Should I Delete That? - Just Us: Unsolicited parenting opinions, frightening US politics and cautionary hooliganism

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Today we find out that Em’s cycling era might be over… we know you’re all as hooked on this new passion as Alex! We get a small insight into Alex’s clubbing days and we also discuss the internet’s entitlement to give unsolicited parenting advice.We also discuss Donald Trump’s comments about autism and pregnancy, why Em is feeling slightly more hopeful about our political landscape here in the UK, and why some echo chambers are worth cultivating. Have you got opinions about the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders or The Summer I Turned Pretty? Email us on [e-mail] This episode was recorded on 30th SeptemberFollow us on Instagram:@shouldideletethat@em_clarkson@alexlight_ldnShould I Delete That is produced by Faye LawrenceStudio Manager: Elliott MckayVideo Editor: Celia GomezSocial Media Manager: Sarah EnglishMusic: Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Alex's worst nightmare is now streaming on Prime Video. They've just released a new six-part psychological thriller called The Girlfriend, and it's based on the premise that every story has two sides. It's based on a best-selling novel, and it follows the story of a successful businesswoman called Laura, whose life unravels when her beloved son Daniel brings home a new girlfriend called Cherry. Correct. That is my worst nightmare. Noelle, that's not the nightmare yet.

The nightmare is that all might not be as it seems. Laura senses danger and the line between maternal instinct and paranoia blurs and the whole thing unravels and it's fantastic. But there was one thing I was thinking of the whole time I was watching it and it was of you, Al. Well, quite rightly because as I watched it and I absolutely loved it, but the toxic boy mum in me came bursting out as I tried to grapple with this woman's situation. You know, there was one scene where... I know what you're going to say.

Cherry is kissing Daniel on the sofa and she makes eye contact with the mum who then goes and talks to her friend and she's like, no, she made her contact and her friend's like, no, you're just being paranoid. I feel like that's hell. That is hell because you don't,

the way the show is done is so clever that you just constantly, you don't know who to believe. And I think it depends on who you are in the dynamic, right? For who you're likely to believe. fear that I was cherry. Now, I need to caveat, lightly, cherry light. I stole my husband from his mother when I took him from Dublin and I made him come and live with me in London. I was

the worst. I was, I was every boy mom's worst nightmare. You are my worst nightmare. I am your worst nightmare. There will come a day out. He will have to fly the nest at some point. Oh my God, if he meets a, if he meets a little M. Well, God help him. As long as she doesn't take into another country, that's fine. You can live in the same country, that's okay. You can live in the same city. Yeah? He can live in the same postcode.

You can live next door. He can live next door to me. And so can she or he. They can live next door. And you won't be watching through the windows. No, no, no. Telling all your friends, she was definitely looking at me while they were kissing. I'd like, you know, when you're in hotel rooms and you have connecting doors,

I wouldn't mind one of those. that would be quite nice, or a little underground pathway to get through. But I will knock. I will let them know that I'm coming. I very much look forward to hearing Tommy's recounting of this situation in a good 30 or 40 years from now. He'll be on a sofa, not quite unlike that one, feet up perhaps. Talking to a nice, kind therapist. She just wouldn't let me go.

She built a tunnel onto the house. The next version of this show will just be called The Mother. And there will be no doubt in this new series, there will be no doubt. I am the maniac. Is it paranoia or is it paranoia? We loved this series and we know that you guys will as well. The Girlfriend is streaming now on Prime Video. Hello and welcome back to Should I Delete that. I'm M. Clarkson.

Malik's Light. You what? Mark's Light. I thought he said Malik's Light. Sorry, not enough to it properly for you. Millic Slite. I cycled here today. I have to say this quietly. I don't think I like it. Oh, thank God. I don't think I'll stop. Can we stop talking about it? I don't think I'm going to stop doing it, but I don't think I like it. Talk to me. Why not? Because Because it's stressful. It's so stressful. Yeah, I think you should stop.

