Should I Delete That? - Just Us: The rise of SkinnyTok and a *very* embarrassing story

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

Today we’re discussing the various dents in our skulls, the dramatic ways we came earthside and a Danny O’Donoghue jumpscare (trust me… it will make sense eventually) We also dive into the overwhelming rise of SkinnyTok on Instagram and TikTok - a trend which sees influencers and creators sharing weightless tips and tricks - reminiscent of the pro-anorexia content we saw online during our teenage years. We discuss the hashtag being banned, what it means for the way we look at our bodies and how we feel targeted by the algorithms. Is SkinnyTok getting to you? If you want to tell us about it - you can email us on [e-mail]  JOIN US FOR OUR BIGGEST LIVE SHOW EVER! We’re heading to Edinburgh for our biggest live show ever. We’ll be taking over the iconic Usher Hall for one night only on 3rd September. Head to SIDTLive.com for more information and to purchase tickets.Follow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That is produced by Faye LawrenceStudio Manager: Dex RoyVideo Editor: Celia GomezSocial Media Manager: Sarah EnglishMusic: Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to Should I Delete that. I'm M. Clarkson. I'm Alex Light. How are you doing? I'm good. So it looked like I'm crying. No, but a little sniffle gave big like, don't ask, I'm fine, energy. I was in hospital this weekend, but I don't want to talk about it.

PM me. Yeah. DM for Dietz, hon. No, I, obviously, I co-s sleep with Tommy. Not obviously. I go sleep with Tommy and he just a head puts me in the nose all like long. And I honestly think that my nose is coming away from the septum. Actually, I don't really know what the septum is, but it's kind of, you know, the very tip of your nose.

It feels like the tip is coming away. It's really bad. This is giving that time that I thought I had a brain tumor and actually I think the dip in my skull is just from my sunglasses. I do that all the time. Nothing I enjoy more than a spiral. But I made my mum, I went through this whole period two years ago. I was like, I've definitely got a brain tumor. and it was just a dip in my head

where my sunglasses have like called a rivet. It's amazing how soft the scalp is, the scullis though. Well, they're still there and I've not been wearing that many sunglasses

so, but you do you always wear them on your head and we both do. It's a look. Like if I could find a headband that gave me that I actually saw one advertise on Instagram but I didn't buy it.

What a headband that gave you the glasses? It's weird because normally I wear everything I get advertised. You do buy everything, yeah. But yeah, it was like this is this is the headband you've been waiting for, the headband that like looks like sunglasses.

Yeah. But it isn't sunglasses. But I like everything about the sunglasses. Me too. I like the... I always think it looks weird when we're wearing it in the videos, though. It looks so weird. Yeah.

I'm really pleased you flag that. Yeah. It looks really strange. Yeah. Because I had the mon and I was like, I'll take it on. Yeah. It does look a bit weird. Yeah.

It just looks really. We're like, what are you doing? We're obviously in a studio. Inside. Yeah. It's very contrived. Trying really hard. Do you know, I've got my...

Because I was brought out, I was brought into the world by foreseps. And I've got the big forceps marks in my head still. Why did you say I was brought into the world by the foursets? Is that a strange thing to say? It's a fucking strangest thing you've ever said. No, let me make it better. Some people come with a storm for you. Let me make it better.

I was brought earthside by a pair of forceps. Is that better? No. I hate that. It's horrible, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's horrible. I was born with foreseps.

I don't know. I was delivered. But yes. I was delivered by foreseps. Excuse me for using my imagination of it. Apologies. I was delivered by foreseps. I've still got to do giant dents in my head.

So I'm always like, what are these dents? Is it? Foreps, sunglasses or? I've got a big dent and I wasn't delivered by sunglasses. I'm tired. What were you delivered by? I was delivered by hands. Very traumatic emergency cesareeat.

It may have been four steps, actually. Yeah, my poor. like horrible. Super bad. I made an entrance. You know Tommy was born via foreseps? So was Zanthi.

I didn't even know. I didn't even know. Until I read the notes, no. I knew about Zant because she was black and blue. Was she? Yeah, which is weird because she was an elective C-section. And Arlo was an emergency C-section, hands. No forceps.

