of you motherfuckers I can do endless press-ups pull-ups, the lift weights

I can do sit-ups until the cows come home and all you can do is comment that I'm unhealthy when you're craving Gregs at 8am when your lazy ass wakes up so go fuck yourselves the world is a sad place when everyone is normalising being a fat bastard and having your organs surrounded by layers of fat

in capitals obesity is the NHS's biggest cost then you can all moan that you can't get a doctor's or hospital appointment actually makes wonderful I know, it's disgusting, it's actually disgusting, shame on that woman. Yeah. Imagine, imagine all those people, all the people living in bigger bodies. I know.

Like, how disgusting is that? I know. How stigmatizing. It's just so fucking mean. It's just so fucking mean. I just, like, at the end of it, like, I don't want to be, like, whatever, but, like, it just makes me really fucking sad, because it's just like, you get to be alive and you just, sorry, but it's just I just don't understand why we do it

like you just so what someone else is a bit fat so what someone likes eating biscuits so what like do you know how fucking hard it is to just be alive and like be a good mom and a good person and a good friend and do all of these things and then you just you get talked about and too like that

and I just really thought we'd moved on and I thought we lived in a place that was better than this where we just weren't so fucking mean and I just don't understand it I don't know why sorry I'm like definitely my period, but like, why would you just be so fucking mean? Like, it doesn't make any sense. I just don't understand it. It's like, why, you, thinness is not better. Like, you're not better than anyone else because you didn't have a

biscuit this morning. Like, congratulations, you look good in a bikini. Like, what does it they say? If the words that you spoke were written on your skin, would you still be beautiful? No. No, you look like a fucking monster. An absolute monster. I don't know why people have to do that. I don't understand. Like, she could have, she could have, are you okay? Yeah, I'm sad. It's just really fucking sad. It's like, we want this. We just want, well, I want my kids to grow up being scared of being fat.

No, I want them to grow up being scared of being mean. That's a scary thing. And you want them to grow up being comfortable with exactly who they are, no matter what they are. Fy, fuck you are. Fat, thin, whatever. Eat what you fucking want. Live your life.

Louisa could have responded to that, to the skinny shaming comments. Because nobody should be shaming her body, no matter what it looks like. She could have responded to those comments without taking aim at people living in large She didn't take a game. She took a fucking bazooker to them. It's disgusting. I just bang out. I'm just sick of it.

I'm sick of what's happening. I think what you're doing is really important, Alan. I don't think you should stop. And I know it's really hard and I know it's a burden and I know it's really heavy. But it's like, you know, we're growing tiny people who are just going to have all the fucking shit that we had. And I just can't bear it. And like, we just can't do it.

And I just, I just, it makes me really pissed off. Love you. I love you too. It's just really mean, isn't it? So I'm like, I don't expect to cry. It's just like. It's so mean. It's violently mean.

It's violently mean. It's just like, you know, never mind individuals' choices to go on GLPs or whatever. But it's just like, look at what we're doing culturally. Like, look at what this is eliciting. That should be really alarming. I'm very alarmed by the world at the moment. It is alarming. Okay.

Jesus, sorry everyone. We haven't even got on to exercise. We're going to have to say that for next week. Sorry, guys. Yeah. We did not. We, the schedule has gone out the fucking window. I am furious.

I was going to fly away. We did like 25 minutes on two topics each. Sorry. What the hell? Thanks for being with us today, guys. This has been a racket and a raucous. I hit my hormones swap themselves out before next week. No promises.

Thank you for being here. We'll see you on Monday. Should I delete that as part of the ACAS creator network?