I just don't believe that I'm the only... Right, okay, this is my conundrum. Okay. Either it gets easier or everybody else is just really good at acting. Faye, as a cyclist, can you help? I think you need to get off the lime and get on your own bike. It's the limes that are the problem. But do you think, but everyone else that rides a lime...

They're nutters. They're nutters. Right? And I keep thinking maybe I will chill. I, and I am a bit of a safety. My mum always described me as a cautious hooligan. So I love the thrill. I'm going to say, don't put, you're not a safe Susan. Don't put yourself in the same campus. No, at least. Yeah, no, you're right. I am not a safety season. I don't deserve that title. I do wear a helmet, though. So that would be, that would be an example of my cautionary hooliganism. Okay. Like, I will always jump off the thing, but I need to check that it's deep enough first. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not

just going to go like. I wouldn't say that's, I'm just, okay. Like, I'll check, like, good for you. Check, I'm not going to die. Well, yeah, that's it. So it's like, there's, like, I'm not like, one of those, like, completely risk-averse people, but just like, because those people do exist. Do they? Are you kidding? They would not check how deep the thing was before. Actually, a lot of spinal injuries. It's so many, famously. Yeah, yeah, loads. Yeah. I'm like, do you know, there are people who are, like, I've seen them. Ed Jackson, that's what exactly what he did. He dove into a pool. Yeah, because he didn't check. check how deep it was.

And didn't check how deep it was. Yeah. So, you know, these are horrible accidents do happen. So, and then there are these people

who cycle, that's what I mean, the limer's, no helmet, weaving in between cars. I would say they are the, they are the jump off a cliff without checking how deep it is.

Yeah, yeah. So there are, there are great. There's you right on one side and there's them right on the other. Okay. And then there's me in the middle.

Closer probably to them than you, but not firmly in either camp. Either way, I can't work out. if they're just flying by the seat themselves every time and they're like, oh my God, I'm so fucking scared, but I'm going to do it anyway. Or if they have just grown to be really good at it. So I need to keep going to see if I get that skill and confidence

or if I'm just destined to be fucking terrified for the rest of my life. What's wrong with the train? Well, I don't know. It's just good for me. And the air and the world. Like gorgeous pollution. Yeah. Well, actually, the London I did look nice at it.

And big day actually, because I got to Westminster and I, it's a fucking terrifying junction. And there's roadworks. And twice I've had to go the wrong way because I couldn't go the right way because I was too scared. And today I went the right way. Well done. So I do think I must be getting a bit better. I will say, I think you're really brave for doing that. Like, you couldn't pay me.

You couldn't pay me. I did think that because we're supposed to be going to an event later. And I was like, oh, we could lie. And then I was like, will we fuck? Because I'm going to be going with you. No, no way. If you give me your helmet, maybe. Would you?

No, no, no, definitely won't. I'd say that, no, no, no, no, no, with no authority to do so. Yeah, you look after me, you just told me how terrified you are. I am getting better, though, but it is still really scary. But why would it be better not on a line bike? Because surely on a line bike, you've basically got stabilised as long. They're so wide. It's so heavy.

Oh, I see. Apparently, and I know this from the rest of politics, of all the things to learn, that people keep showing up in hospital with, like, really bad leg breaks because they're so heavy when they land on you. And I do keep hearing that. Because like when I've come off my... You need to stop, that's scary. I think I said this on air before,

but like I have cycled a lot. Like before I had kids, I had my road bike. I call them Scotty, because he's a Scotty, because I'm super original. And I cycled, I've done like, I've done five of them now, like 400 mile bike rides across Europe.

Like, I am, I know, I've cycled loads. I've done triathlons. Like, I'm a confident cyclist. And for some reason, I got on it last Tuesday. I wobbled and I fell. You were with a team, right? You were with other people when you were cycling.

Yeah, but I did all the training by myself. Oh, okay. Since I've had kids, it's like, maybe I've been hanging out with you too long. Maybe I've just caught your caution. And I'm just scared. If you break a leg with two kids, imagine hell on earth. I think I'm going to be less likely to break it on my bike than on a line bike. I do think I've just to get the confidence.