No forceps. Yeah. Zanthi, elective. It must be their position, right? Yeah, she was. Also, they assumed that my babies would be a similar size. to each other, which would be a fair assumption. They also didn't think Zanthi was going to be that big

because obviously it was so ill. They were wrong. She was big. She was big, she wasn't big big, but she was substantially bigger than what Arlo had been. Because we always thought Ollo was big until she was born and she wasn't big. Yeah, so Ollo was six pound eight and Zanth was seven pound nine. But they were bringing her out through the same hole.

Like the same C-section. Well, the same. Don't say hole. Well, that's horrible. Gap? Gap. No, Gap's worse. I thought you could say gap.

then. Well, no, I'm not going to say gash, but like, wound? What do you want? I don't say wounds. Oh, my God, what do you want me to say? Area. I'm not doing this with you. I'm not doing this with you.

They were brought out of the same cut. Oh, no, I know that's horrible. Woon's the worst. He's left me nowhere to go here. They have nothing. They came up the same place. They came up with, no, but I'm being quite specific. Because when you have multiple C sections, they go along the same scar.

And he didn't go any further. Like, he stayed with, in the parameters of the last one. So they literally had to get her through the same hole. Okay. That's where, and I think she was bigger and she's in, so anyway.

I'm too hot to be squeamish. I know. I think I need to take her to an osteopath because of it. And she's a bit picky. All of my like, NCT friends, they all went to osteopaths with their babies. I think I'm going to take her.

I've been threatening that for a while. I'm actually going to do it. I probably won't, but I will. I'd like to. But apparently it's really, and also that's often where they pick up on tongue ties as well. Yes.

Yeah. But mind you, I feel like. Oh, Zamp does not have a tongue tie. I feel like if they breastfeed okay, they don't. She also, her tongue goes to like, please don't know that's. Like she's absolutely fine.

Look, we haven't even talked about anything we're supposed to be talking about. No, sorry. I have, I have a bad. Okay. We disappointed someone at the weekend and I feel sad about it. It's been on my mind. We went to tricking him on Saturday to watch the rugby. Yeah.

We were insane because we took three children under three. We took three children under two. We took Arlo, Tommy. and Zanth, obviously, what other children would we take? We took our own children. It was a bit chaotic because it was full, it was full, it was hot and there were people, they were just drunk people everywhere.

Anyway, we were a little bit later arriving, did that kind of on purpose because it was like we can't handle the crap, like too many crowds, sat down, we did the first half, and to be fair, kids crushed it, adults, stressed. It was a lot. It was hot, yeah, and obviously like the kids were great, but they're like, they can't see it.

they don't understand the rules so they're like what are we doing here they were just tiny little ants on a pitch to them they couldn't see things they're gonna get it like she she clapped

when someone caught the ball which was a lot so she was great but we were losing it like we had a everyone else clapped he's like he's your son

anyway we did our best and we knew at half time to cut our losses quit while we were ahead it was time to go so we did that but just before the half time whistle

went this man stood up in front of us and he went you guys have done so well we are so impressed you are crushing it and we were like oh my god thank you we're about to disappoint you so much when you get back to your seat in the second half and we've all gone and he thought so highly of us and we let him down i know i've thought about him loads i can't stress enough like it was chaos it was absolute and utter chaos and our three kids were the

only three kids and i say that with certainty the only three of babies yeah it was entire stadium. Zanthi had her ear defenders on. Actually, that bit, that was a bit I was really worried about was the noise and that wasn't really an issue. Yeah, it wasn't as loud as what I thought, but we were at the bottom. I think if we'd been at the top, we'd been way worse, like because of the echoes. Because we were at the bottom, I think that was actually fine, but that was what I read on mum's net was that I had to take ear defenders. Yeah, and she was fine. Yeah. It's just, it was just, it was just. All other kids were five and up, I'd say. Easily. Easily. I'm going to go seven. I'm going to go seven. I'm going to go nine. I'm going to say 25.

it was a lot but it was really fun though I glad we took and I want I really want my kids growing up watching live sport men and women particularly women

but I also want them to know that they have a seat in the stadium and that they can be part of it and it's not like I'm just going to take my son one day or like it's not like I'm going to pursue that for a boy I really like I want to be very proactive in ensuring that the girls grow up

in sporting environments felt so bad for days for our sins he loves life sport more than anything Alex loves rugby too so into the game and I was just like Dave for go I know we did offer to be good lady wives and sit with the kids outside wouldn't have been so bad

because we could have just had ice creams the more I was pushing for it I was like no I'm really pushing for this if we sit with the kids outside we can have an ice cream and you guys can watch the rest of the game that would have been lovely I know but Dave's like no it's okay well come oh you you gent

fine it was very reluctant there and he did kept saying afterwards apparently it's an amazing game oh don't i'm sorry oh bless him the sacrifices they make leaves me they have big wounds through there but i was a look i've taken you to and he was like yeah we've had amazing we've seen amazing game so it's fine it was a half an amazing game yeah it was great fun it was great fun we just disappointed the man next to us bitterly and your husband apparently disappointed men all over the place yeah it was raw before we started recording

before before you said oh I promised you something you promised me something you said that you were listening to the script and I said oh is that the script with Danny O'Donikyu O'Donikyu the one and only who I used to fancy so so so much Of course he fucking did he's a dish more on that than that yeah he is a dish isn't he I haven't seen him for a while but I'm guessing still a dish once a dish always a dish Anyway not true you said I've got no not true yes Steve Correll

wants a dish always a dish No Steve Karel's getting dish year debatable And you said You think he's getting I think he's always

been gorgeous Anyway another time Another podcast another time I want to see I want to see the world Through your eyeballs I want to see Steve Karell through your eyeballs

I want to see what I'm missing But for now But for now You said you've got a story to tell me about Danny O'Donoh Fucking hell What's his name Danny O'Donoghue

And I can't wait Please Right okay I actually I am protected by the certainty that Katja doesn't listen to the podcast and I have a great sense of relief. She definitely doesn't. Because she will absolutely kill me for showing this

because this is her most embarrassing story. New listeners, Cassio is my sister. She is one of the most embarrassing human beings to ever grace the earth and I'm very grateful to know her for that reason. Just as a reminder, she's the one that went flying across the room in front of James Blunt. She's also the one that did a poo on a train

and a blind man's guide dog walked into the loo with her and the door shut, trapping her with the guide dog of separated from the man who owned it. So, Kat is a calamity, a calamity magnet. Okay. This actually, this is just embarrassing by virtue of being who she is.

In, I can't remember the year, but when she was about, I don't know, when she was a teenager, she loved the script. And not like a little bit, not like, oh, the script are a good band. Like, she loved the script. Like, we saw them three times in a year, loved the script. Okay. Right. I think I was living her dream because at the time I was marrying or dating Alex, who obviously was like my Irish boy band. Man.

She had Irish boy band dreams of her own, and they looked exactly like Danny O'Donogneux. She was completely obsessed with him. And then... I get it. Like, yes, you do, but then also times that intensity by way more than it's appropriate. She loved him. And I know it was so cute. And anyway, for her birthday, my mum's friend met him at a work thing, and she curtailed,

a word, curtailed. I wanted to use it seamlessly and I have failed. She cataled him and she basically said, my, my best friend's daughter. Thank you. Well done. She curtailed him and said, my best friends, we edit that out so it sounds seamless. Do not. No. Keep the slot in as well, please. Let me live. I'm enthused by the story. Anyway, she basically curtailed him and said, Danny, my friend's daughter is the biggest fan. Can you do a video? so she, Danny Hedony who did this video for her and it was like,

it was really sweet. It's like, hey, Katia, like, I hear you're a massive fan. Like, lovely to meet you. Happy birthday. It was her birthday. Happy birthday. And to celebrate,

I've got tickets for you and a friend to come watch me and meet us backstage, right? So he was really generous. He was so lovely. We, shit has a hell. We played this video for her at her birthday. For some reason,

I filmed it on a GoPro. So somewhere. I've got this go-phone footage of her finding out. Was it on your head? No, but I was holding it anyway. It looks like it was on my head. Daddy comes on the screen. We put it on the TV.

We put Daddy on the TV. Sorry, how old is she again? Sorry. 13 minutes. Stop it. And he goes, it's an Irish lilt, but he goes, Hey, Katia. And she, as if she has been shot,

screams. And back she gets to the fridge. Sorry, I can't As she burst into tears Oh, stop it! In a way, I've never seen before I've never seen since and wept

To the point that My mother had to apologise For ruining her birthday Because she wouldn't stop crying Oh, Katty! She didn't even get to watch the video Because she was crying so hard We're all her friends there.