I need to build the confidence. Stop for the line bikes. I know, but I need to go and learn. I need to go to the park and learn how to ride my bike again. And I just not have the time. Is Arlo big enough to start learning? Yeah, yeah. She's got a balanced bike.

Oh, yeah. But I feel like we can't teach her together. Like, I feel like we can't learn together. I feel like this is a sort of thing. Mommy has to do on her own. Alex can supervise. No, I think Mommy needs to learn to ride a bike. Okay.

And then I'll come back and teach Arlo how to ride a bike. Yeah, no, I, it's really, I'm annoyed with myself. But I want to stick with it because it is nice. Yeah. And it's quicker. And I get some lovely views. I imagine the sense of accomplishment when you actually arrive here

and you've biked here I get that, I would like that as well Yeah, I know, it just feels like... It would happen to me, but I like, I'd like the sound of that Yeah, I used to talk into work An hour each day there and back An hour there and hour back each day Love that. Isn't that cool?

Yeah, well we had time. Old me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. Could never be me now, but... I used to be that because I couldn't afford the tube. My wages weren't very hard. that I did that. Fuck, I'm old. It was for four podcasts.

So I would listen to the radio. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I'd walk through Hyde Park because I couldn't, yeah, I couldn't get the tube because I couldn't, I was being paid 16 grand a year and trying to live in London.

How often do you listen to podcasts? All the time, hate the sound of my own thoughts. Same, same, all the time. I realized, Dave said to me yesterday, were you ever just, are you ever just not listening to a podcast? And I was like, oh my God, never. But I kind of run out of material.

That's the thing with news You never run out So I listen to news I should I just listen to the daily The news agents And the rest is politics They do one day

Yeah yeah They're just on the news and stuff And then I listen to the radio four Radio four the rest of the time And then sometimes When I think you boring fucker You're only 31 I put some hot hits on

I listen to lowly young Yesterday Someone in the gym told me I was in midlife Either she knows that I'm going to die young Which I don't like Or she really misjudged my age

What happened? I was wearing leopard Yeah Very cool, I thought I was wearing a leopard sports bra Okay And she went Nice bit of leopard for midlife

That is so rude I went Ha ha ha ha ha And that was that That is so rude I don't know I think we may I may have fallen into

I may have myself to blame She'd bought tickets for take that The week before right during our gym class and I told her that I was very jealous because I love to take that okay so I think she might yourself a bit there I think she might have seen me as one of her her own plus one together and got four yeah because our gen z instructor who was born in 98 had never heard of take that okay okay so I found myself on the boomer side of the room going well take that are amazing how do you not they rule the world and the flood and shine

and then I told her that I yeah I read Gary Barley's audio but twice you are you just You just listed the very, not the right. I listed, because I'm young, because I'm so, that should have been, that should have taught her what she needed to know. If I'm listing the flood, that was 2008. Like, she's got to know that that, it's back for good. No, the one where, the one that is all, always is played when the lights go up in a club, never forget where, you know, well, you know, yeah, come.

Well, you know, yeah, is it called never forget, oh, okay. That's not right. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. And never This will be someone else's dream What clubs were you going to?

Well, I was going to clubs When you were just like Inappies fresh out the womb When I went to That makes me sound cool It's not cool I went to horrible clubs Yeah

Sticky ones In Dublin Coppers we used to go to coppers all the time Because that was only That was a nightclub that stayed open latest in Dublin and they always finish to Country Road to take me home. Oh, that's clever. It's lovely.

And now I want to listen to that song loudly. Oh, I started singing Bohemian Rhapsody to Aarlo just while we're on songs. It's a very great song to a child. It's a very strange song to sing. It's so stressful. But I've had to change the words about sort of gun to his head. I put my trigger now he's dead. I've rewritten that a bit.

Wise. Yeah, because it's horrible, actually. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dead. Probably not good for it. trying to avoid dead as a concept for as long as possible yeah hey i was going to ask you um you've been mentioning parenting on instagram recently a little bit yeah yeah yeah how's it go how's it

gone good i think well tell me what i've said so i can think back i don't know you just you've mentioned some bits and bobs just seen you're mentioning um because i mentioned dolly the day and i thought that was a mistake oh really well just said i mentioned something that i did as a parent my dm for full and i thought i'm going to talk about that again i so i mentioned about toddler about bedtimes last night because bedtimes just took up. I was just literally hell on earth. Yeah. Also I get mauled during them because he just like pinches me and like not in a bad way.

He's just he's kind of like, I don't know, sensory. Yeah, sensory. Yeah, I get that. Sticks his fingers at my nose and like pulls at my nose and pulls up my lips. Yeah, he's watched Dave. And now I got a lot of solidarity actually. It made me feel a lot better because I was like, I don't know, I feel. I feel like people just other people just put their kids to bed

to like pop them in the cart and say night night and close the light off and close the door and I'm like what the fuck am I doing wrong but actually it turns out we're all in hell yeah we're all in hell bedtime takes ages I've started taking a single on the podcast thing I've started taking a single air pod to listen to the news when I'm putting zanth down

because otherwise I can't go on my phone obviously that's a good idea but otherwise I just sit there staring at her for an hour and I lose my mind. So painful. Slash fall asleep. So I've started listening to... Does I go down easy?

Not for me. Not last night. Yeah. It's just for Alex. But I mentioned the other day that she's asking me to draw. So she keeps asking me to draw all things. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Which... Cute. Really cute. But they... Do you are as a savage? You're a good drawerer, right? Well, not good enough. Not good enough for Arlo.

And so she keeps asking me to draw things. And I basically, I'm trying to... not teach her to say, I can't. Like, we're trying not to have that as a thing. Well, she says, I can't. I'm like, well, have you heard that? Like, I don't, we don't like that. Like, we'll try.

Okay. Let's try. We're not going to be defeatist from the off. So I mentioned this, and I did say it as a joke. Like, I was like, I just, I can't, like, I don't want to say to her, I can't draw a unicorn because I don't think that's teaching a very good thing. So what I normally do is go, well, I can have a go. I can try.

I can try. And let's see how this goes. and I got a lot of like a lot of nice people and then I've got so many just like and it's actually really important that they see you fail and like you're just creating a really toxic environment I was like oh my God you don't know my kid like I don't you know what I've said one thing

and it's so frustrating it's like I've literally given you nothing you know nothing about Arlo nothing about our dynamic nothing about my parenting and you take this one thing and have a massive go and also if you see someone doing something wrong or that you perceive as wrong as a, like, as a parent, let them do it. Honestly, let them do it.

No. You're not going to have to deal with that kid later on. Like, just leave them to do it. Right, so she'll have some toxic productivity issues. Yeah, oh, my God. Jesus, look at me, I'm a fucking wreck. We're all just doing it on. Oh, no.

Do you know what? I often think, God bless mum influencers. Like, God bless them. God bless them. God bless them. God bless them. Yeah. What?

But also. Hell on. I can't even imagine. I could never. I could imagine having that many opinions. I don't like it when Alex has an opinion on my parenting and he is the only person who's entitled to one. And it's like it's, I can't.

Like, imagine. Thousands of people. Imagine having all those people tell you how to parents. That's it. That's what I was going to talk to you about. I saw a post about a mom who had gone away and she'd left her toddler. Her and her husband had gone away. They're in America.

They've gone away to Greece. for 10 days and left their toddler with her parents. Okay. And she said, we went away for 10 days without our toddler. This is what I learned during that time. And it was really interesting. She, like, bonded with the grandparents, blah, blah, blah. And the comments, well, you can only imagine the comment section.

The trauma that you have given your child by leaving her for 10 days. You have no idea. One woman was like, I just laughed. She was like, my mom left me for seven days when I was two, and I still deal with that trauma. today like I remember it so distinctly I'm like no you don't no you don't you haven't you haven't dealt with that drama that's wild at two years old I doubt you I mean okay whatever I can't I can't argue with her I say this is someone who's literally left Arlo twice and one of those times was to give birth like I am not a leave the child ever like I am velcro in a healthy way

so she says hopefully I don't know I don't like but I have to mind my own fucking business on other people's parenting. Like, I find this all the time. It's like, when I see those things, it's like, I wouldn't do that personally. Like, that's not for me. I have no interest in not being with my kids. Like, I don't go anywhere. If they can't come, I don't go.