No, thankfully, I think it was during school. I think it was a school day. So she didn't have any friends there. Like, but it was us. I think she had one friend there. I think she had one of her friends was there. Alex was there. I was there.

My brother was there. And then sort of like these other government and else were there. Like so our family really was there. I remember Elsa, the little girl who, she was like a niece to me. And she was like maybe three or four. And obviously trying to explain this reaction to a child. And in the GoPro footage, there's just her face staring, like, oh my God, it was wild. And it took us, we had to play the video like four or five times for her to actually be able to watch it because she was crying so much.

So there's my Danny O'Donoghey's story. She's going to kill me because my brother and I bought this up the other day just at dinner, the three of us, and she got really upset. And she was like, don't talk about it. So now she's going to thank me. Oh, no, blasting it out to thousands of people. I am going to have to ask her permission. she shot back against the fridge. She was like,

oh, yeah, honestly, it would, it was like, a tell of the veller, like it was like, like the amateur dramatic society. Like, oh, pleasure. It was a lot.

It was so cute. Oh, I can't. I want to give her a big hug. I know. I crave that for my girls. Like, I'm desperate to have that sort of fan.

I crave that footage. Can you find it? Yeah, I've probably got it on my phone. I was like, not, I can't share it. She will simply die. I'll show you. Yeah. She won't mind.

She will, but I'll show you anyway. I love that. I know. Bless her. Bless her. Okay, yeah, that is quite embarrassing. Yeah, it's a piss. Has she ever met him since?

Yeah, yeah, because he gave her the, that was the present, was the backstage passes. Oh, she was much cooler about that, that she was about the video. I think she had time to really reflect. She just got a shock. She didn't get shot. She wasn't expecting it She got a big shock Oh bless her

Oh my God Why is it so funny It's so cute She did get shocked It's the last thing she was expecting Do you think we can like message Danny Donahue We'll be like

Ask for another one Please can you do a video saying Hi Katia I'm so sorry I frightened you on your 30th Thursday She's over it now That's the thing She's grown up She's matured

She's like, oh, he's not my type anymore. I was like, oh, brutal. I think, I'd say, you know, like, I'd say she's, you know, I think she's probably still got the fondness. Yeah. But she's a bit cool now, isn't she? She is quite cool. She's a bit cool for the, it was kind of a rogue band to be obsessed with.

Like, they were great, but like. Oh, they had a lot of like young girlfriends though, didn't they? Yeah, well, clearly. Because he was so good, like, so dishy. And music was great. I loved her on the voice. I thought it was brilliant. I remember going to it, we had like a school concert thing at the time where,

where for the first time came out. Do you remember that song? It was everywhere. Oh, let go. Please, it made me sing. Sorry. Like, she's all laid up in bed with a broken heart. She's all laid up in bed with a drug.

Can we make Dex sing it? Because he can sing. I don't want to sing. Fake music. I'm just thinking for the first time. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You have me.

You lost me. Bear with. Hang on. I've got it because I've been listening to the script the whole way in. Hang on. It's just a road band to be listening to. I like it, though. I fucking love them.

I like it. Here. I love this one so much. Anyway, when that song came out, everyone, and I'm not even kidding you, we had this thing, four people got up and sung it in the same night. It's like, it's too many people.

Oh my God. It's to do a different song. If the three people in front of you've already done this song, sit, park it, just skip this one. I always think about those songs, like the Christina Perry song. Jar of Hearts? What a fucking anthem was that?

Oh, no, a thousand miles. Another great song. Because, like, that is one of those songs that are just, it will never. Actually, I think we're thinking about, I'm thinking about a different kind of song to what you're talking about. What are you thinking about? Like, those ones that will just, like, they'll be played at every single wedding. Like, they'll be played at least, like, 10 weddings a year, no matter what year we're ever going to be in.

Yeah. You would not want to play for the first time walking down the aisle? No. No. No, no. No, no. She's at the job centre. I thought it was like an edge year and, like, you know, when you're 70, I'll

love you, whatever that song is. Perfect. When they're dancing, yeah. Yeah, when your legs didn't work that you used to like that they were used to before. And like Christina Perry, I would die a thousand times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I have died every day waiting for you. That's an absolute banger. That's the twilight ones. Or like, is it? I need to be left alone for the day to watch all four Twilight films in quick succession. Good for you. No one's going to let me that happen. I can't really support that.