It's basically the rule for work, things with anything on my weekends, like, sacrosan, like, leave it alone. When I have friends who do differently, bite your fucking tongue off and say nothing. Yeah. It's not, I find it so weird that. But when it's on the internet, everyone's got a million... But also, what I don't understand about people, what I really don't understand is, like,

if this woman was saying, I'm thinking of going away for 10 days without my toddler, do you have any advice, then I think is a good time, not a good time, whatever. A better time. A reasonable time. To say, that might give her this, that might do this. She has gone away.

She's come back. She's done the 10 days, so she can't take that time back, it's done, it's gone. Why are you saying to her? Your child's ruined. Your child is now, it has PTSD. She'll be dealing with it at 47 years old. complex trauma and like yeah she's fucked yeah yeah I'm like why would you do that yeah why would

you do I just I don't know I don't get it and then people in the comments say she're going I've never left my baby I've not my my baby is four years old and I've never I've not spent one night without her and I'm like good for you yeah like why are you saying that that's what I don't that's what I mean that's what I'm yeah yeah yeah do you want a medal like it's odd isn't it people are just awful I was just like just let the woman live but also they don't do it to the dads like they don't do it to the that does my head. Of course they wouldn't do that. People ask me all the time and I do get why they do it. People say how do you find the time to exercise? Like how do you? And I'm and I, I do understand on a practical level why people

are asking. Particularly when Zamp was like a few minutes, you know, like really young with breastfeeding. I get it from a logistical standpoint that there is a curiosity. But I know a lot of those questions aren't born from curiosity. They're born from judgment. Yeah. And I just think all the time. I'm like, if this is a question that you'd put to Alex. Yeah. not you, sorry, boy Alex. They wouldn't put that to Alex. Fair enough, I'll answer it.

If it's not, if it's a logistical question, you're asking, how do you do it around nap time? How do you do it around breastfeeding? I'm like, I can answer that because that's born from logistics and genuine curiosity and needing help. But otherwise, it's just, you're just being misogynistic. Like, she's got two parents. There's 24 hours in a day.

There's two of us. Shoot me in the face and I take 35 minutes to do my stupid little couch to 5K. Don't know what I mean? And don't go insane in the process. But even if you took two hours to do your whatever, your marathon training. Or 10 days to go to Greece. Not your problem. Not your problem, exactly. It's wild, isn't it?

But you do feel like if you explain a little bit, this is the internet trap, isn't it? But you feel like if you explain a little bit, you got to explain a lot a bit. And you've got to not do that. You've got to be chill. I just felt so sad for this woman because she was like responding to everyone, trying to defend it. And I was like, I bet she feels so bad now. Yeah.

And the post was really interesting. It was just interesting. It was like, oh, like, she's, I don't know, the stuff that she's learned and, like, how the toddler is different and the, you know, stuff that she's picked up. I found it really interesting. In the olden days, people did go, like, village, the village did it. Like, the village would look after, you know, that mom would be go, go make another baby, go away and have a nice time.

She didn't do home alone, like, leave her in the house for 10 days to, like, fend for herself. She was with two grandparents who love her very much. Yeah. Oh, we used to meet my sister all the time. might do that might explain might explain a lot I'm kidding yeah no cat

we used to leave cat behind but that doesn't feel very nice actually thinking about I don't know why we did that oh well wasn't my idea she can take that to her therapist it's so weird isn't it

like yeah I don't know it's so frustrating I feel yeah you wouldn't be a mum influencer though not for all the money I mean apart from the sharing your kids thing which I'm growing increasingly curious as to what's going to happen

with the safeguarding of children me too Apparently we have to be careful with emojis now. Yeah, I told you that. You did, yeah. And then someone messaged me about it. So I put an emoji over my face, saved it, sent it to chat GPT and said, can you remove it? And it said it couldn't.