Why? Well, I mean, I can't. Yeah, no, I can support that. That's great. Well, you're going to get the way of my dreams. Don't have to be your dreams. Don't piss on my strawberries. I know, I mean, yeah.

Good franchise. Great franchise. What do you mean you've heard? You've never watched it? You've never watched it. I'm not really watched that many films. I'm not like a girl. No, I've never watched that many films because I can't, I've never been able to concentrate

for long enough. You can sit on your phone. Obviously, I don't sit and just like raw dog them. You know, you just do them while you do other things. I'm not expecting you to sit and watch four films. How boring? You know, you sit with scroll. Speaking of raw dog, oh my God, I have a bad, actually, that I'm going to tell about Tommy

in the hopes that he never hears this. Okay. When he's older. Right, strap it. He'd done a poo. I was changing his nappy. And as I, he's wearing the huggy one, the ones that you pull up now. Pull up.

So you have to break them, like rip them at the side. I was ripping the, the, I'd ripped one side and I was ripping the other side. And as I did that, he reached down, grabbed the nappy. And just as a moment that I let go, he flung it up onto his face. His face? His face. Fine. I thought you were going to say your face.

Not that fine. He's brought that upon himself. My little sisters were there and we all went, so I was like, he's got poo on his face and I don't know what to do. Would you rather, poo on his face or poo on your face? Raw dog, because I had to raw dog the poo. Oh, yeah. No poo bag this time.

It was straight in. I was like, ah! Did it feel like? And he was like, what had just happened? Wait, so the nappy wasn't as well and said it was just the poo. It's just the poo. It's just the poo. It's just the poo.

That's not great. The nappy went somewhere else and just poo just landed. That's very bad. It's very bad. Marginally better than if it had landed on your face. I will stay, I'll die on that hill. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't be here today if I'd landed on my face.

I'd be in the hospital. Like, can you just run some more checks piece? Recovering from shock. It'll be having a facial. Yeah. To get rid of. It probably is a facial in some... Sorry, Tommy, I won't tell another piece stories.

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You want to talk about something serious. Yeah, have we got enough time? Yeah, I welcome a serious conversation for me. Well, my actual bad, I've forgotten about the raw dog in the poo. Horrible word, raw dogs. Yeah, because it sounds like you're putting poo up your bum. Is that what role dog means? Well, raw dog's going in without a condom, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah. So it sounds like it's going in without a condom, you know what I'm saying? Putting poo in some kind of orifice. Well, it just sounds like you're putting anything in that kind of orifice. Do you know what that would be called? Scat play. And that's a tease. for something we learned in next week's episode.

On the week after two weeks, we recently interviewed a woman and we talked about a scat place so you can look forward to that on a Monday. Segway time. We learned a lot. Okay, my bad, my bad. And I was like, do I bring this up?

Because I feel like we have talked about this a lot on the podcast, like particularly in our body image series. But I want to ask if it's just me or if it's you as well because I feel so... Sorry, my voice broke. I'm not crying. It just tickle. I feel so overwhelmed.

by all of the thin content that I'm seeing on Instagram, on TikTok, everywhere. It feels really, really overwhelming and it feels like it's all becoming so normal again. Yeah, yeah, no, you're not in your own. Is it my algorithm? Is it because I, I'm in this bubble, like, well, I mean, I potentially are in the bubble with you. Actually, can we ask you, Faye? I'm getting it as well. Are you?

Majorly, majorly. Dex, do you get it? Not all. No, that's interesting. Yeah, that's really interesting. And I'm interested in that fair because actually you've probably never sort out any kind of content like that.

I don't know, I'm actually just putting words in your mouth there. No, I've never sort it out, but I see it all the time of one girl, one girl in particular. Livshmutt. Livshmitt. Yeah. I've not seen Livshmint.

Maybe I've just not name check. Hang on, let me look. She's a 23-year-old who founded, well, she just gained this big Instagram and TikTok following for she was kind of like one of the pioneers of this like recent skinny talk movement and she talks about yeah she talks about how to say thin basically and being in a calorie deficit and like I found her she launched her subscription only like her Patreon which was called

the Skinny Society she's been banned from TikTok now she keeps opening new accounts and she keeps being banned which is really good but I think she's still she's still alive and kicking on Instagram. So she's banned because it's promoting, they're recognising that it's promoting unhealthy eating habits. Yeah. Which is a good thing. Really good thing. That they are recognising that. Yeah, really good thing. But the fact of the first, she's actually, this is like enough for a proper episode. I feel like maybe at some point we could go into it, but she's actually really fought back publicly against the TikTok ban. Yeah. And a lot of her case is actually like slightly compelling, I hate to say,

because she's got a point when she says that a lot of these people are just showing up, a lot of like celebrities and influences are just showing up very skinny and then saying, here's what I eat in a day, burger, pizza, blah, blah, and she's being honest and she's telling the truth to women. I am not defending her at all. She's a clever, she's a very clever woman and she does make a good case. Instinctively, not knowing a lot about it, I am inclined to, err on the side of like concerned that she is being banned from TikTok.

We talk about it in an episode coming out on Monday with Megan Crab about how we kind of get really perniquity about some things and often we focus on one thing and like another kind of thing catches fire and we just sort of let it burn while we're concentrating on something little. This isn't little. I'm not saying that. But I guess maybe I don't know. like it's an interesting curbing of freedom what I mean is who draws what line with the freedom of speech thing I think is what I mean yeah but they have banned skinny talk which is good it is good it is good and you know I was thinking about this and then the pessimistic side of me is like well it is good that they have banned that hashtag but that is one specific hashtag that they banned like you add an extra N into Skinny Talk and you still still get the same content you put an extra K at the end and then I was like hang on but

I'm saying this, but then at the same time, I'm like calling for platforms to be more responsible and to have better safeguarding. So why am I being so pessimistic and negative about it? Because yes, it is a good thing. I just, I think what I'm pessimistic about is this, it's the general, like cultural. The culture hunger for it. Yeah, yeah. Which is a, and just where we are now with. It feels thinness, yeah. Like, I don't know, the dangers of name checking this stuff, I actually sent you last night, Lisa Rinner, which is a very specific situation. But I sent you a post from Lisa Rinner and her daughter yesterday.

Because she's spoken out about her daughter's anorexia. Yeah, it was on the show, wasn't it? On the show a lot. And then I was quite... Her daughter came on the show as well to talk about it. Yeah, and I was quite shocked by how they're presenting online, given the conversations that I've heard. Because I took a big break from the Housewives,

and then I didn't realize she'd gone and whatever. And then I saw the Instagram and I was like, oh, wow, that's, the content just feels so dangerous. And like, look, this isn't like, when we did the body image series, I talked a lot about how, like, I've done a lot of work with this to recognize it as like a feminist issue. And as a result, I've really kind of like pulled and extrapolated my relationship with my body from it.

And like, I am at a pretty peaceful place with my body. Like, it's not. And I'm really lucky that I don't have like a, like, a, like, history. that's going to mean that I am triggered by this per se. However, it is so fucking relentless that I'm at, like, it's, it's, it's relentless. I cannot sit in good conscience and say, yeah, it's not affecting me. I am so targeted by, um, before and afters. Same.

And like, it felt like for a long time. I mean, obviously you wrote a whole book with that title being like, we don't do that anymore. And now people that I followed, and it is their prerogative. I don't want anyone listening to this, be like, oh yeah, well, fuck you. You shouldn't be doing before and after this. Do what you want. It's your account.

I'm not saying anything, any kind of way about that. But just as a consumer, it's like, oh my God. Like maybe I should be doing this and maybe I should be doing this. And I was trying to explain it to Alex last night, like, because him and I have completely different compositions, body compositions. And we were talking about like calorie deficits and all of this stuff. And I was saying to him, I was like, this is just such bollocks because people are selling this stuff again and again and again. And it's just, it's so annoying because there's one thing that makes people lose weight and

there's one, and, and we've done that and we know that. And yet still people are trying to manipulate and make a million diets and, like, and sell it basically again, you know what I mean? And I was trying to explain it to him and it's so different for him because he just hasn't grown up with this and he isn't exposed to this in the same way that makes it like complicated. For him, it's such a simple thing. It's neutral content. Yes.