Okay. So I'm not allowed to do that. So I don't know what the thing the deal is with that. I think what you can do is you can ask chat GPT or you can ask AI, what would this person look like without an emoji. Okay. So I don't know if you can fully remove it, but they're, like, they're just are, I wouldn't now share a frontal photo of my kids with an emoji over their faces just in case. But just advice for anyone who needs it, if you are uploading photos and you want to hide your kids' faces, I'd say I'd still do it from the side or to it, maybe, I don't know. What I've started doing is like, if I put it on stories, I'll draw over the face first, save it down.

There's loads of layers to the image so that it's harder. Yeah, it's crazy. Oh my God. But I keep thinking this even with like walking down the street. Like what is to stop people just taking photos and like... There isn't. That's the scary thing. We're living in really weird times.

That's the scary thing. Maybe we just all have to chill and... Remember when I went to an event, it told me to an event, it was a kids event. And then I just panicked afterwards about the photography. Because I was like, there's just, I don't know. What if they... But then I am, I also appreciate that there's not that much interest in Tommy's face, you know. I guess it's different for you.

No, but it's not, never even mind that. Like, a lot more interest. Yeah, but never mind that. It's more, you know, you're protecting, it's your son's consent. You're protecting his. Yeah. And I just don't like the fact that there's like photos of him out there. No, of course you don't.

I completely respect that. And I, but that's what I mean, I think for, I mean, far be it for me to judge particularly in like what we've just said, I don't think. we should be putting photos of our children on the internet. I don't either. I do feel quite strongly about that. Yeah, private accounts, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, publicly.

Yeah. I just, and I actually, I don't know how much of it. I feel perhaps that a lot of it isn't necessarily from a safeguarding regard in terms of predators. For me, it feels more just a breach of consent. Yeah. I don't know, though. Yeah, I think the safeguarding bits go.

me. Maybe they'll be fine. Maybe they won't care. Like I was looking at the Sikoni Jolies and like they share or a kids. Maybe the kids are going to be fine with it. I don't know. Well, that's, they don't know either. That's the scary thing.

They don't know. The parents don't know yet. The kids don't know yet. They might well grow up asking, why the fuck did you exploit my life like that? Yeah. Yeah. I tried to explain my job to Arlo the other day and I thought, this is ridiculous. I had the thought the other day

that I'm like so scared about his like face getting out there or whatever and then I was like one day he might just have his own Instagram account it might be like open and public and he might just be like selfie and I'll be like

that's crazy well that was a waste of time yeah I saw that I got a message lovely message from the rugby world cup team saying thank you for being involved in the campaign and stuff and then said hopefully we'll see

Arlo and Zanthi in a roses or Ireland shirt one day And I was like, oh, that would be so nice. And then I thought about it for the whole of the day. And I was like, if they're going to be professional rugby players, I can't protect their anonymity anymore. And then I was like, oh, yeah, I won't have to. They'll be adults.

Weird notions, isn't it? What if they're like, Mom, you could have built me a platform? Tough, build on your own. No nepotism here, baby. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, no, I don't know. It's like, I flip between being like, the future is going to be fun.

And then I flip between that, I'm like, everything is on fire. And I'm so scared of the internet. Everything is on fire. I will say that I am grateful that we don't live in America. Oh, fuck yeah. Because it's a circus over there. Can I say... They're living in a circus.

Say something on this. Go on. Because I know a lot of people were following my political, like a lot of the political content I did. And I've been reflecting a lot. Obviously, since we've last talked about politics. Donald Trump came out and said that Tylenol causes autism, if taken by pregnant women. My views on that are in a video that I did on my page, so we don't need to go into all of that again. Other than to say, I have literally got no doubt that that is about controlling female reproduction more and further limiting it.

Like, I don't think it's going to be, this is a big step towards banning things in pregnancy. And I think that is really frightening. I actually having watched the marches a few weeks ago I thought we're fucked like we're going to a reform victory we're in so much trouble here I actually think we are so much more pragmatic and sensible

and I think we're going to be okay do you I actually have to believe that but I do think on balance I don't know enough to have that opinion but I feel like I found a podcast guest for us to talk to go on when you know about him

and I'm hoping you're going to get him booked in to come and basically hopefully give us some hope but that he's a sort of political analyst that I have been very encouraged listening to it. Okay, it'll be so interesting. I don't know. I have to hope that we've just got a little bit more logic here.