And I was trying to explain. it's like no it's I'm being manipulated I know I am but like so loaded for us it's so loaded and like I just had a kid and it's like they know I've just had a kid so they're like let's get her yeah like she's bigger than she was like let's show her how she can get back to what she used to be it I don't know like and I'm trying to be like chilling but it's hard I'm going to talk about the body positivity movement with Megyn Jane Crab on Monday spoiler alert also teaser but what strikes me is like for all of its faults and by God, the body positivity movement had many, many faults.

But for all of its faults, it felt like the overriding thing was like people sort of coming back to their bodies and like being, like inhabiting their bodies again, not distancing themselves from their bodies as if their bodies are just like a collection of like parts and, you know, aesthetic parts, if that's making any sense. And it felt like there was like we were sort of emboldened. there was like joy in being with our bodies. And now it feels like it's gone all the way back to these detached things that are like, like, just, like, are like houses.

But like the houses have to be super, I don't know, I'm not even making any sense. I just, I feel like it's, we're, again, we're just moving away from like trusting our bodies as well. It's like, oh no, now we're going back to like, you should. If you are hungry, you're probably just thirsty. Oh, my God. Like, have a think about that. Someone told me to eat an apple the other day. I was scrolling in TikTok.

And she was like, if you think you're hungry, have an app. And I was like, the fuck. I have never been exposed. And this is not content I sought out as a teenager. I did not do the tumbler stuff. Like this, that was the first time that I was like, what? And then I had a bunch of apples on the table. And I was like, well, I could have an apple.

I could. But I'm actually hungry. Yeah, I really want an apple. And then I ate it enough and I was like, hmm, I wasn't really enough, I'm going to have a sandwich now. Or like count, count, even like counting and obsessing and tracking everything and like, it's just back, isn't it? You know, don't be full, be satisfied, but don't be full. It's just like, yeah, it's just back and it's taking us away from like trusting our bodies and finding joy in them and then like using them for pleasure. Like eating is such a big.

I'm curious because you've been talking more about this online again, how people are responding to you when you do. Do you feel that there's the same engagement, same hunger for it? I can't stop using hunger. Yeah, I actually do, which is surprising. Yeah, which is surprising. Because every time I post about it, I feel like I'm going against the grain. And you know me, I'm a sheep, I don't like that. I think that most women now are feeling how we feel.

They're feeling overwhelmed. They're feeling under so much pressure. Yeah. And they're just feeling bombarded. interestingly I've been posting content recently that I stopped posting for a long time for a long time I felt too thin to have a say in the body confidence movement because I just got told that enough I was like you know what fuck it I'm not going to do this anymore like I that's kind of how I started it on Instagram and it was from a really passionate place within myself

like it was how I it was how I healed my own relationship with my body it was really important to me to show up like that I was really proud to do it and then after a while it just got a bit people just kept commented being like, you can't speak to this because you're not big enough. And I was like, okay, fair enough. Like, fine. And I just sort of was like, okay, I'm not going to do this anymore. Now, I do feel that I am physically, like the content that I want to make is important to me because I feel like I am personally fighting against an algorithm here. Like, I want to do this for me. I want to show up and make this for me because it's a very big part of like how I cope with, you know, being alive. And it's the first time I'm, it's the first time

feel compelled to share it and actually I'm not getting any shit for it and it's quite interesting like I did have won a couple of days ago about um just you know like showing my body and just being like you know whatever that's content that I would have talked myself out of or perhaps not put out for a couple of years because I would have felt like people don't want this they're just going to roll their eyes taking up space yeah and now it's like no I actually really think this is quite valid content like it's so valid and it's quite important and I think I want people to see it and like so having pulled away from that because Because I, to be blunt, have been slightly pushed out of it.

Yeah. I now feel like I want to come back. But you know the frustration, like, I have with that criticism of like, well, you're not thin enough to make, sorry, you're too thin to make content, like body confidence content, is that one of the main, one of the main bits of advice within the body positivity space was like, seek out people that look like you. Yeah. Find people that look like you.

And that's going to make you feel better about your body, which it does. It absolutely does. like finding people that have bodies like me has been game changer but then so what it's like only find people that look like you if you're above a certain size what about the people who have the same body or have similar bodies to you who are the same size as you they need your content yeah well there was one person it's important to you it's important to the people that look like you too yeah i did it for whether you're thin fat or anything in between you know i did a real last couple of years ago before i got pregnant with xanth where i basically tried on all my and you'll remember this i think

because I talked to you a lot about it offline. But I made a real showing me putting on my pre-pregnancy clothes. And I was really proud of it because none of my clothes fit. And like my ribs have grown. Like the stuff isn't going to fit. My boobs are way big. And my ribs are growing. My hips are grown.

They may well go back, but your bones do expand. Like, that's literally how you make a baby. And the comments. And it did really well. People really enjoyed it and related to it. And I was really happy to have made it. Yeah, because it felt really good to say and be like, guys, like, whatever, this is my, this is me. But there was some rhetoric underneath it that was just like, well,

this isn't very relatable for people who haven't had children because it's okay for people to gain weight if they haven't had kids. And I was like, no, I know that, but I can't caveat that. But overwhelmingly, there was sort of this big criticism from one person who then went on to make like content about it, basically saying that I, that I, that I was too small to make this. Like, I should come back and make this in another time when I'm the size, the biggest size or whatever. And it just felt like, that was, that was pretty much the nail in the coffin for me on that content because I was like right well like I just can't do this anymore no it was but it frustrates me so much but now okay so you want anyone who doesn't anyone who's smaller than

you talking to that specific person who has left comments on both of our content quite a lot so anyone that's smaller than you can't is that the deal anyone smaller than you specifically well I think she wants me to caveat it but it's like it was a it was a it was a can't we can't caveat everything and look that real will have helped some people and it won't help others then that content's not for them. No. But I think on that, like the point of bringing that up was to say having stopped it for a long time and genuinely felt like there is no need for me here and there is no need for this content

from me. I'm not saying like the world needs me. What I'm saying is like I felt like no one needed that from me. I actually feel now the response when I do post this stuff is like, thank you, thank you, thank you. And it really feels like people are so desperate for it because we are being really targeted and really affected by the shift, the cultural shift. And I think anything that pushes back against that is like so welcome and so needed.

If you're following this and you're a creator and you've been scared of this kind of content because a lot of people have, it's like keep trying. Make it and we'll push it for you. Yeah, keep making it because it's important. It is really important. And I do think a lot of people just felt like, and we do talk about this a lot in Monday's episode with Megan. And we haven't meant to tease this up as we have, but this is. where we've ended up.

But I think we should maybe look at doing a full skinny talk chat, expose. I really, really want to do a Monday or a Thursday episode. Yeah. And we can research. Or even a two-parter, like a little series. All right, let's have a look at it. It'll end up being a 20-parter. We've said that before.

Oh, we'll just do a little series. Maybe I'll start doing the content as well. Skinny talk? Yes, kidding. I was like, I'm ready for a pivot. You could. I fancy spreading my wings, mixing things up. Yes, Al.

Start making the fucking content. Because that was a part of the reason I stopped as well. It was like all this like stuff of like, oh, well, you still live and I'm so, like, society. Which we do. Which we absolutely do. But yeah, for all of the above reasons that we explain, I think it's still important. It's time to bring that content back. Yeah.

All right, let's go. Let's go. We'll get no. Get our kit off now. Yeah. That would make our next guest incredibly uncomfortable. And X. And X will leave the, leave the job.

I'm sick of you people. The comments were one thing, but the. nudity is a step too far. Fair now. It's not funny that we'll do it on the internet, but then in real life it would be like, well, that's not appropriate. I feel so uncomfortable.

Yeah. Well, if I took my clothes off now. Well, if we both did. I would feel more uncomfortable if you did than if I did. Because I feel like it's been a while. Like, I haven't seen your body on the, on the grid. I know. Well, do it look like now.

Who knows? Well, hopefully we'll find out soon. And I have new tattoos. I would die. Yeah, no, I don't. If you took off all of this and there was just, like an eagle or something on your chest. I had like a secret like sleeve.

I would be so excited. It would be thrilling. Okay. Guys, we will see you on Monday for our chat with Megan Jane. All right, love you guys. See you Monday. Bye. Should I delete that as part of the ACAS creator network?