I do think that it's quite helpful when they say completely off the wall shit about Tylenol or whatever. And I did think it was important that Westreating our health minister who, again, problematic and you know, not great in lots of ways. But he did say on TV, absolutely do not listen to the president. Yeah.

That is a good thing. It's just so, it is ridiculous. But it's after a lot of bomb licking from Keir Starman, whatever. What should I get everyone has to do because they're dealing with a lunatic and a narcissist. I do think the fact that we've got politicians who are willing to do that gave me some hope, to be honest. Yeah, you're right, actually. We can take comfort in that. Yeah.

And the journalists, the journalists that I'm listening to are very sensible about this stuff. it feels. So I hope that we've just got a little bit more logic. Yeah. And reformer of one policy party and I hope people are going to, you know, we've got three years before another election. I'm saying this for myself as much as anyone else, but I'm hoping it's going to give some hope to people listening. That, you know, they keep, they've got, yeah, they've got an idea on, on migration, but ask them about anything else, they haven't got it. And people do care about other stuff. So, do you think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is what Trump always says. He cares about the cost of it you know that's what the british people that's what the american people wanted

like him for is they the price of the cost of milk the cost of bread and that's why he did well that's what he cites is the reason he did well because he did well economically Farage has got no idea what they'll do about anything else they keep saying we'll send them home we'll tax this we'll do that we'll remove the indefinitely right to remain which again very difficult to do then how does he have so much support It's insane. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is terrifying. But it just indicates that people are just a little bit.

Yeah, they're angry. Yeah. It's better than what I was going to say. My hope is dependent on loads of things and like it depends on Kirstama getting a backbone in it. It depends on the Tory party reassembling themselves and it depends on loads. But I think we are quite far away from there. Also, we don't have guns. So that's great.

I'm fuck. Thank fuck. No guns. Like, I mean, we can't get into Charlie Kirk, but Jesus. Yeah, we can't get into it. Yeah, we haven't got, we can, just not today. But the gut, like, we don't have, I think we're... Jimmy Kimmel?

Yeah, I know. You talked about that? Yeah, but false censorship. And he still isn't being shown on all channels now. I mean, he was reinstated, but until he provides a full apology to Charlie Kirk's family and makes a meaningful contribution to Turning Point USA until he does that, like two networks which make up 25% I think of the viewership

won't show him that's as we're recording this I don't know things might have changed I watched a video which I'll send maybe to Fay or Sarah so we can put it in the show notes or the socials about it was so good and it was this woman reading out what you think

I'm going to ruin the punchline but what you think is she's describing America and she's describing like oh they descended on the capital and then there were these two days of riots and then there was this and then there was that. And the woman is agreeing with her and it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then right at the end, the punchline is she's not describing America. She's describing Germany in the 1930s. Oh, my God. And it was the parallels. Wow. When I was watching it, I was like, like, fuck. Like, it is insane.

It is insane. Yeah. It is insane. It is a circus. Yeah. Like a very dangerous circus. Yeah. And we, oh God.

And we talked about this the day, like you and I about how many of our people. people that we're following. And I know we don't want to live in an echo chamber, but like I was going through the turning point in Instagram and seeing like my friend's husband's liking posts and stuff. I was like, well, that's going to be a swift unfollow from me and have a nice life.

But there are some echo chambers I will cultivate and my friendship groups will be one of them. But it's wild. I feel like you can keep your eye on what's going on on those Instagram accounts without showing your support. I feel like a follow is a show of support. A follow I can understand. Yeah, a like.

Unless it's you dumb. Oh my God on that. Sorry. Do you know how many times I keep reposting things on Instagram by accident? Oh, I know. Same. It's not good. I actually thought to myself, I need to check why I've reposed it. I think I've reposed some really problematic stuff. Because it's so easy to do. I go to look at the comments section to scroll through the 256 unhinged comments of people debating about things that don't matter. And yeah, there I am. We, I've retoed some really dodgy stuff. Because it's normally when I'm looking at the contentious comments, which means it's a contentious post. It's so, it's so easy to do. I was thinking I need to keep an eye on my repost section. It's really, this will be our undoing. Because I've famously liked things in the past.

You haven't even, and left comments. Unlikable things. Half, half, worded comment. Oh, God. I mean, maybe I don't trust his own. I mean, a bit of coincidence that he's liked every single one. And followed them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But still, it is weird. Wild. Yeah. Wild. Well, studio. Yeah, well, I feel like we need to do these justice. I know this isn't a political podcast, but fun. I know, I know, and notes and have like, you need to do them properly. I have a thought, though. Like, you know, we're living in like a remote, like, I don't know about you. I do know about you, because, you know, you're one of those friends. We're protecting our peace a little bit, right? We've got quite good boundaries with our work and like, that kind of thing.

You don't get to do that if you're a political journalist. They do not protect their peace. They must have shocking boundaries. Do you think? They work, the people, the newsagents, John Soapel's, Emily Maitl, and Lewis Goodall, are recording that episode every day. And I just keep thinking, you're your husband's all right, and wives. They must do it late at night, right?

All the time. They've got to follow the party conferences, so they're all over the country, their foreign correspondents. I mean, we do not know the meaning of hard work, clearly. Like, they are, and not only are they doing the job, because obviously, you know, among that there's the producers and there's so many of the people that do that job,

they have to know everything. Yeah. They must never know a moment's peace in their lives. They've got to be across the news of every country all the time. I don't... Any kind of job in politics really frightens me. Yeah. It sounds awful.

Awful. So stressful. I can't imagine having to know that much. It's insane. No. I keep worrying about them. Before we go. Yeah.

I am saying this on air. So you have to do it. I'm holding you to account here. What? You have to watch Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. Oh, fine. So we can talk about it. Okay.

You have to. Okay. You have to. It's like, when? I have to learn to ride a bike. I've got to feed my kids. I've got to learn how to draw a unicorn. I've got to do this job.

Protect my peace. This should be number one top of your list. Fine. Because there is so much to talk about. Okay. One just us won't do it justice, but I'd like to give a go. We want to do a whole just us episode. So everybody.

needs to go and watch it together. You've got a week or so. So many people have watched it. Yeah, okay, fine. It's mental. Not I. I'm watching The Summer I Turn Pretty with my husband, who loves it the most. It's terrible.

I can do a whole episode on that. Have you guys watched that? Have you watched that? I mean, I tried to watch a bit and it was quite stressful. No. Guys, it's... It's... I never saw the O.C.

It's terrible. Obviously, brilliant, but terrible. I was walking down the street behind a load of preteens pushing my double buggy the other day, and they were talking about it. Team Jeremiah, team comrade. And I was like, guys, I've got thoughts. But they didn't want to know me

because I'm famously in midlife. I'm going to watch that. You're going to watch Cowboys. We're going to come back for a pop culture episode. Yeah, two. Sorry, I need a whole one for Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. Okay. You'll see why when you start watching it, promise you.

Okay. It's a lot. Okay. I do not need a whole episode for summer I turn pretty. Okay, so I'll just do half an episode. Okay, fine. Five ten minutes. Okay.

Homework. We've got homework. Right. Excellent. Guys, we will see you on Monday. Love you. Bye. Should I delete that as part of the ACAS creator network?

My name is Ryan. This is my best friend, Tony, and we host the Tony and Ryan podcast. And despite being from Australia, people ride across Canada listen every single day. Jared's in Alberta. How did you discover the podcast? Someone was just like, oh my God, you need to check out. These two from Australia, and I was hooked right away. I was like, oh my God, I was pissing myself laughing in my truck.

and like it just got worse than that. Oh, well, but it's good. In a good way. It gets worse with how good it is and that's just the beauty of friendship. Tony and Ryan, every day.